The Propaganda War

[LiveFromUkraine]

Victoria "F the EU" Nuland.  Hilarious.

[jone]

If the Obummer Administration would have had any cajones, Nuland would have been fired the moment that conversation was made public.  And the Ambassador.

To simply wash over it is stupid, stupid, stupid. 

[JayH]

If the Obummer Administration would have had any cajones, Nuland would have been fired the moment that conversation was made public.  And the Ambassador.

To simply wash over it is stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

Does not make her views wrong on Russia now--

"America’s top diplomat for Europe denounced Russian state-media coverage of the Ukraine crisis on Tuesday and belittled the Kremlin’s propaganda efforts in the United States as fallacious and ineffective.

“All you have to do is look at RT’s tiny, tiny audience in the United States to understand what happens when you broadcast untruths in a media space that is full of dynamic, truthful opinion,” said Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, referring to the Kremlin-backed global media company. “State-owned Russian media spews lies about who’s responsible for the violence [in Ukraine].”

[fathertime]

I found this link which appears to present a Russian perspective in a decent enough way.


Excerpt:



To the shock and dismay of hopeful Westerners, including nearly all NATO leaders, the hard hit of sanctions has caused Russians to hate the West, not Putin. Most Russians view their war in Ukraine as a legitimate defense of Russians and Russian interests, certainly nothing like America’s aggressive wars of choice halfway around the world, and they are backing the Kremlin now.[/size][/font][/size]

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-is
-on-a-holy-mission-and-the-west-doesnt-get-it-2015-1




Fathertime! 

[Boethius]

The result of a controlled media. 


So what's their perspective on Mariuopol, a city which does not have a burning desire to be part of "Novorossiya", and where civilians were indiscriminately shelled, and killed, by the "rebels"?

[Larry1]

United Russia Lawmaker Defends 'Health Benefits' of Going Hungry

A lawmaker who was slammed for saying struggling Russians should battle rising food prices by "eating less," has defended himself by citing the health benefits of going cold and hungry.

Ilya Gaffner, a United Russia lawmaker in the Urals' Sverdlovsk region, said in televised comments last week that the 25- percent increase in food prices in his region was "not that bad" if people managed to control their appetites.

The comment sparked a torrent of criticism, with many accusing the politician of being out of touch with the lives of ordinary Russians.

Far from backtracking on his remarks, however, Gaffner told the local Ura.ru news site on Tuesday that it had been "scientifically proven" that the body functions better when it is cold and hungry.

Gaffner said Russians had traditionally used the period after New Year to "rid their bodies of excesses" ahead of Lent, suggesting this year they would be able to save money while scrimping on servings.

... Gaffner said he was on a 13-day diet.

"Every day, I eat something different," he said. "Today, tvorog and apples. Tomorrow, rice and tomato sauce. The day after — beef stew. And on top of that I exercise. Of course it's hard. I'm talking to you now, and barely have enough energy," he told the journalist.

Gaffner said the harsh economic conditions would not affect Russians' resilience or their willingness to stand up for themselves and their president.

"We are a special people … We would rather save — go cold and hungry — but win," he told Ura.ru.

Food price inflation in Russia has peaked over a sharp devaluation of the ruble and Western sanctions imposed over Russia's role in the Ukraine conflict. Inflation is expected to accelerate even more this year.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/515055.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm
_campaign=Feed%3A+themoscowtimes%2Fnews
+%28The+Moscow+Times+News%29

Here is another Russian politician who advocates that Russians eat less to support Putin:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/
news/article/top-official-vows-russians
-will-eat-less-for-putin/514850.html

[ML]

He is on to something.

The USA would be a lot better off healthwise if millions here followed  his advice.

[Brasscasing]

Skimming the eight or nine articles on my search page relating to this latest propaganda I think the Russians are indulging themselves in the pretense that they actually have a choice in the matter.

The politicians (Putin's henchmen) are telling their serfs in so many words it's now their patriotic duty to starve for the (new) boss.

Brass

[mendeleyev]

ML, if millions walked as often and far as the daily jaunt of the average Russian, weight would not be an issue in the USA.

[mendeleyev]

Brass, spot on.

The people are asked to accept a plunging Ruble, inflated prices, reduced social services, unmarked casket shipments, and their pensions will be diverted to protect their country against aggressive enemy neighbors with evil and expansive mega empires such as Estonia, Latvia, Sweden, Moldova, Poland, Finland, well, somebody.

[ML]

Yeah, I know.

We follow a program of walking Tue, Thur, Sat for 3 miles, weight lifting Mon, Wed and Fri, and Pilates on Sundays.

But I still gain weight, while Ochka continues to fit into size 6 jeans as she has since age 18.

[mendeleyev]

FT, and your link isn't even honest.

The sanctions that have hit average Russians in the pocketbook are not the Western sanctions against certain individuals and financial institutions in Russia, instead the bread and butter sanctions that hurt the average citizen were authored and ordered under the phrase "reverse sanctions" by President Putin.

[AC]

FT, and your link isn't even honest.

The sanctions that have hit average Russians in the pocketbook are not the Western sanctions against certain individuals and financial institutions in Russia, instead the bread and butter sanctions that hurt the average citizen were authored and ordered under the phrase "reverse sanctions" by President Putin.

Yes they were authored and ordered by Putin yet Putin has convinced the average Russian that the USA and the EU and Nato are to blame.  And some people think that Putin is a fool.   

[Muzh]

Russian mercenary confessed Russian army fights under the guise of militants in Donbas. PHOTOS


http://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/322002/
russian_mercenary_confessed_russian_army_
fights_under_the_guise_of_militants_in_donbas_photos

[fathertime]

FT, and your link isn't even honest.

The sanctions that have hit average Russians in the pocketbook are not the Western sanctions against certain individuals and financial institutions in Russia, instead the bread and butter sanctions that hurt the average citizen were authored and ordered under the phrase "reverse sanctions" by President Putin.

Mendeleyev, the article wasn't really centered around who initiated which sanctions.  It discussed lots of other important things...one of which I found interesting is the Obama speech in which he seemed to try to brag about Russia losing, at which point Russia immediately began to accelerate their apparent activities.


Fathertime! 

[JayH]

Russian Hackers Leak List of Pro-Russian Influence Group Made of High-Profile European Individuals


The endeavor to attract pro-Russian individuals in Europe is financed by Konstantin Malofeev, according to Shaltay Boltay (Google Translate), who leaked various messages relating to the activity of the organizations controlled and financed by the 40-year-old multimillionaire.

On the list of personalities either targeted to become “friends of Russia” or already in the club, released by the Ukrainian publication Texty (Google Translate), there are prominent figures in Europe and outside of it; the document from Texty is named “agents,” suggesting that they have already been recruited with the help of Russia Today news channel.

It contains entries of individuals from Romania, Poland, Turkey, Hungary, Argentina, France, Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia, Greece, Lebanon, Italy, Germany, Chile, and Malaysia.
Influencers in high positions wanted

The individuals are occupying important positions in their countries, which allows them certain degree of influence, and have either met Dugin himself or his representatives. They are politicians (former prime ministers and presidents), journalists, scientists, professors, philosophers, government employees, and even priests.

Among the names listed there are Ion Iliescu (former president of Romania), Suleyman Demirel (former president of Turkey), Roman Giertych (former minister of education in Poland), Viktor Orbán (prime minister of Hungary), Robert Fico (prime minister of Slovakia), Vojislav Kostunica (former president of Serbia), Massimo Fini (Italian journalist), Tiberio Gratsiani (president of the Institute of Geopolitics and Applied Sciences in Italy), Jurgen Elsasser (German journalist and political activist), and Felix Allemand (German anti-globalization blogger).

The list is quite expansive, and at the end, it is mentioned that similar opportunities have been identified in the US, Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Iran, India, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Switzerland, England, Bulgaria, and Canada.

[Brasscasing]

Now for some news of the bizarre variety...

Russia may declare 1990 reunification illegal

..."More than 25 years after the Berlin Wall's fall, Russian lawmakers are mulling a proposal to condemn West Germany's 1990 "annexation" of East Germany as Moscow's answer to Western denunciation of its seizure of Crimea.

Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of Russian parliament's lower house, on Wednesday ordered legislators to consider an appeal from a Communist Party deputy to denounce the reunification of Germany as an illegal land grab of East Germany by its western neighbour.

The collapse of Socialist rule in East Germany - officially known as the German Democratic Republic (GDR) - heralded the end of the Cold War, and was met with jubilation in the West.

But the Communist lawmaker sponsoring the proposal argued the absorption of the GDR - a Soviet Union satellite since the end of WWII - into a unified Germany in October 1990 was illegal."...

http://www.thelocal.de/20150128/
russia-may-declare-german-reunification-illegal

Either these people have been sampling the old KGB stores of Crystal Meth or the pressure's getting to them.

We may see more of these outlandish proposals/announcements coming from the Russian parliament as time goes on.

Brass

[calmissile]

Now for some news of the bizarre variety...

Russia may declare 1990 reunification illegal

..."More than 25 years after the Berlin Wall's fall, Russian lawmakers are mulling a proposal to condemn West Germany's 1990 "annexation" of East Germany as Moscow's answer to Western denunciation of its seizure of Crimea.

Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of Russian parliament's lower house, on Wednesday ordered legislators to consider an appeal from a Communist Party deputy to denounce the reunification of Germany as an illegal land grab of East Germany by its western neighbour.

The collapse of Socialist rule in East Germany - officially known as the German Democratic Republic (GDR) - heralded the end of the Cold War, and was met with jubilation in the West.

But the Communist lawmaker sponsoring the proposal argued the absorption of the GDR - a Soviet Union satellite since the end of WWII - into a unified Germany in October 1990 was illegal."...



Either these people have been sampling the old KGB stores of Crystal Meth or the pressure's getting to them.

We may see more of these outlandish proposals/announcements coming from the Russian parliament as time goes on.

Brass

Still waiting for Putin to ride his horse (shirtless) into Alaska and claim it belongs to Russia.     

[Brasscasing]

Still waiting for Putin to ride his horse (shirtless) into Alaska and claim it belongs to Russia.     

LOL.



Brass

[BillyB]

Still waiting for Putin to ride his horse (shirtless) into Alaska and claim it belongs to Russia.     

They may try and save East Germany from illegal annexation first. Russian Parliament has nothing better to talk about. One would think the economy would top their list.

[mendeleyev]

Mendeleyev, the article wasn't really centered around who initiated which sanctions.

True, you posted this:

To the shock and dismay of hopeful Westerners, including nearly all NATO leaders, the hard hit of sanctions has caused Russians to hate the West, not Putin.

[fathertime]

True, you posted this:

 True, that was a part of the quote I quoted from the article...carry on.


Fathertime! 

[Изумруд]

Some here might find this article of interest; the Russian tactic of Maskirovka:

Russia's annexation of Crimea last year caught almost everyone off guard. The Russian military disguised its actions, and denied them - but those "little green men" who popped up in the Black Sea peninsula were a textbook case of the Russian practice of military deception - or maskirovka.

At a cadet school in the southern suburbs of Moscow, Maj Gen Alexander Vladimirov heaves two enormous red volumes off his bookcase and slams them down on the table. "My Theory and Science of Warfare," he says, beaming. "It's three times longer than Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace!"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31020283

[Gator]

Some here might find this article of interest; the Russian tactic of Maskirovka:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31020283

Emerald,

This excerpt from your article is illuminating: 

Peter Pomerantsev, who recently spent several years working on documentaries and reality shows for Russian TV, argues that Russian state media are not just distorting truth in Ukraine, they go much further, promoting a seductive nihilism.

"The Russian strategy, both at home and abroad, is to say there is no such thing as truth," he says.

"I mean, you know, 'The Americans are bad, we're bad, and everyone's bad, so what's the big deal about us being a bit corrupt? You know our democracy's a sham, their democracy's a sham.'

"It's a sort of cynicism that actually resonates very powerfully in the West nowadays with this lack of self-confidence after the Iraq War, after the financial crash - and that's what the Russians are hoping for, just to take that cynicism and then use that in a military environment."

[AC]

Emerald,

This excerpt from your article is illuminating:

The excerpt you posted is why guys like live from Ukraine and fathertime permeate these forums and are so eager to try to justify or nullify the actions of Putin.  People looking for a conspiracy theory are easy prey for Russian propaganda.