Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Trip Reports => Topic started by: japtats on December 13, 2020, 08:32:41 AM
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So a lot has happened since i last posted. I am in a relationship, the woman is pretty much living with me. We get on well, she is very submissive, she was with guys before that, how do you put it..... Not dominant? She cooks, cleans, and works, she is supporting me a lot. And it it the type of relationship i need. Only thing is she doesn't go to the gym, but she is willing to do so. She actually had a lot of motivation when she was younger, to do sports.
At the moment , she says she has no idea what to do regards to weightlifting. I will take her to the gym with me when i return hopefully near new years. See how she goes with respect to that, but if all is well. I at the moment, see no issues. It is a strong male/female gender roles, which i prefer ,only because i need to focus on my stuff at the moment.
I did buy her a subscription for a site to get resources to teach english (she teaches english), which she appreciated a lot. We discussed what i need from a woman, and her needs from a man. And we sort of understand one another, no false fallacies, she understands if she doesn't do her end, i will be gone. She and others, understand i am very serious about what i want from life.
I had a woman recently tell me she was scared of me, because what i want, she would have to be a perfect wife, some women cannot handle the standards i have. They are 20, young and beautiful, cruising through life, whereas i am a guy work 100 hours a week , fighting for what i want from life. And they realise , i am not going to skip through life blind folded.
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So a lot has happened since i last posted. I am in a relationship, the woman is pretty much living with me. We get on well, she is very submissive, she was with guys before that, how do you put it..... Not dominant? She cooks, cleans, and works, she is supporting me a lot.
....It is a strong male/female gender roles, which i prefer ,only because i need to focus on my stuff at the moment.
....whereas i am a guy work 100 hours a week , fighting for what i want from life.
Given what you stated about yourself, and what you want, this is the type of lady that could enhance your life. Good luck,
Fathertime!
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Given what you stated about yourself, and what you want, this is the type of lady that could enhance your life. Good luck,
Fathertime!
Thanks. I told her the same thing , it is an easy going relationship, without so many complexes , which makes things easier to deal with
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it is the type of relationship i need. Only thing is she doesn't go to the gym,
The enemy of excellence is perfection. A lot of people passed over excellent people in search for perfection and they end up with neither excellence nor perfection.
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in search for perfection and they end up with neither excellence nor perfection.
If you find the perfect relationship, don't enter it or it will no longer be perfect...
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The enemy of excellence is perfection. A lot of people passed over excellent people in search for perfection and they end up with neither excellence nor perfection.
Well said, and something i am trying to figure out, where exactly is the line? Something i discussed with her, is i need time, time to see her actions. She is very serious about settling down, starting a family, residing a family in Ukraine.
ANyways, we went shopping today, i wanted to do a shop to get her some things, as a thankyou for her efforts taking care of me. She was looking for cheap clothing, i told her, to get something she actually likes. She eneded up getting a skirt, and a matching jumper, some stockings , cost me around $30. I got a shirt, funny thing is, everyone was staring at me when i took off my blazer, my girlfriend was laughing and telling me, and i saw it, one of the female clerks was following me around, eye me.
We went to a blazer shop, no prices, i asked price of an overcoat, he told me $1000, had a bit of fur, i asked the price for the other, same thing. Basically guy was hustling me , he knew i was foreign as i was talking in english. I had it happen before. i went to another store, saw a overcoat , around $275, had a price tag , i liked it, they said they will give it to me for $240 (6700uah), i told my girlfriend, tell them $180 (5000uah ) and i will take it now, so she did. THey went on the phone to the boss, i whispered to her, they will come back and say $200 (5500 uah) , you tell them no, $180 (5000uah), she was confused, they returned said $200 (5500 uah), at this point she is at shock, she says ' he says no , 5000), they say okay. she was stunned, saying she needs me in her life.
We go for dinner after, most places close 10pm. We order some food, waitress gives us 3 forks, i asked for a knife , she made a big deal out of it. We paid around 500uah, cost of the meal was 469uah, i ask my gf how to say 'change' russian. I told the waitress in russian 'privet, (change in russian)'. My girlfriend was shocked, but i told her there is no way i am tipping someone who messes with me because they make a mistake giving a fork instead of a knife.
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Well said, and something i am trying to figure out, where exactly is the line? Something i discussed with her, is i need time, time to see her actions. She is very serious about settling down, starting a family, residing a family in Ukraine.
Start with finding a quality woman. Throughout life we continue to grow and some people will grow in the wrong direction. A good person is less likely to grow in the wrong direction. I complimented my wife a few weeks ago about how she's growing in the right direction and with the greater respect I have for her, it strengthens our bond and marriage. Regardless of who you decide to marry, she can change but hopefully for the better. How you take care of your wife and your marriage will influence which direction your wife grows.
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And it it the type of relationship i need. Only thing is she doesn't go to the gym
At the moment , she says she has no idea what to do regards to weightlifting. I will take her to the gym with me when i return hopefully near new years.
She sounds like a good one Japs and very probably the one to go for. When I used to go down the gym before the virus kicked off I noticed while some women use weights a lot of women just stick to the running machines and toning exercises. For women I think the running machines and toning exercises are ideal, they give the woman a lovely toned look (the ones who do it regularly of course) a nice flat stomach, shapely body and no visible fat on their arms , legs, body - supple but not muscular.
The women who lifted weights however, well some had small amounts of muscle and they looked fine but not quite as good in my opinion as the toned girls perhaps. The women that worked out on weights a lot where in my opinion too muscular for women, not bodybuilding freaky muscular but I just don't think obvious muscles go well on a girl past a certain point. So I like the well toned girly bods more I guess and possibly it might be something easier for your girl to get with if she doesn't take to the weights too well.
Anyway, I've come around on the tattoo thing, I think it could work very well for you, I was skeptical at first but it can sometimes be better to appeal to a smaller number of girls with very little competition than a lot of girls with a lot of competition I guess. I'm still not sure as to long term as I have no idea or experience in that but I assume it could work out well enough. Does your new girl dig the tats?
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Japtats - I read, with some interest, the part about the 3 forks episode.
I can tell you with 100 % certainty, when that is discussed with whomever she's bouncing the thought of you off, and trust me, there will be someone, the final analysis of that will forget the 3 forks and focus on the resistance to tipping - "greedy" roughly translates to mean. This will be the feedback she'll get....
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I edited the post, the second blazer store had tags on all their clothing. Hence it was actually 7700uah initially
Japtats - I read, with some interest, the part about the 3 forks episode.
I can tell you with 100 % certainty, when that is discussed with whomever she's bouncing the thought of you off, and trust me, there will be someone, the final analysis of that will forget the 3 forks and focus on the resistance to tipping - "greedy" roughly translates to mean. This will be the feedback she'll get....
She has been with me only A bit , she will see me tip others . But she can tell I don't like to lose and no push over . She wants a dominant man , she complained an ex would give money away as he was a pushover to police hustling. I told her I wouldn't fight the police, but at this instance, I wanted to make it clear to her and myself, nobody messes with me and gets a tip.
I am a pretty dominant and kind guy , both in life and sex, who likes to win and she gets it well. It wasn't about the money and she knows it, it was about the disrespect
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She sounds like a good one Japs and very probably the one to go for. When I used to go down the gym before the virus kicked off I noticed while some women use weights a lot of women just stick to the running machines and toning exercises. For women I think the running machines and toning exercises are ideal, they give the woman a lovely toned look (the ones who do it regularly of course) a nice flat stomach, shapely body and no visible fat on their arms , legs, body - supple but not muscular.
The women who lifted weights however, well some had small amounts of muscle and they looked fine but not quite as good in my opinion as the toned girls perhaps. The women that worked out on weights a lot where in my opinion too muscular for women, not bodybuilding freaky muscular but I just don't think obvious muscles go well on a girl past a certain point. So I like the well toned girly bods more I guess and possibly it might be something easier for your girl to get with if she doesn't take to the weights too well.
Anyway, I've come around on the tattoo thing, I think it could work very well for you, I was skeptical at first but it can sometimes be better to appeal to a smaller number of girls with very little competition than a lot of girls with a lot of competition I guess. I'm still not sure as to long term as I have no idea or experience in that but I assume it could work out well enough. Does your new girl dig the tats?
Long post. , Which is great , I will respond in time when I got a bit more time to write something long and a bit meaningful
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The enemy of excellence is perfection. A lot of people passed over excellent people in search for perfection and they end up with neither excellence nor perfection.
Indeed we all have flaws but youth often makes one believe that the grass is always greener. I over looked many a good lass in my younger days because I was looking for the holy grail. As I got older, I understood that some of the things I considered to be important in a partner had changed and a few of those girls would have been great partners.
That's the risk we have settling with a younger lady too. I met my wife when she was 19, almost 10 years ago and we've both grown and changed but thankfully the love and respect remains.
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Long post. , Which is great , I will respond in time when I got a bit more time to write something long and a bit meaningful
That's ok Japs, no problem, I know that when busy stuff happens it's got to be done.
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She sounds like a good one Japs and very probably the one to go for.
I think she is the person i need, we been living together for maybe 4 days now. Everything is very calm and relaxing, no misunderstandings, and feels like we are both happy with each other, our roles and such.
Anyway, I've come around on the tattoo thing, I think it could work very well for you, I was skeptical at first but it can sometimes be better to appeal to a smaller number of girls with very little competition than a lot of girls with a lot of competition I guess. I'm still not sure as to long term as I have no idea or experience in that but I assume it could work out well enough. Does your new girl dig the tats?
THe store i was in had around 20 customers in, most of the people were glaring at me , because i actually do look pretty good with my look. It is very unique in Ukraine. It is rare to find someone like myself here, with a body tattoo suit? Very rare, and in my profession? Rare , very rare.
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One of my ex's in Ukraine, keeps messaging me , even after 6 months.SHe later asked if i wanted her, she is getting married soon, but deleted the conversation. Why? Same reason why women fall for me when they meet me, peel away tattoos, muscles etc, you get other layers, what i do for a living, my philosophy is actions not words. I am a rare breed in Ukraine, very rare. One of the clerks in the store was eying me proper, and my gf saw and was smiling, i told her, the girl was attracted to me, but i asked her, what do you think she would feel if she knew the whole package? I think that is what separates me from rest of the guys here, guys that make money, all they know is how to make money, guys who go gym, all they know is how to lift weights, very few people actually dominate multiple things.
I believe we live in a really exciting world, but a lot of people are really lazy, and busy making excuses. Why i like this woman, is she supports me, so i can be the best man i can be. This is the prime reason why i like her around me, she is making me a machine. I can work at 2am, and she is making me a coffeee, sex is great for both of us, we are getting what we want from each other.
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So things are going well. She has been a great help in supporting me with my work, she is eager to join the gym and she can tell a healthy lifestyle and looking good , is something i am passionate about for myself, and the person i am with. She needs me to train her, which isn't an issue, but i am still finishing up my tattoos.
My productivity has gone up, and at the same time, we manage to spend a lot of time together, because she takes care of the cooking, cleaning, little odd chores like ordering me clothes and such. It is a good situation for me and herself.
I found out she also was ahead of her age for academics, she knows coding, and a bit of data science. She has been pushing me to pursue my masters, Astrophysics, i have a passion for it, which i want to do , but i lack time, she said she would support me through it, and i can do it after i finish my tattoos. I needed someone who can push me forward, she has offered to help with my business for creating video adverts, seems like she wants to actively help me , rather than most women i dated, wanted me to be the man, and they were lazy.
It is early days, and i am a bit more focused on my work than her, trying to develop myself as a person. But i think as time goes on, she goes to the gym, and we grow together. I can be more open/vulnerable to her, and we can pursue marriage and kids. Something she wants also.
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Yesterday she went to her friends home, and she came back saying she is ready to start a family with me , when i am ready. I find it comfortable being with her, she seems good, but i need to see her actions. January 9th i will do my last tattoo session, and then probably around late janaury, i will return to the gym. We know what days we will go to the gym together, if she manages to stick to fitness, support me and such, i see no issues with being with her.
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She is ready to start a family with you after a total of what, a month of living together? No offense, but she sounds very stable. ::)
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She is ready to start a family with you after a total of what, a month of living together? No offense, but she sounds very stable. ::)
We actually met a week ago , and she moved in the same day . She told her friend she is moving out , and moving in with me . I am the second guy she has lived with. She told her friend I tick the boxes she wants in a man , she has also told me I am aa healthy narcissistic person.
She understands me well and what she sees she likes . Not many men actually work at 2am improving their skills , she values those qualities in a man , and I do look good 😉
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We actually met a week ago , and she moved in the same day .
I doubt advice would be considered, so, I'll just leave this here.
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I doubt advice would be considered, so, I'll just leave this here.
Same with most women i date when they get their hooks into me. I mean, what is the alternative? How many men go to the gym, look good, are serious about their passions in work? Not many, so when you find something good you hold onto it.
There are a lot of Romeos that talk about how deep their love is for their partners, but actual men who grab the bull by its horns (life), are rare, very rare indeed. Most men these days are weak, and i don't mean because they don't achieve, i mean because they don't even try. Just lazy, each time i hear a fsuw talk about their ex it is along the lines of 'he did x, but after few weeks gave up', fitness, work, it is all the same, just give up.
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We actually met a week ago , and she moved in the same day
Why am I thinking we're having our collective chain thoroughly yanked....🤔
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Deadly serious, what is the alternative for them to date? This girl also wanted a family with me, like many others. I am confident that if most people meet the person for them, starting a life with them is no issue, as long as they have some money. Everything else is background noise. The alternative is wasting their time with some guys that are great at talking, but spend their time drinking and feeling sorry for themselves as they couldn't get their dream job, and too lazy to improve themselves in any form (work, going gym etc).
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I discussed this with a few people. But essentially , what is a marriage? Isn't a marriage just a legal contract? Not much of a commitment for a woman to leave her home country , marry a foreigner , go live abroad , pursue a career etc
I remember.my ex fiance told me of her boyfriends ex wife . Cheated on home and went to Cyprus to have a kid with him . She is happy.
I think the biggest commitment isn't marriage, but deciding who you would raise a family with.
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I discussed this with a few people. But essentially , what is a marriage? Isn't a marriage just a legal contract? Not much of a commitment for a woman to leave her home country , marry a foreigner , go live abroad , pursue a career etc
I remember.my ex fiance told me of her boyfriends ex wife . Cheated on home and went to Cyprus to have a kid with him . She is happy.
I think the biggest commitment isn't marriage, but deciding who you would raise a family with.
No, it isn't just a legal contract. Until you truly understand that you really should stay away from committing to woman for anything. Sow your oats if that's what you need. At different stages in life you'll find you have different needs and it truly sounds at this stage in your life, you have no need or desire to commit to a woman, just more of a want. Hopefully when you actually do have that desire, you can find your soulmate and actually do it. I'm not trying to rain on your parade here. Hopefully just inject a bit of reality into the picture.
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No, it isn't just a legal contract. Until you truly understand that you really should stay away from committing to woman for anything. Sow your oats if that's what you need. At different stages in life you'll find you have different needs and it truly sounds at this stage in your life, you have no need or desire to commit to a woman, just more of a want. Hopefully when you actually do have that desire, you can find your soulmate and actually do it. I'm not trying to rain on your parade here. Hopefully just inject a bit of reality into the picture.
According to my Uni Law Lecturer off a few years ago with decades off experience marriage is just a legal contract detailing the mainly financial obligations one has to each other. Generally that is the financial obligations the man has to the woman. She reckoned that few people understood that all is what marriage is when they get married. That kind of drived it home to me as I like many thought of all the romantic connotations of it, but in truth when you strip that all away you are just left with a financial legal contract that is enforceable. All of the marriage vows while supposedly should be when seriously and honoured for life aren't enforceable and can be quickly forgotten about or laid to one side by heated arguments. The romantic notion of it all I think is kind of covertly undermined by the signing of the marriage that forms the financial legal contract. It's why I don't particularly put much faith in marriage to me it should be about the romantic stuff and vows alone without any financial contract. The financial contract part just skews it into something where there is a kind of shackling up that is kind of contrary to two people being together through love and choice.
Of course marriages can be gotten out off quite readily these days and that brings a whole new facet to them. To my mind if you change one thing even if quite a small change in a device like marriage it can change the whole way the marriage was originally intended to be used for and that can blow up into some big issues sometimes I reckon.
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I discussed it with women and they agreed it is just a contract. Effective for when a spouse wants move to the other person's home country, my girlfriend last night said it shows there is a financial responsibility .
Marriage itself isn't a big commitment when compared to starting a family.
Again everything I said is purely theoretical, obviously some people past the age to have kids .some are more interested on moving to the west and becoming independent, but I wouldn't say that is interest in their partner, but more of the interest of moving to the west for the financial benefits.
Faux sadly couldn't put together something to contribute and relies on character assassinations . I just noticed that getting married to FSU woman , isn't really hard , getting someone to decide to make a life long commitment on the other hand is
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Faux sadly couldn't put together something to contribute and relies on character assassinations . I just noticed that getting married to FSU woman , isn't really hard , getting someone to decide to make a life long commitment on the other hand is
In no way did I assassinate your character. There are some facts of life you seem to joyously ignore when it fits your narrative. I'm not going to lube up for your circle jerk as you seem to have a need that all posters agree with you. I stated a few facts for your consideration and frankly, I wouldn't give 2 sh!ts if you listen to them or not. Marriage is "only" a legal contract if the participants agree prior that is only a legal contract. For most couples marriage is a commitment and also for most couples (at least half anyway) when they get married they are committed to each other. Sure you can commit to each other without marriage and at the first sign of inconvenience split the sheets. That's not commitment.
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Marriage is not merely a contract. It is a sacrament in the Orthodox and Catholic churches, for example, binding couples together in eternity.
Faux sadly couldn't put together something to contribute and relies on character assassinations . I just noticed that getting married to FSU woman , isn't really hard , getting someone to decide to make a life long commitment on the other hand is
There was no character assassination. His post was measured, and accurate.
We actually met a week ago , and she moved in the same day . She told her friend she is moving out , and moving in with me . I am the second guy she has lived with. She told her friend I tick the boxes she wants in a man , she has also told me I am aa healthy narcissistic person.
She understands me well and what she sees she likes . Not many men actually work at 2am improving their skills , she values those qualities in a man , and I do look good
She understands nothing. One cannot know another person in a week. The very statement is absurd.
Come back to me in 25 years. Then I'll take your statement seriously.
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Marriage is not merely a contract. It is a sacrament in the Orthodox and Catholic churches, for example, binding couples together in eternity.
Padlocks on bridges do something similar , tattoos with each others name.
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She understands nothing. One cannot know another person in a week. The very statement is absurd.
She and others before her just are used to men banging on tables saying they are the man of the house, but are one dimensional. They give up on certain things they want , talk a lot.
We live in a generation where a lot of people are simply boring. They are only good In one area , few are multifunctional.
When I was broke and engaged , my fiance admired that I didn't give up on stuff.even how bad things got , I just continued working on stuff. I think it is the most attractive trait in people, well for me it is. I prefer people who talk less do more with their actions , and stick to something more than a few weeks.
I think it is the reason why I do like the person I am with now , she is hard working , she has energy to develop, but she needed a man to sort of guide her. In her own words I make her feel like a woman.
I am attracted to energetic people with good traits to sustain this energy , rather than a pretty face , which fades quickly with time. Without good energy , it is all a waste
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Padlocks on bridges do something similar , tattoos with each others name.
Way to miss the point completely. Padlocks rust. Tattoos fade. Sacraments, for those who believe, are eternal. But, that wasn't my point. My point was that marriage is more than just a legal contract. This was but one example.
She and others before her just are used to men banging on tables saying they are the man of the house, but are one dimensional. They give up on certain things they want , talk a lot.
Yeah. Sure. At 2:21 is for you.
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We live in a generation where a lot of people are simply boring. They are only good In one area , few are multifunctional.
Riiiight. Your generation is so much different than all preceding ones.
When I was broke and engaged , my fiance admired that I didn't give up on stuff.even how bad things got , I just continued working on stuff. I think it is the most attractive trait in people, well for me it is. I prefer people who talk less do more with their actions , and stick to something more than a few weeks.
Why do you think you are so unique? No offense, but you don't have all the answers, and sometimes, when I read your posts, I think you don't even know the question.
I think it is the reason why I do like the person I am with now , she is hard working , she has energy to develop, but she needed a man to sort of guide her. In her own words I make her feel like a woman.
You don't know her. So you make her "feel like a woman" in the entire one week (going on to two now) that you've been together?
Look, UW know how to manipulate men. All of this talk about how wonderful you are has one purpose, and it's all about manipulation. You've fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
Bowing out now, as this is really like a bird talking to a fish.
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Marriage is not merely a contract. It is a sacrament in the Orthodox and Catholic churches, for example, binding couples together in eternity.
Yeah that reminds me of the first girl I met in Kiev from Mariupol. Before meeting I messaged her with her thoughts on Marriage just to get an idea of where she stood, civil or church. I was shocked when she replied back that if she got married in an Orthodox Church that you are considered bound to each other forever even after death - that it is eternal. She was pretty into her Orthodox faith though may not have necessarily gone all the time. Anyway she was so serious about this that she deemed it not something to get into lightly. I think she may have had a preference for a civil wedding as a result as she literally believed the above and if of course she got into a marriage with anyone that she thought she may not be totally into forever more then she wouldn't want to be bound by that.
I think it depends on how devout they are though, Kherson girl wore a big wooden cross when in Kiev but I'm not sure if she was as devout as the first girl, my thoughts were most probably not so.
So that said it's kind of a strange one, in the mind of the first girl if she went for an Orthodox marriage she would be stuck in it. Even if she got a divorce she would be held to it in the afterlife. I think she regarded it that divorces were impossible under it anyway, I think, it was a while back now.
So do we class being held in a marriage by the above as more than the financial contract. I suspect that some Orthodox people do indeed get divorced or while one may not the other one does. In concrete terms I don't think it necessarily gives more than a contract but if both of the couple are so devout as to stake the whole of who they are on it in the religious eternal sense then I guess it can be.
I'm assuming here though Japs isn't talking about a devoutly Orthodox religious marriage, unless I'm mistaken?
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Look, UW know how to manipulate men.
I never heard of such a thing !!!
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According to my Uni Law Lecturer off a few years ago with decades off experience marriage is just a legal contract detailing the mainly financial obligations one has to each other. Generally that is the financial obligations the man has to the woman. She reckoned that few people understood that all is what marriage is when they get married. That kind of drived it home to me as I like many thought of all the romantic connotations of it, but in truth when you strip that all away you are just left with a financial legal contract that is enforceable. All of the marriage vows while supposedly should be when seriously and honoured for life aren't enforceable and can be quickly forgotten about or laid to one side by heated arguments. The romantic notion of it all I think is kind of covertly undermined by the signing of the marriage that forms the financial legal contract. It's why I don't particularly put much faith in marriage to me it should be about the romantic stuff and vows alone without any financial contract. The financial contract part just skews it into something where there is a kind of shackling up that is kind of contrary to two people being together through love and choice.
Of course marriages can be gotten out off quite readily these days and that brings a whole new facet to them. To my mind if you change one thing even if quite a small change in a device like marriage it can change the whole way the marriage was originally intended to be used for and that can blow up into some big issues sometimes I reckon.
So Trench, I take it you won’t be getting married anytime soon as you’re so scared of being taken to the cleaners when your ‘future wife’ trades you in for a better, younger richer model.
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My last tattoo session will be on 28th dec, my girlfriend and other told me it would be best for my health. My tattoo master is amazed i managed to do 3 sessions per a week for last 3 to 4 months, most people could only do once every 3 weeks, but i drink a lot of broccoli juice and eat a lot off boiled garlic, so i think that contributed to my health. I will be switching to once every month tattoo sessions. I will be returning to the gym around late January.
I should be in Ukraine till March or so. I have some issues back home, that i will need to sort out. It has been stressful as a tenant owes me a lot of money, my brother said he and his friends will rush in to the property early january, and get him to leave in a few days. Not the best situation, but last situation like this i will deal with. I plan selling the property, invest in index funds, and not play chase with tenants, unfortunately rental laws are against landlords these days, a lot of people are selling up. and i just want to focus on my business, and expand my business.
It will take me 2 months to sell, after which me and my girlfriend discussed going to Turkey, before i will be able to return to ukraine (3 month delay from last visit before i can return legally). I like to go to also Thailand, or Malaysia, we are just throwing around ideas for now, and enjoy the time we have together for now before i return to home.
The girl i am with is great, she helps keep me relax, cooks, cleans, makes me lunch for tattoo sessions. We can talk about Quantum Theory , Astronomy and such, she is intelligent, and finds my work somewhat interesting, which is a bonus. It is a good relationship for myself, i can relax and develop. I want to and will start next year with a new page, this year has had a lot of changes, go to the FSU, business changes, i think me and my fiance split last year around this time last time , it has a been a chaotic but good year.
Some trivial stuff, my girlfriend now orders our shopping, they deliver it for free if it is over 250uah , 40min delivery time, and they bring it to your door. I love Ukraine hahaha
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We did an STI test today for me and my girlfriend, both came back clean within few hours. I strongly suggest people get tested when entering a relationship, we had members here who have caught stuff. Test for two people would be around $40, and tests for various things. Do not listen to people regarding themselves getting check regularly, i had someone lie to me before about their testing. I discussed this with Ukrainian men, and women are eager for unprotected sex, i had such women eager for it also, luckily i use protection. Please stay safe, i suggest bringing condoms from the west, two reasons, they are cheaper, and also some of the brands you find in Russia/Ukraine are not designed for the penis size of western men (The penis size is small in FSU).
Me and my gf later went shopping for gym shoes, we will go gym today, we spent a total of $15 for two cheap pairs. I joked with her that is she manages to squat 120kg for reps, and bench press 80kg for reps, we can have a kid. She said she could do it easily, previously she was an active gym goer, had a good body, but dated a TUrkish guy in Ukraine, when she moved to Turkey with him, his family and him didn't allow her to go to the gym. I really hate these weak males, he also did other stuff also, but like i said, sadly there are weak men that beat and control women.
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We went to the gym yesterday, it was great fun for the both of us, we did a 10min warmup , then straight to weightlifting for the both of us. I had a 4 month break due to tattoos, managed to retain 70% of my strength, she did great , we worked on her form. We will go again today, we are both sore, it will take a bit of time to get used to it. The guys in the gym, are typical, far from what i find in the West, guys here are mostly out of shape , i joked with her that in 3months i will be running stuff in the gym, there was 1 guy out of 15 that looked good.
Yesterday my tenant rang me randomly and paid 50% of what he owes, which was a big stress relief, it seems like hopefully i can reside in the FSU for longer and not need to sort out stuff back at home. I was going to give my house to my brother and his friends for a few months for free, if they kick the guy out, but we are rethinking if it is worth it , and probably just will let him stay if he keeps payments up, and clears what he owes.
He spent nearly $90k opening a chicken and chip shop, hence why he wasn't make payments, but since opening, money has been coming in , and gradually clearing what he owes. I didn't get rent for a few months. Now i can relax, focus on my other business, and not play chase with this tenant
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My girlfriends father died today, he drowned cycling on a frozen lake. She leaves tomorrow, I gave her some money so she doesn't need to worry for a bit and stops working for a little while. Till she gets everything together
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My girlfriends father died today, he drowned cycling on a frozen lake. She leaves tomorrow, I gave her some money so she doesn't need to worry for a bit and stops working for a little while. Till she gets everything together
That was shocking to read Japs, must be truly awful for her. I hate it when people that we care about pass on particularly if it is sudden and unexpected. Kind of carry on assuming everything is ok then to hear news like that must be horrible. I hope she manages ok and you get to see her again soon.
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That was shocking to read Japs, must be truly awful for her. I hate it when people that we care about pass on particularly if it is sudden and unexpected. Kind of carry on assuming everything is ok then to hear news like that must be horrible. I hope she manages ok and you get to see her again soon.
It was a sudden thing, as everything between us was going well,a lot of things were going well.outside the relationship. We were both clean of diseases, my tenant is paying again, we are going gym together, and I told someone yesterday how well everything is going in my life.
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She said she wants to return within a few days , the issue is caring for her mother. I told her to give all what she earns to her mum , forget about her apartment, and accelerate moving in with me. She is happy I am around to support her, I think the mother situation is something money could fix , she doesn't want to live in the village her mum does
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This story is becoming more fanciful by the day.....🤔
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This story is becoming more fanciful by the day.....🤔
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This story is becoming more fanciful by the day.....🤔
Someone lost their father.
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She returns in two days , and then has a month to decide on what to do with her mother. I feel bad for her , but same time I feel a lot of responsibility for her now. People are pushing her to live with the mother , but she doesn't want to , and I feel like it is my fault , hence why I feel responsible.she is and has put a lot of effort into the relationship , which I am thankful for , but I feel like I am losing my freedom , which is scary
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My ex from i think 7 months ago got married. I called with her, and she showed me their apartment, his suit, her wedding dress etc I was a bit shocked that she actually got married. We spoke for maybe 15mins, before he was knocking on the door (went food shopping). My girlfriend returns today.
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Girlfriend returned for new years eve, left today to return home for a few days. Everything went really well, we been going gym together, she e en woke up 7:30am with less than 5 hour sleep, so we could go to the gym together. We went to eat at a French place yesterday, we had issues with it before, as the place they gave us before was terrible, ended up leaving and going to a sushi place. This time they gave us a nice place, our food however was an issue, first meal took 15mins, fine, but our other two dishes were delayed. I ended up getting angry, calling the waiter to come to my girlfriend so i could translate ' W the f''cuk is the food??', my girlfriend was about to laugh, they were on the phone checking what happened, but the place we went has many floors , and there was a big order for many people, our food came 3mins later, goodnight, nice people, so we tipped never the less.
Some of her friends added me on instagram, they seem to have already known me , and probably read my tinder bio before. She told them positive stuff about me , and some joined tinder now hahaha.
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Ukraine goes in lockdown on the 8th , gyms will shut .I may bribe gym owner, or stick to home workouts . Everything resumes end of January
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Ukraine goes in lockdown on the 8th , gyms will shut .I may bribe gym owner, or stick to home workouts . Everything resumes end of January
Guessing you can thank the UK for that, official virus numbers behave been falling in Ukraine but if the second strain makes it out there I guess it would soon take off. I possibly think there might be some truth about the lower infection and death rate in Ukraine. When you consider there aren't nearly as many fatties as in the west, that people walk more and generally eat healthier, endure cold winters without much heating and are more sparely populated, then I think that could all come into play.
Now I don't know about you but I tend to find that some days I just don't feel in the mood for gym, that's when I went. I know it's best to avoid being tired out to get that feeling but even occasionally when not I have felt not in the mood to go down and out myself through the routine. That I find can sometimes turn into a longer period away from the gym than I had intended. Since the first lockdown I have got a couple of pieces of home gym in, a dumbbell bench and a rowing machine, cheap versions but decent enough. So far though I have been too busy to use them which I really hate, kind of want to get around to it soon though.
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Guessing you can thank the UK for that, official virus numbers behave been falling in Ukraine but if the second strain makes it out there I guess it would soon take off. I possibly think there might be some truth about the lower infection and death rate in Ukraine. When you consider there aren't nearly as many fatties as in the west, that people walk more and generally eat healthier, endure cold winters without much heating and are more sparely populated, then I think that could all come into play.
Now I don't know about you but I tend to find that some days I just don't feel in the mood for gym, that's when I went. I know it's best to avoid being tired out to get that feeling but even occasionally when not I have felt not in the mood to go down and out myself through the routine. That I find can sometimes turn into a longer period away from the gym than I had intended. Since the first lockdown I have got a couple of pieces of home gym in, a dumbbell bench and a rowing machine, cheap versions but decent enough. So far though I have been too busy to use them which I really hate, kind of want to get around to it soon though.
I believe ukraine had a higher death vs population ratio than the UK. We found a gym, pay 300uah for both of us each time we want to visit. I like the gym, i start to feel like crap not going for a long period of time. I am especially enjoying it with my girlfriend, we follow same gym workout, and work as a team together. She is doing very well, and i am impressed.
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I believe ukraine had a higher death vs population ratio than the UK. We found a gym, pay 300uah for both of us each time we want to visit. I like the gym, i start to feel like crap not going for a long period of time. I am especially enjoying it with my girlfriend, we follow same gym workout, and work as a team together. She is doing very well, and i am impressed.
I kind of like the gym when I'm down there it's just beforehand sometimes, sometimes I'm not in the mood at all. Often I will push myself to go when like that and end up pleased I went at the end of a session. Still occasionally the mood not to go is too great and I miss it. Not sure how to sort that out. The gym I go to is £20 for the whole month so long as I pay for about 7 or 8 months up front so is a pretty good deal. It means I can go as often as I like and as it's a sports centre use other facilities. It's an 80s built sports centre so still quite decent inside & out. I think the local authority still own it but the YMCA run it.
Anyway, you going with your girl seems a good thing, if you both get enjoyment out of it then it can be good for both of you. I'm not sure but I get the feeling I need to kind of link the gym going to something for it to really mean something, kind of drive me if you know what I mean. I'll have to give more thought to it and see if I can find some way to crack it. Like you say though it doesn't feel great after letting it drift a bit and becoming a bit out of shape.
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Well we went to the gym today , our last session was Friday I think, we did a few homework outs, bribed the gym people to let us in. We will go a few times a week , as I booked myself some work during weekdays as I didn't know if we would find a gym to go to. Three times a week to the gym, the rest working out at home
I do some pushups , straight to handstand push-ups, she then jumps on my back and I do some squats ,🤣 we have fun working out together, and she is as eager as me.
We had a bit of a upset today . I said something I shouldn't have unintentionally and it pissed her off , but it was to be expected, we spent a month together 24/7.
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So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.
My gf and the girl have been communicating, i am sort of left out hahahaha. Me and my gf are going well, gym is going really well, i have quickly gained most of my muscle back. I switched to a fruit and meat diet, i need to lower my calories, i am too big. I have a lot of muscle already but seems like my body fat is too high.
I was also communicating with a 40 year old Italian guy in the city i am in. He runs a model agency, but he is into paying for women, sugar babes etc It is really easy to talk to him, he is a down to earth guy, no ego just says it how it is, fairly good looking for his age as well. He wanted to meetup, but i am too busy
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So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.
My gf and the girl have been communicating, i am sort of left out hahahaha. Me and my gf are going well, gym is going really well, i have quickly gained most of my muscle back. I switched to a fruit and meat diet, i need to lower my calories, i am too big. I have a lot of muscle already but seems like my body fat is too high.
I was also communicating with a 40 year old Italian guy in the city i am in. He runs a model agency, but he is into paying for women, sugar babes etc It is really easy to talk to him, he is a down to earth guy, no ego just says it how it is, fairly good looking for his age as well. He wanted to meetup, but i am too busy
A fairly good looking guy, running a model agency and paying for women lol.Does this guy need to pay for women?There is something wrong; he didn't tell you all.
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A fairly good looking guy, running a model agency and paying for women lol.Does this guy need to pay for women?There is something wrong; he didn't tell you all.
He likes women around age of 20s. He showed me some of his sugar babe adverts he is thinking of running. He had sugar babes before
He isn't in need of serious relationships , one of his business ventures he wants to run is porn. This is all a hobbie for him he said .
I am about to arrival to the restaurant now , will be a fun night
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So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.
So you're a sex tourist.
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So you're a sex tourist.
Please don't insult the sex tourists. :-[
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So you're a sex tourist.
Very much still in a relationship, so is my GF. Actually if anything we are closer together, she is more sure she wants to start a family with me.
Too many assumptions , even about the girl we met and her intentions. You will be surprised
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It doesn't matter whether or not you are in a relationship. Was this second girl your idea? Did you seek her out? Was your girlfriend "all in" from Day 1? I frankly doubt it. The fact she's agreed suggests two scenarios to me, neither of which are particularly positive.
So, that does mean you're a sex tourist, and you are lording your position over the women girls. Even if your girlfriend consents, at some level, she will always hold this against you.
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It doesn't matter whether or not you are in a relationship. Was this second girl your idea? Did you seek her out? Was your girlfriend "all in" from Day 1? I frankly doubt it.
Yes was my idea, she was initially worried about it. But i reassured her that my emotions for her wouldn't vanish.
The fact she's agreed suggests two scenarios to me, neither of which are particularly positive.
Not hard, she wants to make me happy. Sometimes it is really simple, but you like to make things very confusing and complex. Manage to judge someones past, present, and future simply by what city they were born in. People are very complex, and the pieces move very rapidly, you need a flexible mindset, and the ability to step back and observe from the the distance. Hence why i have treated a range of women very differently, depending on their actions, and not by my desires.
So, that does mean you're a sex tourist, and you are lording your position over the women girls.
Interesting , what position is that?
at some level, she will always hold this against you.
Assumptions, you weren't there to witness everything last night ;)
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I spent a couple of months total with one UW over three trips.
She was one of most highly sexed in terms of desire (demand) of any.
After a month or so of acquaintance, she started suggesting we should invite a second woman to our 'events.'
She wanted me to find such a woman.
I told her that I couldn't because any woman I found would want to be my number one woman, so this current woman would have to be number two . . . which she didn't want.
Thus she must find such a second woman.
She asked a younger co-worker who talked a lot about sex with her; but this woman said the only three-some she wanted was with two men.
Much later, when it was apparent we weren't going to make it long-term (she was too volatile for me); she told me she still wanted to be sexually involved with me and would accept the second woman role.
But I never wanted a new woman of interest to me to be comparing notes with a previous woman of interest to me . . . so no-go.
Some years later, she entered into second marriage with another UM and told they have a very good sex life . . . but no further details about second woman, etc.
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Another UW told me her husband had several affairs which she 'had' to accept.
And he kept asking for second woman to be involved.
She knew he would find two other women, so she decided to stay involved with him and asked a woman who lived in their apartment building to be second woman.
They had talked about sex quite a bit (the two women)
This woman readily agreed; and they proceeded.
Said it wasn't all that extra exciting for her.
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He likes women around age of 20s. He showed me some of his sugar babe adverts he is thinking of running. He had sugar babes before
He isn't in need of serious relationships , one of his business ventures he wants to run is porn. This is all a hobbie for him he said .
I am about to arrival to the restaurant now , will be a fun night
Yep I was thinking about porn, exactly.
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Another UW told me her husband had several affairs which she 'had' to accept.
And he kept asking for second woman to be involved.
She knew he would find two other women, so she decided to stay involved with him and asked a woman who lived in their apartment building to be second woman.
They had talked about sex quite a bit (the two women)
This woman readily agreed; and they proceeded.
Said it wasn't all that extra exciting for her.
Pretty common reason
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Yep I was thinking about porn, exactly.
I can semi relate to the guy , seems like he doesn't value relationships, looks like a chilled out person , who doesn't have something to prove to me . But I don't know if I would invest so much time in his hobbies
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Yes was my idea, she was initially worried about it. But i reassured her that my emotions for her wouldn't vanish.
It's not about your emotions. My point was, you initiated this.
Not hard, she wants to make me happy. Sometimes it is really simple, but you like to make things very confusing and complex. Manage to judge someones past, present, and future simply by what city they were born in. People are very complex, and the pieces move very rapidly, you need a flexible mindset, and the ability to step back and observe from the the distance. Hence why i have treated a range of women very differently, depending on their actions, and not by my desires.
So you getting your rocks off with a third woman is completely normal, and a woman who is not bisexual should do this for you to "make you happy". Trust me, if you didn't have money in a poor country, she would not acquiesce. And you even have the audacity to call it "love". LOL.
Interesting , what position is that?
A foreigner with more money than the average UM.
Assumptions, you weren't there to witness everything last night ;)
This just proves my point. You don't know a thing about love. It's your ego at play, your desires, your wants. You can fool yourself into believing that you're some great catch.
I suggest you move into a crappy apartment in a poor area, use nothing but buses, and tell your girl your business has collapsed, she will have to support you if you are to stay. Do this for an entire year, living on the salary of an average Ukrainian, and see how long she sticks around.
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Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have ;D I really do have the package.
And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.
Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on ;)
Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.
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Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have ;D I really do have the package.
Not all women are attracted to muscles. I never was. I much prefer the body type of today's Brad Pitt or George Clooney, tallish (5'11" to 6'3") and on the slenderer side.
There are muscled men in Ukraine as well. Always were - gyms were very popular in the FSU, and there was a whole subculture of empty headed gym bunnies, of both sexes.
And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.
You can't know that. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that you don't know.
Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on ;)
You can't even commit to one, you've been with her, what, two months(?), and you're already introducing another woman into the relationship.
I comprehend just fine. More than you can imagine, actually.
Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.
You only have to compete against yourself. Maybe when you get over your inferiority complex, you'll come to understand that.
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Brad Pitt & George Clooney are facially pretty boys so they win on that card so don't need to be real worked out. Even still there is a difference between slenderer and slim. I think guys that are too slim get seen as weak, possibly geeky and a bit unattractive to most women, course there are always the outliers ;)
In fairness there are absolutely HUGE guys down in Odessa, I saw a load of them while I was down there. I think that's where the real muscle men tend to go in Ukraine, makes sense as loads of beach babes there in the summer. Saw loads of real hefty muscle bound guys sat outside a few of the bars so if Japs wants competition to compare himself against that would be the place to go, nice place to go in warm spring & summer.
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I don't agree with that. One of our sons is slim, 6', probably 140 lbs, and he has girls throwing themselves at him all the time. His personality type can handle all of the attention.
I don't think it's ever been true that slender men are at a disadvantage, or are seen as "weak".
I am fairly certain there are muscled men all over Ukraine. There certainly were a lot in Kyiv during the Soviet period. I imagine it's even more now, as that gym culture expanded after the collapse.
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I have had genetic pot gut since late 20s.
I asked several FSUW if it bothered them and some said something like: "It's not important."
One in particular said: "Only one of us needs to be slim, and that's me."
I was on beaches in Turkey and Egypt with several FSU gals where there were a ton of FSUM and other European guys with huge bellies. Not once did the gals make note of this.
Now I am developing quite a bit more fat around middle.
Wife has not complained a bit about it, and certainly is aware as she is scrubbing me down in shower daily.
She once mentioned briefly that first husband was too thin for her taste, so I guess she is willing to go somewhat overboard in opposite direction.
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Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have ;D I really do have the package.
And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.
Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on ;)
Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.
How are things going with you're girl out there Japs?
I've heard Ukraine is now entering a third lockdown and the official virus infection rate has gone up a lot, how are things out there?
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How are things going with you're girl out there Japs?
She wants to start a family and such, i gave her a slice of my business % wise. She has done a really great job, took me and the business to another level. We had a mini break up a few days ago, as i don't have emotions, and don't want to settle down these days. I am just not in a relationship mood, not her, it is just i don't really need anyone. I am happy coexisting with people.
She was going to move up, we agreed to meetup for 'fun' every few days, but i ended up just telling her to stay. Dating is time consuming.
SInce joining the gym, i regained about 20kg, even look leaner , and get a lot of female attention, if kids in the gym i go to are following me on instagram, and talking about my size and tattoos in russian with trainers hahahaha (Trainers here look bad, apart from one guy).but i knew it was going to happen.
I've heard Ukraine is now entering a third lockdown and the official virus infection rate has gone up a lot, how are things out there?
Pretty bad, there is a lethal variant apparently, a few cities are locked down. We are not sure if a full lockdown will happen again, if it does, there is a gym i know which opens during lock down. Restaurants are also breaking lock down rules, nobody cares. This is ukraine, bribe someone to look the other way.
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I do hope you remember you are in Ukraine, where both your business and yourself can disappear when people consider you a burden.
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What did I say that was offensive? Some men don't want to settle down? Regarding my business , I am the face and the star . I am just not that passionate about love as of yet , took me a while to figure it out I guess.
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What did I say that was offensive? Some men don't want to settle down? Regarding my business , I am the face and the star . I am just not that passionate about love as of yet , took me a while to figure it out I guess.
As long as you are honest about that, no problem. But if not. sooner or later someone will remind you that you had to be honest.
Understand that you are in a country where you are supposed to share.
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Understand that you are in a country where you are supposed to share.
Share what exactly?
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Brad Pitt & George Clooney are facially pretty boys so they win on that card so don't need to be real worked out. Even still there is a difference between slenderer and slim. I think guys that are too slim get seen as weak, possibly geeky and a bit unattractive to most women, course there are always the outliers ;)
Women are all different. Different women are attracted to different things.
Almost all women are attracted to confidence. Almost all women are repelled
by desperation.
I have seen men with very mediocre looks with very hot women because
they had confidence and acted on it. Joe Blow average guy will beat out
Brad Pitt keyboard Romeo if he shows up and wins her heart.
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It is funny people talk so much about what women want , finding outliers to support their theories. Then there are others who just look at a correlation, don't ask the cost , and just take what they want .
I mean it is hard to work on your income , it is hard to lift weight , it is hard to sacrifice. It is easy to come up with excuses to support a theory.
I stopped asking what women wanted long ago , I just do what is hard , because when you do what is hard you find not many men are there. They are fighting for the scraps , whilst waiting for old age to take them to the grave , telling stories of what they did at 18.
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It is neither "hard to work on your income", nor to "lift weights". Tens of millions of people do these things successfully every single day. Neither is a guarantee of success in relationships.
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It is neither "hard to work on your income", nor to "lift weights". Tens of millions of people do these things successfully every single day. .
Tens of millions? Let us just say 100 million , out of 6 bullion is under 2%. I am happy being in top 2% if going by your figures.
Regarding relationships, it is not my focus as of yet .
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I was referring only to my country. I would hazard a guess if you are looking for a world statistic, the number would be in the billions, particularly in undeveloped countries, where "weight lifting" is part of their work, rather than a leisure activity. Point is, it's nothing special.
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I was referring only to my country. I would hazard a guess if you are looking for a world statistic, the number would be in the billions, particularly in undeveloped countries, where "weight lifting" is part of their work, rather than a leisure activity. Point is, it's nothing special.
Building work is different from weightlifting, secondly having a career where someone makes a good living is hard whilst maintaining weightlifting.
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But, literally, millions of people manage to do so. It requires discipline, but it's not particularly difficult or special.
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But, literally, millions of people manage to do so. It requires discipline, but it's not particularly difficult or special.
We ran your numbers, and i was generous, still works out to be less than 2% apparently. I am happy with that, not looking to be Elon Musk, or Arnold, but hey, if i can be a mixture of them but a lower level in what they accomplished in their fields, i would be over the moon. I am happy where i am at, see as far as i can go, and live in peace. You haven't seen my life to know if it is difficult or not, whereas my clients, people i dated, family have, and they can vouch the effort i put in is immense. All i ask myself is if i tried my best, the answer is yes, and for me that is content, knowing i gave it my all.
Edit , I regret taking a dig
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We ran your numbers, and i was generous, still works out to be less than 2% apparently. I am happy with that, not looking to be Elon Musk, or Arnold, but hey, if i can be a mixture of them but a lower level in what they accomplished in their fields, i would be over the moon. I am happy where i am at, see as far as i can go, and live in peace. You haven't seen my life to know if it is difficult or not, whereas my clients, people i dated, family have, and they can vouch the effort i put in is immense. All i ask myself is if i tried my best, the answer is yes, and for me that is content, knowing i gave it my all.
Edit , I regret taking a dig
If you wish to be a muscled con-man you seem to be on the right track.
However i you like tings that are hard, I suggest working on a relationship. Probably that is too hard for you.
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However i you like tings that are hard, I suggest working on a relationship.
I need to work on myself, there isn't anything wrong with the girl i am dating. I can't find what is wrong with her. She works hard in fitness, caring for me, on the business, smart, and can take my humour.
Probably that is too hard for you.
It is a different difficulty, the majority of men marry because they are not getting action, emotionally (Whores lack this) and physically. I get both, so the question i need to ask, is why? Why should i marry and settle down? What do i get? Someone who believes in me? I believe in myself, someone to care for me and push me forward? Is that really enough to justify it?
Beauty? I now get women easily in the 18 to 21 bracket, but relationship wise 25ish is the sweet spot , who are young and pretty. When I am older my options will increase, so it is a bad investment.
It is a question i am trying to ask myself and solve. I did ask Gator , because unlike most men, when he decided to take theat leap, he had an active lifestyle, was an accomplished male. So i guess for me, the answer to my question will be maybe answered by conversating more with such people, and less with people who marry out of desperation.
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I need to work on myself, there isn't anything wrong with the girl i am dating. I can't find what is wrong with her. She works hard in fitness, caring for me, on the business, smart, and can take my humour.
It is a different difficulty, the majority of men marry because they are not getting action, emotionally (Whores lack this) and physically. I get both, so the question i need to ask, is why? Why should i marry and settle down? What do i get? Someone who believes in me? I believe in myself, someone to care for me and push me forward? Is that really enough to justify it?
Beauty? I now get women easily in the 18 to 21 bracket, but relationship wise 25ish is the sweet spot , who are young and pretty. When I am older my options will increase, so it is a bad investment.
It is a question i am trying to ask myself and solve. I did ask Gator , because unlike most men, when he decided to take theat leap, he had an active lifestyle, was an accomplished male. So i guess for me, the answer to my question will be maybe answered by conversating more with such people, and less with people who marry out of desperation.
Why would you marry out of desperation? And what is there to settle down about marriage? I do not understand either idea. You believe that when you will no longer be attractive to women you will just tkae the last one that still wants you and marry her? Does not sound like anything a settled and confident man will do, including Gator.
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I do not understand either idea.
Very simple, a lot of men do not get action. Incels, they marry a girl because they need to. For me i think marriage is good for when someone is ready to settle down , have a family and such. but that is just me. I remember talking to my ex fiance's mother recently, she told me her son (Russian), decided to marry his wife because he said 'i want someone in my corner when life gets tough'. I told her, it sounds like he doesn't believe in his own strength, sad thin is he is now in depression, with kids, because of conflicts with his wife and laziness, irony right? I met a homeless guy in ukraine, talking to him how he ended up where he was, came down to his ex wife taking the house from him. I think people seek strength in others , rather than themselves. But i cannot blame people, majority of people are weak.
Some people chase happiness , to just go in the opposite direction. I value a peaceful life , a life of meaning where I help others. I am thankful I am not in a dark place, taking anti depressants like many people have . I want to sustain a peaceful life, not go through the pain many others have. This is complex because not everyone can walk down the path I do , nor think before blindly jumping into something they are not sure they even want . Sometimes people just do the things , not asking the question if they truly want it .
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Very simple, a lot of men do not get action. Incels, they marry a girl because they need to. For me i think marriage is good for when someone is ready to settle down , have a family and such. but that is just me. I remember talking to my ex fiance's mother recently, she told me her son (Russian), decided to marry his wife because he said 'i want someone in my corner when life gets tough'. I told her, it sounds like he doesn't believe in his own strength, sad thin is he is now in depression, with kids, because of conflicts with his wife and laziness, irony right? I met a homeless guy in ukraine, talking to him how he ended up where he was, came down to his ex wife taking the house from him. I think people seek strength in others , rather than themselves. But i cannot blame people, majority of people are weak.
Some people chase happiness , to just go in the opposite direction. I value a peaceful life , a life of meaning where I help others. I am thankful I am not in a dark place, taking anti depressants like many people have . I want to sustain a peaceful life, not go through the pain many others have. This is complex because not everyone can walk down the path I do , nor think before blindly jumping into something they are not sure they even want . Sometimes people just do the things , not asking the question if they truly want it .
You seem to project your ideas on others. My question was to you. What stops you from marriage Afraid you will not get any "action" afterwards? Not wanting to have kids as you feel yourself a bad eample with your peaceful life of lifting weights?
The examples you give show your fear.
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You seem to project your ideas on others.
I just analyse others, and avoid their mistakes. It is better to learn from other people's mistakes, rather than make those yourself.
What stops you from marriage Afraid you will not get any "action" afterwards?
No, never did i say that . The thing that stops me is that i cannot see many benefits, other than creating a family.
Not wanting to have kids as you feel yourself a bad eample with your peaceful life of lifting weights?
When did i say i did not want kids? I think you might be really confused, or purposefully twisting words
The examples you give show your fear.
Jumping off a building, to show you are not scared, it plain stupid. Looking in the mirror and asking yourself why you are going to do what you do, and not choosing the easy option to avoid work, is the more brave option. But hey, you do you , like i said before, this is my life, and what fits with what i want, and how my life is structured. I am not a guy who looked like he got hit by a truck, out of shape, with their only achievement in life is working a 9 to 5 earning a sub average salary. No offence to the guys that are walking down that path.
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I just analyse others, and avoid their mistakes. It is better to learn from other people's mistakes, rather than make those yourself.
No, never did i say that . The thing that stops me is that i cannot see many benefits, other than creating a family.
When did i say i did not want kids? I think you might be really confused, or purposefully twisting words
Jumping off a building, to show you are not scared, it plain stupid. Looking in the mirror and asking yourself why you are going to do what you do, and not choosing the easy option to avoid work, is the more brave option. But hey, you do you , like i said before, this is my life, and what fits with what i want, and how my life is structured. I am not a guy who looked like he got hit by a truck, out of shape, with their only achievement in life is working a 9 to 5 earning a sub average salary. No offence to the guys that are walking down that path.
And you fear to become that, which is why you avoid what others do.
Perhaps you should know that I come from a country where building a family and having kids does not require marriage, all you need is commitment from both sides on a relationship.And I have witnessed many of such relationships fall apart because long after having kids they decide to marry and somehow think that needs to change their relationship.You seem similar, you want to be different and have things your way, expecting that when you marry you will become a different person. You will not. You will be the same man with the same desires. Be sure to have that figured out before going there.
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And you fear to become that, which is why you avoid what others do.
Perhaps you should know that I come from a country where building a family and having kids does not require marriage, all you need is commitment from both sides on a relationship.And I have witnessed many of such relationships fall apart because long after having kids they decide to marry and somehow think that needs to change their relationship.You seem similar, you want to be different and have things your way, expecting that when you marry you will become a different person. You will not. You will be the same man with the same desires. Be sure to have that figured out before going there.
Far off, i like the control i have over my life, and don't want to give my freedom to someone else to toy with. I spoke to my gf today regarding why some men marry, about the Russian who married as he wanted someone in his corner, she and i both agree, he got married for the wrong reasons. It should be about building a life/family with someone , not someone to hold your hand when you get pucnhed. That is why he failed and is depressed, he expected her to be an axe warrior, when she isn't, she has no interest to work, and is lazy, but he expected something she didn't deliver, and now he is depressed on meds.
Regarding men marrying due to desperation, she laughed and said yes. A lot of men, especially on here probably nearly everyone, marry a woman to get a prettier girl than they would get in the West, who will tolerate them, and get constant sex from the person.
For me i am in an unique situation,i figured out how to conduct my life, so that as i age, my options actually get better. It is a formulae, not many men can do.
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And you fear to become that, which is why you avoid what others do.
Perhaps you should know that I come from a country where building a family and having kids does not require marriage, all you need is commitment from both sides on a relationship.
You are projecting your values. Not everybody thinks or acts the same way.
I know guys who have no interest in marriage or family and simply happy to pursue women. Different strokes for different folks.
JT's relative immaturity in relationships is not cause to invalidate his perspectives. I sense a tone of moral judgment against him rather than considered advice. He may be naive in some respects but that is part and parcel with gaining life experience.
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JT's relative immaturity in relationships is not cause to invalidate his perspectives. I sense a tone of moral judgment against him rather than considered advice. He may be naive in some respects but that is part and parcel with gaining life experience.
I agree, however I hope his experience will not come at high cost that he could have avoided.
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You are projecting your values. Not everybody thinks or acts the same way.
I know guys who have no interest in marriage or family and simply happy to pursue women. Different strokes for different folks.
JT's relative immaturity in relationships is not cause to invalidate his perspectives. I sense a tone of moral judgment against him rather than considered advice. He may be naive in some respects but that is part and parcel with gaining life experience.
They didn't have travel blogs or even the internet when I was young.
Luckily I didn't record what I was doing and/or the purpose behind
my actions when I was in my twenties. People would have rightly
pointed out my many foibles.
I also didn't tell my elders what they were doing or claim to know
their motivations behind their actions either. Back in the full analog
days doing so might have caused me to get punched in the mouth.
It's sort of a shame that nobody gets punched in the nose anymore
when they overstep the bounds of polite behavior.
My theory as it relates to the forum is this. I try not to get too involved
in an individuals trip report or blog. I know that they are difficult to write
and keep updated especially when your every move is scrutinized.
On the other non TR threads, I tend to dispense more advice and
participate more in the debates. That's my two kopecks
Udachi!
Bill
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We ran your numbers, and i was generous, still works out to be less than 2% apparently. I am happy with that, not looking to be Elon Musk, or Arnold, but hey, if i can be a mixture of them but a lower level in what they accomplished in their fields, i would be over the moon. I am happy where i am at, see as far as i can go, and live in peace. You haven't seen my life to know if it is difficult or not, whereas my clients, people i dated, family have, and they can vouch the effort i put in is immense. All i ask myself is if i tried my best, the answer is yes, and for me that is content, knowing i gave it my all.
Edit , I regret taking a dig
My "numbers" were for my country, not the entire world. In my country, 20% of the adult population is physically active. Not all of them go to the gym, but all get a significant amount of exercise. So, that's 10 times higher than your "2%".
I never claimed your life is difficult. You are the one who has stated that people don't work out, because it's so difficult. All I did was state your assertion is flawed.
As for what I value, you have no idea what I value, and what I don't. Your assumptions about me are extremely flawed. You are also wrong in assuming I am not a risk taker.
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You are projecting your values. Not everybody thinks or acts the same way.
I know guys who have no interest in marriage or family and simply happy to pursue women. Different strokes for different folks.
JT's relative immaturity in relationships is not cause to invalidate his perspectives. I sense a tone of moral judgment against him rather than considered advice. He may be naive in some respects but that is part and parcel with gaining life experience.
Totally concur.
His life's saga and underlying belief/perspectives is exclusively his own. As long as he's happy with it, more power to him as he seem to be fulfilling his desires and belief.
His is just one of millions.
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I hope his experience will not come at high cost that he could have avoided.
The cost is when someone marries, and has kids, it is too late to go back. That is why these questions should be asked , and an honest conversation should be had with oneself on why they are getting married. I can always find someone, as long as i keep on track, work on myself, there is always going to be options available. If i however, don't work on myself, these opportunities won't be around.
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The cost is when someone marries, and has kids, it is too late to go back. That is why these questions should be asked , and an honest conversation should be had with oneself on why they are getting married. I can always find someone, as long as i keep on track, work on myself, there is always going to be options available. If i however, don't work on myself, these opportunities won't be around.
I will remind you once again that marriage and kids will not magically change you or remove the need to work on yourself. Your personality and desire will not be changed by marrying, nor will having children hold you back.If you think that marriage will transform you from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Al Bundy, think again.I do agree you are not ready for marriage however.
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marriage and kids will not magically change you or remove the need to work on yourself.
If you think that marriage will transform you from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Al Bundy, think again.
I see the misunderstanding, i never said that was the issue. My issue is giving someone control over my happiness. I don't feel in a lovey dubby need in my life. Cuddle and such i am good at, but i do not feel the need for someone permanent in my life, nor their support.
I do agree you are not ready for marriage however.
Who knows if i will ever want marriage, kids i want. My current girlfriend and a few previous would have a child with me, even outside wed lock. But i want a child i bring into the world to have me present as a father figure. Not to simply spread my genes.
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It is neither "hard to work on your income", nor to "lift weights". Tens of millions of people do these things successfully every single day. Neither is a guarantee of success in relationships.
I think not many guys can afford to lift weights/work out the necessary 5 times a week to really look great. Many will do what I did and just go a couple of times a week for a while.
In general though I think most guys have to put work first. Few guys can afford to say stuff work to put the gym first they need to bring in at least a basic income as a fundamental aspect of life. I've often thought that those that do the gym regularly are participating in a luxury few can afford. Ok you'll get your nightclub doorman do it, professional bodybuilders, etc but in general you tend to need to be able to afford excess time off in your schedule to do it effectively. Few guys who do the 9-5 five days a week can do it successfully. In the evenings they will get too tired to do it and at weekends few will want to spend every weekend doing gym & exercise all day.
I used to know a guy at work, he was nearing retirement and didn't look in good shape. Anyway he showed me photos of when he was younger, now I'm not sh*ting you the guy literally had a bid like Arnold Schwarzenegger, great big bulging muscles everywhere and doing those bodybuilding poses. I asked him what happened, he replied, 'work happened'. Essentially once he got passed his late teen years he got to the stage where he had to get money in, it's a part of life so he could no longer spend all the time down the gym and with work goes the ability to work out as needed to maintain that form, that's how much time & energy constraints work places on most people.
Japs here is lucky, he gets income from his rental property, even if he didn't get income from his business he could get income from his rental property and go and work out. If he needed extra income he could just work part time and go and work out. When I finish my house conversion I will get income and could just go and work out.
Like I say few dudes can do that, many try but don't realise they are doomed to fail since they need regular periods of being able to go to the gym in a fully refreshed state. Some guys routine is even gym, sleep, gym, sleep, etc, etc.
My guess is that in Ukraine it is just as much probably more of a luxury to do the gym regularly for a guy than here. They will be mindful that all the time they are at the gym could be time they could be earning. In a country where money speaks and can be a necessity gym time is probably the first thing to be sacrificed. Some guys will be able to tie it into their lifestyle/work but most won't.
My guess is that in Ukraine having a gym bod may bring the additional benefit of showing a girl that you can 'afford' to take the time out in addition to looking great.
Myself I don't think builders often get the same results. I think again they lack the time element so overeat on energy foods which create fat and so get flabby stomach's etc. A few may manage it but often I just don't think it works out the same.
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Well i moved from West ukraine, due to fears of conflict. I found a long term apartment in my new city, in city center. I am single, but my ex moved with me, we work together, still see each other, we have a sort of close relationship. I was sick last week, chest compressions, fever and such, and she refused to leave me alone, and rushed to my apartment to care for me. I trust her, and want to do good for her, help her out, she has been very kind to me. But i am not looking for relationships.
I am more going down my own path in life, being by myself, the only people i trust and care about is my brother, and my ex girlfriend. I want a small good circle, and don't have any desire for love or such. I don't need to, i am progressing at a crazy rate with my work, fitness, and such. I don't seek emotions of relationship/marriage love, but rather growth and strength within. Weird ideology, but i love it, and never felt more at peace with myself.
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I meant east of ukraine.
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I am more going down my own path in life, being by myself, the only people i trust and care about is my brother, and my ex girlfriend. I want a small good circle, and don't have any desire for love or such. I don't need to, i am progressing at a crazy rate with my work, fitness, and such. I don't seek emotions of relationship/marriage love, but rather growth and strength within. Weird ideology, but i love it, and never felt more at peace with myself.
I don't blame you Japs. When the question is asked who really cares? Well for me and I guess many it really comes down to family members. Some may not realise it and to be honest that may often just be blood relations. It can be a toss up if the person with have married or in a relationship really does. Many think they do then live to find out otherwise. As you know finding a girl who is not just wanting a guy to fill a provider role - for his wealth in Ukraine can be difficult. I recently have been in communication with a hot looking girl on Fdate around 30, we were having a good messaging conversation until I mentioned my job, then it just went dead lol. My job is ok, but it's not a job that you would associate with great wealth. Incidentally she lost her job in virus cuts and has since been lounging around, probably will only get with a wealthy guy. Anyway it demonstrates how many girls out there have no care for the guy just the wallet.
Anyway it's good you found a girl that cares for you out there even if you are no longer in a relationship out there. If you don't mind me asking how come you fell out of the relationship with her?
I think in any case relationships can be a lot of work, they can be fun but it can be a lot of input that can go to waste at the end of the day if it doesn't go the course.
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Well i moved from East ukraine, due to fears of conflict.
What's the word on the ground over there? People feel it's going to escalate? All we hear is Russia was saber rattling and not going to escalate things. Biden lifted Trump's sanctions on the Russian pipeline which should make Putin happy he's going to start getting his way.
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He also gave Putin a Summit assumingly where he will give in to more of Putin's demands. Guess that threat of invasion through military build up had the desired effect. Now a case of sit back and see the bully get even stronger as a result in my opinion. Would be interesting to see what you think also Japs.
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I was just recently in Odessa and even though it was one of the hotspots just a few weeks ago most people - like 90% are walking around with no masks indoors and outdoors. My party and the restaurant workers were the only ones wearing masks.
No public vaccinated plan in place but people seem to feel that the worse is over. Testing is 1000 UAH.
I've seen youtube video of Kiev a few weeks ago and that seems to be the case too - people walking around in public without mask. At least here in America we're starting to do that because we are rolling out vaccination plans.
What's the word on the ground over there? People feel it's going to escalate? All we hear is Russia was saber rattling and not going to escalate things. Biden lifted Trump's sanctions on the Russian pipeline which should make Putin happy he's going to start getting his way.
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So about £25 to get a vaccine test that we would get for free on the NHS though I hear it can be £125 for a PCR test to travel/return to UK. So for many Ukrainians £25 a lot of money. Reckon a lot of not bothering with a mask is down to them nor wanting to bother with the expense/not being able to. Probably see it as if you get it then its just a case of having to see it through, many will, some won't. Thing is I don't think many people realise it's too late once you've got it where a good professional grade mask could have prevented it.
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So about £25 to get a vaccine test that we would get for free on the NHS though I hear it can be £125 for a PCR test to travel/return to UK. So for many Ukrainians £25 a lot of money. Reckon a lot of not bothering with a mask is down to them nor wanting to bother with the expense/not being able to. Probably see it as if you get it then its just a case of having to see it through, many will, some won't. Thing is I don't think many people realise it's too late once you've got it where a good professional grade mask could have prevented it.
It’s only free if you are potentially infected.
If it’s for travel you shell out from your pocket.
To return to the UK and do the two tests it’s +£200 quid so it’s £100 for your pre departure test from the UK, about £30 for the return pcr test and another£200 quid for day 2 & 8 tests. That’s £330 straight off.
I don’t think you’ll be travelling anytime soon Trench.
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Anyway it demonstrates how many girls out there have no care for the guy just the wallet.
I have had casual hook ups, where nobody wanted a relationship, some were in relationships with ukrainian guys, some married. I am 240 pounds, but yes, i do get women who also like me because i am stable. Any man who steps in FSU and thinks offer something other than wealth has their heads in the clouds. That is why you are unpopular, what you say goes against what people want to see in the mirror.
If you don't mind me asking how come you fell out of the relationship with her?
I realised she gave me everything i wanted, and still want, but i deep down i never wanted a relationship in my life. I ended them all apart from my ex fiance, who ended it with me, but in the end i ended it with her when she wanted me back. The only time i truly was happy with a woman, and had no desire outside was my ex fiance, she was a model, people were shocked by her, but she had intelligence that blew people out the water, Trainee Dr, and maybe will get a scholorship to finish her studies in Imperial college london (Top university in the world). I couldn't compete with her, but that was why we split, my business didn't workout the way we thought, she supported me for many months, but she wavered , but in the end i pulled it off by mysellf.
That is my point, it is always just me, it is me that creates my physique, my wealth, i don't need a woman. When times get tough , i always pull up my socks, laugh and go in hard, that is why women love me when they get to know me, because i am crazy and dig deep when times get tough. My brother was amazed with how hard i worked, and he is a top 10 university graduate, doing coding and advance statistics, but he never came across a person like myself.
This whole trip i discovered more about myself, got into a comfortable rhythm, meet hot women, and keep improving. I am in my early 30's and meet hot 18-20 year olds with ease . I grow, and will continue to grow. I had hooked up with 3 women this past week, it doesn't get me that excited anymore. I am just getting dopamine from my work
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What's the word on the ground over there? People feel it's going to escalate? All we hear is Russia was saber rattling and not going to escalate things. Biden lifted Trump's sanctions on the Russian pipeline which should make Putin happy he's going to start getting his way.
Nobody want to be a part of Russia, so i don't know where russian media gets the idea that ukrainians want them to come rescue Ukraine. It is fabricated, i been to Lviv, kharkiv, odessa, few more cities, nobody wants Russia to come.
Kharkiv people don't want to leave, they don't have jobs anywhere else, people told me and my ex we were smart for leaving. Most people want to hope for the best, but if Russia do come, doesn't matter what tea leaves say, lives will be lsot, and i don't want to be there when it happens.
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I have had casual hook ups, where nobody wanted a relationship, some were in relationships with ukrainian guys, some married. I am 240 pounds, but yes, i do get women who also like me because i am stable. Any man who steps in FSU and thinks offer something other than wealth has their heads in the clouds. That is why you are unpopular, what you say goes against what people want to see in the mirror.
I realised she gave me everything i wanted, and still want, but i deep down i never wanted a relationship in my life. I ended them all apart from my ex fiance, who ended it with me, but in the end i ended it with her when she wanted me back. The only time i truly was happy with a woman, and had no desire outside was my ex fiance, she was a model, people were shocked by her, but she had intelligence that blew people out the water, Trainee Dr, and maybe will get a scholorship to finish her studies in Imperial college london (Top university in the world). I couldn't compete with her, but that was why we split, my business didn't workout the way we thought, she supported me for many months, but she wavered , but in the end i pulled it off by mysellf.
That is my point, it is always just me, it is me that creates my physique, my wealth, i don't need a woman. When times get tough , i always pull up my socks, laugh and go in hard, that is why women love me when they get to know me, because i am crazy and dig deep when times get tough. My brother was amazed with how hard i worked, and he is a top 10 university graduate, doing coding and advance statistics, but he never came across a person like myself.
This whole trip i discovered more about myself, got into a comfortable rhythm, meet hot women, and keep improving. I am in my early 30's and meet hot 18-20 year olds with ease . I grow, and will continue to grow. I had hooked up with 3 women this past week, it doesn't get me that excited anymore. I am just getting dopamine from my work
Lol, yeah I think that is true Japs, a place like Ukraine is a good match up for rich US dudes who let their wallet do the talking. Sure they can talk and believe the woman is into them but nearly all the time it will be their wallet that talks the loudest. Ukrainian women want a wealthy guy and so a rich US dude who can't get a decent enough western girl it's a perfect match up in theory so long as they don't f*ck it up. Most girls join International Dating sites like Fdate & EM for the reason that they want at least some sort of wealthy guy, some very wealthy.
2tall bill ended up finding his other half off social media in the FSU so may well be different but for most it will be the wallet that really gains the girl's interest.
I think you're a pretty independent guy Japs and their is great strength in seeing how strong you can get by yourself, self improvement if you will. I myself ponder over whether or what sort of relationship might suit me. I'm not an all out sort of guy like yourself but I think I would have to be careful about the sort of relationship set up. I'm wary of the sort of constraints a relationship might bring. I've no doubt there are plus sides but sometimes I can't help but see that the woman may want this or that imposition on me and I end up leading a lifestyle not of my own. Having a more lose set up relationship situation with women may indeed be preferable.