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Guys:


I just presented this talk on Tuesday night and I think it has some stuff men need to hear. 


I'd love to get your thoughts:





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« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 05:46:44 AM by Mark Davis »
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 05:48:38 AM »
 You beat me to it!  :d

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 06:08:37 AM »
Thanks for the tip.  I didn't know how to post a playable YouTube video in a post.  Evidently, I figured it out!


What did you think of the video content?  I am hoping this could be something guys in our camp to share with the skeptical to win some over.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 06:19:07 AM »
Time will tell!

 I think that it'll  sway some that may have ben tempted to look on the 'dark side'.  Hopefully  :clapping:

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 09:23:16 AM »
I watched the first ten minutes and then turned it off.    Too slow moving and esoteric.  Only a small group of guys would want all the head knowledge that front ends this video.  Inasmuch as I did not continue to watch, it may have gotten better as it goes along.

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 10:40:57 AM »
Fair enough. Note to self: Come up with a short version.

This is my typical format.  It's a weekly web show that runs an hour. We get about 150 guys watching live each week.  Last week my wife and our manager in Odessa talked about how to date Ukrainian women for marriage. 

I like the idea, though.  Maybe I'll do a 3-minute trailer-type video and just offer that if they want to see the full presentation they can go to the other YouTube link.  I'll do that today and add it.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 10:45:50 AM »
Hi Mark! Good to see you posting.

I got through about 23 minutes of it. I'm guessing it's a marketing piece for you? Perhaps it is good for some folks. In those minutes I didn't find anything for me. Of course I'm married and I agree with much you said but, I knew most of that already. Maybe it's helpful to the folks pondering or already committed to looking outside the borders but haven't made that step yet. I saw all of it I wanted to but not to the end so, I'm not qualified for a truthful assessment other than, if you're already married or committed to be married, you might want to skip it. If you're actively looking or considering a relationship, seems to be some pretty good stuff. Much you may already know and much you might need a refresher on.

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 10:50:08 AM »
OK, I'm getting the message.  I'll get the short version up later today.


But try this - starting at 34:30:
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 12:08:56 PM »
To make an entertaining show, how avout cutting your talk down to 20 minutes and let the live viewers ask questions for the remaining time? Getting in a call system with live discussion would be the most interesting, but you might start by answering questions sent in by Twitter or mail.

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 12:22:41 PM »
To make an entertaining show, how avout cutting your talk down to 20 minutes and let the live viewers ask questions for the remaining time? Getting in a call system with live discussion would be the most interesting, but you might start by answering questions sent in by Twitter or mail.




You guys have inspired me.  I'm going to change my format entirely for the sake of YouTube.  I do have a live broadcast on Tuesdays where men interact with me and type in questions in the chat - we typically go on for an hour in live Q&A after the show.  But YouTube isn't "live" - it's "instant gratification.  I need to come up with a YouTube show that does short re-caps from the longer shows and invites men to watch the full show if they'd like more information.


You guys are gold.  Thank you.  This is the independent feedback I needed.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 12:51:23 PM »
Yeah well, it didn't help. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. You're preaching to the choir with me, for the most part. But, I'm detecting some of the old MOB hype peppered in as well. Quite frankly when my MOB hype-dar goes off, I start tuning out. But, I understand some guys might need that.


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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 01:21:07 PM »
You're preaching to the choir with me, for the most part.


My goal was to give the "Choir" a good tool to help win over someone who wasn't in the choir - with some ammunition for why you're brilliant to be doing what your doing and he should think about it too. Not trying to win anybody here, just wondered if it was a good resource for the cause.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 01:57:52 PM »

My goal was to give the "Choir" a good tool to help win over someone who wasn't in the choir - with some ammunition for why you're brilliant to be doing what your doing and he should think about it too. Not trying to win anybody here, just wondered if it was a good resource for the cause.

Mark I think what you are doing is good and righteous but, one place your and my thought patterns diverge is in "trying to win one over for the cause". I can see your benefit, you have an enterprise built on winning guys over. I never try to convince anyone East is better than West or that if you're unhappy with the women you date go overseas.

I really don't want nor try to "win" anyone over to my way of thinking. To me, the results speak for themselves or not at all. I've never cared what others thought of my decision to marry a Russian. I offer newbies help here on the boards if I can but, in real life a bruddah would have to have some good whiskey and I'd have to have the time.  ;D


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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 03:48:54 PM »
I enjoyed the movie. Thank you Mark!

Very well said about the FSU women. I even got an idea to improve my dating profile text with the mention of some features that Mark outlined.  ;)

During my almost five years in Northern America, I only had little opportunity to befriend the Western women. I never had this network of female siblings, girlfriends, aunts, classmates, etc. in the West, and I feel that I missed this part in my life. Somehow women seem to be reluctant to socialize. Men however are very friendly folks everywhere  8) 8)
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 04:59:01 PM »
Somehow women seem to be reluctant to socialize.

Various reasons including competition.   A Canadian man, if sincere, will eventually introduce you to his friends to include wives of his male friends.  Are the wives also cold?

Most of the wives of my friends enjoy conversing with my wife, even with her less than ideal English.  And most are 10-15 years older. 


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Men however are very friendly folks everywhere  8) 8)


Imagine that!   ;D    Where are their eyes?  If you asked them to repeat what you just said, can they?


Good to see your name here.  I still can not believe you are still available.

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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 05:16:34 PM »
OK, I'm getting the message.  I'll get the short version up later today.
But try this - starting at 34:30:

Hi Mark,
I'm in the process of watching the whole thing.  I watched a few minutes at the start, then skipped forward to the 33:50 mark.

I like what you said WW value:
wealth and pampering.

versus

what Ukrainian women value:
a faithful provider who cares.

(a very interesting observation, certainly not always true, but possibly true of the limited single women)
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 06:07:34 PM »
I enjoyed the movie. Thank you Mark!

Very well said about the FSU women. I even got an idea to improve my dating profile text with the mention of some features that Mark outlined.  ;)

During my almost five years in Northern America, I only had little opportunity to befriend the Western women. I never had this network of female siblings, girlfriends, aunts, classmates, etc. in the West, and I feel that I missed this part in my life. Somehow women seem to be reluctant to socialize. Men however are very friendly folks everywhere  8) 8)

It could be that some Western women are jealous of you or they feel threatened by you (because they think you dress better and look sexy )))

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"Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 12:09:41 AM »
Hi Mark,

I watched the beginning but then skipped ahead to the 33:50 spot.

I can see you put a lot of thought into it and I think it's a pretty good
introduction (although it starts a little slow) and since I skipped ahead
maybe I missed some of what I am going to suggest.

I would point out that there plenty of attractive, sincere, intelligent and
non cRaZy women in the West, unfortunately most of them are happily
married. As you get older the attractive, sincere, intelligent and
non cRaZy women that are still interested in marriage become
more and more scarce with each passing year and they are very
unevenly distributed across the US.

If you walk through the financial district of San Francisco you might find
several but if you walk around other places they are very scarce. I live in
Western North Dakota in the Bakken oil boom area where even the large,
overweight, toothless crones wearing an ankle bracelet letting their parole
officer know their location have a gaggle of men around them.

Every single man who moves to Western North Dakota realizes that they
won't find a single nonmarried woman here and that they must go elsewhere
to find one.

While I live in one extreme the FSU has nearly the opposite extreme. 
In the FSU there are a surplus of marriage minded, single, thin, attractive,
non cRaZy women who strongly desire marriage and a family.

Don't misunderstand you can absolutely find a completely cRaZy
woman in the FSU but in the FSU you can find plenty that aren't.

My point isn't to market to oilfield workers in North Dakota but to point
out the scarcity locally vs a surplus abroad and the common sense or
Smart man point of going to where the girls are. 

Udachi!


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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 06:39:24 AM »
Absent Bill's personality, it is rather difficult to find some FSU woman to trade Kyiv or Dnipro or Niko for Western North Dakota.  Bill, however, could make even the Northwest Territories, in Canada, sound attractive to an FSU woman.  (Yellowknife anyone?)
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 10:05:51 AM »
Absent Bill's personality, it is rather difficult to find some FSU woman to trade Kyiv or Dnipro or Niko for Western North Dakota.  Bill, however, could make even the Northwest Territories, in Canada, sound attractive to an FSU woman.  (Yellowknife anyone?)

I did the exact opposite. I told how cold, dreary and treeless it was.
I intentionally undersold any positive aspects of living here. When
Angel Eyes arrived she was pleasantly surprised that I didn't quite
live on the lunar surface as I had previously claimed.

She was instead charmed by my personality, humor and my ability
to change light bulbs without standing on a chair.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 11:49:20 AM »
I did the exact opposite. I told how cold, dreary and treeless it was.
I intentionally undersold any positive aspects of living here. When
Angel Eyes arrived she was pleasantly surprised that I didn't quite
live on the lunar surface as I had previously claimed.

She was instead charmed by my personality, humor and my ability
to change light bulbs without standing on a chair.

Yep, sound like you found a winner.  We are so happy for you.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2015, 01:04:14 PM »
First of all, thank you, Mark, for your video. There are so many negative stereotypes about men that seek a bride abroad. Your attempt to depict the international dating/marriage as a reasonable choice of  smart men rather than desperation of outcasts is welcome.


Unfortunately, the comparisons and contrasts part of the video where you speak about WW vs. UW is mostly ridiculous and diminishes the credibility of the video.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2015, 01:26:06 PM »

Unfortunately, the comparisons and contrasts part of the video where you speak about WW vs. UW is mostly ridiculous and diminishes the credibility of the video.

As I was thinking of my reply and reading down through the previous replies, I saw this and realized it was the best and to the point.  So I second vwrw.

I have always stated there is really no difference between the FSUW and WW except in the prevailing body style and that WM can trade up on other variables to an extent in FSU that they can't trade up to in the West.

So Mark, most of your thoughts are total BS . . . but I understand that you are in business and that probably a ton of guys will buy into the hype.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 01:51:42 PM »

I'd love to get your thoughts:



Well done Mark.
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Re: "Why Smart Men are Going to Ukraine to Find a Wife" by Mark Davis
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2015, 05:32:10 PM »
First of all, thank you, Mark, for your video. There are so many negative stereotypes about men that seek a bride abroad. Your attempt to depict the international dating/marriage as a reasonable choice of  smart men rather than desperation of outcasts is welcome.


Unfortunately, the comparisons and contrasts part of the video where you speak about WW vs. UW is mostly ridiculous and diminishes the credibility of the video.

Could you please be specific about what examples you don't agree with?  He is dealing in generalities.  I always notice that some women don't agree with such generalities (probably don't like to be negative about other women) but often most guys do agree with the generalities.  But again he is giving generalities.  I don't think he ever said it was always true.  I would refer to 2tallBill's post and you can see how he compares looking overseas to looking in the USA and my own personal experience is very similar that to that of 2tallBill. 

 

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