Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?

[Maxx2]

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[msmob]

Both regions already have Coronavirus, I would need to shop for food where ever I  am, we all have to do that. So no more risk is amounting out of me travelling back and forth to Wales since I always travel alone.

http://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do


"Stay at home
Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
Wash your hands as soon as you get home
Do not meet others, even friends or family.

You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms."

Specific to YOU:
"8. Can I visit elderly relatives?
No, you should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home."

Now, what part of those rules do you think you are 'exempt' from ...?

IF you try telling me you have a 'vulnerable' relative.. you should be staying away .. or have been with them and not leaving ..

[Faux Pas]

A typical example is his push for the yet unproven drug hydroxychloroquine.  From a 'could be a gamechanger' based on anecdotal evidence, a market was created. Trump's fallback CYA position: "What do you have to lose?"  Sounds more like a snake-oil salesman than a well-informed leader.  It is a gamble. If it works He can claim brilliance even with limited efficacy, but if not - well you didn't lose anything.  That's His game of Trump.

I see it differently BC. Hydroxychloroquine has shown effective in combating  covid in many of the cases when it's applied. It is a legal drug and has passed the FDA already for another illness. To tie it's application up in bureaucratic red tape now is insanity. A good leader would cut through that red tape and allow the doctors that wish to, to use it. He is doing just that. I'm with him and I too think it's madness of the media to pick a bone with his position on it. We have it, use it. Some of those 10K that have died might've wished they had it too

[Trenchcoat]

http://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do


"Stay at home
Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
Wash your hands as soon as you get home
Do not meet others, even friends or family.

You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms."

Specific to YOU:
"8. Can I visit elderly relatives?
No, you should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home."

Now, what part of those rules do you think you are 'exempt' from ...?

IF you try telling me you have a 'vulnerable' relative.. you should be staying away .. or have been with them and not leaving ..

You're reading into it all too rigidly Mobers. It basically comes down to whether what you are doing is spreading it or not. As I am socially isolated in Wales and during my travelling there is no extra risk.

[msmob]

You're reading into it all too rigidly Mobers. It basically comes down to whether what you are doing is spreading it or not. As I am socially isolated in Wales and during my travelling there is no extra risk.

You and BillyB seem to have the same 'thick as granite' gene ..

I'm applying it EXACTLY as intended ... YOU can be many of the asymptomatic carriers, you utter MUPPET ...  STAY at home and home means ONE place .. not gallivanting across S.Wales and SW England

You are a potential  Public health risk - period

 

[msmob]

I see it differently BC. Hydroxychloroquine has shown effective in combating  covid in many of the cases when it's applied. I

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for this form of Coronavirus , in spite  of scant and even conflicting evidence that it works / actually makes the situation worse for people with it.

French and UK studies have not found this to be a panacea...   

 

[Trenchcoat]

You and BillyB seem to have the same 'thick as granite' gene ..

I'm applying it EXACTLY as intended ... YOU can be many of the asymptomatic carriers, you utter MUPPET ...  STAY at home and home means ONE place .. not gallivanting across S.Wales and SW England

You are a potential  Public health risk - period

 

Mobe the government/some people have got it wrong when they say 'stay at home, protect lives'. That was just supposed to be the overriding message, it was not supposed to be taken literally. It was only ever supposed to mean 'stay at home as opposed to going out to socialise/meeting others' basically journey our that could end with spreading the virus. It was never meant to mean those travelling alone not to meet anyone. For me it is the equivalent of walking into another room of the house, since I meet no extra other people outside of the home and hence don't spread the risk. At some point some people grasped it to mean travelling full stop, but travelling in itself with not people contact won't spread the virus. Some people just take something said and just go galavanting off with it before engaging brain unfortunately

[Faux Pas]

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for this form of Coronavirus , in spite  of scant and even conflicting evidence that it works / actually makes the situation worse for people with it.

French and UK studies have not found this to be a panacea...   

Stay on topic and quit deflecting in an effort to display that you know what you are talking about because you clearly do not. It is this corona virus covid-19 we are discussing. Not other forms. French and UK studies mean exactly dick and not germane to this discussion. Ask the dying man if he'd like some?

[msmob]

Stay on topic and quit deflecting in an effort to display that you know what you are talking about because you clearly do not. It is this corona virus covid-19 we are discussing. Not other forms. French and UK studies mean exactly dick and not germane to this discussion. Ask the dying man if he'd like some?

Mr Mistake,

I'm 'sorry' but as you have no idea of my 'qualifications'  to bust your promoting a drug / combination of drugs that might make someones condition worse  ( and in most case, no better ) and the credentials of those in the French / UK trials as 'BOLLOX' ...   Then, I'll ask yours ?..

My biz involves micro monitoring kit (  leisure, healthcare  ) and my partners are a Russian MD, UK Microbiologist and retired surgeon - the latter combined having 65 years between them and having respected articles on Ebola .. and MERS ..having worked in Africa, Middle East, Indian sub continent ...


Sorry, the other guys are just a brilliant electronics expert and I ( the least qualified of the lot,) only got an Advanced level in Biology (specialising in Genetics )

I guess your 'qualifications' are,  "'Trampu' said it was good "..






 

[GQBlues]

I see it differently BC. Hydroxychloroquine has shown effective in combating  covid in many of the cases when it's applied. It is a legal drug and has passed the FDA already for another illness. To tie it's application up in bureaucratic red tape now is insanity. A good leader would cut through that red tape and allow the doctors that wish to, to use it. He is doing just that. I'm with him and I too think it's madness of the media to pick a bone with his position on it. We have it, use it. Some of those 10K that have died might've wished they had it too

Does it really matter with BC? Had it had been Obama saying this he’d be trumpeting what a fearless thing to say and would be saying what you just did.

 I mean read the messages here about leaders shouldn’t be changing their minds about anything and remain consistent. They all conveniently forget Obama’s consistency throughout his presidency. From calling the Cambridge cop an asshole, to incrimination both George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson before investigation/trials, keeping your doctors, ISIL being JV, redlines etc...

This have nothing to do with Trump, nor any of what he’s doing/done. Bottom line, regardless of what any AMERICAN think, he’s put the US on sound economic footing before this crisis came, and unlike places like Italy, we can rest assured we can at least rely on not having to be whored to China when all of these are over because our economy wasn’t already on ventilator made in China before the gift of Chinese virus came to town. 

That’s the bottom line.

[SteveInBoston]

Mobe the government/some people have got it wrong when they say 'stay at home, protect lives'. That was just supposed to be the overriding message, it was not supposed to be taken literally. It was only ever supposed to mean 'stay at home as opposed to going out to socialise/meeting others' basically journey our that could end with spreading the virus. It was never meant to mean those travelling alone not to meet anyone. For me it is the equivalent of walking into another room of the house, since I meet no extra other people outside of the home and hence don't spread the risk. At some point some people grasped it to mean travelling full stop, but travelling in itself with not people contact won't spread the virus. Some people just take something said and just go galavanting off with it before engaging brain unfortunately

Trench,

It literally means stay at home.  Scotland's Chief Medical Officer got dinged for doing what you did.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52177171

Dr Calderwood had earlier been given a police warning for breaking the lockdown rules after the Scottish Sun published photographs taken on Saturday of her and her family visiting Earlsferry in Fife - more than an hour's drive from her main family home in Edinburgh.

Fife location is the medical officer's second home.

[Gator]

Then you are selectively blind... [more partisan opinions]......[more partisan opinions]....   etc., etc.,

It gives me a strange sense of pleasure to prompt a 1,000 word rise from you....cheap thrills in this era of sequestering at home?

Although the issue was Trump's consistency/inconsistency, you instead erupted with a 1,000 words about your partisan opinions, all of which proved Trump has been mostly consistent.   

Hint:  when you are irritated, try to address the issue.   
 

[Ranetka]

..or one could wish to be ruled by dictatorships..

THEY have no deaths either .. Syria, Belarus, Turkmenistan

OR

nations where 'leaders' tell their people this is nothing to worry about ..

 “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”
On February 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle” while speaking at a press conference for his coronavirus task force. On Tuesday, he told reporters on Capitol Hill that coronavirus “will go away.” In late February, he speculated that warm weather would kill the virus and stop its spread. None of these statements are backed by science or infectious disease experts within his own administration"

Thank you, BillyB for drawing attention to those who tell us 'good news' ..

Belarus reported 13 deaths, Syria 2. And yes it is easier to control pandemic if you control the population, surely it is fairly obvious?

[msmob]

I checked yesterdays Who.int sitrep info...haven't looked today.

The countries I mentioned were all ZERO.

[Ranetka]

I checked yesterdays Who.int sitrep info...haven't looked today.

The countries I mentioned were all ZERO.

Would you like a link I use? It is www.coronavirus-monitor.ru

[Ranetka]

http://coronavirus-monitor.ru/[/url]


Should work now.

[BC]

I see it differently BC. Hydroxychloroquine has shown effective in combating  covid in many of the cases when it's applied. It is a legal drug and has passed the FDA already for another illness. To tie it's application up in bureaucratic red tape now is insanity. A good leader would cut through that red tape and allow the doctors that wish to, to use it. He is doing just that. I'm with him and I too think it's madness of the media to pick a bone with his position on it. We have it, use it. Some of those 10K that have died might've wished they had it too

My statement was an example of Trump's well err... tricknique.

I don't have any problem with any doctor prescribing this stuff to their patients, on or off label.   I do not agree with his push to announce it as 'could be a gamechanger' to the nation on the scant and anecdotal evidence that is available today, much less when he started promoting it.  It's great he has pushed FDA to free up avenues for the use of just about anything that might help including compassionate usage.  There are a number of interesting treatment candidates being developed and tested around the world. 

[Gator]

That feeds into the hypothesis expressed by many of His supporters that He is somehow smarter than us all, that somehow his 'wisdom' is infallible and beyond our means to comprehend and understand.

It is not 'wisdom.'  Trump's success derive more from working harder, faster, and longer than his opposition.  In other words, he  is relentless.   Further, and this rubs many people wrong, he uses tactics not generally seen in the theater of "war" being conducted. 

The above response is an explanation, not a justification. 
         

Or is it a self-preservation technique?  Going 'both ways' he can always refer back to the time he was right.

    That's an interesting way to phrase it.  Regarding COVID-19 he chooses to remind us repeatedly of his January ban of Chinese travel, but not to his early opinions that proved too optimistic.   The latter is done by reporters.    This is an example of his "me, me, me" style, and I don't like it.  I assert Hillary would have done the same, or would she say "What difference does it make.".   
 

A typical example is his push for the yet unproven drug hydroxychloroquine.  From a 'could be a gamechanger' based on anecdotal evidence, a market was created. Trump's fallback CYA position: "What do you have to lose?"  Sounds more like a snake-oil salesman than a well-informed leader.  It is a gamble. If it works He can claim brilliance even with limited efficacy, but if not - well you didn't lose anything.  That's His game of Trump.

Let's hope it works.  Yes?   

This is a doctor-patient decision, and more and more patients are electing to try the med.   

NYC today and yesterday has reported a decline in daily deaths while the number of daily new cases is flattening.   If anything, deaths should continue to increase after reaching the apex of daily new cases.   Is this a blip or due to some factor such as increased use of hydroxychloroquine? 

   

Ordered your supply yet? Maybe taking it already?

In America, it is not available OTC.  If I had symptoms, I would take it at a dosage thought prudent by my doctor.  Also, I would take it if I were a respiratory physician working in a NYC hospital. Some are.   Would you?

There are a ton of remedies being researched.  Why not just list them all and simply say that scientists are doing their damnedest find something that can kill this bug?.  No political gain in doing so.

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Hasn't Trump already mentioned we have a "rich pipeline" of drugs being investigated as vaccines, therapeutics, etc.   Certainly the Task Force has said such at the White House briefings.  America has the message.   

This post contains political content as a reply and is not intended to 'inject political partisanship' into this thread.

    I read this at the end, and did not change a word thinking my response is in the same spirit  (unlike my response to Moby). 

[Gator]

I do not agree with his push to announce it as 'could be a gamechanger' ...

You and CNN, who said its overuse could deprive meds from people who have malaria.   

The  theme of "possible gamechanger"  came last week  from a NYC infectious disease physician having positive results with 72 high-risk patients, most of whom have diabetes, etc., and none of whom had to be intubated.  The doctor used the phrase "beginning of the end."  I reported it here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24136.msg531173#msg531173

[GQBlues]

My statement was an example of Trump's well err... tricknique.

I don't have any problem with any doctor prescribing this stuff to their patients, on or off label.   I do not agree with his push to announce it as 'could be a gamechanger' to the nation on the scant and anecdotal evidence that is available today, much less when he started promoting it.  It's great he has pushed FDA to free up avenues for the use of just about anything that might help including compassionate usage.  There are a number of interesting treatment candidates being developed and tested around the world.

You obviously fully subscribed to CNN, BC, as I happen to have watched them engage in this discussion obsessively. Maybe take 10 and see things with better clarity. Trump never said anything other than this COULD BE a gamechanger based on anecdotal and other clinical reports where favorable results emerged. What the heck is wrong in 'trying' ANYTHING that already yielded good results. Even Dr. Fauci never said do not try it, nor did he ever disregard and/or dismissed the medication. As a scientist, he simply said before he can FULLY subscribe to anything, it needs to follow scientific protocol. Good. In the meantime, how much time will that take?

The drug has been around a while, so it won't kill anyone taking it - but based on 'some' testimonial and reports, it appears to 'help' with their condition. Why you have such a problem with this only tells me of your hate against Trump is politically driven. Methinks if put in a condition and you're about to expire, if the doctor offered this drug, I highly doubt you'd turn it down.

Good thing Trump or anyone from the task force haven't peddle this cure as well.

[GQBlues]

Mobe, the Italian government will be/is essentially bankrupt, it will default on all of its debts as there is now no way they can pay them. They were heavily indebt before this crisis, way more than this country, there will be no way they can pay their debts now. Think Greece but on a larger scale.

One of Italy's source of revenue is tourism. IIRC, it generates a bit less than 20% of their GDP. It'll be a few years before Italy can get back to where they were before the pandemic. Especially because of the pandemic. The Chinese can certainly help in this...They can and likely will, send hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to fill the void and 'support' Italy as part of their new partnership and dependency.

Their fashion industry, another good source of revenue, a good chunk of which is now owned by Chinese  companies.

The economic backlash of this pandemic will wreck havoc in every country's economy. The biggest question is how each country will rebound when all of this is over.

[BC]

You obviously fully subscribed to CNN, BC, as I happen to have watched them engage in this discussion obsessively. Maybe take 10 and see things with better clarity. Trump never said anything other than this COULD BE a gamechanger based on anecdotal and other clinical reports where favorable results emerged. What the heck is wrong in 'trying' ANYTHING that already yielded good results. Even Dr. Fauci never said do not try it, nor did he ever disregard and/or dismissed the medication. As a scientist, he simply said before he can FULLY subscribe to anything, it needs to follow scientific protocol. Good. In the meantime, how much time will that take?

GQ,

Did I not state 'could be' in my posts?  and 'I don't have any problem with any doctor prescribing this stuff to their patients, on or off label.'  Seems you are shooting from the hip and your aim is a bit off.

[GQBlues]

No, I'm not shooting from the hip, you are for getting as riled up about this matter as CNN.

If you never had any problem with Trump promoting use of the medication, then what exactly IS your issue other than the obvious effect of CNN in your psyche?

[Faux Pas]

My statement was an example of Trump's well err... tricknique.

I don't have any problem with any doctor prescribing this stuff to their patients, on or off label.   I do not agree with his push to announce it as 'could be a gamechanger' to the nation on the scant and anecdotal evidence that is available today, much less when he started promoting it.  It's great he has pushed FDA to free up avenues for the use of just about anything that might help including compassionate usage.  There are a number of interesting treatment candidates being developed and tested around the world.

Semantics. I haven't seen his push to announce it as a gamechanger. I've heard him discuss it in his daily briefings but far from promoting it. He said he wants it available. Maybe he did and I missed it but, the fact remains it is an approved drug for malaria and 'some' doctors are finding it useful specifically with some older patients with covid when not much else is working. IMO it should be left up to the doctors and there for them to use without waiting on any further testing or approval from medical journals or the MSM. Also IMO it doesn't even warrant discussion of whether it should be administered unless it is from the doctors on the front line of whom would administer it

[BC]

You and CNN, who said its overuse could deprive meds from people who have malaria.   

The  theme of "possible gamechanger"  came last week  from a NYC infectious disease physician having positive results with 72 high-risk patients, most of whom have diabetes, etc., and none of whom had to be intubated.  The doctor used the phrase "beginning of the end."  I reported it here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24136.msg531173#msg531173

My thoughts are based on reading the reports of how these limited tests were performed along with published results.  I am a fan of the scientific method.  I do hope double-blind testing shows positive results.  These do however take time, thus as I replied to GQ I don't have anything against any MD prescribing it, even for off label use.