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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2450 on: August 04, 2022, 02:23:57 PM »
Ukraine using US HIMARS & Howitzers to good effect around Kherson yesterday:

http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-himars-strike-russian-bases-counter-attack-kherson-artillery-1730303

More arms dumps and some military bases hit. Apparently the Russian Army is now in bad shape and looking like it should be vulnerable to a counter offensive by Ukraine.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2451 on: August 06, 2022, 02:00:32 AM »
Some new tanks for Russia for Ukraine to destroy:

http://tinyurl.com/4snrpbj9
« Last Edit: August 08, 2022, 10:36:35 AM by AnonMod »
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After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2453 on: August 13, 2022, 09:04:54 PM »
if true, that's good to know, but losing Ukraine's output will still impact the world, and will certainly impact Ukraine

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2454 on: August 15, 2022, 12:56:47 AM »
Two more ammo dumps destroyed around Kherson today and the bridges largely taken out meaning big difficulty supplying Russian troops in Kherson. Even still it's looking like Ukraine may struggle at mounting a counteroffensive to retake Kherson or any of the Donbas. Like Russia many of their well trained forces are lost then there is having the armaments to dislodge the Russians. Ukraine tends to lack the large number of artillery then there is the question that they would likely end up firing at their own civilians.

It's looking like it's becoming a war of attrition for both sides and one that could rumble on for some time with the battle lines largely stagnated along current positions. Economies of both countries are apparently becoming in bad shape, unemployment in Russia just over 9 percent and will likely increase, its economy apparently already set back by four years. Ukraine is apparently having trouble paying it's soldiers with money promised by the EU not coming through as quickly as hoped. Inflation, interest rates and currency issues becoming problems in both nations. Tourism of course largely out in Ukraine so much money lost there and any one with any sense avoiding Russia also.

So really a case of seeing who cracks first. Ukraine is pretty reliant on the west now for economic and military support. Russia is exhausting itself and a long time at this could break up under the strain of being run down by it all. My guess is probably not this year but next year matters will be getting in a pretty dire way in Russia as time and effort at this campaign takes it toll.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2455 on: August 15, 2022, 05:37:03 AM »
One would hope that with the orcs having to scour prisons for their new recruits,and with Ukraine's new recruits being fully trained by the UK and others,that this would tip things in Ukraine's favour.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2456 on: August 15, 2022, 06:51:51 AM »
One would hope that with the orcs having to scour prisons for their new recruits,and with Ukraine's new recruits being fully trained by the UK and others,that this would tip things in Ukraine's favour.

Looks like it could be over for the Wagner Group and their activities recruiting from prisons:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62547403

Might have even gotten their head guy, 'the chef'.

That strike will no doubt reduce the Wagner Group's ability to spearhead assaults. So it's getting to the point where Russia is losing the ability to invade any further. As you state CB the UK training up Ukraine's military will help them with counter-offensive abilities, just a question of when and how much Ukraine is able to bring to bear. The underlying problem for cities such as Kherson that are still inhabited is his to do it without causing mass casualties. Possibly there is a way it's just Ukraine having to see what works to achieve that I think.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2457 on: August 15, 2022, 07:25:20 AM »
Kherson to my mind isnt a challenge for ukraine/AFU.

The kherson oblast is,the city itself? No.

They are doing the normal things,cut supply lines.
If they take the northside of the dneper, i would simply
by-pass the city, they can control anything coming in by river/ sea, and simply leave what russian  army remains in the city  to the partisan efforts there.
Any armoured units that wpuld remain could be controlled 8f you alreasy have has the strenght push them to the city in the first place. And they wouldnt have fuel long.
So i think the oblast is what they will concentrate on and of course keeping the supply lines cut.

Zero need to try to retake kherson itaelf, time would be on tier side  in this one instance

Buit this completely depends on the huge *if* they can take that northern section of oblast back.

They lost 6 fighter /astack planes last week.alone.
(Granted it proves russuas folly of claiming they had taken put AFU airforce months ago)

But thats a significant loss for ukraine when lend lease has yet to come into play.

Russia losing 9 at saki base,is embarrasing but not as impactful,as the strike itselfs location

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2458 on: August 15, 2022, 08:58:21 PM »
Once Ukraine gets more of the Ghost drones and R1 drones Russia will be in trouble.  Majority of these drone companies are in Southern California.  Switchblade is old technology but still better than what Russia has.

Kherson only fell to Russia because the Russians had moles inside Kherson before this started.  People of Khersen who stayed behind see how horrible it is under Russian control.  Same goes with Crimea.

Going to get very bloody for the Russians and Putin cannot admit defeat and its army is essentially worn out and defeated.  Sanction take 9 months to be effective and Russia is already several months behind on paying its soldiers. 

Putin cannot launch nuclear missile at Ukraine as the wind will blow it into Belarus or even Russia depending on where it lands.  Last thing Russia needs is a revolution in Belarus. 

I never would have thought Ukraine would get Crimea back but it looks like it will happen in next 12 months. 

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2459 on: August 19, 2022, 10:58:10 PM »
A good article by a Russian journalist.  Its unfortunate FT and GQ are not here, as it addresses their knee jerk anti Americanism.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/12/russia-ukraine-war-crimes-genocide-appeasement-mearsheimer-putin/
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2460 on: August 20, 2022, 03:47:16 AM »
FT ran off to the other place to be among pro-Russian/anti western friends ( although of course the vast majority of him and his new pals still infest western countries,including the rabid pro-orc forum owner, rather than actually live in dumpski ).


The word hypocrites springs to mind.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2461 on: August 20, 2022, 12:06:17 PM »
FT? Didn't notice that forum user in here, do you mean Faux Pas?

Anyhow looking through the news articles today it seems that the opinion is around that we may now be in deadlock on the war in Ukraine. Ukraine is able to hit Russia's ability to resupply and so have halted it's ability to advance mostly. Ukraine though seems to struggle with ability to counter-attack with the orcs is such big numbers in the positions they hold. Kherson in particular they haven't moved upon and I'm not sure they're able to without risking large losses of troops which I believe they aren't willing to take.

So odds are this war will likely be running on for some time with the battlefront largely remaining where it is. Even if Ukraine got a large number of howitzers from the US my guess is that they wouldn't want to pummel their own citizens with them in order to retake Ukrainian cities. Unless Ukraine can find some way of displacing the enemy its likely that the present status quo will remain. For Ukraine the good news is that Russia has been stopped in its advance and early defeat of Ukraine with it. The bad news is that Ukraine may have to endure this stagnated war for quite some time now. So it could likely come down to a war of attrition, I don't think so much in terms of armaments but more likely the economy. I think it will really come down to whose economy will crack first, Ukraine or Russia's. Of recent Ukraine was struggling to pay it's troops only just about managing it. With Russia their economy is also in a bad way with unemployment rising to around 9 percent or more, inflation & interest rates up, etc. So whether regions will start to break away as a result or the people take action who knows.

The only other area is the state of morale in the armies, for Ukraine it's not so bad, even if problems with pay odds are they will hold on, they have little choice in the matter. With Russia it's unknown, their morale is not good but just defending their morale may hold. But I think there might be a good chance that they will get to a point where they have had enough, the soldiers in the ground give up and they all start to desert en-masse. That scenario happened for Russia during WWI so I think it's plausible it could happen again, when that happens who knows. Winter will soon be coming so that means thousands of soldiers suffering cold conditions on both sides so their might be a chance that it could occur then, or it could take years, we'll just have to see I guess.

I think one thing looks more likely though is that whichever side wins it's more likely to be down to other aspects than winning on the battlefield, namely the economy, cracked morale or disintegration of the state.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2462 on: August 20, 2022, 12:19:25 PM »
A good article by a Russian journalist.  Its unfortunate FT and GQ are not here, as it addresses their knee jerk anti Americanism.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/12/russia-ukraine-war-crimes-genocide-appeasement-mearsheimer-putin/

That article cannot be read without a subscription.
Any link without a required subscription ?
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2463 on: August 20, 2022, 01:36:51 PM »
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2464 on: August 20, 2022, 03:33:43 PM »
FT? Didn't notice that forum user in here, do you mean Faux Pas?




FT is fathertime....a shopkeeper in the USA who has made plenty of posts on this thread with a propensity to big-up Russia and how mighty it is whilst running down the USA/West.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2465 on: August 20, 2022, 04:41:48 PM »

FT is fathertime....a shopkeeper in the USA who has made plenty of posts on this thread with a propensity to big-up Russia and how mighty it is whilst running down the USA/West.

Ah, of course, thanks CB a long time poster here and there or like you say was. I recall FT wasn't too keen on getting the vaccine despite coming into contact with some customers who seemed to have the virus.

Well the way I see it, it was Putler who attacked Ukraine in an unprovoked attack. If Ukraine was getting closer to the west in alignment it was through their own choice as an independent country. Russia essentially did not contest Ukraine becoming a free independent country at the end of the USSR so they've really got no right to move in now.

My guess is that if Ukraine can hold on and so far they have then it may be more likely that Russia will end up expending too much on it all and either it's troops will desert en-masse and/or a second break up of Russian territory will occur so thereby ending the conflict. I think the west will back Ukraine all the way as they know the price of Ukraine falling is too great and a return to dealing with a great Russian Empire threat again. If Russia fails on the other hand then it could be the end of any Russian threat for good or at least a very long time, that's got to be good news for us in the west si just a case of us keeping up the good fight.

It's a shame others don't see it that way, the west might not always act without notice but Putler is just after grabbing what he thinks he can get and damn all the suffering involved, he's just a bad guy that's leading Russia down the wrong path and needs to be gone.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2466 on: August 20, 2022, 05:56:24 PM »
http://archive.ph/WwH6l

Thanks for that.

What he wrote is very similar to what was in another article referenced here some days ago.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2467 on: August 21, 2022, 03:54:03 AM »
Prominent assassination carried out, IRA car bomb style:

http://news.sky.com/story/daughter-of-russian-ultra-nationalist-killed-in-suspected-car-bomb-attack-12678269

A pretty girl but a Putler sympathiser. Looks like the bomb was intended for her father but her choosing to drive his car unusual random chance meant that she suffered the horrible fate instead. I wonder how the Father feels now about his views and influence on the invasion of Ukraine now that misery from that conflict has come home to roost.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2468 on: August 21, 2022, 08:39:49 AM »
Alexander Dugin, Russian Mastermind behind Russia's annexation of Crimea, AKA "Putin's brains", daughter, Dariya Dugin, was killed when her car exploded. Most likely from an assassination attempt that meant to target Dugin himself.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2469 on: August 21, 2022, 01:11:56 PM »
Alexander Dugin, Russian Mastermind behind Russia's annexation of Crimea, AKA "Putin's brains", daughter, Dariya Dugin, was killed when her car exploded. Most likely from an assassination attempt that meant to target Dugin himself.

Yeah apparently into philosophy. Guess they got taught the philosophy that if 'you cause shit to happen to others they'll cause you shit in return'.

Reckon this is the way forward, target Putlers family and all of his henchmen, car bomb and assassinate them see how they like some of the misery they are inflicting on the Ukrainian people back on them.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2470 on: August 21, 2022, 02:44:12 PM »
Alexander Dugin, Russian Mastermind behind Russia's annexation of Crimea, AKA "Putin's brains", daughter, Dariya Dugin, was killed when her car exploded. Most likely from an assassination attempt that meant to target Dugin himself.


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2471 on: August 21, 2022, 07:07:10 PM »
Alexander Dugin, Russian Mastermind behind Russia's annexation of Crimea, AKA "Putin's brains", daughter, Dariya Dugin, was killed when her car exploded. Most likely from an assassination attempt that meant to target Dugin himself.


The car didn't explode... a bomb did.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2472 on: August 22, 2022, 05:33:54 AM »
From recent news out in the UK I wonder if the groundwork is being laid paving the way for British troops to be sent out to Ukraine:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-soldiers-told-ready-war-27791322.amp

I personally think this would be a mistake as it's not directly our fight so we should keep out of it. Possibly with the fighting looking like it's becoming deadlocked and military aid possibly looking like economic aid may be needed moreso in future and for a long time the west might be deciding it may struggle to prop up Ukraine economically for that long as Ukraine's economy may not be far off bust now.

Russia still hasn't actually declared war on Ukraine so apparently it's still a special military operation. So we wouldn't necessarily be entering a war - in name at least. I still don't think it would be a good idea but we along with the US always seem to end up going into these things.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2473 on: August 22, 2022, 12:01:46 PM »
Republican national army.
Partisan russian movement is taking responcibility for Dugins daughters death.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2474 on: August 22, 2022, 01:46:20 PM »
Republican national army.
Partisan russian movement is taking responcibility for Dugins daughters death.

You are being corrupted by a person who writes in Cyrillic.  :-)
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