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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2225 on: June 21, 2022, 08:57:59 AM »
Big explosions in Donetsk,Kievskiy district today as Ukrainian forces hit a Russian ammo depot.


There have been 12 big explosions in Donetsk and it's suburbs in the last half a week ,as Ukrainian forces start to pummel the gangsters of the so-called DPR.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2226 on: June 21, 2022, 09:38:21 AM »
Rearm with what? Russia is essentially using up its armaments. I'm doubtful that they will be able to rearm at least any tie soon. It takes time to design, test and manufacture armaments, it's not something you do tommorow.

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The defense industry of Russia is a strategically important sector and a large employer in Russia.[1] It is also a significant player in the global arms market, with Russian Federation being the second largest conventional arms exporter after the United States, with $13.5 billion worth of exports in 2012.[2] Combined, the US and Russia account for 57% of all major weapons exports.[3]

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Really think they gonna just run out?  Sure, their exports will dwindle due to 'domestic use', but otherwise I doubt the factories have shuttered their doors.

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Views of Garry Kasparov
« Reply #2227 on: June 21, 2022, 03:04:09 PM »
Awakened to Putins Threat, Biden and the West Nod Off Again
By Garry Kasparov (Russian former Chess Champion) June 17, 2022

Earlier this month President Biden addressed the nation. Rather than do so from behind the Resolute Desk, he went on Jimmy Kimmel Live! In a 23-minute interview, Russias war on Ukraine wasnt mentioned once. With domestic issues such as inflation, the Jan. 6 hearings, abortion and gun control on the presidents plate, the war in Ukraine may seem less of a priority. But it isnt. Providing Ukraine with everything it needs to fight the Russians is the rightand popularthing to do.

Yet Mr. Biden seems as if hed rather pass the buck than act. During remarks at a Democratic fundraiser two days after the Kimmel interview, he said that President Volodymyr Zelensky didnt want to hear it when warned about Russias imminent invasion. The Ukrainians deny this, but even if it were true, what of the U.S. ignoring its own warnings? No sanctions or aid was deployed to deter Mr. Putins invasion. Mr. Zelensky was surely skeptical that any U.S. support would be forthcoming after the fighting started.

Now we know the high cost of that failure to actthe slaughter, destruction and war crimes in Ukraine, and the food and fuel crises around the world. Instead of working to contain Mr. Putin in the eight years since he first invaded Ukraine, instead of insulating themselves against blackmail by becoming less dependent on Russian exports, American and European governments kicked the can down the road.

They also kept the door open to Mr. Putin, giving him confidence along with the hundreds of billions of dollars in oil and gas revenues he used to arm his war machine. Mr. Biden had a summit and several calls with Mr. Putin, and for what? Mr. Putin has stayed in power for 22 years by ignoring what weak Western leaders say and watching what they do. He took note as U.S. intelligence correctly predicted his long-planned invasion but did nothing to stop it. He watched as the first U.S. offer of help to Ukraine was to evacuate Mr. Zelensky under the assumption that Kyiv would fall within hours. Ukrainian courage and skill proved that assumption wrong.

Mr. Biden may be besieged politically, but Mr. Zelensky is besieged literally, as Ukraine suffers great loss of life in its defense of the eastern Donbas region. The only way to end the war is by helping Ukraine regain its territory and sovereignty and destroying Mr. Putins war machine. Anything less would allow Russia to consolidate and rearm, while Ukrainians under occupation suffer.

Mr. Putin made his intentions clear in a televised appearance on June 9, birthday of Peter the Great. Like Peter, Mr. Putin said he plans to reclaim lost lands. Unlike Peter, who modernized Russia and brought it closer to Europe, Mr. Putin is isolating Russia and moving it into a dark age. While dictators usually lie about everything they do, they are often candid about what they would like to do. Mr. Putin has long talked about rebuilding his beloved Soviet Empire. This weeks St. Petersburg International Economic Forum featured the presentation of a map of former Ukraine, from Kyiv to Odessa. Colonialism is not a Western European invention, despite what some progressives seem to think.

The escalation Mr. Biden and other Western leaders say they fear if they take stronger action to support Ukraine is guaranteed by their caution. Ukraine is the frontline now, but if Mr. Putin succeeds, he wont stop there. A direct confrontation with North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces will become inevitable. If the goal is Ukrainian victory, the White House must say so clearly and everything Ukraine needs must be sent now.

During World War II, the American lend-lease program delivered millions of tons of materiel to the Soviet Union. I refuse to believe that its harder to get a few hundred howitzers into Ukraine today than it was to ship trucks and tanks past Nazi U-boats. Ukraine is running out of everything, even bullets. The U.S. has the way but not the will.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced another formidable Ukrainian military aid program at the Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Wednesday. The package includes some of the longer-range weapons Ukraine desperately needs. Thats good, but more is needed. Stop talking about negotiated outcomes that will only give Mr. Putin time to prepare his next attack. Helping Ukraine isnt charity. Democracy cant be defended on the cheap. The high cost of inflation will be nothing compared with the price Vladimir Putin will exact if he isnt stopped now.

Mr. Kasparov is chairman of the Renew Democracy Initiative.
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Re: Views of Garry Kasparov
« Reply #2228 on: June 21, 2022, 04:02:39 PM »
Awakened to Putins Threat, Biden and the West Nod Off Again
By Garry Kasparov (Russian former Chess Champion) June 17, 2022


Now we know the high cost of that failure to actthe slaughter, destruction and war crimes in Ukraine, and the food and fuel crises around the world. Instead of working to contain Mr. Putin in the eight years since he first invaded Ukraine, instead of insulating themselves against blackmail by becoming less dependent on Russian exports, American and European governments kicked the can down the road.


Mr. Biden may be besieged politically, but Mr. Zelensky is besieged literally, as Ukraine suffers great loss of life in its defense of the eastern Donbas region. The only way to end the war is by helping Ukraine regain its territory and sovereignty and destroying Mr. Putins war machine. Anything less would allow Russia to consolidate and rearm, while Ukrainians under occupation suffer.


The escalation Mr. Biden and other Western leaders say they fear if they take stronger action to support Ukraine is guaranteed by their caution. Ukraine is the frontline now, but if Mr. Putin succeeds, he wont stop there. A direct confrontation with North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces will become inevitable. If the goal is Ukrainian victory, the White House must say so clearly and everything Ukraine needs must be sent now.


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2230 on: June 21, 2022, 04:17:47 PM »
source: wikipedia.org

Really think they gonna just run out?  Sure, their exports will dwindle due to 'domestic use', but otherwise I doubt the factories have shuttered their doors.

Back in Jan/Feb time before the invasion it was said that Russia could only afford financially to field an army on readyness around Ukraine for about 6 months to June/July time before the financial burden starts to get too much and they would have to demobilise. So they must be near the point now where he financial burden is really starting to bite. On top of that Factories need to be paid for what they produce in terms of armaments. Apart from some ammo & shells I doubt Russia is capable anymore of producing heavy armaments or they would have done so already. I just don't think the finance or knowhow is there. Everything says to me they only had so much resources to devote to military development and that went into a few specific areas, mostly missiles possibly a little into ships, subs. Most of their airforce old, tanks are old, most of their ships till recent old and many still are, infantry equipment is old. It's almost like seeing the old Soviet army pop up for some sort of historical re-enactment show, everything antiquated and worth a ganders if only in wonderment as to why they are using such old pieces of sh*t. Faced with a NATO army, even one as small as the UK alone I am pretty definite that we would smash them in next to no time and have them running for the hills. It's only their nukes and our defensive nature that keep us from doing that and I'm not even convinced if their nukes are in launchable condition without blowing up in their faces now.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2231 on: June 22, 2022, 12:24:31 AM »
This is a good article on the effect of sanctions on Russia.

http://cepa.org/russia-begins-to-pay-the-price-for-sanctions/
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2232 on: June 22, 2022, 01:20:15 AM »
Back in Jan/Feb time before the invasion it was said that Russia could only afford financially to field an army on readyness around Ukraine for about 6 months to June/July time before the financial burden starts to get too much and they would have to demobilise. So they must be near the point now where he financial burden is really starting to bite. On top of that Factories need to be paid for what they produce in terms of armaments. Apart from some ammo & shells I doubt Russia is capable anymore of producing heavy armaments or they would have done so already. I just don't think the finance or knowhow is there.

Russia has the manpower and resources to produce a vast array of armaments.  The only limitation regards highly technical devices reliant on imported electronic 'chips' and other items that cannot be produced by Russia or its allies.  The latter can and is already being addressed by smuggling these items into Russia in manners that bypass import and export sanctions.

If necessary, Russia has a political and economic environment that would allow workers and factories to produce at near zero cost.  After all, they can print as many 100 Ruble notes as they wish, and have practically infinite energy and raw natural resources available domestically.  Those production lines can run indefinitely and even expand if the 'will of the people' can be maintained with propaganda or force.

I think you vastly underestimate the situation.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2233 on: June 22, 2022, 09:36:25 AM »
There are reports today that the orc Warship "Saratov" is on fire in occupied Berdyansk.


If that name sounds familiar well "Saratov " is the name of the orc landing-craft that Ukraine  claimed to be destroyed and sunk in Berdyansk...blocking the harbour in March.


There is more fake news in this war than in a football transfer window...and that's saying something.


I guess as it's Russia and Ukraine involved we couldn't expect anything else.


I've a mind to forget all about this war for six months then take a look to see where things stand then...because the spurious reports from both sides are getting tiresome.
Just saying it like it is.

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The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2234 on: June 22, 2022, 10:03:11 AM »
Team Biden has to approve this and will never do it.
Ukraine would have to pay for it or Israel will never do it.

Ukraine Wants Israel's Iron Dome Defense System
http://www.newsweek.com/korniychuk-ukraine-israel-russia-war-iron-dome-military-rafael-1713757


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2235 on: June 22, 2022, 05:04:40 PM »
This is a good article on the effect of sanctions on Russia.

http://cepa.org/russia-begins-to-pay-the-price-for-sanctions/
Bwahahaha, LMAO! Very balanced analysis... not. Have a look at who funds CEPA: http://cepa.org/about/our-supporters/

Russia's inflation rate is similar to the US rate of (consumer) inflation:

http://tradingeconomics.com/russia/inflation-cpi
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

The world is headed for global recession. Hopefully we're not headed for a global hot war. BTW the RUB is now trading at 55, the strongest since 2015. The markets are smarter than any analysts. What are the markets saying? Russia is not only 'winning' this conflict but decisively. (we all lose in war) The China-Russia alliance is a SUPER POWER. Not without problems but ascendant. Even the Indian foreign minister told Europe to go suck a dick. Global power is heading east. The glory days are well and truly over for the west. We'll get to 'enjoy' the Great Reset (ergo, great depression).

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2236 on: June 22, 2022, 05:08:18 PM »
I've a mind to forget all about this war for six months then take a look to see where things stand then...because the spurious reports from both sides are getting tiresome.
My rule of thumb is to wait 49 days before drawing any conclusions from media reporting. Typically by then a more complete picture is available.

The sources that have been accurately reporting (or predicting) 7+ weeks ago are probably worth listening to, if not it's likely propaganda.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2237 on: June 22, 2022, 05:46:29 PM »
Bwahahaha, LMAO! Very balanced analysis... not. Have a look at who funds CEPA: http://cepa.org/about/our-supporters/

Russia's inflation rate is similar to the US rate of (consumer) inflation:

http://tradingeconomics.com/russia/inflation-cpi
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

The world is headed for global recession. Hopefully we're not headed for a global hot war. BTW the RUB is now trading at 55, the strongest since 2015. The markets are smarter than any analysts. What are the markets saying? Russia is not only 'winning' this conflict but decisively. (we all lose in war) The China-Russia alliance is a SUPER POWER. Not without problems but ascendant. Even the Indian foreign minister told Europe to go suck a dick. Global power is heading east. The glory days are well and truly over for the west. We'll get to 'enjoy' the Great Reset (ergo, great depression).

The article is written by a Russian, who is an expert on Russia.

In Soviet times, the ruble was worth twice as much as the dollar. The Soviet economy was a disaster.

No matter what you wish to believe, economically, Russia is a basket case.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2238 on: June 22, 2022, 08:04:42 PM »
No matter what you wish to believe, economically, Russia is a basket case.
Public debt/GDP (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/government-debt-to-gdp/):
USA 137%
Canada 118%
Russia 18%

Private debt/GDP (http://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/private-debt-to-gdp):
USA 236%
Canada 304% (hello multi-decade housing bubble)
Russia ??

Household debt/GDP (2018, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_debt):
USA 76%
Canada 101%
Russia 17%

External debt (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/government-debt-to-gdp/):
USA 23 trillion
Canada 2.5 trillion
Russia 0.5 trillion

GDP value (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/gdp/):
USA 20.9T
Canada 1.6T
Russia 1.5T

Debt per citizen (http://worlddebtclocks.com):
USA 65,000 USD
Canada 32,000 CAD
Russia 88,000 RUB

Current Account to GDP (2021; http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/current-account-to-gdp/):
USA -3.6%
Canada 0.1%
Russia 6.8%


Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Russia's economy WAS a basket case. It has many problems but you can't keep racking up debt and think it's not going to matter.

Income is much lower in Russia but so are debt and living expenses. The USA and Russia have a similar Gini coefficient, Russia's is actually lower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

You want to know an economic basket case? Ukraine. It'll be a sink hole for years (unless you're politically connected, in which case it will be boom times).

If you read a financial news site like zerohedge you may actually learn a thing or two.  :P

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2239 on: June 22, 2022, 08:47:43 PM »
Your primary argument is that Russia has a lower debt ratio to income compared to the west, and so that makes Russia economically superior to the west

If you compared the debt ratio of billionaires to homeless people, youd find the billionaires also have a higher debt ratio which according to your argument, makes homeless people economically superior to billionaires, so AS EVEN YOU CAN SEE, your arguments look pretty fookin dumb

and THIS is what you learned from zerohedge

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2240 on: June 22, 2022, 10:12:50 PM »
Public debt/GDP (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/government-debt-to-gdp/):
USA 137%
Canada 118%
Russia 18%

Private debt/GDP (http://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/private-debt-to-gdp):
USA 236%
Canada 304% (hello multi-decade housing bubble)
Russia ??

Household debt/GDP (2018, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_debt):
USA 76%
Canada 101%
Russia 17%

External debt (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/government-debt-to-gdp/):
USA 23 trillion
Canada 2.5 trillion
Russia 0.5 trillion

GDP value (http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/gdp/):
USA 20.9T
Canada 1.6T
Russia 1.5T

Debt per citizen (http://worlddebtclocks.com):
USA 65,000 USD
Canada 32,000 CAD
Russia 88,000 RUB

Current Account to GDP (2021; http://take-profit.org/en/statistics/current-account-to-gdp/):
USA -3.6%
Canada 0.1%
Russia 6.8%


Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Russia's economy WAS a basket case. It has many problems but you can't keep racking up debt and think it's not going to matter.

Income is much lower in Russia but so are debt and living expenses. The USA and Russia have a similar Gini coefficient, Russia's is actually lower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

You want to know an economic basket case? Ukraine. It'll be a sink hole for years (unless you're politically connected, in which case it will be boom times).

If you read a financial news site like zerohedge you may actually learn a thing or two.  :P

Zerohedge isnt a financial site. Its an alt right aggregator.

I studied some economics in university.

I never claimed Ukraines economy was good. But Russias is about the same. The only difference is, Russia has an in demand commodity, which they have managed poorly.

The US has the ability to raise revenue very easily, if need be.   Canadas position is far more precarious.

Nevertheless, I agree with krimster. You cannot compare Western economies and Russia. The latter is a basket case, which Putin seems hellbent on destroying.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2241 on: June 22, 2022, 10:13:22 PM »
Your primary argument is that Russia has a lower debt ratio to income compared to the west, and so that makes Russia economically superior to the west

If you compared the debt ratio of billionaires to homeless people, youd find the billionaires also have a higher debt ratio which according to your argument, makes homeless people economically superior to billionaires, so AS EVEN YOU CAN SEE, your arguments look pretty fookin dumb
LOL. I didn't say Russia was superior, I said the economy wasn't a basket case. Billionaires need cash flow to service debt.

Russia's cash flow (current account surplus TRIPLED): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-16/russia-current-account-surplus-surges-to-96-billion-on-energy

USA's deficit: http://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

Hello printing press!

The "Russia's economy is a basket case" comes from the same thinking of "Russia will be crushed into oblivion by sanctions". And Biden's around for another 2+ years? LMAO, yeah vive la zapad!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2242 on: June 22, 2022, 10:23:48 PM »
Zerohedge isnt a financial site. Its an alt right aggregator.
ZH was formed by ex-Wall Street guys providing financial reporting. Go back to 2009 archives if they're still available. It's all finance articles.

Since that time they've branched out and published 'general news' from a variety of sources. They still author their own content. Unlike mainstream media they are genuinely independent, hence "alt-right". After all they called Trump in 2016 when everyone else was gushing over President Hillary.

I'm not 'praising' the Russian economy, I just don't think it is in as bad a shape as western talking heads want to make you believe.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2243 on: June 23, 2022, 12:37:57 AM »
BTW the RUB is now trading at 55, the strongest since 2015.

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May 19 (Reuters) - Russia's central bank said on Thursday banks would be allowed to sell citizens foreign currency without any restrictions from May 20, with the exception of U.S. dollars and euros.

Restrictions on dollars and euros, which allow citizens to buy only those dollars and euros that arrived in banks after April 9, will remain in place until Sept. 9, the central bank said.

Reporting by Reuters; Editing by Angus MacSwan

http://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russian-ease-restrictions-cash-fx-apart-us-dollars-euros-2022-05-19/

Taking into account that outside RU, practically nobody will give you dollars for the ruble, and inside RU buying dollars with the ruble is also practically impossible,  I can only interpret that these factors are artificially propping up a theoretical, but not practical monetary value.

And now even holding USD in a RU bank will cost you money.

So if you had USD or EUR in a RU bank prior to April 9, you can't withdraw, and if you keep it in the bank fees and negative interest rates applied will eat it up, which is just another way of slowly confiscating these currencies from account holders
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http://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-tinkoff-charge-monthly-1-fee-fx-accounts-reduce-exposure-2022-06-09/

So back to my original question from a while ago you seem to have conveniently ignored it..  If I send you RUB, will you send me EUR or USD, and at what exchange rate? What is the Ruble really worth to you?

I guess my response is along the line of 'Put up or shut up'...

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2244 on: June 23, 2022, 06:12:48 AM »

So back to my original question from a while ago you seem to have conveniently ignored it..  If I send you RUB, will you send me EUR or USD, and at what exchange rate? What is the Ruble really worth to you?

I guess my response is along the line of 'Put up or shut up'...

Any one willing to trade USD for any foreign currency would do it upon speculation. USD is still the reserve currency but, that is fading fast. I will offer you $1 USD per 140 RUB

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2245 on: June 23, 2022, 06:39:35 AM »
Good example that illustrates my point FP.

I think I'll pass on your generous offer though :)

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2246 on: June 23, 2022, 07:58:25 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski

Zerohedge was founded by Даниел Иванджийски, (changed his name to Daniel K. Ivandjiiski when he moved to USA) who in 2008 was charged with gaining US$780 from an insider trade on 1415 March 2006. On 3 September 2008, FINRA reached their decision, published on 11 September 2008, that Daniel K. Ivandjiiski was to be barred from acting as a broker or otherwise associating with a broker-dealer firm, and from being a FINRA member

in other words, hes a freakin pro-Russian moron
so blogging is the only thing open to him
sure go ahead and slurp up whatever he posts, cuz its MEANT for people JUST LIKE YOU!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2247 on: June 23, 2022, 08:08:45 AM »
Looks like the orcs have made some gains in Sievierodonetsk and the Ukrainians are barely holding on and may not be able to hold out for much longer. Ideally those Howitzers & Mobile Long Range Launchers from the west need to get there pretty soon by the looks of things or the Ukrainians may be pushed out.

In the south some better news as Ukrainian forces are advancing on Kherson and seem to be only a few miles outside the city now, so a reversal of fortune there. Only thing is, is that now Ukrainian citizens may be at risk of shelling from the Howitzers of their own forces as the Ukrainian army try to displace the orcs there. With that in mind the Ukrainian government has asked it's citizens to leave Kherson by any means possible. I'm not sure how likely that is as crossing the lines can be very dangerous especially trying to explain it to the orcs who have been known to shoot people trying. It has been suggested that they might use the Crimea land route but that again depends on whether the orcs allow it and whether they might end up stuck in Russia permanently. It looks like the orcs may use Kherson's citizens as a human shield if it comes to it, that would be pretty appalling were it to happen so let's hope it doesn't get to that.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2248 on: June 23, 2022, 09:29:23 AM »
Good info on the situation with the Howitzers out in Ukraine at the moment:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/06/23/the-russians-are-targeting-ukraines-american-made-howitzers/amp/

Looks like plenty of Howitzers are now entering the field many from the US and are knocking out a lot of the orcs old Soviet stuff. Still a way to go most likely but it looks like Russia isn't liking the threat they pose and are using anything they can possibly do to take a few of them out. With the US holding about 1000 more Howitzers most of them redundant my guess is Ukraine could gain the upper hand with them.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2249 on: June 23, 2022, 09:33:16 AM »
Good example that illustrates my point FP.

I think I'll pass on your generous offer though :)

That's too bad. The offer now stands at $1 per 160 RUB. How much confidence do you have that Russia's economy is a basket case anyway? I'm just making this offer to help a bruvver out and dispose of the worthless currency.  :D

 

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