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I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« on: May 20, 2022, 11:18:36 PM »
Hello. Long time since my last op post here!
Has anyone here been scammed by the Canadian and
Kharkiv based marriage agency Ukreine.com?
Well, I am pretty sure I was!
They cater mostly to French and Canadian customers who speak french
but also people in Europe like the UK. You can modify the site language to
engllish too ofc but most their clients are frenchmen.

Well, long story short, I fell for their Youtube propaganda(which they post regularly),
his partnership with matchguaranty's Joe Rickards and also
a youtube video where the owner, Berezniakov, goes through a LIE Detector
test with polygraph! The guy sounds really convincing and actually gives
you good ANTI SCAM advice in his and Joe's channel. He also has a website called
anti-arnaques which supposedly has the largest FSU Scammer database in the industry.
Unfortunately it's just a good Show and a Marketing effort he and his people put up so you can
trust his CORRUPT agency blindsighted!!
The fucking agency ALSO WORKS AS A PPL agency, PPVideo Skype Call,which as you
may already know it's just a CASH MACHINE, CASH COW for agency owners! This way
they milk the conversations so that you spend on meaningless correspondence
with the ladies to "get to know eachother better" before the meeting.

I payed like $75 for Each Video Call in which supposedly they are not allowed to share any
personal information with you which is ridiiculous!
In the end, it's all BULLSHIT as we already know, you might as well just jump on a freaking
plane to Ukraine or the FSU( When there is no WAR ofc) and try your luck even
with cold street pickups or hitting on hot waitresses and you will have like 10X more chances to meet your
match this way than Bullshit PPL agencies like this one. :cluebat:

I actually searched the Forum to see if any others had used it but didn't find too
many references to it! So I would like to read your comments.
Cheers
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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2022, 06:17:01 AM »
What idiot would pay $75 (or anything) to talk on the phone (with anyone)?????
A beautiful woman is pleasant to look at, but it is easier to live with a pleasant acting one.

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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2022, 07:46:27 AM »
"What idiot would pay $75 (or anything) to talk on the phone (with anyone)?????"

one who is VERY HORNY
and inexperienced

$75 is a cheap lesson, if you learn from it

look buddy, stop takin shorcuts
in nature, predators are ALL AROUND the watering holes
you wanna drink, fine
but somebody else wants to make a meal of you
so avoid these shortcuts
go find your own water away from the predators
don't put yourself in somebody else's "game"
cuz usually it's just a spider web, waitin for you to twitch for Mr Spider

instead, make your own game
whatever interests you have that might have some femmine appeal, make a web site about it
have a professional photagrapher create flattering photos of you to add to it
make a nice sympathetic story to go with it
translate it to Russian and go to vkontakte and post it

when you run this up the flagpole, all ya gotta do is look around and see who salutes it

pre-war and pre-covid, I ran my wife's web site selling cosmetics to Ukrainian and Russian women
I did the above, and I had contacts from HUNDREDS of young beautiful women
if I were single, I'd have a potential girlfriend in every major city in Russia/Ukraine
and pick the ones I'd like to visit
but this would be all under MY CONTROL and not a predator's lookin to make a meal out of me
feel the difference?

hope this helps!

PS
the reason you're not allowed to "share personal information" is so you can't shortcut their payments by contacting them directly, this is how the scam works
how could you possibly have a relationship this way?

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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2022, 03:01:33 PM »
Hello. Long time since my last op post here!
Has anyone here been scammed by the Canadian and
Kharkiv based marriage agency Ukreine.com?
Well, I am pretty sure I was!
They cater mostly to French and Canadian customers who speak french
but also people in Europe like the UK. You can modify the site language to
engllish too ofc but most their clients are frenchmen.

Krim gives some real good advice OP from my time in Ukraine I learned that it's best to be as independent as possible. If you want women to contact straight away try Fdating.com you can contact women around the world there. I'm not saying it's the best way but it's normally steady enough there. It's a free website where both men & women put up their own profiles. I'm not saying there aren't bad girls there but the big take away is that you are going to have to learn what a bad girl is, if you can't learn what a bad person is out in Ukraine over time then that could be a problem.

From your post you seem to have an idea of what a scam is, what ppl is, etc and yet you still went along with paying the $75. I'm not saying that no agency is legit as after all they have their business costs to pay for and to make a profit but my guess is here is that they are looking to rake in money over the internet by tossing out their publicity on YouTube and playing a numbers game that they will bait so many guys out of those viewers into a $75 video session with a girl.

If you're finding the free websites too hard going in terms of getting women up then possibly try pay monthly websites such as Elena's Models & DMnotify. I'm not saying your success rate will be good there and that there won't be dodgy girls but using a paid for site will eliminate some of the competition from Keyboard Romeo's. I think at the moment you're in the early stages of this venture and it takes time to suss out the terrain. Once you've done that usually involving some time over there stuff starts falling into place and better strategies develop in terms of getting with FSW. I think for the moment though the above resources are a good early place to start when compared to hitting up random agencies and like Krim says putting yourself in the position of being prayed upon.
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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2022, 04:40:40 AM »
Krim gives some real good advice OP from my time in Ukraine I learned that it's best to be as independent as possible. If you want women to contact straight away try Fdating.com you can contact women around the world there. I'm not saying it's the best way but it's normally steady enough there. It's a free website where both men & women put up their own profiles. I'm not saying there aren't bad girls there but the big take away is that you are going to have to learn what a bad girl is, if you can't learn what a bad person is out in Ukraine over time then that could be a problem.

From your post you seem to have an idea of what a scam is, what ppl is, etc and yet you still went along with paying the $75. I'm not saying that no agency is legit as after all they have their business costs to pay for and to make a profit but my guess is here is that they are looking to rake in money over the internet by tossing out their publicity on YouTube and playing a numbers game that they will bait so many guys out of those viewers into a $75 video session with a girl.

If you're finding the free websites too hard going in terms of getting women up then possibly try pay monthly websites such as Elena's Models & DMnotify. I'm not saying your success rate will be good there and that there won't be dodgy girls but using a paid for site will eliminate some of the competition from Keyboard Romeo's. I think at the moment you're in the early stages of this venture and it takes time to suss out the terrain. Once you've done that usually involving some time over there stuff starts falling into place and better strategies develop in terms of getting with FSW. I think for the moment though the above resources are a good early place to start when compared to hitting up random agencies and like Krim says putting yourself in the position of being prayed upon.

Trench, before dishing out the armchair pundit advice perhaps you’d like to enlighten the OP about your success rate and those winning strategies you used to get with those hot fsuw?

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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2022, 11:47:13 PM »
What idiot would pay $75 (or anything) to talk on the phone (with anyone)?????

Same kind of idiot AND imbecile that would recommend UKRAINEDATE.COM
(See post: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.)
as "great" sites to meet FSU women!! Which is a dating site well known for being
a site crawling with scammers, although it's a monthly subscription site!
Heard dozens of scam stories from this website.
Also, BADOO.com?? Pleeeease! Just like tinder and mamba.ru these are horrible
and LOW QUALITY sites for finding good date or sth, not to mention serious
relationships with a woman. Even Stryker and other dating experts tell you APPS like
Tinder are just horrible for what most guys her are looking for.
Ofc for this guy $75 is just a fucking fortune what I lost, cuz he must be like dead BROKE,
but for me it's like nothing, like the money I throw at the casino to see if I can win a jackpot
or at least some money. Same here maybe just maybe I thought it could be legit!
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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2022, 12:26:19 AM »
Same kind of idiot AND imbecile that would recommend UKRAINEDATE.COM
(See post: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.)
as "great" sites to meet FSU women!! Which is a dating site well known for being
a site crawling with scammers, although it's a monthly subscription site!
Heard dozens of scam stories from this website.
Also, BADOO.com?? Pleeeease! Just like tinder and mamba.ru these are horrible
and LOW QUALITY sites for finding good date or sth, not to mention serious
relationships with a woman.
RTFM. It's old but not as old as the "pursuing FSUW 101" page: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=23306.0

If you want rock solid advice hit up a lurker here named Davo. He's a heartbreaker who scores more often than Wilt Chamberlain in his prime. I hear he's such a chad he's embedded in one of the Chechen special forces units for a fitness kick so may be hard to get in touch with.

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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2022, 12:47:33 AM »
"What idiot would pay $75 (or anything) to talk on the phone (with anyone)?????"

one who is VERY HORNY
and inexperienced

$75 is a cheap lesson, if you learn from it

look buddy, stop takin shorcuts


Krimster2:

Yeah buddy, "very horny" right? Thanks a lot! Like there wouldn't be any other reasons
for which you would want to find and meet women who you know are SINGLE and ready to MINGLE,
like finding a life partner??
Anyway, perhaps you don't start with the best compliments on your message and I was already
annoyed by the previous poster, up to the point I even wanted to delete the post all along but
then I read the JEWEL you handed to me on your reply. '

Up to this point I perhaps just wanted the already "cooked meal " as we could call it and just pay for it
and eat it just like you would at a restaurant. What I didn't realize before was the VALUE of cooking your
OWN food, which you know will not be contaminated in any way with either dirty hands, rotting food or
if someone just dropped your food to the floor by accident (or on purpose) and just picked it up again
to the plate . Same with marriage agencies, you don't know what these fuckers may be hiding from you that
they know about their girls. Just like this DICKHEAD Berezniakov, who knew and told me this woman had like
dozens of guys bombarding her and that basically she wouldn't take me seriously because of all the offers and
hungry guys after her and that he would rather extend me an offer to meet other "interesting ladies" he had on his
database. He offered to send me this womenn's stats on his site and then retracted by not sending me
a single bit of information knowing the stupidity he had commited! They're just like PIMPS

You are right krimster2, this guy Berezniakov is just one of those predators! But these are not just
any type of predators as they are cynical and just evil. Like I said in my OP, they use this youtube
channel to sell you the idea that they are so legit just because this crook passed a Lie Detector test on
a polygraph and all. So many guys who see these interviews about Scammers with Joe Rickards
just drop their defenses immediately!!! It's what happend to me.

I'm pretty sure Joe already knows that Berezniakov is a scammer too but he's afraid to tarnish his OWN image
as he had posted several videos with this Cyber Criminal exposing the marriage agency scams in Ukraine
and Russia. About Joe, I doubt he uses these same scamming practices as, first, he's not a Ukrainian and
went through the same hurdles as many of us foreigners there. Second, he is not using a PPL scheme or
a Pay Per Date scheme which can also be faked. Third, he actually will tell you what is your Rejection Rate.
PPL scammers, just like the ones in UkrEine DO NOT DISCRIMINATE!! They will accept anybody, old, young,
fat, bald, uninteresting and from ANY country!!

And if you listen to his interviews and collabos with Joe you will see that this is all valuable and real information
but just like the devil, he knows what is good and what is bad, he just doesn't give a fuck! Ofc, accusing others
of being scammers and "look! all the bad things they do!" is all a way to easily earn your trust, take business
AWAY from all these other popular sites like Anastasia, UADreams and Victoria Hearts, bring it to himself  and
screw you too in similar ways.

In my case it's not so much about the money I lost but the way they manipulate you, the
lost time and emotions you invested in this supposed person, who is actually a real person but someone like
a payed actor who is just "on the clock" and as soon as you stop paying and you stop corresponding: it's GAME OVER!
She wouldn't give a rats ass if you stop corresponding and paying for their fake communication. Along comes
a dozen more bozos who are willing to pay for their scam spam letters and communication, and she and the agency
just keep raking in the profits of all this charade.

Perhaps you think I'm not learning from my mistakes, you are wrong. The other PPL sites I used in the past DID NOT
offer skype calls or phone call as opposed to this one, and these are all tips and advice that many of you also give to know
if a woman is real and serious. On previous scam sites they offered me video chats, where you cannot listen or be heard
by the lady, just what you type on the keyboard. In my experience I noticed some of them had looping videos in which
the woman was playing a video game so you could see different videos of her and one other woman who didn't have a looping
video and was really broadcasting live but in the end had NO intention of communicating outside of her scam website.
This was where ukreeine convinced me, as I didn't wait long to check if she was real via Skype.
She was real alright! ... A real actress! A real SCAMMER!
Well, that's my partial analysis of all this so far, so thanks a lot for taking the time and for giving me valuable advice on how
to be ahead of the game from now on )

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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2022, 01:13:12 AM »
Krim gives some real good advice OP from my time in Ukraine I learned that it's best to be as independent as possible. If you want women to contact straight away try Fdating.com you can contact women around the world there. I'm not saying it's the best way but it's normally steady enough there. It's a free website where both men & women put up their own profiles. I'm not saying there aren't bad girls there but the big take away is that you are going to have to learn what a bad girl is, if you can't learn what a bad person is out in Ukraine over time then that could be a problem.

I'm not going to tell you I'm the best at reading people and their intentions so that's why in the beginning I thought paying
for a marriage agency to weed out the scammers and insincere women would help but turns out that the very agencies nowadays
are the scammers in the first place for the most part !!! They are the PREDATORS like krimster2 states
Sad world we live in!
As you say it's best to be as independent as possible. I had said in the beginning in one of my posts, the one about Trip Reports
I believe, that I would be trying Street pickup when I got to Kiev and other cities of Ukraine to which several guys highly
criticized me for not having a more solid plan. Well, to me this is as solid as you can get! you are in THEIR country, you are OUT
there and putting yourself on the line, if she doesn't like you or interacts badly with you from the get go, she's done! On to the
next and you will know which girls are your solid leads. With online, even with fdating.com you don't have that. This is as real
and serious as you can get. Maybe you will need 1 month stay or more but at least you will be making real progress and not
the bunch of BS that the agencies and dating sites feed you!

From your post you seem to have an idea of what a scam is, what ppl is, etc and yet you still went along with paying the $75. I'm not saying that no agency is legit as after all they have their business costs to pay for and to make a profit but my guess is here is that they are looking to rake in money over the internet by tossing out their publicity on YouTube and playing a numbers game that they will bait so many guys out of those viewers into a $75 video session with a girl.

If you're finding the free websites too hard going in terms of getting women up then possibly try pay monthly websites such as Elena's Models & DMnotify. I'm not saying your success rate will be good there and that there won't be dodgy girls but using a paid for site will eliminate some of the competition from Keyboard Romeo's. I think at the moment you're in the early stages of this venture and it takes time to suss out the terrain. Once you've done that usually involving some time over there stuff starts falling into place and better strategies develop in terms of getting with FSW. I think for the moment though the above resources are a good early place to start when compared to hitting up random agencies and like Krim says putting yourself in the position of being prayed upon.

This is exactly what I'm talking about and you know. I also didn't want to face the hundreds and hundreds of keyboar romeos KJs you
find on the free sites! Paying a subscription or paying for credits, is a way for the woman to know how serious you are about meeting her and all. Just like the people who pay for a monthly GYM subscription, usually these people are more serious and more commited than those who don't and just go in for a walk or jogging every now and then, although you can always find people who just go there to mingle with other people and not really work out.

After this terrible experience and at this stage I have decided I will not play the PPL game or Skype calls through agencies anymore. If I decide to continue searching for eligible singles through agencies they will have to offer the pay per contact dynamic, this way I will contact them directly and from that point on just trust my gut feeling and not wonder if she's acting interested simply because I'm paying for every letter or communication.
Cheers Trench!
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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2022, 02:03:34 AM »
I'm not going to tell you I'm the best at reading people and their intentions so that's why in the beginning I thought paying
for a marriage agency to weed out the scammers and insincere women would help but turns out that the very agencies nowadays
are the scammers in the first place for the most part !!! They are the PREDATORS like krimster2 states
Sad world we live in!
As you say it's best to be as independent as possible. I had said in the beginning in one of my posts, the one about Trip Reports
I believe, that I would be trying Street pickup when I got to Kiev and other cities of Ukraine to which several guys highly
criticized me for not having a more solid plan. Well, to me this is as solid as you can get! you are in THEIR country, you are OUT
there and putting yourself on the line, if she doesn't like you or interacts badly with you from the get go, she's done! On to the
next and you will know which girls are your solid leads. With online, even with fdating.com you don't have that. This is as real
and serious as you can get. Maybe you will need 1 month stay or more but at least you will be making real progress and not
the bunch of BS that the agencies and dating sites feed you!

This is exactly what I'm talking about and you know. I also didn't want to face the hundreds and hundreds of keyboar romeos KJs you
find on the free sites! Paying a subscription or paying for credits, is a way for the woman to know how serious you are about meeting her and all. Just like the people who pay for a monthly GYM subscription, usually these people are more serious and more commited than those who don't and just go in for a walk or jogging every now and then, although you can always find people who just go there to mingle with other people and not really work out.

After this terrible experience and at this stage I have decided I will not play the PPL game or Skype calls through agencies anymore. If I decide to continue searching for eligible singles through agencies they will have to offer the pay per contact dynamic, this way I will contact them directly and from that point on just trust my gut feeling and not wonder if she's acting interested simply because I'm paying for every letter or communication.
Cheers Trench!

Good you've come to see the light on the scams out in Ukraine ILU. A lot use the debunk a dodgy agency method then do the same to reel their prey in. I'm not saying they are all like that but be wary.

Scams are not just limited to agencies & agents of course but to girls from virtually anywhere where you pick them up. The street pick up may be the least likely to turn them up but I wouldn't choose method solely based on scam avoiding. I think you have been stung by a scam and are reacting as a result, that's natural but scam stuff really is just a lot of messing around, it's early stuff usually that newbies get stung on and get cheesed off by. I don't blame them I was a bit like that, though it depends what is a scam. It's really best to put your feelings aside on that now and move on past all that. $75 is quite a cheap lesson to learn in terms of being scammed, some people lose out hundreds or even thousands, you kind of learnt your lesson at a cheap price. So long as you recognize where you went wrong as you seem to and don't make the same mistake again you can do better in future.

So it's all really about how you go from here and on that one you're not far off from being in the same boat as me. I would say where you go from here is largely a personal choice and what you can bring to bear, your lifestyle, etc. Essentially how long you can be away from your home country or place of work. If you can get out to the FSU I would do. Ukraine I wouldn't go to at the moment because of the war and having to cross the border by land as it can be an ordeal. Countries in the Balkans can be a viable alternative particularly those not in the EU such as Moldova, Serbia, etc. I think getting out there is most important and not spend too much time on internet dating stuff. Street pick up though isn't always easy, it comes with hitting on women that may be married, dating or just not interested in you. It's really best if a woman eyes you up in a flirty eye sort of way and that doesn't happen a lot out there as people keep to their own self a bit when out and about.

Pay monthly websites isn't a bad way to go, I've heard DMnotify is good as they weed out scammers and seem quite successful at it. Elena's Models is a more polished looking site I think but I've found in the past that a fair amount of profiles are fake and get pulled after a number of months. Even so I have interacted with ones that aren't and even met an attractive lady of there. Elena's Models have in the past used feeder agencies to provide profiles and hence why some profiles are fake. Up to you, you could use both or either but I think with EM its a case that time may get wasted writing to fake profiles even if you're not asked for money so personally I think DMnotify may be your better bet.

So I would write to a lady, free video chat on Skype or similar then go meet. Alternatively if you can live out there then that opens up a whole new ball game. Understand a lot of the women on international dating sites anywhere in the world will have their motivations for doing so. It may not be bad motivations always but they are putting themselves on their instead of going or the local guys so there's normally a reason for that. So I would say put the scam stuff behind you now, join up with a good pay monthly site and crack on! Let us know how you get on.
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Re: I was BRUTALLY scammed by Ukreine.com!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2022, 11:23:58 AM »
Same kind of idiot AND imbecile that would recommend UKRAINEDATE.COM
(See post: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.)
as "great" sites to meet FSU women!! Which is a dating site well known for being a site crawling with scammers, although it's a monthly subscription site!
Heard dozens of scam stories from this website.
Also, BADOO.com?? Pleeeease! Just like tinder and mamba.ru these are horrible and LOW QUALITY sites for finding good date or sth, not to mention serious relationships with a woman.

Not sure if your comments were directed toward me (the originator of Pursuing FSUW 101) but, in any event, I have the following comments.

1. Nowhere did I use the word "great" with respect to any site posted.

2. I always encouraged others to add new sites, and to evaluate existing sites for continued relevance.

Here are examples of my follow-on postings when others added a site or made complaints about existing sites:

I haven't used it, but others here said they did to satisfactory results.
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Some of you that are interested can check it out and report back here on what you think.
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Very excellent posting Gaspar; thanks a lot for it.
This is exactly the type of info that those in the hunt should be sharing.
Very specific analysis rather than just wild statements that some make about a site being great or terrible.
Thanks again.
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This is the place to add info, not just mention what is missing.
So . . . tell what are the app based dating sites.
This thread does always need constant updating to keep current; so everyone . . . do it!!!
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** And my 'crown jewel' posting:

Periodically there are complaints that my original list is out of date:
OK you 'up to date guys'  please provide a listing of those sites in my original listing that are not even around anymore.
Complaints without solutions are not very productive.
Then, we can see if a moderator can go into the thread and delete those.
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