Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[BC]

I guess Godwin's Law applies not only to the internet, but real world as well.

[GQBlues]

....
This is the one that really got me:




If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t.

The opening line on this video spoke about his uncle. " I have 'a' uncle..." LOL, the first thought to cross my mind was, 'he couldn't possibly be speaking about uncle Omar, was he?

Then when he proceeded to cite how his uncle went up to a house and stayed there for 6 months, I then realize it all makes sense. Uncle Omar (Onyango Obama) was long wanted by the US Immigration and it would explain why he would be in hiding for a while.

 

[GQBlues]

I guess Godwin's Law applies not only to the internet, but real world as well.

BC-

I told you the media circus parade had long arrived in town and is about to march through Ditzy Lane. Hang on folks, this one's going to be a dandy...

[Darth_Budda]

Liberal logic of the day:   
 
"Apparently, I’m supposed to be more outraged by what Mitt Romney does with his money than by what Barack Obama does with mine."

Socialist Logic of the day

I don't care what he does with his money,
But he better start paying his fair share of the taxes!

[Muzh]

Just for interest's sake, Doug, have you been so worried that you've chased up the Birth Certificates of any previous Presidents?  You've had a few over the years whose merit I would seriously question - maybe they were also born in Kenya and had fake Birth Certificates as well?
 
GIVE IT A REST!!! 
 
Considering that all the polls I've seen reported indicate that Romney is hated by more than twice as many people as Obama, and that his approval rating is about half of Obama's, you guys are going to keep complaining whatever the result of the election.
 
Just as a side-issue, based on those figures, it seems strange that no US posters (that I can recall, anyway) have admitted to being Obama supporters.  There seem to be a LOT of Republicans, though.  Statistically, this bell curve is very lopsided.

Kiwi, being from another country that is not the center of the universe USA, it is understandable you cannot grab the essence of the issue. The following is an introduction and a Q&A for an event to be held tonight. It might give you a little reference. I'm planning on attending this.
 
 Juan Gonzalez to speak at Sanctuary for Independent Media  Juan Gonzalez, columnist for the New York Daily News and founder and co-anchor of the syndicated television and radio program "Democracy Now!", will be in Troy Friday to talk about his new book.
 
"News for All the People: The Epic Story of Race and the American Media" (Verso; $29.95; 456 pages) is indeed epic, tracing the development of American media from the first newspaper of the New World (launched in 1690 in Boston) to today's Internet, specifically looking at efforts by minorities to run their own newspapers and broadcast stations.
 
The book, coauthored with media reform activist Joseph Torres, argues that U.S. media have a long history of inflaming racial tensions. Examples include the 1835 anti-abolitionist riots in Utica, which were incited and publicized by newspapers throughout the state, including the Argus in Albany. Where oppression in the past may have meant destroying the printing press, as the Georgia Guard did with the first American Indian-owned newspaper, the Cherokee Phoenix in 1835, today it more often takes the form, the authors suggest, of media outlets' failure to hire, promote and fairly pay minority employees.
 
Gonzalez and Torres detail how newspapers turned from family-run organizations into mega-corporations in the second half of the 20th century. They argue that today's rapid decline in newspaper readership is due not to the rise of the Internet, as is commonly believed, but to shareholders' desire for ever-increasing profits and the companies' failure to build cash reserves that would see them through economic downturns.
 
The real future of media, "News for All the People" suggests, is in the Internet. In a recent email interview Gonzalez noted that individual bloggers have shown their enormous capacity to get out the news that others wish to repress, citing successes in Iran, Egypt, Syria and right here in the U.S., with the racially charged case in Jena, La., and the Occupy Wall Street movement. But there's no guarantee, he says, that this freedom will last, "unless ordinary citizens make their voices heard and press Congress for a free, open and nondiscriminatory Internet."
 
Q: Do you see any problems in how the mainstream media presents incidents like the Trayvon Martin shooting or the recent Tulsa shootings?
 
A: The main problem is that too many people, thanks to so much of the media coverage in the aftermath of Barack Obama's election, swallowed the shallow view that America entered a post-racial age with his ascension to the White House. If anything, his election has ignited a new period of racial intolerance, one that has gradually taken hold over the past four years. I have been stunned at some of the blatantly biased vitriol that has permeated much of the anger at Obama and the opposition to his policies.
 
Q: What do you think of the term "the liberal media"?
 
A: The "liberal media" myth, like most stereotypes, contains a kernel of truth, but ends up being a huge distortion of a complex reality. The class divide in our media system is far more defining than the left-right political divide. Most journalists in the commercial media have become somewhat divorced from the daily problems of ordinary Americans. They therefore give far less attention and coverage to the "other" America, those less privileged and less powerful. And they give disproportionate attention and coverage to the 1 percent celebrities, successful businessmen, powerful government figures, and so forth.
 
Q: How do conservative talk show hosts like Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh — who often stir up racial tensions — fit with the history of U.S. media?
 
A: Partisan and inflammatory news media have a long and checkered history in this country, from early newspapers portraying Native Americans and Africans as threats to white society, to the horrendous press coverage of Reconstruction governments in the post-Civil War South, to stirring up lynchings and race riots in the early 1900s, to talk radio in the 1990s, and now to talk cable.
 
Q: In What do you see happening to the newspaper in, say, 20 years? Will we still have physical newspapers to read over our morning coffee?
 
A: Physical newspapers will soon become what they were during colonial times — intelligence sheets for those few who could afford to pay an extra high price for them. The rest of us will be getting our news through the new mass digital devices. Unfortunately, the very form of all those devices, as was true of the early telegraph, will require shorter and shorter stories, less in-depth coverage of events, because few of us have the patience to read thousands of words, scrolling from screen to screen full of text on portable devices over the Internet.
 
Elizabeth Floyd Mair is a freelance writer living in Guilderland. Reach her at elizabethfloydmair@gmail.com.
 
http://www.timesunion.com/entertainment/article/Juan-Gonzalez-to-speak-at-Sanctuary-for-3495268.php#ixzz1saabdr6W

[Kokopelli]

It's about as logical as all the other conspiracy theories, that he was born in Kenya, that he's a "secret Muslim" (odd, would it not be, for a man whose parents were both atheists), that he is a citizen of Indonesia, that he never attended Occidental or Columbia, etc., etc., etc.
 
No matter what is debunked, something new will pop up.

You would consider D'Souza's book a conspiracy theory?
What exactly is the conspiracy?
Is anyone who questions Obummer a conspiracy theorist?
Born in Kenya?
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.
So, if Stanley Ann was abroad, did she meet the last requirement?
More information with a list of other people, mainly Republicans, who have been questioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
Like I already have said the "Hill-Billarys" would have caught this.

A Muslim? See Jeremiah Wright. Which would you rather be associated with?
Militant Black ideology or a group who says Christ was not divine...
If you want both there is always the Nation of Islam better known as "what happened to Malcom X."
Citizen of Indonesia? Didn't they remove a statue of him recently?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/02/controversial-obama-statue-in-indonesia-removed-from-park-after-protests/1

Billy Boy has one in Kosovo. Kosovo - Chechnya II, how wonderful.

This would be a more appropriate statue.

A slight adjustment in size and it could be put in the "oral" office.
School records? Hey, the people voted him in, enough said.
Ask no questions and he'll tell no lies.
And if they do ask, send Billy Boy in:

[Kokopelli]

The opening line on this video spoke about his uncle. " I have 'a' uncle..." LOL, the first thought to cross my mind was, 'he couldn't possibly be speaking about uncle Omar, was he?

Then when he proceeded to cite how his uncle went up to a house and stayed there for 6 months, I then realize it all makes sense. Uncle Omar (Onyango Obama) was long wanted by the US Immigration and it would explain why he would be in hiding for a while.

 

I wasn't gonna go there. 
BO can't help who he is related to but he can help who he hangs with.

[SFandEE]

Ha-ha, I am glad I don't choose to wrestle with the demons some of you guys wrestle.  What a waste of time, energy, and  thought.


Any of the OB haters have any thoughts of the feeder system to the Secret Service?  What is that culture like lately--is the liberal media really making up the stuff we are seeing the military do these days with their time abroad?  Maybe time, energy, and thought could best be spent on how to stop the humiliation of America by the American military abroad.

[calmissile]

SFandEE

First of all, we Americans do not see we are being humiliated.  This kind of behavior among men has occurred since the beginning of man and is not likely to change any time soon.  It also has no geographical, national, or political boundaries.  You do not need to look far to see the same activity at conventions of all types including social, political, professional, etc.  Case in point, it even happens at Judicial Conventions in the US.

I agree with you, it is a waste of time to spend a lot of time on arguing about the morals of their behavior.  However in this case, there is a more important issue at stake.  Anyone that has ever received a security clearance in the US has been required to attend the indoctrination classes that explain the risks of putting yourself in a compromising position whereby you might reveal secrets either accidentally or intentionally.  Specific cases are cited whereby married men are compromised by seductive women or other 'unnatural' sex activity that results in blackmail and the release of classified information.  As far as I can see that is the only newsworthy part of the whole story.

[OlgaH]

I think it is silly to politicize all this sexual scandals    Republicans have their own long list so democrats have. People are people  Founding father also had their secrets 

[SFandEE]

I am sure pissing on bodies and posing with corpses as trophies is normal to that culture as well and has been going on pre-history.  We just get to see it represent our culture all over the world these days.  Let's all break into song now, "And I'm proud to be an American, for at least I know I'm free....."



We are a democracy and citizens are responsible for what our nation does, because in theory our government represents our will.  It appears capitalism has bought our democracy and muddled the debate to stupid discussions about birth certificates and communism and demonstrates that those who have "signed up" to defend us are leading us down a moral path that is not acceptable.




Barking about birth certificates and other stupid things just shows a lack of context.  If your thing is Republican bad, Democrat good or Democrat bad Republican good is what you are saying is that the only way your values can work in a nation of over 300 million people is if your party has complete control of the government and no ability to work with people of different values and opinions?  My political way or we're going to crap in the pool and ruin the party.

SFandEE

First of all, we Americans do not see we are being humiliated.  .

Some do, maybe not in your circle of friends or region of the country--if they don't they should be ashamed.  These men are our agents, employees--they honor us when they behave with honor and they shame us when they behave shamefully.  We need better people representing us on the world stage--these people are bad government, because they are bad people.  Not government is bad, because it is bad--too big, too small.  We have bad people working for us.

  On the other hand we have the socialists that want to continue growing government and giving entitlements to the non-productive segments of the population.

Pretty good bet these guys aren't socialists, they are military, but they are leeches, ticks, slobs still the same.  Not productive, taking a paycheck for work they did not do.  So who supports these men as productive ex-military secret service agents?  The capitalists?  The military-industrial complex?  Are they entitled to retirement and health care?  They are thieves, we will have to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars to train their replacements, likely their "union" will do everything it can to get them their "earned" benefits of health care and retirement for all the years of honorable service they provided those lazy socialist Americans, protecting them from the bogeyman.  Those who see the world black and white, please buy a mirror and fix your own group first.  OB is not a socialist and the military is full of honorable men and women, it gets old, very, very old hearing poorly thought through rhetoric about your political adversaries when the corruption is pervasive throughout both parties. 

[Gylden]

IMO politics is just another smoke screen. The real problem concerning the future has to do with economics.
The baby boomer generation has been spending their future incomes for quite some time now (living off the future).
No political party can change that, it's a done deal.
Pensions have been based in speculation for quite some time and when you speculate there are always two potential directions things can go.
I guess it's just time to pay the piper.
The economic situation can be smoothed over with a good round of inflation, but the behavior must change in order to avoid the cycle again.

Maybe capitalism should be based on cash instead of credit?

[BC]

I am sure pissing on bodies and posing with corpses as trophies is normal to that culture as well and has been going on pre-history.  We just get to see it represent our culture all over the world these days.  Let's all break into song now, "And I'm proud to be an American, for at least I know I'm free....."

Of course such behaviour is deplorable.. as is being exposed to such death and destruction.  Reacting in this manner is often a defense mechanism for the mind that helps to dehumanize the experience.  Anyone who has not had to experience such is very lucky indeed.

As to the Secret Service, boys will be boys from the bottom to the top.  Bad timing though.. they should know better..  80 bucks?.. gotta be kidding.  The woman.. she's probably been whisked off somewhere to relax either at US taxpayer or media expense for paid interviews, hopefully the former.  Ludicrous when one considers a good portion of Congressmen that 'have a good time' themselves on expense accounts of lobbyists.

Such are the ails of a 'no tolerance' society with the added kick of media and political dogging.

[BC]

IMO politics is just another smoke screen. The real problem concerning the future has to do with economics.
The baby boomer generation has been spending their future incomes for quite some time now (living off the future).
No political party can change that, it's a done deal.
Pensions have been based in speculation for quite some time and when you speculate there are always two potential directions things can go.
I guess it's just time to pay the piper.
The economic situation can be smoothed over with a good round of inflation, but the behavior must change in order to avoid the cycle again.

Blame it on the pill..  really.

[SFandEE]

IMO politics is just another smoke screen. The real problem concerning the future has to do with economics.
The baby boomer generation has been spending their future incomes for quite some time now (living off the future).
No political party can change that, it's a done deal.

And so we have ex-military Boomers on here calling the current US president a socialist/communist when their generation invented entitlements from their children and have done nothing with all their political power to change this.  Even still in talks of reform the Boomer generation requires they not incur one single deviation from the unfunded promises they made to themselves.


Were they squealing about socialism when W gave them their prescription entitlements at no expense to them, but to the 20 and 30 year olds trying to pay for an education system that Boomers had given to them?


They profited off of the debt in their business, as military (employees or contractors), universities, or as federal employees and have done nothing to fix their economic ill will towards the younger US generations.  The best they can offer is that they love their country and let's sing "America the Beautiful"  I should look up and share the video of Mitt singing "America the Beautiful".  What a tool.

[Darth_Budda]

And so we have ex-military Boomers on here calling the current US president a socialist/communist when their generation invented entitlements from their children and have done nothing with all their political power to change this.  Even still in talks of reform the Boomer generation requires they not incur one single deviation from the unfunded promises they made to themselves.


Were they squealing about socialism when W gave them their prescription entitlements at no expense to them, but to the 20 and 30 year olds trying to pay for an education system that Boomers had given to them?


They profited off of the debt in their business, as military (employees or contractors), universities, or as federal employees and have done nothing to fix their economic ill will towards the younger US generations.  The best they can offer is that they love their country and let's sing "America the Beautiful"  I should look up and share the video of Mitt singing "America the Beautiful".  What a tool.

Well Said!!

As I have told many people Obama is Not a Socialist!
I can guarantee one thing, The next election will be won by a crook..


Both and mitt and Obama have the same pay masters...
This country is no longer a democracy of the people.

It's a democracy of the dollar bill... 
 

[OlgaH]

Such are the ails of a 'no tolerance' society with the added kick of media and political dogging.

this 'no tolerance' is selective... for days they are talking on TV about "secret service prostitution scandal" and just casually mentioned sexual crime problem in the Army that increased and covered up. 

[Darth_Budda]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/andrew-breitbart-died-heart-failure-coroner-122824951--abc-news-topstories.html


So they say he just liked to drink?

[tfcrew]

What if the  'lesser of two evils' is a scumbag?

Mitt Romney and Bain Capital Represent Everything You Hate About Capitalism"Like a lot of private equity firms, Bain managed the company for financial results, not production results," says Foster. "It didn't invest in maintenance or immediate customer needs. All that came second to meeting monthly financial goals."
It would take a few more years of bleeding, but GSI eventually fell to bankruptcy.
The Kansas City mill closed for good; 750 people lost their jobs. Worse, Romney had shorted their pension fund by $44 million. The feds were forced to cover the difference, while workers saw benefits slashed in bankruptcy court.
The battered Georgetown plant and the foundries in Arizona and Minnesota ultimately were bought out of bankruptcy by new companies. Their work forces were halved.
Still, Romney walked away unbruised. All that debt was technically GSI's, not Bain's. Because he'd repaid himself and his investors just months after the purchase, Romney pocketed millions for running the company into the ground.
"They were clever and ruthless enough to pay their own investors back at a really high return rate," says Foster.
This was the beauty of Romney's racket. Even if he killed a company — and he tended to kill them fairly often — he still made out, leaving others to take the hit.

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2012-04-19/news/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-represent-everything-you-hate-about-capitalism/

[calmissile]

tfcrew


What if the  'lesser of two evils' is a scumbag?

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2012-04-19/news/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-represent-everything-you-hate-about-capitalism/

This is an excellent read.  I read the whole story.  If it is all true, the guy is a scum bag!

Now the real question once again........
If Obama and Romney are the only real choices  which is the least of two evils?
Or another way of looking at it in the long term...........
Can the US survive following more years of the two parties running the US into the toilet?
If so, which party is going to do the least damage to our long term need to recover from all this mess?

[Darth_Budda]

tfcrew


What if the  'lesser of two evils' is a scumbag?

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2012-04-19/news/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-represent-everything-you-hate-about-capitalism/

This is an excellent read.  I read the whole story.  If it is all true, the guy is a scum bag!

Now the real question once again........
If Obama and Romney are the only real choices  which is the least of two evils?
Or another way of looking at it in the long term...........
Can the US survive following more years of the two parties running the US into the toilet?
If so, which party is going to do the least damage to our long term need to recover from all this mess?

If Obama wins, it will be his last 4 years no matter what...
He might be more likely to push for real change..

If Mitt wins he will have to listen to his corporate sponsors if he wants to go a full 8 years.

Either way a crook will be in the white house... Time to abandon the 2 party monopoly and start supporting minor parties.

[calmissile]

Either way a crook will be in the white house... Time to abandon the 2 party monopoly and start supporting minor parties.

Probably not going to happen, at least for some time.
The only presidential candidate of a 3rd party that had any significance was Ross Perot.
Only because he was a billionaire was he able to compete.
In spite of his blunders during the campaign, and being attacked by both major parties, he eek-ed out nearly 20% of the popular vote.
I think it showed that America is ready for a new third party that represents middle class America and small business as well.

The problem is that it's not going to happen until we first have major campaign finance reform.
Reform will be fought by both current political parties because they both believe they can 'buy' votes with advertising.  They also know that a 3rd party candidate is unlikely to compete in the money game, and all the more reason to leave it like it is.

The other fight will come from the media that rakes in huge amounts from all the political advertising.  Perhaps the more widespread the internet becomes in our lives,  this could be minimized.

The biggest hurdle is that the two existing parties make the laws, and campaign finance reform in not even on their agenda,  just like tort reform!

It will be interesting to watch the pissing contests over the next few months to see if any important issues come out of the current smokescreen.

[Darth_Budda]

Either way a crook will be in the white house... Time to abandon the 2 party monopoly and start supporting minor parties.

Probably not going to happen, at least for some time.
The only presidential candidate of a 3rd party that had any significance was Ross Perot.
Only because he was a billionaire was he able to compete.
In spite of his blunders during the campaign, and being attacked by both major parties, he eek-ed out nearly 20% of the popular vote.
I think it showed that America is ready for a new third party that represents middle class America and small business as well.

The problem is that it's not going to happen until we first have major campaign finance reform.
Reform will be fought by both current political parties because they both believe they can 'buy' votes with advertising.  They also know that a 3rd party candidate is unlikely to compete in the money game, and all the more reason to leave it like it is.

The other fight will come from the media that rakes in huge amounts from all the political advertising.  Perhaps the more widespread the internet becomes in our lives,  this could be minimized.

The biggest hurdle is that the two existing parties make the laws, and campaign finance reform in not even on their agenda,  just like tort reform!

It will be interesting to watch the pissing contests over the next few months to see if any important issues come out of the current smokescreen.

I still think Ron Paul will run under a 3rd Minor party..

http://rt.com/usa/news/ron-paul-money-race-590/

EDIT:
Ahhhhh The French Left....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17637181

[newjason]

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[tfcrew]

How Obama might win......

http://usmessageboards.com/showthread.php?t=9332#jobs