Off Topic Offshoot

[japtats]

Note to self - do not engage with closed minded people who obviously know it all and everything about everyone else.

Bro it is her own words, and her friends who know how to fool certain (seems like majority) of western men. I repeated what you said, she is asking what is your top 5 ukrainian writers, as you are interested in literature. She is rolling her eyes at your responses hahaha

Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Same hot chicks are in Sweden and Norway. 
But you and I can't touch them because no economic advantage

Gf laughed and said 'yes'

[cameraguymn]

You forgot Norway. Danish not so hot. I never got into Nordic literature.

I'm make decent dough - gotta look into those hot Kentucky back hills girls too - use my economic advantage.

Isn't the whole point of this forum for people who have a proclivity towards Slavic women and want to discuss them?

Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Same hot chicks are in Sweden and Norway. 
But you and I can't touch them because no economic advantage

[Boethius]

I'm not going to Ukraine because it is a low income country. I am going to Ukraine/Russia because the women are hot, educated, smart and refine. I can't speak for everyone but I think many men are going there for those reason and not because they can exploit women. We see enough of this in the Philippines or Thailand where culture, cuisine are vastly different between the two people.

ROFL.  "educated" and "refined" are two adjectives I would not ascribe to Ukrainian women. 
Ukraine is filled with WM who are there as sex tourists.  The only difference between those WM, and the ones who go to the Philippines or Thailand is that in the former case, they prefer Caucasian women.

Bro it is her own words, and her friends who know how to fool certain (seems like majority) of western men. I repeated what you said, she is asking what is your top 5 ukrainian writers, as you are interested in literature. She is rolling her eyes at your responses hahaha

What are her top 5 Ukrainian writers?

[japtats]

What are her top 5 Ukrainian writers?

Taras shevchenko
Lesya ukrainka
Ivan franco
Panteleymon kulish
mykola lysenko

Not sure what it all means, or why she even asked him.

[cameraguymn]

The most brilliant writers for me are Chekhov, Gogol, Stanislavski, Bulgakov, and of course Tolstoy. Russian writers enjoy wider acclaim and there are fewer Ukrainian writers of note compared to the Russians but I prefer T. Shevchenko. Maybe Ukraine can claim Bulgakov too. I'm not into that regional battle. I'm here for love.

Bro it is her own words, and her friends who know how to fool certain (seems like majority) of western men. I repeated what you said, she is asking what is your top 5 ukrainian writers, as you are interested in literature. She is rolling her eyes at your responses hahaha

Gf laughed and said 'yes'

[japtats]

The most brilliant writers for me are Chekhov, Gogol, Stanislavski, Bulgakov, and of course Tolstoy. Russian writers enjoy wider acclaim and there are fewer Ukrainian writers of note compared to the Russians but I prefer T. Shevchenko. Maybe Ukraine can claim Bulgakov too. I'm not into that regional battle. I'm here for love.

This is her response

'Gogol is Ukrainian writer
Only his last book were about Russian culture
He was born and raised in Poltavskiy district'

[Boethius]

Taras shevchenko
Lesya ukrainka
Ivan franco
Panteleymon kulish
mykola lysenko

Not sure what it all means, or why she even asked him.

Shevchenko was a poet, not a writer.  Mykola Lysenko was a composer, not a writer.

My favourite Ukrainian writer is Gogol.  I like Franko, but his works are very tied to his times, and he certainly isn't in Gogol's league.

ETA - I disagree about Gogol and Ukrainian/Russian culture.  His themes are universal.  Only the backdrops change.

I prefer T. Shevchenko.

I've never seen a good translation of Shevchenko.  His later poetry, in particular, is complex and fascinating.  However, I think you have to read it in Ukrainian to truly understand Shevchenko's brilliance.

[japtats]

Ask for me
Did he read Dostoyevsky "Poor people"

[cameraguymn]

that in itself is a debate when there a genius like that. I do want to go to the Black Sea because of him.

This is her response

'Gogol is Ukrainian writer
Only his last book were about Russian culture
He was born and raised in Poltavskiy district'

[japtats]

Shevchenko was a poet, not a writer.  Mykola Lysenko was a composer, not a writer.


My favourite Ukrainian writer is Gogol.  I like Franko, but his works are very tied to his times.

She said you are educated, she wanted me to spell one of the writers wrong, to see if anyone corrected her. I think she is doing it on purpose, seeing who can correct her and actually knows literature.

[Boethius]

I doubt that.  Moreover, on spelling, you are dealing with transliterations in any event.

[Faux Pas]

 

[japtats]

I doubt that. 

She wanted me to switch a c and k over, and see who noticed. She said if he knows, he will know the name is incorrect.

[Davo]

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[Boethius]

i also believe that Western men are conditioned to be kinder more empathetic towards women in general compared to our Slavic counterparts. That is part of our normalized way - more democratic in decision making and yeah..a little less "manly" to say it in simple terms.

I disagree with this.  I think Western culture as a whole is more empathetic, thanks mostly to leftist "snowflakes" (I think this is a good thing).  The attitude toward women is different in the Slavic parts of the FSU, both good and bad.  In some ways, they are brutal, but in others, FSUM are much softer toward women.  I think the tendency for men to drink in that society is why women seek foreign men, particularly after age 30.  Before 30, I believe it's mostly about money/lifestyle.

[cameraguymn]

I'm not sure we're really disagreeing. The drinking leads to bad behavior and how they treat women. And I do agree that drinking is a factor - along with cheating but men of all cultures cheat too.  I've actually never heard of FSUM men being softer toward women.  But that's just my experience and observation.  I'm curious if for many this is true...

I disagree with this.  I think Western culture as a whole is more empathetic, thanks mostly to leftist "snowflakes" (I think this is a good thing).  The attitude toward women is different in the Slavic parts of the FSU, both good and bad.  In some ways, they are brutal, but in others, FSUM are much softer toward women.  I think the tendency for men to drink in that society is why women seek foreign men, particularly after age 30.  Before 30, I believe it's mostly about money/lifestyle.

[Boethius]

I have decades of experience with FSUM.  Of course UW are going to tell WM that UM are bad, just like WM tell UW that WW are bad.  I've experienced gallantry from FSUM that is dead among WM.  Even drunkards.

[2tallbill]

I have decades of experience with FSUM.  Of course UW are going to tell WM that UM
are bad, just like WM tell UW that WW are bad.  I've experienced gallantry from FSUM
that is dead among WM.  Even drunkards.

I sell a product, I never say anything bad about my competitors product even if
I know about deficiencies and/or problems.

Bill's mud analogy: In my opinion saying bad things about my competitors is just
slinging mud and it's impossible to sling mud without getting mud all over yourself.
I prefer to talk about how the products I represent and my expertise can create an
excellent solution for their wants and needs.

That way I've taken the high road and have no mud on me.

I've rarely had FSUW say to me that all or most Russian men are bad. I have rarely said
anything negative about Western women. I have said that the best American women are
already married to very happy American men and that there are many, many excellent
divorced FSU women, so why not go to the place that I can find so many excellent
women who want to get married.

In the West, there are a large contingent of attractive Western Women who like bad boys
and will always want to pursue them and try to fix them. They don't really care for the
good guys, they will always be more interested that type of man so I have avoided
them in my single life. Likewise, I avoid broken women. I have neither the time,
desire nor the psychological training to fix them.

There is no shortage of bad boys in the FSU. In my experience most women in the FSU
at the age I searched wanted anything to do with a bad boy.

When I was single, I have always been able to find women in the USA who were
interested in me with the exception of Western North Dakota during the oil boom.

Whatever, your situation look for the positive, proactive approach. The old adage
"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" works with women too.

[japtats]

In the West, there are a large contingent of attractive Western Women who like bad boys
and will always want to pursue them and try to fix them. They don't really care for the
good guys, they will always be more interested that type of man so I have avoided
them in my single life.

Incel definition right there, blame women not yourself. Women in the West are going for men they are attracted to, question is what qualities do you and others lack that makes them not attracted to you. Let go of the entitlement, dig in deep, and you will find the answer


Davo

I said what you said (before you edited the post) regarding the woman you know/dating with $500k house, and $2500 a month. My gf said that is the same women she knwos wo runs an escort agency (i thought she was the escort), goes in dates with westerners charging $100 for interp, married to a western rich man, whilst f a local ukrainian guy who is poor but she likes him. She will do anything to supply her kid with more, there is always more needed.

Also i told her of the woman who grabbed your arm and cried when shopping, saying she was so lonely waiting for a man like you. My girlfriend said you may have hgh estrogen levels, and it is a manipulation technique (this girl is deep in psychology and wants to do a masters). SHe said they do it to create a memoerable memory, so you replay it constantly in your head and remember the woman. I came across such women, pick up a random flower and tell me 'look at this, so pretty', and put it on their hair, it is cringe, my girlfriend even cringed at the story you told me. She said she never would do such a thing , because it is fake, also i believe she knows i am too smart for such stupid techniques

I dodge these women, as i found deep down, they are big manipulators. FSUW despite what you and others think, don't need saving, they are not as fragile as you think. I can go on about what my girlfriend told me, but like you did before, you will call her a narcist and advice me to dump my girlfriend who i didn't find on a foreign dating site, of women actively pursuing foreign men, and is happy to reside with my in Ukraine.


My girlfriend has a wide variety of friends, some virgins, some like i described. YOu want to listen to people selling something to you, or have been brainwashed. Truth is countless men have been dumped, faux 15 friends are now all divorced to FSUW (western society is 50% divorce rate). Fool for cheap tricks, and you will be the next guy.

also regarding your last marriage to FSUW, i doubt the issue was the 11 year age difference. I have had that age difference, my girlfriends showed my photos to all their friends, i mean why wouldn't they? Muscular, bearded tattooed man. Issue is what are you offering, and making sure the woman wants you and not the escape

[Davo]

Japs, It’s a big stretch of the imagination to compare a madam of a whore house to a woman with multiple uni degrees, who holds a senior position in a company with 50,000 employees and regularly travels to other countries on business as she handles all the English speaking accounts world wide. Further more you couldn’t find a woman more mortally opposite to a seedy brothel owner, when she’s a patron of an orphanage that regularly raises money, cooks for and teaches English to the children in her spare time.

Ask yourself this.... Is your GF treating you like a gullible fool to feed your narrative? She should know more than any of us being a local, how difficult it is for divorced older single mothers in FSU countries, even if you don’t.

Again only a person who lacks empathy would call my story cringey and manipulative.... Or she’s so caught up in herself she can’t see the social and cultural issues women face in her community. It’s not something that can be argued.... It’s just a sad fact. An older Russian woman on this forum explained what I’ve said stated perfectly recently. Let’s hope your GF never finds herself in the same position in 15-20 years.

If it works out with her, I have no issues that it’s because she loves me..... Mainly because when we first met and shared our financial situation she was in a far better position than me.

I spent some time chatting with another kind hearted 40 year old woman from Moscow 3 years ago as friends. She was another who had incredible empathy for others and would cry occasionally video chatting because it was nice to talk to a man (none had ever replied to her except me), even one who had no romantic intentions and would never meet. I told her in my first message that combined we have too many children for my house. She was just happy to talk to a man instead of her female friends and colleagues.

She owned a psychology clinic specialising in children. She would open her clinic on weekends and volunteer her time to help orphans too. She was such a selflessness woman that after her husband left her with two children under 10, she adopted young twins who visited her clinic. Ask your GF if she manipulating me too with her tears?

You and your GF should get out and talk to some older women in her community, listen to their stories ... there’s some truely wonderful women out there without a mean or manipulative bone in their body.

I’m not sure how you got that I’ve married and divorced a fsu woman 11 years younger than me. I mentioned I’d dated a local women 11 years younger after my divorce from another local woman.

I removed my original post due to the personal details.

[japtats]

Japs, It’s a big stretch of the imagination to compare a madam of a whore house to a woman with multiple uni degrees

You stretched your imagination when you called my girlfriend a narcist because she wasn't buying what you were selling. We discussed this further, why do you think i am confident to allow her to join this forum? Stuff i told you lot, is stuff she knows already. Why i am in ukraine, is same reason i told her, i can trade my financial power and make dating easier. I just have a set of balls to admit it, and not skip around the line being insecure.

We also joked today, many of the guys here can't give western women what they want, because FSUW women want stability, western women want a guy who 'can make me cum motherxxxx' (lyrics from a song)

She did say women which are 'shit because no fsum wants them' exist. She told me today she wouldn't tell you this, but she doesnt mind me passing the message, if she met you in pass she would tell you in a much softer tone. Some people can't handle things well, and need to be spoon fed, otherwise their world will probably get crushed.

You can waffle as much as you want what women have and do not have, but they are buying stability, and you are supplying stability, they just can't find it in ukrainian men so they go abroad, but those men do exist, either they want more money, or they are not good enough. EIther way, it is same point, money is what you are offering.

You and your GF should get out and talk to some older women in her community, listen to their stories ... there’s some truely wonderful women out there without a mean or manipulative bone in their body.

I dealt with mothers, they are sweet, but ruthless. I don't even want to say what happened, but they are very very dangerous, but sweet on the outside. It is as if they are two different people, in one body.

[Davo]

I’d be happy to discuss this topic openly on the forum with her, in fact challenge her to. I’d like to know how a guy who lives 15,000 km understands what’s occurring in her community better than she does.

I can give her a quite a few contact details of 40+ women in Russia and the numbers of two of my close friends wives, if she wants to talk to the women she’s calling manipulative herself. She won’t because she knows they will call her a silly little girl with no life experience and has never walked a mile in their shoes.... especially my mates wives. Heaven help anyone that tries to tell them they married for money, lifestyle and not love.

I go to social events regularly with them and you’ll never see two couples  more in love, even after ten years of marriage for one couple. She’s very attractive and gave up a good life and job near Moscow to become a farmers wife... drive tractors, muster sheep and cattle and live in more isolation than most Siberians.... That’s what you call love!!

[Trenchcoat]

I think we're talking of very different lives here. Davo is talking about 40 yrs plus ex-Soviet women with a lot of life experience behind them and different times. Japs is talking about a lot younger women post Soviet break up who have a very different mindset and have not had the number of years life experience. The two are world's apart and I don't think either you or your other halves are wrong they are just two completely different societies that we're talking about here. I'm not saying there aren't any bad women who are 40 plus Soviet girls but I think on the whole they had a very different upbringing just as poor materially as many post Soviet girls but brought up with better values in dealing with that poverty. I think ex Soviet girls look to good character to get them through hard times whereas post Soviet girls look to street savvy behaviour to get them through hard times. I think that's the real issue you two guys have here is that you're comparing milk & butter and not realising you're talking about two almost entirely different things.

[ML]

I go to social events regularly with them and you’ll never see two couples  more in love, even after ten years of marriage for one couple. She’s very attractive and gave up a good life and job near Moscow to become a farmers wife... drive tractors, muster sheep and cattle and live in more isolation than most Siberians.... That’s what you call love!!

Davo, wife was nearby, so I read this to her.

She smiled and reminded me: "I gave up good job in capital city Kyiv with tons of friends and family.  Came here to USA.  Now maintaining very large garden and yard, helping cut down some dead trees, after husband cuts to firewood length some manual splitting, stacking firewood, hauling in firewood in winter, keeping wood burning furnace going, empty ashes, etc., etc.  All this with masters degree and finishing up PhD."

And all this to live with a guy stupid enough  to fall over the top of a 12 foot ladder reaching to cut off 'just one more' branch, breaking 9 ribs and clavicle.

Note: She really has used sledge and wedges to split some logs that were cut to firewood length.  Mostly I did that however, and then the past summer we obtained motor driven hydraulic splitter to split up and stack a couple of years worth of firewood.  This is now at her insistence as I would just as soon use the oil burner option on our dual source furnace.  Plus we have heat pump for milder winter days which she mostly refuses to use, preferring to burn small branches she has gathered up from fallen limbs.  We have a LOT of trees.

[japtats]

I’d like to know how a guy who lives 15,000 km understands what’s occurring in her community better than she does.

There is the delusion, you know better than someone living there. Keep in mind her friends range from 20's to 40's, she has nothing to sell you.

I can give her a quite a few contact details of 40+ women in Russia and the numbers of two of my close friends wives, if she wants to talk to the women she’s calling manipulative herself. She won’t because she knows they will call her a silly little girl with no life experience and has never walked a mile in their shoes.... especially my mates wives. Heaven help anyone that tries to tell them they married for money, lifestyle and not love.

I looked past at your first jab at her , calling her a narcist telling me to run for the hills but your history doesn't give you much room to talk, luckily we have rules to protect you. If you continue calling her name's like silly little girl , I will rinse you for the truly pathetic specimen you are.


You are funny one sentence you are telling Trench how to play the financial game, what UK offers to attract women, next you are talking about farm lands, $500k apartments. Truth is women you go for is what she described, shit , nobody wanted them. What is hard to comprehend? They may or may not be manipulative, but nobody wants them, so they found you, hopefully this time you can keep one long enough. Or be another of Faux's statistics , 15 friends married FSUW, all divorced. You have one divorce, want to make it a double?

Don't be mad. No need to insult my girlfriend because you don't like the expired milk nobody wants to drink.


I know of a young russian guy, lost his legs, has no job,found a beautiful girl. But i am not giving up my day job or gym pass, you can looking for little outliers, make up stories, or be a big man, admit what you are doing, and just do it. Stop sugar coating stuff.