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« Reply #500 on: February 22, 2022, 07:45:18 AM »

I wonder what Bidens's response would be if Mexico illegally annexed Texas, on behalf of the Mexican speakers there, and sent troops and Tanks in to hold it ?
Heck we probably have more spanish speaker than Mexico now.  We would be the ones sending the tanks over mexico's border to protect our spanish speakers. 

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« Reply #501 on: February 22, 2022, 08:14:49 AM »
The article was written in easy-to-read English.

http://www.reuters.com/world/us-casts-doubt-biden-summit-with-putin-eyes-new-sanctions-tuesday-official-2022-02-21/


The White House is now calling it "an invasion " after the UK announced it's sanctions against Russia.


The UK leads..others follow  :)
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #502 on: February 22, 2022, 08:45:49 AM »
I wouldn’t call it an invasion yet.
They’ve just formalized their occupation of the illegal breakaway territories which they were doing covertly since 2014.
If they now move to expand their occupation to the whole of Donbas then I would call it an invasion.
But untrustworthy? Most definitely, Putin most certainly has a few screws lose.


A country illegally annexing parts of another country,then sending in troops and Tanks to hold it is an invasion.


Since my post the UK and now the USA are also calling it an invasion.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #503 on: February 22, 2022, 09:08:56 AM »
Heck we probably have more spanish speaker than Mexico now.  We would be the ones sending the tanks over mexico's border to protect our spanish speakers. 

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Well, for what its worth, you always must consider the source. Mexico, even under the best case scenario, have no military capabilities to be a threat to California, much less the US.


Now, just as during the Cuban Missile crisis, if Russia ever tries to sign an anti-USA military pact with Mexico - I guarantee you there will be no 'amassing hundreds of thousands of troops' along our southern border. The response will undoubtedly be absolute.
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« Reply #504 on: February 22, 2022, 09:09:29 AM »
Daily OSCE monitoring reports along the hot zone.


http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports
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« Reply #505 on: February 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM »
NATO has just called it a "further invasion " of Ukraine by Russia.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #506 on: February 22, 2022, 09:15:51 AM »
Putin has just asked the Russian assembly for permission to "use force abroad ".


But but it's all western propaganda/warmongering according to GQBlues....whilst NEVER questioning Putin's motives/actions. :rolleyes:


Yet i only see RUSSIAN Tanks and troops invading Ukraine.
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« Reply #507 on: February 22, 2022, 09:17:54 AM »
I wonder what Bidens's response would be if Mexico illegally annexed Texas...  and sent troops and Tanks in to hold it ?
Wasn't that his campaign promise? They did send troops of niñitos.
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« Reply #508 on: February 22, 2022, 09:27:46 AM »
A country illegally annexing parts of another country,then sending in troops and Tanks to hold it is an invasion.
Still hasn't really been announced as "annexed"... Calls it a peacekeeping force for a separatist state.
 Putin is very clever...can't say the same for the outfit we have.
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« Reply #509 on: February 22, 2022, 09:43:03 AM »

The White House is now calling it "an invasion " after the UK announced it's sanctions against Russia.


The UK leads..others follow  :)

Shows clearly since Brexit that we have been storming ahead of the EU on Foreign Policy among many other areas and the EU can but follow on slowly following in our wake.

It's all happening on the EU's border but they seem to have little direction on the matter. Yet the UK which is further away and no longer a part of the EU is as you rightly say CB is leading on the Ukraine issue and has been for many weeks now including giving Ukraine NLAW's and military expertise.

Glad we have our own governing and direction back :)
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« Reply #510 on: February 22, 2022, 09:46:33 AM »
Shows clearly since Brexit that we have been storming ahead of the EU on Foreign Policy among many other areas and the EU can but follow on slowly following in our wake.

It's all happening on the EU's border but they seem to have little direction on the matter. Yet the UK which is further away and no longer a part of the EU is as you rightly say CB is leading on the Ukraine issue and has been for many weeks now including giving Ukraine NLAW's and military expertise.

Glad we have our own governing and direction back :)
All I’ll say is that I’m glad we haven’t got you giving anybody your ‘expertise’.

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« Reply #511 on: February 22, 2022, 10:24:42 AM »
Now, just as during the Cuban Missile crisis, if Russia ever tries to sign an anti-USA military pact with Mexico - I guarantee you there will be no 'amassing hundreds of thousands of troops' along our southern border. The response will undoubtedly be absolute.
Our little monroe doctrine has pretty much held up for a long time.  There could come a point where people or nations start disrespecting it because we (The US) don't really have the right to dictate these sorts of things to other countries in our hemisphere. 

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« Reply #512 on: February 22, 2022, 11:03:47 AM »
Our little monroe doctrine has pretty much held up for a long time.  There could come a point where people or nations start disrespecting it because we (The US) don't really have the right to dictate these sorts of things to other countries in our hemisphere. 

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...and if we keep doing what we're doing, we'll be giving China, if not Russia, good reason to ignore the doctrine.

Back in 2015, Obama, the Euro-Stooge of all people, warned against our further involvement in eastern Europe in the wake of the explosive event that followed the illegal coup of 2014. Let the Ukrainian affairs be solely a European affair. It is evident to all of us now, excursions in Ukraine does not serve our country well.

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Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there….The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-Nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do...Ukraine isn’t a NATO country; they’re never going to be a NATO country–and yet we are treating Ukraine not only as if they are a NATO country, but as if we actually have the capability of protecting them from Russia…..This is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for....[/size]Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there….

[/size]Let the Europeans, for a change that's been long overdue, handle European affair themselves, and without our involvement anymore.
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« Reply #513 on: February 22, 2022, 11:12:39 AM »
Let the Europeans, for a change that's been long overdue, handle European affair themselves, and without our involvement anymore.


Last time we tried that we ended with WWII. Remember "Peace in our times?"
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« Reply #514 on: February 22, 2022, 11:14:04 AM »

Last time we tried that we ended with with WWII. Remember "Peace in our times?"


A mere case of damn if you do, and damn if you don't.
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« Reply #515 on: February 22, 2022, 11:15:24 AM »

A mere case of damn if you do, and damn if you don't.


Funny you mentioned that. Thomas Friedman wrote today a nice piece along the same lines. Sorta.
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« Reply #516 on: February 22, 2022, 11:17:58 AM »

Funny you mentioned that. Thomas Friedman wrote today a nice piece along the same lines. Sorta.

That's my take. We have more than enough problems here at home to be involved in everyone else's halfway around the globe. I feel bad for Ukraine, but certain even 'they' should know where their welfare lie at this time, and the best way forward.

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Now, if there is somebody in this town that would claim that we would consider going to war with Russia over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, they should speak up and be very clear about it. The idea that talking tough or engaging in some military action that is tangential to that particular area is somehow going to influence the decision making of Russia or China is contrary to all the evidence we have seen over the last 50 years...

[/size]Pretty effective words, IMO. Too bad he's been pretty darn silent right now. Why?
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« Reply #517 on: February 22, 2022, 12:00:21 PM »
Putin/Russian Parliament authorizes use of force abroad:

http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-asks-legislators-for-permission-to-use-armed-forces-outside-russia-12548832

Russia removed it's diplomatic staff from Ukraine, surprised they hadn't already.

NATO believe a full scale attack of Ukraine is on the cards.

All coming into play now by the looks of it.
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« Reply #518 on: February 22, 2022, 02:54:06 PM »
Putin says he doesn't intend to abide by Minsk Agreement:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-putin-live-26295655

UK says all UK citizens should now leave Ukraine, obviously the now seemingly inevitable is now expected.

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Putin has apparently said that his intervention 'peacekeeping' covers the whole of the Donbas & Luhansk region (not just the city & separatist areas themselves). So here we may have it, Putin ready to go in & lay claim to the whole of these regions and thereby attacking the Ukrainian army there that stands in his way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10537897/Ukraine-crisis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html
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« Reply #519 on: February 22, 2022, 05:34:17 PM »
Joe Biden... imposing sanctions on the two largest Russian banks that already had sanctions placed on them after the Russian incursion in Crimea :rolleyes: I wish that he was as enthusiastic in taking care of his own country's business.
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« Reply #520 on: February 23, 2022, 03:22:59 AM »
State of emergency now declared in Ukraine..except for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions...with people now having the right to bear arms.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #521 on: February 23, 2022, 03:37:31 AM »
Indeed CB, Australian PM reckons full out Invasion of the whole of Ukraine will happen within 24 hours:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-news-war-putin-invasion-b2021232.html

Ukraine has declared a state of emergency with a full out Invasion thought imminent. My guess is that both sides have now had time to remove Embassy staff, and give notice to citizens to leave respective countries, and everything is now in place for hostilities to commence.

Apparently Russia can only keep its troops on the Ukrainian border for so long because of harsh conditions. Although the winter seems to have been milder this year and will soon be coming out of Winter.

The Russians have been moving in blood supplies which are of course only needed if you plan to attack:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-sanctions-live-26295655

Ukraine has legalised the carrying of arms by its citizens for self defense purposes, will be just like the US now ;D
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« Reply #522 on: February 23, 2022, 03:57:55 AM »
State of emergency now declared in Ukraine..except for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions...with people now having the right to bear arms.

The state of emergency would be imposed for 30 days (renewable) and will cover the whole of Ukraine, with the exception of the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, which already in a state of emergency
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« Reply #523 on: February 23, 2022, 04:03:15 AM »
The Ukrainian President is now calling forward conscripts from the reserve to join the the main regular army:

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-calls-up-reservists-launches-programme-economic-patriotism-2022-02-22/

If I were them I would be making use of that European Tourist visa-free scheme :D

Many of the great and the good have fled Ukraine as the article points out, wealthy businessmen, politicians, etc. I wouldn't see a need to fight if they aren't lol.
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« Reply #524 on: February 23, 2022, 04:25:03 AM »
The Ukrainian President is now calling forward conscripts from the reserve to join the the main regular army:

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-calls-up-reservists-launches-programme-economic-patriotism-2022-02-22/

If I were them I would be making use of that European visa-free scheme :D

Many of the great and the good have fled Ukraine as the article points out, wealthy businessmen, politicians, etc. I wouldn't see a need to fight if they aren't lol.

I have 5 ladies and two small children (Tanyas friend) on their way here right now that used just that to "escape". They drove through Poland yesterday and took the overnight ferry to Sweden so now we are preparing the house to accommodate them for a while.

One of them has her husband in the army near Mariupol right on the frontline and they have been shelled continually for 2 days now.
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