Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Trip Reports => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on July 21, 2022, 12:27:56 AM
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Ok, amateur hour over with, time for me to be up :D
So now roughly planning a trip to Chișinău, Moldova. All being well this will be around end of September/beginning of October. My house should roughly be finished then and either have a couple of rooms rented out to students or if I've missed the start of the academic year then possibly not so in which case I mights as well go abroad for a well deserved get away I think. My job I will need to keep on a while longer to help pay back some small borrowings which occurred while doing the house.
So for the moment I'll just be able to get away for about 3 days over the weekend. That's not too bad as at least the girls are probably less likely to be at work. I reckon I can potentially meet with 2 girls a day, one in the morning another in the evening each of the three days so potentially up to 6 girls in total. I won't be messaging until just before I go but am confident I can get girls up this quickly now :)
Original plan was of course Odesa, Ukraine but with Ukraine locked in war and me without lots of time on my hands at present to do a border crossing it looks like fate has decided that one is of the cards, at least for the time being. I've no doubt that for the budding adventurer Ukraine could offer a lot of relationship opportunity at present but I really need to keep my job on a few months longer to ensure I'm financially sound, so Moldova is the best I can do for the time being.
In theory I'm looking at the prospect of like Odesa potentially living over there part of the time and part of the time in the UK to take care of business and see family. On that front I would be looking for a girl who would be happy enough to live in Chișinău and have a relationship with me there without me being there all the time. Though that would kind of be like when the guy goes out to work I figure just in a slightly different pattern.
The meet ups is just the first initial stage. From that I have to find a girl who I think fits the bill where we suit each other and into each other. I don't know if I would accomplish that on this first trip out to Chișinău or subsequent trips. Once I've got a girl (hopefully) and she seems into me enough I can then rent a decent apartment and move forward from there so like my plan for Odesa.
This plan should suit quite well I think without a lot of waffle, waffle, waffle beforehand which neither I nor many of the girls it appears seem to want. I myself prefer to meet the physical presence of the girl rather than video chat as you find out there and then if there is any chemistry, no messing around.
Between then and now I'm going to try and concentrate on improving my physique. The diet is going well so continuing with that but I think I could do more on the weights so hopefully will. The language learning is going ok but obviously not anything significant yet but that will have to go as it goes, I've only really got spare time for that at present.
So, all in all should be all set. It's a good couple of months away as yet but pencilling in a rough date helps to have something to look forward to. It's been a while since I was last out FSU direction so will be good to finally able to get back to it after what's happened over the past couple of years or so. When it all goes down I'll update here on my progress :)
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Ok, amateur hour over with...
So now roughly planning a trip to Chișinău, Moldova...
So for the moment I'll just be able to get away for about 3 days over the weekend...
Original plan was of course Odesa, Ukraine...
In theory I'm looking at the prospect of like Odesa...
The meet ups is just the first initial stage...
This plan should suit quite well I think...
Between then and now...
So, all in all should be all set...
Set? Hardly. Considering your record of posting such repeatedly, without ever setting foot in an airport, maybe continue with this one when you have your tickets in hand?
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Trenchcoat: you are good guy, very friendly...but don't look for my girl in Chisinau.
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Trenchcoat: you are good guy, very friendly...but don't look for my girl in Chisinau.
Lol, your safe enough there RWO as said before I'm not after a woman who already has kids too much bother for me when I can get women up without. I don't go to use women for sex either as another point of FSU dating is that while you're spending time with the wrong woman including just using women for sex you could be losing out on being with the right woman. Even if no dates lined up there's always the outside chance of meeting someone out and about if going around single. Like yourself I'm not into getting into situations of unprotected sex or sex with whatever woman I can get it off, with all the STI's and viruses knocking around these days it's just too risky to go all out on trying to get laid here, there and everywhere. Some guys try and mix the sex tourist and looking for a relationship outlook, I don't mind going with a girl who's hot who wants it with protected sex but I'm really after a real committed relationship. That's another issue that FSW face being used by sex tourists who make out they want a real relationship, some of whom are already married men.
Your girl is quite attractive I don't think quite my type looks wise so that's another reason I probably wouldn't go for her even if she didn't have a kid. I've got to kind of feel that the woman would go with me, complement me as 2tallbill had said in the past, 'can you see yourself waking up with Mrs Trenchcoat, RWO, etc' and I think that is a good point rather than just trying to get whoever comes up.
That all said I hope that you can no doubt see the problem with your approach. Your timing was way off for reasons you've brought up. In reality you can't really expect this lady not to get with other guys, not for potential relationships nor just for sex. Not just foreign guts but local guys also. Until you meet with a lady and offer her something, a meaningful long term relationship, marriage proposal (not necessarily straight away though you may not want to linger too much) then she's free to meet up with who she likes, you haven't offered her anything and that's how FSW see it. Hence she unfortunately isn't your girl until you get over there and make it so. It won't be me but potentially other guys that may be making moves on her, as an attractive lady even with a kid that is quite likely and has been said if they offer here a permanent arrangement that she likes she will drop you like she drops trash in the can, straight away and without thought. So remember however friendly things may be going with this woman it doesn't mean anything, it's what going on in her real life where she lives is what counts and until you visit you won't be included in that.
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Set? Hardly. Considering your record of posting such repeatedly, without ever setting foot in an airport, maybe continue with this one when you have your tickets in hand?
Very funny BC, well I could hardly go when the virus hit when there was no vaccine, not when flights weren't ruining or had a lot of restrictions. Before all of that when I said I would go I went. If recent I was planning for Odesa but then the war started and made that difficult plus I never gave a specific date set in stone it was always when I had done the house and it was suitable. So now I am back to going when I say I will do long as something real bad doesn't put paid to my plans there as well again. This time though I am feeling more hopeful, it will be my first time since the summer of 2019 that I will be back out in the FSU and first time in visiting Moldova. In a way lucky such a small enclave like Moldova exists as the rest isn't exactly an easy deal at the moment so hopefully come late September/early October it will all be on and I'll be getting out over there :)
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Ok, so RWO will probably be relieved to know it's probably a darker haired girl I see myself with rather than a blonde. I mean blonde can be hot but I just think darker hair girls are more suited to me, kind of a deepness to some of them that blondes just don't seem to have in terms of dark desires which I tend to like :P
Now over time my wardrobe and fashion style have come along a fair way I think since dating out in the FSU. Most of it I now have together and am pleased with it. My hair is one area I haven't quite settle yet, I can get different hairstyles done but often it reverts back to the same old same which is a pain I feel.
The other area that I not sure I've quite got licked is the jacket. Now I know I've shown members on here before the blue suit style jacket I got when I was in Kyiv with girl a few years back. Some reactions on here were to burn it, lol, I reasonably liked it but I have two concerns, one I think it's in Ukrainian style/look, wool blend looking type of jacket I think possibly Turkish import or similar. I know Krim seemed to think it better to go with a western style that is unique, quality, etc to stand out from the locals as that's what a lot of Ukrainian girls dig (No doubt similar in Moldova). I know of course that many Ukrainians dig the top fashion brand stuff. Anyhow, my second concern is while I think the jacket is nice enough, I'm not so sure that suit jackets are really me. Even though it's a little casual ish suit jacket the whole pocket square and formality of the jacket I think feels a bit too straight laced to me to really sit comfortably with who I am. I'm thinking a leather jacket may really suit me more, possibly blazer style to keep it smart direction but also to keep it light. As far as bad weather is concerned I think I would just have to keep it treated and go with it as it is and avoid being outside too much in real bad weather. I'm just thinking on the whole it reflects who I am better and the type of girl I would like. Like said before someone with a bit of an edge so think maybe it's better to not attract girls who are too straight laced wanting another generic big standard suit guy if you know what I mean. To my mind I'm just thinking it may get me nearer to the type of girl I'm after. So think I may look around for a leather blazer type of jacket between now and proposed Moldova visit and see if I can find something I like :)
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Jacket depends a lot on the time of the year you’re going…
in the cold, I’d recommend something like these:
http://www.cashmereboutique.com/product-category/men/coats-men/
and between now and Fall, I’d skip a jacket altogether….
My all time biggest fashion hit was wearing a “Marlborro Man Jacket” and speaking with my normal Virginian (light southern) accent in the UK back when I was a youngster
I saw more little pink clams back then then you could EVER imagine, and I liked how the girls reacted when I touched them...
remember: Perception is Reality: You ARE what you APPEAR TO BE!!!
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Jacket depends a lot on the time of the year you’re going…
in the cold, I’d recommend something like these:
http://www.cashmereboutique.com/product-category/men/coats-men/
and between now and Fall, I’d skip a jacket altogether….
My all time biggest fashion hit was wearing a “Marlborro Man Jacket” and speaking with my normal Virginian (light southern) accent in the UK back when I was a youngster
I saw more little pink clams back then then you could EVER imagine, and I liked how the girls reacted when I touched them...
remember: Perception is Reality: You ARE what you APPEAR TO BE!!!
Looks like I could pick myself up an authentic Donald Trump coat at the Cashmere store Krim :D
Yeah think you're right that at this time of year probably no jacket at all.
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Decided to go with getting a black leather blazer jacket for the colder times of the year and a blue shacket for the warmer summer months, so keeps it nice and casual smart. I'm not intending to do the whole theatre /orchestra scene as it's not for me and that sort of girl wouldn't suit me. Fortunate in recent years there has been a decline in Ukraine in that scene and the virus no doubt further decreasing interest in it as I know at one point it was pretty dominant. I'll keep the suit jacket for whenever it might come in useful but I think better to go with stuff that I would likely everyday wear and is more me so long as it looks decent enough I think which I think it should. It's more about attracting the right sort of girl that would fit with me I think.
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Kind of slightly frustrating period at the moment, a couple of months wait till I get to make a trip out to Moldova. Can prepare a bit along the way of course, bit more Russian learning etc but kind of feeling I wouldn't mind being there like yesterday, but know I can't do anything at the moment so really just waiting it out for a few weeks. A pain but I guess only around eight weeks or so, so hopefully will be able to update soon with action on the ground with a bit of luck I hope.
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I was watching this video:
http://youtu.be/KaV2aj5vGn0
And I was struck by how many signs I understood. Romanian is the official language of Moldova and is one of the four romance languages along with French, Italian and Spanish.
Entering random words into Google Translate suggests Italian is the closest language to Romanian. Only a few words in Romanian are close to Russian.
Long term you would be better off learning Romanian or probably Italian if that is easier. Learning French for a few years will give you a bigger legs up than Russian which is a much harder language to master. Just entering 50 words I found 40% of words were either the same or almost the same. Even French words were closer than Russian the exceptions being masina (car) and potato (cartof)
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I was watching this video:
http://youtu.be/KaV2aj5vGn0
And I was struck by how many signs I understood. Romanian is the official language of Moldova and is one of the four romance languages along with French, Italian and Spanish.
Entering random words into Google Translate suggests Italian is the closest language to Romanian. Only a few words in Romanian are close to Russian.
Long term you would be better off learning Romanian or probably Italian if that is easier. Learning French for a few years will give you a bigger legs up than Russian which is a much harder language to master. Just entering 50 words I found 40% of words were either the same or almost the same. Even French words were closer than Russian the exceptions being masina (car) and potato (cartof)
Interesting video Steven, much appreciate, thank you for sharing :)
I think my biggest take away from it was that it was much quieter and more serene in the park. That wouldn't be a bad place to meet up for a date I think, a lot more of a more romantic setting than the street & market stuff - some awful road noise as sirens there that would just ruin my mojo.
Funny that you say about the Romanian language Steven, I pushed myself to do a little more last night of Romanian. I managed to get a free Pimsleur download with an Amazon Audio trial of the first set of lessons. I do feel it's a little easier than Russian, I'm not sure why perhaps an easier flowing of words I guess. I don't know much in the way of Italian so not much to go on by way of comparison there, I guess Italian has roots in Roman and Roman to Romania maybe.
At the moment I'm still just confining it to learning a few basics, 'hello, excuse me, etc, etc' just to be able to deal with stuff without relying on English or translation apps totally as they can both be a bit too much of a crutch and restrict awareness of very basic ability to pick up on the culture around which can make oneself feel a bit out of it I think.
I think I might possibly try some Russian out while out there and see if it's understood. For me Russian is handy as a catch all language out that way and I get the impression it's in widespread use in Moldova. In theory I could always end up meeting a Ukrainian girl out there who may be more familiar with Russian than Romanian so want to keep my options open I think before committing too much time to learning Romanian as still a fair bit further in with Russian language at the moment so will see how it goes I think.
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There's a lot of "potholes" in the "streets" there...😉
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Well some good news for me tonight, while thinking the whole jacket thing over again tonight I decided to input a search for the Seersucker jacket I was interested in buying a couple of years ago. At the time Armani had marked it down but it was still a few hundred pounds so I hesitated as it was around the start of the Coronavirus pandemic and I had other more pressing matters on my mind. Anyhow, it must have been popular as they sold out after only a few weeks I think it was though possibly they may have not made a lot of those jackets. I input searches for it occasionally over the past couple of years but no joy and I kind of felt that I should have bought it at the time as I became quite taken with it. Armani themselves have not since produced any more, they have done other seersucker jackets but I tend not to like the colour or style of them, then there is the hefty price. The thing I liked about the Seersucker jacket they had done was that it seemed a nice vibrant colour, was a casual breezy sort of design/cut and of course like most Seersucker jackets could be worn in relatively warm weather. So assuming there is no real extreme weather potentially it could be worn year long round.
So yeah I input the search and up it pops, turns out that some retail outlet in the US is selling one new with original Armani labels attached. What's more is that its around my size. Probably on the tightest possible size but I'm looking to lose a little more weight plus I can always leave the jacket open which I tend to prefer anyway. I had to pay about £15 for it to be sent and about £35 or so in import tax but think I got a bargain for it at £177 all in including exchange rate conversation :D
A bit of a bummer that the pound is a bit weaker against the dollar than it was at the moment, not sure why as otherwise would have got it a bit cheaper still but doubt another one will come up easily as I don't think they're are many of them around then most people will hang onto them I think, plus the size may be a bit far out or the price higher. So thought I would put in for it now while it was there and grab a good bargain.
So there we have it, I'm pretty pleased with my purchase as my search for a jacket is over. The two mentioned earlier I may still get but I think this jacket should be a good catch all one, good for many weathers, smart enough but not too formal, a nice casual feel and a decent brand, cut, style, material, etc which hopefully will go down well in the FSU. I think the jacket could suit me well without me thinking if it's not really me, will have to wait until it arrives in mid August but I'm now feeling more confident that I have a jacket to go out to Moldova in and look good I think. The rest of the stuff, trousers, shoes etc I have sorted it was really the jacket that was the one last hold out as while the jacket I got over in Kyiv before with girl was decent enough, it was the kind of stuff the locals walk around in out there so didn't really boost me I think. That and it was slightly formal, it had a wool nitty type of texture so avoided being real formal which was nice but just kind of think this jacket is a bit more casual but classy looking so a bit more me I think really.
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Well some good news for me tonight, while thinking the whole jacket thing over again tonight I decided to input a search for the Seersucker jacket I was interested in buying a couple of years ago. At the time Armani had marked it down but it was still a few hundred pounds so I hesitated as it was around the start of the Coronavirus pandemic and I had other more pressing matters on my mind. Anyhow, it must have been popular as they sold out after only a few weeks I think it was though possibly they may have not made a lot of those jackets. I input searches for it occasionally over the past couple of years but no joy and I kind of felt that I should have bought it at the time as I became quite taken with it. Armani themselves have not since produced any more, they have done other seersucker jackets but I tend not to like the colour or style of them, then there is the hefty price. The thing I liked about the Seersucker jacket they had done was that it seemed a nice vibrant colour, was a casual breezy sort of design/cut and of course like most Seersucker jackets could be worn in relatively warm weather. So assuming there is no real extreme weather potentially it could be worn year long round.
So yeah I input the search and up it pops, turns out that some retail outlet in the US is selling one new with original Armani labels attached. What's more is that its around my size. Probably on the tightest possible size but I'm looking to lose a little more weight plus I can always leave the jacket open which I tend to prefer anyway. I had to pay about £15 for it to be sent and about £35 or so in import tax but think I got a bargain for it at £177 all in including exchange rate conversation :D
A bit of a bummer that the pound is a bit weaker against the dollar than it was at the moment, not sure why as otherwise would have got it a bit cheaper still but doubt another one will come up easily as I don't think they're are many of them around then most people will hang onto them I think, plus the size may be a bit far out or the price higher. So thought I would put in for it now while it was there and grab a good bargain.
So there we have it, I'm pretty pleased with my purchase as my search for a jacket is over. The two mentioned earlier I may still get but I think this jacket should be a good catch all one, good for many weathers, smart enough but not too formal, a nice casual feel and a decent brand, cut, style, material, etc which hopefully will go down well in the FSU. I think the jacket could suit me well without me thinking if it's not really me, will have to wait until it arrives in mid August but I'm now feeling more confident that I have a jacket to go out to Moldova in and look good I think. The rest of the stuff, trousers, shoes etc I have sorted it was really the jacket that was the one last hold out as while the jacket I got over in Kyiv before with girl was decent enough, it was the kind of stuff the locals walk around in out there so didn't really boost me I think. That and it was slightly formal, it had a wool nitty type of texture so avoided being real formal which was nice but just kind of think this jacket is a bit more casual but classy looking so a bit more me I think really.
WGAS?
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WGAS?
Ah returned to see my moment of triumphant purchase Gaunty, yep I knew you would be keenly interested to hear :D
Here is the original discussion on the topic about the jacket:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24481.25
The link to the jacket no longer works but I thought a good discussion all the same.
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Well update, after a short while wondering if they might renege on the deal my jacket has finally been sent on its way to me, which could prove to be quite the game changer :D
Original price was $795 but I picked it up for about a quarter of the original price.
In the UK think it was about £500 if I recall right and that was discounted by at least a couple of hundred probably as COVID was just hitting at the time and last thing on most people's minds was buying that sort of merchandise, toilet paper being the main commodity of interest.
Anyway looks like I was right to hold off, saved a bunch on money as a result, hopefully all will be good when it arrives.
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Ok, jacket on the way, a long journey from the US but when it arrives it will no doubt transform me into epic Superhero status :D
Done a brief bit of Romanian language learning nothing much just a few basic words, hello, goodbye, etc to familiarise myself with the language a little. I'll mainly be relying on translate apps and possibly a bit of Russian but if the girl knows English enough that will be handy. I've decided now to move back over to learning Russian a few min here & there again since despite everything I think it will remain a catch all language out there if not a popular one. I've spent to much time learning what I have to date of Russian to toss that away now and I've no idea where I may meet a girl so think best stick to that one rather than invest too much time in a language that is just valid for one country in the FSU. I think being a foreigner the girl will likely forgive the use of it if she doesn't know English to well depending on the girl of course.
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Ok, jacket arrived today after its long journey from the US, not bad as arrived pretty quick about a week ahead of estimated time. Anyhow it arrived and the package was so light, I opened it and all was good. The jacket was there and in good condition. I tried it on and OMG it feels real ethereal, just so light, perfect for the Summer, it's more like shacket level of thinness but in a more suit rather than shirt/overshirt style. It looks great though, for me it's a slight small/tight fit but just about large enough to fit into without looking ridiculous or being uncomfortable (size 38R US chest size). One size larger would probably have been perfect but beggars can't be choosers as they say. My guess is its smaller size is why it was still going for sale as new with all the original tickets still on it as many US guys too big for it ;) Anyhow, it makes my small arm muscles look bigger :D Previous girl I was with would probably have picked it out as the right size for me, I have a habit of oversizing too much though I wonder if it may be slightly undersize, if I breath in I can button it but it looks a bit ridiculous like that lol so unbuttoned it should suffice and look good enough. Can't wait to give it a test run out in Moldova in a few weeks time. I'm going in as a businessman as Krim suggests and so need a look that fits so it should do that I think. It's the way things are going in my life at any rate as when I rent the house out I will essentially be moving that way, my business being Property.
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I think one thing for me to work on a bit more between now and the trip is to focus on losing a bit more weight. I'm not massively over, nothing that shows at least and have lost weight gradually since the start of the year but I'm still slightly over. I've reduced my body fat percentage from 28 percent to around 23 percent since the start of the year. Ideally I would like to reduce it more than the very small weekly reduction to date just to try and look more in shape for the trip. I think on this trip I've got a fair chance of getting some girls up and so hopefully it won't fall flat as some previous trips as the guys know on here were a bit mixed. So just got to get out there and bring to bear the stuff I've learnt over the years and see how I can get on.
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Trenchcoat: you are good guy, very friendly...but don't look for my girl in Chisinau.
Just curious, why?
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TC,
Have you made any contacts in moldova?
For what its worth i never dressed any differently in ukraine thsn here or prague or vienna.
If i was meeting someone for a date, i would dress suitably to the location of the date.
A walk.in the park and local.cafe,date , is different than a snappy restuarant etc.
i dressed neutral for a given situation ,not to.impress.
That absolutely isnt my thing in regular life ,so.i sure dint.want to give that impression.
While i may dress up.for a given occassion i still wont be the best dressed at any given event so im.not going to be at any given date either lol
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TC,
Have you made any contacts in moldova?
For what its worth i never dressed any differently in ukraine thsn here or prague or vienna.
If i was meeting someone for a date, i would dress suitably to the location of the date.
A walk.in the park and local.cafe,date , is different than a snappy restuarant etc.
i dressed neutral for a given situation ,not to.impress.
That absolutely isnt my thing in regular life ,so.i sure dint.want to give that impression.
While i may dress up.for a given occassion i still wont be the best dressed at any given event so im.not going to be at any given date either lol
I guess I'm going with first impressions count so to speak. I don't doubt that it can be done wearing whatever but some people are more impressive looks wise or physically if say they are athletic. Anyway will see how it goes down in a few weeks I guess.
I haven't made any contacts yet, I'll do that about a week before I go, I'm pretty sure I can bring someone up but worst case scenario the trip will go slightly touristy even though its not really a touristy sort of place in any big way - that I don't mind as it can help focus my mind on the task at hand.
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Jumpy: Don't worry, my girl was a scammer. Trench can look for her no problem. :D
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Jumpy: Don't worry, my girl was a scammer. Trench can look for her no problem. :D
I'm going to guess what Jumper was getting at is until you've met and agreed a relationship it's really anyone's game, so in theory all quite ethical even morally acceptable to make a play for your girl, if I wanted. I didn't as you know I really try to avoid women with kids as it doesn't sit well with me, all the problems etc.
If she was still on Fdate I reckon I could message her a week before my meet and go meet her, no need for video chat as you have done the groundwork there for me ;D I guessing I could meet her if I do wanted and odds are I wouldn't find anything scammer about her. Like I say I have no wish to do that but the point is, is that I'm pretty sure the reason for it going south had likely nothing to do with scamming but her choice in her life in what she decided she wanted.
I think the 6 month wait was a real killer in your chances I'm afraid RWO. As someone said bear the being of your thread it gives many days, weeks & months for a guy to beat you to it, meet her in person and blow you away, foreign or local, my guess is probably local.
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Looks like Moldova is worried about Nuclear fallout!
http://www.euronews.com/amp/2022/08/15/moldova-ships-in-radiation-pills-as-fighting-rages-near-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-i
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Jumpy: Don't worry, my girl was a scammer. Trench can look for her no problem. :D
I actually misread your post.
I thought you told TC to not look for *A* girl in Moldova.
I did not read *my girl*
Apologies
TC good luck,and yes first impressions are important.
I tend to intentionally downplay wardrobe a bit as it's completely not my thing.
I take the hit in that and if I cant overcome it,oh well, we likely wernt a good match anyway.
My off time is spent riding or hiking or camping or fishing in forest,lakes ,beaches, mountains, creeks, rivers etc.
Odds someone into fashion even slightly is a match for me ,are way way out there,so i dont sweat that aspect.
Everyone is different and your thoughts are generally a good idea on making a good first impression
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I actually misread your post.
I thought you told TC to not look for *A* girl in Moldova.
I did not read *my girl*
Apologies
TC good luck,and yes first impressions are important.
I tend to intentionally downplay wardrobe a bit as it's completely not my thing.
I take the hit in that and if I cant overcome it,oh well, we likely wernt a good match anyway.
My off time is spent riding or hiking or camping or fishing in forest,lakes ,beaches, mountains, creeks, rivers etc.
Odds someone into fashion even slightly is a match for me ,are way way out there,so i dont sweat that aspect.
Everyone is different and your thoughts are generally a good idea on making a good first impression
Thanks Jumper appreciate the input, I think it's good you're able to look at it from a different angle as many guys would just see how they are and not realise that others are different. Yeah the great outdoors is not really me, at least not in the full on sort of way. I don't mind the once in a blue moon camping (with airbed, comforts, etc) short walk for a day or so sort of thing or drive out into the countryside but overall it really not my sort of scene. I would rather be in a luxury hotel facility in a nice town or city centre enjoying what it had to offer. I have little in the way of all that hiking garb as it's not what I'm really into and never liked the look of all that stuff, it's all king of dark greens, browns and stuff, anoraks are a big turn off or me ;D
On many western dating sites they have pics of women into hiking and they're normally so clobbered up in gear I can't even make out who it is lol. Most come complete with the tea cosy on top and possibly sunglasses which completes the undercover agent look :ROFL:
I mean I know they are supposed to look the part but kind of think the hiking boots, often hiking stick and anorak or duffle coat dies that. I think just why couldn't they take off the tea cosy, remove the sunglasses just for the photo so the viewer could at least see a bit if what they look Iike, face, hair, etc. Even if the duffle coat or anorak is insuring their figure at least it would give some idea but instead they seem to always put up those perculiar photos where the viewer could possibly tell who it is :-\
Possibly it would be ok doing the odd hill walk for a bit if exercise but if I had a girl who wanted to do it frequently I think it would do my head in. I think I would feel that I'm wasting too much time up and down the countryside that could be better spent elsewhere. Cheap activity enough I guess but regularly not for me.
For me there is nothing better than a girl being in a tarty dress or skirt all the time :P That of course tends to happen in more comfortable locations. That's really the sort of girl I tend to enjoy, if she can cook well then that's a bonus doesn't need to be a lot as I do t mind eating out in restaurants etc. The beach & pool scene is also good for me but I can only take so much lounging around until I get bored. Walking around and exploring cities I don't mind as that can be mixed in with restaurants and seeing famous sights. I think I prefer famous sites more than museums as they can get a bit samey. I don't mind the odd bit of photography either again not all the time but those sort of pedestrian activities fit in well with me really. On western dating sites the extreme activity girls were the ones that used to really annoy me, all the bungie jumping, zip lining sort of girls, just such a cliche that they seemed to think every guy should fit into, just became really annoying to keep getting profiles like that come up, holds absolutely no appeal for me whatsoever.
So for me it's great that FSW are rarely into all that extreme sport stuff as the way they are tends to be a better fit for me I think possibly not absolutely perfect fit but way better for sure.
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Learning a few more minutes of Russian tonight. Apparently looking up on Google it's reckon that learning Russian takes approximately 1100 hours to reach fluency whereas Romanian takes approximately half that time about 580 hours. Russia being essentially a Slavic language and harder to learn while Romanian mostly a Latin (or Romance) language and therefore more nearer to English but with some Slavic influence also.
Looking up it appears that Romanian is not well known in Ukraine or Russia so it's mostly limited to Romania & Moldova, Moldova having once been part of Romania. At the moment I've not got string enough reason to ditch learning Russian for Romanian as there's no telling if I will get with a girl in a relationship in Moldova. Apparently in Moldova, Romanian is the official language spoken most then Russian and after that and increasing is English. So I'll plonk along with Russian language learning for the time being, it's going slowly but slowly is better than not at all I think. When I have more time on my hands I think I will devote more time to learning Russian even more better. But for the moment learning a catch all language seems better to me still than a regional one unless I did meet a woman there of course.
Ideally Ukraine is likely a more comfortable fit than Moldova as a lot more Russian usage there I get the impression even if it's a sore topic at the moment and likely in future. Possibly I might meet a Ukrainian girl in Moldova so will just see how things go. The Russian language itself I kind of feel fairly at ease with it as I think my mind can grapple with the pronunciations as it's that way minded where I hear one struggle. I can see why as some words are a bit of a tongue twister but I can just about spit it out. When I was younger I used to roll my 'r's naturally so probably indicates that my mind is geared towards Russian pronunciation quite well. So yeah I don't think I'll get anywhere near fluent but a decent enough standard will do me.
Moldova seems a decent enough option for me at the moment, with more time available maybe Belarus, they've kept out if the war to date which kind of surprised me but Lukashenko seems to be a wily old sort and careful not to throw in his lot with Putler. So as they have kept out of it, it might still be one for me to consider in future.
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Ok well Russian language learning decision been having the slight hang up about but looking online even though it's not as popular in usage in Ukraine as it was I think it's still the best investment across the board. No I wouldn't be popular there with it at the moment but it comes down to it just not making sense to put all my eggs in one basket in terms of learning Ukrainian, Romanian, etc. I really only have the time to learn one language and to be honest only the aptitude for it as well as I'm not a natural linguistic. In secondary school I was learning both French & German at the same time and it was hard going at first. French I had started learning from a younger age, around 11 and German I started learning around 13 so already learning French avoided the difficulty of starting learning two languages at the same time. That and they are both a bit different sounding to each other but not too far removed from English, German more so I feel. Ukrainian to me sounds like Russian backwards so it would really mess with my mind big time if I tried to learn Ukrainian I think, I would get all confused and muddled up with it all. I can see why some Ukrainians end up speaking a combination of both Ukrainian & Russian as the two are similar sounding even if different words. Romanian language is ok being Latin but I kind of just feel more of a bent towards learning Russian I think. Apart from already being invested in it and exploring it I guess I just like the nature of it in a way.
Above said I'm of course not committed to finding a Russian girl but am open as to whoever might suit me.
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Ok so I was going to go with the idea of writing to many women about a week before I left with the idea of lining up meet ups in a cafe/restaurant each day, about 2 a day over a 3 day visit period. One in the Morning and one in the Evening.
That idea was ok I think but thinking it through just now I don't think it may be ideal for me, I reckon I can do it but it's just not ideal I'm now thinking. I'm thinking instead that 2tallbill's WMVO strategy may suit me better, basically choose one girl to write to, get a date with on the first day, if it works out carry on, if not drop her and call up girls in reserve that I have written to about a week before. So in that way it can change from a WMVO to a WMVM.
Reason for the change being that I have used tinder in Odessa and other places to bring up women and while it brought up some women few if any of them really fitted the bill of what I'm looking for. So I can get up the dates but I'm not sure what would be the point if few of them fit what I am looking for. That would be before meeting and for sure some could be better than in photo, I've had that a bit before but I just kind of feel I need to aim for the bullseye for a girl that suits me. I know our loveable Oirishman on here before has said that he could tell from a girl's profile if she was right for him and there may be something in that.
For me I think it avoids finding a girl I may like and then all the decision to keep to the other set dates or blow them off to spend more time with her, if she has the time available at short notice. If we're getting on great I would spend more time with her, if not move on and if there are any others that might float my boat then do a meeting with them say on the last day potentially. Basically just judge it how it goes. I'm just thinking that would suit me better at this moment in time so will be my way forward on this trip I think.
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Ok, got a girl in her early twenties in my sights at the moment, I know a bit youngish but she's apparently open to older guys, may be contacting her in the near future.
Trenchie shoots, will he score??? :D
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Girl wants evenings out and restaurants, will Trench open his wallet...? ;)
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Ok, got a girl in her early twenties in my sights at the moment, I know a bit youngish but she's apparently open to older guys, may be contacting her in the near future.
Trenchie shoots, will he score??? :D
A woman in her early twenties who is "open" to a much older man usually is so open because she wants a comfortable material life. She may not tell you that. So, I suggest you tell this woman at the outset that you earn a below average salary in the UK.
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Girl wants evenings out and restaurants, will Trench open his wallet...? ;)
When the prices are like they were back in the 80s I will :D
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A woman in her early twenties who is "open" to a much older man usually is so open because she wants a comfortable material life. She may not tell you that. So, I suggest you tell this woman at the outset that you earn a below average salary in the UK.
I agree with the first statement, they usually are, I think in general they may see older men in a different light to younger men in the way they are and a comfortable material life coming with that. Fortunately for me prices in Moldova are a lot cheaper than in the UK so my money goes a lot further there :)
Now discussion of money though that would be a bit unseemly. No need to shut the door before I've wedged myself through it I think ;D
End of the day it will come to what she wants and of course I will have to see how it all weighs up and if we take to each other enough. If her needs are reasonable given it all I don't see any reason not to meet them at the given time.
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Well popped down the Doc's this morning to get a Typhoid vaccination for my trip to Moldova as moderate cases of it out there. Ended up not only getting that but also a Hepatitis A jab and a Tetanus booster, so got stabbed in both arms. Apparently found out should have got the Tetanus booster years ago as it only lasts about 10 years so hadn't had it since my jab of it at school nearly 30 years ago now. Not bad as I got it all free :D Well worth making sure you're all vaccinated up I think as poor countries like Moldova you could end up contracting stuff like that. Risk is probably lowish as the population there live with that stuff all the time and many probably have few vaccinations but you never know as they say.
The nurse also recommended health insurance and that seems a good idea now with the COVID still knocking around, etc. Got my flu vaccination in about a couple of weeks so should be all good to go, just need the important thing now which is to rummage up a bird to meet :)
Never actually ever gotten to use health insurance not sure how it goes if you get problems over there if you start waving your bit of paper around to the Doc's & Nurses one what.
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You need one more vaccine. Hepatitis B is spread when blood, semen, or other body fluids from a person infected with the virus enters the body of someone who is not infected.
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You need one more vaccine. Hepatitis B is spread when blood, semen, or other body fluids from a person infected with the virus enters the body of someone who is not infected.
Indeed, thanks ML, yeah well the Hep A and Tetanus was given as a joint one today. I've seen a Hep A as a joint one with a Hep B in the pharmacies, I would have to pay there if course. I don't think the NHS GP Docs do Hep B so for me I think I might as well get it with the Hep A again later in the year rather than single now. Apparently one shot of the Hep A lasts for about a year but that goes up to 30 years apparently with two shots so worth getting a second Hep A shit at some point within the next year.
I'm not really planning on having unprotected sex so I should be alright against Hep B but I think you're right in suggesting it for later down the way and just in case. I also wouldn't mind getting the Rabies vaccine at some point but I think that is probably less urgent. Although apparently you can have quite a few jabs at one time I still kind of like not too have too many in a short period of time. Might not be any reason not to but I just don't like the idea of having loads of vaccines within days if each other.
The first meet odds are I will leave it to her if she is up for it as I think the man pressing for it well unless she seems real into me could just cause problems. For me though unprotected sex with a girl who hasn't been checked out first is a complete no go for me.
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For me though unprotected sex with a girl who hasn't been checked out first is a complete no go for me.
Getting 'checked out' isn't really a problem solver.
Man or woman can test 'clear,' but 10 minutes later they could have sex with a third person and be 'active' with an STD.
Stick with condoms until you can lock her up in rooms with bars on the windows.
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Getting 'checked out' isn't really a problem solver.
Man or woman can test 'clear,' but 10 minutes later they could have sex with a third person and be 'active' with an STD.
Stick with condoms until you can lock her up in rooms with bars on the windows.
Lol, yep good idea ML.
Yeah it's not really totally comprehensive just to get her tested as like you say 10 min after she could have sex with some other guy. I kind of considered it but end of the day that's usually the best that can be done. Either that or get an ugly girl who too few guys would want to touch :D
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This site is quite a good one for anyone thinking about protecting themselves with jabs in the UK, particularly before travel:
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/travel-vaccinations/
Even if from another country it gives a good rundown of vaccinations I think.
It depends what country you are travelling to whether the GP will offer it in the UK for free. For Moldova the GP info was only to give the Hep A & Tetanus vaccine but I managed to wrangle the Typhoid one as well ;)
For some reason the GP's seemed unaware that there is at least a moderate typhoid problem out in Moldova.
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Still pressing on with trying to scout out a good girl to meet but this have taken a temporary back seat for a few days as other things have come up. Will likely get back to it over this weekend. At the moment been spending a little time on Photography a past time of mine which I haven't been able to get to for a while. Only taken it up a little more seriously of recent as really need to develop interests to have a bit more stuff happening in my life other than work. I think that is important in finding a girl as its better for compatibility. I kind of like photography as it's a relaxing easy going past time so it's good to spend a little time on it to get more out of it I think. Won't take too long on it though and think I could still be set to visit a girl by the end of the month :)
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Well got my Winter Flu jab this morning, one of the first in the country :D Cost me just £16.99 at Boots. Still got to wait for any reaction to kick in, last year wasn't too bad just an hour or so then was over at the moment felt a bit weaker & tired earlier then had a rest and all ok enough now atm. Australia etc have had a Flu epidemic during our summer so it will undoubtedly make its way here if not gathering pace already. With a bit of luck they'll have gotten the formula right this year and I'll be sound. Apparently it protects against four strains of the flu virus so hopefully they'll have gotten close with it.
Anyhow should hopefully keep me in good stead for any trip abroad. Took some more photos of myself the other day also and at least one came out suitable enough for my profile. That's handy as of recent I have only had one photo good enough to put up so another one will help make the profile more real and flesh it out a bit I think.
So now just still got to rummage up a bird to visit. I've been taking a break for a few days while I've sorted stuff like that and other things but will now hopefully be able to make a move on it and be a bit more successful with a bit of luck :)
Notice that bird flu is gathering pace here in Europe hopefully it won't cross over to humans as there seems to be a lot of birds getting it. If it does then that will be a whole new Virus pandemic that we'll have to suffer through and at the moment I'm not sure if we're really out of the COVID one.
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Back messaging some women tonight, got a couple of decent photos up now so should probably help. The more I look at the profiles on these dating sites the more I tend towards the younger women. It's not so much for the fact of wanting a woman who is young but more that I feel that a lot of the older women give me the impression that they just wouldn't fit well with me, too serious, too set in their ways, possibly too difficult to stop them from trying to lead, etc. The younger girls just look more playful and at ease if you know what I mean. So will just have to see what turns up anyway and KBO.
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a lot of the older women give me the impression that they just wouldn't fit well with me, too serious, too set in their ways, possibly too difficult to stop them from trying to lead, etc.
How can you tell this from the profiles ?
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How can you tell this from the profiles ?
I know it may be reading into a photo a bit which may potentially be highly inaccurate. Some to me is just the girl's look, how she comes across l, the clothes she wears the pose, where she poses. One profile was quite good as the woman was wearing a dress in most if not all of her profile but then in one she is sat in a sports car, Ferrari type of car posing with the car door open, it was probably just at some car show but had the alarm bells ringing as to her possibly expectations. This is the first night messaging where I have up'ed the number of girls I have contacted to about 5 as Daveman suggested. I'm not sure as to responses I may get back as may depend on when they go on there. Possibly may be hitting the too youngish side but they said they are open to my age group or I don't bother contacting. Possibly too much competition at that end of things. I don't mind an older woman but I think it would be finding the right one where it seems to fit I think.
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Back messaging some women tonight, got a couple of decent photos up now so should probably help. The more I look at the profiles on these dating sites the more I tend towards the younger women. It's not so much for the fact of wanting a woman who is young but more that I feel that a lot of the older women give me the impression that they just wouldn't fit well with me, too serious, too set in their ways, possibly too difficult to stop them from trying to lead, etc. The younger girls just look more playful and at ease if you know what I mean. So will just have to see what turns up anyway and KBO.
You just want a handful of young totty. All the rest is just you trying to justify that.
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You just want a handful of young totty. All the rest is just you trying to justify that.
Ah, I can see the jealousy rising within you Gaunty, frothing at the crotch no doubt ;D
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Still pressing forward with trying to up my style, just bought a new shirt tonight so just got to wait for that to arrive. Still losing weight which is good news, down to 82KG now so for me as a 6ft guy that is within healthy weight. Still want to lose more which should be achievable but also want to put on more muscle which tends to be more harder. My muscles at the moment seem like an inflatable up one minute and down the next. The moment I do less heavy lifting they go down which is kind of a pain as there doesn't seem a lit of long term gain for my work input there when I do work input into muscle building.
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Ah, I can see the jealousy rising within you Gaunty, frothing at the crotch no doubt ;D
Jealous of what exactly, one might ask.
I’ve done the talk and walked the walk.
You, on the other hand can only talk and even that’s getting you precisely nowhere.
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Jealous of what exactly, one might ask.
I’ve done the talk and walked the walk.
You, on the other hand can only talk and even that’s getting you precisely nowhere.
Of the desperately poor young hottie girls I'm in the process of lining myself up with ;D
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Of the desperately poor young hottie girls I'm in the process of lining myself up with ;D
Knock it off.
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Well anyway, a bit of mission creep in all of this, the original idea was to base myself out in Odesa, Ukraine if but temporarily at first and call up the girls as is. Then because of the war I moved it to Chișinău, Moldova. Then I decided on a trip out to meet a few girls to just get it there before my house is quite finished for letting some rooms out. The back extension inside us almost complete now and things are shaping up, but it will still be another couple of months before the place is in rental condition.
At the moment it's not been bad idea getting back into the swing of it, working on my profile, getting more photos done and finding my feet again in a changed world. I'm getting a bit of interest here & there but it looks like there is a lot of competition out there now, possibly a lot of Keyboard Romeo's taking up air time. On one girl's profile on Fdate for Ukraine she put 'don't be offended if I don't reply as I get so many men contact her she can only reply to so many' lol in her profile description or words to that effect. So to get a response from the more attractive girls on there isn't bad going but shows the level of competition on there at the moment.
I'm going to keep at it but whether I'll get to a visit before I finish my place and get independent income to go there for a while I don't know. It's not so bad as the better I can make my profile the better stead it will be for if I go out there for a little while anyway. Jus the see how it goes.
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Even tight wad students who don't want to pay half rent during the summer will be looking for somewhere to rent now. Universities will commence the 2022/23 academic year in a couple of weeks, not a couple of months.
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Even tight wad students who don't want to pay half rent during the summer will be looking for somewhere to rent now. Universities will commence the 2022/23 academic year in a couple of weeks, not a couple of months.
Yeah I've kind of missed the boat on that one. I'm just going to have to continue on, finish off my place and work out what to do then in terms of getting lodgers in etc. Main thing is the work on the house is coming bear the end now so that's at least something and will free me up a bit soon.
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Well got more communication going today tonight. Several different ladies from Ukraine in differing situations, one not in Ukraine but refugee, the two others in Ukraine. A little back and forth with them communication wise one more than the others. All three are pretty but I'm not so sure if any are quite my type. I mean some are hitting the criteria such as wanting kids but I'm just not sure if they are the right type. More info to find out about them I guess but at the moment they are coming over slightly generic like and I'm not so sure if there would be a connection there upon meeting them.
Just going to have to think about this aspect but for the moment plod on I think.
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Finding a lot of the girls I am getting up are in their thirties. Some girls in their twenties I've put in for but heard little back from I fall into their age limit what they have set, say up to 50 yes old or whatever but I don't tend to get interest from them as much as women in their thirties. Kind of makes me wonder why? If my age was a problem surely they would have set a lower age range, so not so sure if it is age or something else. My thoughts are that as they tend to be more on the attractive side they are probably inundated with guys contacting them so that's probably it. The bigger the age range they set too will no doubt encourage more men to contact them.
So not yet sorted on this one, I'm getting there possibly, making progress in what I want etc but at the same time have to take into account how to get there.
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Finding a lot of the girls I am getting up are in their thirties. Some girls in their twenties I've put in for but heard little back from I fall into their age limit what they have set, say up to 50 yes old or whatever but I don't tend to get interest from them as much as women in their thirties.
You need to find a good girl. A woman with the right motives and attitudes
to have a successful international relationship. You should be looking exclusively
at women in their late 30's to early 40's. Those are women who realize that
marriage and a family with a local man is highly unlikely and might be willing
to settle for what you bring to the table.
Women in their 20's have better options than a man barely above the poverty
line, who has unrealistic expectations and average looks and mediocre prospects
for the future.
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You need to find a good girl. A woman with the right motives and attitudes
to have a successful international relationship. You should be looking exclusively
at women in their late 30's to early 40's. Those are women who realize that
marriage and a family with a local man is highly unlikely and might be willing
to settle for what you bring to the table.
Women in their 20's have better options than a man barely above the poverty
line, who has unrealistic expectations and average looks and mediocre prospects
for the future.
Lol, you little f*cker.
Yeah, I know the girls in their thirties aren't a bad option as a lot of local guys view them as milk past their sell by date. Even the other guys International Dating pass over them for the younger girls I think. It's not so much that I mind the older women in terms of age but some of them are just not the right one in terms of the type of women they are for me, i.e they might be career types, not tarty enough types, etc.
I think this search has helped me narrow down the type of girl I want. I think I would best fit with a girl who is a creative type in some way and is probably a bit of a dolly bird, they seem to be the type of girls I like. So if I can find a girl like that probably in her thirties then I think that will probably do it for me. I think having a girl with a shared interest/interest area would be better for the relationship dynamics as then more to relate with each other and stuff to do from the get go. Other women I have met with different interests have tended not to work out for me as I think we have been two different people with too little connection.
Anyhow, so this is where I'm going to aim my search now, I'll hit the dating sites tonight and see what I can dig up along that basis and go from there I think.
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Possible problem ATM is that even some of the girls I contact that seem fairly on target seem to be off in some way or another. For example I contact one dolly bird looks girl and turns out she's got a PhD that and possibly lacking in a sense of humour. Another girl is a Ukrainian refugee living in the South of France and seemingly wants to learn French but not English :wallbash: and the French she is not finding easy to learn.
I mean I'm not expecting a girl who ticks all boxes here and I'm willing to adapt to a girl and her situation but I just keep to seemingly being wrong footed on these girls I'm contacting at the moment. Only upside so far is that at least I get some replies back for a short while at least I suppose.
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You need to find a good girl. A woman with the right motives and attitudes
to have a successful international relationship. You should be looking exclusively
at women in their late 30's to early 40's. Those are women who realize that
marriage and a family with a local man is highly unlikely and might be willing
to settle for what you bring to the table.
Women in their 20's have better options than a man barely above the poverty
line, who has unrealistic expectations and average looks and mediocre prospects
for the future.
Not being critical here of you TT but just wondering, why do you persist in this vein with Trench? The woman or women he seeks does not exist. The realists among us know this and that number doesn't include Trench. He loves the search, not the find. The 20 something yr old with model looks, highly educated and intelligent yet a bimbo enough to hook her wagon up to his and be the breadwinner doesn't exist or he'd have found her by now. Nobody has looked harder than he.
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Some girls in their twenties I've put in for but heard little back from I fall into their age limit what they have set, say up to 50 yes old or whatever but I don't tend to get interest from them as much as women in their thirties. Kind of makes me wonder why? If my age was a problem surely they would have set a lower age range, so not so sure if it is age or something else.
Really? How could you wonder why? Is age the only criteria you look at? Then why on earth would you think age is the only thing a girl would look at?
Yes, some hot girls in their 20's are willing to settle for a guy up to age 50...IF. And that's a really big IF.
If the guy is George Clooney.
If the guy is extremely good looking, and _____.
If the guy is extremely wealthy. (ie, multi-millionaire)
If the guy is in a position of high prestige. (ie, President, Prince, etc.)
And the 40-50 year old guy may have to have multiple things going for him.
The hot 20 year old isn't interested in any 50 year old geezer...but she might settle for the top 1% of the top 1% of 50 year old guys.
How many of those things do you have going for you?
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Not being critical here of you TT but just wondering, why do you persist in this vein with Trench? The woman or women he seeks does not exist. The realists among us know this and that number doesn't include Trench. He loves the search, not the find. The 20 something yr old with model looks, highly educated and intelligent yet a bimbo enough to hook her wagon up to his and be the breadwinner doesn't exist or he'd have found her by now. Nobody has looked harder than he.
I never mentioned 'highly educated and intelligent' I've got that part covered myself ;D Yeah I kind of find something refreshing in a girl who isn't highly educated and intelligent. Often they are carefree, easy going and have pleasant personalities. It also means I can fill in where she falls short. There's something nice about a girl who more about breast & bum than brains :)
So to be honest academic girls who rattle on about academic stuff normally bore me. I've done that scene a lot myself so I've kind of heard it all or at least as much as I would like too. I don't mind if the girl has an interest like Photography or something but academic stuff I would prefer not. Anyway you're comment FP has made me realise that the girl who has a PhD is probably wrong for me. A shame as looks wise she is hot, bang in the sort of thing I want. I'm guessing also that her personality might be a little too serious as a result for me possibly in an austere way. A girl that hot there must be so e reason she hasn't got a guy already other than too much time with her head in books. Anyway like the UK version of the TV show 'the Apprentice' 'the search continues' as the catch line at the end goes.
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I never mentioned 'highly educated and intelligent' I've got that part covered myself ;D Yeah I kind of find something refreshing in a girl who isn't highly educated and intelligent. Often they are carefree, easy going and have pleasant personalities. It also means I can fill in where she falls short. There's something nice about a girl who more about breast & bum than brains :)
So to be honest academic girls who rattle on about academic stuff normally bore me. I've done that scene a lot myself so I've kind of heard it all or at least as much as I would like too. I don't mind if the girl has an interest like Photography or something but academic stuff I would prefer not. Anyway you're comment FP has made me realise that the girl who has a PhD is probably wrong for me. A shame as looks wise she is hot, bang in the sort of thing I want. I'm guessing also that her personality might be a little too serious as a result for me possibly in an austere way. A girl that hot there must be so e reason she hasn't got a guy already other than too much time with her head in books. Anyway like the UK version of the TV show 'the Apprentice' 'the search continues' as the catch line at the end goes.
Dude, you are most definitely living in a fantasy world of your own making. Almost every single one of your posts and threads are complete nonsense...... :cluebat:
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Trench: "So to be honest academic girls who rattle on about academic stuff normally bore me."
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You might be interested to know that studies indicate that women with higher than average IQ also have higher than average sex drive.
One of the groups studied consisted of members of Mensa.
My own sample group adds some verification to this.
And in my experience, high IQ gals do not 'rattle on about academic stuff.'
But they can carry on intelligent conversations regarding many diverse topics.
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What is the minimum IQ to get into Mensa?
The minimum accepted score on the Stanford–Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148, and 130 for the Wechsler tests (WAIS, WISC). Most IQ tests are designed to yield a mean score of 100 with a standard deviation of 15; the 98th-percentile score under these conditions is 131 for the Stanford-Binet. Thus 132 and above indicates top 2% of the population which is the requirement for Mensa membership.
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Trench you would be more successful in your endeavour if you did a 180 and applied your reasoning to a lady. What lady would be interested in you and for what reasons.
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Trench you would be more successful in your endeavour if you did a 180 and applied your reasoning to a lady. What lady would be interested in you and for what reasons.
I pondered that one for a moment Steven and you have a good point. Working out more of what I wanted in a girl was kind of enlightening and I think gave me a better idea of the sort of relationship I need. Admittedly there is rarely a girl who will exactly tick all boxes even if there are not that many boxes. Considering why a girl would be interested in me and the reasons is another good angle on it all from the opposite direction. There's the basics like being a decent height, having a full crop of hair and perhaps a pastime in common. There's the basic provider ability of owning my own house, etc. I've done some work over time on how to present myself better clothes wise and lost a bit of weight not that I was over so much but now within a healthy weight and a bit leaner around the guy.
However, all of that might fall a bit short of what a hot girl would have in mind if totally honest with myself, more can perhaps be done. I think if I was able to get up into a more successful situation that could help in being more attractive to the women. I think being able to attain magnetism from women by being seen as doing a bit above and beyond the norm is where it's something to aim for now. I have something in mind on that front but I'll get into that later.
For now I think upping my game even more and pursuing that is the way to go, but yeah I think women (most of the hot ones) definitely want a guy who has something special going for him in some way.
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I think you would really benefit from not focussing on the hot girl in general. Go for the girl next door. Between 'the fatties' as you have mentioned many times before and 'the hotties' there exists a huge amount of women.
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I think you would really benefit from not focussing on the hot girl in general. Go for the girl next door. Between 'the fatties' as you have mentioned many times before and 'the hotties' there exists a huge amount of women.
Yeah I know I'm kind of setting myself a high bar. I'm not really looking for literally a model but probably just below that in looks a 7-8 girl roughly rather than a 9-10 girl. I know the 9-10 model girls will want more than I have at hand plus I find the 7-8 pretty girls (hotties as I call them) more authentic and natural looking. Even so I get that it's not an easy task I'm setting myself. In theory I could go for an everyday 5-6 ish looks girl but whether I feel chemistry would just be at that matter of time. I tend to find the 7-8 dolly bird sort of girls turn me on at least often as I think it's the type of girl I am naturally attracted to. Of course if I found a girl I could relate too on the creative front then possibly even if she wants around 7-8 in looks it could be a goer.
At the moment I'm aware that I'm probably still lagging in a few areas I could improve on so that's what I'm setting about to working on at the moment. I think with a bit of extra effort I could do it :)
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Yeah I know I'm kind of setting myself a high bar. I'm not really looking for literally a model but probably just below that in looks a 7-8 girl roughly rather than a 9-10
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Nah, go for the 9-10.. the 7-8 women THINK they are 9's and 10's. Delusion plays a big role in all of this. :ROFL:
I must reiterate:
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
AD NAUSEUM
AD INFINITUM
HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS??
If you contact a thousand women (a number pulled straight from the nether regions, but may be close) you'll find a few who are actually attracted to YOU. She must be attracted to YOU and not anything else such as a life in the UK. If she isn't she'll be an always irritated disrespectful pain in the ass forever after the honeymoon phase. Would you tolerate that bullshit? Then it's divorce court. SO it's not merely finding a woman who'll marry you... Did i mention this is a numbers game?
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Nah, go for the 9-10.. the 7-8 women THINK they are 9's and 10's. Delusion plays a big role in all of this. :ROFL:
I must reiterate:
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
AD NAUSEUM
AD INFINITUM
HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS??
If you contact a thousand women (a number pulled straight from the nether regions, but may be close) you'll find a few who are actually attracted to YOU. She must be attracted to YOU and not anything else such as a life in the UK. If she isn't she'll be an always irritated disrespectful pain in the ass forever after the honeymoon phase. Would you tolerate that bullshit? Then it's divorce court. SO it's not merely finding a woman who'll marry you... Did i mention this is a numbers game?
Thanks Daveman you're right but to apply to a thousand women I would have to include Russian women and pretty much anywhere in Russia. I tend to have a good idea in my mind what would work for me in terms of the type of girl I want. While in theory a guy could get on well with a girl he didn't think he would I do t think that would tend to work for me so much I'm more of a specific type of girl that I need. So a fair amount of girls I rule out but for me I think it at least narrows down the field a bit to something in the all park.
I get what you're saying though that for a relationship to work long term past marriage etc the guy needs a girl who has attraction to him so she is willing to play well with him. Online the first port if call for this is the photos I think, if a girl likes the photos then that can make a lot of stuff easier. I've got a couple of good non-pro photos of me in some decent smart casual gear. I found the average photos not worth using as they tend to detract hence why just two decent photos at present. I've decided though that I'll go get some pro photos done as I think I can increase attraction by doing so, hopefully. If I can do that then that may help in a game where I'm going for smaller numbers but targeting more precisely at what I want I'm thinking.
So increasing my appeal online I think will help. I've been losing weight so losing a bit of a gut, not that it was real big or anything. A bit more of that to do and then concentrate on building muscle, so that may help also. So done stuff to do to up my game so hopefully that will come through for me :)
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So increasing my appeal online I think will help. I've been losing weight so losing a bit of a gut, not that it was real big or anything. A bit more of that to do and then concentrate on building muscle, so that may help also. So done stuff to do to up my game so hopefully that will come through for me :)
Trench,
Admit it, you are too lazy and unmotivated to make this work out.
Your 6 minutes of working out twice a month isn't going to make you
ripped. Studying Russian and learning two words a month isn't going
to help your fluency.
Eliminating the largest source of FSUW because you are too cheap/broke
to pay for a VISA is going to sink your chances.
This is a numbers game. You need the numbers to have a chance. You need
to ONLY pursue women in their late 30's early 40's because those are the ones
that have to settle and they know they have to settle OR spend the rest of their
lives alone. You are too old, too broke, too cheap, too quirky, too plain and,
too flabby for a younger woman.
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Newbies and lurkers listen up pull out your spiral notebooks and take notes.
THIS... IS... A... NUMBERS... GAME
Did i mention this is a numbers game?
Question for NEWBIES what is the purpose of this endeavor?
Answer: Is to find, attract, pursue and marry a very high quality
mate and to live happily ever after.
This requires an enormous effort, time, money, emotions, and a bit
of luck is always nice.
What can you do to increase your chances?
1. Make yourself better: hit the gym, learn some Russian, increase
your income and time off to spend at this.
2. Don't push the age envelop. Take your age subtract 10 years and
that's the youngest woman that you contact.
You can compromise on anything EXCEPT for character. Do not pursue
ANY woman who doesn't like you at least as much as you like her.
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Trench,
Admit it, you are too lazy and unmotivated to make this work out.
Your 6 minutes of working out twice a month isn't going to make you
ripped. Studying Russian and learning two words a month isn't going
to help your fluency.
Eliminating the largest source of FSUW because you are too cheap/broke
to pay for a VISA is going to sink your chances.
This is a numbers game. You need the numbers to have a chance. You need
to ONLY pursue women in their late 30's early 40's because those are the ones
that have to settle and they know they have to settle OR spend the rest of their
lives alone. You are too old, too broke, too cheap, too quirky, too plain and,
too flabby for a younger woman.
Flabby!
Now you've gone a bit far there Beel. I'm guessing you're still upset over my NBA comment. You know getting into the NBA the odds are probably still better than any State Lottery ;D
Well I'm no longer flabby not that I had much before but my Smart Scales are telling me I'm a healthy weight now, before I was was just over. Still a little bit more to lose to hopefully expose that washboard stomach of mine but I think I'll get there :)
The rest unfortunately for me spot on lol.
Yeah thinking back to the competition I saw on Tinder in the UK most of those guys were well worked out in the gym. They looked like they spent their life in the gym. Whether they had money wouldn't really know as they were generally in gym gear, some have money so have the time to work out, some are on benefit, and some do work in various fields, Door work is a usual one, sport, Rugby, etc another, Modelling work possibly.
So yeah I would unfortunately be coming quite down the field on that one. I'm close to finishing the work on the house but until done I'm still limited on time on which to work on working out and the gym. The best I can do for the moment is get some pro photo shoots done in some decent gear and go with that.
For FSW young hotties it will likely be wealth they are most after and possibly the whole package. I can imagine those with the whole package coming in well or as close as to that . Part of my problem also is that my strategy relies on me being out there and atm I can't get out there in terms of semi-permanent as haven't got my hands free here yet. The last few weeks haven't been bad as they've shown me where I can raise my game for when I do but at the moment I'm playing the game in with many foreign guys. That was never supposed to be the in the game plan but came about through wanting to get out there but being delayed. Among local guys out there I would come off well but in with the rest of the foreign guys applying from outside in the west I am back stuck with the usual situation, more and fiercer competition and of course the usual Keyboard Romeo's.
For the moment I can do nothing but pound out the steady beat I have been. Once my place is done then I can accelerate on the Russian learning and the workouts. I will also crucially be able to get over there. Though of course at the moment Moldova is the only country I can do as Ukraine isn't really open and potentially dangerous, Belarus is a bit awkwardly aligned to Moscow, flights, etc. Possibly there is Georgia but religion although possibly some Russian women going there. So with Ukraine still a bit out of the picture it really limits it down a lot.
A lot of the pretty young girls out there I think go for foreign guys as they are so cheesed off that the local guys just can't cut it wealth wise for the princess type of looks they hold. Once they see what they can get abroad some are willing to sacrifice seeing family physically often for a wealthy lifestyle abroad. Problem is with those girls that once in the guys hone country unless he does seriously come above and beyond most guys in different ways in his country then he is liable to be ditched while the girl goes off and upgrades. Odds are the reason he was looking abroad in the first place was because he lost out to the guts at home.
So yeah for sure a girl in her thirties would be a way easier number. The age thing I've not got a problem with but I still need to find the right type of girl to suit me. All will just have to see as it depends on what progress I can make and where. I think though for the moment I will avoid the girls in their twenties as they are well out of the ball park for me at this moment in time but will have to see how it goes.
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A lot of the pretty young girls out there I think go for foreign guys as they are so cheesed off that the local guys just can't cut it wealth wise for the princess type of looks they hold.
You have a poor understanding. You obviously make a bunch of assumptions.
You can learn a lot just by talking to FSUW and asking them questions. They
will tell you things totally different from your assumptions.
They will tell you that the best men get grabbed up and after the years go by
the men who are left are mostly players* or not ideally suited for marriage.
Trench, just chat with the girls you knucklehead. Ask them why they don't find
a guy locally and they will tell you their opinions. All you have to do is quit being
a know-it-all-in-advance and listen to them.
*Players: This is why I advise men to avoid the PUA theories. The average single
FSU man over a certain age is a PUA expert AND fluent in Russian, you stand no
chance against them using the same strategies and tactics.
You need to differentiate yourself from the local PUA's. It's not your money, it's
that you are probably not going to be hopping from bed to bed as much as the
local men will.
Marriage and a Family is an option with you. Once a girl hits thirty something
the possibilities for marriage and a family become less and less each year.
That's what she wants. Love & companionship and reliability. Your miniscule
paycheck/income is a slight bonus but not even close to her top priority.
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alas, poor incels
let’s face it the problem you little turtles have, is based on a series of unfortunate circumstances that began more or less when you were born and have grown even worse over time…
so now you’re all lying on your backs struggling to become upright
while the seagulls are circling overhead
nature is cruel
it has been and will continue to be cruel to you guys
cuz, nature is an uncaring bitch, just like the rest of ‘em
you guys who are judged as lesser men
already know that only the winners get the glory
and never the losers
they get the seagulls and the seagulls get them
nature has architected your own extinction
in order that the race be improved by better fathers
and not diminished by losers
a derivative of this then could be made to turtles
to get all the turtle pooty-tang
“don’t be a loser”
that’s the only commandment
which you will always break
so the fault ALWAYS lives inside you
and because of that, you can't escape it
it is your destiny
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They will tell you that the best men get grabbed up and after the years go by
the men who are left are mostly players* or not ideally suited for marriage.
Yeah that is essentially pretty much the same as I was saying. Who do you think grabs up the best men? The pretty girls out there will all be clamouring for them using their looks. Not all will get one as there are not a lot of wealthy guys out there (what they see as the best men) especially out in the provincial cities. The 'best men' may be being players as well seeing as they get so much interest from hot women.
I have indeed asked a FSW this and she said that there are no decent guys left around where she is, they are all alcoholics, drug users, mental problems, unemployed - i.e losers. She was a pretty girl but I guess was beaten to the punch by another girl getting in with the few men that might be decent wealth wise where she was.
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alas, poor incels
let’s face it the problem you little turtles have, is based on a series of unfortunate circumstances that began more or less when you were born and have grown even worse over time…
so now you’re all lying on your backs struggling to become upright
while the seagulls are circling overhead
nature is cruel
it has been and will continue to be cruel to you guys
cuz, nature is an uncaring bitch, just like the rest of ‘em
you guys who are judged as lesser men
already know that only the winners get the glory
and never the losers
they get the seagulls and the seagulls get them
nature has architected your own extinction
in order that the race be improved by better fathers
and not diminished by losers
a derivative of this then could be made to turtles
to get all the turtle pooty-tang
“don’t be a loser”
that’s the only commandment
which you will always break
so the fault ALWAYS lives inside you
and because of that, you can't escape it
it is your destiny
Another option is to 'date down', that has never interested me as I couldn't stomach getting into bed with a fattie. The thought of all that flab sloshing around in bed with me just turns my stomach. Then of course, there are ugly girls, socially inept girls, etc. I figure why have any kids with any of them it's just going to pass on her bad genes onto the kid and the kid suffer badly in life from it all. That I wouldn't want to see done to anyone. If I was ugly or too much if a non- starter such as negatives and no possible positives would call it a day. As it is I think I'm reasonable enough to get with at least a decent girl or better and give a child a decent chance in life.
I see what your saying that a lot of guys aren't aware of them selves not hitting the mark and need to improve to win. I don't mind improving when are where I can but some guys even if they are made aware and could improve don't and take offense. That means that long term their odds of success are pretty poor to none and it ain't going to be happening. Some guys are fortunate in life like you suggest that they have good genes and so at best don't need to lift a finger but have it all come to them. Those guys & girls are fortunate indeed.
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Another option is to 'date down', that has never interested me as I couldn't stomach getting into bed with a fattie. The thought of all that flab sloshing around in bed with me just turns my stomach. Then of course, there are ugly girls, socially inept girls, etc. I figure why have any kids with any of them it's just going to pass on her bad genes onto the kid and the kid suffer badly in life from it all. That I wouldn't want to see done to anyone. If I was ugly or too much if a non- starter such as negatives and no possible positives would call it a day. As it is I think I'm reasonable enough to get with at least a decent girl or better and give a child a decent chance in life.
I see what your saying that a lot of guys aren't aware of them selves not hitting the mark and need to improve to win. I don't mind improving when are where I can but some guys even if they are made aware and could improve don't and take offense. That means that long term their odds of success are pretty poor to none and it ain't going to be happening. Some guys are fortunate in life like you suggest that they have good genes and so at best don't need to lift a finger but have it all come to them. Those guys & girls are fortunate indeed.
Could it be that the ladies can’t stomach the thought of jumping into bed with a bloke who hates women unless they wear short skirts and show some skin, who is basically a loser barely able to provide for himself and don’t want their genes to mix with yours?
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alas, poor incels
“don’t be a loser”
that’s the only commandment
which you will always break
so the fault ALWAYS lives inside you
and because of that, you can't escape it
it is your destiny
The solution is to hit the gym 6 days per week for 2-3 hours per day. Go get
your teeth fixed/whitened, then hit the books and learn Russian well enough
to carry on a conversation.
Then even the nerd types with a decent Western Job can get an attractive
FSUwoman to run her fingers over your wash board abs while practicing
her sword swallowing circus skills. Make sure you have washed yourself
painstakingly clean, get a manicure/pedicure and stay away from heavy
garlic/onion foods.
Those who can't speak to women without puking on their shoes should join
toast masters and get some speaking experience. Volunteer to dial for dollars
with a local charity. Once you've been told to have sex with yourself a couple
hundred times, fear of rejection sort of goes away.
Incel fix heal thyself!
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Yeah that is essentially pretty much the same as I was saying.
That's not what you were saying.
You were saying that they looked at the low income FSUW as
unacceptable/undesirable while you had a swinging dick salary
compared to them. BUT if somebody comes along with a slightly
higher salary, then they would upgrade and kick you to the curb.
I am telling you that FSU women want love and companionship
and reliability more than your McDonalds fry cook pay check.
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Another option is to 'date down', that has never interested me
Take your age and subtract 5 years instead of 10. Nobody goes to the
FSU to date unfit women.
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I am telling you that FSU women want love and companionship and reliability more than your McDonalds fry cook pay check.
I'm kind of coming around to seeing that over time I think, more of recent perhaps. So it's a pretty good point you make there Bill. In the past it's not been easy for me understanding FSU dating culture but more recently I think I am piecing the jigsaw together and getting a clearer idea that once you know the lay of the land it's not necessarily as bad as first viewed.
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Take your age and subtract 5 years instead of 10. Nobody goes to the
FSU to date unfit women.
Generally true but there are the more hotter and less hotter :D
Age I'm not going to hold myself to an arbitrary age maximum. I know the older girls closer my age are going to be the easier ones. I've recently had a 35 yr old who seemed pretty keen, ok looking but I decided wasn't my type. I'm definite she would have gone for a meet up a and been serious but I decided I've got to be true to myself and go with someone that feels more comfortably my type. I'm going to keep upping my game and see if I can get there.
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The solution is to hit the gym 6 days per week for 2-3 hours per day. Go get
your teeth fixed/whitened, then hit the books and learn Russian well enough
to carry on a conversation.
That is the ideal. For me it's finding enough time to bring to bear on all of that to have enough impact. Soon my house will be complete so my small efforts on such will turn into a larger effort, that will hopefully bring me to where I want to be on that :)
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Thing is at the moment I've had a few Ukrainian girls up who have put themselves down as in Ukraine but upon messaging them I'm finding they are in Europe as refugees.
One I have up at the moment is currently in the south of France. She's 37 and from her photos seems quite pretty looking. South of France (she's told me the city) is a fairly cheap and quick flight for me but the hotels are slightly more expensive, not hugely but a little bit more. I've roughly added it up and it's going to cost somewhere towards/around £600 for a three whole days (4 nights) out there with flights to and from roughly on either side of the three days.
The £600 rough calculation is pretty much all in with taxis to & from airport, airport parking, restaurants and visit the odd thing here & there. The whole idea is of course a bit of target to my original intention. She's the type of girl who wants to just get to it in terms of a meeting. The trump card with such a girl is of course to go meet her. But beyond showing her I am a man of action, plan B's are limited possibly non-existent as not in Eastern Europe. Plus it's time out of my schedule that I could do with spending on my house conversion plus the cost at the moment to chance it on one girl isn't ideal.
My guess is if I don't pony up and go she won't be impressed but it's kind of looking difficult and if there is nothing there it becomes just a bit of a holiday. Now I know what you're thinking, 'get her on video chat' I could but that's another issue, she doesn't speak any English. In fact she is trying to learn French but is finding it hard going. So she only really speaks Russian. I off course am real basic on that front, not yet up to scratch but in a physical meet could use translation app. I know that some video chats have a type in translator built in but that kind of defeats the purpose of video chat I feel since we're already doing that just without seeing each others faces move around a bit. At the moment I think I'm going to have to just ask to keep it to messaging for the moment as although it will probably screw it up I would be potentially setting back my plan of finishing the house and devoting money towards that and keeping my debt level down a bit.
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You probably know more schoolboy French than you do Russian. She must know some English from school. A mix of the three languages could be fun.
I lived in France for 15 years - Paris region but i visited a lot of cities around the Hexagon.
You can get to an airport with National Express and save on parking.
Which part of France is she in? - Hopefully away from the Nice/Monanco part.
Just go there and treat it as a holiday and get your boots on the ground meeting a FSU woman again.
The house aint gonna be ready any day soon so another week or two won't kill you.
Seize the day
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You probably know more schoolboy French than you do Russian. She must know some English from school. A mix of the three languages could be fun.
I lived in France for 15 years - Paris region but i visited a lot of cities around the Hexagon.
You can get to an airport with National Express and save on parking.
Which part of France is she in? - Hopefully away from the Nice/Monanco part.
Just go there and treat it as a holiday and get your boots on the ground meeting a FSU woman again.
The house aint gonna be ready any day soon so another week or two won't kill you.
Seize the day
Thanks Steven, my guess would be that any English she learnt at school she didn't learn well and now might be next to nothing. Possibly she had the option to learn French instead of English or something I think I vaguely recall seeing that they might do that but most learn English.
I think her language learning ability is likely much like mine, she seems to go d it difficult though days it depends on the day. I think you're right mixing the three languages could be fun, lol. Can go either way with FSW I think they possibly might not find it so. I still recall some basic French phrases but my guess is we might end up showing messages to each other on the translator. That can get tiresome for some FSW. Possibly I could suggest the same for video chat but my reading of her us that she will probably be less than thrilled with the situation assuming she even has broadband available.
She's not in the most expensive areas of South of France, not Nice or Monaco.
So unfortunately on the fence at the moment. Yeah part of me wants to get out there and get my feet back on the ground, so turning away from that sucks. The other part of me is telling me that it's staking time and money that I kind of need on chancing it that it will work out with one woman. Plus without my place looking a bit better it's not something I would want to show anyone at the moment.
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Why not just go for a day less? Dont be the guy mulling opver this a couple of years later thinking i should have gone. If she is the girl she will wait for you to do up your place. Its not a case of A to B - maybe its time to detour to C?
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If you just want to keep chatting she will drift away eventually. If you just want to chat online fair enough. Other girls will chat with you after her. Chances like this don't come everyday. Move your arse sonny Jim.
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Why not just go for a day less? Dont be the guy mulling opver this a couple of years later thinking i should have gone. If she is the girl she will wait for you to do up your place. Its not a case of A to B - maybe its time to detour to C?
Well done :) Think you've hit it on the mark there Steven! That is what I will do! You've come up with a good solution. It's really the hotels that are the expensive part. So if I cut down on the days I am there I will cut the bill a lot. I will also not spend as much while around. The flight I can get for around £60 return so that's not too much expense. Though it seems a nice area there I don't really need to be there for more than a day. If there's nothing there then the other days won't be needed that much. I'll go with that, many thanks Steven :)
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If you just want to keep chatting she will drift away eventually. If you just want to chat online fair enough. Other girls will chat with you after her. Chances like this don't come everyday. Move your arse sonny Jim.
Yeah this one I think things will go south pretty quick most likely and to be fair it will be a question of when if not now, it can kind of go on and on. I pretty much read that she is definitely not the online chat sort of girl. However I kind of can't get away from the feeling that she might be the right girl, possibly and would kind of like to put it to bed one way or another. So just kind of want to find out one way or the other.
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Well done :) Think you've hit it on the mark there Steven! That is what I will do! You've come up with a good solution. It's really the hotels that are the expensive part. So if I cut down on the days I am there I will cut the bill a lot. I will also not spend as much while around. The flight I can get for around £60 return so that's not too much expense. Though it seems a nice area there I don't really need to be there for more than a day. If there's nothing there then the other days won't be needed that much. I'll go with that, many thanks Steven :)
What is the nearest city to where she is? I never got to visit Montpellier (great city) nor Perpignan (beach not much else) but I know France pretty well.
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That is the ideal. For me it's ..............
You have nothing but time, but you are dithering your opportunities
and wasting your life through inaction.
An excuse a day will keep the lady's away.
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It’s been said many a time before.....
If you can’t afford to fork out a few hundred quid on a weekend away you cannot afford this venture.
International dating/relationships are not for the cheapskates or low paid.
We know you think it can be done on the cheap but remind us how long you’ve been on here with not a sniff of success in sight.
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It’s been said many a time before.....
If you can’t afford to fork out a few hundred quid on a weekend away you cannot afford this venture.
International dating/relationships are not for the cheapskates or low paid.
We know you think it can be done on the cheap but remind us how long you’ve been on here with not a sniff of success in sight.
Usually it wouldn't be an issue but it's really the timing at the moment. I've got to weigh up spend out now with getting out in the field a bit quicker on a more longer term basis once the house is done.
A more longer term situation means I can spread the cost a bit more so is more economical overall. However, with this lady I can pretty much read into her not being the waiting type and I think she could be a possibility. Plus it's been about three years since last abroad because of the virus so itching to get back out there if only for a day.
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What is the nearest city to where she is? I never got to visit Montpellier (great city) nor Perpignan (beach not much else) but I know France pretty well.
I'll give more info on the city after the journey as don't like to go too much into details beforehand.
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You have nothing but time, but you are dithering your opportunities
and wasting your life through inaction.
An excuse a day will keep the lady's away.
That's somewhat true, stuff can be put back and time made so I am possibly getting over concerned by the time issues. Thing is with building work it can get a little harder in the winter when the light gets shorter and the days a little colder. So getting stuff done before that sets in around November time in the UK tends to be best.
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Well turns out that she learnt English in School but there was no practice element to it. In addition to that she has forgotten most/nearly all of it. I think I heard that they don't learn it like we do/not good resources, a few old books to share around and more of a text based approach so sounds out.
I said like Steven said but anything we can't cobble together we can use the translate app. For me it might be handy to try out some Russian in practice with a native of I recall anything worthwhile.
Think the main thing is to see if there is any chemistry and just get back in the scene a bit.
I told her I could come in November, I've got stuff on in October so while a quick impromptu visit can impress it's just too much of a pain for me. November is good for me as the weather tends to start getting colder here so I can get out there to warmer weather as a bonus so if there's nothing there at least I get a warm day's holiday away :)
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Well turns out that she learnt English in School but there was no practice element to it. In addition to that she has forgotten most/nearly all of it. I think I heard that they don't learn it like we do/not good resources, a few old books to share around and more of a text based approach so sounds out.
I said like Steven said but anything we can't cobble together we can use the translate app. For me it might be handy to try out some Russian in practice with a native of I recall anything worthwhile.
Think the main thing is to see if there is any chemistry and just get back in the scene a bit.
I told her I could come in November, I've got stuff on in October so while a quick impromptu visit can impress it's just too much of a pain for me. November is good for me as the weather tends to start getting colder here so I can get out there to warmer weather as a bonus so if there's nothing there at least I get a warm day's holiday away :)
Why don't you just start another thread about visiting France. You know this another thread of you planning to visit a country/city that never happened, so close this Chisinau thread.
Seems with your cheapskate budget, you continue to find reasons to not visit anywhere. You are all talk and no action. Your talk now of visiting southern France for a day to not pay lodging is hilarious!! I fully expect for you to end up with a thread of visiting England, that way you can fit in a trip to match your budget!!! Carry on Trench!!!
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I was assuming he would be cutting back from three nights to two. Didn't think he would be so extreme cutting the budget.
Next UK Finance minister... ;)
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I will be in Chisinau in 4 days, give me the phone number of this chick and I will check her out, and maybe more :P .Veterans here know I am not joking.
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Yes Pat, check to see if her bedside (yes bedside) manner makes her worthy of further pursuit by others.
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Yes Pat, check to see if her bedside (yes bedside) manner makes her worthy of further pursuit by others.
:luv:
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I fully expect for you to end up with a thread of visiting England, that way you can fit in a trip to match your budget!!! Carry on Trench!!!
From Preston England
http://fdating.com/profile?id=4921257;
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Hey Pat, that's not the sort of teacher/student romance I normally think of. ;)
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From Preston England
http://fdating.com/profile?id=4921257;
When I saw the link I feared you were going to show me some fattie lol :ROFL:
Looks wise she's ok. I know she is very near my age but already has a kid and personally I would like kids of my own rather than bringing up another guy's kid. At her age it's questionable if she would be able to have some more especially by the time I get to know her.
Possibly Steven might be interested, she somewhere up his way I think. Her already being in the country with the kid saves import duties on both of them so it might be a goer for him.
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I was assuming he would be cutting back from three nights to two. Didn't think he would be so extreme cutting the budget.
Next UK Finance minister... ;)
Lol that's a good one Steven :D
The idea of not booking any nights in a hotel is a good one as the flight is the cheapest part. However, that would rule out getting my leg over if it came up, if I so wanted. So odds are I will probably book two nights instead of four. Hotels can be good as a base and for sure internet broadband access plus I'll probably see more of the city with a bit of extra time there.
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Ok, so the chick seems happy to wait it out till a visit in November so that's all good with me.
The main thing I keep turning over in my mind at the moment is the deal. Basically I want to have kids (my own not someone else's) however I don't really know which of these women really want kids for real or just say they do but really are just interested in marrying a guy for a pension plan and possibly an easy life. I don't really want a woman who is just going to kick back and live of my backside and probably and most cook and possibly give me some sex. I really want to have kids with a woman and a real family not some chick just freeloading.
However, most FSW as I understand it won't agree to having children before marriage. That is a pain for me as I don't really have years to waste in a marriage hoping the woman will put out like if I were in my twenties. The real pain can come of course if we at least get on well but her interest in having kids just doesn't seem to be there then it gets more awkward. Even with a divorce within the five year period in the UK by which a man can 'apparently' keep his assets it's more time and money gone, getting her in the country, wedding cost, etc. Odds are even within the five years I might have to give some money towards costs for support possibly. I don't really trust the system not to do me over as like in much of the US and elsewhere in the west the man nuts are forever on the chopping block it seems.
The ideal for me would be for the woman to have kids first and marriage second. I know some guy came on here a couple of years or so ago saying that he managed it with his other half, both into films/video games apparently. I think though she was his fiancée as he had proposed before this I think. I think that I guess would be my only way through it, to propose to a FSW (if I found one) and put off the wedding and had unprotected sex with her in the meanwhile, of course getting her checked out for STD's in advance of that for my safety. He seemed to managed it not sure by chance or by genius, seemed to make your by chance but who knows. Anyway just wondered what forum members thoughts were on whether such would likely be a goer?
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If you say even 10% of that during a date in France elle va te donner un coup de pied vers le trottoir
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Ok, so the chick seems happy to wait it out till a visit in November so that's all good with me.
The main thing I keep turning over in my mind at the moment is the deal. Basically I want to have kids (my own not someone else's) however I don't really know which of these women really want kids for real or just say they do but really are just interested in marrying a guy for a pension plan and possibly an easy life. I don't really want a woman who is just going to kick back and live of my backside and probably and most cook and possibly give me some sex. I really want to have kids with a woman and a real family not some chick just freeloading.
However, most FSW as I understand it won't agree to having children before marriage. That is a pain for me as I don't really have years to waste in a marriage hoping the woman will put out like if I were in my twenties. The real pain can come of course if we at least get on well but her interest in having kids just doesn't seem to be there then it gets more awkward. Even with a divorce within the five year period in the UK by which a man can 'apparently' keep his assets it's more time and money gone, getting her in the country, wedding cost, etc. Odds are even within the five years I might have to give some money towards costs for support possibly. I don't really trust the system not to do me over as like in much of the US and elsewhere in the west the man nuts are forever on the chopping block it seems.
The ideal for me would be for the woman to have kids first and marriage second. I know some guy came on here a couple of years or so ago saying that he managed it with his other half, both into films/video games apparently. I think though she was his fiancée as he had proposed before this I think. I think that I guess would be my only way through it, to propose to a FSW (if I found one) and put off the wedding and had unprotected sex with her in the meanwhile, of course getting her checked out for STD's in advance of that for my safety. He seemed to managed it not sure by chance or by genius, seemed to make your by chance but who knows. Anyway just wondered what forum members thoughts were on whether such would likely be a goer?
Trench, you are doomed. I am convinced that you will drive any real FSUW
away with your kook/weirdo theories and your inability to think.
I don't have time for socially retarded loser/weirdo's.
I have wasted too much time on you and your crapola already.
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Trench, you are doomed. I am convinced that you will drive any real FSUW
away with your kook/weirdo theories and your inability to think.
I don't have time for socially retarded loser/weirdo's.
I have wasted too much time on you and your crapola already.
That's a bit harsh Bill, of course I wouldn't say all of this to the girl just thinking out aloud on here really. I've decided that I will go the fiancée route and get her into the family way then. If she doesn't follow then it doesn't look a goer and would be best for me to move on. I don't have the time or money to go the whole wedding route if she's not on board with it all.
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A woman with a child increases the minimum income requirement of a UK resident from £18600 to £22000. Due to Brexit you are no longer allowed to live in France longer than 90 days in 180. Your move.
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That's a bit harsh Bill, of course I wouldn't say all of this to the girl just thinking out aloud on here really. I've decided that I will go the fiancée route and get her into the family way then. If she doesn't follow then it doesn't look a goer and would be best for me to move on. I don't have the time or money to go the whole wedding route if she's not on board with it all.
I have to be harsh on my self. Why the Fook am I not spending this time on
something that benefits me and my family.
Angel Eyes is still in Russia, due back on the 22nd. I could write her a mushy
letter (she loves mushy letters). I could organize my desk and make a todo
list for tomorrow. I could go on Babblefish Russian and learn a new phrase.
I don't have time to waste on your weirdo theories. I have wasted hours of
my time explaining simple crap to you that anyone who is a remotely sociable
member of society should know.
I like to help people, but I am done with you. I can't justify the time that I
have spent. You are not one inch closer to success because I reply to your
posts.
I am done. I will make more money because of it.
Udachi!
Bill
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A woman with a child increases the minimum income requirement of a UK resident from £18600 to £22000. Due to Brexit you are no longer allowed to live in France longer than 90 days in 180. Your move.
Easy, I just sponsor her in as a refugee ;D
Then all the rest, nice and cheap for me.
I think though she said she wants to return to Ukraine at some point, not this Winter as of course it's likely to be very harsh there this winter, bad economy, cold weather with likely little heating, possibly power cuts, Russia targeting energy facilities and who knows what happened with the war.
At the moment I'm not too bothered with getting too in deep thinking about future with this woman since haven't met as yet.
The virus adds another component of difficulty along with the war. Original idea was to partially live out there in the FSU and fly in & out to visit back home. I'm still interested in going to Chișinău which at least is not in war but still have a thing for Ukrainian women. Anyhow, with the virus kicking up every few weeks it seems that kind of doesn't ease matters. So at the moment I'm just going to see what the woman is like in France then will later go to Chișinău if no joy there hopefully this year.
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And they say romance is dead...
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TC,
You really need to get a grip.
If you plan to marry a woman,and have a family.
You certainlt discuss children , and if you can not trust her answer over such a topic(whatever fear you have of her using you )
,then you do not have the founations of a real relationship worthy marraige.
So this entire mental gymnastic is moot .
It is completely pointless.
You manage in so many situations to firmly place the cart in front if the horse.
If you cant manage to trust a woman ,dont marry her !!!
And by a 1000 times, if you cant trust.a woman, dont have a child with her before marraige.!!
Of all the crazy ideas you have thought out loud here that one takes the cake.
I have told you prior that one of your positives, in this endeavor,is that you do actually seem.to want children.
That is something a ukrainian woman would indeed find attractive in you.
And now youve found some twisted metsl.way to ruin one of the few items i thought you had to pivot off of and work with.
🤣🤷♂️
Come in man!
We can only generalize here,so yes individuals vary
And yes youd need to know understand, and tryst the person you marry or have chilfren with.
But, a single woman of childbearing age with no children,seeking marriage, and you actually have concerns that demographic wont generally want to have children in thier marriage,?
The earth is populated right? By what drive?
You mother dropped you on your head dint she? fess up
Stop attempting to.sabatoge the one trait you have going for you with women.
You can find an odd duck in that demographic that doesnt want children , but it would be infinately more dfficult to do.
Most,by far, do.
If you truly view children as a blessing, it is an attractive trait to them ,(even to.most of the ones who dont want children).
I know they seem an alien species to you,hell bent on taking all the money you dont seem to have (i'm not knocking that,i dont have any either)
But you are going to have to trust me on this one.
They are,generally, just like you.
Yeap,just as insecure, and capable of mental gymnastics that make zero sense.
See? ,they arnt nearly as scary as you think!!
i'm.not scared of anything,my wifes ukrainian.
🤣
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TC,
You really need to get a grip.
If you plan to marry a woman,and have a family.
You certainlt discuss children , and if you can not trust her answer over such a topic(whatever fear you have of her using you )
,then you do not have the founations of a real relationship worthy marraige.
So this entire mental gymnastic is moot .
It is completely pointless.
You manage in so many situations to firmly place the cart in front if the horse.
If you cant manage to trust a woman ,dont marry her !!!
And by a 1000 times, if you cant trust.a woman, dont have a child with her before marraige.!!
Of all the crazy ideas you have thought out loud here that one takes the cake.
I have told you prior that one of your positives, in this endeavor,is that you do actually seem.to want children.
That is something a ukrainian woman would indeed find attractive in you.
And now youve found some twisted metsl.way to ruin one of the few items i thought you had to pivot off of and work with.
🤣🤷♂️
Come in man!
We can only generalize here,so yes individuals vary
And yes youd need to know understand, and tryst the person you marry or have chilfren with.
But, a single woman of childbearing age with no children,seeking marriage, and you actually have concerns that demographic wont generally want to have children in thier marriage,?
The earth is populated right? By what drive?
You mother dropped you on your head dint she? fess up
Stop attempting to.sabatoge the one trait you have going for you with women.
You can find an odd duck in that demographic that doesnt want children , but it would be infinately more dfficult to do.
Most,by far, do.
If you truly view children as a blessing, it is an attractive trait to them ,(even to.most of the ones who dont want children).
I know they seem an alien species to you,hell bent on taking all the money you dont seem to have (i'm not knocking that,i dont have any either)
But you are going to have to trust me on this one.
They are,generally, just like you.
Yeap,just as insecure, and capable of mental gymnastics that make zero sense.
See? ,they arnt nearly as scary as you think!!
i'm.not scared of anything,my wifes ukrainian.
🤣
Thanks Jumper, I very much appreciate your input. Yeah I see what you mean I probably am stressing too much about the situation and like you say putting the cart in front of the horse. I think I spend way too long in western society and as such can't help but my thoughts be influenced with the way things are here. I'm not saying all women in the west are doing game play but the legal system here sucks if you're a guy. Often a woman can take a lot of a guys wealth and property prices here are sky high and most people's wages on the low side. So sure fear and reality both set in and I've got to consider stuff as there is the very real possibility of ending up in a bad place if things get screwed up.
I kind of heard that FSW are socialised to have children but a lot of correspondence I get they are not that forward with it though I'm guessing it takes getting with them more in that one. They just don't talk about it much at all with me which makes me wonder. Again I can't help but being a creature of my habitat and in the western world that rings alarm bells that she isn't into having kids but in the FSU it's probably a different reason as things tend to go. You're probably more in tune with it being married to a UW and possibly a slightly older generation so more in tune with that sort of society. These days I fear for those younger than me who have been brought up in the west with all sorts of strange connotations and terminology. It must really screw with their head and f up society. I guess Incels & gender queer odd stuff tends to show that. I think they would struggle more than me to understand FSU society and vice versa. Anyhow, yeah I'll take your advice in board and try to move to a position where we trust each other in any relationship.
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TC,
I think a eastern european might be less vocal about children , mostly because it is an *of course* assumed thing.
Its natural progression, of relationship to marriage to family.
The outlyiers whonwpuld nit want epukd likely tell you right away asvfar asxwhen things were getting serioys, and babushka would likely be very unhappy with them.about such...lol
I will tell you plainly, my wife and i discussed it,but not in depth initially.
It was jist assumed by her that if things lead to marraige they lead to children.
I dont think she wpuld have dated a man seriously if she felt he diid noit want children at some point in theier lives together.
Since i have a son adore him, ,and have full custody (his mother passed when he was 8 months old) she did not hsve to adk my posotion in children,other than a simple one if would i possibly wsnt more someday within a marraige.
I would have 9 if i could afford them :) so this was an easy issue for either to worry about
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In dating a ukrainian woman in the sge range you prefer , a man actually wanting to be a fsther and an active in taking care of , guiding and raising a child, an active participsnt in parenting, is considered quite attractive.
So as ive told you many times, use your strenghts!
Dont undermine yourself of one of the fundamental.things you have.thats attractive to.the fairer sex.
But do.be on the same page snd open sbout your ideals of of parenting styles,expectations of each others roles in dicipline,care,nuturing,etc.
None of it will.matter when you actually have kids as all.those foolish notions go out the window ;D.
,but you both want to be at least in the same ball park regarding how you envision *how to *raise * your children
But first ,i think.you have to have a date.. :cluebat:
So.i think concentrating on making that happen often, likely weekly, should be the priority instead of mental gymnastics.
Date whomever says yes, its just a date. Nothing more.
Its worthy your time.
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Yep. You are entirely over thinking everything. This is about attraction and emotion - especially for the lady. The bottom line is that she really cares only about what she FEELS about you. Yeah, she doesn't want to live in a mud hut,but it's all about the feels. You'll kill her feels instantly if you proceed the way you're "thinking out loud" with any woman.
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Thanks Jumper & Daveman, you're advice is real good :) Yeah I think I tend to overthink things particularly with time out of the game because of the virus, etc. I really need to just get out there and date to avoid that. I've got a date coming up in November so that should help with that. I think you're both right that it's a case of the guy & girl and the feeling they have for each other. If that's not there or the guy is too anxious to push it along with any girl then that's the bad move so important to keep meeting women until there's that attraction & feeling with the right one. I appreciate the input from both of you for helping me out on this one many thanks :)
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The problem that presents itself is this:
Trench approaches the East European hottie as though she was an ordinary lass from the valleys with avearge looks, a few years younger than him, possibly carrying a bit of timber, earning a below average salary and the maternal clock ticking. WIth their two incomes they can bring up a kid in a mortgage free house.
Unfortunately the East European hottie has bigger material desires than just settling, has a few more years to go before thinking of starting a family and wants to travel to countries beyond the confines of Ukraine and Wales.
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The problem that presents itself is this:
Trench approaches the East European hottie as though she was an ordinary lass from the valleys with avearge looks, a few years younger than him, possibly carrying a bit of timber, earning a below average salary and the maternal clock ticking. WIth their two incomes they can bring up a kid in a mortgage free house.
Unfortunately the East European hottie has bigger material desires than just settling, has a few more years to go before thinking of starting a family and wants to travel to countries beyond the confines of Ukraine and Wales.
Expectations vary. Probably it's fair to say for most the hotter they are the more they want. For a super model she'll probably want a millionaire guy and/or guy high up in something. I'm not after a super model, always looked a bit over the top for my liking. I tend to prefer pretty girls but kind of more natural down to earth looking ones. Just what their expectations are will likely be various and would be interesting to know. I know that for nearly all they will expect a rough minimum. A guy who rents a studio flat and has a low wage job probably won't do it for them. That all said its getting to know the person and getting a foot in the door to start with is useful. If I and the girl get on then that may clear a lot of issues if she was hoping for a lot more. I think so long as it's not too far divorced from her vision the reality is something many can probably come to terms with so long as their is a draw of chemistry their I think.
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I know that for nearly all they will expect a rough minimum. A guy who rents a studio flat and has a low wage job probably won't do it for them.
I spent month long 2nd and 3rd visits with 10 or more FSU gals.
Most had a very high interest in me.
But none of them really knew much at all about my finances, and never even inquired.
The most they knew was that I had 'high' education and traveled on business quite a bit.
But I could have just been a good bull-sheeeeter regarding those two items.
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I spent month long 2nd and 3rd visits with 10 or more FSU gals.
Most had a very high interest in me.
But none of them really knew much at all about my finances, and never even inquired.
The most they knew was that I had 'high' education and traveled on business quite a bit.
But I could have just been a good bull-sheeeeter regarding those two items.
Guess it's possible some FSW are happy enough for a guy that can provide well enough and you being there would probably take you at that. Some possibly wouldn't want to risk messing up by exposing their interest in a guy's wealth. Other thought is that you were dating Soviet era women so probably not as materialistic as East European girls these days.
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You say materialistic. Others say looking to imorove their life situation. If there is no upgrade why wouldn't they date locally instead?
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You say materialistic. Others say looking to imorove their life situation. If there is no upgrade why wouldn't they date locally instead?
Sure they are looking to upgrade, the question is how much by? What are their expectations on that front?
Women seeking wealthy men is the easiest way forward for them into wealth for sure. It beats having to do years & years of hard graft for it or trying to chance it lucky and be left disappointed. Women do it the world over. The FSU is a bit different to a lot of western countries as often the world man had to stay with the guy to stay in comfort, that or if she inherits if he passes first.
There can be other stuff at play for a woman seeking a man abroad of course. Sometimes it may just be companionship, if the girl's life if ok enough at home it may just be that she struggles to find someone due to working long hours, passed over by local guys or finds most local guys the dregs of society left over. However, I know Davo came on here before and believed that a large number of women on f-date were not on the level in some way, that they had disingenuous motives, think he reckoned around 90 percent. I too kind of was thinking along the same lines. I think at present sone women may be on there that are refugees and possibly not the type you usually get. I don't mean that as a negative, I think I could pick out some girls on F-date quite easily who would be pretty sound but I probably wouldn't feel into them. It can be a bit of a difficult one as society over there is different from here so it moulds their personality. For example some Ukrainian women may be thrilled at the prospect of visiting a guy in Kyiv and seeing stuff with him. Does that make her a time waster and just motivated by a week of activities away? For the FSU it's kind of up to the guy whether to agree to that and whether such might turn into anything more. Personally I would always endeavour to visit in hometown wherever possible these days. So sometimes I think it is down to how the guy plays the situation.
Another factor I think is how well the guy can come across. In the book 'Odessa Dreams' the agency girls interviewed there state if the right guy came along they would drop their shenanigans and play it straight & be ready to go with him. They I think and as BillyB has pointed out don't realise it rarely plays like that as the bad ways they have picked up as agency girls tends to screw them up for that happening. However the point is for any girl if a guy comes across so impressive to her other matters can go out the window. If conversely he arrives looking very unimpressive her attitude may not be so good towards him. So all depends on the circumstance a lot of the time I think.
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Trench,
In the post above, you used the words "I think" seven times.
That may be the root of your difficulties.
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Guess it's possible some FSW are happy enough for a guy that can provide well enough and you being there would probably take you at that. Some possibly wouldn't want to risk messing up by exposing their interest in a guy's wealth. Other thought is that you were dating Soviet era women so probably not as materialistic as East European girls these days.
All women, unless she has a brain defect, want to be swept off their feet in uncontrollable passion falling madly in love with a man they simply cannot resist no matter how hard they try...
FSUW are absolutely no different.
I would suggest looking at this through THAT lens... everything else is tributary.
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Trench,
In the post above, you used the words "I think" seven times.
That may be the root of your difficulties.
"I think" you are undeniably correct. ;D
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All women, unless she has a brain defect, want to be swept off their feet in uncontrollable passion falling madly in love with a man they simply cannot resist no matter how hard they try...
Daveman, you don't think feeling comfortable, safe and secure (physically, emotionally, and financially) with a decent man is enough?
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I would suggest looking at this through THAT lens... everything else is tributary.
Daveman, how do streams and creeks fit into this analysis ?
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I spent month long 2nd and 3rd visits with 10 or more FSU gals.
Most had a very high interest in me.
But none of them really knew much at all about my finances, and never even inquired.
The most they knew was that I had 'high' education and traveled on business quite a bit.
But I could have just been a good bull-sheeeeter regarding those two items.
Exactly this.
Aside from determining that I was a stable guy, um, at least financially, none gave much of a damn about specifics or ever asked. They were focused on my irresistible overwhelmingly manly manliness as I see it 8) 8) ... attraction, presence, character, and most importantly how they FELT about me and in my presence -- as they probably saw it. But, who the hell knows what's really in the mind of a woman? I'm convinced women don't know either..
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Daveman, you don't think feeling comfortable, safe and secure (physically, emotionally, and financially) with a decent man is enough?
You'd have to include complete respect and "looking up to" as well. Women can have some wacked out behavior when not in love.
It wouldn't enough be for ME. I'd rather just date than settle down with a woman who wasn't in love with me.
Daveman, how do streams and creeks fit into this analysis ?
Just going with the flow of things... :devil:
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Well, for me at least I'm going to tail this thread off here. Probably still going out to South of France, possibly Chisinau or whatever but I've made the decision that I kind of want to get off the forums a bit. You guys have been great and have really helped me along and recent suggestions not to be too fixated on the money stuff but instead companionship etc have helped. In fact much of the advice you guys have given me over the years have helped and I feel slowly some of it has sunk in a bit over time even if it didn't seem like it or took a while as some probably wasn't always easy for me to accept.
2tallbill sorry for frustrating the hell out of you, I accept now I have come out with advice that was a bit wacko but you too have helped me out, you're a great guy :) many others of you on here also ;)
As much as you guys have helped me on this forum I kind of can be my own worst enemy and tend to overthink stuff as some of you have rightly pointed out so I indeed thank you for that. However I feel it tends to be a trap I keep falling into as forums by their nature tend to be a place where it kind of encourages thought process and for me likely too much.
I've also got to kind of stop concerning myself with other people's problems on forums and start focusing on myself. Not meaning to sound selfish on that but I just get too involved on stuff I really shouldn't do.
So for now I want to drop the forum stuff and get out there and do more hobbies. I'll probably take up cycling again which I haven't properly done since my teens. It's a pretty virus safe activity and as they say, healthy body healthy mind, or at least I hope so. I've been wanting to improve my physique so it's really the next step. I'll probably try and get out more with my Photography stuff also as it's another good virus safe activity. But the main thing for me is to just try and keep off the forums (I mainly just do this one) as it's probably at the stage now where it likely would be counterproductive for me to keep on here like I have been.
Social media I do but fortunately not a lot off so I at least don't run foul of spending too long on that one like I hear some people do and intend to avoid but hear that can be an issue also.
Anyhow, just wanted to let you guys know as you've helped me a lot over the years and it's been fun and a laugh with you guys so didn't want to just tail off without saying much. It's something I want to try to stick to so will try not to check in here as much as I have been if much at all. Not any means a downer on that one but just really want to avoid my bad habits. So really wishing you all good fortune & happiness as you're all great guys ;) Trench.
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I started cycling again last year. I bought an ebike for work but also have a mountain bike and a Brompton. Its good for legs and saving on petrol/diesel.
Don't worry so much about COVID. I dodged it for almost 2 years. When i got it I was one of the fortunate ones who wasnt too badly affected. It has not gone away, but for now, fingers crossed, we are over the worst of it
Have a lurk now and then with the thousand or so others here
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Well, just a quick update here, will probably go to Chișinău roughly around March/April this coming year assuming the Russians don't invade. Word is they may do, possible amphibious landings on the southern Ukrainian tip & across from transnistria, possibly a Russian invasion in the north from Belarus toward Lviv possibly with the idea of connecting up the two, possibly. So long as nothing looks obviously afoot in terms of troop massing then I'll give it a punt.
Still going to try and avoid being on the forums too much but time is tied up at the moment. Still finding focusing more on myself the way to go.
The Ukrainian girl in South of France fell through, think she started to lose interest after it became apparent neither of us had command enough of a common language. I feel the best policy for me now is to just get out there, I know how to drum up some girls so that shouldn't be too much of a problem for me now. After that just a case of seeing if there is any go in it for me.
Anyway, wishing all a Happy Festive Season on here.
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Still going to try and avoid being on the forums too much but time is tied up at the moment. Still finding focusing more on myself the way to go.
The Ukrainian girl in South of France fell through, think she started to lose interest after it became apparent neither of us had command enough of a common language.
It takes 3 things to get (and keep) a girl. Time, money, and effort. If you are lacking in any one of those things, you will need more of the other things.
If the only fault you can find in a girl is the language barrier, then go for her. That just means when you bring her home, the local guys can't chat her up if she doesn't speak much English. As much as you worry about women leaving you for another guy, getting a girl that can't speak the same language as the local guys is a no-brainer.
All you have to do is take some of the time and effort you waste on here, and start learning Russian or Ukrainian on Duolingo (for free). The next thing you know, the language barrier is breaking down.
A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo. Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes. Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech? No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent? Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences? Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber? They love it. They see effort. Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.
If you want a girl to get addicted to you, repetition plus emotion. Have a positive emotional impact on them, over and over. Speaking her native tongue (especially when other guys can't) will set you apart.
If a girl has a choice, which guy do you think she will go for? Guy A that is good looking and has a lot of money, but speaks a different language? Or Guy B that is average looking, isn't a millionaire, but can talk and communicate with her, and is kind and caring?
Or do you want to be Guy C, who is average looking, broke, wastes time making almost 7500 posts on here, and never learns to speak a FSU girl's language? (and wonders why he can't find a long-term relationship with a hot FSU model?)
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It takes 3 things to get (and keep) a girl. Time, money, and effort. If you are lacking in any one of those things, you will need more of the other things.
If the only fault you can find in a girl is the language barrier, then go for her. That just means when you bring her home, the local guys can't chat her up if she doesn't speak much English. As much as you worry about women leaving you for another guy, getting a girl that can't speak the same language as the local guys is a no-brainer.
All you have to do is take some of the time and effort you waste on here, and start learning Russian or Ukrainian on Duolingo (for free). The next thing you know, the language barrier is breaking down.
A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo. Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes. Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech? No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent? Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences? Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber? They love it. They see effort. Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.
If you want a girl to get addicted to you, repetition plus emotion. Have a positive emotional impact on them, over and over. Speaking her native tongue (especially when other guys can't) will set you apart.
If a girl has a choice, which guy do you think she will go for? Guy A that is good looking and has a lot of money, but speaks a different language? Or Guy B that is average looking, isn't a millionaire, but can talk and communicate with her, and is kind and caring?
Or do you want to be Guy C, who is average looking, broke, wastes time making almost 7500 posts on here, and never learns to speak a FSU girl's language? (and wonders why he can't find a long-term relationship with a hot FSU model?)
I think getting a girl those three things but keeping a girl is avoiding stuffing up/big fallout disputes.
On the language thing I see you are thinking like me Bee Farmer lol. I dunno I used to kind of think that and maybe it holds sone weight. However I've been thinking more recently that if a girl isn't into you enough/doesn't rate you, sees other guys she would prefer to be with the language barrier likely won't stop her, she'll find a way. Other than non-verbal communication there is also translation apps these days that she'll know off & use on her phone. Added to that English is much easier for them to learn than us learning Russian. It takes around 600 hours to learn English to a decent level compared to around 1200 hours for Russian, Ukrainian probably similar. So a few words she can quickly pick up and if she's horny for another English guy & vice versa that's all that's likely needed from the offset, the language of love will do the rest.
No I feel better to hold the relationship out in her home country or as near as, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Russia, etc. The other guys have already shown they have come up short there in her mind, are busted and few of competition for us. If you invite a FSW back to a western country then she'll be awash with many different options of guys who 'are all that'. Guts who are wealthy, good looking, better socially, emotionally, etc, etc. then of course feminism. Basically the same could likely happen as if you pulled a hot chick here in the west and hoped it would last but fell a bit short of the grade and had then found a crowd of horny guys circling her, they would soon be all over her so better not to deliver a girl I to their hands for them.
You are right though with FSW being impressed with the Russian learning though BF. When I mention it, it raises interest a little but I make sure that they know it's only basic at the moment. I'll look up Dualingo, thanks for that. I've been using Pimsleur, it's ok but stopped for a bit as it gets a bit heavy and sometimes I'm not in the mood. I think I can get back to it again soon as the break has helped. Really just need time when I'm not tired or knackered to learn it in as can get a bit heavy going if not much energy. It's something I would like to get to conversational ability on understanding it both ways as really feel that can help interest from FSW a lot too, but it's a hard get.
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As I have posted before, I never attempted to learn Ukrainian or Russian language
On my business trips, the other parties had to hire translators, if necessary to conduct business with me in English.
And I nly sought out those gals who could carry on conversations in English.
English is the language of the world.
A big waste of time to attempt to learn a language other than English . . . UNLESS you are going to go live there full time.
My wife has never wanted me to learn her native languages.
She was smart enough to know that if I learned her languages, then it would slow down the process of her becoming more fluent in English.
And all this bla bla bla about learning her language to show respect for their culture and history.
You can learn all about their history and culture . . . by reading about such in English !!!
I know more about Eastern European history than the average person living there.
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communication theory
Rasputin's Strip Club in Moscva - Russia's finest!
if the stripper likes you, makes good eye contact, etc
then when she "snatches" the money (CRISP hundred dollar bills ONLY!) with her "snatcher"
she'll rub her snatcher slowly across your fingers....
you'll need some good eye-hand coordination skills fer sure!!!
so don't slam down too many of the vodkas!!
cuz in Rasputin's YOU are sometimes the performer!!!
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As I have posted before, I never attempted to learn Ukrainian or Russian language
On my business trips, the other parties had to hire translators, if necessary to conduct business with me in English.
And I nly sought out those gals who could carry on conversations in English.
English is the language of the world.
A big waste of time to attempt to learn a language other than English . . . UNLESS you are going to go live there full time.
My wife has never wanted me to learn her native languages.
She was smart enough to know that if I learned her languages, then it would slow down the process of her becoming more fluent in English.
And all this bla bla bla about learning her language to show respect for their culture and history.
You can learn all about their history and culture . . . by reading about such in English !!!
I know more about Eastern European history than the average person living there.
Surely you are not so arrogant as to think that everyone is just like you, with the same dating options you have, in the same stage of life as you, and looking for the same type of women as you searched for.
You also looked for college educated women. Do you really think a highly educated woman is going to go for Trench?
You've described your relationships as a transactional relationship, where the gal offers her youth and beauty, and you offer financial security...but that feelings can develop over time. Trench needs to find a woman who will fall head over heels for him.
Learning a girl's native language opens up a larger dating pool. Some guys need the biggest dating pool they can get. Limiting themselves to women who only speak English is shooting themselves in the foot.
I studied Spanish for 3 years in high school. A foreign language was required for graduation, and Spanish was the only language offered. I have no intention of ever living in any Spanish speaking country, or marrying a Spanish speaking girl.
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I think getting a girl those three things but keeping a girl is avoiding stuffing up/big fallout disputes.
On the language thing I see you are thinking like me Bee Farmer lol. I dunno I used to kind of think that and maybe it holds sone weight. However I've been thinking more recently that if a girl isn't into you enough/doesn't rate you, sees other guys she would prefer to be with the language barrier likely won't stop her, she'll find a way. Other than non-verbal communication there is also translation apps these days that she'll know off & use on her phone. Added to that English is much easier for them to learn than us learning Russian. It takes around 600 hours to learn English to a decent level compared to around 1200 hours for Russian, Ukrainian probably similar. So a few words she can quickly pick up and if she's horny for another English guy & vice versa that's all that's likely needed from the offset, the language of love will do the rest.
No I feel better to hold the relationship out in her home country or as near as, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Russia, etc. The other guys have already shown they have come up short there in her mind, are busted and few of competition for us. If you invite a FSW back to a western country then she'll be awash with many different options of guys who 'are all that'. Guts who are wealthy, good looking, better socially, emotionally, etc, etc. then of course feminism. Basically the same could likely happen as if you pulled a hot chick here in the west and hoped it would last but fell a bit short of the grade and had then found a crowd of horny guys circling her, they would soon be all over her so better not to deliver a girl I to their hands for them.
You are right though with FSW being impressed with the Russian learning though BF. When I mention it, it raises interest a little but I make sure that they know it's only basic at the moment. I'll look up Dualingo, thanks for that. I've been using Pimsleur, it's ok but stopped for a bit as it gets a bit heavy and sometimes I'm not in the mood. I think I can get back to it again soon as the break has helped. Really just need time when I'm not tired or knackered to learn it in as can get a bit heavy going if not much energy. It's something I would like to get to conversational ability on understanding it both ways as really feel that can help interest from FSW a lot too, but it's a hard get.
I think you need to stop thinking. Analysis paralysis.
If you want to do something, you will find a way to make it happen.
If you don't want to do something, you will find excuses for why it won't work.
You act like you don't really want to develop a relationship with a girl.
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I bought one of my son-in-laws a DJI Drone for Christmas...
you incels could get your drone pilot's license in the USA and go buy high end "Agricultural" drone parts on Alibaba.com and you can make a drone bomber with FPV with a 10 KM range and up to 35 lb payload!!
and fooking declare war on Russia and attack them YOURSELF!!!
Sweet!!!
you could easily export this harmless hobbyist hardware to Ukraine
and appoint yourself commander of the Ukrainian People's Lberatrion Drone Force Lincoln Brigade
and party with the locals like there is no tomrrow
after using a poisson distribution to calculate the probability of a cruise missile impacts on random squares in a grid
--or--
go back to your boring ass job and just dream about it....
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Trench,
you'll wanna time your trip to be in sync with the weather
this is important!
you do't wanna be there when all the wimmin are wearing big heavy coats
warmer weather brings tighter, sexier clothing, especially on "professional" women
it also changes their attitude, it really kind of accellerates things!!
it'll be interesting to see how many Ukrainian refugee wimmin will be in Kishiniv
in Kisiniv, you got the local wimmin, and you got the village wimmin
locals are usually college educated, have a professional job
village girls aren't college educated, have some kinda manual labor type of job
if you can handle driving on the opposite side of the road, I'd rent a car
you can just drive around, and offer to give wimmin you see walking a ride
during peak hours, you'll see gazillions of beautiful wimmin walkin by the roads 'round kishiniv, 100% they'll say "Da" just like in Ukraine homeBOY!!
this is how you get to step ONE!!!
by just driving around on the outskirts of the city!!!!
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Trench,
you'll wanna time your trip to be in sync with the weather
this is important!
you do't wanna be there when all the wimmin are wearing big heavy coats
warmer weather brings tighter, sexier clothing, especially on "professional" women
it also changes their attitude, it really kind of accellerates things!!
it'll be interesting to see how many Ukrainian refugee wimmin will be in Kishiniv
in Kisiniv, you got the local wimmin, and you got the village wimmin
locals are usually college educated, have a professional job
village girls aren't college educated, have some kinda manual labor type of job
if you can handle driving on the opposite side of the road, I'd rent a car
you can just drive around, and offer to give wimmin you see walking a ride
during peak hours, you'll see gazillions of beautiful wimmin walkin by the roads 'round kishiniv, 100% they'll say "Da" just like in Ukraine homeBOY!!
this is how you get to step ONE!!!
by just driving around on the outskirts of the city!!!!
That's a good point Krim, will definitely be better in warm weather. So probably April but avoiding the Easter Holidays for flying out as they're a real pain for flying for people & kids queuing up the airports. Early April that far south will probably be warm enough by then.
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Surely you are not so arrogant as to think that everyone is just like you, with the same dating options you have, in the same stage of life as you, and looking for the same type of women as you searched for.
You also looked for college educated women. Do you really think a highly educated woman is going to go for Trench?
You've described your relationships as a transactional relationship, where the gal offers her youth and beauty, and you offer financial security...but that feelings can develop over time. Trench needs to find a woman who will fall head over heels for him.
Learning a girl's native language opens up a larger dating pool. Some guys need the biggest dating pool they can get. Limiting themselves to women who only speak English is shooting themselves in the foot.
I studied Spanish for 3 years in high school. A foreign language was required for graduation, and Spanish was the only language offered. I have no intention of ever living in any Spanish speaking country, or marrying a Spanish speaking girl.
Charming, lol. Well I'm not really bothered/after a College educated woman for sure. I don't really mind whether she is College educated or not. If she is a career professional woman than that tends to be a turn off for me. I don't need some woman putting career ahead of children & me. That and any superior attitude with such a woman is not a good place for me. The girls that are college educated but without any real career to speak off vary, some can bore on about intellectual stuff too much others can be ok.
I don't think ML is arrogant, I've never seen that in him. I believe he understands the workings of the FSU from his position and that may be where others understand it or not. I'm not a real wealthy guy in a position of influence/power. ML was/is in a position where FSU people look up to him in a big way and can't afford to p*ss him off if doing business with him. I rather need more of an insider angle and knowing the language helps with that.
As you correctly state learning their language can open up a bigger dating pool and that can be a significant advantage with the right woman. My preference is still to continue learning Russian as if you can't access Ukraine then it's very flexible for alternative countries but your choice.
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I think you need to stop thinking. Analysis paralysis.
If you want to do something, you will find a way to make it happen.
If you don't want to do something, you will find excuses for why it won't work.
You act like you don't really want to develop a relationship with a girl.
I can have a problem with overanalyzing I admit but the last two years we've been held down with virus then a full blown war kicking off. I haven't been in a great place to act during that time as house, time and money concerns. This year should hopefully resolve those early on in the year and be able to move finally on it. Learning Russian better will help I think as while as start in a language is handy the girl will really want you to know it well if possible.
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Chișinău, Moldova
Weather averages
OVERVIEW
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Month High / Low(°C) Rain
January 2° / -4° 6 days
February 3° / -3° 5 days
March 9° / 1° 5 days
April 17° / 7° 7 days
May 23° / 13° 7 days
June 27° / 16° 7 days
July 29° / 18° 7 days
August 28° / 18° 5 days
September 23° / 13° 4 days
October 16° / 7° 4 days
November 9° / 2° 5 days
December 4° / -2° 6 days
Looks like early April is probably going to be the best earliest date barring Russian invasion. Easter Friday is on the 7th but flying out before then should be ok in theory.
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A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo. Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes. Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech? No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent? Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences? Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber? They love it. They see effort. Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.
Many thanks again for the Duolingo tip Beefarmer :) I've started at the beginning with Russian with it and done a fair few short lessons on it. It's pretty handy especially for when tired or short on time and not feeling like wanting to be too hard pressed. Pimsleur is good but I find especially as the difficulty level increases more concentration is needed and it gets more taxing which isn't great when a bit knackered.
Duolingo I'm finding is good as it's done in a simple & fun way a guess a bit like when you learn English as a child in School. Kind of takes the repetition of phrases out of it a bit and breaks it down. Also handy for learning the reading of the language alongside which I have missed out so far in favour of concentrating on the speaking with Pimsleur. That I think could be handy for me when out & about and having a bit more familiarity with written Russian words that are here and there.
Idea at the moment is to press on with Duolingo up to the stage I have gotten with Pimsleur to cement in my learning some more. Pimsleur has been good but I still had the feeling that I didn't feel confident on recall & retention. Often it came back when listening to more on Pimsleur but off the top of my head only felt I could recall some basic phrases with ease.
Anyway, just to let you know I've been giving it a go and not just banging away in here ;)
The trip to Chișinău well they mostly speak Romanian there, some Russian (moreso in transnistria from what I hear) and possibly sone Ukrainian from Ukrainian refugees. To me it's got to do for now as the only other choice is likely Kazakhstan which is more travel time & money. Kazakhstan may in some ways be a better choice as I'm thinking possibly a more easier dating scene there but at the moment I've only got so much I want to spend out so Chișinău is a pretty cheap choice.
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So yeah all set on Chișinău in a few months all being good. Should at least show me if there is much go in the idea, I'll be saying to the women that I spend part of my time in Chisinau and part in the UK on an ongoing basis. I would have liked Odessa as looks a bit more pleasant than Chișinău but due to the war Chișinău will have to do. Chișinău I can get cheap flights to and is a fairly short flight journey so serves purpose well enough. My general aim is of course to live partly in the FSU, Chișinău or wherever and partly back home should I find a suitable lady. Until my visit I will concentrate on improving my Russian, my physique and anything else that I can improve. I know from a previous conversation I had with a lady out that way a month or so ago the economy is not in a good way out there, gas & electricity shortages, costs, etc. I will spend about a week out there and see how things go and see if I meet anyone I can get on with.
On other issues not sure how the girls I met previously in Ukraine are getting on. Never had the social media site for the first girl from Mariupol, not sure she did one, she was a tall blonde a good 5ft 8" or so, slenderish and above average looks facially, I met her in Kyiv at the start of my search a few years ago. She spoke superb English so who knows maybe she fled Mariupol to the west, I would like to think so. I gave her a vase when we met, a fairly large one from Poole Pottery near the area where I grew up. Whether that vase is still in one piece if still in Mariupol who knows. Possibly blown to pieces.
Kherson girl meanwhile still hasn't updated her social media from when the war started. She is still down as living in Kherson on FB as her current city & also get hometown. Her VK profile has been suspended and has been since before the war possibly due to the Russian issue they had or possibly some other issue. She had a stubborn streak so maybe she was foolish enough to remain in Kherson. Given what's happened there that's not the place to be in my mind.
Anyhow for both girls that's all in the past. I would like to think I have learnt a lot over the past few years. Possibly either girl could have worked had I been in a better position and knew more if the scene who knows. For me now it's really all about looking forward and seeing if I can meet anyone nice in Chisinau. The house is getting near complete so after my initial one week visit if any decent girls crop up and should be able to get back out there more and for longer in the immediate future.
Now to preparation :)
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"If you make your own bread, then and only then, are you are a free man unchained and alive livin in pooty tang paradise or, say no and live in incel island with all the others and try not to shoot up a school, ok?"
This I've quoted from Krimster from stuff he recently said. It's really spoken to me as to where I want to be. It's something I've been working towards a while now as is where I want to be. My house renovation has unfortunately taken way longer than hoped for, I essentially hoped to have finished it last year or even the year before :-\ That it has now shown was ridiculously optimistic of me. I do however firmly believe that the house will be pretty much done in the next 3-4 months and I'll be able to rent out some rooms thereafter or at least be free from the cost of the renovation :) That will help bring about the above 'Freeman' status as apart from the Serf/Slave status like old Medieval times that we still often unwittingly seem to subject ourselves too in the form of the 'Employee'. For me the revenue from the room rental will not be large but probably around or near my current salary level. I know 2tallbill has highlighted my low salary issue in the past, lol. I think though that it will at least free me from reliance upon an Employer an allow me the time to branch out into other forms of independent/passive income which will aid me further. A few ideas I have to mind but really need to have the time available to put them into motion. Finishing the house and freeing up time there along with chucking in work once my financial position is decent enough should release bags of extra free time to do that.
For me it's kind of a period of enlightenment to look forward too, at least I hope. Last time I felt that was when I left School at 16 (went to a Further Education College) and so no longer felt oppressed by all the school rules and bla, bla, bla. Where I currently work isn't too bad but like many others in this country In am of course tied to my Employer. Loss of income is of course always a pain but I hope to replace that as said as soon as possible. For now just looking forward to finishing of the house in the next three months, learning Russian, working out and preparing to move forward.
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"If you make your own bread, then and only then, are you a free man unchained and alive living in pooty tang paradise, or say no and live in Incel island with all the others."
Ok, New Year's resolution time. I've changed my below signature to Krim's excellent quote (abbreviated slightly, etc). I hope you don't mind me using it Krim it just really spoke to me of where I want to be - not Incel island ;D
I don't see myself as likely ever fully living abroad but living in the UK (same for US/the West I'm sure) is anything but paradise on the woman dating scene front. Western countries have been just too messed up by the way they have moved society in recent decades and its never been moved in a way that favours me like many men but rather against us. I'm somewhat lucky in hopefully being able to take some time out from the ways of the West and as Krimster so aptly puts it get over to 'pooty tang paradise'.
For me the only plus in recent years in the UK has been Brexit but for me it's late in the day to help me a great deal. Plus with a Labour government looking conceivable in a couple of years time who knows how long Brexit may last. So for me it's time to put my focus on what I might be able to achieve abroad if possible. There's little more I can do in the UK that might help my circumstance so abroad is likely my only option left. So here's to pushing forward with that in the New Year 🎉💥🙂
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my experience of dating in the UK is really from a LONG time ago
but...
I do remember Manchester on a Friday or Saturday night
there'd be groups of girls pub crawling walking out in the crowded streets
EZ pickins, cuz they're already half wasted...
however, my favorite place to pick up girls was in AMSTERDAM!!!
I could EASILY get young Russian girls I'd meet out shopping (and there were quite a few) to go back to my apartment and smoke weed with me and then phuque!!
GOOD TIMES AND PERFECTLY LEGAL THERE!!!!!
and then after that spend the evening in one of the "Exclusive Sex Clubs" in the red light district, you'll end up having so much sex there that you can go for just two weeks and you'll get enough to last you all year!!
you incels should give that a go, if you're American just don't shoot up any more schools
if you're british stop voting for the tories!!! WTF???
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my experience of dating in the UK is really from a LONG time ago
but...
I do remember Manchester on a Friday or Saturday night
there'd be groups of girls pub crawling walking out in the crowded streets
EZ pickins, cuz they're already half wasted...
however, my favorite place to pick up girls was in AMSTERDAM!!!
I could EASILY get young Russian girls I'd meet out shopping (and there were quite a few) to go back to my apartment and smoke weed with me and then phuque!!
GOOD TIMES AND PERFECTLY LEGAL THERE!!!!!
and then after that spend the evening in one of the "Exclusive Sex Clubs" in the red light district, you'll end up having so much sex there that you can go for just two weeks and you'll get enough to last you all year!!
you incels should give that a go, if you're American just don't shoot up any more schools
if you're british stop voting for the tories!!! WTF???
I've only briefly been to Manchester twice but find the people generally friendly there and easier to get on with perhaps. Generally up north is likely to be a bit easier to get with a girl but not sure on situation these days. Girls down south can be as cold as ice and even those that aren't most are very picky if they are even interested. Girls going after careers has altered their focus a lot in the UK. Also a lot of ethnic minorities up north, Asians, etc. Nothing so much against them but not my scene for dating or living in communities that are heavily Asian.
In truth where I have grown up down south probably didn't favour me but hindered a lot in getting with women. As a working class kid living in a middle class area and going to a middle class school that likely pushed the odds against me. Middle class girls have high expectations of what they want and a working class boy is starting off from a negative with them from the get go, having a cockney like accent likely didn't help with them. If I were above average in looks, good physique, good social skills and/or wealthy family that would have helped, any one or more of them. Had I gone to a school in a working class area down south that would probably been easier for me to score as a 6ft (or going that way at the time) guy I would have some interest on that front. We could have lived in the posher part of a working class area rather than the poorer/average part of the middle class area and to the local working class girls I would likely be seen as a good catch. None of that of course was my choice just what I got landed with. Perhaps I am looking at it with rose tinted specs but guess I'll never know for sure.
I think these days in the UK society has changed a lot in the last couple of decades and stuff is real tough for guys now for getting with any even half decent women. Definitely a better scene abroad in most cases I reckon. For me while sex with a good girl is good it's really always been more about wanting a real relationship with a woman and having a family/life. That is what seems to be increasingly denied to us guts in the west these days even if we work pretty hard.
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All you have to do is take some of the time and effort you waste on here, and start learning Russian or Ukrainian on Duolingo (for free). The next thing you know, the language barrier is breaking down.
A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo. Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes. Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech? No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent? Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences? Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber? They love it. They see effort. Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.
Duolingo is a good program I appreciate your tip there Bee Farmer. I think doing a bit each day isn't a bad idea. However are you aware the time you spend probably only adds up to around 30 hours learning Ukrainian for the year?
Just gotten around to adding it up as it struck me as curious as you state Dualingo says you now know around 600 words and you say it's said that it takes 1000-2000 words to become conversational. I've no doubt that Dualingo is probably correct in the words you know & 1000-2000 words will probably allow some possible conversation.
However, that kind of conflicts what I googled online that it takes at least around 1100 hrs of learning Ukrainian (1200 hrs Russian) to know it to a decent/fluent level. Think Pat thought it might be somewhat more hours possibly to reach a fluent level. Set against that 30 hours seems to be only nibbling away at the seemingly monumental struggle to learn such a language. I'm not knocking your efforts Bee Farmer, my guess is that you've probably learnt some useful stuff and you've made an effort. It just kind of makes me wonder at which point does a foreigner like us get to a useful state of affairs with such a language?
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Duolingo is a good program I appreciate your tip there Bee Farmer. I think doing a bit each day isn't a bad idea. However are you aware the time you spend probably only adds up to around 30 hours learning Ukrainian for the year?
And how many hours a year do you spend writing posts on here?
However, that kind of conflicts what I googled online that it takes at least around 1100 hrs of learning Ukrainian (1200 hrs Russian) to know it to a decent/fluent level.
Have you considered that whatever you googled was nonsense? (and there is a big difference between decent and fluent.)
When I was in high school, I took Spanish classes for 3 years. That is one 45 minute class every day, 180 days a year. That's about 400 hours, and not all of it was actually learning. I can say that probably all the kids who had 3 years of Spanish classes were conversational.
Set against that 30 hours seems to be only nibbling away at the seemingly monumental struggle to learn such a language.
What makes you think my goal is to learn the language? (I assume you mean being fluent, because fluency is NOT my goal.)
It just kind of makes me wonder at which point does a foreigner like us get to a useful state of affairs with such a language?
How do you define a "useful state of affairs?" My goal is not a certain level of conversational ability or fluency.
Ever hear of the 5 love languages? All 5 different languages can make a person feel loved, but some women will value each type of love language higher or lower. Some things mean more to them than others.
Women's most common primary love language is quality time. That's really hard with a long distance relationship. Phone calls, video chats, and text messages help, but it's still hard to build a strong connection without face to face time.
The next most common love language for women is words of affirmation. It shouldn't be hard to find ways of complimenting a girl.
Acts of service and physical touch come next, and gifts is usually last place for women.
But all women are different. Some women value acts of service the highest.
So what exactly is acts of service? It might be opening a door for her. It might be taking out the trash, or helping with dishes or laundry. It might be going to work every day to earn a living to support the family.
I'll give you another example of an Act of Service. If a girl's native language is different from your native language, learning some of her language can be an act of service. It doesn't matter how much you learn. What matters is that she is important to you, and you are putting in effort for her. Duolingo encourages people to build a habit of a daily lesson, and keeps track of how many days of lessons in a row you have. (a streak) What is the impact on a woman when you can show her that you have been doing a daily lesson for X months? She can see that you are reliable and dependable if you can do a lesson every day.
Repetition plus emotion is how you change someone's subconscious. Women are emotional creatures. They want an emotional connection. Speaking in a foreign language is difficult, and can be hard to express emotion. It takes too much brain just trying to get the words right.) But if you speak in her native tongue, it can be a positive emotion for her. If she sees you trying to learn her tongue, when you try to use a few words over and over as you talk with her, it helps her build a positive emotional connection with you. And that's what it's about - finding a way to build a positive emotional connection with the girl. Learning some of her native tongue is just a tool to help you build an emotional connection with her.
As a side note, if you ever watched the YouTube channel Bald and Bankrupt, he gave some good advice on learning Russian. Do not try to learn grammar. Focus on learning vocabulary. He admits that his Russian is horrible, and he makes tons of mistakes. But it is functional because it is still possible to be understood.
You don't have to be fluent. If a girl tells you, "Me love you long time" is it going to matter to you that it is broken English? Of course not, because you know she is trying to speak your native tongue, and you can still understand what is meant.
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And how many hours a year do you spend writing posts on here?
Have you considered that whatever you googled was nonsense? (and there is a big difference between decent and fluent.)
When I was in high school, I took Spanish classes for 3 years. That is one 45 minute class every day, 180 days a year. That's about 400 hours, and not all of it was actually learning. I can say that probably all the kids who had 3 years of Spanish classes were conversational.
What makes you think my goal is to learn the language? (I assume you mean being fluent, because fluency is NOT my goal.)
How do you define a "useful state of affairs?" My goal is not a certain level of conversational ability or fluency.
Ever hear of the 5 love languages? All 5 different languages can make a person feel loved, but some women will value each type of love language higher or lower. Some things mean more to them than others.
Women's most common primary love language is quality time. That's really hard with a long distance relationship. Phone calls, video chats, and text messages help, but it's still hard to build a strong connection without face to face time.
The next most common love language for women is words of affirmation. It shouldn't be hard to find ways of complimenting a girl.
Acts of service and physical touch come next, and gifts is usually last place for women.
But all women are different. Some women value acts of service the highest.
So what exactly is acts of service? It might be opening a door for her. It might be taking out the trash, or helping with dishes or laundry. It might be going to work every day to earn a living to support the family.
I'll give you another example of an Act of Service. If a girl's native language is different from your native language, learning some of her language can be an act of service. It doesn't matter how much you learn. What matters is that she is important to you, and you are putting in effort for her. Duolingo encourages people to build a habit of a daily lesson, and keeps track of how many days of lessons in a row you have. (a streak) What is the impact on a woman when you can show her that you have been doing a daily lesson for X months? She can see that you are reliable and dependable if you can do a lesson every day.
Repetition plus emotion is how you change someone's subconscious. Women are emotional creatures. They want an emotional connection. Speaking in a foreign language is difficult, and can be hard to express emotion. It takes too much brain just trying to get the words right.) But if you speak in her native tongue, it can be a positive emotion for her. If she sees you trying to learn her tongue, when you try to use a few words over and over as you talk with her, it helps her build a positive emotional connection with you. And that's what it's about - finding a way to build a positive emotional connection with the girl. Learning some of her native tongue is just a tool to help you build an emotional connection with her.
As a side note, if you ever watched the YouTube channel Bald and Bankrupt, he gave some good advice on learning Russian. Do not try to learn grammar. Focus on learning vocabulary. He admits that his Russian is horrible, and he makes tons of mistakes. But it is functional because it is still possible to be understood.
You don't have to be fluent. If a girl tells you, "Me love you long time" is it going to matter to you that it is broken English? Of course not, because you know she is trying to speak your native tongue, and you can still understand what is meant.
Thanks Bee Farmer, well I don't think my Russian will likely be the sort of act of service a Ukrainian girl would want to hear lol. Its kind of a railroad track that's already been laid though as started well before the Invasion of Ukraine. Real difficult to know if I had the choice now, Russian has way more territory use, Ukrainian of course as you suggest would likely endear a Ukrainian girl more. As it is any change would be a :trainwreck: in the making. Who knows though always the chance of a Russian speaking or Russian girl popping up, life can be a funny thing so any random stuff can happen.
I know what you mean about the steadily tapping out learning a language approach. The interest more in speaking a few words to endear a Ukrainian girl to you I also get. My own perspective I wanted decided on that at the beginning of learning Russian mainly because at the time it seemed all that could reasonably be hoped for. Now though after a bit of time trying to learn Russian I'm out for wanting greater command of the language. I personally see learning a FSU language as money in the bank. I've been in situations with FSW who don't know English at all well and while translation apps are a boon these days they can be a lag in communication that can become unproductive. Usually I find more extensive use tend to tire on both somewhat. I'm not saying I'm going to jump up speaking fluent Russian tommorow but I feel with each improvement in learning can help towards more natural communication even if basic and occasionally not always that correct. If I can get towards just basic communication with a FSW then that can aid day to day communication. I believe non-verbal communication, face expressions, etc can aid in that in extending the basic language further than it's spoken words.
I guess what I'm saying is that while I understand the outlook to just understanding a few words to touch landing I kind of came to the realisation that it wasn't going to be enough. That I was at a big disadvantage by not know Russian (or similar) to an everyday useful level both when over there and moving around, vulnerability issues and in connecting with a FSW. I know I write a lot of stuff on here but I make efforts, last week according to Duolingo I spent just over 6 hours learning Russian. A lot is stuff kind of already knew but is handy anyway I say my recall ability I do t feel is good. Generally if possible I'm going to try and devout 5 hours or more a week to learning Russian. I don't know how good or bad I might get but I would rather try and crack it anyway.
I've never heard of the 5 love languages. Probably true though. I think the distance one is a real issue as can put a wedge in the way from the get go. Kind of why I plan on just getting out over there this year. How about you Bee Farmer any plans for getting out there this year?
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That depends upon Putin. The girl I have been talking to was drafted into the army, and is an assistant to frontline medics. She keeps getting moved all over and doesn't have free time. She hasn't even gotten to go back to the village and see her parents since before the war.
As things stand right now, if I traveled to Ukraine, she wouldn't have free time to spend with me even if I could get to where she was at.
She sent me a pic the other day, showing me what a tired person who hasn't washed in 3 days looks like.
As soon as she is able to have free time to spend with me, I plan on going over. I suspect that largely depends on when the fighting stops.
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That depends upon Putin. The girl I have been talking to was drafted into the army, and is an assistant to frontline medics. She keeps getting moved all over and doesn't have free time. She hasn't even gotten to go back to the village and see her parents since before the war.
As things stand right now, if I traveled to Ukraine, she wouldn't have free time to spend with me even if I could get to where she was at.
She sent me a pic the other day, showing me what a tired person who hasn't washed in 3 days looks like.
As soon as she is able to have free time to spend with me, I plan on going over. I suspect that largely depends on when the fighting stops.
Bee Farmer man, that could be years!!!
I know that in the Army leave is granted but in wartime depending on the situation, set up, etc. But odds are they're likely to always be busy/needed and even if they get away visiting family is likely to be first priority. No telling if she would get enough time off to see you or either of you get to a meetup.
It's kind of why I decided I can't focus too much on Ukraine, a Ukrainian woman as it's become complex. I've seen it, so has Pat and no doubt others. Either meeting up with the women or the women turning out to be in another country altogether, etc.
I hope you're not just focusing on this woman Bee Farmer you could be throwing your life away hoping and waiting. I'm not saying ditch her but hopefully you're scouting out other women also. I'm not saying it couldn't come through for you but you could well be waiting on a long time for her, years even then no guarantee of chemistry upon arrival. That and I don't wish to raise a downer but odds are she's not totally immune to the events out there. You sound to me like someone who has it together enough to be able to get out to somewhere in the FSU and put into practice all that you've learnt. I personally would do that within the next few months if it were me. The virus, the war, etc have made stuff difficult these past couple of years or so but now I feel there is a real chance to get back out there again!
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If you want to see someone throwing their life away hoping and waiting, I suggest you look in the mirror.
I've already met this girl face to face. I'm happy with the progression of things, and see no point in looking elsewhere. So far, it works for us.
If it's meant to be, a few years won't matter. If it's not meant to be, a few years won't matter.
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If you want to see someone throwing their life away hoping and waiting, I suggest you look in the mirror.
I've already met this girl face to face. I'm happy with the progression of things, and see no point in looking elsewhere. So far, it works for us.
If it's meant to be, a few years won't matter. If it's not meant to be, a few years won't matter.
Good that you've already met her Bee Farmer but if it were me I would be wanting her to do a runner. As a woman it should be easy a task though probably best to circumvent the border check points through the wilderness. Get over there and set up a life with her maybe somewhere like Chișinău. Unless you make things happen nothing will and I don't think putting it down to it not meaning to be is the commitment you need to be thinking off.
Me I've got a trip lined up and have been preparing. I'm looking for the real deal no messing about. Don't know if I'll get it but that's what I'm aiming for.
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so, in other words, another failed trip to Ukraine, right Bee Boy...
that's TWO now, right??...
with nothing to show....
NO RESULTS!!!
cuz a bird in hand, curled up next to ya in bed, is worth 10 who are waiting for ya til after the war's over...
WAIT!!! I have an idea for you!!
why not Pretend you have a Ukrainiang girl who's "waiting fer ya" LOL!!!
oh, you already had this idea.... sorry....
don't reach for the little splinter of wood in Trench's eye, when ya got a freakin redwood log stuck in your own eye
ok?
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Good that you've already met her Bee Farmer but if it were me I would be wanting her to do a runner. As a woman it should be easy a task though probably best to circumvent the border check points through the wilderness. Get over there and set up a life with her maybe somewhere like Chișinău.
I have no idea what it means to do a runner. I'm guessing that is some sort of British slang that means to go AWOL. You think I should ask her to run away from Ukraine, and then I should go set up a life with her in some place like Chisinau.
This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard you say. Why on earth would I want to ruin both of our lives? Everyone loses in your scenario, and no one wins.
She's conscripted in the army. If she deserts, I'm sure an arrest warrant will be issued. She would never be able to travel back to Ukraine and see her family again. She loves her family dearly.
It's just absolutely moronic to suggest that a woman should abandon her family to go make a new life in a strange country with a man she barely knows. That's a recipe for disaster. You don't just marry a girl. You marry her whole family too.
If a girl is willing to abandon her responsibilities (like deserting from the army, and her family) to run off with you to Chisinau to start a new life, she is not a girl that you want anything to do with.
She had a stable job before the war, which allowed her to help financially support her parents in the village. Why would she go to another economically depressed country to look for a job? What's the odds she will earn enough to help support her parents?
Why would I walk away from the economic benefits the western world provides me, so that I can go live in poverty in Chisinau?
I have a better idea. It's called a win-win situation. How about I continue working in America, earning good money? (The girl moved to Kyiv from the village in search of economic opportunity. She said she would prefer to live in the village if she could earn the same money as she earns in Kyiv.) If we get to the point of integrating a life together, I can buy a cottage in her village that is close to her family. I can spend several months of the year in America, earning enough to support us. I can spend a few months of the year in Ukraine with her. She can live near her family and help take care of her aging parents, whom she dearly loves. She can also spend a few months of the year here visiting me.
That's a win-win situation for everyone. That sounds a lot better than us trying to make a life in Chisinau.
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"It's just absolutely moronic to suggest that a woman should abandon her family to go make a new life in a strange country with a man she barely knows"
really, this first woman did when she married me and left Ukraine, and I'm not exaggerating 6'1" and a freakin hard body Ukrainian farm girl and this photo is from a summer in Greece after having two children...
and this second woman did, when she became my personal attorney and traveled with me from Russia to Costa Rica and lived with me AND my wife for several months, and yes, I was the cream in that Oreo cookie
any more "absolutes" you want to proclaim?
hmmmmmmm......
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I have a better idea. It's called a win-win situation. How about I continue working in America, earning good money? (The girl moved to Kyiv from the village in search of economic opportunity. She said she would prefer to live in the village if she could earn the same money as she earns in Kyiv.) If we get to the point of integrating a life together, I can buy a cottage in her village that is close to her family. I can spend several months of the year in America, earning enough to support us. I can spend a few months of the year in Ukraine with her. She can live near her family and help take care of her aging parents, whom she dearly loves. She can also spend a few months of the year here visiting me.
That's a win-win situation for everyone. That sounds a lot better than us trying to make a life in Chisinau.
In theory that could work out but its only what works in your mind. The girl might be agreeable to it but would it ever really work that way?
How long will the war last? Will she survive the war? Will her parents survive the war/love that long? Might her idea of what she wants in life change? Would she run off with the cottage after you buying it and divorce you? Would she want to bother visiting you often in the US or just not bother? Would she even be interested in what you propose post war?
I'm not trying burst your bubble Bee Farmer but as much as it could work it also couldn't is what I'm getting at. It's up to you what you do with in life and where you place your bets. Would a FSW wait for a guy under the same circumstance???
If I were in your position Bee Farmer I would seriously consider instead searching for a woman in South America instead. You've got all the tools you need for that already, you already know conversational Spanish, all that is needed is a quick brush up on Duolingo, you might even be able to improve upon it. South America is a lot closer so you could visit regularly, let's face it going back & forth to the FSU is going to get old fast both for you and the girl. On the hypergamy scale you gain a lot of pluses from going to South America:
+ You're a White Dude, Lantino girls will see that as a step up the social hierarchy.
+ You will be seen as a wealthy guy from a wealthy country.
+ You'll be able to offer any offspring (hers or yours) the opportunities that America holds.
+ America has better healthcare, facilities, etc.
The list I'm sure goes on but the point being is all of the plus points on the hypergamy scale will help you hold onto a chick. They'll show greater interest as you will more easily be seen as a man of great importance. To my mind it's crazy to travel a farther distance to a land where you know barely any of the language to women that likely won't receive you as well.
If I were in the US I would definitely go to South America it's just far more logical and far easier to work it. After all Bee Farmer if you've only been to the FSU twice in the years you've been at it is it really a workable situation? For me something as you propose could be workable as I only live a three hour plane trip away (5-6 hours with travel from airport at either end, etc).
I'm not sure why you US guys go the FSU unless for real specific reasons/connections. South America is far more accessible and likely a quick win. Sure they may be slightly tanned but that will save time down the beach. If you have kids they may be slightly also but honestly though there is a slight nudge on the hypergamy scale to me it would make little difference. Hispanic girls can be hot, like any race some are pretty some not so and everything in between. I would say it's your chance to get a hot girl and hold onto her Bee Farmer and not have a load of other dudes after her. Your choice but I think you're trying to play the European game where the Americas game is a more natural fit.
The whole visit in is kind of what I have in mind but it really requires short travel flight time and ability to go regularly. Most FSW will want you to be there reasonably regularly and it's probably best to or they might start playing away. I myself intend to chuck in my job in a few months and move over to independent income to achieve this. Trying to hold down a job or business abroad especially a long way away and it hold together I am not sure that would work. I'm even wondering if what you suggest isn't kind of heading in the direction of being a sponsor. I think any language issue could be a problem also, if you don't speak good Ukrainian then she would have to speak good English. That could be a burden on her if she isn't naturally good at it, if she is then it's not so bad.
I'm just saying that you may have a good quick win more closer to home in South America. I would definitely scout out the possibility as putting your life on hold for this woman I am not sure is a good idea.
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my wife and and I are goin to Jamaica next month, when I go buy fresh coffee plants...
central America is not as good as Ukraine in terms of the quality of women, they really only have just one type of look, and only a few who ARE REALLY GOOD LOOKING, they exist but are rare...
also, on the short side....
I'll take a strapping Ukrainian farm girl with muscled legs and abs, and will settle for nothing less...
OTOH, sexuality is MUCH more promiscuous in central America, I can get away with a lot of stuff with the local girls in Costa Rica that I WOULD NOT be able to do in the USA AT ALL!
White Privilige!
so, if you have tendencies for ANY kind of perversion,or in my case MULTIPLE kinds, central America is TOTALLY the place to go to!!!
also, VERY BIG "White Boy" fetish thing going on there
not as much as in Shanghai, China, that's freakin CRAZY how the women go after white boys there!!
but if you're one of them "fair haired, blue eyed wonders" with a svelte physique
watch what happens when you walk into a shop full of women
it's best to wear sun glasses so you don't have to freak out when you suddenly see 50 women ALL LOOKING AT YOU!!!!
AHHHHHH!!!
Dobre Den Moy Druzya
Remember folks, ESPECIALLY in these troubled times, a day without Krimskaya Koffee is like a day without drugs!!
save the "cold turkey" for the day after American Thanksgiving Holiday!
and enjoy a freshly brewed cup of enhanced Krimskaya Koffee!!
we bring the mountains of Bolivia and Costa Rica to your doma in Novo Rossiya!!! Nosdarovia Tovarische!!
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my wife and and I are goin to Jamaica next month, when I go buy fresh coffee plants...
central America is not as good as Ukraine in terms of the quality of women, they really only have just one type of look, and only a few who ARE REALLY GOOD LOOKING, they exist but are rare...
also, on the short side....
I'll take a strapping Ukrainian farm girl with muscled legs and abs, and will settle for nothing less...
OTOH, sexuality is MUCH more promiscuous in central America, I can get away with a lot of stuff with the local girls in Costa Rica that I WOULD NOT be able to do in the USA AT ALL!
White Privilige!
so, if you have tendencies for ANY kind of perversion,or in my case MULTIPLE kinds, central America is TOTALLY the place to go to!!!
also, VERY BIG "White Boy" fetish thing going on there
not as much as in Shanghai, China, that's freakin CRAZY how the women go after white boys there!!
but if you're one of them "fair haired, blue eyed wonders" with a svelte physique
watch what happens when you walk into a shop full of women
it's best to wear sun glasses so you don't have to freak out when you suddenly see 50 women ALL LOOKING AT YOU!!!!
AHHHHHH!!!
Dobre Den Moy Druzya
Remember folks, ESPECIALLY in these troubled times, a day without Krimskaya Koffee is like a day without drugs!!
save the "cold turkey" for the day after American Thanksgiving Holiday!
and enjoy a freshly brewed cup of enhanced Krimskaya Koffee!!
we bring the mountains of Bolivia and Costa Rica to your doma in Novo Rossiya!!! Nosdarovia Tovarische!!
You're forgetting Krim that your wife's height is unusually tall for Ukraine. Most Ukrainian girls the average height is around 5 foot 4 inches. Most of the girls on Fdate and a few of the girls I met were around 5ft 4". The only girl that wasn't was the first girl I met, the blonde girl from Mariupol, she was a bit taller and was happy that she could wear high heels with me without towering over me. In high heels she was about the same height, around my 6ft.
Anyhow so from what I see many Central/South America girls will be similar 5 foot 4 inches. For a tall guy like me that's not that ideal but I accept now that it's a lesser issue to get hung up on so I've decided it has to be more of a preference than a deal breaker. Many smaller girls are pretty and hot, in fact I find that looks wise can often be better looking than taller girls facially, not sure why that is possibly just down to greater prevalence of shorter women in the world. Physique I agree taller girls are great if in shape, a tall elegant form in a dress that shoes that off with a nice pair of titties dangling away is a glorious sight to behold. Short girls can do well enough if in shape but they can struggle to compete on that one. The biggest issue with shorter girls though I think is in bed, all sorts of maneuvering needed to make it work well enough and the girl's head often down at your chest as if she wants you to brest feed her lol. Just more natural feeling if the height difference isn't so marked but like I say not a deal-breaker just not as easy.
Looks vary and will depend upon what turns Bee Farmer on. I once worked at a place probably about a decade or so ago now which had a young cleaner girl (early twenties) who was from Brazil. She was tallish, just under my height I think and was as hot as hell. Not many South/Central Americans in the UK due to distance/Atlantic ocean like in America. She had been imported by this white dude and was marrying him. Didn't know him really but seemed to be from a reasonably well off family and probably had good sense to go to South America for a wife. He used to pick her up at work and could see why she was very pretty facially and a great figure. Her English was fairly decent. Seemed to show interest in me initially but then I think worked out I wasn't that high up the work hierarchy as it may have first appeared and socially not that wonderful. My personal view was that the guy might struggle to hold onto her once she got citizenship i.e be used as a visa mule but who knows. I got the impression that social climbing could be her outlook and she had the looks and charisma to do so if she so chose.
Anyway, things moved on but the potential quality of the women from those parts was not lost on me. Sure it's kind of looks based and perhaps other qualities should be considered but as men it tends to be an irresistible feature for most of us. I accept not all are going to be that attractive, many so-so or ugly ones. As we've seen from Ukraine though not all are pretty, possibly more on balance, but many fleeing the war who aren't. More of a case of the prettier ones feeling they can trade up/do better with a foreigner I take it as.
So yeah, I kind of just think that Bee Farmer at his age, guessing similar to mine mid forties would have a far easier time in Central/South America like you say the whole digging white boys, white fetish thing going on their. That could be a major win for Bee Farmer as they would see him potentially as a major upgrade and he prepared to stick with him potentially. Bee Farmer knowing Spanish is a great card to have to play, opens up many more women that some guys otherwise would struggle to get access to. Play to his strengths is what I'm saying rather than turn his back on an obvious easy win territory and spend years grasping for a hard reach in the FSU. A year on from now Bee Farmer could be set up with a hot Latino in his bed possibly having children with him instead of still being a penpal to some woman in Ukraine in a situation going nowhere fast.
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Probably one of the hang ups I'm guessing with US guys not going for Latino chicks is done may come across as a bit too tanned. I kind of get the impression that's due to where they are but taking one away from such sunny conditions I get the impression they lose a lot of that tan. Some in Central/South America may not be as tanned as others as well. I personally think a chick with a slight tan on her can be pretty hot looking.
As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days. Always the original tribes in the Amazon of course, etc. So I feel a lot of hang ups about ethnicity are not necessarily what they may need be. Even in Wales a lot of the inhabitants here with dark hair are originally thought to be from Celtic tribes from northern Spain, mostly the Basque area.
I personally think there is much to dig in Latino culture, a lot of those women can lot pretty hot in a traditional Spanish dress doing the Salsa or similar. Big plus of course is being able to visit most times of the year with little cold weather in most parts. If it were me as a US guy and no easy win showing from the FSU I would be over to Central/South America in a shot particularly if getting on to middle age as only so long on this planet as we get on so silly having hang ups about ever little thing at our age I feel. Better just to go out there and enjoy what we can.
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As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days.
Not an expert here, but I think you are totally wrong.
I think there are more native genes present in that population than European genes.
I saw a fair amount of college students up here from Central America.
Not a one of them looked at all European.
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In theory that could work out but its only what works in your mind. The girl might be agreeable to it but would it ever really work that way?
Only one way to find out. Make a decision and stick with it.
How long will the war last? Will she survive the war? Will her parents survive the war/love that long? Might her idea of what she wants in life change? Would she run off with the cottage after you buying it and divorce you? Would she want to bother visiting you often in the US or just not bother? Would she even be interested in what you propose post war?
I might drop dead tonight too. Rather than focusing on the potential negatives, I'd rather look at how to focus on the potential positives, while mitigating the negative possibilities as much as possible.
She's 39. By that age, most women's core values and goals are pretty well defined. It's unlikely she will change her life goals overnight.
Cottages are a little too heavy to run off with. And I would hope I have enough foresight to see if a girl is only interested in me as a way to get a cottage in a village. Cottages in a village in the middle of nowhere are pretty cheap. Even if she ended up with the cottage, it's not going to do her much good if there are no jobs there to support herself.
I have a half acre patch of blackberries that I sell at a farmers market every week. She has expressed interest in visiting me to help me pick the berries. (I don't know if she understands the difficulties of visiting America without being married, but America is going to have some serious conversations on immigration in about 5 years, and I expect the doors to be flung open to many immigrants. I think this will also be combined with welfare reform, with a massive reduction of welfare benefits.)
I think most foreigners would like to visit America, even if they are not interested in living here. I suspect she will still be interested after the war is over.
Finding a plane to fly on may be more difficult, since Airbus is basically dead now and they have the biggest market share.
If I were in your position Bee Farmer I would seriously consider instead searching for a woman in South America instead. You've got all the tools you need for that already, you already know conversational Spanish, all that is needed is a quick brush up on Duolingo, you might even be able to improve upon it. South America is a lot closer so you could visit regularly, let's face it going back & forth to the FSU is going to get old fast both for you and the girl. On the hypergamy scale you gain a lot of pluses from going to South America:
+ You're a White Dude, Lantino girls will see that as a step up the social hierarchy.
+ You will be seen as a wealthy guy from a wealthy country.
+ You'll be able to offer any offspring (hers or yours) the opportunities that America holds.
+ America has better healthcare, facilities, etc.
I find it quite laughable (and your analysis ignorant) that you would give dating advice to anyone.
Why would a Latina girl want a white guy, when she can get a Mexican guy who speaks Spanish and is familiar with her culture? Mexico's economy has improved greatly (and in the next 10-20 years, they will be the shining star of Central American countries). It's not Mexican illegal immigrants trying to come to America anymore. They can find good jobs in Mexico. Now it's the Central American countries we see the immigrants coming from.
I don't know why you think America has better healthcare. All their doctors went to medical school in the US and have the same training and equipment as US doctors. I know people who go to Mexico for medical care because it is comparable quality as the US, for a fraction of the price. Haven't you ever heard of medical tourism?
It's silly to think that a white American will be automatically viewed as a wealthy guy simply because he is American. Believe me, there are enough Latinos in America talking to folks back home (not to mention internet information) so Latino girls will have a very realistic idea of what a wealthy guy is.
Actually, I can't offer offspring the opportunities America offers. We're at the peak right now. We have more Baby Boomers retiring now than people entering the workforce. We're going to experience an economic contraction. We won't have more workers entering the workforce than people retiring until 2040. That means that if we have kids, when they get old enough to enter the workforce, there wilkl be a surplus of workers, and a shortage of jobs.
I'm not sure why you US guys go the FSU unless for real specific reasons/connections. South America is far more accessible and likely a quick win. Sure they may be slightly tanned but that will save time down the beach. If you have kids they may be slightly also but honestly though there is a slight nudge on the hypergamy scale to me it would make little difference. Hispanic girls can be hot, like any race some are pretty some not so and everything in between. I would say it's your chance to get a hot girl and hold onto her Bee Farmer and not have a load of other dudes after her.
You forget a few things. People tend to go for people who look like them. I like white girls personally.
Latina women also age differently. Every year, their hips and butt get bigger. By the time they are in my dating age group, they have more junk in the trunk than I like.
There's another factor you're forgetting. What's under the skin? Research shows that if there is more than a 20 IQ point gap between people, they have a hard time relating and communicating with the other. Mexican/Latin America average IQ is around 90. Yes, there are some exceptionally bright girls South of the border, but they are few and far between. (And if they are exceptionally bright, they have plenty of economic opportunities at home.) My IQ is above average for a white guy, so it's going to be a lot harder to find a Latina with the IQ I want.
The odds of finding a girl that meets the cultural/physical/IQ standards I want are far greater in Ukraine than in Latin America.
And if you get a hot girl, you will ALWAYS have loads of other guys who are after her. It's delusional to think that you can get a hot girl from anywhere, and not have other guys trying to get her. You're not going to change the guys. You just have to choose a girl who will commit to you, and not be interested in other guys. What country a girl is from is not going to change that.
Trying to hold down a job or business abroad especially a long way away and it hold together I am not sure that would work. I'm even wondering if what you suggest isn't kind of heading in the direction of being a sponsor.
Where there is a will, there is a way. It's not that difficult to hold down a business in America and live in Ukraine a few months of the year. The next thing you know, you are going to say that marriage sounds like a sponsor, if the guy is financially supporting the girl. Do you think that girls are just looking for a meal ticket?
Correct me if I am wrong, but being a sponsor does not suggest having any emotional attachment or a commitment. It is done mutually for financial and physical desires. You don't even have to like the person
or be committed to them. A relationship involves liking the person, and being committed to them.
I think any language issue could be a problem also, if you don't speak good Ukrainian then she would have to speak good English. That could be a burden on her if she isn't naturally good at it, if she is then it's not so bad.
You're going to have a language barrier between any international relationship. A high school friend married a British girl who came here to work. You can't understand half of what she says, and she speaks English.
As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days.
Argentina is about the only South American country with a lot of European genetics. There was a ton of European immigrants to Argentina. At one time it was a very wealthy country.
The rest of the Latino countries are still black haired, olive skinned descendants of the original indigenous groups.
it's just far more logical and far easier to work it.
you may have a good quick win more closer to home
would have a far easier time in Central/South America
on an obvious easy win territory
If it were me as a US guy and no easy win showing from the FSU
Why are you so focused on trying to get an easy girl? The easy girls are the ones most likely to leave you for another guy. That's why we say they are easy.
Why do you think another guy would want a relationship with an easy girl?
The girls you should want for a relationship are not easy girls. You are going to have to work. It's not going to be easy. But it will be worthwhile.
If all you want is an easy girl, just look for sex workers. Forget a relationship and be a sex tourist. It's probably the easiest/cheapest way to get a girl.
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INCELS
some incels must live sad and frustrating lives, to say the least...
I also believe that a long term addiction to porn/masturbation will lead to some kinda neural "degenercy", the Bible even tried to warn us about it...
but do you "self-induced seed spillers" have ANY shame over your obsessive compulsive seed spillin', HUH?
WELL, do ya?
obviously NOT, and I betcha ya don't even wash your HAND after
and you wonder why you're STILL SINGLE?
A MAJOR PRIZE like you!!
DUH!
unlike YOU seed spillers, I have not "pulled my pud" since I've been married
and that's a LONG time!
seed spillin fools
none of you realize how EZ it is to get Pooty Tang for westerners in some foreign environments, like Shanghai, for example
instead of NO POOTY TANG...
think of what it's like to get ALL the pooty tang you WANT
how much of your mental energy is then freed to go and do useful things...
instead of day dreaming about some naked girl WAITING JUST FOR YOU (with tender violin music)...
you could use that mental energy to write a small app that runs on Android Phones to embed messages in the bitcoin block chain that can be anonymously and globally distributed
or write a javascript application that does distributed fractional bitcoin mining and put the code in porn sites
you now now have hundreds of thousands of machines mining bitcoin
AND...
so on top of all the MONEY MAKIN OPPORTUNITIES the world offers to remote app developers
on top of that you GET ALL THE POOTY TANG you can handle from the local women who are around you and you come in contact with!!!!!
it's a quantum world, where you can live in these two different dimensions simultaneously
you seed spillers will NEVER, NEVER know what this feels like
it feels like riding in Tashkent in a Mercedes converdible with the top down and the CD cranked up...
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Only one way to find out. Make a decision and stick with it.
I might drop dead tonight too. Rather than focusing on the potential negatives, I'd rather look at how to focus on the potential positives, while mitigating the negative possibilities as much as possible.
She's 39. By that age, most women's core values and goals are pretty well defined. It's unlikely she will change her life goals overnight.
Cottages are a little too heavy to run off with. And I would hope I have enough foresight to see if a girl is only interested in me as a way to get a cottage in a village. Cottages in a village in the middle of nowhere are pretty cheap. Even if she ended up with the cottage, it's not going to do her much good if there are no jobs there to support herself.
I have a half acre patch of blackberries that I sell at a farmers market every week. She has expressed interest in visiting me to help me pick the berries. (I don't know if she understands the difficulties of visiting America without being married, but America is going to have some serious conversations on immigration in about 5 years, and I expect the doors to be flung open to many immigrants. I think this will also be combined with welfare reform, with a massive reduction of welfare benefits.)
I think most foreigners would like to visit America, even if they are not interested in living here. I suspect she will still be interested after the war is over.
Finding a plane to fly on may be more difficult, since Airbus is basically dead now and they have the biggest market share.
I find it quite laughable (and your analysis ignorant) that you would give dating advice to anyone.
Why would a Latina girl want a white guy, when she can get a Mexican guy who speaks Spanish and is familiar with her culture? Mexico's economy has improved greatly (and in the next 10-20 years, they will be the shining star of Central American countries). It's not Mexican illegal immigrants trying to come to America anymore. They can find good jobs in Mexico. Now it's the Central American countries we see the immigrants coming from.
I don't know why you think America has better healthcare. All their doctors went to medical school in the US and have the same training and equipment as US doctors. I know people who go to Mexico for medical care because it is comparable quality as the US, for a fraction of the price. Haven't you ever heard of medical tourism?
It's silly to think that a white American will be automatically viewed as a wealthy guy simply because he is American. Believe me, there are enough Latinos in America talking to folks back home (not to mention internet information) so Latino girls will have a very realistic idea of what a wealthy guy is.
Actually, I can't offer offspring the opportunities America offers. We're at the peak right now. We have more Baby Boomers retiring now than people entering the workforce. We're going to experience an economic contraction. We won't have more workers entering the workforce than people retiring until 2040. That means that if we have kids, when they get old enough to enter the workforce, there wilkl be a surplus of workers, and a shortage of jobs.
You forget a few things. People tend to go for people who look like them. I like white girls personally.
Latina women also age differently. Every year, their hips and butt get bigger. By the time they are in my dating age group, they have more junk in the trunk than I like.
There's another factor you're forgetting. What's under the skin? Research shows that if there is more than a 20 IQ point gap between people, they have a hard time relating and communicating with the other. Mexican/Latin America average IQ is around 90. Yes, there are some exceptionally bright girls South of the border, but they are few and far between. (And if they are exceptionally bright, they have plenty of economic opportunities at home.) My IQ is above average for a white guy, so it's going to be a lot harder to find a Latina with the IQ I want.
The odds of finding a girl that meets the cultural/physical/IQ standards I want are far greater in Ukraine than in Latin America.
And if you get a hot girl, you will ALWAYS have loads of other guys who are after her. It's delusional to think that you can get a hot girl from anywhere, and not have other guys trying to get her. You're not going to change the guys. You just have to choose a girl who will commit to you, and not be interested in other guys. What country a girl is from is not going to change that.
Where there is a will, there is a way. It's not that difficult to hold down a business in America and live in Ukraine a few months of the year. The next thing you know, you are going to say that marriage sounds like a sponsor, if the guy is financially supporting the girl. Do you think that girls are just looking for a meal ticket?
Correct me if I am wrong, but being a sponsor does not suggest having any emotional attachment or a commitment. It is done mutually for financial and physical desires. You don't even have to like the person
or be committed to them. A relationship involves liking the person, and being committed to them.
You're going to have a language barrier between any international relationship. A high school friend married a British girl who came here to work. You can't understand half of what she says, and she speaks English.
Argentina is about the only South American country with a lot of European genetics. There was a ton of European immigrants to Argentina. At one time it was a very wealthy country.
The rest of the Latino countries are still black haired, olive skinned descendants of the original indigenous groups.
Why are you so focused on trying to get an easy girl? The easy girls are the ones most likely to leave you for another guy. That's why we say they are easy.
Why do you think another guy would want a relationship with an easy girl?
The girls you should want for a relationship are not easy girls. You are going to have to work. It's not going to be easy. But it will be worthwhile.
If all you want is an easy girl, just look for sex workers. Forget a relationship and be a sex tourist. It's probably the easiest/cheapest way to get a girl.
And people on here say I make excuses for myself!
Bee Farmer, you're making more excuses than even I do with less reason than I do.
Read back what you write and you will see one excuse after another, none of it is relevant. Most of it contrived in your own mind as reasons not to do.
Go now to Fdate or wherever and look up girls in Central/South American countries. Pick out those that you like and start messaging them!
Then when you have found someone to visit go visit them it's a short flight from where you are of a few hours rather than a day on a plane. Even go visit any decent agency if at a short end while over there, just have done fun. If finding a plane to fly on across the Atlantic is getting tricky why get too concerned with this one girl. Sure keep her in the wings but see if you can make it happen with a Latino today, this year!
Nearly every girl of colour digs a white dude, far beyond wealth it speaks to her of social status and the social hierarchy. Most of the world sees white people at the top and them less so, don't ask me why they just do. It's not my outlook but most women that aren't white just do. In India women try to make their skin whiter with all sorts of products to achieve this, particularly actresses, models, girls looking to rise up the social hierarchy.
So that gives you a massive bonus Bee Farmer, like me you're white by default from birth. Likely like me think nothing of it yet these girls will dig you big time. They will think of nothing else but riding you to excel themselves up that hierarchy. You will literally be like a gift from above for many of them out there.
Look on the positive side with opportunities also, who knows how things are going to shape up. America has been dominant for over 100 years now and their playing of the situation in Ukraine/Russia as Krim has shown us is only going to make them stronger. Forget about the ins & outs and just grab the opportunities where you can.
For the love of it don't go wasting precious years holding out for sone woman in Ukraine who is past her sell by date as it is at the moment. Don't let the local situation with women make you so desperate, ignore it and get on a place to South America.
Within a few weeks you could be sorted with a chick down there be speaking her lingo and making plans for your future rather than penpalling it some women far away with probably nothing ever happening.
You can have a bright future ahead of you Bee Farmer and it's so easy. The women in Central/South America are going to be way easier to get into a relationship with than in the FSU. Make a move on it today and be cuddled up in bed with a hot Latino in a long term relationship a few days from now. It's what I would do in a heartbeat in your shoes, I just wish I was in a short cheap plane trip ride from all the action and a good life I could start living today not put on hold forever more.
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Don't know either if you are engaged to this girl in Ukraine?
Thing is with that no girl is tied down in Ukraine unless engaged to be married. Which means you've made her no commitment in her culture. So any overtures and thoughts that you are an item Bee Farmer essentially don't give you any claim to get being your girl as you think the case is with her. If she meets a guy in the Army or a fellow Medic, etc there she could get close quickly and you will be yesterday's news just done nice guy from the US but not a Ukrainian and far, far away. The practical aspect will quickly become apparent to her and she'll feel direct closeness with the guy. In any case guy or not I fear you are failing on the 1st of your 5 languages of love.
I'm not saying all this stuff to cheese you off or diss your relationship Bee Farmer I just think you need to assess the situation and realise it may not necessarily be all that. I'm not sure I do you realise how far fetched matters are in your situation. You're dealing with a completely different language that's a hard study with an almost completely different alphabet. You don't have a good command of Ukrainian but you di have a good command of Spanish and don't have to learn a new alphabet for it. To me it's a no brainer, the Central/South American option is already in your lap and you don't realise it and instead go for a much harder option and willing to wait it out years putting off potentially a lot of joy with no guarantee of success. I think Boe on here once suggested to me South America as a better option and I live much, much further away and know no Spanish.
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Anyway, update from me, the Russian language learning is going ok. I'm eager to get as much practice in before Chișinău as possible. There I've noticed that most Moldovans seem to know Russian in addition to those from Transnistria. On top of that will be any Ukrainians and possibly the odd few Russians. My outlook is that any one of those could turn up but not all of them may know English all that well. Hence if I can learn basic Russian to a basic conversation level by that time it could help immensely. So for me putting a fair bit of time into learning Russian better between them an now is the way forward I think for me.
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82% of people in Moldova speak Romanian.
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82% of people in Moldova speak Romanian.
But the follow-up is: How many of the people in Moldova are also conversant in Russian ?
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But the follow-up is: How many of the people in Moldova are also conversant in Russian ?
;D
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I went to Chisinau twice and spend a total time of more than two weeks.You could easily retrieve a teacher to learn Russian, you have to search for the local ad on internet and use google translator.
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I've only been once, and was with my wife and father-in-law who spoke native Moldovan, I drove only on the long straight parts of the highway, and let my F-I-L drive inside the city...
he was born there, and knew his way around!
a large percentage of Kitchenev College educated women in their 20s/30s will speak (some)English in Kitchenev....
with a latin origin, I suspect you Europeans are gonna find Romanian far easier to read and speak than Russki...
and...
if you liked Moldova, yur gonna LOVE Romania
especially Buchaest
PS
don't drink that sweet wine of theirs "Sweeka" it's AWFUL!! YUK!!
Trench's biggest problem in Moldova, is that he doesn't know how to drive on the RIGHT side of the road!!!
cuz if he did, he could rent a high end car
and cruise for chicks
all you do is offer a girl you see walking a lift!!!
so you just drive around places where you see a lotta women out walking....
look for a pretty one, and pull up next to her and roll down your window
WORKS EVERY FREAKING TIME!!
but NO, Trench drives ONLY on the LEFT...
see, back in the old days, you English and French realized the advantage that a man on a horse had over a man on foot
being "mounted" gives you a BIG advantage
and THIS is what YOU NEED Trench
to offset your disadvantage(s)
EVERYTHING is about achieving an equilibrium
instead of having to try and PUSH against the resistance you face in your efforts to seek Pooty-Tang
try to offset the negatives with positives that you CREATE!!!
a car is a simple tool to create a "positive amplifier" that helps you attract women
it separates you from the LOWER men!
so is a boat!!!!
so is a swimming pool!!!
the joy of drying off your 18 yr old neighbor's daughter with long blond hair after catching her skinny dipping in the pool when she saw my wife and kids drive away to go shopping is beyond compare. I'd make her a strawberry dauquarri, and dry her off with a white terry cloth towel
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I've only been once, and was with my wife and father-in-law who spoke native Moldovan, I drove only on the long straight parts of the highway, and let my F-I-L drive inside the city...
he was born there, and knew his way around!
a large percentage of Kitchenev College educated women in their 20s/30s will speak (some)English in Kitchenev....
with a latin origin, I suspect you Europeans are gonna find Romanian far easier to read and speak than Russki...
and...
if you liked Moldova, yur gonna LOVE Romania
especially Buchaest
PS
don't drink that sweet wine of theirs "Sweeka" it's AWFUL!! YUK!!
Trench's biggest problem in Moldova, is that he doesn't know how to drive on the RIGHT side of the road!!!
cuz if he did, he could rent a high end car
and cruise for chicks
all you do is offer a girl you see walking a lift!!!
so you just drive around places where you see a lotta women out walking....
look for a pretty one, and pull up next to her and roll down your window
WORKS EVERY FREAKING TIME!!
but NO, Trench drives ONLY on the LEFT...
see, back in the old days, you English and French realized the advantage that a man on a horse had over a man on foot
being "mounted" gives you a BIG advantage
and THIS is what YOU NEED Trench
to offset your disadvantage(s)
EVERYTHING is about achieving an equilibrium
instead of having to try and PUSH against the resistance you face in your efforts to seek Pooty-Tang
try to offset the negatives with positives that you CREATE!!!
a car is a simple tool to create a "positive amplifier" that helps you attract women
it separates you from the LOWER men!
so is a boat!!!!
so is a swimming pool!!!
the joy of drying off your 18 yr old neighbor's daughter with long blond hair after catching her skinny dipping in the pool when she saw my wife and kids drive away to go shopping is beyond compare. I'd make her a strawberry dauquarri, and dry her off with a white terry cloth towel
For sure I realised that a little while ago, essentially a knight in shining armour with a beautiful white stallion is the equivalent these days of a guy with an Armani suit & a Merc convertible, or similar. The armour being a modern day suit and the stallion being a modern day car.
Sadly my car here in the UK is no convertible and is based on being 'economical'. I realised that it's doing me no favours but have been stuck with the situation while other matters take precedence, the house, etc. Now that the house is near complete I could get better but that would be putting a lot of money in where the return is not so great in the UK in terms of women.
I've hired a convertible before in LA it was great fun and look good. I think one chick noticed but wrong place, wrong time sort of thing. I've heard of guys in the UK who put all there money into a flash car and will get one at whatever cost, bad finance deals, etc as they know it will get them a woman. Otherwise they won't get a woman and for them no point going to work anyway, so that's where all their money goes.
Learning Romanian to roughly the same level as Russian apparently takes half the time (600 hrs compared to 1200 hrs). Plus the Latin alphabet so easier. I looked into it and learnt a few words but then decided that it was dividing my time with learning Russian too much and having to retain new words from two languages also not ideal. Hence I decided to stick with Russian, I could have gone all out on just learning Romanian but then it would only largely be useful in Romania & Moldova. So for me that narrowed down the search area too much to justify the hours input. I decided I would rather put those hours input into learning Russian. Romania is a EU country also so a bit of a negative there. Many stayed in the UK and registered to stay after we left the EU so probably too early days for much desire for other to want in who now can't I'm guessing.
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you should research where in kishinev the Ukrainian wimmin refugees are going...
for example, in Odessa, they'd all be in a place called "moldovanka"
I'm guessing that in Kishinev the Riscani and Botanica districts probably have the most "working class" women and professional women
a lot of big apartment dormitories for workers
average woman working there gets a salary of maybe $$400/month
peak traffic hours for meeting women who are walking on major streets are work times and shopping times
best results are WHEN you figure WHERE AND WHEN most of the women shop
and you make it a point to be there THEN...
my favorite experience of stalking women who were shopping was in Kyiv
at the big outdoor market...
go on a saturday, and watch beautiful women take off their dresses and try on new dresses
in these little makeshift changing areas that usually have a big gap in the corner and this is where you position yourself "casually"
DAMN...
long legged graceful women standing in their underware...
and then...
five minutes later...
ANOTHER WOULD COME ALONG!!!
if the woman leaves empty handed
that's where you can step in
I've taken girl's like this
and "hired them as my assistant"
you could pay them $500 to $1000 per month
and give them a clothing allowance
which you spend taking them shopping
likely in Istanbul...
it is during this trip that you turn up the "intimacy dial"
for example,
you go into changing booth with her
even for bikini!!!
you stay in the same hotel room
when you take a shower, you "forget" your clothes on the bed
so after you dry off,
you come out of the bathroom naked and non-chalantly take the clothes off your bed and get dressed
if you're smart, you can DO THIS FOR REAL!!!
and not only have A MONEY MAKING BUSINESS
how can you lose, when you hire someone for $1000 per month
but you YOU CAN COMBINE IT with BJ priviliges!!!
AND...
the girl will think she's getting a pretty good deal, and is unlikely to screw it up
don't you incels see how you're just wasting your life??
you seed spillin fools!!!
tssssk!!! tssssk!!
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Romanian women are not looking to leave in the same way that Ukrainian and Russian women are. So not an efficient way to spend your time.
We have become good friends here with a young Romanian couple.
She is a 'hot' former flight attendant (actually still employed, but on extended leave it seems).
Attended their local wedding here. Then they went back to Romania over the summer for the 'big' wedding with family.
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it depends...
I've been to Prague and to Budapest, both places with REALLY GORGEOUS women
and which also have a higher standard of living than Romania
it depends more on the "dewd in question"
his age, looks, dress, net worth, social staus, etc. than the women
I speak English and German and could communicate with about half the women I met in those countries, some of who were just AMAZINGLY beautiful, almost perfect!!!
Huge diversity
hungary had this unusual skin tone that only some of the women had
like a dark tan
with high cheeck bones, green eyes, flawless skin
very "athletic" body
Czech women were lighter skinned, more blondes, but also GORGEOUS and most were German and/or English Sprechen
when I was young, I owned my little 3 bedroom house in silicon valley
never, ever had ANY problems getting a foreign woman to live with me
and coulda had MY PICK of Asian women
who wouldn't believe their good fortune of landing a white guy "in the valley"
but trying to find an asian girl with decent tits in the valley was a search that never yielded anything, they were all as flat as Kansas
Shang Hai was a different story, but these agressive asian women made me paranoid
when they realized they were having that effect on me, then they gave me alchhol and a neck massage
one showed me her photo album on her phone, which started out with normal photos
but then switched to photos of her in her underware
and then out of her underware
then she asked me "Do you want a release?"
I had NO IDEA what she meant, I thought she said"rice"
so I said "YES"
OH! MY GAWD!!!!!!
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my favorite experience of stalking women who were shopping was in Kyiv
at the big outdoor market...
go on a saturday, and watch beautiful women take off their dresses and try on new dresses
in these little makeshift changing areas that usually have a big gap in the corner and this is where you position yourself "casually"
DAMN...
long legged graceful women standing in their underware...
and then...
five minutes later...
ANOTHER WOULD COME ALONG!!!
I know what you mean Krim, when I was with Kherson girl in Kyiv I went to one of these big indoor markets it had the sort of makeshift curtain changing areas for stalls inside that you speak of. It was a little way out of the city centre by taxi must have been on a weekday as it was pretty quiet. Wasn't there to Peter Purve as it would have not gone well with Kherson girl lol and in any case no women there of note at the time.
On this trip it will likely be more direct dates as won't have the time or money for anything more elaborate, worth keeping in mind for the future though :)
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Romanian women are not looking to leave in the same way that Ukrainian and Russian women are. So not an efficient way to spend your time.
We have become good friends here with a young Romanian couple.
She is a 'hot' former flight attendant (actually still employed, but on extended leave it seems).
Attended their local wedding here. Then they went back to Romania over the summer for the 'big' wedding with family.
Generally true, since Romania joined the EU we had loads come here so any that wanted out got out. That said Romania is still one of the less wealthy EU states and a western guy could look a good proposition over there depending on if the girl digged him. I agree though Western status alone is unlikely to have the same effect as for Moldovan, Ukrainian, Russian, etc women. Hence why I chose not to put my efforts into learning Romanian.
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"Peter Purve"
OTOH, your "Purving" opportunities in Ukraine/Moldova will be 10 TIMES at least what it is in your own country, and as long as you stay with certain boundries ZERO CONSEQUENCE!!!
For example,
here's a photo of my neighbor's 18 yr old grand daughter when I was building the Rancho Del Krimster in Crimea who lived with her grandparents next door to me
after I built it, and made an in-ground concrete pool in the back, she waited until she thought we were all gone and came over for a quick skinny dip in the pool
but it was just my wife and daughters who left to go shopping and NOT me who stayed home and worked!
I heard and then saw her in the pool, but intead of being angry and confrontational
I brought her a straw berry marguerrita and a fluffy white towel
when she was coming out of the pool, I advised her to be careful of the slippery tile around the pool, and she let me dry her off vigorously with the terry cloth towel and waited awhile before getting dressed and finishing her drink...
and this went on all summer...
you see what I'm sayin...
same in Costa Rica
local naked teenagers (all 18+ of course!) of both genders would invite themselves to late night pool parties at the pool about 50 yards from the main house
if my family isn't there with me, then I can always choose that particular time for a nude night swim
and instead of being confrontational with trespassers
can be warm and welcoming
and AGAIN
no consequences for anything that goes on there...
mi casa is mi casa
if you are SMART, you can go live in a foreign country and have a LOT MORE sexual freedom and a LOT LESS paranoia than in the USA
the one thing I NEVER, NEVER worried about when I've been outside the USA for an extended period was the availability of Pooty Tang...
in asia and central America, you can exploit the "white boy fetish"
or as I prefer, let IT EXPLOIT YOU!!
a young asian dominatrix with BIG TITS is HOT!!!!
fair smooth ivory skin with taunt muscles
YOU want to be WAXED down there, and hopefully fully circumsized
and WATCH her REACTION when she checks out YOUR white boy junk!
in costa rica, I have "Patron Privilige"
the local girls who I hire sometimes to work with me, can use the outdoor shower and ONLY THEN the pool
and the shower has no cover, and the girls no bathing suit...
a buch of sweet young tanned girls playing naked in the pool...
I could never do this in the USA
but no problem in costa rica
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"Peter Purve"
OTOH, your "Purving" opportunities in Ukraine/Moldova will be 10 TIMES at least what it is in your own country, and as long as you stay with certain boundries ZERO CONSEQUENCE!!!
For example,
here's a photo of my neighbor's 18 yr old grand daughter when I was building the Rancho Del Krimster in Crimea who lived with her grandparents next door to me
after I built it, and made an in-ground concrete pool in the back, she waited until she thought we were all gone and came over for a quick skinny dip in the pool
but it was just my wife and daughters who left to go shopping and NOT me who stayed home and worked!
I heard and then saw her in the pool, but intead of being angry and confrontational
I brought her a straw berry marguerrita and a fluffy white towel
when she was coming out of the pool, I advised her to be careful of the slippery tile around the pool, and she let me dry her off vigorously with the terry cloth towel and waited awhile before getting dressed and finishing her drink...
and this went on all summer...
you see what I'm sayin...
same in Costa Rica
local naked teenagers (all 18+ of course!) of both genders would invite themselves to late night pool parties at the pool about 50 yards from the main house
if my family isn't there with me, then I can always choose that particular time for a nude night swim
and instead of being confrontational with trespassers
can be warm and welcoming
and AGAIN
no consequences for anything that goes on there...
mi casa is mi casa
if you are SMART, you can go live in a foreign country and have a LOT MORE sexual freedom and a LOT LESS paranoia than in the USA
the one thing I NEVER, NEVER worried about when I've been outside the USA for an extended period was the availability of Pooty Tang...
in asia and central America, you can exploit the "white boy fetish"
or as I prefer, let IT EXPLOIT YOU!!
a young asian dominatrix with BIG TITS is HOT!!!!
fair smooth ivory skin with taunt muscles
YOU want to be WAXED down there, and hopefully fully circumsized
and WATCH her REACTION when she checks out YOUR white boy junk!
in costa rica, I have "Patron Privilige"
the local girls who I hire sometimes to work with me, can use the outdoor shower and ONLY THEN the pool
and the shower has no cover, and the girls no bathing suit...
a buch of sweet young tanned girls playing naked in the pool...
I could never do this in the USA
but no problem in costa rica
I remember you talking of this before Krim & seeing the photo. Good times indeed :) I'm guessing the girl was too poor to afford a bikini and so had to go without. Handy you were on hand to towel her down ;D
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I went to Chisinau twice and spend a total time of more than two weeks.You could easily retrieve a teacher to learn Russian, you have to search for the local ad on internet and use google translator.
Yeah having thought this over I kind of think I see what you mean, as in I could get a tutor to teach me Russian at a far cheaper rate than in the UK ;) If time allows I may give this a try.
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point is, outside of so called "civiliized countries", your "Perv Potential" goes up ENORMOUSLY!!!
there are still "lines" that cannot be SAFELY crossed...
but compared to civilized countries, these lines are real little ones...
there's a little park near the Shanghai Ritz-Carlton...
go there in tie and jacket, take a book/nexwpaper and sit on one of the benches
the custom is for English speakers who want to practice conversation to approach you
put down your newspaper/book and greet them in Chinese, "NeeHa"
it's best to go when children are in school, and only be approached by adults instead
more than half will be women, and most young and prettyish, kinda...
if they agree to go back to the Hotel with you, 100% they're gonna expect to GET LAID
and will be disappointed and PISSED OFF if they don't
so you better be prepared to deliver....
but that's how difficult it is to get a young chinese girl naked laying on your hotel bed in Shanghai...
I honestly don't know why ya'll wanna keep pursuing an auto-erotic relationship with your right hand
when it's not that difficult to arrange the circumstances of your life so that there can be a woman who handles that for you...
AND...
cooks for you
AND...
cleans for you
so WTF?
they is so USEFUL, these wimmin
why ain't ya'll GOT AT LEAST ONE???
HUH?
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Lost 1.7KG over the last week so getting back on track on that one. Should easily get it off the weight before Chișinău trip so should look pretty trim again for it.
Learning Russian continues a pace not sure what standard I'll be by the trip but hopefully something more useful than the odd phrases that it was.
That said I've got to say Bee Farmer if you're looking in I think you're giving yourself a hard task learning a new language. I kind of hope you've thought over what I and others have been saying about Central/South Women as I really do feel with sincerity that it's an easy one that you're passing over and just giving yourself a very hard time needlessly. As said you already know the Spanish language so you're already gifted with that from the outset. If you double the time that you spent learning Spanish that is how long it will take to learn Ukrainian to roughly the same level, if you are going at a slower pace then longer, so 6 yrs +. While some girls may have a relationship with a guy with her speaking his language i.e English my thoughts are that some FSW may not take the guy seriously if he hasn't learned her native tongue (or near native) to some sort it f conversational especially if her English isn't all that good.
To me I feel you're missing out on a big bonus by knowing the Spanish language and an even bigger bonus by being a white dude by avoiding South America.
I think if a sheet were constructed with all plus & minus points it would read something like:
- For Central/South America
Knowing Spanish +50 points
Being a White +100 points
Short Flight +50 points
- For the FSU
Not really knowing much Russian/Ukrainian -50 points
For being a White +50 points
Long Flight -50 points
Etc, etc.
Point is I think you would be streets ahead in South America. I'm saying this with the hope of helping you out as you have helped me. As I said if I were in America I would choose Central/South America as the far more easily workable situation. I think if you look for a nice slimmish one you can probably work on her diet with her. Odds are down that way it's probably more down to local diet than a poor junk food diet. As a Farmer you can no doubt introduce her to good healthly food that pack less of the pounds on. Worth a go I reckon.
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But the follow-up is: How many of the people in Moldova are also conversant in Russian ?
In my years going to Chisinau, 100% of people around me and friends spoke Russian, I heard very little Romanian. In dealing with anything governmental, it was always in Romanian. Reminds me of how things were in Latvia.
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Romanian women are not looking to leave in the same way that Ukrainian and Russian women are. So not an efficient way to spend your time.
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She is a 'hot' former flight attendant (actually still employed, but on extended leave it seems).
What is with the high temperature of women from Eastern Europe???
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What is with the high temperature of women from Eastern Europe???
I think it has something to do with switching from Celsius to Fahrenheit when they move to USA.
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no, that just changes the scale you measure with, but not the actual temperature
beauty is as much in the eye of the beholder, as it is in the object being viewed
when you live in Russia for at least a year
you develop the ability that as you're out walking on a busy street
you can immediately spot westerners in the crowd
just based on suble differences in how Russian and Anglo-Saxon faces appear
just like with birds
the human species has different varieties with subtle external differences
like the western spotted warbler versus the plain colored eastern one
those subtle differences tell your brain something
in the case of a young Russian woman of child bearing age
your brain is trying to tell ya, that you should mix your genetics with this strange but sexually attractive woman's to create as much genetic diversity as possible instead of mating with local women from the same gene pool as you
when my brain told me this, I was like "WHAT"?
but then after it expained everything to me, like that this is part of an optimizing reproductive strategy through species hybridization
achieved by mixing "varieties"
so after my brain explained it all to me, I said OK!!!
and everything worked out GREAT!!!
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That said I've got to say Bee Farmer if you're looking in I think you're giving yourself a hard task learning a new language. I kind of hope you've thought over what I and others have been saying about Central/South Women
I've thought about it, and summarily dismissed your advice as being clueless idiocy and absolute nonsense. You look at things that are of miniscule value, and ignore things of most importance.
as I really do feel with sincerity that it's an easy one that you're passing over and just giving yourself a very hard time needlessly.
Who cares about how easy it is? If I wanted easy, I'd just go find a fat divorced hoe at the local bar. Easy yes, but unlikely to bring happiness.
As said you already know the Spanish language so you're already gifted with that from the outset. If you double the time that you spent learning Spanish that is how long it will take to learn Ukrainian to roughly the same level, if you are going at a slower pace then longer, so 6 yrs +. While some girls may have a relationship with a guy with her speaking his language i.e English my thoughts are that some FSW may not take the guy seriously if he hasn't learned her native tongue (or near native) to some sort it f conversational especially if her English isn't all that good.
I had 3 years of Spanish in high school. I've forgotten a lot. Yes, I could brush up on my Spanish and become conversational pretty easy, but I'm not fluent.
But at the end of the day, it's still a South American girl, and I would rather be alone than to have a South American wife. My happiness has value, and single life ain't that bad. A girl is going to have to offer a lot of value for me to give it up. I don't see a South American girl offering the value I am looking for.
To me I feel you're missing out on a big bonus by knowing the Spanish language and an even bigger bonus by being a white dude by avoiding South America.
What does being a white dude matter?
I'd have even higher appeal as a white dude if I went to sub-Saharan Africa. But once again, don't see African girls offering the value I am looking for.
Point is I think you would be streets ahead in South America. I'm saying this with the hope of helping you out as you have helped me.
Maybe you should stop thinking. You are not providing any help.
As I said if I were in America I would choose Central/South America as the far more easily workable situation.
I think you are full of BS too. Africa is a short flight for you, and MANY African girls already know English. There is massive poverty, with many black girls with a great figure who would love to get her hands on a white guy. Yet I don't see you going to Africa looking for a girl.
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with many black girls with a great figure who would love to get her hands on a white guy.
Really . . . and having to give up those large units ??
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I've thought about it, and summarily dismissed your advice as being clueless idiocy and absolute nonsense. You look at things that are of miniscule value, and ignore things of most importance.
Who cares about how easy it is? If I wanted easy, I'd just go find a fat divorced hoe at the local bar. Easy yes, but unlikely to bring happiness.
I had 3 years of Spanish in high school. I've forgotten a lot. Yes, I could brush up on my Spanish and become conversational pretty easy, but I'm not fluent.
But at the end of the day, it's still a South American girl, and I would rather be alone than to have a South American wife. My happiness has value, and single life ain't that bad. A girl is going to have to offer a lot of value for me to give it up. I don't see a South American girl offering the value I am looking for.
What does being a white dude matter?
I'd have even higher appeal as a white dude if I went to sub-Saharan Africa. But once again, don't see African girls offering the value I am looking for.
Maybe you should stop thinking. You are not providing any help.
I think you are full of BS too. Africa is a short flight for you, and MANY African girls already know English. There is massive poverty, with many black girls with a great figure who would love to get her hands on a white guy. Yet I don't see you going to Africa looking for a girl.
Myself I'm not in black women most white guys aren't it's an inbuilt thing I think, I generally don't think they look attractive due to the darker pigmentation.
Central/South Chicks though are different, many only have a slightly different skin tone to white people, they are almost white.
I don't see why you don't see 'value' there or what you mean by that Bee Farmer? Take Selena Gomez for example, she's hot, maybe not a stick thin/tall model figure but a well toned and in shape figure nonetheless. She's also been very successful in the pop music world. More importantly a nice big pair of boobers and a fine ass there - you not seeing any 'value' in that?
Tell me how many Miss World Beauty Pageants has Miss Venezuela won???
You could literally go now to Central/South America and be there in what 3-4 hour plane trip plus a bit of time travelling either end so well within a day. So this morning in America this evening in Venezuela, Brazil, etc wherever you fancy.
Instead you're contemplating a journey half the way around the world and back again to some war torn region where mental stress is high and flights are now apparently hard an expensive to come by and into Ukraine itself non - existant. Added on top of that you don't know the language so unless the girl is really into English culture in a big way and knows English near fluently it's a big barrier to overcome. ML is ok as he is a rich dude so girls dog that in a big way, he knows that, it's up to them to impress and chase him.
I just don't think you have come to your senses as to how out there those factors as I've just mentioned are weighing against you in such a venture.
These past three weeks on Dualingo I have from their emails roughly done:
Week 1: 6 hours
Week 2: 8 hours
Week 3: 8 hours
So 22 hours in all so not far off your 30 or so hours for a whole year! That's on top of a bit of Pimsleur, etc prior learning. I feel I've improved as a result but still nowhere near conversational, not as good as I need to be.
I'm not saying it can't be done not knowing Ukrainian/Russian but you've got more than one factor against you. My impression is that if the girls don't take you seriously out in the FSU at best they will move on and at worst they will see you as a fool and take you for what it's worth. You want to be seen as serious abroad whether in Costs Rica or Ukraine and a lot of that is going to be down to the language. The girl needs to see you as a serious going concern.
I just feel you may be letting old back in the day thoughts about Central/South America get in the way of what's a logical good move for you. This time of year the weather is no doubt warm in most of those parts whereas in Eastern Europe it's bitterly cold. In your shoes I sure know where the hell I would rather be.
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Really . . . and having to give up those large units ??
You have a point. My ring finger is longer than my index finger, so I forget how inadequate other guys can feel compared to the men in other countries.
You mean women care about the size of things other than a big, fat, thick wallet?
But according to http://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php men in Ukraine have a larger average size than guys in the UK. Perhaps we should be encouraging Trench to go for a girl from Thailand or the Philippines.
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Myself I'm not in black women most white guys aren't it's an inbuilt thing I think, I generally don't think they look attractive due to the darker pigmentation.
Central/South Chicks though are different, many only have a slightly different skin tone to white people, they are almost white.
All cats are gray in the dark. I don't know that it's an inbuilt thing of white guys not being into black girls because of their skin. I think it has to do with cultural and IQ differences.
I've seen some black girls that are absolutely beautiful. But I have no desire to date them.
Almost white isn't good enough for IQ. An average IQ girl from Central or South America only has an IQ of about 85-90. It's going to be really hard to find a girl with an IQ within 20 points of mine.
I don't see why you don't see 'value' there or what you mean by that Bee Farmer? Take Selena Gomez for example, she's hot, maybe not a stick thin/tall model figure but a well toned and in shape figure nonetheless. She's also been very successful in the pop music world. More importantly a nice big pair of boobers and a fine ass there - you not seeing any 'value' in that?
Selena Gomez is American, and her mom is Italian descent. Selena has been having issues with weight gain and already starting to chub up. (What's she going to look like at 40 or 45?) She admits to having mental health issues. She was raised by a single mother.
No, that's not the kind of girl that I see value in. That's the kind of girl I run from.
Tell me how many Miss World Beauty Pageants has Miss Venezuela won???
No idea. What did these Venezuelan winners look like at 40 or 45? What was their IQ?
They make sex dolls that are beautiful and very realistic. If beauty (and easy) is the only thing you care about, why not just buy a sex doll? A lot cheaper than a wife too.
You could literally go now to Central/South America and be there in what 3-4 hour plane trip plus a bit of time travelling either end so well within a day. So this morning in America this evening in Venezuela, Brazil, etc wherever you fancy.
Every trip I have made to Ukraine I arrived well within a day.
I don't fancy Venezuela, Brazil, or other Central or South American countries. So how can I be wherever I fancy?
Instead you're contemplating a journey half the way around the world and back again to some war torn region where mental stress is high and flights are now apparently hard an expensive to come by and into Ukraine itself non - existant.
It's not like I'm planning on swimming across the ocean. A few hours in a plane is not that big of a challenge. And if I can't afford a plane ticket, I can't afford the girl either.
Added on top of that you don't know the language so unless the girl is really into English culture in a big way and knows English near fluently it's a big barrier to overcome. ML is ok as he is a rich dude so girls dog that in a big way, he knows that, it's up to them to impress and chase him.
But barriers can be overcame. And overcoming obstacles can help people build a stronger bond together. So obstacles are not necessarily a bad thing.
How wealthy do I have to be before I am rich? How rich do I have to be before women start beating down my door?
If I just stuff my wallet with lots of $1 bills, is that enough to make women think I am rich? As long as I have a big, fat, thick wallet...is that enough?
I just don't think you have come to your senses as to how out there those factors as I've just mentioned are weighing against you in such a venture.
And I don't think you have come to your senses as to how the factors you have mentioned are not what I consider to be big obstacles. I consider family ties to be far larger obstacles.
These past three weeks on Dualingo I have from their emails roughly done:
Week 1: 6 hours
Week 2: 8 hours
Week 3: 8 hours
And that explains why you still haven't completed your home remodeling project, and are still in a minimum wage job. You waste significant amounts of time on things with minimal return per hour invested. You haven't learned time management.
If you spent this same amount of time on something that made you money, you might be able to afford a girl.
My impression is that if the girls don't take you seriously out in the FSU at best they will move on and at worst they will see you as a fool and take you for what it's worth.
OMG! You actually said something that is true and makes sense. You're going to give a lot of these old guys heart attacks.
You want to be seen as serious abroad whether in Costs Rica or Ukraine and a lot of that is going to be down to the language.
Absolute BS. Whether or not you can speak the language is not going to make a difference if you are serious or not about a relationship. How loyal and dependable are you? Can you provide for a family? Can you be trusted? Those are things that will factor into if you are seen as serious or not.
I just feel you may be letting old back in the day thoughts about Central/South America get in the way of what's a logical good move for you.
What are those "old back in the day thoughts about Central/South America?" I must be too young to know what they thought about Central/South America back in the day.
And don't forget that love isn't logical. Having kids isn't logical.
This time of year the weather is no doubt warm in most of those parts whereas in Eastern Europe it's bitterly cold.
If I want to go someplace warm this time of year, I just go inside the house. If it's not warm enough I just turn the heat up.
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All cats are gray in the dark. I don't know that it's an inbuilt thing of white guys not being into black girls because of their skin. I think it has to do with cultural and IQ differences.
I've seen some black girls that are absolutely beautiful. But I have no desire to date them.
Almost white isn't good enough for IQ. An average IQ girl from Central or South America only has an IQ of about 85-90. It's going to be really hard to find a girl with an IQ within 20 points of mine.
Selena Gomez is American, and her mom is Italian descent. Selena has been having issues with weight gain and already starting to chub up. (What's she going to look like at 40 or 45?) She admits to having mental health issues. She was raised by a single mother.
No, that's not the kind of girl that I see value in. That's the kind of girl I run from.
No idea. What did these Venezuelan winners look like at 40 or 45? What was their IQ?
They make sex dolls that are beautiful and very realistic. If beauty (and easy) is the only thing you care about, why not just buy a sex doll? A lot cheaper than a wife too.
Every trip I have made to Ukraine I arrived well within a day.
I don't fancy Venezuela, Brazil, or other Central or South American countries. So how can I be wherever I fancy?
It's not like I'm planning on swimming across the ocean. A few hours in a plane is not that big of a challenge. And if I can't afford a plane ticket, I can't afford the girl either.
But barriers can be overcame. And overcoming obstacles can help people build a stronger bond together. So obstacles are not necessarily a bad thing.
How wealthy do I have to be before I am rich? How rich do I have to be before women start beating down my door?
If I just stuff my wallet with lots of $1 bills, is that enough to make women think I am rich? As long as I have a big, fat, thick wallet...is that enough?
And I don't think you have come to your senses as to how the factors you have mentioned are not what I consider to be big obstacles. I consider family ties to be far larger obstacles.
And that explains why you still haven't completed your home remodeling project, and are still in a minimum wage job. You waste significant amounts of time on things with minimal return per hour invested. You haven't learned time management.
If you spent this same amount of time on something that made you money, you might be able to afford a girl.
OMG! You actually said something that is true and makes sense. You're going to give a lot of these old guys heart attacks.
Absolute BS. Whether or not you can speak the language is not going to make a difference if you are serious or not about a relationship. How loyal and dependable are you? Can you provide for a family? Can you be trusted? Those are things that will factor into if you are seen as serious or not.
What are those "old back in the day thoughts about Central/South America?" I must be too young to know what they thought about Central/South America back in the day.
And don't forget that love isn't logical. Having kids isn't logical.
If I want to go someplace warm this time of year, I just go inside the house. If it's not warm enough I just turn the heat up.
Well Selena's father is Mexican hence her surname. Her mental health issues seem to be likely genetic from her mother and probably her lupus from her father's side. Don't know if she's ever done drugs but that can kick off a whole load of sh*t which is why I don't. I'm pretty sure though that Selena is no dumb ass. She probably will get slightly larger with age as most of us do but I don't think she'll ever be huge.
You seem to have some big thing about IQ Bee Farmer, it's really not the be all and end all. Sure I know you think it needs to be within 20 points of yours or you just won't get along. There's other stuff in life though, emotional intelligence? social skills, personality, etc. Some of that stuff can be worth its weight in gold. Does any guy or girl want to put up with a crotchety old so and so? Or someone controlling or difficult to live with, etc. Some people can fall out over the least thing or about religion, politics differences etc. What I'm getting at is maybe finding someone who is easy to live with and can feel they can get along with you is all that is needed, not that I'm suggesting that is an easy find. You'll still be able to go off and do all the geeky stuff your IW is calling you to do if you can find a girl who is accepting.
Whenever I'm in conversation with a girl who is perceivably of a lower IQ out of politeness I humour her. I quickly realise that she wouldn't fathom what the her I am rattling on about on anything but basic talk/smalltalk so I think to myself, 'all I need to do it rattle on with the same basic drivel for a bit it costs me nothing and she will be content'. I'm not looking to score with her it just makes common sense to my mind to talk with her on grounds she is comfortable on. For her part she may be good with connecting with many people at a basic level so she's not necessarily a useless individual for not having high IQ.
Speaking the language is the other main matter you don't seem to value. You're hoping that all this other stuff will help you through. Sure it's relevant and it might help you through but I feel that odds on you're likely to miss out from not knowing the language well. Even if you get with a FSW for how long, about 80 Percent of FSU marriages to westerners fail. What if knowing her language helped her feel more connected to you? Back in the day there was a school of thought that you try to get the FSW to speak English in deference to respecting westerners and that might still hold sone water. I'm pretty sure though that a guy who can speak her native tongue(s) will be seen as a relationship option of the bat. Imagine the scenario:
FSW stood with a Western Guy.
She stands there speaks some okish English. Soon becomes clear he knows F all Ukrainian/Russian. So how clever does he look? In her country a little kid can speak the lingo yet this grown dufuss can't. What is her level of respect likely to be for him? If he's lucky she is more interested in other matters that you state. If he's not lucky she will think him as a bit stupid, her respect for him will go down and she may think he is easily taken. He's vulnerable in a foreign land not knowing the language, clueless as to what signage says or what anyone is saying.
She wants someone capable while he's giving off the impression he's a dead weight, a liability.
I for one am quite happy to spend a fair amount of my time learning the language dipping in & out whenever I have a few spare minutes. I don't know you're net worth but odds are you are the wealthier man than I am. However I may not be as wealthy but I do feel I'm well off enough as to interest a FSW. Connecting with her though through her language though is the bridge that really needs to be crossed. If anywhere it's where I reckon I can connect best depending on how well I can learn the language in my view.
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But according to http://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php men in Ukraine have a larger average size than guys in the UK. Perhaps we should be encouraging Trench to go for a girl from Thailand or the Philippines.
WOW, someone is actually measuring !! No one checked with me.
Also, for woman's pleasure, thickness is probably more important than length (provided length is at least of some minimum value).
And, for Cowgirl style, practically any length and width will work for the woman, as her clitoris will get plenty of stimulation.
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Joke: Woman interviewing at employment fair.
Interviewer: What has been your favorite past positions.
Woman: Cowgirl and Missionary.
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You seem to have some big thing about IQ Bee Farmer, it's really not the be all and end all. Sure I know you think it needs to be within 20 points of yours or you just won't get along.
I didn't say it has to be within 20 IQ points or we won't get along. When there is more than a 20 IQ point difference, people have a hard time relating to each other. It's not that you don't get along. It's that you are in different worlds.
My cousin and his wife adopted an autistic boy who is mentally about 6 years old, even though his body is about 25. I get along with him quite well. But we can't relate to each other.
There's other stuff in life though, emotional intelligence? social skills, personality, etc. Some of that stuff can be worth its weight in gold.
Those things don't have any weight, which means they must be worthless.
Some people can fall out over the least thing or about religion, politics differences etc.
Politics is just the expression of someone's religious/moral beliefs. Yes, these are core values, which is why they need discussed before marriage. If the differences are going to be a problem, you need to figure that out asap.
What I'm getting at is maybe finding someone who is easy to live with and can feel they can get along with you is all that is needed, not that I'm suggesting that is an easy find. You'll still be able to go off and do all the geeky stuff your IW is calling you to do if you can find a girl who is accepting.
You don't get it. When people have more than a 20 IQ point difference, they basically speak different languages. It's like how a mother feels who has been cooped up all day with little kids. She craves talking to an adult. When there is more than a 20 IQ point gap, it's like an adult trying to talk to a child.
Whenever I'm in conversation with a girl who is perceivably of a lower IQ out of politeness I humour her. I quickly realise that she wouldn't fathom what the her I am rattling on about on anything but basic talk/smalltalk so I think to myself, 'all I need to do it rattle on with the same basic drivel for a bit it costs me nothing and she will be content'.
Have you considered the possibility that she perceives you to have the lower IQ, and she politely listens to your drivel as an attempt to humor you?
For her part she may be good with connecting with many people at a basic level so she's not necessarily a useless individual for not having high IQ.
Why would you insinuate that someone is useless because they don't have an IQ as high as someone else? They can still be useful. Folks with PhD's usually have an IQ of 135+. Folks with an IQ of 100 is average IQ. They are not useless, but will struggle to relate to someone with a PhD.
Speaking the language is the other main matter you don't seem to value. You're hoping that all this other stuff will help you through. Sure it's relevant and it might help you through but I feel that odds on you're likely to miss out from not knowing the language well.
It's not that I don't value it. It's that I value it very little.
What has ML missed out on by not speaking Russian or Ukrainian?
Even if you get with a FSW for how long, about 80 Percent of FSU marriages to westerners fail.
Take that with a grain of salt though. Most Westerners marrying a FSU gal are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage, and those fail with western women at 66% and 75% respectively.
I'm pretty sure though that a guy who can speak her native tongue(s) will be seen as a relationship option of the bat.
You're wrong. FSU guys can talk to FSU women, and the FSU women don't see the FSU guys as automatically being a relationship option. For many FSU guys, women do NOT see them as an option.
Imagine the scenario:
FSW stood with a Western Guy.
She stands there speaks some okish English. Soon becomes clear he knows F all Ukrainian/Russian. So how clever does he look?
It depends on what he has accomplished in life.
Trying to base it upon how well he can speak a foreign language is like judging a fish on its ability to ride a bicycle.
What is her level of respect likely to be for him?
It depends on how he treats her, his integrity, and what he has accomplished in life.
I don't know you're net worth but odds are you are the wealthier man than I am.
Your, not you're. Grammar is a sign of intelligence. Bad grammar is a sign of lower intelligence.
Earnings correlate to IQ. People with higher IQ's tend to earn more than people with low IQ. Jobs that require brains pay better than jobs that require brawn.
Who's going to be better off at age 40? Someone born in the top 5% of wealth, or someone born in the top 5% of IQ?
Studies show that folks born with the higher IQ do better in life than folks born into money.
However I may not be as wealthy but I do feel I'm well off enough as to interest a FSW.
How wealthy do you believe a man has to be to interest a FSUW? Boethius has suggested that a man needs to make at least $100K a year to offer a FSUW the lifestyle she will be expecting.
Western guys who have married FSUW have said to expect to pay $20K out of pocket in the process of dating up to marriage.
Are you even making $20K a year yet?
Personally, I think that if a man has his house paid off, and lives in an area with a lower cost of living, if he is a good man he may be able to get an age compatible FSUW if he earns a minimum of $50K. Much less than that and it would be a big struggle to pay the costs of living and be able to afford trips back home regularly.
Connecting with her though through her language though is the bridge that really needs to be crossed.
Being able to provide for her and family ties back home are the bigger bridges that need crossed.
If anywhere it's where I reckon I can connect best depending on how well I can learn the language in my view.
If you can't provide at least a middle class lifestyle for her, with regular trips back home to see family, (and possibly financial support for her family) how well you can speak her language isn't going to matter.
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WOW, someone is actually measuring !! No one checked with me.
Also, for woman's pleasure, thickness is probably more important than length (provided length is at least of some minimum value).
And, for Cowgirl style, practically any length and width will work for the woman, as her clitoris will get plenty of stimulation.
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Joke: Woman interviewing at employment fair.
Interviewer: What has been your favorite past positions.
Woman: Cowgirl and Missionary.
For woman's pleasure, the guy better have well manicured fingernails and oral willingness.
A guy's tool is more for his own pleasure.
Everyone knows that is a joke because the girl didn't say doggy.
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when I was younger, I spent about a 10 year period of my life dating inside Raytheon and Lockheed, two REALLY large US aerospace conglomerates in southern calfornia
I did software engineers, marketing analysts, executive assistants, two lawyers, all of who were plus or minus 5 years my own age, generally within 2-3 yr...
looks wise, they were 5-6... :(
average looking with average personalities :(
none of 'em, NOT ONE, had anything "special" and many had bi-polar, OCD, borderline personality disorder issues that made doing anything other than sex with these women unpleasant
AND half had children...
none of the relationships I had with these women were gonna lead me to getting married
and back then, that was the point
it's the LAST PLACE I'D EVER WANT TO BE WITH ANY OF THOSE WOMEN!
I just wanted SEX!!! I didn't want ROMANTIC DINNERS, yadayada
much earlier, I also spent several years in Israel, going to school and working at Rafael
in Israel, I was called a "blondie" and was always pursued by both young and middle aged jewish women (many of whom I found harsh and intimidating, like the ones who were in the military) and never got past the "friends with benefits" stage and moving on when work changed
IN 1996, I made my first trip to the FSU
and took a sabbatical in Kyiv with a Sun Sparc work station
was one of the first Americans to get a high speed data link through a USAID program in Kyiv
for $200/month (what a deal for a T-1 line in Kyiv)
in kyiv, I immediately detected what I thought were just the most absolute stunningly beautiful young women EVAH!!!
I mean OH MY FREAKIN' GAWD!!!!
and what was really FREAKIN CRAZY was that women 20 years younger than me (I was 40) would make this CRAZY level of eye contact with me
AND THEN FREAKIN COME UP AND START TALKING TO ME in either broken English, or Russian/English
after this happened multiple times, I was like WTF is THIS PLACE?
I was meeting more HOT WOMEN in Kyiv, after my first week, then in any other place I'd ever been, my previous "Hot Spot" being southern manhattan in NYC on a Friday night...
I could speak simple Russian back then, and these women were just captivated when I did that and would just look at me with this half surprised/half happy look and then stared at me as I spoke (with what I've been told is a very distictive accent)...
because of the simple vocabulary I had, apparently I spoke like Peter Sellers did in English when he played the character of an idiot, whom everyone mistook as a profound genuis
and somehow, I come across to Russian women like this (WTF!! this is based on later feedback!)
whatever it was they REALLY liked it!!!
I'll "bottom line" it for ya'll
to be happy, is to NOT only have the opportunity to LOVE these beautiful women
but to also be LOVED BY them in return...
unfortunately,
for some of you little turtles
you just ain't gonna be able to flip yourselves over.
and instead...
one day, after ya get tired of the struggle
yur gonna give it up....
and just go watch porn like ya always do...
and YOU KNOW I'm RIGHT about you..
"lesser men" as Shakespeare called you
the fault is NOT in your stars
but within YOU
and if I can see it
you can bet a Russian woman can see it to!!!
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A bit of trivia for our Bee Farmer here if he doesn't already know it. In the US for the first Harry Potter book the US distributor was able to secure a name change for the book title. In the UK the first Harry Potter book was called, 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'. However the US distributor wasn't happy with this they felt much of the US audience wouldn't know what a Philosopher was not care. So the first Harry Potter book in the US was agree to be called, 'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone' instead even though a Philosopher is different to a Sorcerer. They essentially decided to dumb the title down for the US audience so they could relate and would be more likely to buy the book.
So the issue is how far does one wish to climb the academic/learning ladder until it becomes real difficult to relate to most other people. In the UK only 2 percent of the population have a PhD, the US is about the same just 2 percent of the population. Now I could go for a PhD tommorow, I got an MA about 20 years ago. However, apart from not needing an ego boost and another bit of paper I decided moreso in recent years that too much education isn't good for me and probably others also. After spending some time out of academia I've noticed that academics end up cooped up in their own little world. I realised that in the past I had spouted about a load of academic clap trap few people wanted to hear about nor cared. If I pursued academia I would end up being able to relate to people less and less apart from those in or near the 2 percent or so of the population with a PhD or similar.
If you want to boost IQ it can be done with learning:
"A recent meta-analysis of 42 data sets involving over 600,000 participants up to 63 years of age found that cognitive abilities improved by approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for every additional year of education."
So get a girl and bung her in education. However as most of the population is not near PhD level I personally don't wish to confine myself to too few a women. I realized long ago I was talking tosh people didn't want to hear and no longer do that nor want to hear it myself of others particularly. A Ukrainian girl I was messaging just before the Ukrainian War broken out was banging on about the Kievan Rus, etc all in depth history stuff. I like history sure enough but I don't want a girl who is intellectual banging on about that stuff all the time, which she was, I decided she was not for me & moved on.
So you see Bee Farmer making IQ the bee all and end all isn't necessarily a good thing. Giving up pursuit of knowledge in favour of happiness could likely be far more rewarding in itself.
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So the issue is how far does one wish to climb the academic/learning ladder until it becomes real difficult to relate to most other people.
No, that is NOT the issue. How far one advances in academia has nothing to do with their ability to relate to people.
If there is more than a 20 point IQ difference, one person starts feeling like the other is an idiot, and they treat them accordingly. This is not conducive to a successful relationship.
It can be something like balancing a checkbook. The one who can do it easily will feel frustration towards the other who struggles with what seems like a simple task. Or the TV programming they like.
Curiosity is also correlated with intelligence. If one person is curious about things, and the other just wants to watch soap operas or play candy crush all day...that affects a relationship.
I got an MA about 20 years ago.
You also claim to earn minimum wage. If so, you should give the certification back and ask for a refund.
If you want to boost IQ it can be done with learning:
"A recent meta-analysis of 42 data sets involving over 600,000 participants up to 63 years of age found that cognitive abilities improved by approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for every additional year of education."
But 1 to 5 falls in the margin for error. (and were they measuring fluid or crystal IQ?) And IQ declines over age. More years or education may delay that decline, but it doesn't increase IQ.
Adequate nutrition during childhood prevents lower IQ caused by malnutrition, but it is inaccurate to say that nutrition increases IQ.
So get a girl and bung her in education.
Why? It's not going to affect how quickly she learns, and that's what IQ is.
However as most of the population is not near PhD level I personally don't wish to confine myself to too few a women.
What if my IQ is closer to PhD level? How happy do you think I would be with a gorgeous Latina with an 85 IQ? With an 85 IQ, she'll have the mental age of a 14 year old white kid. She will have a hard time following written directions.
I realized long ago I was talking tosh people didn't want to hear and no longer do that nor want to hear it myself of others particularly.
Oh, you still talk it. You just haven't realized that you are talking far below the intelligence of others and you come across as being an idiot.
So you see Bee Farmer making IQ the bee all and end all isn't necessarily a good thing.
I'm not making IQ out to be the end all. It is just one important aspect. IQ by itself won't guarantee compatibility. But a big IQ gap does guarantee incompatibility.
If the only thing you want is an attractive sex partner, IQ doesn't matter. But for the other 99% of the time in a relationship, IQ differences do matter.
It's like financial habits - it doesn't matter during sex, but it will matter if one person blows all the money on stupid stuff and you can't pay bills.
Giving up pursuit of knowledge in favour of happiness could likely be far more rewarding in itself.
IQ is not the pursuit of knowledge. (But for intelligent people, the pursuit of knowledge does bring happiness.)
I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to recognize that I would not be happy with someone that I thought was an idiot. That has nothing to do with the level of academic education, but rather with their ability and quickness to learn.
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No, that is NOT the issue. How far one advances in academia has nothing to do with their ability to relate to people.
If there is more than a 20 point IQ difference, one person starts feeling like the other is an idiot, and they treat them accordingly. This is not conducive to a successful relationship.
It can be something like balancing a checkbook. The one who can do it easily will feel frustration towards the other who struggles with what seems like a simple task. Or the TV programming they like.
Curiosity is also correlated with intelligence. If one person is curious about things, and the other just wants to watch soap operas or play candy crush all day...that affects a relationship.
You also claim to earn minimum wage. If so, you should give the certification back and ask for a refund.
But 1 to 5 falls in the margin for error. (and were they measuring fluid or crystal IQ?) And IQ declines over age. More years or education may delay that decline, but it doesn't increase IQ.
Adequate nutrition during childhood prevents lower IQ caused by malnutrition, but it is inaccurate to say that nutrition increases IQ.
Why? It's not going to affect how quickly she learns, and that's what IQ is.
What if my IQ is closer to PhD level? How happy do you think I would be with a gorgeous Latina with an 85 IQ? With an 85 IQ, she'll have the mental age of a 14 year old white kid. She will have a hard time following written directions.
Oh, you still talk it. You just haven't realized that you are talking far below the intelligence of others and you come across as being an idiot.
I'm not making IQ out to be the end all. It is just one important aspect. IQ by itself won't guarantee compatibility. But a big IQ gap does guarantee incompatibility.
If the only thing you want is an attractive sex partner, IQ doesn't matter. But for the other 99% of the time in a relationship, IQ differences do matter.
It's like financial habits - it doesn't matter during sex, but it will matter if one person blows all the money on stupid stuff and you can't pay bills.
IQ is not the pursuit of knowledge. (But for intelligent people, the pursuit of knowledge does bring happiness.)
I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to recognize that I would not be happy with someone that I thought was an idiot. That has nothing to do with the level of academic education, but rather with their ability and quickness to learn.
Ability and quickness to learn increases the more of it you do, most stuff has a process to it, you clue in to what that process is and it's often the same or similar on repeat.
I don't know how you figure your IQ is so high Bee Farmer, don't you just farm all day, Bees, Blackberry picking, etc not exactly rocket scientist level stuff. Perhaps you are sitting a PhD or already have an MA, Undergrad degree or equivalent?
I rather fear you have a superiority complex over those from Central/South America. I doubt most of the women there are 14 year old bimbo's in learning. Maybe you might find one that shares your passion for farming, bees, etc?
Why not just get a girl for sexy times and adventures? After all your single at the moment and do whatever intellectual stuff as a single guy, why not continue that and have a girl for other activities.
Myself I choose not to push it on the IQ stakes. As you state if there is problems relating by a big gap in IQ and it's a problem then trying to max out your own IQ will cause that problem, it will put more distance between you and the girls you may be interested in otherwise.
If I were you I would put the books to one side and all of the stuff you've learnt about theory of relationships and ideas on IQ of Central/South American chicks and get down there and find out for real or at the very least go on Fdate and message a few. You might be surprised and find they are not all as dim as you lead yourself to believe. Good times may await down there :)
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Ability and quickness to learn increases the more of it you do, most stuff has a process to it, you clue in to what that process is and it's often the same or similar on repeat.
No, it doesn't. The ability to learn, and the quickness to learn actually decrease over time.
The ability to do a task you have learned to do can increase in time.
I don't know how you figure your IQ is so high Bee Farmer, don't you just farm all day, Bees, Blackberry picking, etc not exactly rocket scientist level stuff.
No, bees and blackberries are side gigs. The bees are because I enjoy it, and I have to do something with the honey so I sell it. The blackberries are a way to give back to the community. When I was a kid, we were dirt poor. I would have loved to have a way to earn money. By hiring kids to pick berries for me, it's a way to give local folks a way to earn a few extra bucks. Any profit I make doesn't affect my standard of living.
I do farmers markets selling blackberries and honey because I enjoy it.
I work a skilled technical job that puts me in the top 10th percentile of income in my state. Believe it or not, I have no college degree.
I rather fear you have a superiority complex over those from Central/South America.
No, it's a relationship incompatibility complex, and a personal preference to women with a different skin tone, hair color, and body shape in middle age.
I doubt most of the women there are 14 year old bimbo's in learning.
It depends on the country. Some countries have an average mental age even younger than that.
Why not just get a girl for sexy times and adventures?
That would be a hooker/escort. That's not the lifestyle for me.
After all your single at the moment
You're, not your. Please stop trying to show everyone how low your IQ is.
After all your single at the moment and do whatever intellectual stuff as a single guy, why not continue that and have a girl for other activities.
A hooker/escort is a good way to catch funky diseases. It's not my cup of tea.
Myself I choose not to push it on the IQ stakes.
But if you want a relationship, the girl matters too. Most girls won't be interested in you if they think you are an idiot, and they won't be happy if you treat them like they are an idiot. (Which will happen if there is a big IQ gap.)
then trying to max out your own IQ will cause that problem
How does one max out their IQ? It is what it is.
If I were you I would put the books to one side and all of the stuff you've learnt about theory of relationships and ideas on IQ of Central/South American chicks and get down there and find out for real or at the very least go on Fdate and message a few.
Have you considered the possibility that I have interacted with Latino women, and still have no interest in them?
If you like them, have at it. But understand that not everyone wants to live according to your ideology. Look at the bright side. I won't be competition for you in your search for a Latino woman.
You might be surprised and find they are not all as dim as you lead yourself to believe.
And if you went down there, you might find that the average is as dim as IQ test data suggests.
There's a reason that Mexican labor is lower skilled than US workers. And there's a reason other Central/South American countries don't have the skilled value added industries that even Mexico has.
Good times may await down there
And good times might not await me there.
And we might have different ideas on what a good time is.
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Look at the bright side. I won't be competition for you in your search for a Latino woman.
There with you our Spanish and a quick flight time you would be competition. In the FSU with your country a long way away and your limited knowledge of the language I doubt you'd be competition there ;D
You could focus on a latino bird being a nice pair of tits and ass in bed in a permanent relationship. She could do the cooking for you and make you have rather than half some FSU chick waffling on about pointless intellectual info waffle.
Do you know some FSU women won't entertain the thought of getting with a US guy due to the distance?
If you're really set against a Latino then so be it, don't say I didn't warn you ;)
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Not an expert here, but I think you are totally wrong.
I think there are more native genes present in that population than European genes.
I saw a fair amount of college students up here from Central America.
Not a one of them looked at all European.
Yeah, I agree. Seems there was a considerable amount of indigibangin' going on at some point. Or, the Euro-Spanish culture was simply absorbed and propagated lock, stock, and barrel. Skin tones and noses, Watson...
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There with you our Spanish and a quick flight time you would be competition.
A Masters degree and you can't even write a coherent sentence? That's sure going to impress the ladies.
In the FSU with your country a long way away and your limited knowledge of the language I doubt you'd be competition there ;D
Right now, the only way you'd consider me competition is if you were pursuing the lady I am getting to know. But considering that she wouldn't give you the time of day, I'm not too worried.
You could focus on a latino bird being a nice pair of tits and ass in bed in a permanent relationship.
How? I don't consider a Latina to be relationship material for me.
I like nice T&A as much as the next guy, but I want more than that. So why would I settle for a Latina (that I know I wouldn't be happy with) when I could go for a girl with great T&A, and sexy pale white skin, a pleasant personality, and plenty of brains?
She could do the cooking for you and make you have rather than half some FSU chick waffling on about pointless intellectual info waffle.
There you go again with your incoherent ramblings.
Do you know some FSU women won't entertain the thought of getting with a US guy due to the distance?
Yes, I knew that. Did you know that some FSU women WILL consider an American guy, despite the distance?
And I suspect that within a few years, an American guy will have to beat them off with a stick because there will be so many trying to get their claws in him, simply because he is an American.
If you're really set against a Latino then so be it, don't say I didn't warn you
I won't. They are not my cup of tea.
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Bee Farmer, while I understand your position, please take some advice from an old crusty member.Look for ways for her to join you. Yes she can not just og AWOL from an army position. But that does not mean she is as if in jail. Question is, is she really interested in looking for a solution, or are other things more important to her right now. It is up to you to figure that out.
But one thing is certain. If all you do is sit and wait for her to give the signal, there is a high chance you will eventually lose her. Maybe to that officer that is such a hero, maybe to that other foreigner who did figure out a way for her to leave her country. You are not the only guy in the world, and as much as you may have chemistry, sometimes that is not enough.So inform yourself on her situation, and tryo to find suggestions on how she could be free of her current obligations. That will show you care and really waant her to be with you.
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ya'll are doing it WRONG!
the first mistake ya'll make is to "COMPARTMENTALIZE" your life!
in one little tiny box, you got your your dumb ass job you live off of
and in an even TINIER BOX you got "THE PUSUIT OF POOTY-TANG"
that box is so damned empty it meets the definition of a vacuum
your dumb ass job doesn't take much of your brain to do
just your time and sanity
what if you had a "job" where you HAD to use your brain to it's FULLEST
and worked for YOURSELF
and in exchange for all this mental effort
made a shXt load of money
and were freaking SURROUNDED by POOTY-TANG
and you couldn't get rid of them, even if you tried to
my point, why pursue this compartmentalized life you're living
one interferes with the other
your job, is your ultimate cock blocker
along with your lack of imagination and daring
the doors of perception are closed to you
and therefor
so is everything that lies beyond it
PS
there is enough Russian Platinum in this photo to buy a small house
earned this myself, and don't need to fill out a W-2 or 1040
cast it into jewelry and you earn 3X the raw price of Platinum
so that'd be enough to buy a small McMansion in Texas
it sells fast...
so, all of you big strong fellers with such big strong bulging frontal lobe IQs
whay are ya'll living like village idiots?
perception = reality?
it's often the case, that there are posters with low expertise or experience who tend to overestimate their own ability or knowledge and then announce it to the readers here on RWD!
it is a fault of mine, that I enjoy enjoy teasing them
I don't do this because I enjoy inflicting pain on others (although I don't mind it)
I do it, to provoke them
not against me
but against themselves
agains their own nature
by showing it to them
you see, I was once like them
but along time ago
I had something like "a spiritual revelation"
and it changed my life
and I became a new person
someone who did not work as a paid slave to some master who gave him food
but someone who went out and bagged the food by himself and sold it to the master and then took the prettiest of the master's slave girls as his woman
THIS is how a man was MEANT to live
and not as a slave, living hand to mouth
kept poor and ignorant
to better serve your master's needs
Slave!
Free Yourself from the bondage
from the leash society has placed on you
let the wild thing inside you free
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ya'll are doing it WRONG!
the first mistake ya'll make is to "COMPARTMENTALIZE" your life!
in one little tiny box, you got your your dumb ass job you live off of
and in an even TINIER BOX you got "THE PUSUIT OF POOTY-TANG"
that box is so damned empty it meets the definition of a vacuum
your dumb ass job doesn't take much of your brain to do
just your time and sanity
what if you had a "job" where you HAD to use your brain to it's FULLEST
and worked for YOURSELF
and in exchange for all this mental effort
made a shXt load of money
and were freaking SURROUNDED by POOTY-TANG
and you couldn't get rid of them, even if you tried to
my point, why pursue this compartmentalized life you're living
one interferes with the other
your job, is your ultimate cock blocker
along with your lack of imagination and daring
the doors of perception are closed to you
and therefor
so is everything that lies beyond it
PS
there is enough Russian Platinum in this photo to buy a small house
earned this myself, and don't need to fill out a W-2 or 1040
cast it into jewelry and you earn 3X the raw price of Platinum
so that'd be enough to buy a small McMansion in Texas
it sells fast...
so, all of you big strong fellers with such big strong bulging frontal lobe IQs
whay are ya'll living like village idiots?
perception = reality?
it's often the case, that there are posters with low expertise or experience who tend to overestimate their own ability or knowledge and then announce it to the readers here on RWD!
it is a fault of mine, that I enjoy enjoy teasing them
I don't do this because I enjoy inflicting pain on others (although I don't mind it)
I do it, to provoke them
not against me
but against themselves
agains their own nature
by showing it to them
you see, I was once like them
but along time ago
I had something like "a spiritual revelation"
and it changed my life
and I became a new person
someone who did not work as a paid slave to some master who gave him food
but someone who went out and bagged the food by himself and sold it to the master and then took the prettiest of the master's slave girls as his woman
THIS is how a man was MEANT to live
and not as a slave, living hand to mouth
kept poor and ignorant
to better serve your master's needs
Slave!
Free Yourself from the bondage
from the leash society has placed on you
let the wild thing inside you free
Bang on Krim, I too realised not so long ago that my job was ultimately my main problem. Sure in the short term it's necessary to pay for this & that in lieu of anything better or it's the dole and an even worse situation, potentially.
If I want time to go see a girl I have to put in for holiday leave with a job. Here in the UK we tend not to be too bad of for holiday leave we get 5.6 weeks per year guaranteed minimum by law for all job for a full week or pro rata. I understand in the US it can be a lot tighter with an average of around 10 days holiday per year to our 28 days for a full time job and in the US holiday leave is not guaranteed. No doubt some US employers offer more holiday than the 10 days but I'm guessing in general we're better of on that front. So a big cock blocker to US guys and a smaller cock blocker to US UK/EU guys, though a cock blocker all the same. Anyhow point being is that holiday leave only lasts so long in either case then it's back to being chained up at work which is of course far away from the FSU and hence being cock blocked from being there.
Hence why for me why the house conversion is so necessary to get money in for lodgers so I can chuck my job in & move onto finding other forms of independent income for myself. Main thing is it will free me from my job and allow me the time to be over there relatively unchained to having to go back for a job commitment.
Once a world other that that of being at my job is available like you say Krim perception of what else is possible comes into light.
In contrast some people are like, 'my job is this, and my job that' etc, all their focus is to their job you can just tell it and it's become tunnel vision to them. I see it in people at work even if they are not all that content with their job it's become all they have come to know and they can't see anything other. The reality is people are tied up in slavery to their jobs even the few who quite like their job. However even a business too has to be careful of that it's not the type of business where you're tied to it or it dies the moment you're away in that case such a business is like a mill stone around the neck. Independent passive income that can support you and allow you to not present most of the time is best I think. Not always as easily said as done but the thing to aim for I reckon.
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Bee Farmer, while I understand your position, please take some advice from an old crusty member.Look for ways for her to join you. Yes she can not just og AWOL from an army position. But that does not mean she is as if in jail. Question is, is she really interested in looking for a solution, or are other things more important to her right now. It is up to you to figure that out.
But one thing is certain. If all you do is sit and wait for her to give the signal, there is a high chance you will eventually lose her. Maybe to that officer that is such a hero, maybe to that other foreigner who did figure out a way for her to leave her country. You are not the only guy in the world, and as much as you may have chemistry, sometimes that is not enough.So inform yourself on her situation, and tryo to find suggestions on how she could be free of her current obligations. That will show you care and really waant her to be with you.
We have had that discussion. Right now doing her patriotic duty is what is most important to her. She has not even visited her parents/sisters/niece/nephew since before the invasion, and she adores them. Her mom recently had a tumor removed, and it is killing the girl because she can't be there for her mom.
She has a strong sense of responsibility. Right now, she has no interest in leaving the country.
We're both ok with how things are between us. We both realize that we aren't living our lives to satisfy how other people think we should do things. We personally have to live with the decisions we make. We decide what is best for us.
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We have had that discussion. Right now doing her patriotic duty is what is most important to her. She has not even visited her parents/sisters/niece/nephew since before the invasion, and she adores them. Her mom recently had a tumor removed, and it is killing the girl because she can't be there for her mom.
She has a strong sense of responsibility. Right now, she has no interest in leaving the country.
We're both ok with how things are between us. We both realize that we aren't living our lives to satisfy how other people think we should do things. We personally have to live with the decisions we make. We decide what is best for us.
And have you decided that holding out for her is really best for you? You have no relationship with her at the moment, you are not with her. It's likely going to be years before she can leave her home country (when the war is over). There are a million women out there you could go and get a relationship with today, why sit it out for years tapping away on your keyboard to her?
From my messaging FSW what I tend to notice is that many will agree/go along with whatever you say. Talk is cheap out there, to my mind this is just more talk. Message other women and they will talk also but some may be more willing to get in to a relationship with you in the here & now.
I could ask you to post her profile up here or message it to me and see if I or any other guy can take her. You've helped me out Bee Farmer so I won't ask that. But what I will say is that you're staking years of your life on one woman. Adding years onto your age in this search doesn't tend to be beneficial when you get to put ages. Most women want a going concern they don't want to look after some old dude who's falling apart on them.
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"We both realize that we aren't living our lives to satisfy how other people think we should do things"
oh HOW NOBLE!
such willingness to self-sacrifice
the heart knows no boundaries
well Wilbur...
what happens to your future choices as more and more sand drips out of the bottom of your hourglass?
do they get better, or worse?
so in a game with a DECREASING probability of future success
why would you DELIBERATLY invoke a strategy that involves DELAYING your probability of succeeding at the game?
oh wait...
I get it, this is like one of them "imaginary girl friends"
BeeFarmer and the Really Realy Totally REAL Ukrainian Soldier Girl
sigh...
I guess we should all just "play along"
fine...
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And have you decided that holding out for her is really best for you?
What's best for ANY guy is staying single. It's not best for them to accept responsibility for someone else too.
There are a million women out there you could go and get a relationship with today,
But are they a relationship worth having? I can assure you, there are not a million women on earth that I would be willing to have a relationship with.
why sit it out for years tapping away on your keyboard to her?
Because she'd be worth it.
I have a long list of deal breakers. I am VERY picky. I would rather be a bachelor my whole life, than to settle for a girl who wasn't what I wanted.
I have a good life. I make good money. I am very set in my ways. For me to give up some of my independence and freedom and accept responsibility for a lady, she would have to be exceptionally amazing. I can count on one hand the women I have gotten to know who meet my minimum standards for me to consider having a relationship with.
The girl I am talking to, is one of the few. So far, things are progressing sufficient to meet my expectations. I would have to be an absolute idiot to walk away from what I have in the hopes of finding another unicorn. (ie, unicorns don't exist)
Message other women and they will talk also but some may be more willing to get in to a relationship with you in the here & now.
It is not my goal to get in a relationship just for the sake of being in a relationship. That's what desperate guys do.
I'll tell you a little (not so secret) secret. If a guy is never married, no kids, doesn't drink, do drugs, or use tobacco, normal weight, (not overweight/fat) no tattoos, no debt, and earns anywhere near 6 figures - he will have no problem finding women to have a relationship with.
There's a lot of women willing to have a relationship with a guy if he just has a job and a car.
I could ask you to post her profile up here or message it to me and see if I or any other guy can take her.
To the best of my knowledge, she hasn't had a dating profile in a number of years.
But what I will say is that you're staking years of your life on one woman.
I'm the only one who gets to live my life, and I'm the only one who gets to have any say in deciding if this girl is worth it.
Adding years onto your age in this search doesn't tend to be beneficial when you get to put ages.
Perhaps if you are desperately searching. I'm not desperate. Getting married - I could take it or leave it.
I believe if you find the right one, there is nothing better. And if you find the wrong one, there is nothing worse. And I also believe that never marrying is a whole lot better than marrying the wrong one. Be very, very cautious. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
Most women want a going concern they don't want to look after some old dude who's falling apart on them.
But I'm not interested in most women. And I suspect I have a few more years on me before I turn into an old dude who is falling apart.
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There's a lot of women willing to have a relationship with a guy if he just has a job and a car.
Reminds me of movie or tv show I saw several years ago.
It was set in time period in which to take welfare was very stigmatized, unlike now when it is considered a right.
So back then, welfare workers frequently came into homes unannounced and looked around, including in refrigerator, to get an idea what the welfare money was being spent on.
So the welfare worker saw evidence that a man had been in the house, and saw fast food wrappers and beer in refrigerator.
She says to resident: So you give it (sex) up for a hamburger and a beer ?
Resident: How much to you generally get ?
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Many long term jobless I've noticed in the past always end up making excuses for why they can't do a job, i.e too early start, can't get the kids to school, appointments, etc, etc. That I fear is the problem with Bee Farmer he's all to ready to accept roadblocks, reasons why something can't be done. Nothing will ever happen that way he needs to set his reasons aside and make progress. Either with this girl or looking around for another that will meet his criteria however extensive that may be.
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"What's best for ANY guy is staying single. It's not best for them to accept responsibility for someone else too."
the problem with you incels (besides lack of POOTY TANG!!!)
is the one personality trait that you ALL have in common...
like water flowing down a hill and electrons flowing down a copper wire
you ALL seek the path of LEAST RESISTANCE!
you do it in how you live your life
where you live, what kind of work you do
all rotates around you living in your own safe little comfort zone as your priority
and since you live in a geographically challenging place
that has a low probability of meeting women
YOU DON'T MEET MANY!!! well "DUH"!
as a result, you have very little sexual experience "WITH WOMEN"
sounds about right to me
which means....
an overwhelming amount of your "past sexual gratification" and almost certainly the same amount of all future gratication
as measured by "number of climaxes per method"
would indicate something like 99.9999+++ percent of that number
was, and will be, derived from the relationship you have with your RIGHT HAND!!!!
(unless you are LEFT HANDED!)
and you're thinkin, "AHHH, it's not SO BAD!" cuz I IMAGINE it's with a woman, when I do it
REALLY?
someone your age whose ONLY OPTION for "getting off" is with a jar of hand lotion, and a couple of paper towels...
and THAT'S NOT SOOO BAD!!!
WTF?
and you THINK you're a REAAAAALLLLL SMART guy right?
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"What's best for ANY guy is staying single. It's not best for them to accept responsibility for someone else too."
the problem with you incels (besides lack of POOTY TANG!!!)
is the one personality trait that you ALL have in common...
like water flowing down a hill and electrons flowing down a copper wire
you ALL seek the path of LEAST RESISTANCE!
you do it in how you live your life
where you live, what kind of work you do
all rotates around you living in your own safe little comfort zone as your priority
and since you live in a geographically challenging place
that has a low probability of meeting women
YOU DON'T MEET MANY!!! well "DUH"!
as a result, you have very little sexual experience "WITH WOMEN"
There is definitely that, for where I live it's not so much there isn't women, in theory there is, but that they are either not particularly interested in any relationship (not talking lesbians here) or they are low quality women you probably wouldn't want to date. That essentially equates to 'there being no women'. Many women have chosen the career path and once they get on that one it changes their whole outlook and attitude so they are just not really interested in men. It often start of with uni and - going there for the course not for guys, then that follows through into their career and competing against the guys for the job, then for promotion, then the general career progression obsession. Their whole attitude towards dating, what they are looking for and guys changes as a result so much so that they aren't really women that can be dated easily if they really want to do much anyway.
The poor quality women, the overweight, the ugly, the dumbest women, drug problems, mental health problems, the single mothers who aren't hot, etc That all kind of speaks for itself. Sure a relationship might be had with some of them that lasts but it depends what one wants and the life they want. Some of them you've got to be real careful of though if course they could ruin your life and make it worse than it is today.
But yeah, so many guys complain in the UK about not being able to find a decent woman but like you say Krim they're really complaining about being in the wrong place (country) when the smart thing to do is be in the right country. Some I think just think the situation is the same anywhere I did years ago as I knew nothing else. Time over again though I wished I had realised that a lot sooner and gotten moving on it all a lot sooner. Bee Farmer here is willing to sit and waste more years on some situation going nowhere.
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Bee Farmer do you realise you've probably done more time on Duolingo than you thought. You said you spent 3-4 minutes day on it. I thought ok say 5 minutes on average so it worked out to about 30 hours for the year. However I'm around 300 words or so now and have done around that 30 hours. Having stated you're around 600 words then I'm guessing that will be about double of my time so about 60 hours you will have spent learning Ukrainian for the year. So you'll likely have spent an average of 10 minutes a day most days on Duolingo I reckon.
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Bee Farmer's "girlfriend" is a "virtual girlfriend"
and NOT a REAL GIRL!!!
it's just another form of porn that Bee Farmer discovered, after working his way up from old "National Geographics" featuring bare bosomed native girls
Bee Farmer uses his virtual girlfriend, the same way young single homely looking Chinese guys were using theirs, as a visual aid to get their imaginations all fired up for another round of "seed spillin"
just like in video games, "players" gotta maintain a state "of the suspension of reality" and pretend THIS is a REAL GIRL!!!
Ecce Homo
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We have had that discussion. Right now doing her patriotic duty is what is most important to her. She has not even visited her parents/sisters/niece/nephew since before the invasion, and she adores them. Her mom recently had a tumor removed, and it is killing the girl because she can't be there for her mom.
She has a strong sense of responsibility. Right now, she has no interest in leaving the country.
We're both ok with how things are between us. We both realize that we aren't living our lives to satisfy how other people think we should do things. We personally have to live with the decisions we make. We decide what is best for us.
If her country is more important than what is supposed to become her husband, are you ready to be always put behind other things? Once the war is done, it will be her mother needing help, her dog feeling lonely and so on, until finally there i no other excuse to find and she admits her life will not be shared with you.And she will blame you for not being a man, as a man would have been able to get her full attention.I know, it is harsh, but I am afraid that is the reality.
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"old guys ..."
really?
do you mean guys with long term marriages to FSU women and who've had children with them, and who have also had the privilige to see these children grow up and get married as well?
vrs. a guy with a lotta credit card charges for hand lotion and facial tissue (the real soft kind I bet, you PERVERT!)
Bee Farmer's Horniness Problem
a dilemma in search of a "solution"
1. National Geographic
2. Playboy
3. Pornhub
4. Virtual Ukrainian Soldier Girl
5. ??
what do these ALL have in common?
They are ALL HAND LOTION DEPENDENT forms of "auto-eroticism"!
The ONLY kind of sex, Bee Farmer enjoys or has EVER experienced (not counting family members!)
Well, I'm afraid, that's ALL we have time for today
I look forward to our next meeting
Cherrio!
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"old guys ..."
really?
do you mean guys with long term marriages to FSU women and who've had children with them, and who have also had the privilige to see these children grow up and get married as well?
vrs. a guy with a lotta credit card charges for hand lotion and facial tissue (the real soft kind I bet, you PERVERT!)
Bee Farmer's Horniness Problem
a dilemma in search of a "solution"
1. National Geographic
2. Playboy
3. Pornhub
4. Virtual Ukrainian Soldier Girl
5. ??
what do these ALL have in common?
They are ALL HAND LOTION DEPENDENT forms of "auto-eroticism"!
The ONLY kind of sex, Bee Farmer enjoys or has EVER experienced (not counting family members!)
Well, I'm afraid, that's ALL we have time for today
I look forward to our next meeting
Cherrio!
krimster ... your point has been made, and made again. No further need for the graphic sarcasm.
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If her country is more important than what is supposed to become her husband, are you ready to be always put behind other things? Once the war is done, it will be her mother needing help, her dog feeling lonely and so on, until finally there i no other excuse to find and she admits her life will not be shared with you.And she will blame you for not being a man, as a man would have been able to get her full attention.I know, it is harsh, but I am afraid that is the reality.
Absolutely A1 Shadow :clapping: Bee Farmer could well find himself several years down the track and that sort of stuff happen. He'll then likely feel pretty miffed that she's spent years of his life waste by being led on. I'm not saying she would do such on purpose but that is how in effect it could very likely play out.
Remembering back to the first girl I met in Kyiv from Mariupol. Well after our week away together there we were discussing further possibilities of meet up. She said it would have to be soon and was angling for a meet up in Turkey (guess who would be paying ::) she didn't ask specifically but of course she didn't have the money). Anyhow there was not any romance during our Kyiv visit, we got on well and I was unaccustomed to FSW and their dating culture with only a vague idea of the basics. I kind of felt she was holding back and/or a lack of chemistry so wasn't keen on paying to go on holiday with her. Mariupol at that time was near the front line so a no go for newbies like me really. Anyhow the main point is she told me that basically there was the next month or two to meet up because her father was retiring and as an only child she would need to work more hours to support him & her mother (who didn't work).
So that's the kind of scenario that can crop up. Whether it's bs or not who knows but I agree with you 100 percent Shadow that there's always likely to be something if ventured down that path to start with.
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ok, but just ONE more piece of GRAPHIC SARCASTIC humor!!
what do you call an American Incel?
A Yankee!!
LOL!!
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ok, but just ONE more piece of GRAPHIC SARCASTIC humor!!
what do you call an American Incel?
A Yankee!!
LOL!!
Now that is a pretty good one Krim :ROFL:
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Oh, you still talk it. You just haven't realized that you are talking far below the intelligence of others and you come across as being an idiot.
Now that’s funny.
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my dad heard all these back in the war!!!
"over-paid, over-sexed and over-here!"
he still ended up marrying a British woman!!
bad part of having an Englisski mother, English people are forced to eat the most bland and boring food imaginable - Thanks MOM!
this made me TOUGH, so I had NO PROBLEM eating military rations as a kid
cuz it was BETTER than the English cooking I ate (except for Yorkshire pudding) back at home
then give your 4-pack of cigs in the MRE (back then we called them K-Rations, to someone in your "crew"
good times...
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"Now that’s funny."
yeah Bruv, but the joke's on YOU
and I'm the only one laughing
LOL!!
Johny me lad,
do ya n'think laddie, that this MAY be the reason that JEEZUS implored his followers
NOT to JUDGE OTHERS...
fer the sake, of NOT being judged themselves by others
in some kinda reciprocity
funny, how the world seems to try to seek out an equilibrium at some level between opposites
ergo, I, offer NO JUDGMENT of you
only observations
John Gaunt "back in the day"
was a "Mod"
and he wore these WEIRD CLOTHES
that today, would look totally GAY (not that there's ANYTHNG wrong with that)
and then when you saw the "hair style"
fer sure, you'd get that impression!!!
nahhh, don wanna hear how you wuz a big rocker back in the day
Dewd, when I was 12 I went to see Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention in Baltimore right after the biggest race riot in the city's history
you have no idea what it means to be a ROCKER!
(Krimster makes the sign of the DEVIL with his right hand)
does an about face
and disappears into a puff of smoke....
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"Now that’s funny."
yeah Bruv, but the joke's on YOU
and I'm the only one laughing
LOL!!
Johny me lad,
do ya n'think laddie, that this MAY be the reason that JEEZUS implored his followers
NOT to JUDGE OTHERS...
fer the sake, of NOT being judged themselves by others
in some kinda reciprocity
funny, how the world seems to try to seek out an equilibrium at some level between opposites
ergo, I, offer NO JUDGMENT of you
only observations
John Gaunt "back in the day"
was a "Mod"
and he wore these WEIRD CLOTHES
that today, would look totally GAY (not that there's ANYTHNG wrong with that)
and then when you saw the "hair style"
fer sure, you'd get that impression!!!
nahhh, don wanna hear how you wuz a big rocker back in the day
Dewd, when I was 12 I went to see Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention in Baltimore right after the biggest race riot in the city's history
you have no idea what it means to be a ROCKER!
(Krimster makes the sign of the DEVIL with his right hand)
does an about face
and disappears into a puff of smoke....
Are you off your meds today? Or escape the loonie bin?
Some serious screws loose here.
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"Some serious screws loose here"
Nuts Bolts AND SCREWS...
but thanks for the helpful reminder about "my meds"
hmmmm.... medicine..... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Johannes
have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?
NO, then have you EVER seen a 6'1" tall Ukrainian woman be attacked by seagulls in Texas in broad daylight?
well, check this out...
crazy?
crazy freaking rich! (notice wife's Rolex?)
so...
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If her country is more important than what is supposed to become her husband, are you ready to be always put behind other things?
We're not engaged yet. It seems really selfish to think that a lady should make a guy the most important priority in her life, while they are still in the dating phase.
Once the war is done, it will be her mother needing help,
And what's wrong with that?
I know many families where the in-laws live in a small house behind the regular house. Heck, I work with a guy who is 65 - his mother in-law has lived in a house trailer behind his house for many years.
You don't just marry a girl - you marry her family too. Which is one of the reasons that marriage is not something to be rushed into.
until finally there i no other excuse to find and she admits her life will not be shared with you.
It sure sounds like you are projecting your own experiences.
A man should find a way to integrate his life into the lady's life. It's unreasonable to think that a lady should do all the adjustments so she can conform to your life.
And she will blame you for not being a man, as a man would have been able to get her full attention.
Every girl is different.
I have a fairly high level of her current attention.
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That I fear is the problem with Bee Farmer he's all to ready to accept roadblocks, reasons why something can't be done. Nothing will ever happen that way he needs to set his reasons aside and make progress. Either with this girl or looking around for another that will meet his criteria however extensive that may be.
Why are you worrying about my involvement with a girl? Seriously, that's bizarre.
Why do you suggest that I am not making progress? Could it be that my goals are not the same as your goals?
I assure you that I am making progress. You do realize that the stronger a friendship you can build while getting to know her, the better your chances of a successful long-term relationship, right? Oh wait - sex tourists forget about emotional closeness.
Bee Farmer do you realise you've probably done more time on Duolingo than you thought.
I don't know. I don't care. And I have no clue why anyone would even think about something so trivial and worthless. I usually do one lesson a day. It's usually 3 or 4 minutes. Sometimes I do it in 2 minutes. Sometimes it's 5 minutes. And occasionally I do a couple lessons in one day. I only spend a short time. That is the only thing that matters. The exact time doesn't.
He'll then likely feel pretty miffed that she's spent years of his life waste by being led on.
Americans don't get miffed.
I'm not being led on. I'm not leading her on. We both have our eyes wide open. (Which is one of the reasons we are progressing so slowly. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.)
Some guys are like a kid in a candy store. They look around and can't make a decision. The next girl is always better. And they spend years never able to pick one girl, and put their efforts into her.
Other guys are sex tourists trying to buy a girl's affection. She may even marry him. And as time goes on, it turns into an open relationship, and they get in bed with other partners. This is a union of convenience, and not a union of love and commitment.
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It sure sounds like you are projecting your own experiences.
Not directly, but the experience of being around here for nearly 20 years.
I hope your story will be different, but it would be the one exception.
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BeeFarmer,
it's pretty obvious TO THE REST OF US....
that you have NO EXPERIENCE with ANY of this....
and as a result, have NO IDEA
that without exception, all your proclamations are pure rubbish, devoid of even a scintilla of REALITY....
and this RUBBISH is the CORE of your life's plan?
your phone's ringing, I think you have Dunning Kreuger on line two...
one of your MANY problems Bee Farmer, is that because you live in a Hill Billy Hamlet, you end up getting the impression that someone like you is part of the local intelligentsia...
however, switch to a different venue, and you wouldn't even rank "village idiot"
is all I'm sayin....
and deep down
is probably the main reason as to "why" you live where you do other than following the path of least resistance, which is what led you there...
AMIRIGHT?
BeeFarmer,
you're like a bomb-maker blown up by his own bomb...
bottom line: you've NEVER HAD the experince of being happy with a woman
and as a result...
you have NO IDEA HOW to be happy with a woman...
and THESE TWO FACTS MIGHT BE RELATED!
HELLO?? ANYBODY HOME???
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Not directly, but the experience of being around here for nearly 20 years.
I hope your story will be different, but it would be the one exception.
I'm already an exception around here.
I've never married, and have no kids. I'm not interested in a girl who has ever been married, or has kids.
I'm not in a rush to try to get married as quickly as possible. I wouldn't consider marrying a local girl without first dating 2-3 years. And that's a lot of face to face time. I wouldn't consider marrying a foreign girl that I hadn't dated at least 2-3 years too. (and probably longer)
I'm past the age for kids, (35) and I'm not looking for a girl who is young enough to still want kids.
There's no guarantee a relationship will work out, but it's not that difficult to avoid a lot of the common pitfalls.
I think the cost of air travel in the future is a wild card. It looks like AirBus is exiting the aviation business, and that just leaves Boeing. I also anticipate a big drop in demand for air travel, so maybe it will balance itself out.
But if everyone goes back to crossing the Atlantic by boat, if a one-way trip takes 1-2 weeks, that puts a big damper on international travel.
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"I'm past the age for kids, (35) and I'm not looking for a girl who is young enough to still want kids. "
more rubbish, I was 40+, when my wife, who is 16 yr younger, first gave birth to two daughters
read some basic human reproductive biology....
reproductive wise, it doesn't matter for men, like it does for women
women have a fixed number of eggs and don't create new ones
men OTOH, are constantly regenerating sperm cells
A subject, that I am sure you are "intimately" familiar with....
cuz dewd, face it, if it weren't for the regeneration, you woulda RUN OUT a LONG TIME AGO!
BTW, 35 yr olds, are the group who want kids THE MOST!!!
because their biological hourglass is almost EMPTY
which means most want to find a sponsor and a "baby daddy" ASAP before their looks are completely gone and GAME OVER!!!
so, to meet your requirement of "not wanting children" due no doubt to the high level of family inbreeding leading to genetic abnormalities that you don't want to pass on to "future generations" so they aren't forced to live a life of misery like you did (which I find comendable!)
my advice is to stick to the 40+ yr olds....
BUT...
but many of these women are gonna be just as "squirrely" as American ones of that age!
so what's the point?
I mean seriously, did you ever experience some 20+ yr old Ukrainian eye candy sans clothing?
of COURSE YOU HAVEN'T
a perfect female hard body with flawless, soft skin
and you don't wanna rest your head between two soft pillows as you sleep like I do, EVERY NIGHT
with someone who could've rated a Playboy centerfold?
of course NOT, why would you want that?
GEZZZ!!! what's wrong with me, I'm CRAZY, RIGHT?
WEEEEE!!! SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!
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We're not engaged yet. It seems really selfish to think that a lady should make a guy the most important priority in her life, while they are still in the dating phase.
FSW if they are serious apparently do, even I know that ;)
Bee Farmer I had no idea you were just 35, I thought you were nearer my age, about ten years older. One thing I didn't catch onto sooner when in my teens, twenties or thirties was that older people bring with them a lot of knowledge rooted in experience. Shadow & Krim are heavy in that experience that has given them expert knowledge of how dating works in the FSU. Dating in the FSU isn't like dating in the west, it might seem like it at face value but there are their own conventions going on. What I'm saying is just be open to hearing what Shadow & Krim are saying without dismissing it because it doesn't agree with your own judgements that you seem to have already set in stone.
The point being is that they can save you years on your search potentially and give you a better idea of the FSU dating scene as they are doing here. A couple of trips or so and some video chat doesn't really amount to anywhere near what they have gleaned over the years.
At 35 you have a bit of time to really get to grips with the scene, but if you while away the time it will be time you wished you got going sooner and knew then (now) what you may discover in the future.
I'm not sure why you think you are too old for children, not at all, especially if you go for a girl some years younger than you if you're concerned about how long you might go on for odds are there will be the woman for the children. It's kind of a shame you seem to be writing your life off already and settling for an old man's life decades older than your years. You're even going for an older woman of 39, most guys go for a younger woman out in the FSU not older!
At your age you could easily get a woman late twenties to 35 years old and it be a comfortable fit. In theory those women are looking for men of your age to get with as they believe a guy around your age more likely has the means to provide whereas younger men often don't. Women who are in their late thirties say about 38+ as I have found tend to be questionable if they want children or are just after a pension plan. Many I believe at that age even if they in theory can still have children have given up on the idea (a little younger early thirties to 37 ish many may be thirsty for it) but older I think many are more bothered about their career and/or guy to get with where they benefit from him supporting her without her having to have kids in return. To my mind it's often a one way street unless it suits both parties, etc where the woman's mindset is to hook a guy to be stung with it (paying out to support her from a retirement in poverty). I don't see many of them as having the right attitude to be worthy of being with as most past over having children as they were too self centred to want to do it and want a deal where they get and offer nothing in return.
For older guys around retirement such girls may be ok but for someone your age Bee Farmer I think you can do better. I think you're too ready to accept the left over scrap's because you things all you can get. Over in the FSU (or central/south America) though it is different there is a much greater availablity of women there to a guy who can provide. Most FSM pass over on the left over scrap's and just use them for sex as it's all they are worth. They don't want to be paying for them permanently unless they can offer something big in return. So why accept what poorer FSM have passed over in already?
You may not be a particularly good looking or socially skilled guy Bee Farmer and I'm not saying go for some pretty girl but I think you are likely selling yourself short in the FSU and could do much better. It's up to you but the present setup you are willing to p*ss away many years and potentially leave yourself in a less desirable dating position by adding to your age. I personally think if you open yourself to what people are saying here you could end up a lot better off today rather than miss out on it.
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FSW if they are serious apparently do, even I know that ;)
Not during the dating phase. Or if they do, they are way too immature for a serious relationship.
I had no idea you were just 35,
I didn't say I was 35. I said I was PAST the age for having kids. I'm past 35. If you are past 35 and wanting kids, you're probably an idiot. You may be able to get a girl pregnant, but you're going to have a hard time being a good father and a good husband. Do you really want to be trying to play ball with your kids when you are using a walker?
If you father a kid at 35, they are out of the house at 53, leaving you limited time to pay off your home mortgage and save money for retirement. Having kids past 35 for a guy burns the candle at the other end. By the time your kid is raised, you are out of time to save up for retirement. And what kind of good husband is going to enter retirement without significant savings?
Shadow & Krim are heavy in that experience that has given them expert knowledge of how dating works in the FSU.
I would not consider a sex tourist to have expert knowledge of dating in the FSU. They can however, give you expert advice on picking up hookers.
Dating in the FSU isn't like dating in the west, it might seem like it at face value but there are their own conventions going on.
You mean the patriarchal culture? I grew up in a patriarchal culture...in the west.
What I'm saying is just be open to hearing what Shadow & Krim are saying without dismissing it because it doesn't agree with your own judgements that you seem to have already set in stone.
I'm not a sex tourist, and I'm not interested in picking up hookers. So why do you insult my intelligence by suggesting that I should listen to the sex tourist?
I think you can do better. I think you're too ready
I think you are likely selling yourself short
I personally think if you open yourself
And I think you should stop thinking...because your thoughts are those of a clueless idiot.
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Bee Farmer, it's funny listening to someone with NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL make bold proclamations about life and love, like they were some new gospels recently uncovered in Qumran
all your empty proclamations REALLY are 100% pure BS
and are attempts at justifying your MANY FAILURES, by saying "this was your idea all along",
cuz you're so dang smart....
you're SO SMART Bee Farmer
that you don't REALIZE how dumb you REALLY are
HERE are just two of many reasons, for KNOWING that ALL your empty proclamations are just the pathetic utterings of a loser trying to justify his losing streak with his loser philosophy
and look at the results of your "philosophy"
you have NOTHING!!!
NOTHING!!! to show for it!!!!
wanna compare to what I have to show? (be forewarned, it'll take a LONG, LONG time to see it all)
nahhh, I expect you don't wanna do that....
cuz, what you see below, is just the tip of the iceberg Bee Farmer of what I was able to derive from my experince in Ukraine/Russia
this is what my philosophy delivered to me...
how about you?
anything?
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Dating in the FSU isn't like dating in the west . . .
I have very little experience dating in the west, having gotten married the first time at very young age.
However, I have very extensive experience dating in FSU.
I never noticed any problems at all interacting with the FSU ladies, so from my viewpoint there would be no substantial differences between dating in FSU and dating in the west.
Now when it comes to who I could date in FSU and in the west . . . a substantial difference.
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I'm already an exception around here.
I've never married, and have no kids. I'm not interested in a girl who has ever been married, or has kids.
I'm not in a rush to try to get married as quickly as possible. I wouldn't consider marrying a local girl without first dating 2-3 years.
I was exactly the same.
I'm past the age for kids, (35) and I'm not looking for a girl who is young enough to still want kids.
Do not date any woman under 40 if you are serious.ShadowJr arrived when I was 43, ShadowJr2 a year later. MrsShadow was 33 and 35 resoectively.There's no guarantee a relationship will work out, but it's not that difficult to avoid a lot of the common pitfalls.
I think the cost of air travel in the future is a wild card. It looks like AirBus is exiting the aviation business, and that just leaves Boeing. I also anticipate a big drop in demand for air travel, so maybe it will balance itself out.
But if everyone goes back to crossing the Atlantic by boat, if a one-way trip takes 1-2 weeks, that puts a big damper on international travel.
If you are worried about the cost of air travel, just let it go.
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the paradox for western women is that while they seek equality with men, they still WANT a high status male as a mate who is ABOVE them... (women wanna marry up)
in the West, women hold the best cards in the "stacked" deck of dating poker
dewds with "weak hands" will fold, like Bee Farmer...
in the east,
men hold ALL THE ACES
and RICH men, get a ROYAL FLUSH...
there is NO IMPEDIMENT at all to getting as much Pooty Tang as you want
with NONE of the NEGATIVE consequences you have in the west...
once you leave your own jungle
and go into some other foreign jungle that you've never been in before...
you learn there are NEW RULES....
In China and Central America, you can use "white boy fetish" to get laid ALL YOU WANT!!!
and the intimate experiences you have with these women are "interesting"
it's NOT just about sex, it's something more...
but it means you have to be "open" to it
and not close off your mind to all the possibilities the world may hand you,
when you find yourself in a different venue like Ukraine or Costa Rica or China
or...
you can be someone like Bee Farmer...
and instead of being open to fresh discoveries
be closed to them
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Krim, why all the focus on sex?
I love sex also, but sex only takes up a rather small % of the waking hours.
What about finding a gal who will play chess, work on resolving Fermat's Theorems, studying famous works of art, help build or remodel a house, participate in exercise (sexual exercise will not be enough) to keep both of you healthy, etc.?
For me, great sex was a necessary but not sufficient criteria.
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good sex...
AND making SERIOUS amounts of money...
together....
what better rush is there that doesn't involve taking dangerous chemicals? (not that I mind!)
pump up your reward center in the hippocampus with a full dose of endorphins
my brain gets major jolts from sex and "big money scores"
they not only have a relationship with me, but with each other
it's like an invisble hand that as it lifts up one, will also lift up the other in a feedback loop...
but, if you like Fermat's Theorum and Chess and a little tingle is more your style...
don't be worried tovarisch, it's all good in de hood, holmes...
but to me, EXCESS is not nearly enough...
I want MORE than that...
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A man should find a way to integrate his life into the lady's life. It's unreasonable to think that a lady should do all the adjustments so she can conform to your life.
A man is a train... Going to a specific destination. He invites the woman onto the train. She may get on or off the train, but that train is going where it's going. Attempting to alter the course for a woman results in derailment and train wreck.
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a smart man, will not ONLY be able to EASILY find a woman to join him for the ride...
but will also be able to find someone to HELP him drive the long distance to "get there"...
and along the way, there's a hundred different ways to pickup hitch hikers...
when YOU GOT A CAR and they DON'T!! (mataphorically)
but if you ain't got no car, then you ain't got much to offer a hitch hiker
see the logical connection there?
jumping from metaphore to reality...
in Ukraine, I ACTUALLY picked up super model looking young girls who were walking from one village to the next to buy food at the magazine...
EASIEST PICKINGS you could ever imagine...
SUPER GORGEOUS!!! with this hot innocence combined with a killer body, well toned legs and firm arched buttox from walking 10 km per day + physical labor
so incredibly delicious like a ripe tasty fruit... yum, yum
"no freakin way anyone gonna dine like this in America Dawg!", said Krimster mopping his chin...
Avec moi, I am both gourmet and gourmond monsier!!!
Chic Alors!!!
PS
read the account of the Marquis DeSade's experience with a Russian serf girl he purchased in Russia
let's just say, I have had similar experiences
and so I KNOW his description is based on real events
such an exquisite visual and tactile sensation when encountering the perfect female form with a young woman who takes equal delight in showing it to you
a rush like no other...
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I didn't say I was 35. I said I was PAST the age for having kids. I'm past 35. If you are past 35 and wanting kids, you're probably an idiot. You may be able to get a girl pregnant, but you're going to have a hard time being a good father and a good husband. Do you really want to be trying to play ball with your kids when you are using a walker?
If you father a kid at 35, they are out of the house at 53, leaving you limited time to pay off your home mortgage and save money for retirement. Having kids past 35 for a guy burns the candle at the other end. By the time your kid is raised, you are out of time to save up for retirement. And what kind of good husband is going to enter retirement without significant savings?
Well I don't have a mortgage on my house and here in the UK I get a State pension on retirement which for me will apparently be 67. The State pension in the UK is good enough to retire on and live ok enough but supplemental income will make thing pretty comfortable.
So what age roughly are you Bee Farmer, late thirties, early, mid or late forties, older?
If you have a mortgage and are concerned about saving for your retirement then I'm not sure a jaunt over to the FSU is the best for for you. The 'intelligent' thing to do here is to weigh up all the factors, your personal factors - your level of wealth, income, mortgage, pension, property, time you can get off work, your age, ability to alter your life, etc, with factors of the destination, the FSU in this case - it's distance, time to get to it, flight cost, hotel/apartment costs, the culture, the language, accessibility during war, it's people, etc. Weigh up all the factors and then judge how it balances out in your head.
Now I'm not saying it's impossible or that this girl won't come through for you. But for me weighing up those factors for you I don't see much good reading there for you. Sure the odd few may make it work on not a great starting position but I don't think for most it tends to work out.
On paper and probably in practice the factors seem better suited in your favour if you go to central/south America. Way better in fact. Did you know south American countries tend to have low divorce rates? Less than the US and far, far less than the FSU. Did you also know that in the US women are more likely to be the initiator of divorce proceedings and of that most of them (about 70 percent apparently) are from college educated career women. Look where the grass is greener Bee Farmer. You already know Spanish, you could brush up to a good level on Duolingo in next to no time. It's all right in front of you for the taking yet you are setting yourself up potentially for a struggle trying to date far overseas in a land where it's not easy to enter nor necessarily in your health interests to do so. Added to that you say yourself that costs of flights are going up and difficulties there may arise. Why set yourself up for all of that for goodness sake???
You don't think a FSW might be concerned about you having a mortgage, pension/retirement concerns? Sure it's usual for where they are from but in looking abroad they usually expect a certain level of stability. If you've got a big place and at least a chunk of your mortgage paid of then fine, but if there's not a lot to show then a FSW may not be that impressed.
A Hispanic chick though will be far less fussy, you will have saved her from a life of poverty, she will see herself as going up in status due to your white boy status. You will also be a much shorter flight from her home country, etc.
Bee Farmer, the vision is there you just need to open your eyes to see it. The possibilities are so much more that you could have in your life than paying your mortgage and worrying about retirement, that's not living Bee Farmer, that's waiting to die. You need to start living life Bee Farmer, it's right there on your doorstep to turn your life around today for the better. You just need to come to your senses and realise what's best for you.
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the paradox for western women is that while they seek equality with men, they still WANT a high status male as a mate who is ABOVE them... (women wanna marry up)
in the West, women hold the best cards in the "stacked" deck of dating poker
dewds with "weak hands" will fold, like Bee Farmer...
in the east,
men hold ALL THE ACES
and RICH men, get a ROYAL FLUSH...
there is NO IMPEDIMENT at all to getting as much Pooty Tang as you want
with NONE of the NEGATIVE consequences you have in the west...
That's another great quoteworthy piece there Krim :)
Yeah, I kind of caught on that in Ukraine (and I'm sure it's the same in south America) that guys hold a better dating situation than in the west and like you say if the guy is just a bit wealthy then he really can get good choice, if he knows the game.
So even a not so wealthy UK guy like me looks fairly wealthy to most Ukrainian chicks. So that can give me access to dating chicks that I wouldn't be able to date in the west. Pretty girls respond to me in a way other than just seeing me as another option that they'll put in reserve and may possibly one day deign to see me if all else falls flat, which of course it never does. The first time I video chatted with the girl from Mariupol I was blown away. Long straight blonde hair down her back, quite pretty facially, a good figure and a nice ample set of lumps on her chest :D I couldn't believe that a girl of that quality was willing to video chat with me much less wanna meet up to go on some dates with me. The second girl, Kherson, was also very pretty, well that went his it went but still some good times with her. I would have got out there more but then the virus intervened quickly followed by the war.
It's not easy to say this with all that is happening out there and the heartache that people are enduring that way but odds are the present war situation may eventually lead to easier and better dating for western men out there. Obviously there is the loss of men and that's not a nice thing to acknowledge but it's a fact nonetheless. Then of course there is the economy and that of course is and will be in a bad way. So potentially a lot of real scope for western men in the future. Even a guy who isn't all that wealthy from somewhere like the UK should be able to clean up.
That said though of course the situation at the moment is not that easy for a western guy, Ukrainians displaced, Ukraine not readily accessible, Ukrainian chicks being tied to their men at the front, etc.
However, as things were before the virus & war Ukrainians were becoming quite prosperous and potentially that was becoming an issue for dating. In the future dating may be more like the MOB industry PR that there are less men than women out there, so there might become true in the end.
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If you are worried about the cost of air travel, just let it go.
How many guys will be going to the FSU if today's $1500 plane tickets are $10,000-$20,000 tomorrow?
Germany got 40% of natural gas from Russia. Since Russian supplies stopped, the price of natural gas in Germany has went up 6 times. And that is with a lot of demand destruction.
There is no shortage of natural gas. The hard part is simply getting it from where it is produced over to Germany. Natural gas is treated as a waste product in America, and many shale wells burn off excess natural gas. (flaring)
Airbus has a 45% market share. That's headed to zero. Airbus is a consortium of European companies. Its supplier of aluminum and titanium was Russia. Those supplies are GONE. It's no longer a matter of trying to source them from somewhere else. The aluminum and titanium are no longer on the market. It got wings and engines from the UK. With all the Brexit stuff, getting wings and engines are now muddied up.
The last I knew, if you take away aluminum, titanium, wings, and engines, planes don't fly very well.
So if airfare increases 6 times like natural gas prices did, today's $1500 ticket suddenly becomes $10,000. Airfare will suddenly get unaffordable for everyone except the ultra rich. A guy earning $100,000 a year who saves $10,000 a year can afford $1500 tickets. $10,000+ tickets are now unaffordable.
Of course, maybe we will see a 45% reduction in air travel that offsets the 45% market share and capacity Airbus had that went poof.
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A man is a train... Going to a specific destination. He invites the woman onto the train. She may get on or off the train, but that train is going where it's going. Attempting to alter the course for a woman results in derailment and train wreck.
And if the woman gets off the train, it results in DIVORCE. Marriage is supposed to be for life. Personally, I believe that people should be barred from remarrying if they are divorced. Reconcile, or stay single forever.
Being able to compromise can help avoid divorce.
Thinking that a man is a train going to a specific destination, and the train is going where it is going is an extremely selfish mentality. Marriage and a lifelong relationship is a journey, not a destination.
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How many guys will be going to the FSU if today's $1500 plane tickets are $10,000-$20,000 tomorrow?
Germany got 40% of natural gas from Russia. Since Russian supplies stopped, the price of natural gas in Germany has went up 6 times. And that is with a lot of demand destruction.
There is no shortage of natural gas. The hard part is simply getting it from where it is produced over to Germany. Natural gas is treated as a waste product in America, and many shale wells burn off excess natural gas. (flaring)
Airbus has a 45% market share. That's headed to zero. Airbus is a consortium of European companies. Its supplier of aluminum and titanium was Russia. Those supplies are GONE. It's no longer a matter of trying to source them from somewhere else. The aluminum and titanium are no longer on the market. It got wings and engines from the UK. With all the Brexit stuff, getting wings and engines are now muddied up.
The last I knew, if you take away aluminum, titanium, wings, and engines, planes don't fly very well.
So if airfare increases 6 times like natural gas prices did, today's $1500 ticket suddenly becomes $10,000. Airfare will suddenly get unaffordable for everyone except the ultra rich. A guy earning $100,000 a year who saves $10,000 a year can afford $1500 tickets. $10,000+ tickets are now unaffordable.
Of course, maybe we will see a 45% reduction in air travel that offsets the 45% market share and capacity Airbus had that went poof.
So why the hell are you looking to get with this woman in Ukraine if you believe flight prices will go that way????
I think you're getting your thinking for all the wrong places Bee Farmer. Is it down the local bar you're getting this kind of talk or of more cr*ppy daytime talk out of their arse TV shows? Just because it's the talk down the bar, in town or on the TV show doesn't mean it's true.
I can tell you now that Brexit has had little effect in the UK, the supermarkets are as well stocked as ever. Anything can be bought from anywhere much the same as before. The UK sells stuff just like before. We essentially made a free trade deal with the EU to continue trading without tariffs so long as the goods were made in the EU/UK. A little bit more paperwork but that isn't so much of a problem now.
In the UK car unleaded petrol pump prices are back down to pre Ukraine invasion levels.
In Europe as Krim tells us Germany etc are using LNG from the US and other suppliers.
I kind of think you're just picking up your information from somewhere and picking out the most bizarre sounding stuff that kind of just going off on a tangent. It's not helping you Bee Farmer I would definitely change what you watch, where you go as you're just ending up living your life by some oddball headline grabbing tosh.
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And if the woman gets off the train, it results in DIVORCE. Marriage is supposed to be for life. Personally, I believe that people should be barred from remarrying if they are divorced. Reconcile, or stay single forever.
Being able to compromise can help avoid divorce.
Thinking that a man is a train going to a specific destination, and the train is going where it is going is an extremely selfish mentality. Marriage and a lifelong relationship is a journey, not a destination.
Men act. Women respond. If you cater t the woman she'll drop you like a cpckroach and have exactly the same amount of respect for you.
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Bee Fahmuh...
what IF, and this is a pretty BIG hypothetical in your case, but...
what if you had so much experience with relationships with Russian/Ukrainian women
that YOU didn't DECIDE "she's the one", because instead SHE DECIDED YOU WERE THE ONE!
and hence "hers" and she starts marking her territory so the other females stay away from you!!!
but this is just the beginning, because then they turn the "Charm Stun Gun" on you set to "FULL STUN", always touching you, suggestive eye contact especially, and always praising you...
damn, some of you guys have NEVER EVER SEEN that look on ANY woman's face, let alone a Ukrainian one,when they do THIS, but DAMN...
you've NEVER experienced a woman trying her HARDEST to seduce you
only thing hotter, is the sudden shift in how they make eye contact with you during sex when they climax
seriously, a neked 20+ yr old Ukrainain girl staring at you like this
will make your "slinky" go "doing, doing, doing"
and you can use that to to go bat some xtra innings dewd!!!
when a Russian/Ukrainian woman sets her sights on YOU and NOT the other way 'round
you will stand like a naked helpless animal with your little pee pee stickin out a 1/2 inch or so lookin like a little cocktail sausage... VERY, VERY undignified.... with your jaw hangin down lower than your scrotom...
most of you have no idea WTF I'm talking about
and how to deal with the cognitive and linguistic challenges with these women
and the HUGE REWARD(s) that comes with CONNECTING with them...
to receive you must first practice giving
and then...
"what goes round, comes round"
kinda like a
"as it is below, so is it above"
create a positive influence
and you will receive one
create a negative influence
and you will also receive one
do unto others AS HARD AS YOU CAN!!!
FIRST MFers
before they even THINK of doing it to you!!!
THIS used to be my motto!
but recently I changed my motto to "What?"
so if someone asks me, "what is your motto"?
I say, "WHAT IS MY MOTTO!
then they say, "Yes, What is your motto"
and I say, "you got it" but they look confused
a lot like how Bee Fahmuh looks...
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How many guys will be going to the FSU if today's $1500 plane tickets are $10,000-$20,000 tomorrow?
Germany got 40% of natural gas from Russia. Since Russian supplies stopped, the price of natural gas in Germany has went up 6 times. And that is with a lot of demand destruction.
There is no shortage of natural gas. The hard part is simply getting it from where it is produced over to Germany. Natural gas is treated as a waste product in America, and many shale wells burn off excess natural gas. (flaring)
Airbus has a 45% market share. That's headed to zero. Airbus is a consortium of European companies. Its supplier of aluminum and titanium was Russia. Those supplies are GONE. It's no longer a matter of trying to source them from somewhere else. The aluminum and titanium are no longer on the market. It got wings and engines from the UK. With all the Brexit stuff, getting wings and engines are now muddied up.
The last I knew, if you take away aluminum, titanium, wings, and engines, planes don't fly very well.
So if airfare increases 6 times like natural gas prices did, today's $1500 ticket suddenly becomes $10,000. Airfare will suddenly get unaffordable for everyone except the ultra rich. A guy earning $100,000 a year who saves $10,000 a year can afford $1500 tickets. $10,000+ tickets are now unaffordable.
Of course, maybe we will see a 45% reduction in air travel that offsets the 45% market share and capacity Airbus had that went poof.
FYI I am Dutch, meaning that the issues with gas prices and other sanctions directly influence me. And here there is no mention of Airbus stopping any time soon, gas prices are almost back to normal.The Dutch have closed their gas fields, and so far will not reopen, even if they have more than enough in the ground.
Most of the panic is BS, though next winter there may be another situation.Reason why one of my companies is now interested in replacing gas heaters with hydrogen and induction, as the gas price makes electric based alternatives viable, apart from the government incentives.We plan to have our building off grid before next winter.
Apart from that both China and Russia are once again building their own planes. Prices of tickets may not rise as much as you fear.
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Bee Farmer, didn't wish to be harsh on all of this and I kind of hope that's not the way it's coming across. End of the day it's up to you to go with what your happy with. I think some of us here see potential pitfalls in your current situation and don't want to see you waste good time and opportunities where you may gain a good life. Who knows it may come through for you, for me I couldn't sit and wait it out but end of the day it's down to you, just think about it is all I'm saying and consider the possibilities.
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Bee Fahmuh,
I bear thee no "ill will"
just keep on doin, what you've ALWAYS EXCLUSIVELY been doin
and I'm SURE your story will have a "HAPPY ENDING!!" (at least once, between now and the end of the weekend)
all I have done is hold up a mirror to you
during I suppose what should be a very private. intimate moment...
but I wanted you to see, mon frere
what the rest of us see
cuz, I'm afraid that when you're "doing this" you're a bit mentally preoccupied (currently with virtual Ukrainian Soldier Girl)
so all I've done is to change your focus
to look at yourself!!
NO!!! not THAT WAY!!!
OMG!!! turn your webcam OFF!!!
My EYES!!!!
huh...?
what...?
you thought this was some some kinda INAPPROPRIATE SARCASTIC HUMOR? (GASP!)
Merci! Non!
maybe sarcastic humor like beauty is in the perceiver's eye
could this not be so??
j'accuse j'
karma police, place everyone reading this under immediate arrest!
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A Hispanic chick though will be far less fussy, you will have saved her from a life of poverty, she will see herself as going up in status due to your white boy status. You will also be a much shorter flight from her home country, etc.
Trench, you've obviously never dated a Latin woman. The only thing you don't have wrong
is that the language is far easier to learn.
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the quality and quantity of eye candy in central America is to me at least, not as good as Russia or Ukraine
although there is SOME to be found...
with some variation and differentiation within the population
The "Amerindians" an archaic term fer sure are the dominant strain
are pretty divergent from old world populations in Europe/Asia
by over 20,000 yr, at the end of the last ice age
as children, they don't go through the same form of puberty phase that Europeans do
so...
the women are shorter, and their skin is naturally hairless
no "pits" or "pubes" "leg hair", etc. AT ALL
as smooth as the skin of a tomatoe
quite pleasant to the touch
no, these wimmin ain't for marryin
go watch the movie "East of Eden" featuring James Dean...
and the part with the Mexican Farm Girl
THIS...
but, this is not main stream vanilla flavor
this is for those who can also accomodate different tastes
when they find themselves in a new environment
it's kinda like OOzo, even iif it's not your favorite
however in Greece/Cyprus you can get pretty drunk off it!
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Trench, you've obviously never dated a Latin woman. The only thing you don't have wrong
is that the language is far easier to learn.
You're no doubt right Bill, over Christmas I was watching 'Boundless' on Amazon Prime. I would like to see it as a voyage to find a better boob. They end up finding that better boob somewhere around Argentina I believe. Yes I was getting pretty boozed up at this time. Anyhow out pops a load of South American Native girl hotties on the beach mostly naked and showing off fabulous boobs :D I sat there wishing I could have been there, I don't think I ever would have left! I would just stay and make out with them forever more!!!
But no I've never dated such a girl just seen one of the finer looking specimens and hoped to get dating her but never did. So no idea what they are really like possibly a bit fiery or something maybe. Think I recall Boethius saying they have a strong loyalty streak for the guy to be loyal to them at least, if not apparently the guts nuts are on the chopping block quiet literally as I hear it.
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Men act. Women respond. If you cater t the woman she'll drop you like a cpckroach and have exactly the same amount of respect for you.
Good luck not getting divorced with that mentality. (And being divorced is one of the worst things a person can ever be. It is failure, and destruction of the family. If you have kids, they will suffer because of you. If you violate your marriage vows, no one can ever trust you again. A person is only as good as their word - and if your word is worthless...)
If you don't respect women, they won't respect you. Worse yet, they may fear you.
Do you know the number one trait women want in a man? Kindness.
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And here there is no mention of Airbus stopping any time soon,
Airbus is a consortium of European companies.
Where does Airbus get their aluminum and titanium? Russia. Oh wait, all that just went off the market. Where are they going to get their aluminum and titanium from now, once their existing stocks are used up?
And the UK makes the engines and wings for Airbus. If they don't get the Brexit thing worked out, that's going to have problems.
Maybe you're right. I'm sure Airbus will be fine, once they figure out how to make jets fly without aluminum, titanium, wings, or engines.
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Good luck not getting divorced with that mentality. (And being divorced is one of the worst things a person can ever be. It is failure, and destruction of the family. If you have kids, they will suffer because of you. If you violate your marriage vows, no one can ever trust you again. A person is only as good as their word - and if your word is worthless...)
If you don't respect women, they won't respect you. Worse yet, they may fear you.
Do you know the number one trait women want in a man? Kindness.
Respect is not kissing her ass. If you have this attitude, you may get married and she may give you some pity sex from time to time, but she will be banging Vlad and Ivan who don't cater to her because she will detest everything about you except your money supporting her.
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commodities are a GLOBAL market not an exclusively Russian one....
price of aluminium is way down, and no supply constraints at all...
go and check yourself
we don't need Rusal, anywhere near as much as the US officials who Deripaska pays needs it
and that's a pretty big list
titanium went up quite a bit, but percentage wise, only a small amount is used per plane
and I don't see the increase in titanium price adding much cost to an individual aircraft
and it'll be more than offset by the decline in Aluminum prices, cuz Al is used WAY more than Ti
I visited Airbus in Toulouse, France
was blown away by the place and the whole area
once you get away from the city center and go to outlying industrial areas
Toulouse looks EXACTLY like Silicon Valley!!! including the main highway
the contrast to it's REALLY nice grand 13th century cathedral is WILD!!!
I went long on platinum and palladium, cuz I knew this Russian market WELL!!
those skyrocketed, I imagine catalytic converters cost a lot more now!
but they're still being made
99% of the pain that's coming from the west decoupling from Russia's commodity markets
is faced by Russia and not the west
Russia is forced to sell at a cheap discount to undeveloped countries
while the west simply uses their previous suppliers, who have to sell SOMEWHERE...
in regards to "kindness"
I'm not sure, what book you read this is in, but let me give you an addendum...
Russian women will interpret "kindness" as "generosity" and will prefer to use this word
to express such sentiment...
generosity with Russians usually "backfires"
because if you're NOT careful, you can make yourself and your generosity
a vehicle for Russians to exploit you...
and if they CAN, they WILL...
I don't understand why you don't just go OVER THERE and get SOME REAL EXPERIENCE
that you DESPERATELY need.
rather than just fantasizing about it over in Hillbilly Hollow (or do your prefer the local venacular, "Hillbilly Holler")
so I'm guessing that this path, is simply the path of least resistance and effort for you
and that for some bizarre, unfathomable reason, you think THIS PATH will lead you to success
even though it HASN'T DONE A SINGLE THING FOR YOU SO FAR...
hopefully, you'll find some book that will clear this all up for you...
cuz if YOU had to rely upon your own non-existant knowledge of this subject - you'd be COMPLETELY in the dark...
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Respect is not kissing her ass. If you have this attitude, you may get married and she may give you some pity sex from time to time, but she will be banging Vlad and Ivan who don't cater to her because she will detest everything about you except your money supporting her.
I didn't say you had to kiss her ass. But you do need to be respectful. Do you understand the difference?
Why would you marry a girl who will cheat on you? If you don't know her well enough to know if she will be faithful, then you have no business getting married.
There are some basics.
Never go for a girl who has kids.
Never go for a girl who has ever been married.
Never go for a large age gap.
Never go for a girl who is fixated on money in a relationship.
Never go for a girl who has ever cheated in a prior relationship.
Never date a girl who dates "for fun." The purpose of dating is to find a suitable partner for a lifelong marriage.
But you also must must offer the same.
Date for a minimum of 2-3 years to get to know each other. Make sure you are marrying for true love, and to build a family.
If either of you is lacking in any of those things, it's a recipe for disaster.
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I VIOLATED EVERY ONE OF YOUR RULES at one time or another
yet I've been married 23 years and have 2 grown children, also married
you OTOH, are still trying to find your FIRST REAL girl friend...
so if you have a "philosophy" for winning "the game"
then please explain the COMPLETE lack of trophy's on your fireplace mantle...
otherwise, it ain't a "philosophy" as much as it is a "phantasy" and NOT reality
and honestly, I think that's about as far as you've gotten with this
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I didn't say you had to kiss her ass. But you do need to be respectful. Do you understand the difference?
Why would you marry a girl who will cheat on you? If you don't know her well enough to know if she will be faithful, then you have no business getting married.
There are some basics.
Never go for a girl who has kids.
Never go for a girl who has ever been married.
Never go for a large age gap.
Never go for a girl who is fixated on money in a relationship.
Never go for a girl who has ever cheated in a prior relationship.
Never date a girl who dates "for fun." The purpose of dating is to find a suitable partner for a lifelong marriage.
But you also must must offer the same.
Date for a minimum of 2-3 years to get to know each other. Make sure you are marrying for true love, and to build a family.
If either of you is lacking in any of those things, it's a recipe for disaster.
I truly LOVE women. Love is an action verb. I respect myself.
Husband's love your wives (action verb, not a feeling) ... Wives obey your husband's. The latter may be translated as respect. She must respect You. She can't respect you if you are acting like a woman. The polarity must be intact. Action and will are keys.
I'm not religious, but those are gems of wisdom in ancient Greek.
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I truly LOVE women. Love is an action verb. I respect myself.
Husband's love your wives (action verb, not a feeling) ... Wives obey your husband's. The latter may be translated as respect. She must respect You. She can't respect you if you are acting like a woman. The polarity must be intact. Action and will are keys.
I'm not religious, but those are gems of wisdom in ancient Greek.
Husbands, [not husband's] love your wives the way that Christ loved the church.
Or husbands should love their wives like they love their own bodies.
Wives, obey your husbands the same way that you obey the Lord. [not husband's]
I have no idea where you come up with the idiotic nonsense that being considerate of a lady and respecting her is acting like a woman. That is how a real man acts.
Here's another bit of wisdom.
Husbands, live a life being considerate and understanding of your wives, and treat them with respect.
Marriage is not one sided, which is exactly what you are suggesting.
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Bee Fahmuh
so...
besides growing up in a dysfunctional family...
you grew up in a religious one....
and I'm SURE that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with why you are where you are right now, right?
and that it's OTHER PEOPLE who are "lesser" and CLEARLY NOT YOU!
Gott mit uns?
ok, here's one fer ya!
what if GOD'S DEAD, and has been. for HUNDREDS of years, since the french enlightenment AT LEAST?
hmmmm
and so all your info is as useful as knowing the EXACT "number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin"
and that load of NONSENSE just ain't gonna "cut it" fer ya
and with this bit of info, you coulda spared yourself YEARS of frustration
which, after all these years, STILL aren't OVER for ya...
you're the opposite of "WOKE" Bee Fahmuh
your brain's FAST ASLEEP at the wheel
and I ain't talkin about JUST how you view the world
but how you VIEW YOURSELF
maybe...
one day you will awaken
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I doubt anyone knows the absolute 'correct' way to go about this.
i.e. treatment of women.
My procedure has been to provide very respectful, kind and considerate treatment . . . but bail out at the first sign of disrespectful, unkind or inconsiderate treatment received from them.
Being older, I certainly wouldn't expect any gal that I might be interested in to have had no prior sex.
I would have to accept a divorced woman, since that was my status. Don't think I could go for a twice (or more) divorced gal though.
Children I would have to accept, but not between the ages of 12-18 . . . unless they have been neutered !!
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I truly LOVE women. Love is an action verb. I respect myself.
Husband's love your wives (action verb, not a feeling) ... Wives obey your husband's. The latter may be translated as respect. She must respect You. She can't respect you if you are acting like a woman. The polarity must be intact. Action and will are keys.
I'm not religious, but those are gems of wisdom in ancient Greek.
Grammatically, love is a feeling and a state verb, not an action, but that's beside the point.
Obey and respect are not synonymous. If you respect a woman you won't expect her to obey you like a servant or a child. I don't think marriage has anything to do with obeying. Are you married?
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Grammatically, love is a feeling and a state verb, not an action, but that's beside the point.
Obey and respect are not synonymous. If you respect a woman you won't expect her to obey you like a servant or a child. I don't think marriage has anything to do with obeying. Are you married?
Talking about the text in ancient Greek. There are various words for love and respect. Nope, not married. I'm a master of dating. The principles are pretty much the same. It's thinking that they're not is the mistake. I've made that mistake in the past.
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The greeks defined agape and eros
but they didn’t define their boundaries or how to go seek and find them
that’s up to each individual explorer to go learn and seek for themselves
and Bee Fahmuh, hasn’t even left home yet…
whatever….
Bee Fahmuh
plot the slope of the percentage of your potential success as you age in finding a quality partner
and you’ll see that starting NOW
your FUTURE chances of succeeding are only gonna get worse over time, and NOT better
and this is your FUTURE
all...the...way...down….
a swift decline, that will be much FASTER than you currently realize
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I doubt anyone knows the absolute 'correct' way to go about this.
i.e. treatment of women.
My procedure has been to provide very respectful, kind and considerate treatment . . . but bail out at the first sign of disrespectful, unkind or inconsiderate treatment received from them.
Being older, I certainly wouldn't expect any gal that I might be interested in to have had no prior sex.
I would have to accept a divorced woman, since that was my status. Don't think I could go for a twice (or more) divorced gal though.
Children I would have to accept, but not between the ages of 12-18 . . . unless they have been neutered !!
As a self proclaimed Masterdater :devil: I have to agree. I treat every woman I encounter with kindness and respect. "Respect" is rather ambiguous. Treating someone with respect which is actually politeness, kindness, etc., as opposed to actually having respect for someone which is based on observations of experience over time with the other and the extrapolations of character, et al.
Disrespect is an immediate one and done for me as well. Zero second chances. There are too many options out there to deal with BS of any kind really.
My approach to women, which generally involves joking, pushing their buttons, messing with them to generate reactions of some kind or another certainly wouldn't work for all guys as their approach wouldn't work for me. There are some common factors though. Being nice is safe and boring and doesn't generate much emotion from her unless you're Brad Pitt perhaps.
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From what I've read here, Krimster is completely correct with his assessment. Bee Farmer has an imaginary girlfriend -- a fantasy he's created in his own mind. Of course, there's always possible that the fantasy will eventually match reality but coming close to finding that out is a ways off with a lot of time invested in one pen pal/chat partner.
Every man falls in love with a fantasy. So does a woman. We only know of the other that which is revealed. The trick is NOT to fall in love either quickly or, better yet, at all. Love her, but don't "fall" anywhere. That skews the rational process of good partner selsction.
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yeah, I wish I knew about "toxic women" earlier than I did...
but I had to deal with some first, to realize the utter futility of being in a relationship with a narcissist who cares only about herself and her own opinions and disrespects everyone else's
all those toxic women, I escaped from, later married some poor schmuck, and ended up destroying the men they married...
they all live with cats now, and probably have difficulty getting along with them as well...
just say NO to these women
or say goodby to your sanity...
a good woman, is worth her weight in gold
and if you find one, you will be RICH for sure....
me, I have a "special talent" for "finding things"
for putting myself on a path, where I'm more likely to find the things I'm looking for...
until I collide with them and so they find me
much better for a woman to "find you" then the other way around
give this woman your tenderness
and she'll give it right back
hmmmmm - delicious feeling that is
I don't know about ya'll but some of the most intense feelings EVAH !
happen when a beautiful woman is making such a display
as she tries her upmost to seduce you with her MANY CHARMS
most incels NEVER, EVER had a "tight relationship" with a woman their own age
whether it was sexual or platonic
and don't have the interpersonal skill set to build a relationship with someone they completely misunderstand, and so where does that go...
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Well holiday booked up with work for April for a week off, that should be more than enough time for me to meet up with some girls.
Just the flights to book and accommodation to arrange now. Plenty of time to do that but will look out for any good prices early on.
Hopefully the weather will be nice and warm the and the Russians won't invade :)
Came over with shivering last night, think it was the flu, fortunately had the flu jab so only lasted the night. Put the heating up high, bit off a burn up but better than shivering. Lots of viruses in the UK at the moment, NHS & GP's overwhelmed with it all. Anyone going to hospital risks catching more of it. Fortunately I've gotten off pretty easy so far apart from last night, that was quiet a high temperature I was running there.
Definitely feeling I made the right choice in getting the Pneumonia & Flu jabs, think I would have suffered a lot more otherwise. So all being well I'll be in good form for Chișinău and see how things go then. In theory I know a lot more than at the start of my search so I should be in a better position to crack it.
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A man is a train... Going to a specific destination. He invites the woman onto the train.
She may get on or off the train, but that train is going where it's going. Attempting to
alter the course for a woman results in derailment and train wreck.
Truth!
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Well holiday booked up with work for April for a week off, that should be more than enough time for me to meet up with some girls.
Just the flights to book and accommodation to arrange now. Plenty of time to do that but will look out for any good prices early on.
Hopefully the weather will be nice and warm the and the Russians won't invade :)
Came over with shivering last night, think it was the flu, fortunately had the flu jab so only lasted the night. Put the heating up high, bit off a burn up but better than shivering. Lots of viruses in the UK at the moment, NHS & GP's overwhelmed with it all. Anyone going to hospital risks catching more of it. Fortunately I've gotten off pretty easy so far apart from last night, that was quiet a high temperature I was running there.
Definitely feeling I made the right choice in getting the Pneumonia & Flu jabs, think I would have suffered a lot more otherwise. So all being well I'll be in good form for Chișinău and see how things go then. In theory I know a lot more than at the start of my search so I should be in a better position to crack it.
Bad news i'm afraid...you may well be met by Russian Tanks.
The Associated Press reported yesterday that Ukrainian President Zelensky said on Thursday that his country had intercepted plans by Russian Secret Services to destroy Moldova ,and Moldovan Intelligence confirmed the claim.
Today Moldovan PM Natalia Gavrilita resigned,collapsing the Government.This was after Russian Cruise Missiles crossed Moldovan airspace.
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http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moldovan-prime-minister-announces-government-resignation-2023-02-10/
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Bad news i'm afraid...you may well be met by Russian Tanks.
The Associated Press reported yesterday that Ukrainian President Zelensky said on Thursday that his country had intercepted plans by Russian Secret Services to destroy Moldova ,and Moldovan Intelligence confirmed the claim.
Today Moldovan PM Natalia Gavrilita resigned,collapsing the Government.This was after Russian Cruise Missiles crossed Moldovan airspace.
Serbia?
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Bad news i'm afraid...you may well be met by Russian Tanks.
Chelseaboy, Trench is more indecisive than a Transvestite with a
"one free wig coupon" at the Wig Emporium, so you come along
and throw a monkey wrench into his little world.
Before you made that post, Trench's main concern was deciding
whether he should live in a tent in Dumitru Riscanu Park or sleeping
in the local youth hostel. He figured that the park might cost less but
then worried he might exceed his budget for baby wipes.
Trench was a 471 baby steps approach to planning a trip. Getting
permission for time off from his $9.07 per hour job is step 11,
organizing his fake Rolex watch collection is 12, picking up free
condoms at NHS is step 13 and step 471 is buying the plane tickets.
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Chelseaboy, Trench is more indecisive than a Transvestite with a
"one free wig coupon" at the Wig Emporium, so you come along
and throw a monkey wrench into his little world.
Before you made that post, Trench's main concern was deciding
whether he should live in a tent in Dumitru Riscanu Park or sleeping
in the local youth hostel. He figured that the park might cost less but
then worried he might exceed his budget for baby wipes.
Trench was a 471 baby steps approach to planning a trip. Getting
permission for time off from his $9.07 per hour job is step 11,
organizing his fake Rolex watch collection is 12, picking up free
condoms at NHS is step 13 and step 471 is buying the plane tickets.
That's cheeky Beel. I'll have you know I'm fully committed to fulfilling each and every one of those 471 steps ;D
Well it looks like Russia is interested in gaining Moldova at some point. That backs up those with the view like myself that if Ukraine falls then Putler would go after Moldova next, then Georgia, then the Stans in a domino effect and we'll be left with an even bigger threat on our door step.
At the moment I'm still committed to visiting Chișinău. I don't think Putler is looking at a military solution until he has Ukraine in his grasp. He's difficulties in Ukraine point to his reason of trying to subvert the government there instead as a possibility. Now he's efforts have been outed that looks even less likely and I think it was a long shot for him in the first place as Moldova's government is a majority pro- western one.
So I'll keep on track with my visit plans there in April. In no rush to get the tickets just in case but I personally don't think much will likely happen. Moldova's military is more numerous than Russian troops in Transnistria and they'll be prepared so I don't see Russia having enough strength there to invade successfully. As stated before I think those troops would be more useful to Putler invading the border area of Ukraine there but so far he hasn't seen it.
My efforts at language learning continue at pace. My diet is ok and should be decent enough by the time of my visit. My muscle building I will get onto soon, I'm timing it so I pump them up in time but don't start too soon so as to risk them deflating before my visit should I ease off on my efforts there ;)
So all being well I should be there, after all this time where it's been difficult to find a window of opportunity to get out there I'm itching at the prospect of doing so.
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Justin is in Bender, Transnistria today.
Supposedly there were 80 ladies, 20 men in the club last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR1SPNwTCz0
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I'll have you know I'm fully committed to fulfilling each and every one of those 471 steps ;D
You haven't bought tickets, you don't know when you are going to go.
It's just like your remodel, your workout regimen, learning Russian,
your dead end job. You can have results or excuses, not both.
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin
Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.
George Washington Carver
Excuses destroy success every time.
Jon Taffer
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You haven't bought tickets, you don't know when you are going to go.
It's just like your remodel, your workout regimen, learning Russian,
your dead end job. You can have results or excuses, not both.
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin
Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.
George Washington Carver
Excuses destroy success every time.
Jon Taffer
No excuses this year Bill, I'm going to Chișinău this April, a week booked off work. My Russian learning is going ok now regular time input but I still won't be that great/trouble with recall I reckon, but it should hopefully come at some point. Muscles I will be getting into shortly. I have to time it right as doing it too early takes time up and unless I keep it up they deflate on me :-\
House remodeling is going ok. I've unusually has to switch plans to focus on the back of the house/back garden as new neighbours moving in next door so want to avoid issues with mess/them seeing work being done as although most people are fine some can be a real pain in the arse if you get funny buggers as neighbours. Anyhow new planting & work in the back garden and it's starting to shape up and look pretty lush even for a chilly February. It's not ideal of course I've been spending the last few weekends working in temperature not far above freezing when I had hoped to leave that to the Spring months and finishing off. Plus side is that at least I'll have the garden to enjoy in the Spring time and probably will be a good bonus to show to a FSW.
Inside the house not bad now, most of the major work done and getting around to the tarting up jobs that are remaining. It all takes time which is a pain, way longer than I had anticipated but once done it should pay dividends in terms of being a more valuable house, more room, rooms I can rent, etc. From there I can move on to other ways to generate independent income. It has been a slow moving process I'll grant you that and I kind of wonder with hindsight if I should have chosen another way around it all to get to my goal quicker of gaining an independent income, i.e taken on a mortgage and bought a bigger house, rent rooms out and focus on paying off the mortgage/savings for a year or two before going abroad.
Anyway road already laid on that one, end result should be good I think. I'm already pretty pleased with the way it's shaping up so far so should be good. I'm as anxious as you seem to be for me to get out there and meet some women that's what it's all about of course. It's been put off longer than I wanted but hopefully now I am hoping there will be my chance to get out there and meet someone.
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How quickly can you pull off a second, and even third trip Trench?
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The Civil Aviation Authority of Moldova confirms that Wizz Air suspends flights to/from Chisinau from 14th March ,citing airspace security concerns in the region.
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The Civil Aviation Authority of Moldova confirms that Wizz Air suspends flights to/from Chisinau from 14th March ,citing airspace security concerns in the region.
Thanks CB wasn't aware so handy you highlighted it for me. Huh just as I was saying no excuses this year! That's a real pain in the arse that they are doing that. I know there is a bit if a risk in it but at my age I'm not going to be around forever. Possibly there are still other airlines going there but looking up online looks like a lot of them are transfers then of course for how much longer. Wizz Air was the airline I was thinking of going with as they are cheap and the air hostess girls seem nice tarty types which I like :) so it's a real blow that they're stopping flights there. Can only think of Serbia as a cheap alternative at the moment so maybe that.
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Wizz Air will suspend all its flights to and from Moldova next month due to security concerns linked to growing tensions with Russia
“Following the recent developments in Moldova and the elevated, but not imminent, risk in the country’s airspace, Wizz Air has made the difficult but responsible decision to suspend all flights to [the capital] Chisinau from 14 March.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/wizz-air-to-suspend-moldova-flights-due-to-security-fears
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Wizz Air will suspend all its flights to and from Moldova next month due to security concerns linked to growing tensions with Russia
“Following the recent developments in Moldova and the elevated, but not imminent, risk in the country’s airspace, Wizz Air has made the difficult but responsible decision to suspend all flights to [the capital] Chisinau from 14 March.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/wizz-air-to-suspend-moldova-flights-due-to-security-fears
One possible route is to fly Wizz Air to Iasi in Romania then cross the border by train and later back again. From my Krakow/Lviv trip I found that to be a pain much better to fly in. Some airlines are still operating to Moldova I think but looks like it will be a transfer flight, so long as the transfer wait isn't too long that's likely preferable as I'll likely have to put up with more bother crossing the border by train. That all depends on if other airlines continue to fly to Moldova of course.
Serbia is a possibility but Russian is spoken less there and Serbian though another Slavic language is only somewhat similar to Russian. Serbia is also likely a bit better off than Moldova/Ukraine so a bit of a different situation. At the moment it looks like hold on and see if other airlines continue to fly or follow suit. If other airlines are still flying I'll likely go with them and stomach the transfer, with no hold luggage it shouldn't be too bad.
Just looked at Air Moldova, they do a direct flight from London Stansted, slightly longer drive for me but doable. Downside is direct from their website they are a bit more expensive than Wizz so about a good £300 or so there and back at current prices, what this war is costing me :-\
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Serbians are one of the most vicious people in current 'western' world.
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Serbians are one of the most vicious people in current 'western' world.
Yeah that is probably true ML, a bit of a different scene that I am not so used to. At the moment still getting out to Chișinău seems my best bet. Let's hope the other airlines don't follow suit, they haven't already so hopefully all will be good.
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Going to really start moving it up on the exercise routine from here on out to Chișinău in April. Christmas & Birthday really set my diet back a fair bit with all the chocolate & drink. Not that I'm badly overweight just not as good as where I was. My diet is starting to bring the weight back down and I know it can work well so moving back onto that.
At the same time now is about the right time to initiate my exercise routine. Before it was just my diet working on its own my exercise routine should speed that up a little although I was getting everyday exercise before. The main focus of my exercise routine is to build muscle so it's out with the weights for that one ;) I've put together a pretty kick ass routine that should do the business I think. This is all timed so I reach a decent body condition for my trip to Chișinău in April all being well.
Kind of itching to get out there already and get back into it after all this time. I've learnt a fair bit over the past few years so I should be better placed to get it sorted with a bit of luck. Weather is still cold here in the UK even though we are entering Spring now. Most of February has been pretty chilly so just hoping for some warmer weather to get more in the active mood. Hopefully in April it will be nice and warm in Chișinău with plenty of hottie's and a distinct absence of Russian troops ;D
Got some new weights coming in the post, coming from Germany as they don't sell them in the UK and were a cheaper price than getting them from the US as high carriage fee there. About the exact weight I need so should help out with the muscle building.
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Going to really start moving it up on the exercise routine from here on out to Chișinău in April. Christmas & Birthday really set my diet back a fair bit with all the chocolate & drink. Not that I'm badly overweight just not as good as where I was. My diet is starting to bring the weight back down and I know it can work well so moving back onto that.
At the same time now is about the right time to initiate my exercise routine. Before it was just my diet working on its own my exercise routine should speed that up a little although I was getting everyday exercise before. The main focus of my exercise routine is to build muscle so it's out with the weights for that one ;) I've put together a pretty kick ass routine that should do the business I think. This is all timed so I reach a decent body condition for my trip to Chișinău in April all being well.
Kind of itching to get out there already and get back into it after all this time. I've learnt a fair bit over the past few years so I should be better placed to get it sorted with a bit of luck. Weather is still cold here in the UK even though we are entering Spring now. Most of February has been pretty chilly so just hoping for some warmer weather to get more in the active mood. Hopefully in April it will be nice and warm in Chișinău with plenty of hottie's and a distinct absence of Russian troops ;D
Got some new weights coming in the post, coming from Germany as they don't sell them in the UK and were a cheaper price than getting them from the US as high carriage fee there. About the exact weight I need so should help out with the muscle building.
Every time I read your posts talking about yourself, I think about the pig putting a heavy coat of lipstick on, ignoring the fact that it's still a pig!!!
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Every time I read your posts talking about yourself, I think about the pig putting a heavy coat of lipstick on, ignoring the fact that it's still a pig!!!
The RWD ten commandments comes to mind:
7. Always be yourself. Show the ladies the real you. Be truthful. Use current photos.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2.0
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Every time I read your posts talking about yourself, I think about the pig putting a heavy coat of lipstick on, ignoring the fact that it's still a pig!!!
Think of me more like a Chameleon ;D
Noticed today that the weather in Chișinău isn't that bad now 18 - 19 degrees Celsius, with a few off days scattered here & there. While it may not be winter coat weather there at the moment I'm thinking more weather in the early to mid 20 degrees Celsius will be better. Sometimes stuff around 18 degrees Celsius can be slightly cool so April is probably still going to be the best time (I hope).
Language learning is going ok, I recently learnt that Vanya and Dima are both dudes names and not chicks names as I originally thought.
Weights from Germany have arrived, alls good. No import duty to pay so the free trade deal the UK struck with the EU works. Already started my new weights routine with them so hopefully will in good shape for April visit.
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Think of me more like a Chameleon ;D
Noticed today that the weather in Chișinău isn't that bad now 18 - 19 degrees Celsius, with a few off days scattered here & there. While it may not be winter coat weather there at the moment I'm thinking more weather in the early to mid 20 degrees Celsius will be better. Sometimes stuff around 18 degrees Celsius can be slightly cool so April is probably still going to be the best time (I hope).
Language learning is going ok, I recently learnt that Vanya and Dima are both dudes names and not chicks names as I originally thought.
Weights from Germany have arrived, alls good. No import duty to pay so the free trade deal the UK struck with the EU works. Already started my new weights routine with them so hopefully will in good shape for April visit.
I see you added some earrings to the lipstick!!!
Maybe you should be working on social skills only.
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Shipping weights between countries !! ??
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I see you added some earrings to the lipstick!!!
Maybe you should be working on social skills only.
My social skills aren't really all that bad, in truth I just tend to focus on other things that give me a buzz. Sure I'm not as extroverted as some and can't talk the legs of a donkey but I'm ok enough socially.
In theory I could go over there as is and if I find the right girl then it could be a goer. I kind of like to put in a bit of effort to come across well. End of the day it will go how it goes and either something decent will come of it or it won't.
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My social skills aren't really all that bad, in truth I just tend to focus on other things that give me a buzz. Sure I'm not as extroverted as some and can't talk the legs of a donkey but I'm ok enough socially.
In theory I could go over there as is and if I find the right girl then it could be a goer. I kind of like to put in a bit of effort to come across well. End of the day it will go how it goes and either something decent will come of it or it won't.
From 1st Daddian chapter 2:
Well, there are behaviors you can have which will nearly guarantee that she won't be in your future, i.e., the more YOU speak about a future in specific terms WITH HER, i.e., speak about your future together, the less likely you are to actually be in it. You speak about the future in vague terms of where you see yourself in the future and allow her to insert herself into that picture in her own imagination.
Let her bring up anything and everything about a future with YOU, or a relationship, or being a couple, or 'love'.. Anything whatsoever that indicates a committment, exclusivity, her being your girlfriend.. Anything.. She brings it up, every simgle time. You bring that up zero percent of the time. Zero.absolutely absolute zero.less than zero. Let her dream of things in her own way, and share those dreams with you when she's ready..
You go after fun and sex. Don't talk about your feelings unless she directly asks, and even then dont give her a straight answer.. Let her wonder and long for you. There many more dont's than do's. Fun, sex, passion -Do. Damn near everything else, don't unless she brings it up first.
Go there and have fun. Don't go there with an agenda. As stated many times in these pages -it's a long expensive first date and that's all it is. Treat it exactly that way. You sure as hell wouldn't be contemplating relationships, matriage, etc with a woman in your town. Not only is that utterly stupid,
but when you are thinking such idiocy you externally give off a different vibe - like you are desperate or something and women can smell that shit a mile away.. Perhaps farther.
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Sorry, spellcheck on my thumb typing seems to be off. Apologies.for me to attempt to correct everythingmakes matters worse.
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That's what computer keyboards are for.
I have never succombed to the stupidity of using mobile phones for typing, or anything except phone calls.
Typing on mobile phones is only accelerating the decline in adequate communication skills around the world.
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Thousands of people have gathered in the Moldovan capital Chișinău at a protest organised by a pro-Russia party, with demonstrators criticising the pro-European government for a steep rise in the cost of living.
Months of rallies, organised by the party of the fugitive pro-Russian oligarch Ilan Shor, have been condemned by the government as a Kremlin-sponsored campaign to destabilise the country. The oligarch is believed to have fled to Israel after being convicted of involvement in the theft of $1bn (£830m) from Moldova’s banks.
At Sunday’s protests, Shor party leaders shouted “Down with Maia Sandu”, Moldova’s pro-European president, “Down with dictatorship” and “Down with the police” on the microphones, as they encouraged demonstrators to break police cordons.
Moldovan police detained more than 50 protesters, including 21 minors, for aggression and possession of dangerous objects such as knives and gas lighter sprays
“Many people do not understand that thieves want to come to power,” said Alexandru Melnic, an 82-year-old counter-protester. “For the first time in 32 years [since Moldova became independent], we are taking the first steps in the right direction,” he said about country’s ambitions for EU integration. Moldova gained EU candidate status in June last year, alongside Ukraine.
Sandu said last month that Russia planned to provide foreign citizens with military training, who would then act as protesters in order to break into state institutions and take hostages. On Friday, the US National Security Council’s coordinator for strategic communication, John Kirby, warned of further Russian efforts to destabilise Moldova.
Before Sunday’s protest, the head of the Moldovan police, Viorel Cernăuțeanu, said at a press conference that the FSB, Russia’s secret services, planned to use 10 groups of five to 10 Russian and Moldovan men with criminal records or sports training to break police cordons and spark violence. But a Moldovan undercover agent helped reveal the plans, Cernăuțeanu added. Dozens were detained, including seven leaders of the operation.
An alleged member of the Russian paramilitary Wagner group was refused entry into Moldova, according to the border police. He is one of 182 foreign citizens denied access to the country over the past week. Last month, two foreign citizens were expelled for spying, according to Moldova’s intelligence services.
“I would draw attention to the potential connection between the groups uncovered by the police and the Wagner group,” said analyst Valeriu Pașa from the Moldovan thinktank WatchDog. “Russia’s aim is to provoke chaos and discontent. In this way, it would be easier to overthrow Moldova’s current government. Shor’s intention is to keep the authorities busy so that the reform of the judiciary does not succeed and he does not get a final sentence.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/12/moldova-pro-russian-protesters-gather-amid-fears-of-orchestrated-violence
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That's what computer keyboards are for.
I have never succombed to the stupidity of using mobile phones for typing, or anything except phone calls.
Typing on mobile phones is only accelerating the decline in adequate communication skills around the world.
I don't consider it stupidity to use cell phones for taking pictures. If you ever have to replace a component with a lot of electrical wires, a quick pic with the cell phone can save a lot of frustration in getting it wired back up right. Being able to take pics of plant diseases or pests can make identification a lot easier too. A picture is worth a thousand words.
I don't consider it stupid to use a cell phone to process credit cards at a farmers market. 1/2 to 2/3 of sales are paid for with credit cards these days at farmers markets. Being able to process credit cards was the reason I upgraded from a dumb flip phone to a smart phone. I could do everything I wanted on a flip phone except process credit cards.
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Get a girlfriend to take pics and process credit cards for you.
Have her use her mobile phone for such, so you don't have to resort to using phone in a stupid way.
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That's what computer keyboards are for.
I have never succombed to the stupidity of using mobile phones for typing, or anything except phone calls.
Typing on mobile phones is only accelerating the decline in adequate communication skills around the world.
I type around 40+ words per minute using a keyboard. My daughter is faster on her iPhone with two thumbs than I am with 10 fingers. It's a tool. Some are good at it, and some, like myself, are not. I took a typing class in school, my kids didn't have to; they grew up with keyboards. IMO, the decline in language skills is not due to the tool used. Pen and paper are tools as well. Soon enough, we'll be able to just think about what we want to write, and it will appear on the screen, with grammar and spelling corrected by AI.
This same kind of debate came about when the electronic calculator came about. Math classes used not to allow them at all. Nowadays, it's standard.
I believe our kids are not reading enough, and many lack basic skills in maths and language, but I doubt it's because of the tools available nowadays.
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I type around 40+ words per minute using a keyboard. My daughter is faster on her iPhone with two thumbs than I am with 10 fingers. It's a tool. Some are good at it, and some, like myself, are not. I took a typing class in school, my kids didn't have to; they grew up with keyboards.
I was once asked, 'how many words per minute can you do?' I replied, 'I've never counted' ;D
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Being able to process credit cards was the reason I upgraded from a dumb flip phone to a smart phone. I could do everything I wanted on a flip phone except process credit cards.
That's a lie! Admit it Bee Farmer you bought a smart phone so you could get RWD on the move :D
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From 1st Daddian chapter 2:
Well, there are behaviors you can have which will nearly guarantee that she won't be in your future, i.e., the more YOU speak about a future in specific terms WITH HER, i.e., speak about your future together, the less likely you are to actually be in it. You speak about the future in vague terms of where you see yourself in the future and allow her to insert herself into that picture in her own imagination.
Let her bring up anything and everything about a future with YOU, or a relationship, or being a couple, or 'love'.. Anything whatsoever that indicates a committment, exclusivity, her being your girlfriend.. Anything.. She brings it up, every simgle time. You bring that up zero percent of the time. Zero.absolutely absolute zero.less than zero. Let her dream of things in her own way, and share those dreams with you when she's ready..
You go after fun and sex. Don't talk about your feelings unless she directly asks, and even then dont give her a straight answer.. Let her wonder and long for you. There many more dont's than do's. Fun, sex, passion -Do. Damn near everything else, don't unless she brings it up first.
Go there and have fun. Don't go there with an agenda. As stated many times in these pages -it's a long expensive first date and that's all it is. Treat it exactly that way. You sure as hell wouldn't be contemplating relationships, matriage, etc with a woman in your town. Not only is that utterly stupid,
but when you are thinking such idiocy you externally give off a different vibe - like you are desperate or something and women can smell that shit a mile away.. Perhaps farther.
Thanks Daveman that's good advice. I'll definitely follow it whe in Chisinau. Often I make mistakes and end up trashing it myself by putting one foot in it after another. I get the drift of all what you say here.
I think my problem in the past with UK chicks is that when I see one that seems interested that I like I think I can tend to make it too obvious that I am attracted. Almost seemed as soon as I considered she could be good to go for she seemed more evasive, like you say omen can pick up on that stuff a mile away and it doesn't have to be particularly strong.
When in Chișinău the main idea is just to see if there is any go in it for me there. So I'm not set on meeting 'the one' out there. I think one of the problems I've had in the past from the visit one strategy that it tends to concentrate you're mind on the one girl you're going to see and make you feel invested in her. That can end up a Scott like scenario where you end up with a girl who was never really ever into you just all of the impulses were there pushing it that way unnecessarily. I know other girls can be gone for if choosing to ditch the meet one girl while out there but that can be awkward and makes the guy wonder if he really wants to give up a girl who is good in some ways but missing in other ways.
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Chișinău not looking quite so good for April now, the temperatures out there seem worse than they were out there in March when it was around 28 degrees. I've got holiday leave booked but no flights/hotel yet so I've decided to shuffle stuff around and delay the Chișinău trip for another month or so. That will leave me the weeks holiday time to crack on with the house conversion. The sooner I finish that the sooner I will have my hands free. At the moment I would be going out there and if I found someone or even if I didn't and needed to do a return trip it would be difficult with the house conversion in the way. So if I can get that done/near enough done first it will free up a lot of time for me, plus I prefer not having the feeling that I'm b*llshitting with a messy property back home and my hands kind of tied with which to do anything.
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Today I'm kind of starting to wonder whether my idea of getting with a girl in Chișinău (was going to be Odessa) and spend part of my time with her and part of my time away on 'business' in the UK is a sound one. Idea was to have kids with her there on the understanding that I would have to be some time away in the UK (perhaps a week or so in UK to every 4-5 weeks in Chișinău) to provide for the family. During this time I would mostly be visiting my family in the UK, Mother, Brother, etc. Over time I would generally hoped to move her with kids to the UK once it seemed we were on a sure footing as far as that can practically be.
I'm kind of starting to question whether it would work out in reality or whether it would go pear shaped for me. In life it seems it's so easy to make a bad turn and life go bad. If I look the situation without risk of rose tinted specs the stuff that could go bad could be:
1). She ends up cheating on me with another guy while I'm away.
2). She ends up splitting with me after we have kids together and then gets with some other dude.
3). She wants to stay in Chișinău or doesn't get on in the UK while I want to be in the UK. Possibly I might come not to like being in Chișinău so much after a while.
Possibly some other stuff may go wrong who knows. Just wondering if I should re-evaluate the situation a little. Would be grateful for any input anyone else might have on this.
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Better to find a woman, marry, and have children before worrying about all the “what ifs”.
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Better to find a woman, marry, and have children before worrying about all the “what ifs”.
I know there's kind of 'what if' with pretty much any course of action but sometimes I wonder if I'm making/contemplated making a bad move where the 'what if's' are more likely and more hazardous. The way things are dating these days it can be a minefield out there and even the FSU isn't problem free in that front.
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the doubts that you are havin Trench
they're really self-doubts
and not doubts 'bout some hypothetical person
observation I made long before being married
which kept me on the path of not WANTING to get married
working as an engineer at Intel
worked with two different groups of guys
one group newly married and had toddlers
second group had dawgs (canines)
dawg group was 75% as happy as married/toddler group
but had way more money and time on their hands....
led me to want to stay in the dawg group
that's the direction I was goin in til my wife found me
and she learned how to manipulate and control me through sex
and I became a sexual object for her to use for her gratification
first time I ever became submissive to a woman
was a new kind of sex for me
but surely, you guys don't wanna hear about how strong, tall, muscular Ukrainian village girls
will sexually dominate their foreign spouses
cuz you already know about all that perverted stuff that they do to westerners, amiright?
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Today I'm kind of starting to wonder whether my idea of getting with a girl in Chișinău (was going to be Odessa) and spend part of my time with her and part of my time away on 'business' in the UK is a sound one. Idea was to have kids with her there on the understanding that I would have to be some time away in the UK (perhaps a week or so in UK to every 4-5 weeks in Chișinău) to provide for the family. During this time I would mostly be visiting my family in the UK, Mother, Brother, etc. Over time I would generally hoped to move her with kids to the UK once it seemed we were on a sure footing as far as that can practically be.
I'm kind of starting to question whether it would work out in reality or whether it would go pear shaped for me. In life it seems it's so easy to make a bad turn and life go bad. If I look the situation without risk of rose tinted specs the stuff that could go bad could be:
1). She ends up cheating on me with another guy while I'm away.
2). She ends up splitting with me after we have kids together and then gets with some other dude.
3). She wants to stay in Chișinău or doesn't get on in the UK while I want to be in the UK. Possibly I might come not to like being in Chișinău so much after a while.
Possibly some other stuff may go wrong who knows. Just wondering if I should re-evaluate the situation a little. Would be grateful for any input anyone else might have on this.
:trainwreck: :trainwreck: :trainwreck:
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Chișinău not looking quite so good for April now .........
As usual, our OP has found another excuse. I am waiting for the 'next' country to be mentioned. Only a few left to fantasize about!!!
That blow-up doll is looking awfully attractive now!!!)))
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Today I'm kind of starting to wonder whether my idea of getting with a girl in Chișinău (was going to be Odessa) and spend part of my time with her and part of my time away on 'business' in the UK is a sound one. Idea was to have kids with her there on the understanding that I would have to be some time away in the UK (perhaps a week or so in UK to every 4-5 weeks in Chișinău) to provide for the family. During this time I would mostly be visiting my family in the UK, Mother, Brother, etc. Over time I would generally hoped to move her with kids to the UK once it seemed we were on a sure footing as far as that can practically be.
I'm kind of starting to question whether it would work out in reality or whether it would go pear shaped for me. In life it seems it's so easy to make a bad turn and life go bad. If I look the situation without risk of rose tinted specs the stuff that could go bad could be:
1). She ends up cheating on me with another guy while I'm away.
2). She ends up splitting with me after we have kids together and then gets with some other dude.
3). She wants to stay in Chișinău or doesn't get on in the UK while I want to be in the UK. Possibly I might come not to like being in Chișinău so much after a while.
Possibly some other stuff may go wrong who knows. Just wondering if I should re-evaluate the situation a little. Would be grateful for any input anyone else might have on this.
Hoooooooly nuckerfuts... Damn man.. you are seriously attached to some dream of a fantasy.. or fantasy of a dream.
You're already thinking about kids, her cheating on you, et al. That's so ridiculous it's hilarious. Just go.. and have fun. THAT IS IT. No expectations except to enjoy the process. No pressure (on her OR yourself). Get laid upside down on the roof. Whatever. The main thing is to GO. 8)
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Trench, that mindset will ensure you do not succeed. It will become a self fulfilling prophecy, because that's what you expect. Nevertheless, I believe FSUW-WM marriages to have a higher rate of failure than WW-WM marriages. There's even a study here years ago, if you want to look it up. I think it's over 50%. There may be many reasons for that, but it is what it is.
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guyz without a LOT of relationship experience
wil have a REALLY tough communication problem (of not really being able to) with a foreign woman
linguistic/cultural issues are added on top of the problem of your limited understanding and response to handling conflict and anger, cuz you're cluless on this subject, due to lack of "on the job training"
therefor, you're not only at risk of failure in acquiring a girl friend, even if you succeed, your lack of experience, puts the relationship itself at risk of failure
you have to fail many times before you succeed
but then once you learn how to succeed, you will never again fail
I use all the techniques I learned for "raising" my 15 yr younger wife towards raising my 2 daughters
and I use the same principles to interact with other Russian wimmin I depend on like my "advokat" in Moscva
how successful are my techniques?
a bevy of women dote on me
it's unfair that one guy should get SO MUCH
while so many guys get SO LITTLE
but believe it or not a small percentage of guys (something like 20%) is having MOST of the sex with multiple female sex partners
while the majority of guys are having NO SEX
oh wait....
I forgot, you already knew that, based upon your own empiracal observations
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. . . while the majority of guys are having NO SEX . . .
Not even close to the actual situation.
My estimate is 10-20 percent of guys aged 18 to 55 are having no sex.
My estimate also is that for males aged 14-25, 20 percent of the guys are having 90 percent of the sex with females. This is the corollary with the rest of the animal kingdom where dominant males perform all the sex acts with females.
Then at some age for males, societal norms start to intrude on the normal behavior in the human strand of the animal kingdom.
Many females start to want to get married . . . to one man.
Many other females stop agreeing to have sex with a male who is having sex with 10-20 other females.
These desires by females open up the opportunities for previously sex deprived males to have sex.
The institution of marriage was created thousands of years ago in many societies to cut down on the violence perpetrated by testosterone driven males who were denied a sexual outlet due to the small percentage of males copulating with a large percentage of females.
But in more recent times, a reversal has been occuring. The declining popularaity of marriage and the increase in sexual freedom of females may be causes of the seemingly increased violence of young men.
i.e. a return toward dominance of fewer men having sex with more women . . . and women agreeing to it by their natural attraction to Alpha males together with the freedom to act on this attraction.
Certainly not back to the situation in the wild animal kingdom . . . but moving in that direction ??
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Hoooooooly nuckerfuts... Damn man.. you are seriously attached to some dream of a fantasy.. or fantasy of a dream.
You're already thinking about kids, her cheating on you, et al. That's so ridiculous it's hilarious. Just go.. and have fun. THAT IS IT. No expectations except to enjoy the process. No pressure (on her OR yourself). Get laid upside down on the roof. Whatever. The main thing is to GO. 8)
I guess I could go over there and go do that just for the fun of it. I've kind of dropped the idea of anything serious with a girl as above, was kind of putting a bit of pressure on myself with that anyway I guess. Could be fun doing the role of a sex tourist :D many desperate women for that one and they should be alright for that.
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Trench, that mindset will ensure you do not succeed. It will become a self fulfilling prophecy, because that's what you expect. Nevertheless, I believe FSUW-WM marriages to have a higher rate of failure than WW-WM marriages. There's even a study here years ago, if you want to look it up. I think it's over 50%. There may be many reasons for that, but it is what it is.
You're right if I'm always looking out for that, if it's always in my mind it can probably cause it by my mind interpreting stuff that happens in that way. Much the same as suspicions of trust can snowball and destroy a relationship.
As you say it's a high figure, I think it's something where if zi ever went serious with a FSW I would have to do so knowing the success rate isn't high and be ready to take a punt at it all the same and not worry about it, that I accept whatever comes, comes.
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guyz without a LOT of relationship experience
wil have a REALLY tough communication problem (of not really being able to) with a foreign woman
linguistic/cultural issues are added on top of the problem of your limited understanding and response to handling conflict and anger, cuz you're cluless on this subject, due to lack of "on the job training"
therefor, you're not only at risk of failure in acquiring a girl friend, even if you succeed, your lack of experience, puts the relationship itself at risk of failure
you have to fail many times before you succeed
but then once you learn how to succeed, you will never again fail
I use all the techniques I learned for "raising" my 15 yr younger wife towards raising my 2 daughters
and I use the same principles to interact with other Russian wimmin I depend on like my "advokat" in Moscva
how successful are my techniques?
a bevy of women dote on me
it's unfair that one guy should get SO MUCH
while so many guys get SO LITTLE
but believe it or not a small percentage of guys (something like 20%) is having MOST of the sex with multiple female sex partners
while the majority of guys are having NO SEX
oh wait....
I forgot, you already knew that, based upon your own empiracal observations
There is probably that behind it Krim, as we know many guys who go out to the FSU and fail give up, some so called 'suceed' first time or so but that's just the start of it, the relationship succeeding is another matter. It could well be a case of knowing that relationships may fail a lot and getting up, moving on and learning from those failures as you say. I've kind of learnt a bit from the failures of the few girls that I met out there. With Kherson girl I believe we both had trust issues and read into everything in a bad way that snowballed for both of us and destroyed the relationship. I was too eager for sex and that I don't think helped. With the girl I met in Lviv I put my foot in it during conversation in several different ways as I lacked knowledge of how FSW are and that screwed that one up. Other girls I met it was other stuff. Had I had a better idea of what I was doing I could have potentially made a success of those relationships. That's not to say though that I would have screwed it up another way but not knowing some other stuff.
So I guess I've got a better take on it now but as can be seen here I can probably be my own worst enemy on stuff and fall down on that.
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Not even close to the actual situation.
My estimate is 10-20 percent of guys aged 18 to 55 are having no sex.
My estimate also is that for males aged 14-25, 20 percent of the guys are having 90 percent of the sex with females. This is the corollary with the rest of the animal kingdom where dominant males perform all the sex acts with females.
Then at some age for males, societal norms start to intrude on the normal behavior in the human strand of the animal kingdom.
Many females start to want to get married . . . to one man.
Many other females stop agreeing to have sex with a male who is having sex with 10-20 other females.
These desires by females open up the opportunities for previously sex deprived males to have sex.
The institution of marriage was created thousands of years ago in many societies to cut down on the violence perpetrated by testosterone driven males who were denied a sexual outlet due to the small percentage of males copulating with a large percentage of females.
But in more recent times, a reversal has been occuring. The declining popularaity of marriage and the increase in sexual freedom of females may be causes of the seemingly increased violence of young men.
i.e. a return toward dominance of fewer men having sex with more women . . . and women agreeing to it by their natural attraction to Alpha males together with the freedom to act on this attraction.
Certainly not back to the situation in the wild animal kingdom . . . but moving in that direction ??
I think you're right ML, you're a clever guy. When I look around myself I see society getting into more and more a state. Not just me but many, many people are getting in a bad way out there, many worse of than me, at the moment. I'm not really talking about those that have succeeded, those with some measure of success, a sane enough lifestyle, good bonds, good friendships, etc but those where stuff, society is broken down for them and they are left in a bad place. In the UK many places mostly in poor areas, but increasingly spreading out where relationships just don't work anymore meaning society just doesn't work anymore.
It seems to be a downward decent gathering momentum, fast. I'm not sure how long it will be before society starts to break up for all/most of us as we have known it. The Police can only handle so much, then there is the social disintegration of the functionality of society. That above all else I think may be the biggest thing that society starts to become unfunctioning as people see less and less reason to bother to keep going. The growing violence in society is just one aspect of it all. We've all seen the growing number of mass shootings in the US now a regular phenomena where a decade or so ago it was the odd stand out event. I think big destructive stuff like that will continue to happen and spread. Just the other day I was watching a video of some transvestite dude dressed sort of as a woman hack a couple of shoppers up in a convenience store up with an axe, think it was the US again, but kind of shows how messed up stuff is becoming out there. Bad psychological issues with societal change self harming its citizens. That I put down to changing the role models of women with getting women career minded and in so doing so undermining the guys position and eventually overturning everything. In changing that many thing were changed and it caused massive imbalance in relationships and how we view each other. If society stops working for enough people then it all starts to break down. Globalisation I think too has had massive negative effects on society and undermines a lot.
The 10 percent (some say 20 percent but who knows) of men getting 90 percent of the women that you state ML is probably somewhere near the truth. I've been in on other forums and guys complain no end on them of not being able to get women and not knowing why. In the UK there is a forum called, 'The Student Room' it has a Relationships section and no end of posts on there from guys all the time on that subject. Guys are just finding it very hard to get with women while a few guys are inundated with them (lucky them), but it's creating havoc for society, women just going around being used for sex by the same few guys with something that attracts them, many guys just not getting anything much at all. Then of course there are the girls who are fat and unattractive waiting for a guy to become desperate enough to get with them, few do of course. That's another issue of obesity in society. Men don't like it in women and women don't like it in men yet many women that are obese want a man who isn't and we all know how most men feel about obese women.
Anyhow, the bottom line is as you rightly suggest ML is that no good is coming of all of this, birth rates have plummeted and discontent is starting to reach epic proportions. It's really a ticking time bomb and people are increasingly on the edge in western society and about to teeter over.
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I think also conversely there's a case for a kind of 'only so many women (20, 30 percent?) getting interest from the majority of men' in the West also. I know I tend to be attracted to what as visually the hottest women and most other men probably are also. They probably feel like film stars walking around lol.
The more you go down the looks spectrum with women the harder it probably is for them. Some don't help themselves by not dressing in a feminine way or by keeping trim. I recall one conversation I overheard a few years back in a uni library. This girl was talking to the old librarian dude, she was coming to the end of her course, hadn't gotten into a relationship with any guy and the consensus was between them that there was then just the choice of living alone or moving back in with the parents. Neither of course a place where any young person wants to be. Think the girl was okish looking not massively overweight but not the type to excite most guys. Thing is a lot of the old girl's dressing up to please guys like it used to be in the West isn't as popular these days. Anyhow, just kind of goes to show how society isn't working for many people these days. That kind of social situation is likely a black hole where self destruction is going to go down at some point. My guess is that she moved back in with her parents to delay all that.
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I want to try to clarify somewhat (might be impossible to do) my earlier statements:
"The declining popularaity of marriage and the increase in sexual freedom of females may be causes of the seemingly increased violence of young men. i.e. a return toward dominance of fewer men (the Alpha's) having sex with more women . . . and women agreeing to it by their natural attraction to Alpha males together with the freedom to act on this attraction."
I am implying that the increased sexual freedom of females has led to increased violence of young men who are not having sex with females.
But I want to state that I am not blaming females for this centuries old natural attraction to Alpha males.
It is merely the mirror of males centuries old attraction to the visual physical attributes of females (to the dismay, anger and ridicule [men are so shallow !] of many females).
This natural attraction of females to Alpha males has been suppressed (for most females) by societal norms for most recent centuries . . . until the sexual revolution.
Do I have a solution to this situation? Not really.
However, a return to a strongly marriage based monogamous worldwide societal order might be a solution ? !
Males with a reliable sexual outlet (with females or males, as the case may be) are less violent.
Females might be the losers, as they give up some of their 'relatively' new sexual freedom and suppress their centuries old natural instinct to copulate only with Alpha males. But are many (most) females regularly doing this suppression anyway ?
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Thing is ML it's not a pleasant to to make that females wanting 'more' by getting into the workplace in competition with men, equal pay and the rest is causing all of this societal breakdown. Feminists kicks off about it.
Yet it remains the case that when most/all men earn't more, a third more or perhaps even more, it made most men look powerful to a woman. That's what women want! A man who looks powerful, status.
Those women then get with the men and satisfy those men with sex. If the men are earning equal or less than the woman then unless they are attractive looking, gym bod, good socially etc they won't be picked by those women and those men won't get sex. Then as you state the violence will ensue particularly those with more testosterone. The more they see themselves as shut out and off little chance the more frustrated they become.
The guys that have enough of what a woman want then are inundated with girls, so much so sone of them that it can become a problem. Many may wish to be loyal to one girl to be in a monogamous loving relationship, but then hey ho! Up pops a girl with keen interest on them also, then another, then another. Kid in a sweetie shop mentality is then almost push onto the guy as his libedo struggles to refuse such women. He cheats, relationship breaks down and he struggles to end up in a monogamous loving relationship. Instead he's hooked on one night of hot sex after another with many different women.
That's what I mean by it unbalancing it all.
That's just one aspect though, the main one, but if you look at other aspects there's other issues. Housing for example, a woman often wants a guy to live alone not with parents and preferably have his own house. When my Sister in her early thirties divorced her first husband after nine years together and no children and looking for a new guy she turned around and said, 'why are all the men so pathetic!' - they didn't have a house the owned (even if on a mortgage) or they weren't in a good (well paying) job or they were so boring, etc. She eventually found another guy and all's good enough there but the point remains that she had her own house and was cheesed of that most guys didn't. Back in the day it would be the guy that had the house or the guy would get one with the girl but his salary would be what the mortgage was based off. Conversely couples in the UK are now complaining that they can't have the children they want as they can't afford them as they are paying so much for housing.
So more and more bad situations with nothing quite adding up like it used to under the old traditional system.
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first book ya'll shoulda read was "Future Shock" written over 50 yrs ago, it was tryin to describe "today's world" for ya'll....
a world where more and more young people have to live with their parents, cuz their income doesn't allow them to support themselves in "today's" economy
a world where men didn't fare as well as women in terms of education, and the resulting low incomes they earned as a result
the sum of all the economic changes over the last 50 years has devalued low income males far more than it has women
web sites like "tinder" make it easier for "alphas" to succeed, but doesn't give "betas" much help, cuz they don't "present" themselves well visually or have "virtue" signals, etc, cuz they is poor
rather than raging at the "unfairness" of the world that has demoted you, and you should realize what a waste of time that would be
instead, focus on lifting yourself up
we already told ya that yes, you are your own worst enemy Trench, you made very "unoptimal" choices in your life, and those choices left you where you are
now you're up against the clock Trench
the hourglass drips sand every day
instead of "Future Shock" I'd recommend Thoreau's "Walden Pond" for you Trench
to show you how one man, alone, can find happiness in nature, by denying his desires(materialism), very Zen Buddhist for a 19th century Anglo-American
otherwise Trench, you gonna remain in the army of poor men who are living lives of quiet desperation
Trench, if you are so apathetic about your own life
how can you expect some woman to find you attractive?
BTW, the changes that are a'comin are FAR more consequential than what passed these last 50 yr
in numeris veritas
all the excesses of the 20th century
will be completely over by the end of this century
the USA will probably have a new currency, but may still be called "Dollar"
Weimar Germany is a good example of what will happen
I collect currency from the period of financial collapse in Germany after WWI
looking at the debt and fed balance sheet
the numbers say something like that will EVENTUALLY happen here
and the debt was caused by the rich influencing congress to reduce their taxes
by putting spending they benefited from on the gov "credit card"
and get poor people to pay it off
one day ya'll gonna realize that the "masters" are unnecessary
and ya'll have your Louis XVI moment, and realize the masters are the ones who are causing all your misfortune
Trump will be the first master guillotined in the USA
but I hope not the last
I so much would've liked to have experienced the French Revolution at "place de la concorde"
up close....
hmmmmmm delicious....
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Tinder is actually an easy one Krim, that is for those guys with Gym Bods. As said before I did a fake profile briefly, I didn't click on anyone or interact, just to see what the 'competition' was like on there. Basically a lot of guys that are gym rats, they live and breathe in the gym, hang out there all day and most of their photos are from the gym. There's only one reason why so many gym guys what put their profile on tinder and that would be because they are getting some. Otherwise no reason for such a disproportionate representation of the cross section of society on there.
Then of course the occasional 'everyday guy' on there. In fairness I could see why the girls on there would pass over the 'everyday guy' as even as a guy such a guy doesn't compare well to the gym guys. I put my two best photos on there that can land me interest from many a decent woman in the FSU, on Tinder in the UK, only a couple of scraggy looking women past their sell by date, ugly at its worst.
The women on there, well so many looking like they are after the Instagram influencer lifestyle, lots of fake tan, fake eyelashes, loads of makeup overdone, hair with a kind of unnatural semi-curl put in, posh designer handbag, designer clothes, probably suit like, designer stuff possibly fake. Then photographed somewhere posh as if that's where she normally resides. Sure they'll go for a rich dude or expect that lifestyle but most end up going for a gym rat being humped by him and then unceremoniously ditched for the next girl, rinse and repeat. They then complain that all the guys want in there is sex when really all the guys they go for are gym rats that want sex.
Generally you have to be fairly wealthy to have the time to dedicate to gym workout. That or be athletic orientated such as being a footballer, rugby star, other sports stuff. In fairness in the UK you could sit on the dole and go down the gym frequently some do but the moment you start work unless it's jumping and heaving work that isn't that common these days those muscles are going to go pretty fast - welcome to ordinary guy world again. In the UK now the unemployed claiming benefit are increasingly being given hassle to prove they are looking for work all the time so those days may possibly well be ending.
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Not even close to the actual situation.
My estimate is 10-20 percent of guys aged 18 to 55 are having no sex.
My estimate also is that for males aged 14-25, 20 percent of the guys are having 90 percent of the sex with females. This is the corollary with the rest of the animal kingdom where dominant males perform all the sex acts with females.
I can't find articles that match your age groups. There aren't as many public studies
on the sex habits of those under 18 and NONE that I can find from 14-25. I did find
this.
Nearly 1 in 3 young men in the US report having no sex, study finds
http://news.iu.edu/live/news/26924-nearly-1-in-3-young-men-in-the-us-report-having-no
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I can't find articles that match your age groups. There aren't as many public studies
on the sex habits of those under 18 and NONE that I can find from 14-25. I did find
this.
Nearly 1 in 3 young men in the US report having no sex, study finds
http://news.iu.edu/live/news/26924-nearly-1-in-3-young-men-in-the-us-report-having-no
Doesn't surprise me,but sounds about right. I thought they overplayed the pandemic situation a bit on the findings. I think most even during the pandemic would have got it on if they wanted to. I'm pretty sure that's an accurate reflection of society these days or near as. One third of young men not having sex in that age group is huge, even around previous figures of around 20 percent is large in reality.
So ML's point on male frustration and hence violence due to lack of sexual activity is likely true I reckon.
The thing is in theory if a load of men jumped up and went out and raped women to fulfill their sexual urges what then? I doubt any nation has the capacity to bang up a third or more of it's male population, never mind the economic fall off and cost of doing so. That's of course if any of the men went willingly without putting up a fight, etc. The more men that would do so under such a scenario the more difficult a situation that would be for the state.
That aside I can see such a lack of men not getting any as not going anywhere good for society. At the very least that likely to add up to men not wanting to contribute to society or be very motivated to do much. As was found in the article those least getting any tended to be low income, etc so that correlates to my point that societal change away from the traditional system has led to an imbalance where females will no longer look at those males as they see themselves as a touch above even if they are earning the same sort of money. The modern system we use in the west is fuelling a lot of issues it seems, if we press on regardless down this path as we have been it's only a matter of time before societal collapse and break up occurs it seems.
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Of course add to that figure (the one third) guys that are getting with fatties, ugly girls and girls they are not really interested in just to fill the void. As in they would rather get with anything rather than use their hand or a sex doll no matter how much of a turn off the girl is. So if that was considered as part of the figure then the figure could be as high a half or two thirds or more of men as not really getting the desired sex they want.
Use of prostitutes might also be taken into account, particularly the rise of stuff like Fans Only which was particularly popular during the pandemic. Can we really count guys paying for sex as guys having sex? In theory they are having sex but it's kind of cheating so really we should be talking about consensual non paid for sex but my guess is the figures in the article may not take use of prostitutes into account.
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Also there's probably a fair amount of dudes in that figure that get with girls from other ethnic groups they wouldn't otherwise consider, Asian, Oriental, African, etc. I'm pretty sure that even I for example could get with an Indian girl if I wanted as they would see a white dude as a big elevation up the social ladder, they could have kids that would quite possibly be more white looking, fit in a little more with western culture, etc. Not really my bag I've never gone there but some dudes might especially if just wanting then just for sex.
So the number of guts that can get with a white girl that is decent that they would be happy with for sex probably isn't that high, some will be in proper relationships some one night stands/with benefits situations, etc.
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Trench,
you're stuck looking at this problem as a "sexual fullfillment" issue
it's MUCH bigger than that
if you have a successful marriage, it makes you both stronger facing life's adversities vrs being alone
however, if you ONLY look at wimmin as "sexual objects" then you overlook all the other qualities, which in the long run are of GREATER value
as Mark Twain once said, "I'd never be a member of any club that would accept me as a member"
for you, this would be, "you'd never date a girl on your level" because you wouldn't find her attractive
well..
as ye judge, so are ye judged Trench
listen, to what the world is trying to tell you Trench in so many different ways
but you are deaf and blind Trench
and do not hear or see what's right in freakin front of you
why are you this way?
only you can answer that
the best thing you could do for yourself, is GTF out of yo mama's village
leave your comfort zone and go live in the big city
improve your life
and as if by "an invisible hand" your fortunes will be lifted
physician, learn to "heal thyself"
and go and sin no more
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Trench,
you're stuck looking at this problem as a "sexual fullfillment" issue
it's MUCH bigger than that
if you have a successful marriage, it makes you both stronger facing life's adversities vrs being alone
however, if you ONLY look at wimmin as "sexual objects" then you overlook all the other qualities, which in the long run are of GREATER value
as Mark Twain once said, "I'd never be a member of any club that would accept me as a member"
for you, this would be, "you'd never date a girl on your level" because you wouldn't find her attractive
well..
as ye judge, so are ye judged Trench
listen, to what the world is trying to tell you Trench in so many different ways
but you are deaf and blind Trench
and do not hear or see what's right in freakin front of you
why are you this way?
only you can answer that
the best thing you could do for yourself, is GTF out of yo mama's village
leave your comfort zone and go live in the big city
improve your life
and as if by "an invisible hand" your fortunes will be lifted
physician, learn to "heal thyself"
and go and sin no more
I get that there are more women in a big city Krim but it's not always as easy as that. London for example can be a very lonely place if you don't know anyone. Getting to know people in London is not always easy, some places in London better or worse than others. I've done London but I'm not really a big city person. Could I meet someone there? Possibly but I can do that many places.
The problem is really more the society I am in not favouring what I want. I get what you are saying, look at what there is and be open to it. As at the end of the day there is what there is not what I currently or have been desiring. Some stuff I would be utterly opposed to, fat women just make me balk it's just awful the thought of being in bed with a girl with a load of fat slopping around in a scary and unsightly manner. For me it would be like jumping into bed with a gay guy when I'm straight.
That brings me to other ethnicities, to be honest they are the easy choice, they are easy to get with usually and as long as the guy acts reasonably odds are the relationship would last. African women definitely not for me, too dark and often too vocal sure a few may have their own charm, sone can get a bit large. Asian women well traditionally that's not been an area I was brought up to go, it may not sit all that well but most are at least slim moreso when younger. Oriental women are an easier fit, a great culture, often kind of small and not always that aware but again theoretically an option I guess.
It's not that I have a big racial issue but I'm more one for roughly keeping to the Hispanic scene. I personally think I can potentially do it now in the FSU it's just not always that simple. Even if I got a girl back here it's not necessarily that simple though of course a ethnic girl can't upgrade like an East European can that easily so an ethnic girl in the UK would have that advantage over an East European girl.
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" but it's not always as easy as that"
life NEVER is, but the "truth" is usually on the side of doing the thing that is the most difficult
and your nature is to avoid difficulties
and follow the path of least resistance
and that's pretty much screwed your life
and now you're trying to find the easiest way out of the corner you painted yourself into
not yet realizing that there is none
you have a choice Trench
you can do the hard thing, or you can do the easy thing
one of your problems Trench, you have "no discipline"
I learned it from being in two militaries
what they taught me, saved my life, and instilled within me a strong determination to overcome all the hardships that comes with being a soldier
HUGE difference in me, before the military and after
too late for you to get this kind of training now
OTOH, I would not be the person I am today without it
probably woulda been more like you
if you don't lift yourself up
then your gonna just have to learn to live with the consequnces
don't blame others for this
it's all "on you"
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" but it's not always as easy as that"
life NEVER is, but the "truth" is usually on the side of doing the thing that is the most difficult
and your nature is to avoid difficulties
and follow the path of least resistance
and that's pretty much screwed your life
and now you're trying to find the easiest way out of the corner you painted yourself into
not yet realizing that there is none
you have a choice Trench
you can do the hard thing, or you can do the easy thing
one of your problems Trench, you have "no discipline"
I learned it from being in two militaries
what they taught me, saved my life, and instilled within me a strong determination to overcome all the hardships that comes with being a soldier
HUGE difference in me, before the military and after
too late for you to get this kind of training now
OTOH, I would not be the person I am today without it
probably woulda been more like you
if you don't lift yourself up
then your gonna just have to learn to live with the consequnces
don't blame others for this
it's all "on you"
I disagree Krim, you go ask Stirlitz if he's still among us how he is doing? On the other forum (I tend not to do that forum as don't have time to do two FSU forums so only look occasionally once every blue moon) he's telling us that he's life is now not really any life, gone south since the Russians took over Crimea and more so due to this war. Here back in December I think he tells us that he only had had one terp job in the last six months. So he is not doing at all well, his place in Crimea long gone and now living in poverty in Odessa last we heard with air sirens going off and missiles raining down on a frequent basis.
So you go tell him it's not about his situation it's him and that his military service training should be making him coming up smelling of roses even during all of that.
Krim you got lucky my man, I'm not saying your time in the military was easy but many people's time who didn't go in the military isn't easy. People not in the military are not assured regular pay, any little screw up, disliking of their boss/employer, bad economic times and bang their goes their job, their income, and possibly any decent lifestyle. In the military you are shielded from all of that, you have to screw up really badly or make a real pain in the backside of yourself for them to kick you out (dishonourable discharge). In the US they have even more crazy money than in the UK to spend on their troops by sending them to Uni's funded by them, etc. Most troops want for nothing, they get their Accommodation paid for free of charge, good income, good military pensions. If you get up to Officer rank the income, pensions etc are even better.
The reason I did not go for the military was/is that I am Anti-Monarchist. In the UK if you are in the military you have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown and of course out up with any visitations they make. There no way I am swearing any oath of allegiance to that lot, principles mean something to me.
In any case I saw that I could make a go off life outside of the military, I could go to Uni and get qualified without needing the military. That is what I did, sure it didn't turn out to be a well paying situation but most people make mistakes in life. There were plenty of other students on my course making that same mistake not just me. I had no inkling that a few years down the line mass immigration from Eastern Europe would come and with it flat wages and extortionate house prices. I had no inkling that women would put economic matters at the top of importance as a result, etc.
As 2tallbill's article shows it is not just me but a wide spread problem in western countries, one third of young guys at the height of their sexual activity years just can't get laid for the love of it. I suggest that in reality others are taking choices they wouldn't ordinarily take if the women they get with.
The UK is not the 'Land of Opportunity' Krim, it's a heavily competitive country over low paid work. Any well paid number in the offing and loads of people want in. A few people will get very well paid but not many. In the US beyond poverty level society there is the incentive of well paid work and the chance to get in, in the UK that is not the case. I can't go to the US as it's extremely difficult to get a Visa. They don't favour UK guys any more that was decades ago. So I am here in the UK and being one of most people who can't land a very well paid job I go for the property scene, it's one of the few very high growth areas in the UK that you don't need to be Einstein or very well connected to get into.
Many people try to get on in the UK each day, they place their bets wildly on music or bodybuilding or becoming a celebrity, a sports star, a Stockbroker, etc; or they place their bets more conservatively going for everyday jobs in middle management, human resources, payroll, admin, etc sometimes just anything that will bring in the standard wage without a real headbanging of a day at work each day. Some get lucky but most just survive to live the same over the next day. That's real life in the UK Krim.
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Trench, WTF, war time in Ukraine vrs peace time in the UK
big difference!!!! big difference in anything between ukraine and uk
Luck?
I found my gift at a very young age, naturally gifted in math and science
easy to cultivate this talent - jobs in US and Israeli army as a radar technician
free education, both military and university
and many, many perks, some of which I still receive
like access to vaccines in Israel I could never get in the USA like smallpox for example
(I needed Anthrax and smallpox vaccines for safety in Vozrozhdeniya Island Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan)
after graduation
I was willing to relocate thousands of miles to further my career
and did that multiple times in multiple countries
worked my ass off - sometimes 80 hour weeks, 60+ hours were normal, sometimes had one primary job and part time 2/3 secondary jobs
founded my own company that made me my first million
all before I was 35
in the 90s worked 6 months in cambridge on a contract
back then the average software engineerI I worked with in the UK made about 60,000+ pounds year
don't know what current salary levels are
also knew lots of UK software engineers who pre-brexit could easily work in France, Toulouse being a popular hi-tek spot
what a great life those guys had, I was REALLY envious
but of course, fear of immigrants ruined that opportunity for ya'll
WTF were you thinking being a "history major" and living in a rural village?
guarantees you're gonna be poor, and ya ain't gonna have no girlfriend
you shoulda considered that before making such a choice
or was the outcome a complete surprise?
www.mymommasvillage.com
ain't got no job board, cuz they ain't got no jobs
and ain't got no singles page either
cuz there's like what 5 single women your age there
as the great English philosophers known as the Clash said back in the 80s
my mama's village is drowning, and IIIIIIIIIIII, I live by the river
so WTF, don't live in yo' mama's village by the river
duh....
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I guess I could go over there and go do that just for the fun of it. I've kind of dropped the idea of anything serious with a girl as above, was kind of putting a bit of pressure on myself with that anyway I guess. Could be fun doing the role of a sex tourist :D many desperate women for that one and they should be alright for that.
I didn't state sex tourist -- more like, have fun upside down on the roof. heh... It's always for the fun of it. If you're NOT having fun, and not just sexually, she's not for you.
The point is -- you need practice with women or you'll have your ass handed to you (most likely for trying to please them, be all respectful, blah blah et al, general weak assed nice-guy brainwashed garbage that quite literally repels women). You refuse to approach English babes, so go date abroad just to date. It's a simple flight for you. Hell, you can almost have day trips. :devil: :devil: :devil:
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Trench, WTF, war time in Ukraine vrs peace time in the UK
big difference!!!! big difference in anything between ukraine and uk
Luck?
I found my gift at a very young age, naturally gifted in math and science
easy to cultivate this talent - jobs in US and Israeli army as a radar technician
free education, both military and university
and many, many perks, some of which I still receive
like access to vaccines in Israel I could never get in the USA like smallpox for example
(I needed Anthrax and smallpox vaccines for safety in Vozrozhdeniya Island Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan)
after graduation
I was willing to relocate thousands of miles to further my career
and did that multiple times in multiple countries
worked my ass off - sometimes 80 hour weeks, 60+ hours were normal, sometimes had one primary job and part time 2/3 secondary jobs
founded my own company that made me my first million
all before I was 35
in the 90s worked 6 months in cambridge on a contract
back then the average software engineerI I worked with in the UK made about 60,000+ pounds year
don't know what current salary levels are
also knew lots of UK software engineers who pre-brexit could easily work in France, Toulouse being a popular hi-tek spot
what a great life those guys had, I was REALLY envious
but of course, fear of immigrants ruined that opportunity for ya'll
WTF were you thinking being a "history major" and living in a rural village?
guarantees you're gonna be poor, and ya ain't gonna have no girlfriend
you shoulda considered that before making such a choice
or was the outcome a complete surprise?
www.mymommasvillage.com
ain't got no job board, cuz they ain't got no jobs
and ain't got no singles page either
cuz there's like what 5 single women your age there
as the great English philosophers known as the Clash said back in the 80s
my mama's village is drowning, and IIIIIIIIIIII, I live by the river
so WTF, don't live in yo' mama's village by the river
duh....
I know of people that have earned that sort of money and a little above in IT. I didn't know back when I chose History how much they made. That said those I know of have been very good at Maths, exactly what level is needed I don't know precisely. I did better than expected with my Maths GCSE, I got a B, the highest I could get on the paper we were put in for, for the Set (Maths Group) I was in. I think I must have aced that exam paper as my Maths coursework was only D/C level (the coursework made up 50 percent of the mark, exam the other 50 percent). In the exam I kind of felt that I was progressing well and finished all questions but knew that sometimes when you think you've done well you haven't but luckily for me I had.
So, after getting my results a few months later I decided to give A Level Maths a try, along with History & Business Studies A Level. I didn't last long at the Maths (I think it was both pure & applied whatever that meant) I lasted about six weeks with each week sessions me trying to follow, it was fast paced. It was also stuff I had never done before, Quadratics, Simultaneous Equations, Calculus, are the names I can remember, much harder than the Algebra & Trigonometry stuff I had done at GCSE. I was getting about 1 out of 10 questions or 2 out of 20 questions right on the tests at the end of the sessions. I was out of my depth and new if I continues it wasn't going to end with a pass in two years time. So instead I switched to Sociology, yes I know another subject like History that doesn't usually pay well.
Some of the guts in the A Level Maths were really quick of the mark and got off on the whole fast pace if it all I think. Many of them were also doing A Level IT, I gather from what I heard that was not an easy one. I didn't go for A Level IT as I did not choose GCSE IT as an option in High School. My father I think it was did not think I would be up to it as my Sister had struggled and she was seen as more hard working than me. However my Sister did not have a computer at home, I did and she really didn't have great interest in computing, think the term nerd was used :-\
So would I have been capable of making it in IT???
GCSE level in IT I think I could have potentially have got, A Level IT perhaps a lot more questionable. You would likely have a better idea than I on the level of Maths needed for IT and whether I would be in the frame.
I've heard that Algebra may be handy for it and I've did a few lines of the most very basic tapping out of code on my computer at home way back in the 90s as a kid, it's strange stuff. I never really got a good take on it though as back then it was all hoccus poccus looking and feeling and understanding what all this coding stuff was about was kind of a mystery. It was like copying a load of code out of a magazine or book, not knowing what most it meant and hoping something would happen at the end of it, sometimes possibly often nothing at all. So it really was pretty arcane feeling.
Anyhow, yes IT became one of the areas you could earn a lot and probably still is in the UK. If you don't have the high enough Maths skills then you're screwed I assume in terms of getting into that field. Other than IT though and the stuff I've already mentioned that is about where most of the good money is. Business it is hard to make money as everyone else is at it unless you find a niche that works out well or just get plain lucky.
So that brings us to Brexit, yes I can see if you're an IT guy earning a lot of money and doing it abroad somewhere pleasant and warm then it's all good for you. However, IT guys are a very small minority of Brits, very small in number of the UK workforce. Most of the UK workforce work in jobs that anyone could do or sit in a training course that most would understand to do. Makes no sense then going abroad to earn the same or less plus need to speak fluently in a foreign language. It makes sense however to close the door on a huge crowd of East Europeans able to do the same everyday work, flattening wages and filling up accommodation raising house prices and rent. So all depends where your bread is buttered I guess.
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I didn't state sex tourist -- more like, have fun upside down on the roof. heh... It's always for the fun of it. If you're NOT having fun, and not just sexually, she's not for you.
The point is -- you need practice with women or you'll have your ass handed to you (most likely for trying to please them, be all respectful, blah blah et al, general weak assed nice-guy brainwashed garbage that quite literally repels women). You refuse to approach English babes, so go date abroad just to date. It's a simple flight for you. Hell, you can almost have day trips. :devil: :devil: :devil:
I know I was just joking ;D
Though in a way it's not such a bad way to think about it to take away from putting any pressure on. I know what you mean though, just go over there and date for fun (in a not necessarily sex way). If nothing much comes off it then just go from there rather than trying to think several steps ahead as I've been doing and worrying about a load of stuff that might never come to pass anyway. I think that the way I'll go about it Daveman, I think you're pretty much right and don't worry about the rest.
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Trench, it could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning or cautionary tale to others
if that's the case, then you've done well, despite having more issues than the London Times (dawg, I miss the Sun's Page 3 girls)
there IS NO easy way out for you - stop wasting your time tryin to find one
either do the hard work you need to do
or accept who you are and learn to live with it
make whatever choice suits you
but stop tryin to get somethin for nothin
in Chinese (cantonese, don't know mandarin version) there is a sayin WEI WU WAY - means nothing for nothing i.e. if you offer nothing in exchange you get nothing in return....
don't you see how this works
if what you're offering is of so little value, why do expect to receive a high price for it?
hopeful optimism? or ignorance of the situation you're in in?
maybe a better idea, is to lower your price
and switch to a better bigger market
but yo mama's village market and a couple of times checkin out ukraine/moldovan market
is not really a serious effort at marketing yourself trench
but you are resistant to making any changes in yourself
cuz of your laziness
you prefer to "take things easy" as opposed to performing hard effort especially a mental one
and choose the EZ path and you think that's the optimum path cuz it's the easiest
this is ALWAYS the FLAW IN YOUR THINKING
to a Russian/Ukrainian woman ain't nothin worse than that
I guarantee ya a russian woman will be even WAY more critical of you than me
yes, yes, poor trench, so unfair...I know... there...there...
dry your eyes of tears Trench
declare war on who you are and fight for victory, like your life depends on it
cuz, well, it does, actually
me bruv, listen
you need to see and understand what this poor messanger is tellin ya
inspire yourself to do better, what do you have to really lose by trying to change who you are, compared to the risk of remaining as you are?
see my point?
do the difficult thing and not the easiest
ACT, take action, and stop day dreamin about hot Ukrainian wimmin as a substitute
cuz you can't get NO SATISFACTION
you can't get you NO
SATISFACTION
and you TRIED, and you TRIED, and you TRIED
but you can't get ya no SATISFACTION
many appy polly loggies to Mr Jagger
'aye laddie, aye once trod 'neath the bells O' St Michaels
di you know I'm a key holding member of the Disraeli Society in London with full club privileges (haven't been since before covid)
I locked up my pass key in a safe, but I got so high I don't remeber which one or i'd show it to you
good thing i'm retiring a couple of months from now
cuz due to a history of extensive drug abuse
i've forgotten a lotta stuff
which was the whole point of takin drugs in the first place
so ain't gonna feel bat a'tall
cuz it did EXACTLY what I wanted
but kids...
don't DO drugs, and stay in school, OK?
(boomers like me need ya'll to pay our pensions)
don't worry YOU won't get a pension, so your children won't have to support the last generation like you do
i'm sure that's a big relieft to hear
it is to ME!!! LOL!!!
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Trench, it could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning or cautionary tale to others
if that's the case, then you've done well, despite having more issues than the London Times (dawg, I miss the Sun's Page 3 girls)
there IS NO easy way out for you - stop wasting your time tryin to find one
either do the hard work you need to do
or accept who you are and learn to live with it
make whatever choice suits you
but stop tryin to get somethin for nothin
in Chinese (cantonese, don't know mandarin version) there is a sayin WEI WU WAY - means nothing for nothing i.e. if you offer nothing in exchange you get nothing in return....
don't you see how this works
if what you're offering is of so little value, why do expect to receive a high price for it?
hopeful optimism? or ignorance of the situation you're in in?
maybe a better idea, is to lower your price
and switch to a better bigger market
but yo mama's village market and a couple of times checkin out ukraine/moldovan market
is not really a serious effort at marketing yourself trench
but you are resistant to making any changes in yourself
cuz of your laziness
you prefer to "take things easy" as opposed to performing hard effort especially a mental one
and choose the EZ path and you think that's the optimum path cuz it's the easiest
this is ALWAYS the FLAW IN YOUR THINKING
to a Russian/Ukrainian woman ain't nothin worse than that
I guarantee ya a russian woman will be even WAY more critical of you than me
yes, yes, poor trench, so unfair...I know... there...there...
dry your eyes of tears Trench
declare war on who you are and fight for victory, like your life depends on it
cuz, well, it does, actually
me bruv, listen
you need to see and understand what this poor messanger is tellin ya
inspire yourself to do better, what do you have to really lose by trying to change who you are, compared to the risk of remaining as you are?
see my point?
do the difficult thing and not the easiest
ACT, take action, and stop day dreamin about hot Ukrainian wimmin as a substitute
cuz you can't get NO SATISFACTION
you can't get you NO
SATISFACTION
and you TRIED, and you TRIED, and you TRIED
but you can't get ya no SATISFACTION
many appy polly loggies to Mr Jagger
'aye laddie, aye once trod 'neath the bells O' St Michaels
di you know I'm a key holding member of the Disraeli Society in London with full club privileges (haven't been since before covid)
I locked up my pass key in a safe, but I got so high I don't remeber which one or i'd show it to you
good thing i'm retiring a couple of months from now
cuz due to a history of extensive drug abuse
i've forgotten a lotta stuff
which was the whole point of takin drugs in the first place
so ain't gonna feel bat a'tall
cuz it did EXACTLY what I wanted
but kids...
don't DO drugs, and stay in school, OK?
(boomers like me need ya'll to pay our pensions)
don't worry YOU won't get a pension, so your children won't have to support the last generation like you do
i'm sure that's a big relieft to hear
it is to ME!!! LOL!!!
That I absolutely do believe.
However, what am I supposed to do?
Get into IT at my age??? I'm guessing to get to the top level stuff I would have to need A Level Maths, the real hardcore stuff.
Remember the UK is not the US, there are only so many good gigs to get at and all of them with people wishing they could get in. Top IT stuff like you done likely requires sh*t hot Maths & IT skills like you have. Most people don't have a mind that can do hard high level maths stuff. Most people if you ask them out on the streets hated maths, sone more than others. I never minded it at all but while I'm better than many I doubt whether I could master hard A Level Maths stuff. Even if I did there is also training up in IT side of it as well I presume to make use of it. Then there is whether I could stand the job.
You of course Krim are Autistic with a genetic gift for Maths (and hence IT). That means you can get into that top IT stuff that most other people can't. They can't as if they remotely could those top IT jobs wouldn't pay well at all, Employers would have waiting rooms full of applicants, and the pay would sink to a flat level like most other jobs out there. Imagine that a world of people naturally superb at Maths then where would you be, hmmnn ;)
Other people get other stuff, some naturally superb at sports, tennis, basketball, American football, etc. A few naturally good singers & pretty looking at the same time, etc, etc but they are all in the few rare people that can get in. Ever been to the cinema and look on screen at the movie stars and the credits roll and wish you had that kind of lucky break?
I'm not Actor, Singer, Sports Star and probably no top IT guy. Most people aren't and just have to go with whatever hand they are dealt in life, their not all lazy, some work very hard for very little but where else are they supposed to go? Some are gifted in a field that doesn't pay good money for their gift or is easily exploited, how many good designers have had their idea ripped off? Etc.
You got lucky Krim in that you got some genes that meant you were superb at maths, something that is a limited commodity in society. You could have gotten other genes that meant you wouldn't have been that good then where would you be? Possibly selling some old used cr*p on eBay to pay the rent on a squalid hovel???
I don't doubt FSW want a man to deliver for them and would rather he be out all hours of the day and risk dropping dead than have a bit of free time to relax. I don't really have an answer to that. I can provide a modest house, food, car, and some entertainment, etc but I'm not Master of the Universe. They will just have to accept that and accept I can at least provide more than most FSUM. Not everyone can obtain grandeur and greatness in this world it's just not geared that way.
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Trench,
accordin to some feller named Thomas Edison, genius is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration
which one of those two qualities are you MOST deficient in?
I see...
said the blind man as he reached for his hammer and saw
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Trench,
accordin to some feller named Thomas Edison, genius is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration
which one of those two qualities are you MOST deficient in?
I see...
said the blind man as he reached for his hammer and saw
Krim, not all of us want to spend our time being geeks of the universe. Equally spending 99 percent of your time perspiring you might end up with something useless as to something good. Then that's a lot of wasted time down the toilet. As we are in geek talk mode here let's not forget that Tesler beat Edison and Tesler ended up a poor broke guy in living in some sh*tty room, eventually. So let's not get too carried away by climbing the highest peak.
Anyway, how about you Krim, now your dreams of a future paradise living among Moscow's great and the not so good are in tatters what's your plan now? Remember Chief Kingpin of the Baltics position is still viable ;D
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the geek shall inherit the earth
not through the will of his father
but of his own will
as for me, I shall simply live in some other venue, I have many choices
in the next few yrs plan on leaving Texas and relocating
not firmly set yet in my final destination
it won't be the UK however
likely either Oregon/Washington or north east USA like Vermont, New Hampshire
someplace with a more favorable future climate
the Gulf of Mexico where I live now, will be one the worst places to live when i'm a real old weezer geezer
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In fairness I do kind of take the easy way out but it's only when the rewards are much the same, so kind of makes common sense to me. As to a FSW apart from meeting one to have fun I am on the fence as to whether I would be successful with one in a longer term relationship. Kherson girl's brother apparently was out most of the time working to bring the money in for his other half and their sprog. I got the impression she kind of expected a kind of either bring the money in that she needed/wanted even if it means being out all hours sort of thing. So that would kind of chime with your comment on how FSW might not appreciate my approach to life Krim. Might depend on the FSW in question though maybe.
The divorce statistics of those FSW marrying WM doesn't fill me with confidence. Even the divorce statistics of FSW to FSM is pretty high so divorce I guess is a bit of an issue when looking for a woman over there.
Still I kind of find Ukrainian women can be quite nice and pleasant, often socialable. Often quite nice soft features also, and many quite pretty.
All this talk of Maths & IT kind of got me thinking about stuff that isn't in my usual subject domain. I recalled the time you brought up Ternopil Medical University Krim. Looked it up again and for sure they accept anyone with a pass in Maths & the Sciences from any country Secondary School institution, astonishing!!! I would never have believed a Uni would do that, even in Ukraine. I would never have thought I would be able to access those sort of courses anywhere without high level Maths & Science qualifications. Here in the UK it's very much tickets and tabs, you need so much grade pass at such a level to progress onto a course at the next level and that thereafter, etc, etc.
Some of the chicks look hot on their website, I'm guessing my best bet in theory were I to do such would be to do a Nursing degree there as loads of chicks. The course of course I wouldn't be too concerned about as I would just be there for the girls, that and I'm assuming outside the poorest countries the qualification isn't worth the paper it's written on. So I guess kind of do it for a year to land a decent girl perhaps in theory with travelling back to the UK as needed.
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Trench
you misunderstand what I am
i'm not a geek
i'm a soon to be retired "Biznesman"
and my businesses were mostly criminal (against the law) that used technology as a method
my family has been doing this for centuries (using poultry and mayonaisse biz as cover for bootlegging)
and my children and grandchildren will learn the ways of business from the patriarch (me)
the same way I learned it from my great uncles
who ran the Jewsih mafiya in Philadelphia
i could never live in your world
anymore than you could live in mine
being a criminal is what made Moscow so very interesting for me (it's paradise)
now i'm an aging hobbyist
totally invisible to law enforcement and the intelligence community of well everyone
and I have enough get out of jail cards to fill a cabinet
if ever needed
and the statue of limitations is running down the clock as well
ya'll can't touch me EVER
a sociapth takes great delight in breaking ALL the rules
you get paid twice
once in $$$
and then again in the satisfaction you gain from that reward obtained by breaking the rules
super reinforcer
super motivator
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Trench
you misunderstand what I am
i'm not a geek
i'm a soon to be retired "Biznesman"
and my businesses were mostly criminal (against the law)
my family has been doing this for centuries
and my children and grandchildren will learn the ways of business from the patriarch (me)
the same way I learned it from my great uncles
who ran the Jewsih mafiya in Philadelphia
i could never live in your world
anymore than you could live in mine
being a criminal is what made Moscow so interesting for me
now i'm an aging hobbyist
totally invisible to law enforcement and the intelligence community of well everyone
and I have enough get out of jail cards to fill a cabinet
if ever needed
no worries, be happy
Yeah but you were an IT guy, from what I take it a top IT guy and superb at Maths. I assume that not all that IT work was illegitimate, Intel, your business, etc. So maybe part legit and part not so?
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i woulda been "middle class" if I just worked like a normal salaried person
but I found ways to use the those skills to make WAY more money than what a salary would provide
kinda like a skilled printer who turns to counterfeiting
being a salaried person, is the most inefficient way of earning an income that there is
to some extant, being a salaried worker, is like being a slave with benefits
most successful criminal enterprises have a non-criminal "cover"
so the counterfeiter also prints business cards and that's what the sign says on his shop
but yeah, he's a criminal
you know what makes criminals?
laws!
in Russia, all alcohol production and sales were granted by the czar to his political allies who gave a big cut to the czar
and all those "taxes" made the price of vodka much higher for the poor serfs who wanted to forget their misery for awhile
zhids said "screw that" and clandestinely made and sold their own kosher vodka
so as to not fund the government that was oppressing them
and used it to make enuff to GTF out of Russia
which was a matter of life or death
and still is
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Did you ever think about just doing a legit business, would earn less money but still not necessarily as bad as being salaried staff?
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yes, i've done both...
and sometimes together one conceals the other
my first criminal product in Russia was a russian SIM card cloner back in 1998
half my customers were other criminals who I integrated into my own network
many became repeat clients
Russians loved me, cuz I was so unique to them
and in return I have loved many russians
I have a kinda weird natural affinity for them
I don't really like or appreciate much about contemporary American culture (except for Lana Del Ray - Born to Die is a freakin masterpiece)
most of American "kultura" is fake in a Disneyland kinda way
Russians are authentic, especially when they're being dumb phuques
a part of me feels sympathy for them, which I don't feel for the idiots in the USA
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yes, i've done both...
and sometimes together one conceals the other
my first criminal product in Russia was a russian SIM card cloner back in 1998
half my customers were other criminals who I integrated into my own network
many became repeat clients
Russians loved me, cuz I was so unique to them
and in return I have loved many russians
I have a kinda weird natural affinity for them
I don't really like or appreciate much about American culture
most of which is fake in a Disneyland kinda way
Russians are authentic, especially when they're being dumb phuques
Ah, I see, I remember having my first mobile back around then, a Nokia, one of the main ones, they were much more basic back then seems funny to what we have now lol.
Well, I think a legit business would suit me more, I wouldn't know where to start with illegit stuff and would likely put my foot in it one after another. Not too bothered about great wealth just so long as I can live comfortably enough. I guess being too straight laced can be confining though.
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In our messaging at the end Kherson girl accused me of being a criminal, she said I was a known criminal, lol. Almost kind of offensive after all I done with her. I told her how could that be so if I were going through International Airports. I thought she was saying it because I wouldn't get her a visa to the UK & the conversation was going downhill. Maybe though she really believed it, thought as I had the money to jet around, buy stuff, etc and possibly all the criminal stuff happening around her parts.
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Think I'll go to Chișinău probably in June or July, if I can make it June I will do. Google weather forecast for when I was thinking of going in April is as I thought it might be not quite there on the weather, a 14 or 15 degrees ish and a fair few of the days possibly rain. I'll try as Daveman says and go in a bit more relaxed as whoever I meet will kind of all depend anyway.
Ternopil Med looks something to bear in mind possibly at some point, I'm kind of coming around a little to the concept of that, but with war and all we'll see.
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Trench Navel gazing pretending to be a Chișinău Trip Report. There is no trip. No tickets have
been purchased, no plan is in place and Trench used another 16 pages of cyberspace to pontificate
on his theories of the universe.
Ok, amateur hour over with, time for me to be up :D
Hahahahaha!
So now roughly planning a trip to Chișinău, Moldova. All being well this will be around end of September/beginning of October. Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah
This was for September 2022
My house should roughly be finished then and either have a couple of rooms rented out to students or if I've missed the start of the academic year then possibly not so in which case I mights as well go abroad for a well deserved get away I think. Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah, idiotic theory,
blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, moronic over simplification on how romance works. blah, blah,
blah, adnauseum, forever, Blah, blah, blah, blah, speculation, blah, blah
Not finished yet!
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Trench Navel gazing pretending to be a Chișinău Trip Report. There is no trip. No tickets have
been purchased, no plan is in place and Trench used another 16 pages of cyberspace to pontificate
on his theories of the universe.
Hahahahaha!
This was for September 2022
Not finished yet!
Lol, it will eventually become a trip report, I promise Beel. If in the meantime you need Nurse Trenchie to open up the hatch up there and take a peak inside to check you're ok let me know ;D
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Trench
you misunderstand what I am
i'm not a geek
i'm a soon to be retired "Biznesman"
and my businesses were mostly criminal (against the law) that used technology as a method
my family has been doing this for centuries (using poultry and mayonaisse biz as cover for bootlegging)
and my children and grandchildren will learn the ways of business from the patriarch (me)
the same way I learned it from my great uncles
who ran the Jewsih mafiya in Philadelphia
I get the impression you're not Mafia per se Krim as you might like to think but more working on the side, as you put it supplying services to the Russian Mafia and being opportunist where able. I get the impression in Ukraine & Russia many are opportunist if the possibility arises for them to do so as what can be regarded as Criminal activity as I understand it is a pretty much usual everyday occurrence out in those parts. A guy like yourself with a western passport, contacts, Russian Language, IT savvy, wealth, etc is no doubt a valuable mix out there. Able to dip in and if needs be get out of there fast and tap into some easy quick money making operations.
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yes, finding ways to make myself useful
EZ to do in Russia, with a lot of vital skillsets that are in short supply
better to be a consultant (not required to have tattoos)
now is the ideal time for me to close shop
and wait for the new generation
I just used chatGPT to develop work-arounds for the Corporate Transparency Act
cuz EVERYBODY uses off-shore shell corps
the new generation will be in a totally different, and much more challenging environment
antiquated methods will be replaced by new ones
i'm kind of an architect, who will never live in the buildings he designs
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yes, finding ways to make myself useful
EZ to do in Russia, with a lot of vital skillsets that are in short supply
better to be a consultant (not required to have tattoos)
now is the ideal time for me to close shop
and wait for the new generation
I just used chatGPT to develop work-arounds for the Corporate Transparency Act
cuz EVERYBODY uses off-shore shell corps
the new generation will be in a totally different, and much more challenging environment
antiquated methods will be replaced by new ones
i'm kind of an architect, who will never live in the buildings he designs
I can see the skills you have are likely very handy in Russia. Top IT/Maths skills are in limited supply globally and possibly likely moreso in Russia I'm guessing often a person that naturally has those skills needs decent education also.
Myself I don't really follow the cutting edge tech stuff, while I could I kind of feel it a bit heavy going as it's not really my field. I don't mind IT stuff but the heavier side can be a bit full on for me. A number of years back while I was getting ready for work they had the BBC's tech show on TV, Click,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006m9ry
I recall them talking about bitcoin in the early days. I thought it all a bit silly like computer game currency, so didn't take a lot of notice about them waffling on about it. Had I and bought some (I think I recall them saying it may have not been that straight forward) I could have been very wealthy now :-\ Next time something silly sounding comes along I think I'll buy a few quid of it just in case lol.
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I can make money through a variety of other ways
I worked in my uncles's jewelrey store while going to school
and was really good at sellin to rich old ladies
so I took that skill and bought gold/platinum/gemstones in russia
turned that into jewelry at 300% markup
when you have complete control over invoicing, etc
easy to dodge taxes
as opposed to being a salaried worker
but you have to live ENTIRELY by your own initiative
which isn't in your dna like it is in mine
easier for you to just do a job and collect your paycheck as meager as it is
as opposed to creating your own income which takes MUCH more mental effort
my observation
los americanos are much more into "hustling" for a livin than europeans
we grew up that way, ya'll didn't
it's second nature to us
it seems to me, that the british middle class looks down upon "tradesmen" as being beneath them
but if I were somebody like you being a tradesman in a big city even a poor one like Manchester/Birmingham would provide you a much better independent income
than bein some office boy in yo mama's village
and you can still drive from there to Yo Mama's Village and have tea with mummy and some o them little biscuits ya'll like (not as bad as vegamite, whose idea was that)
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I can make money through a variety of other ways
I worked in my uncles's jewelrey store while going to school
and was really good at sellin to rich old ladies
so I took that skill and bought gold/platinum/gemstones in russia
turned that into jewelry at 300% markup
when you have complete control over invoicing, etc
easy to dodge taxes
as opposed to being a salaried worker
but you have to live ENTIRELY by your own initiative
which isn't in your dna like it is in mine
easier for you to just do a job and collect your paycheck as meager as it is
as opposed to creating your own income which takes MUCH more mental effort
my observation
los americanos are much more into "hustling" for a livin than europeans
we grew up that way, ya'll didn't
it's second nature to us
it seems to me, that the british middle class looks down upon "tradesmen" as being beneath them
but if I were somebody like you being a tradesman in a big city even a poor one like Manchester/Birmingham would provide you a much better independent income
than bein some office boy in yo mama's village
and you can still drive from there to Yo Mama's Village and have tea with mummy and some o them little biscuits ya'll like
Yeah, that's pretty much the case with tradesmen they still aren't generally seen as high status, that alone could be a turn off for some possibly many women. However, sone earn well, Gas Engineers, Roofers, possibly Electricians. Gas & Electric require the proper certification (a 2 yr course or possibly 3). Painting is probably the easiest one and depending on circumstance some pay fairly well. Main issue is getting the work in as much work would tend to go with already established tradesmen. Other issue is that running costs come out of it all, materials, tax, then not all days may have much work. Other main thing is that you're often tied to your locality and can only take breaks away so long as otherwise the jobs go elsewhere.
So for me the better bet is independent income stuff like property. Even the Jewellery stuff you cite isn't bad as you can move around. Selling like you point out tends to be a problem for many Europeans, it is like as you state not in our blood. As I have found and I'm sure many others finding buyers without paying a lot of advertising money tends to be a problem. That or just getting customers in the first place.
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Krim, just kind of wondering how busy do FSW expect their man to be?
I mean even if I was a wealthy guy, wealthy enough to not doing anything, well my guess is that FSW would still want to see me doing stuff? As opposed to leisure stuff day after day.
The question is then I assume, how busy roughly does the typical FSW expect their man to be?
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my wife's nickname for me is "Mr Fixit"
she LOVES ME long time if I fix something in the house
she's a technophobe, so anything technical, computer related, etc well that's my domain as well
in addition to ALL forms of paperwork, like taxes fer instance
also she's REALLY afraid of snakes (and I'm fascinated by them), so I protect her from the wild animals in texas
I do a "catch and release" of snakes, and I had to "bump off" a raccoon that got into our gardening shed and snarled at my woman, he dead now
i do not tolerate man nor beast givin my women ANY kind of grief
women love the men who protect them, no brag, just a fact
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my wife's nickname for me is "Mr Fixit"
she LOVES ME long time if I fix something in the house
she's a technophobe, so anything technical, computer related, etc well that's my domain as well
in addition to ALL forms of paperwork, like taxes fer instance
also she's REALLY afraid of snakes (and I'm fascinated by them), so I protect her from the wild animals in texas
I do a "catch and release" of snakes, and I had to "bump off" a raccoon that got into our gardening shed and snarled at my woman, he dead now
i do not tolerate man nor beast givin my women ANY kind of grief
women love the men who protect them, no brag, just a fact
Ah yeah I'm normally decent enough on the DIY front and fixing problems my Mother often finds many problems for me to fix ;)
Thinking more on the work front, do they expect you to be at it most of the time? I mean can you kind of have a project in the go that will bring in money and they be fine with that or would they expect you to be slavishly working all hours on something or similar out at work all hours for an employer?
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russian woman = "show me the money"
as long as you can take care of her needs, you're a "hirroshi malchick"
failure to do so means you're a lazy plohoi malchick
nothin complicated
my dawg is loyal to me cuz I feed him, same deal
wife and dawg are both affectionate with me
but if I stop feedin them....
Trench, honestly, don't worry about "all this stuff"
it's not gonna ever be relevant to you
that's obvious to us, I wouldn't entertain false hopes that will leave you disappointed
if you don't wanna fix yourself
then you're just gonna have to remain broken
and ain't no woman gonna feel sorry fer ya
life don't work that way
seriously, read "Walden's Pond"
practice self denial, and learn to enjoy all the things that surround you that you never pay attention to
the distance from where you are, to where you wanna be, is so vast, that you'd need one of Elon Musk's Mars rockets to get there
and rather than flapping your arms hoping to escape the pull of gravity to begin your cosmic journey
you're gonna be better off with keeping your feet on the ground
to me, you're the ultimate slacker, in search of slack
and this ain't compatible with finding and keeping a woman
they're opposites of each other
you need to look down the road and see what's down there
consider this, if finding a woman seems like an insurmountable task
what about keeping one (which is much harder)
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russian woman = "show me the money"
as long as you can take care of her needs, you're a "hirroshi malchick"
failure to do so means you're a lazy plohoi malchick
nothin complicated
my dawg is loyal to me cuz I feed him, same deal
wife and dawg are both affectionate with me
but if I stop feedin them....
Trench, honestly, don't worry about "all this stuff"
it's not gonna ever be relevant to you
that's obvious to us, I wouldn't entertain false hopes that will leave you disappointed
if you don't wanna fix yourself
then you're just gonna have to remain broken
and ain't no woman gonna feel sorry fer ya
life don't work that way
seriously, read "Walden's Pond"
practice self denial, and learn to enjoy all the things that surround you that you never pay attention to
the distance from where you are, to where you wanna be, is so vast, that you'd need one of Elon Musk's Mars rockets to get there
and rather than flapping your arms hoping to escape the pull of gravity to begin your cosmic journey
you're gonna be better off with keeping your feet on the ground
to me, you're the ultimate slacker, in search of slack
and this ain't compatible with finding and keeping a woman
they're opposites of each other
you need to look down the road and see what's down there
consider this, if finding a woman seems like an insurmountable task
what about keeping one (which is much harder)
What if I were to come into some money, say a few hundred £ or even a million £, perhaps something like a lottery win or something. I then invest that money and live of the income from the investment, get a good house, car, etc. Would that do it? Be enough to change matters?
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there are no "what ifs"
only "what is"
a nebbish will have nebbish dreams
but he's still a nebbish when he wakes up
any jewish grandma will tell ya what a nebbish means
"He's a nebbish. No money, no prestige, no future"
life is VERY simple Trench
you can't get something for nothin
rather than try to put so much effort into that
you would be better served by trying to make something of your self instead
but you don't wanna do that work
cuz you're a slacker
and you like being that way
that's fine, if that's what you really want
but don't expect to be a slacker and try to claim the rewards of working hard
a slacker's reward is slack
you got what ya wanted
why the remorse over it when you're middle-aged?
you always talk about yur mummy
but never bout yur "da"
there's a story there, i'm sure
no da to kick your ass when you wuz a lad?
and mummy let ya do what ya wanted?
is that it?
or maybe it's society's fault...
alas poor trench, a fellow of infinite jest
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there are no "what ifs"
only "what is"
a nebbish will have nebbish dreams
but he's still a nebbish when he wakes up
any jewish grandma will tell ya what a nebbish means
"He's a nebbish. No money, no prestige, no future"
life is VERY simple Trench
you can't get something for nothin
rather than try to put so much effort into that
you would be better served by trying to make something of your self instead
but you don't wanna do that work
cuz you're a slacker
and you like being that way
that's fine, if that's what you really want
but don't expect to be a slacker and try to claim the rewards of working hard
a slacker's reward is slack
you got what ya wanted
why the remorse over it when you're middle-aged?
you always talk about yur mummy
but never bout yur "da"
there's a story there, i'm sure
no da to kick your ass when you wuz a lad?
and mummy let ya do what ya wanted?
is that it?
or maybe it's society's fault...
alas poor trench, a fellow of infinite jest
Or Google Search :D
Yeah I get the not getting something for nothing bit, makes sense I guess. Even if going down the gym and lifting weights it's going to take time, effort and money but the payoff could well be a hot chick. Same with wealth generation, etc.
Well for me the house conversion should be done in a couple of months so that will free up time, reduce outgoings and shortly thereafter bring in incomings. So that should do a lot for my situation and allow me to progress.
Thing is other than that well as you said earlier I can't live in your world anymore than you can live in mine. UK society is different to the US, the FSU moreso. I'm not saying people don't do dodgies in the UK but they tend to be in certain positions, etc, maybe Russian dirty money, etc. At a more mundane level if a tradesman wanted to avoid paying tax he could be at great risk as they are often in the searchlight of the taxman as they are seen as those that do that stuff. However if a professional such as a teacher worked extra time doing private tuition they are likely to be overlooked for tax as not often highlighted or thought off as an area where tax dodging goes on. Other examples of course abound but in the UK if you get caught dodging tax the financial penalties can be severe depending on case. They tend to claim the worst amount they think you may have dodged and add a really hefty fine. Unless you can prove otherwise then you are stuck with being stung by that. So here you have to be real careful, I'm not saying it doesn't go on but if you slip up then the taxman may end up taking the lot so risky business indeed. As such it's not something I have do or wish to, better to take advantage of the legal schemes out there to not have to pay tax like the Government's Rent a Room allowance for Lodgers, etc Stuff like that gives a fair amount of scope for not paying that much tax but also means you're covered legally also.
I know you think I'm slack and yes there is an element of that but unless I'm going to embark on a venture like you did with your jewellery etc then I'm confining myself to the home market. For me at the moment jumping up and doing that sort of venture isn't my life. At some point in the future who knows but it's not on my radar at the moment. For me not being you I have to make sure I don't land myself in a whole heap of sh*t and make my life far worse than it is. Believe it or not I don't live too bad a life at present all be it girl situation not quite there. In the UK life can get really dire, think in terms of renting squalid holes in the slums, no one for you at all, that's the unfortunate plight many people live in , in the UK, and often with that drug and alcohol and possibly mental health, etc problems.
So I get what you are saying and appreciate it Krim, you're right but I kind of got to not get too carried away at the same time I thank you for your input though it is most useful :)
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and to think you come from the same stock as the "Kray brothers" and English privateers...
WOT happened to you Anglo-Saxons??
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and to think you come from the same stock as the "Kray brothers" and English privateers...
WOT happened to you Anglo-Saxons??
They all got banged up and never saw the light of day again lol
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Lol, it will eventually become a trip report, I promise Beel. If in the meantime you need Nurse Trenchie to open up the hatch up there and take a peak inside to check you're ok let me know ;D
I want to add a poll to this thread. What comes first Christmas or Trenchy's trip.
However, this isn't my thread. I don't want to act like Moby and I don't really have
the energy to spend any effort at this. I've never been to Chișinău but I knew the
sweetest girl from there many, many years ago.
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I want to add a poll to this thread. What comes first Christmas or Trenchy's trip.
However, this isn't my thread. I don't want to act like Moby and I don't really have
the energy to spend any effort at this. I've never been to Chișinău but I knew the
sweetest girl from there many, many years ago.
Oh please do kiss & tell Beel :D
Nothing wrong with a bit of gazing up the naval!
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Well, when I've done the house conversion I could take in a hot Ukrainian Refugee chick :P I would be nice and freely available for her so an easy one without her having to steal me away, I'll have to be careful she doesn't take advantage of me though:
Brits who took in Ukrainians demand tougher background checks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11946489/Ukraine-scammers.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
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you always talk about yur mummy
but never bout yur "da"
there's a story there, i'm sure
no da to kick your ass when you wuz a lad?
and mummy let ya do what ya wanted?
is that it?
or maybe it's society's fault...
alas poor trench, a fellow of infinite jest
A lot of it goes down to societal change in the 90s, unfortunately a time when I was growing up moving through secondary school (high school) eventually to Uni and to work.
In all honesty the 90s is often overlooked in terms of being a time of profound social change but I think there was more social change than any other decade. A lot of that social change was relatively low key to the social change of the 60s & 70s i.e civil rights movement, pop culture, hippies, whatever, but more change nonetheless.
In the 90s there was massive expansion in higher education (uni) in the UK and I'm guessing the same was true in the US. Most high school students who weren't dumb could now go to Uni, you no longer had to be in the top sets, etc. Not just the guys but all the girls as well. Jobs were repackaged as 'careers' and it was made out that if you go for a 'career' in any subject you will be doing well for yourself and pretty much living the dream - those specific words not necessarily exactly used but words that amounted to such. We know now though that these careers are really just jobs the same as they have always and that is evident when in them.
So it was really the government & employers that did all of that. The parents were in the dark as much as the kids. My own parents used to say, 'we didn't have all these careers in my day' but if course you don't suddenly cease having jobs and careers all pop up it's really just a repackaging effort. So as long as you were going for a 'career' then your parents were as pleased as punch especially as that often entailed getting in & going to uni, exciting times, disappointing after.
I think most people thought prospects were about equal in most fields at uni. There were Micky mouse subjects that may be dubious and stuff like Medicine if you were that way minded that likely guaranteed good pay but you really had to be that type of person. I had no idea that IT could conceivably pay so we'll I don't think many did but then again there were the top IT stuff few had an insight into and the lowly everyday IT stuff of companies, government organizations and Uni IT departments, etc where the level of wages wasn't a lot different to anywhere else.
So both my parents thought that I was and would be doing well so no arse kicking needed. I passed exams well enough, got decent enough grades, turned up regularly and learnt stuff and so in theory a good future beckoned - a well paying job I would enjoy, and the rest would then fall into place, a girl, marriage, house, etc, etc.
Instead the reverse happened, no job (career) was ever good paying nor likely to be, doing those jobs was just an ordeal - no joy at all, lots of work no real reward. Worse still the women saw you as competition and at its worst would hate your guts. Even getting a job wasn't easy, interviews with lots of candidates, lots of temping short term agency work that would fall through every few weeks after the work was done. It really was an unhappy place to be.
I'm doing ok since those days but time has passed and what my parents have had in their youth I have not. I am of course not alone in this, many others likely most have suffered at least similar elements of the same fate. Some potentially are possibly even worse off than me. I kind of wish I grew up in the world my parents knew where everything had not been messed up. UK society out there is becoming a mess, all the problems the changes of the 90s have caused are all coming home to roost. Stuff has gotten worse since then, mass migration from the EU, extortionately high house house prices and rent, and of recent all this gender rubbish as if people aren't in enough of a mess already.
So that's about the size of it, I worked hard at school & uni but the system was and still is f*cked up.
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I mean by way of comparison my older Sister also went to Uni, she worked hard and got decent grades. However, none of the jobs (careers) she had since Uni were jobs that you needed a degree for, admin jobs, shop floor jobs, etc. She was regarded as a particularly hard worker by my parents and she was very much into study. She chose a social science degree so yeah probably not the best move commercially but sometimes results can be random and people weren't really clued up then into knowing what got what if anything as it was all new then.
So my sister has never done well jobs (career) wise either like most of the country probably. She has worked hard in her jobs but no joy and often ended feeling let down I guess before moving onto next hopeful job prospect. She has however done well property wise but that's only a result of two marriages and getting on the property ladder at the right time. If she had remained single she would likely be much as I am. Getting a house in the UK is nearly always two people needed these days. I am lucky as I got into a cheap area at the right time but they are going up here now as well a lot. Now there are very few cheap areas left in the UK. The areas that are either are remote or in real bad areas, fortunately mine not so.
So there we are, it should be remembered also that the 90s in the UK was a time of high unemployment, etc so to sone extent there wasn't a lot else for most youngsters to do other than to go to uni. People that have exceptional skills in high demand but restricted supply subject areas like Maths, Science & IT can commonly do well. Freakish but much needed talent like that is hard to come by but then so are top singers, actors, etc. My main problem was that for the rest of us everyday lot society has been messed up and it can appear bleak at times with only the legal drugs of Netflix & alcopop to distract the mind. I could understand it if I were a bald guy, a short guy, a ginger guy or anything else like that, that women hate but as a a tall guy with a full head of non ginger hair I shouldn't be having these problems.
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"A lot of it goes down to societal change in the 90s "
I see... so it's "society's fault"
did you consider "doing something" in response to the "societal changes"?
everyone faces some level of "resistance" from the world they live in
that resistance doesn't define who you are
it's your response to it that does
and if you essentially do nothing about this resistance
then it's not really society's fault, it's yours
you are the master of your fate, the captain of your soul
and you ran the ship aground and you became a "castaway"
with a little signal fire, struggling to find a rescuer to free ya from incel island
instead of building a raft and heading out into the tumultuous dark sea
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"A lot of it goes down to societal change in the 90s "
I see... so it's "society's fault"
did you consider "doing something" in response to the "societal changes"?
everyone faces some level of "resistance" from the world they live in
that resistance doesn't define who you are
it's your response to it that does
and if you essentially do nothing about this resistance
then it's not really society's fault, it's yours
you are the master of your fate, the captain of your soul
and you ran the ship aground and you became a "castaway"
with a little signal fire, struggling to find a rescuer to free ya from incel island
instead of building a raft and heading out into the tumultuous dark sea
A lot of it hardly anyone was aware there would be a problem. People just put their faith in the academics and government that it would all come good 'IF' you went and studied. If you studied you learnt and if you learnt then you were useful and so not a no-hoper. It all sounded reasonable, logical enough and so seemed to be the way to go. It's not just me but many people that fell into the same trap. I was talking to a guy a few years back, his daughter studied in Law, passed, a good degree grade at least a 2:1 think it may have been a First. Anyhow, he said she couldn't get anything like she was supposed to get, I got the impression she had to settle for law admin, insurance type of work. Low pay and no assurance of anything better. Suffice to say both father and daughter were left disappointed by the whole experience and I don't blame them.
Thing is it's kind of like being in a tiny boat with bad visibility all around in stormy seas not knowing when or where the next wave is going to strike, how hard and what it might do.
Very few people foresaw the above problem with opening up access to higher education to such a huge extent, nor of repackaging of careers, not of changing to equal pay for women. These are all huge societal changes that were billed as great and for the better. In reality though there are many negatives associated with such, it was just really focusing on the headline 'positive' news headline.
The 90s of course was a time of mass unemployment in the UK so that didn't help either.
After that of course came all the mass immigration from the EU, that ensured nearly all wages would remain flat and house prices & rents pushed through the roof.
So what would you do in such a situation? No UK guy wants to move to Eastern Europe to earn less. Western Europe is much the same wages and of language barriers everywhere.
For you Krim it's easy you would have your top Maths & IT skills to call upon. If not that then you can tap into your 'bizness' ventures in the FSU or if possible in the US. I wasn't born to a bi-lingual family with access to any of that. Anything illegal wasn't the network my family existed in or had connections to nor wished to. Sure people try to get in through illegal methods in the UK but most of that is a one way ticket to a prison cell and less opportunities in life not more.
So I was pretty much stuck with the situation I had, that and lack of knowledge about the dating situation which of course had changed radically from my father's day because of all of the societal change. If I knew then what I know now I think I would have made a better go of it.
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whatever societal changes happen in the UK follow into the USA eventually
what you describe about the UK in the 90s, happened in a smaller way here in this time period
but is now happening in a major way due to inflation
the curent young people in the USA, millenials. gen Z
have a similar situation to yours in the 90s
reduced opportunities, higher costs
so what?
make your own opportunity and make more money
but that takes a LOT more effort than submitting your C.V. for a job application in yo mama's village
so that task is not likely to be one you'll choose
be happy with your slack
other than lack of money and a woman
you have an easy life
which is REALLY the thing you want the most
you can have slack, or money and a woman
but NOT both (unless you're a retired geezer!)
so now what Trench?
same ole, same ole
WTF have yo got to lose by changing yourself, compared to the risk of remaining as you are?
your comfort?
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whatever societal changes happen in the UK follow into the USA eventually
what you describe about the UK in the 90s, happened in a smaller way here in this time period
but is now happening in a major way due to inflation
the curent young people in the USA, millenials. gen Z
have a similar situation to yours in the 90s
reduced opportunities, higher costs
so what?
make your own opportunity and make more money
but that takes a LOT more effort than submitting your C.V. for a job application in yo mama's village
so that task is not likely to be one you'll choose
be happy with your slack
other than lack of money and a woman
you have an easy life
which is REALLY the thing you want the most
you can have slack, or money and a woman
but NOT both (unless you're a retired geezer!)
so now what Trench?
same ole, same ole
WTF have yo got to lose by changing yourself, compared to the risk of remaining as you are?
your comfort?
Krim in about a couple of months things start to change. My house will be completed and shortly thereafter I'll start to have money coming in from it. I can then move forward from there. I'm not sure what else there would be to do, in the UK you have to be careful it's not like the US. Going out alone can end up a self-defeating situation. You can sink a lot of money into it and not get much if anything out. As you have noticed we Europeans are not so much naturals at hustling.
You call me slack but you have gotten wealthy from activities that may not all be above board. So it's hardly something that can be compared. Some people go out and get involved in the drugs trade, I wouldn't as it rarely ends well. Perhaps if someone is lucky they make a bit if money and run before they are nicked or done in. Probably very few as often once suckered in to such a trade I get the impression it's not an easy in, easy out situation. You yourself seem to allure to less risky ventures elsewhere but your wealth/position in life and opportunities aren't all necessarily from legitimate work.
I don't need to be the richest guy going, a decent life is good enough for me. I can see a degree of wealth opens up more opportunity and comfort but it's not like we aren't all after that.
Inflation and stuff now is nowhere near as bad as having no employment. Having to spend a few extra pennies to buy stuff isn't as bad as having virtually no money at all. I would gladly trade my situation back then to be a kid of today now. The main issue of today is obese women and the dating situation but with money in hand means more possibility than no money at all.
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some will stay home to pick the low hanging fruit no matter how scarce
while others are willing to travel to more bountiful fruit groves
with UK geography you would't had to travel far to reach bigger orchards
IF YOU WERE SO INCLINED....
also would've been a good idea to spend just a "wee bit" of thought
considering the career potential of a history degree relative to other choices
instead of relying on outdated assumptions that were already false when you made them
a day of researching this woulda showed you what a bad choice this was
which is better a degree in Medieval Basket weaving, or a law degree, both require the same effort and time, BUT Basket Weaving is an easier program than law
see the pattern here?
when you put the minimum effort into your life instead of the maximum
you receive the minimum results
failure to advance your career and income
is a sure fire way to remain an incel
wimmin have weighed you on the scale and found you wanting
this is the brutal REALITY that you don't wanna deal with
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some will stay home to pick the low hanging fruit no matter how scarce
while others are willing to travel to more bountiful fruit groves
with UK geography you would't had to travel far to reach bigger orchards
IF YOU WERE SO INCLINED....
also would've been a good idea to spend just a "wee bit" of thought
considering the career potential of a history degree relative to other choices
instead of relying on outdated assumptions that were already false when you made them
a day of researching this woulda showed you what a bad choice this was
which is better a degree in Medieval Basket weaving, or a law degree, both require the same effort and time, BUT Basket Weaving is an easier program than law
see the pattern here?
when you put the minimum effort into your life instead of the maximum
you receive the minimum results
failure to advance your career and income
is a sure fire way to remain an incel
wimmin have weighed you on the scale and found you wanting
this is the brutal REALITY that you don't wanna deal with
Too many with useless law degrees in both the US and the UK, and a very boring subject, basket weaving would be the better choice ;)
Well, I'm about to soon be going from a serf to a freeman :D
That has to have some value!
My guess with you Krim is that you're always looking to grasp the next rung up. You could have had the good life long ago but remained in the game as you wanted to climb up the social hierarchy. You don't really need any more money you got plenty of that years ago. You get off on getting more money I reckon but more than that moving up in the game. That was what Moscow was about doing what you love doing and getting up the ladder even if not directly on the front line. Putler put pay to all of that.
So now you are back in the good ol' US of A. Problem is that even with your wealth you are no big fish there, many, many millionaires in LA & Texas. So you're unhappy at being blocked by not being able to get up any higher and abhor getting looked down upon by Trump supporting billionaires, am I right? ;D
Moscow would have seen you at the top of the hierarchy out there.
All the above worked out with my analysis skills learned during my history degree ;)
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A law degree is hardly ever a waste, as it opens doors to many fields.
The US legal market is oversaturated, but Canada isn't, probably because we restrict the number of graduates annually. In the UK, students can go to law school directly from high school, so the quality can be subpar.
I don't think a history degree is a waste. No education, ultimately, is a waste. People can make a decent standard of living with history degrees. Will they get super wealthy? No, but they can have a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
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my goal was never to be Elon Musk
instead my goal was not have to work to make people like him wealthy while they scatter a few crumbs in my direction and be content with that
I worked that kind of life when I was young, and it turned me cynical
better to be master of a small tiny workdhop, than to be a serf in a much larger one
since you are so fond of history
look at how Britons lived pre-industrial age
all goods were manufactured locally by independent skilled artisans (and their profession became their identity (Smith, Baker, Potter)
then came the industrial age
and the artisans could't compete against the pricing power of big factories making cheap goods
so they ended up becoming unskilled laborers in the factories
and were treated like slaves
there are however paths for slaves to seek freedom
some will take these paths, and some won't
I passionately hated being a slave
and self-liberated
I never, ever, wanted to be a master of others
just free myself
Moscow was a paradise (except for the winter weather)
the discoveries I made there were freakin incredible
doubtful my family and I will return
my father's parents left Ukraine and never returned either
so maybe one day my grandchildren will read my notes
and if conditions are more favorable will decide to do as I did
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my goal was never to be Elon Musk
instead my goal was not have to work to make people like him wealthy while they scatter a few crumbs in my direction and be content with that
I worked that kind of life when I was young, and it turned me cynical
better to be master of a small tiny workshop, than to be a serf in a much larger one
since you are so fond of history
look at how Britons lived pre-industrial age
all goods were manufactured locally by independent skilled artisans (and their profession became their identity (Smith, Baker, Potter)
then came the industrial age
and the artisans could't compete against the pricing power of big factories making cheap goods
so they ended up becoming unskilled laborers in the factories
and were treated like slaves
there are however paths for slaves to seek freedom
some will take these paths, and some won't
I passionately hated being a slave
and self-liberated
I never, ever, wanted to be a master of others
just free myself
Moscow was a paradise (except for the winter weather)
the discoveries I made there were freakin incredible
doubtful my family and I will return
my father's parents left Ukraine and never returned either
so maybe one day my grandchildren will read my notes
and if conditions are more favorable will decide to do as I did
I get what you mean Krim, here in the UK many 'dream if being their own boss' as the saying goes. Many go into the trades or similar, but as said it's not necessarily as easy as it at first sounds and some come to realise that down the line. Problem with the trades apart from having done jobs previously to get the work in is that there can be a fair amount of competition around so pushing down asking price per job. It's pretty easy these days for customers to email around from the trades directories and get the cheapest quote to best reviewed. Do a not so great job or upset someone and that's going to affect trade through bad reviews. A changed game from when my Father worked in the trades, but not necessarily better.
In general like you say it mostly changed when factories came about with the big shift into factories of people then into offices for services, etc. I can't see any way that will change in the future but who knows. On one level I guess it's necessary to be able to churn out the volume of goods and services that people need. Some companies do a sharesave/share stakeholder scheme to incentivise and get the workforce owning sone of the company they work in but I don't think it ever really gets near the same as being your own boss. Being your own boss can be a good move provided you don't fall flat in your face and in the UK that's a real risk. So in the UK I would have to have a fair bit behind me to do so. There's always the tales of those that became millionaires from practically nothing but that's pretty rare and not something to rely upon if even strictly true (though likely a few are).
I myself used to be a fan of Marx when I was younger though I was never really the outwardly political type. I still think there is merit in a lot of his work. I've kind of always hated being on the end of needing employment and my life being at the whim of Employers on whether I have work or not. Even with the welfare state go without work a while and the money situation isn't often that comfortable.
So in theory being my own boss would be great, I've tried a couple of times in the past but as you say it's not all that easy and I guess for me was a learning experience of what not to do more than anything. At the same time Employing others has not really say well with me either. Partly as other people can be a pain but a lot as I never really wanted to become 'an Employer' and be to others that which I didn't admire.
So anyhow in the UK, yeah there are several ways to be your own boss, some can be a pain like the trades with people phoning you up all day but no guarantee of work, others possibly less so. Some I can do and I've got a few ideas but I really need the time and a steady income to fall back on as there are no guarantees really. So what was the discoveries you learnt in Moscow? It wasn't those weird books was it? ;D
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in parts of the USA, a century ago, carpenters did several things
built houses and built boats and made furniture
t'was a season and time for doin one or the other
and sometimes all
they were semi-independent and not tied to one employer or task
and they were ALWAYS busy
put enough effort into your tradecraft
and you can rise above the others
then the information society can then work in your favor
when you show off your skillz
you lot in the UK are obsessed with your past glory
Georgian style architecture and furniture, etc
should be "right up your alley" if you found some niche in the market
you could even work part-time starting out
years ago in Crimea
I sponsored my brother-in-law who is the best carpenter I EVER MET
bought him the tools he needed to be independent (including an old van)
he repaid me many times with all the amzing work he did for me
and has his own business now
I will do the same for my kids
I consider myself a Marxist as well
labor should create capital
as opposed to capital creating labor
Marx was an advocate for labor owned business as I am
i'm not an expert on UK politics
but seems to me the labour party is a move in the right direction
which was part of the evolution out of a feudalistic capitalistic society
towards a more democratic society proposed by 'ole Karl himself (Das Kapital)
run by the workers and NOT oligarchs
so you can see why oligarchs are not too enamored with this idea
here in the USA oligarch owned media, will every hour remind their ignorant audience of the dangers of socialism when they're not lying about other things
2024 is gonna be a repeat of 2020
I hope I don't have to go live in a bunker again
but will prepare to be safe (I didn't mind the French army MREs)
and still have my toilette paper supply leftover from the covid bunker period
what did I learn in Moscow?
not to talk about the things I learned in Moscow
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in parts of the USA, a century ago, carpenters did several things
built houses and built boats and made furniture
t'was a season and time for doin one or the other
and sometimes all
they were semi-independent and not tied to one employer or task
and they were ALWAYS busy
put enough effort into your tradecraft
and you can rise above the others
then the information society can then work in your favor
when you show off your skillz
you lot in the UK are obsessed with your past glory
Georgian style architecture and furniture, etc
should be "right up your alley" if you found some niche in the market
you could even work part-time starting out
years ago in Crimea
I sponsored my brother-in-law who is the best carpenter I EVER MET
bought him the tools he needed to be independent (including an old van)
he repaid me many times with all the amzing work he did for me
and has his own business now
I will do the same for my kids
I consider myself a Marxist as well
labor should create capital
as opposed to capital creating labor
Marx was an advocate for labor owned business as I am
i'm not an expert on UK politics
but seems to me the labour party is a move in the right direction
which was part of the evolution out of a feudalistic capitalistic society
towards a more democratic society proposed by 'ole Karl himself (Das Kapital)
run by the workers and NOT oligarchs
so you can see why oligarchs are not too enamored with this idea
here in the USA oligarch owned media, will every hour remind their ignorant audience of the dangers of socialism when they're not lying about other things
2024 is gonna be a repeat of 2020
I hope I don't have to go live in a bunker again
but will prepare to be safe (I didn't mind the French army MREs)
and still have my toilette paper supply leftover from the covid bunker period
what did I learn in Moscow?
not to talk about the things I learned in Moscow
If what you learned in Moscow was how to build a time machine Krim then I need to hitch a ride back a good 25 years or so in my past. Hopefully not make a load of different mistakes lol.
Well, the problem with the Labour Party in the UK is that it often feels dubious whether they represent the interests of their members but rather just take their votes for granted then do as they please. The main divide in Labour is between New Labour (Tony Blair, Kier Starmer) and Old (traditional) Labour (Jeremy Corbyn & previous Labour administrations, i.e Clement Atlee, Aneurin Bevan, etc).
Old Labour more for state housing, the welfare state, the NHS, workers & union rights, etc. New Labour for market economics, restricted union practices, globalisation, reining in of the welfare state & intervention in the economy, etc.
Not all New & Old Labour politicians will fall into exactly the same policy brackets it can vary a bit. For example, both Jeremy Corbyn & Keir Starmer seem to favour giving illegal migrants amnesty (or similar) but are at odds on most other things.
Kier Starmer is currently pretty certain to win the next General Election that will almost certainly come in 2024, most probably towards the end of 2024 as the Tories (Conservatives) are polling so badly they won't want to go early in the hope of some miraculous turn around in the mean time. It might but it's likely very doubtful to occur. Of recent with the SNP change of leadership/financial scandal and likely party in fighting that will ensue it's likely Labour will benefit at the next General Election by picking up SNP seats in Scotland in Westminster. That's going to make Labour even harder to beat.
What we will get with Kier isn't exactly certain though, he's a Solicitor like Tony Blair but without the charisma. He tends to be a typical solicitor in being wordy and not tying himself down to much at all. In fact it's difficult to know what stuff he has come out with is just discussion and what if any are any concrete policies he will action. As a 'Remoaner' it's likely he will push the UK back towards the EU, he has said he has moved on but I'm doubtful he can be trusted. He has also said he will bring in PR (proportional representation) again I find it difficult to believe as it would mean that in most future General Elections it would likely be hard for Labour or any other single party to form a majority on its own. So that would be like giving away a prime advantage. It would almost in effect drive members and voters to smaller parties by making them viable. So almost like kind of splitting the Labour Party without an actual break away party forming. So I personally think he is just out to garner votes I am really doubtful if he will follow through when in power but likely like most solicitors wriggle his way out of his stated commitment.
So for me I don't think we'll achieve anywhere near what Marx had envisaged with Labour at present. Likely it will be more flooding the labour market with labour to make Labour cheap for the Employers.
Russia of course may go back to a new Soviet Union I think if it keeps up what it's been doing for a few years. At some point I can see the people getting fed up with the Oligarchs if no victory on the battlefield is apparent. The economy collapsing to a fraction of its previous size, the people poor, destitute and hungry, the army fed up with losses, it's officers and the oligarchs. The good old Soviet days would look like a much welcome paradise, old times, good welfare & social care, no Oligarchs, bread & butter stuff. They will know what to expect, how it will be already from their past and how to bring it about (full on revolt) so they know it's tried and tested and will work. Anything will be better than where they are now. That and/or a break up of the Russian republics.
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Just did a quick Google and it appears Kier Starmer has already backed out of his previous position on bringing in the PR - proportional representation system. He was adamant that he would bring in PR but has now backed out as of 22nd Sept 2022. That pretty much defines how he is, you can't trust anything he says, it's not easy to get any concrete policies out of him that he'll stick to. I personally don't think he would make a good leader of the UK, I'm pretty sure he would carry on the same when in government, no one would know what is happening one day to the next if anything with him governing apart from possibly a few things. He doesn't really seem grounded in anything other than Remaining and I think he'll quickly lose popularity once in power. People really want to know what's happening and where the country is heading rather than feeling adrift.
I'm not really surprised he backed out of PR now that he is polling high in the polls. It's something where a party that looks like it will or is commanding a big majority is only going to be giving away some of it's power to smaller parties needlessly. So when in that position it's pretty against their interests to go that route.
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Been thinking a little more today about what to do after I quit from my job after the house conversion is finished. I already have a couple of ideas and been doing some small amounts of work on them over time. I have no idea if they will work for sure or flop. My plan in general is to float these ideas and others out there and see which ones might take at all. The job I won't be quitting till I'm sure my finances are good enough and I have what I want sorted as although the house will bring in some money I don't want to rely on that too much too soon.
Going self employed will be a big sea change for me I think as I've pretty much always been an employee when I had work. I've tried a couple of self employed ventures in the past but neither with outright success, but I think I learned a lot from those attempts and feel I've got a better understanding of what to go for and what to avoid and what may be required to potentially make a go of it. I think in general that it will be a slow turnover of ideas/minor business ventures until one hopefully bites. In the meantime I will probably concentrate on getting out to Chișinău and meeting some hotties :P
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criming in the UK 101
you lot in the UK can buy red diesel for 40p a liter, filter it through kitty litter and get white diesel worth 1.50 a liter
you just need some pipes and kitty litter
filter 100 liters/week and there's 400 pounds/month
when I wuz a kid, I taught my cousins in Rochdale how to shove tissue up the coin return slots of vending machines to trap the coins (late at night)
then come back the next night with a long hook and pull out the tissue and then a bunch of coins will fall out, and you dump them into a bucket
and move spot to spot
end of the night, you got a bucket full of coins
then move on to a new area and repeat
no way coppers would ever catch us
super alert, super fast
most amazingly, cops wuzn't even armed, but we WERE with makeshift weapons!!
WOT an EZ country to crime in
ahhhh - good times
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criming in the UK 101
you lot in the UK can buy red diesel for 40p a liter, filter it through kitty litter and get white diesel worth 1.50 a liter
you just need some pipes and kitty litter
filter 100 liters/week and there's 400 pounds/month
when I wuz a kid, I taught my cousins in Rochdale how to shove tissue up the coin return slots of vending machines to trap the coins (late at night)
then come back the next night with a long hook and pull out the tissue and then a bunch of coins will fall out, and you dump them into a bucket
and move spot to spot
end of the night, you got a bucket full of coins
then move on to a new area and repeat
no way coppers would ever catch us
super alert, super fast
most amazingly, cops wuzn't even armed, but we WERE with makeshift weapons!!
WOT an EZ country to crime in
ahhhh - good times
Not for me Krim, too much chance of getting caught. The coin stuff would kind of not sit well with me as I would feel bad for those everyday guys that lost their money and had a not good day of it.
UK of course today is full of CCTV cameras anyway but back then there is always a chance that you might get rumbled same day, i.e if the vending machine guy came out and discovered the deal then lay in wait and set the trap, or like you say a Copper happened to turn up. In that case you have a bucket to lug along, they usually had a truncheon. If you assault a police officer then it's a much bigger deal than an ordinary member of the public, well it was back then. They likely would have a description of you, etc. I'm not saying your risks were high, as you found out you could get away with it, but I don't think it was as necessarily risk free as you thought.
For me the whole crime scene isn't for me, it's not my personality. Most stuff these days the risks of getting caught are high enough and the punishment would likely outdo any gain. I can see why someone who starts out in crime may continue that way, they find it an easy paying game/get caught and get a criminal record but then it becomes all they know and/or find it hard to get straight work. Their mind then sets about thinking of other ways to get on a winner with some quick get rich crime scheme.
The red diesel is an interesting one as the gov here add a lot of tax onto petrol & diesel. I never knew the red could be taken out of the diesel with cats poop but there probably are ways. Again it's all down to risk of getting caught, who are you going to sell it too? You would have to be sure they aren't going to drop you in it. If the authorities found out they would want to see invoices of who you bought it off (if you were selling large quantities of it) and the only invoice you would have would be for Red diesel. Even if you had bought some clear diesel to cover you tracks if they found there was a big disparity in the volume you sold then figures again wouldn't tally. You couldn't just do your own invoices as they would go to the address you put down and investigate there, etc.
Again in theory people can get away with some stuff and you strike me as a pretty cunning guy Krim, but it's all too easy these days to stuff up. In the UK they have had for a number of years a proceeds of crime law, in short if you get caught doing crime in the UK they can hammer you for whatever money they think was generated then fines on top. For me getting involved in stuff like that is likely to be more trouble than it's worth and within a short time not lead to getting rich quick but just bother I don't need a known reputation and trouble getting legit work as well.
I can see that Russia would be a lot more lax and easier also possibility of bribing your way out as in Ukraine etc if caught, the UK though doesn't work like that and if you're mostly stuck in the UK then falling foul of the law isn't usually helpful to future prospects.
I'm assuming in all these discussions on crime of course Krim that we are talking hypothetically for theoretical discussion purposes only as I'm sure in real life you're a law abiding citizen.
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So anyway back to ok me :D Yeah for me I don't really need to become a Millionaire, nice if course I guess but I'm not really up to doing anything dodgy to get there as I don't really need it that much. For me getting to the stage of being a Freeman even just bringing in enough small money to do so on a legit basis, enough to live comfortably enough of in terms of doing stuff without being tied to an Employer suits me well enough. The way I figure it is that there are enough legitimate ways to make enough money to make that a goer.
Even in my present paid Employment I just work enough hours so I don't go much over the free (of tax) income personal allowance of £12.5k per tax year, which of course is roughly the same bracket for National Insurance tax also. While I will (hopefully) soon be moving on from working for an Employer to working for myself I can still use that personal income allowance plus the government rent a room allowance of £7.5k per tax year, so £20k of income free from tax each year :D That's a pretty decent sum to live off. Many people go out and work full time jobs in the UK and only take that money home after tax. So if I can get it to that stage of not having to do much for similar I'll be a happy chappy.
Once free from the bonds of the Employer I'll then be able to go where I want when I want. That for me will be more than enough. Having a bolt hole somewhere like Corfu to see off the bad winters here would also be good for me. I'm a budget conscious type of guy so like to run a tight ship and get decent stuff at a good price. That I think I'm usually pretty good at so I'm quite happy living that way. In places like Chișinău a £20k a year tax free income will be a big deal so will stand me in good stead. I don't really need to go over the top I figure on that front. I'm still not sure how or if Chișinău will figure into stuff but for the moment I'm happy enough to just get out there and enjoy stuff. Getting the house done at the moment is really top priority as nothing much else can occur without that so hopefully soon it will all be complete :)
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To be honest I'm not going to sweat it over Supermarket girl. Kind of easier for me to jet of to Moldova in a couple of months time than something impromptu here.
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Ok, so finally I think I'm getting to the end of the house conversion. I'm pretty sure I can finish it off in about a month with possibly the odd small jobs left over but nothing too big.
Hopefully it won't get pushed back on the schedule this time, I doubt think it will as it's pretty well spaced out time wise so it should about do it. That will be good news for me as it's been a long running thing so will be good to get it off my hands and time back on my hands, leisure time to do what I want with :D. So that's certainly something I'm looking forward to all being well. Moldova will be on the schedule along with other stuff, but mostly Moldova I think.
So depending on how Moldova goes I guess I'll see from there. Worst case scenario I end up single in life and end up on a diet of Netflix, alcopops & video games.
On the other hand if Moldova doesn't work out other than trying to improve anything I can I guess there is always other parts of the world. As you say Krim always a bigger sh*thole to try lol. If I can get travelling but that won't be such a bad thing, see different parts of the world. Who knows maybe try South America and those Hispanic chicks out Bee Farmer so readily passes over on ;D. A different scene at least. Sometimes in life I think a fresh change can be a good thing, try something completely new and see where it goes.
Anyhow, that is about it for now, just really looking forward to getting the house done, looking good and feeling good about the job done on it. Having a decent place behind me in a decent enough area is something at least so although not a millionaire at least a freeman relatively speaking so not bad really in my book at least.
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Every so often I think about how much easier my life would have been had I inherited my Father's social skills gene instead of my mother's lack of social skills gene. Not that I'm the worst well probably not I don't think but I just don't excell socially, my Father was way better on that stuff.
All the other stuff I'm pretty much in the ball park, I don't fall foul of being too short with women, I don't fall foul of lacking in hair on my head, I don't fall foul of being ginger and I don't fall foul of being over weight. I also don't fall foul of being too ugly for most women I think. So with all of that you would think I could get decent girls seriously interested but all I've ever really had that would be seriously interested are ones I don't want, the overweight not so attractive looking girls. I mean a few pretty ones have eyed me up but that's more about their ego boosting than anything else, they do it with many a guy, they aren't really serious.
So yeah I just kick myself sometimes that I missed out on that one gene. Had I had it I just think of the life and the decent girls I would have had, all the way through my life, just kind of shy off having a great life on that one which is a real bummer to think of. Still, I have to remain hopeful for a woman out in the FSU, a different society out there and more suited to my situation.
Just kind of thinking out aloud here, some stuff I just feel the need to vent as it makes me feel better. So kind of journal style a bit but just a way to get it off my chest I think. Will be getting to the actual trip shortly.
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Trench there was 100 pieces of good advice in this thread, but you managed to find
one thing that somewhat supported your __________ (enter rude word here) views
and latched on to that.
What you need to do is to do is
1. Find a good girl (otherwise you are dead).
2. Completely stop with all the fake bs stuff. If you need a list I can provide it.
3. Search for a woman you find attractive who is over 36 years old.
4. Read the part above about her having a daughter and if you don't understand it
ask me on this thread and I will try to explain it to you.
5. Pick ONE thing below to improve
A. Finish your remodel immediately
B. Work out 5 days per week
C. Study an hour of Russian 5 days per week (this is by far the cheapest with the least effort)
6. I have good reasons for every single one of those pieces of advice. So before discounting
them and coming up with ____________ (enter rude word here) excuses and rationalizing
you can actually improve your chances of success by learning something and changing your
approach.
Ask questions rather than spew your philosophies and theories.
Udachi
Bill
I chose the cheapest with the least effort ;D
So I'll answer here so as to not derail the other thread as used to be my fashion :D
Yeah, working out I've realised it's really worth it unless you can put serious time to it and of course effort as in the 'go heavy or go home' mantra, it exists for a reason. I asked one guy at work who used to work out back in the day (probably around the time Arnie used to, he had a b&w pic of himself, younger days, with bulging muscles) what happened as he no longer looked at all muscly, he said, 'work happened' lol. It kind of emphasized that unless you have lots of free time and money being of no issue then it's going to be hard to maintain. As I've noticed muscles are kind of like inflatables, stop for long and they're gone. So unless in a position to be a gym rat long term then it's not a good investment I reckon, but if you do then it can be.
Remodeling my house is going on at the moment and I hope to be roughly finished in about a month's time. I've got no alternative other than to do this and it would be massively counterproductive to quit now so close to the end. Today I was working on it jack hammering a hole through a half meter stone wall, it's no easy task believe me. It's done but I'm knackered from it.
Language learning I have been doing but have stopped in the past few weeks, partly for a break partly to do a couple of other things I wanted to do, one of which is FSU dating related but I'll keep that a secret for now ;) Suffice to say I think it will put me in better stead for a relationship with a FSW. So in that respects it briefly trumped learning the Russian language but I intend to get back onto that tonight all being well, or if not tonight then tommorow night. So far I have apparently learned around 800 words so not too far to go to the 1000 - 1200 words to have a good basic grasp and hold basic conversations in it or at least understand a bit of what is going on. So far what I have learned has been enlightening and I think really helps in feeling more comfortable in FSU society I feel.
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Sup Trench?
I haven't had the chance to read most of this post as it is pages long but
I can sense from your writing that you are TOO FOCUSED on women. the
guys I know who are killing it with the women are not focused on them,
it's not even their prime priority, they focus on developing themselves or on
their career, projects and their hustles.
Yes, you might tell me that that's what you've been doing so far and even
trying to study languages. I mean, guys from the States come here to Europe and
do daygame or meet women in other ways and they're not even worried they don't
speak the language. It's a matter of mentality, not saying you should not invest in
yourself and not improve by studying languages, just saying they don't give a rats
ass and many of them do just fine.
So, it's not that you...
-Don't speak the language and thats why you are being rejected
-Dont have these huge muscles, many women are actually repulsed by this
-dont have the height or good look genes
-dont have enough money, every guy of any socioeconomic status can get a beautiful girl
no problem with that
-are not young anymore, plenty of old experienced men who can get young thangs
-are not sociable enough, can't get the right words out. Many times it is but if that was the
case many shy or reserved guys would never get married and there are tons of them. Specially
in Japan
-Are in the wrong country, women in each country have their own demand and men offer a lot even to
self entitled and bitchy women
-need to learn more about the Red pill
-etc etc.
So what is working for those guys? Their positive MENTALITY and not giving a Shit!
So my conclusion is you should take it easy and not sound or act desperately. there are many other
things to enjoy in this life and ways to develop other than focusing on women. I'm pretty sure
you've had your chances with women who, like you said "eyed you" and you didn't act, hoping you
would see that woman again or that
"Oh, I'm so cool, I'm sure I can get a girl who looks hotter than her so why should I settle?"
Problem is you don't know when the next train is coming so you better
seize the chance now or sometimes it may be YEARS until you get another chance like that.
Also if you need some time for self introspection then do it and stay off the dating sites and
social media for a while. Detox!
Alright Cheers mate!
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Sup Trench?
I haven't had the chance to read most of this post as it is pages long but
I can sense from your writing that you are TOO FOCUSED on women. the
guys I know who are killing it with the women are not focused on them,
it's not even their prime priority, they focus on developing themselves or on
their career, projects and their hustles.
Yes, you might tell me that that's what you've been doing so far and even
trying to study languages. I mean, guys from the States come here to Europe and
do daygame or meet women in other ways and they're not even worried they don't
speak the language. It's a matter of mentality, not saying you should not invest in
yourself and not improve by studying languages, just saying they don't give a rats
ass and many of them do just fine.
So, it's not that you...
-Don't speak the language and thats why you are being rejected
-Dont have these huge muscles, many women are actually repulsed by this
-dont have the height or good look genes
-dont have enough money, every guy of any socioeconomic status can get a beautiful girl
no problem with that
-are not young anymore, plenty of old experienced men who can get young thangs
-are not sociable enough, can't get the right words out. Many times it is but if that was the
case many shy or reserved guys would never get married and there are tons of them. Specially
in Japan
-Are in the wrong country, women in each country have their own demand and men offer a lot even to
self entitled and bitchy women
-need to learn more about the Red pill
-etc etc.
So what is working for those guys? Their positive MENTALITY and not giving a Shit!
So my conclusion is you should take it easy and not sound or act desperately. there are many other
things to enjoy in this life and ways to develop other than focusing on women. I'm pretty sure
you've had your chances with women who, like you said "eyed you" and you didn't act, hoping you
would see that woman again or that
"Oh, I'm so cool, I'm sure I can get a girl who looks hotter than her so why should I settle?"
Problem is you don't know when the next train is coming so you better
seize the chance now or sometimes it may be YEARS until you get another chance like that.
Also if you need some time for self introspection then do it and stay off the dating sites and
social media for a while. Detox!
Alright Cheers mate!
Put it this way, Arnold Schwarzenegger says something like, 'focus on yourself and your ambition and the rest will come' can mean different things but in general I think he means that if you really focus on something in life and can get on doing it then basically women will see a successful guy and they come (to him). So yeah I get it that sometimes it's easier to become successful then you don't need to bother chasing the women they see that success and chase you. I think Krim has said similar along the way numerous times.
That said it's easier said than done as otherwise we would all be doing it. If you're skills in life are in something that's difficult to monetise then it's not so easy. For example, your good in a sport where the pay off isn't as good as others, swimming or rifle shooting as opposed to tennis, or you're good in an academic subject where the pay off is difficult or near impossible to achieve these days such as History or Architecture, etc.
Some people hammer away at some subject where success or level of financial success is remote for years putting aside paid work and get nowhere. The may end up doing a pointless PhD to reinvent the already invented or a subject so obscure and lacking in financial value that it's just chewing up time on a folks errand.
I know done guys can get in there, they land abroad and just talk to anyone and everyone and don't care about getting laid they are just there for as good a time as they can get. Girls they interact with see that and are happy to go with the flow as places like Ukraine tend to have a bit of a happy go lucky culture anyway I find. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Once my house is done and I'm off work possibly over there with time on my hands then maybe.
Depends what you want, I would like to have family other guys couldn't care less one way or another, that's fine for them. I kind of like learning the language, improving myself so being able to utilise more skills. I've always been intrigued by the Russian culture, it's history, how it's people are and Ukraine has struck a chord with me since I first went there around 2016. It's kind of like a puzzle to solve for me and I find something involving in its culture. That there's something to be had there that can't be found in the UK and not just talking about it's women.
So for me I'm quite happy as I am progressing at the moment. Soon the house conversion will be complete and I'll have more scope to get out there and do stuff which will be great after all this time. It's then I think I'll finally have the time and resources to move things up a pace :)