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Title: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 22, 2019, 11:21:19 PM
Hello,

I wanted to get some insight about how to answer this question about travelling alone.

I met a Russian lady online and she is still married unhappily as well as her husband.  The marriage relationship is non existent.  They just never pursued divorce paperwork.
Along with that he is abusive mentally and physically.

We video chat daily and sometimes i can hear him yelling at her, calling her names and degrading her while we are talking.
He has multiple women, even brought them home and tells her not to leave the room.  Its a horrible situation and he is aware about me.

Her and I became very close and always talk about being together. I am in California.  We have lots of feelings invested and discussed so many things.

She applied for a tourist visa and her interview is within a couple days.

We know the question will arise if your travelling alone.

She is travelling alone and they will wonder why without the husband I assume.

She doesent know how the best way to answer this question and doesent want to ruin the chances on this question.

Does anyone have any suggestions they can help with?

I appreciate any help.

Thank you
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2019, 03:04:44 AM
Welcome to the forum, Mandalay

Sorry, cannot help - as not a US citizen and no expertise of visa interviews


The situation seems bizarre - in that the stereotypical control freak I see in the cinema would not entertain 'his lady' taking to another man ...  whilst 'entertaining '

I  have a question for you ... Has she ever hinted at the help you sending her money would be ?


Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 23, 2019, 05:17:51 AM
Thanks for the reply.  Nothing about money or hinting about needing money.  She does have the stereotypical guy unfortunately.  She cant do much about the abuse other than just going through a divorce through the court system.

Laws have changed i have read the police do not involve themselves in domestic disputes. A husband can bruise the wife and only get 15 days in jail or fined.  Often the agressor makes her pay for it as well. 

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BC on January 23, 2019, 06:02:42 AM
If she is applying for a tourist visa, she should know what attractions she will visit.

Is she an artist?  Always dreamed of visiting a museum .... and be able to give a few names and talk up artsy stuff.
Does she have some hobby? There is an exhibit I really, really want to see... and show the advertisement
Is there some business interest?  Conventions are always good...  Visiting suppliers of equipment for demos etc.

Bottom line, she has to have a good reason for the visit, along with the funds available to support the trip. Bank statements, credit card statements etc..  Tourist medical insurance plan is also good.

And finally, a compelling reason to return - family, job, home etc

Part of an organized group tour?  That's ok too.

No job, no money, weak itinerary and few reasons to return - all red flags.

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BdHvA on January 23, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
Manadaly, In your situation I would take a long hard look at what you are doing. If you can not see your own red flags get a second opinion from a trustworthy friend who will not sugar coat his thinking.

From what I read you are suffering from 'white knight syndrome'. While the woman's situation is not pretty, you are thinking that you can save this woman from her terrible fate. For a woman or man in the fSU it is relatively easy to obtain a divorce. If you want a fixer upper there plenty closer to home.

I will assume you have not sent her any money nor has she asked for any money. A question not asked are there any children involved?

What I would do if possible is meet in a neutral European country. For a Russian, Greece is a relatively easy country to obtain a Schengen visa. See if there is more than the dynamics of the abuser tying you together. To me the idea to come to America first is almost weird. If she is rejected the first time it become MUCH more difficult a second time to obtain an American visa.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2019, 08:32:09 AM
BdHvA

1/ I mentioned the sending money issue, already - the OP has responded

2/ CYPRUS is even easier for RU nationals as they get a Provisional Visa decision in minutes and fly ..

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 23, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
Hello,<snip>

Holy Smokes!

Tell her to tell the consulate the truth. Here's a good example:

" I'd like to visit California because I told a man I do not know that I have a pretty f@Ck#d up marriage and my husband abusing me in every possible ways. Every time we talked since we met online, I pumped him up with all my sad stories to get to the point he now feels guilt and obligation to rescue me off my misery. I know he should be minding his own business, but I think he's a very lonely man in his town, so I would at least like to bring cheers into his life and give him an opportunity to romance and have plenty of sex with a married woman. Maybe have sex 3 times a day, or even more. I'd like to love him long time for being my prince. I tell him , I kiss you, Jimmy! every time....

Besides, if he came to see me in Russia, he would have to move here to make that trip mean anything with significance. He'd need to go back again and we'll be where we're at today. Which is why we thought that if I came to him in sunny California instead, we can shack-up as much as we'd like then when it's time for me to go back - what is it, 3 months? - I'd have the option of staying here and ditching my visa and we can live happily in shadows forever. Hopefully, the next president will be Democrats and they love illegal aliens.

Of course, unless he starts beating me up, too, then I would have to look for a man maybe in Spain who'd feel sorry for me. I wouldn't mind starting over again.
"

That should work, I think.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 10:51:54 AM
Hey GQ, quit trying to shed realism on these romantic stories !!  :-))

If you succeed in waking this guy up . . . then you will also ruin a potentially great soap opera series.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: jone on January 23, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
Thanks for the reply.  Nothing about money or hinting about needing money.  She does have the stereotypical guy unfortunately.  She cant do much about the abuse other than just going through a divorce through the court system.

Laws have changed i have read the police do not involve themselves in domestic disputes. A husband can bruise the wife and only get 15 days in jail or fined.  Often the agressor makes her pay for it as well.

Please,

Disregard the response from GQBlues.   

The simple fact is that she can say she is visiting friends/relatives.  Can even give your name.   The visa will be evaluated based on her likelihood to return.   So the following should be in evidence:

1.  She should have family to return to.   If the visa desk knows that she is married then she will return to her husband.  (I know that she is attempting to leave her husband, but visa services would be more impressed if she had a husband to return to.)  Are there children involved?

2.  She should have sufficient funds.   Make sure she takes evidence of money in the bank.   

3.  She should also be able to point to a job that she needs to return to or she will lose out.

There are professionals in Russia who specialize in telling visa applicants what to say to have the greatest likelihood of receiving a visa.   Some of my friends have used these people with great success.

The one kernel you should be able to take from GQ's diatribe is that you need to realize that she is running away from something, not running to you.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 10:54:33 AM
Manadaly, In your situation I would take a long hard look at what you are doing. If you can not see your own red flags get a second opinion from a trustworthy friend who will not sugar coat his thinking.

From what I read you are suffering from 'white knight syndrome'. While the woman's situation is not pretty, you are thinking that you can save this woman from her terrible fate. For a woman or man in the fSU it is relatively easy to obtain a divorce. If you want a fixer upper there plenty closer to home.

I will assume you have not sent her any money nor has she asked for any money. A question not asked are there any children involved?

What I would do if possible is meet in a neutral European country. For a Russian, Greece is a relatively easy country to obtain a Schengen visa. See if there is more than the dynamics of the abuser tying you together. To me the idea to come to America first is almost weird. If she is rejected the first time it become MUCH more difficult a second time to obtain an American visa.


Everything is well said.

But if you succeed in stopping this guy . . . then you will also ruin a potentially great soap opera series.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GenMish on January 23, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
A first time poster asking such a question? Is that a troll trying to get men to help another man get advice on how to cheat on her husband and make regulars look like hypocrites? (the subject has been coming up lately)

If a troll, I like GQs response.

If Mandalay is real, do yourself a favour and please DO NOT mess with a married woman
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Please,

Disregard the response from GQBlues.   

The simple fact is that she can say she is visiting friends/relatives.  Can even give your name.   The visa will be evaluated based on her likelihood to return.   So the following should be in evidence:

1.  She should have family to return to.   If the visa desk knows that she is married then she will return to her husband.  (I know that she is attempting to leave her husband, but visa services would be more impressed if she had a husband to return to.)  Are there children involved?

2.  She should have sufficient funds.   Make sure she takes evidence of money in the bank.   

3.  She should also be able to point to a job that she needs to return to or she will lose out.

There are professionals in Russia who specialize in telling visa applicants what to say to have the greatest likelihood of receiving a visa.   Some of my friends have used these people with great success.

The one kernel you should be able to take from GQ's diatribe is that you need to realize that she is running away from something, not running to you.

Thanks Jon.
You are using logic to help insure that my potential Soap Opera series may see the light of day.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
He has multiple women, even brought them home and tells her not to leave the room. 

This is a great tactic to achieve a ménage à trois.

The wife serves as the third person, which saves trouble of having to find another.

This husband could provide some valuable lessons here.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: jone on January 23, 2019, 11:06:04 AM
ML,

Some of the best contributors to the forum over the years have started out in a train wreck.  Your soap opera could be letting this guy sort it out, winding up with about $25,000 less in his pocket, and then moving forward.

Who is to say that when this guy figures out that she's not in love with him, he'll wind up with a Russian woman that could actually be his love?   Batman went through a bunch of sh&t before he found his love.

But the question does remain about what is the most likely chance to get a visa to the US.  I attempted to answer that question without getting into the absurdity of the relationship.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 23, 2019, 11:12:15 AM
ML,

Some of the best contributors to the forum over the years have started out in a train wreck.  Your soap opera could be letting this guy sort it out, winding up with about $25,000 less in his pocket, and then moving forward.

Who is to say that when this guy figures out that she's not in love with him, he'll wind up with a Russian woman that could actually be his love?   Batman went through a bunch of sh&t before he found his love.

But the question does remain about what is the most likely chance to get a visa to the US.  I attempted to answer that question without getting into the absurdity of the relationship.

Jon, yes I know you were trying to be helpful.  And good for you.
But I can't resist sometimes.

However, now that I am re-reading your above comments . . . wouldn't it be best if we could help such guys avoid wasting money and time . . . rather than condemning them to learn the hard and costly way?

i.e.  Don't give them advice on how to get the train wreck started.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 23, 2019, 11:31:02 AM
Seriously folks...

Even if one makes an assumption that all that was written/stated to be true, where/how exactly does it help the woman alleviate her *life's misery* by *legally* obtaining a *tourist visa* knowing full well she'll need to return back to her miserable life and husband after 90 days. Think, think, think...hhmm?

"Instead, I come to you, Jimmy! Kiss, kiss..."

Big brother or not, one never knows when, how or whom those probing eyes are looking at to spot a proverbial accessory to a crime waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 23, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
Thanks Jone for the answer.  I assumed her still being married will show about home ties.

I am a bit surprised about the jacked up responses I have gotten.  Honestly its my first post here I just registered. I guess it comes with the territory.

 I have corresponded to different women on one of the more reputable websites before choosing her.

Not many have a perfect life. I dont have a perfect life and just fed up with western females for my own reasons and what I have been through. Yes good ones exist in all countries as well as bad ones, our culture here in America has changed so much when it comes to men and women.

I have read about many red flags for sometime and bs and scammers on these sites of foreign women. Read through many things regarding a visa.

I chose to talk to her from the site. We text and video  She knows I am not wealthy.  She was on the site to hopefully find a better person in her life and being in the usa did not matter to her.  It couldnt of been any other country to her.

Her Ex she calls him has lived with other women and comes to her place to use from time to time.  I have heard first hand how he speaks and yells and demands.  This dude sits on his computer to play online games and tells her to wash his dishes or tells her to buy him food with her money otherwise he gets pissed.  He degrades her and laughs in the background.

I even seen him throw a jacket at her face when we were talking one night.  Everytime he is there it starts with him saying he hopes she stays miserable.

Im sure many Americans go through domestic bs as well.  It doesent mean she is a scammer or whatever.  She is kind like myself and we both relate about the struggles we have in life.

This has nothing to do with sex and just shacking up with a foreign chick.  People can do this in their own city or town etc.  I dont have any need for it and not into meaningless sex.

Im a bit off the subject here about the visa because describing some of the situation.

Really was looking for the best answer showing yes she has a husband even though neither of them want to be with each other. She is just something that is abused.

Question such as.. Example,  why isnt your husband going?
Answer:  Could not get time off work..
Question:  why not wait until he has time off??
She wants to travel with a female friend but i dont even know
If that even helps if friend has no Visa yet.   


She already has an itenary, for Hollywood LA travel
Hotel to stay at.
Which month she wants to travel for example March.
Home ties, documents, employer document etc..

I know we cant predict what they ask but I feel its a normal question..  just trying to make the best of the situation and answer since after tomorrow she has the Interview.

We want to meet in person for the first time it has gotten this far already and was just looking for help regarding the question.

Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: DaveNY on January 23, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
Spouses traveling separately isn't unusual. Spouses may not be able to get time off together is a common reason for it happening. It could also be that spouses can't agree on a common destination so are traveling separately. It could also be a trial separation. There are any number of reasons for separate travel of spouses.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 23, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
Thanks Jone for the answer.  I assumed her still being married will show about home ties.

I am a bit surprised about the jacked up responses I have gotten.  Honestly its my first post here I just registered. I guess it comes with the territory.

 I have corresponded to different women on one of the more reputable websites before choosing her...

It wasn't jacked up. The situation you find yourself in, is. A married woman who listed herself in an agency for international marriage (did I get this part right?). If she gets the visa, came, then have to leave...what's the next move? If what you say that her hubby is as  much a scab as a Democrat, do you honestly believe he'll sign divorce papers that easily knowing she's hooking up with an American? What's her 'mama' going to do left in Russia with the dude if she ever arrived to you?

As for the interview, especially for a tourist visa, that is SOLELY in the consular officer's discretion relative to the applicant. They have a general template they follow with choice deviation according to specific cases.

I have NEVER seen or heard from Russians I know, have come to know, knew about - from my in-laws, relatives, to friends and associates of my wife - that had been turned down for a tourist visa since I've met my wife over 10 years ago. The past decade, we've hosted over 50 Russians of all ages who acquired tourist visas and not one of them suffered a rejection from the first time they applied. The majority of that group are my wife's friends and ex-classmates. In their 20s-30s single mostly females...some single, most married.

The 2 dollar question is - why not man-up and YOU go to see her instead if a temporary hook-up is all you two are after? If it ain't about 'sex', then I dunno what the hook-up will be for? C'mon, this may be the MOB-based site, but we ain't all missing a marble.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 23, 2019, 05:45:33 PM
...

Not many have a perfect life. I dont have a perfect life and just fed up with western females for my own reasons and what I have been through. Yes good ones exist in all countries as well as bad ones, our culture here in America has changed so much when it comes to men and women.

...

I chose to talk to her from the site. We text and video  She knows I am not wealthy.  She was on the site to hopefully find a better person in her life and being in the usa did not matter to her.  It couldnt of been any other country to her.

...

This has nothing to do with sex and just shacking up with a foreign chick.  People can do this in their own city or town etc.  I dont have any need for it and not into meaningless sex.


Mandalay,

Be honest with yourself.  If she wasn't so attractive you wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole.  I mean, if she was dumpy or less than average looking you would see what a f'd up situation this is.

She looks like the attractive women you sometimes see who don't give you a second glance, but this woman, this attractive woman... you can be her hero and she will stay with you and be all yours.  For once a nice guy can get the hot girl...

So, with a messed up shite show that reality show producers drool over you are determined to get involved and maybe land a timid wife with low or no self-confidence and very little self-worth.  But she's pretty...

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: jone on January 23, 2019, 06:02:36 PM
Just curious, you say all of these things he said in conversation while you were online with her.   Does he speak English to her?  Do you understand Russian?   Or is this her interpretation for you?

You could certainly make this easy for you to figure out if there is a match by getting on a plane and going to Russia (a helluva lot easier than her trying to get to the US).
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 23, 2019, 08:00:18 PM

Thanks BC and DaveNy for the reply it helps.   

As far as beauty, sure she is beautiful to me.  I am a handsome guy with average body.  I did not purposely pick this lady because I really wanted to he a white knight.

I understand females can act very well and be fake and tell you things that you want to hear.  I just didnt pick any random woman based on nothing.  I had to correspond by letters ask many questions and see if we have anything in common.

I dont base it all on appearance.  She caught my eye and I started writing then texting and so forth.  We talk constantly and we get along very well so a visit is the plan to see how we are face to face.

As far as the the other guy, yes he shouts in Russian.  She interprets to me and I can tell its screwed up.  We talk about all kinds of things.  Its not like she calls and says poor me poor me and thats all its about. 

She is kind and humble.  She told me from the beggining about her situation.  I still wanted to find out about her personality and interests etc.

This isnt about manning up.  The situation is what it is. 
Not a hook up sex thing.  Im not a troll. I  had question and searched for a forum where I could maybe get help on a certain question scenario. 

I gave the situation to let others understand part of the scenario so she can have a better idea on how to best answer the question.

Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 23, 2019, 08:09:06 PM
Mandalay,

Good luck with your situation.  This place is more of an advice/trip experience/relationship experience sharing...um...place.

If you can, please keep us updated, whether she gets her visa and visits you or you make your way over there to see her, or something else.

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: krimster2 on January 23, 2019, 08:25:43 PM
"Mandalay"

dude, you've got "IT" bad...
I feel sorry for what's about to happen to you...

(loud finger snap!) snap out of it man!!!

pretty much any story to the embassy is fine, husband's in wheel chair, can't travel, etc, but she has ticket, blah, blah, blah

you should do some splainin'  to us about WHY she is coming to you and not the other way around
or meet somewhere else like Ukraine, Turkey
how did it come to her coming to see you
you need to establish this in the plot early on...
and explain it to the reader


you got your place all tidied up, eh?
did you think about that????
instead of cleanin you coulda flown to Istanbul or Odessa...
now you have to wear a Mr Clean outfit!!!

next time y'all got an important decision to make regarding a Russian Woman , you ask your Uncle Krimster first, OK?
he will steer you the smart way, and NOT the way Russian woman says, OK? Russian woman way is smart for HER, but NOT smart for you...
you better learn at LEAST this part, don't AUTOMATICALLY do what she manipulates you into doing...
make your own decisions...

did you think what happens if there is no chemistry between you two or it just doesn't work for some reason
now you have a house guest you may no longer be so keen on
all the more reason for YOU to be over THERE, for YOU to be the one gets to travel instead of running a B&B for her

you're already starting out all wrong with her...
each mistake lessens your chances...




Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 23, 2019, 08:49:50 PM

For sure I will give an update positive or negative.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BdHvA on January 24, 2019, 12:11:17 AM
Some good advice is given upthread.

What you have not answered is there a child involved on her side?
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 01:56:17 AM
Getting in the middle of a domestic situation.  I know a woman with a reputable career who left her husband when he shot her car with a pig hunting rifle while she and their child were driving away from home after a domestic argument.  The bullet went through the car and lodged in the wall .  The police did nothing. She moved in with her mother and is still there 6 years later.  In December 2018 this year my g f was driving a car with a broken tail light the police stopped it and told me to fix it as she was deemed not competent to know about cars.  Totally  different mind set.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 24, 2019, 02:29:43 AM
In my experience it's rare for a sane person to live with a mad person.  The madness wears off on each other.  So this woman will need a fair amount of adjustment to being treated kindly by yourself and may send you mad as she sorts herself out.  There are a lot of available fsu women to choose from.  Best way to know a woman is to meet her on her home ground.  Her husband knows what you look like .  Knows where  you live in the USA.  Will know your flight number and arrival date.  So arrival in her home town may now involve a hospital stay for you.  Delete reboot find a more simple situation.  Loads of nice women living back with their mothers after divorce.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Mandalay on January 25, 2019, 12:17:36 AM
Hello,

Well she did her interview.
The first screening lady looked through her documents and only grabbed bank document and brought it to the consular before her interview.

Met with Consular, she was asked:

Have you travelled abroad before? (No it will be first time)
Where will you be going? (To tour Hollywood Usa/ and Universal studios)
For how long? (2 weeks)
Where will you stay? ( Hostel Name in Hollywood)
Where do you work?  (Employer name)
Where does your husband work? (Employer name)

Consular Looks back and forth from bank document and his computer.. typing checking etc...

Consular:  This time we cannot grant visa, but next time will be ok.

Prints out 214b refusal statement.

After reading over this 214b refusal, the main points are

Intent to return to home country
Do you have the finances to afford this trip?
Is the travel legitimate for the visa purpose.

Thinking back, she mentioned his words again,
This time we cannot grant visa, but next time will be ok.

What the heck does that mean??

 Consular had the bank statement showing balance.
  No concern for other documents she had with her.

Our conclusion we felt it meant beef up the balance a little more for the trip then try again.  Detail your tour plan in the next application about the trip.

That is the update.





Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 25, 2019, 12:55:33 AM


That is the update.

Mandalay

Thanks for the update and sorry to hear the about  the knock-back

From what you write finances might not have been the only reason for refusal ? " Reason to return home ?"

Please excuse me if I've interpreted wrongly
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BC on January 25, 2019, 04:49:21 AM
Before re-applying, suggest:

Letter from employer stating the (new) vacation period, stating it was changed from the old (planned) period.

Are any kids in the family? Going Universal Studios without them would be a red flag.  Two weeks for  Universal Studios / Hollywood is overkill.  One week would be more reasonable.

Regarding funds, airfare (print examples) or advance booking from tour agency that can be cancelled, lodging 150 per day min, with food 200 and 100 per day extras, uber, sightseeing, attractions etc.  Universal studio.

A bank statement with 4-5K would be my guess what they are looking for with a two-week trip plus airfare.

Overall, considering her relationship status which could take some time and be messy to sort out, if you're really serious and in for the long-haul, it's probably high time to go meet her instead.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BdHvA on January 25, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
Manadaly, The visa process is fee based and generates positive revenue for the Consulate. Most likely the expression 'but next time will be ok' plays into this.

Curious was a stamp by the consular office placed in her passport with words to the effect 'Visa Denied, blah blah blah'?

If you are serious you are back to plan B meet somewhere in Europe and she gets a Schengen visa. Prague is a great city to be in and has frequent flights to Moscow. Warmer is Greece. Turkey and Cyprus are options but the visa's are not seen as 'valuable' as an American, Canadian or Schengen visa.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 25, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
That is the update.

She didn't have the passcode, eh?

Oh well, time to man-up and don the Sir Galahad suit and get a passport. Buy that ticket and fly to Russia and meet King Arthur and tell him never to lay hand on your Guinevere ever again, baby.

Maybe that'll scare the bejeesus out of him and sign the divorce paper pronto so you both can ride out unto that Hollywood sunset...
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 25, 2019, 10:04:59 AM
...Cyprus are options but the visa's are not seen as 'valuable' as an American, Canadian or Schengen visa.[/font][/size]

...and WHO pray told you this?

I have advised many chaps to demonstrate a relationship to meet in Cyprus and they have gone on to get Schengen, UK and 'Oz visas..

It is a doddle to get a Russian a Cyprus visa..it involves clicking on a weblink, choosing the visa application centre appropriate to the oblast and a decision in minutes....

As long as the lady has funds for the stay, a return ticket and an address and her 'sponsor's contact details...the immigration may call you on WhatsApp to check your creds..all will be fine.

Cyprus ranks above Turkey in the visa stakes as CY is in the EU.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Gator on January 25, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
Mandalay,

There is a silver lining in this cloud.  A scamming woman would have said, "I have my visa, please wire travel money."  So the lady is honest.  Maybe her stories about her husband are true. 

Even if true, I see no reason to get involved with a married woman.  I never knowingly dated a married woman, whether in the US or the FSU.  It is MESSY and could become MESSIER.  There are plenty of unmarried FSUW who will be much easier to meet. 

If you are still keen about this woman and choose to ignore my advice, I will write a second post about what to do. 



Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Gator on January 25, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
My Confused and Stubborn Mandalay,

My wife's good friend from Russia recently applied for a tourist visa.   The day of the interview, the Consulate was filled with many other applicants.  The consulate denied almost all applications, yet approved my wife's friend. 

Thus, the denial of the travel visa for your woman of interest is typical.   I have no idea about the statement: "next time will be ok."     
 
I suggest your woman of interest not reapply soon.  Instead, you need to meet her in her country but not her city.  Why?   

I unknowingly could have been involved in a similar situation.  My first trip was in 2002 and was the "visit many" option.   I traveled to Yalta to meet a special lady with whom I had shared several long telephone conversations.   Upon arrival, I called her number, the same number I had used several times.  Instead of her sweet voice, a male voice answered. 

I should have hung up.   Instead, stupid me, I asked for Natasha.  The male voice became loud, ugly and hung up.  An hour or so later, Natasha called me at the hotel where she had advised me to stay.  Her words were brief:  "I can not meet you....(click)."  Her tone was sad yet definitive.  so I went to Plan B.

Thus, it is important that you meet your lady outside her city where her husband would unlikely discover the deceit.  If she could arrange time to travel to the US, she surely could fly to St. Petersburg, a distant friend's city, etc. 

When you meet her, I agree with the advice from others not to be a white knight.  Do not feel sorry for her.  Her husband has nothing to do with you.  Instead, treat her as any single woman in your hometown. 
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 25, 2019, 10:43:00 AM
Limerence is a b!tch. Very contagious, too. Sure hope Richard can stop by sometime and give all of us the antidote.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Gator on January 25, 2019, 10:47:54 AM
My Kipling Mandalay,

This episode has introduced you to RW.  They can be difficult yet worth the trouble. 

And unlike the woman in Kipling's Mandalay, they are attainable.

The best plan for you is to open communications with a few of the thousands of RW who are unattached and would consider marriage to a foreigner.  They easily could be better than the current married RW who tugs at your cyber desires. 

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Gator on January 25, 2019, 11:01:00 AM
Limerence is a b!tch. Very contagious, too. Sure hope Richard can stop by sometime and give all of us the antidote.

I thought the limerence cancer developed in male victims only after meeting the woman.  This seems like Stage II without yet having met her. 

Mandalay, part of dating RW is to first look into the mirror and deliberate about your romantic history,  strengths, weaknesses, etc.  Be sure you are well-adjusted or at least self-aware before undertaking this venture. 
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 25, 2019, 12:32:55 PM
I thought the limerence cancer developed in male victims only after meeting the woman.  This seems like Stage II without yet having met her.

That was the initial prognosis. Like Phones and TVs, Limerence is a *SmartDisease*. It knows 95% of Romeos hardly ever leave their computer at home.

My Confused and Stubborn Mandalay,

My wife's good friend from Russia recently applied for a tourist visa.   The day of the interview, the Consulate was filled with many other applicants.  The consulate denied almost all applications, yet approved my wife's friend.

I see/hear this all the time. I originally used the code word 'GQ' in my case to invite the masses and never had any problem. Matter of fact, it's gotten to the point any code is unnecessary anymore...
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: BdHvA on January 25, 2019, 03:06:58 PM
...and WHO pray told you this?

US Consular officer in Kiev last year.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 25, 2019, 03:39:40 PM

US Consular officer in Kiev last year.


Well, in the context of the US - which is this thread - I stand corrected ...

As far as visiting Europe or Antipodean nations - I'd suggest nonsense..
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Davo2 on January 26, 2019, 04:02:02 AM
Don't try this again....As someone else said, every time she gets rejected it puts another tick against her name.

I'm probably the most recent member on this site that tried to get a tourist visa for a woman I've never met in real life and she was knocked back for not providing evidence she will return..... Trust me she had the best visa application you could put together.

After I talked to a visa specialist to get clarification on what when wrong, as my woman had travelled extensively, owned property in Russia, had savings in the bank and a high paying job, as well as a great case to return to her children in Russia. She even had a letter of recommendation from a childhood friend who worked in my countries Moscow embassy and now in Australia. 

The agent basically laughed at me and said the problem was she's Russian. She has a better chance or being invited to the international space station than countries like the US, Australia or the UK.

If you want her to visit you, you need to fly and meet her first and show you are in a committed relationship. Even then you may be knocked back, which is why I guess many men get engaged before trying to bring her to his country.

 Edit..... The agent also informed me that he didn't personally know of any Russians that were issued with a visa in the last 6 months, unless they had family here, were in a relationship, engaged or married to a citizen. Other approved visas were for business, studying or competing in professional sport...... All first time tourists were being rejected for not providing evidence they will return.

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 26, 2019, 08:47:26 AM
Edit..... The agent also informed me that he didn't personally know of any Russians that were issued with a visa in the last 6 months, unless they had family here, were in a relationship, engaged or married to a citizen. Other approved visas were for business, studying or competing in professional sport...... All first time tourists were being rejected for not providing evidence they will return.

Must be something new for Russians.

Last I knew Russians had a very high visa acceptance rate to visit USA.

Rate for Ukrainians was much lower; don't know about current.

In that earlier situation, Ukrainians were more prone to overstay compared to Russians which probably was a reflection of their worse economic situation at home.

If things have switched, probably due to political reasons; which I am all in favor of.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: krimster2 on January 26, 2019, 10:34:47 AM
same here...
over the years, have sponsored several visits to the USA (with letters of invitation) from Russia and Ukraine of wife's family
all went without a hitch until this past year when we received our first visa denial (sister, married w/ 2 children, owns business and house)
for many people including my sister in law a long trip to Moscow for nichy vo
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 26, 2019, 12:44:29 PM
I hear the same story from Belarus about getting tourist visas for usa and UK as in most are refused.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Davo2 on January 26, 2019, 03:30:02 PM

If things have switched, probably due to political reasons

I think you've hit the nail on the head ML and it's not just our governments showing bias towards Russians. My neighbor is Russian and he's experienced a few negative comments from the general public on Russia's foreign policy, over the last few years. You'd like him, he's anti Putin.

He's an interesting guy, he and his wife escaped when the FSU fell. He was involved heavily in the Russian nuclear program. He's assimilated into our culture very well. It's our Australia day long weekend, he invites the neighbors over for a BBQ and fly's the Australian flag on his car.

We affectionately call him "Con the crazy Russian" due to the fact he fires up his Banya weekly, even this week in 4O+ degree c heatwave conditions.

* An unusual sight in an Aussie back yard  ;D

Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 26, 2019, 10:29:30 PM
I hear the same story from Belarus about getting tourist visas for usa and UK as in most are refused.

I often find it is better to KNOW than to rely on bollox 3rd party hearsay, James ! 

UK applications for visit visas from BY in Q2 2018 - 95.81 % APPROVED

Russians 98.52% approved and Ukraine 89.6%

http://ukvisa.blog/2018/11/23/uk-visa-success-rate/


Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 27, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
4000 applicants from Belarus 4 per cent failure 160 people failed and I personally know 8 of the 160 .  Its the way the statistics are being gathered they obviously are not counting the pre screening in Minsk.  The rude letters of rejection the British Government send out would distress most people in the UK if they knew how rude they are to the level of almost calling a well established lawyer a potential future prostitute.  As I said I know people who have previously received visitor visas to USA and UK who are not getting them now.  Business visas tend to be approved easily.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: msmob on January 27, 2019, 08:29:52 AM
4000 applicants from Belarus 4 per cent failure 160 people failed and I personally know 8 of the 160 .  Its the way the statistics are being gathered they obviously are not counting the pre screening in Minsk. 

'YEAH RIGHT'- you suggested a REALLY stupid stat based on hearsay and got busted

The rude letters of rejection the British Government send out would distress most people in the UK if they knew how rude they are to the level of almost calling a well established lawyer a potential future prostitute.  As I said I know people who have previously received visitor visas to USA and UK who are not getting them now.  Business visas tend to be approved easily.

You forget that some of us having been helping folks get UK visas for MUCH longer than you and - personally - I see no increase in visit visa rejections

The Business visa is still a visitor visa and simply has letters to support the reason for a visit and - possibly - demonstrating that the UK biz is paying / subsidising the trip ...How many Biz visas have you - personally - been involved with in the last 12 months ?



Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: GQBlues on January 27, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
….<snip>The Business visa is still a visitor visa and simply has letters to support the reason for a visit and <snip...

Bingo! Exactly right. Non-immigrant visas rely heavily on the most basic assurance that applicants have a viable cause of visitation, stability during their time in-country and resounding reason for return.

Tourists visas are no different.

Taking the case like the OP's, a woman who have no relationship or connection in the US (friend/s, relative, etc..), likely short on dispensible liquidity to finance the visit, and while married and employed could qualify as resounding reason for return; could in fact show some sort of instability.

On a scoring sheet, that's almost 3 out 3 reasons for rejection. Any one of those becoming a negative is enough reason to reject an application. There is no reduction attempt by USCIS/DHS to decrease the number of tourist. That'll cripple and affect states and cities who rely on tourism for their economic viability. So don't be silly with that belief.

We have scheduled visits by Russians this year. Some are first time visitors having knowledge their friends having been previously here with us, and wanted to follow suit. These are relatively young single folks.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: whynotme on January 27, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
US visa interview is a lottery. Ask me, how do I know  8)? The result depends entirely on the officer who evaluates the situation very subjectively. Seems no any logic in their decisions. Btw, why no one writes that a visa in the passport is not a guarantee of entry into the country. On the last visit my daughter was interrogated for two hours, she already thought she would be sent back. Relatives and friends in the US, as well as the lack of travel is a big minus. Judging by the number of Ukrainians I know who came on B1/B2 and opened fake refugee cases, I would not talk about any kind of discrimination in obtaining visas for them.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 27, 2019, 03:25:03 PM
Business visas just the one
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 27, 2019, 06:19:19 PM
US visa interview is a lottery. Ask me, how do I know  8)? The result depends entirely on the officer who evaluates the situation very subjectively. Seems no any logic in their decisions. Btw, why no one writes that a visa in the passport is not a guarantee of entry into the country. On the last visit my daughter was interrogated for two hours, she already thought she would be sent back. Relatives and friends in the US, as well as the lack of travel is a big minus. Judging by the number of Ukrainians I know who came on B1/B2 and opened fake refugee cases, I would not talk about any kind of discrimination in obtaining visas for them.

The consular officer has to treat every non-immigrant visa applicant's intention is to immigrate to the US.  They need the applicant to prove/persuade them otherwise.  Some agents take the directive to heart, others are more lenient to varying degrees.

It is harder now for Ukrainians to get business and tourist visas because of the abuse perpetrated before by others.  Can't have nice things...
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: whynotme on January 27, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
The consular officer has to treat every non-immigrant visa applicant's intention is to immigrate to the US.  They need the applicant to prove/persuade them otherwise.  Some agents take the directive to heart, others are more lenient to varying degrees.
My daughter has 2 approved visas (F1 and B1/B2) and 3 denied. She could also come to the US with me because at that moment she was not 21 years old. She was in the US twice, so she could stay if wanted. She had internships in France and the Czech Republic, traveled a lot. She has a job and continues her study in Moscow. My imagination is not enough to find more evidence that she is not going to stay an illegal here. Americans' conviction of their country’s exclusivity is annoying sometimes.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on January 27, 2019, 09:09:37 PM
Americans' conviction of their country’s exclusivity is annoying sometimes.

But thank Heavens it does not rise to the level of Russian's.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: whynotme on January 27, 2019, 10:35:54 PM
But thank Heavens it does not rise to the level of Russian's.

Are you sure?  :P "This [US] is a unique, exceptional country. Russia is unique, but not exceptional" - who told that recently?
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Grumpy on April 03, 2021, 09:47:50 AM
The interview process gets more inconvenient.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/01/us-slashes-visa-services-at-consulates-in-russia-a73439
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: Brillynt on April 04, 2021, 07:14:43 AM
My wife has been talking to others lately and more ladies are getting their interview scheduled in Ukraine and Poland due to the problems of getting a interview scheduled in Russia.
Title: Re: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: ML on April 04, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
Yet another reason for not pursuing Russian women . . . and no,  I am not denigrating Russian women now married to USA men.
Title: Russia US embassy Interview
Post by: 2tallbill on April 04, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
US visa interview is a lottery. Ask me, how do I know  8)?

I don't need to ask because you are 100% correct. It could just be whether or
not the USCIS officer is having PMS or not. It could be that they hate Russians
because some do. USCIS officers are not hired on merit, they aren't equal and
they can be petty sh!t brains.

I know because I have experienced the full spectrum.