How are Eastern European women for dating? Advice some best Russian dating sites

[dragonkid]

EM is just trying to divert attention from its fundamental problem, that is lack of females. They have a good price plan, they charge a lot, but the people doing this search have money to spend, so it is not a problem. The problem is they are too greedy, and think if they put in cheap gimmicks they will not need to address the problems. It will work for a certain amount of time, but soon enough you will be left behind, cupid dominates EM, and that gap will get bigger. I would sack whoever is managing the business, as guys on here already noticed the slip, it will just get worse. Change your business plan, or die.

[Trenchcoat]

I didn't find anyone interesting, so i went to spain instead with my brother. Brother beats meaningless sex in Russia  I haven't felt really good about this search since i first started, i am just really drifting through it, my heart is not there. The women i see don't really take my breath away, this girl does, she is funny, down to earth, and is a model that works in Moscow with  tv appearances, make up teams, and a big social media following, she makes me feel like she is doing me a favour, rather than the other way around. I really need that from a woman, someone that makes me worship the ground she walks, and feel damn lucky.

She could be the one then DK, worth checking her out by going to see her, there's no other way, I would do. Still its great you get on well with your brother, I have a brother too I am close to and used to go on trips together - they were great. However, his into different type of woman to me its recently transpired a few years ago. He likes chubby women I find this shocking as nothing could turn me off more of a women, yet he only seems interested in them and is currently with one. Plenty of them around these days, lol but I couldn't go with one.

Anyway, I digress, read 'Odessa Dreams' recently, just reinforced a lot of what I already knew and suspected. Scamming of all variety is rife and a way of life for many of these women. Though the point comes up that many would give it up if they found a guy where there was 'chemistry' there as at heart they really do want a loving relationship with kids - well the ones not already with a guy behind the scenes do, apparently. So what we suspected a few posts ago - a women is a scammer until she finds the right guy. So just a question of finding one where there is chemistry I think, not easy from dating sites as even with skype I think some girls turn on the charm a bit to get you over there for a scam of some sort - a few freebies etc. So unless you've got a girl that really has the chemistry going for you a lot on skype then little to compare with - particularly in my case as she sat back a bit from the webcam and of course if a girl seems thrilled with the prospect of you visiting then the signs look good.

I'm planning to proceed with holiday next month but will take it as it comes with the girls that I meet. My thoughts are that boots on the ground is probably the best way but perhaps not so much at a social. More on a kind of strategy where you can meet women on a non-dating format so you are not immediately suckered into the dating circus but can meet with women that may be single (and apparently they are many there) on a more formal basis first. Just my thoughts at the moment so will think about this more in the coming weeks I think. Still I'm thinking my trip out Odessa way will help to gain more familiarity on this front I'm thinking. Just something I thought off to get of my chest so to speak.

[dragonkid]

She could be the one then DK, worth checking her out by going to see her, there's no other way, I would do. Still its great you get on well with your brother, I have a brother too I am close to and used to go on trips together - they were great. However, his into different type of woman to me its recently transpired a few years ago. He likes chubby women I find this shocking as nothing could turn me off more of a women, yet he only seems interested in them and is currently with one. Plenty of them around these days, lol but I couldn't go with one.

Anyway, I digress, read 'Odessa Dreams' recently, just reinforced a lot of what I already knew and suspected. Scamming of all variety is rife and a way of life for many of these women. Though the point comes up that many would give it up if they found a guy where there was 'chemistry' there as at heart they really do want a loving relationship with kids - well the ones not already with a guy behind the scenes do, apparently. So what we suspected a few posts ago - a women is a scammer until she finds the right guy. So just a question of finding one where there is chemistry I think, not easy from dating sites as even with skype I think some girls turn on the charm a bit to get you over there for a scam of some sort - a few freebies etc. So unless you've got a girl that really has the chemistry going for you a lot on skype then little to compare with - particularly in my case as she sat back a bit from the webcam and of course if a girl seems thrilled with the prospect of you visiting then the signs look good.

I'm planning to proceed with holiday next month but will take it as it comes with the girls that I meet. My thoughts are that boots on the ground is probably the best way but perhaps not so much at a social. More on a kind of strategy where you can meet women on a non-dating format so you are not immediately suckered into the dating circus but can meet with women that may be single (and apparently they are many there) on a more formal basis first. Just my thoughts at the moment so will think about this more in the coming weeks I think. Still I'm thinking my trip out Odessa way will help to gain more familiarity on this front I'm thinking. Just something I thought off to get of my chest so to speak.

Me and him have a really good relationship, he has a gf, which is why we didn't go to Russia. Even if he didn't he wouldn't do the fsu search, and i wouldn't even want him to. You need to be mentally strong, some of the guys can do it, some can't, i am the one that it wouldn't work out for. Divorce rates coming from the guys on here is over 50%, if you and me stay here for a few more years we are going to see a few marriages shatter, a few i know are going to happen, i didn't know the full story till people filled me in.

The ground work is the best way, casually go for a meal, have a laugh, enjoy yourself, don't get results focused. At the moment i got two women i really like physically, i am not going to settle and look for my soul mate, i am just going to have fun with the wrong type of women but enjoy myself doing it. If it fails, so what? I have some fun in the bedroom with them and lose nothing.  If i wasn't going to be able to live in russia, it would be a different story, and maybe in a way it would work against me.

I am fortunate, scammers don't contact me. Why waste time on a young guy in his 20's? The women i talk to find me interesting, if they wanted a guy to pay for their school fees they would go to someone else, they don't see me doing it, which is funny because i offered it to my ex, or she could open a coffee shop in london (I gave her a range of ideas). I am going to have fun with women i don't know are compatible, but at least they see me more than just a wallet like most. I am too young for them to consider me as a mule, none of them believe i want to get married really. Morty said at 30+ women take you seriously, maybe in a way it is good they don't take me seriously, and like me for me.

[BillyB]

I am fortunate, scammers don't contact me. Why waste time on a young guy in his 20's?

They scam the old guys but they prefer to marry a younger guy. An old guy can get scammed for a few months out of his life. A younger guy may get scammed for the rest of his life. Marry no girl that treats you well while treating others poorly. Eventually you will get the same treatment when she puts you in the doghouse.

[dragonkid]

They scam the old guys but they prefer to marry a younger guy. An old guy can get scammed for a few months out of his life. A younger guy may get scammed for the rest of his life. Marry no girl that treats you well while treating others poorly. Eventually you will get the same treatment when she puts you in the doghouse.

True, which is why i want to spend time with a woman before contemplating marriage. Some guys feel bad about the distance, and want to hurry the process along (i felt this before). If i am there, i can spend years, and eventually i will see my partners true side, often some women where masks and drop it as time progresses, something you will see if you are alert and spend time with them.

I was talking to larry about this in chat, but often people marry the wrong people because they have limited choice. In russia i will have plenty to choose from, so i could afford to be picky. Like how nightwish goes on trips, because he knows his next trip won't be his last. I will feel the same about the women i am with. I may get so picky that i end up not marrying anyone, which wouldn't be too bad 

[Deasonstacy]

EM is just trying to divert attention from its fundamental problem, that is lack of females. They have a good price plan, they charge a lot, but the people doing this search have money to spend, so it is not a problem. The problem is they are too greedy, and think if they put in cheap gimmicks they will not need to address the problems. It will work for a certain amount of time, but soon enough you will be left behind, cupid dominates EM, and that gap will get bigger. I would sack whoever is managing the business, as guys on here already noticed the slip, it will just get worse. Change your business plan, or die.

Well DK, the site has really worked well for me and I hope that it will also work well for my friend as well. It is also possible that those who have had a good experience have found, but you would not have found your desired mate, after all it is not necessary that everyone gets full satisfaction.

[dragonkid]

Well DK, the site has really worked well for me and I hope that it will also work well for my friend as well. It is also possible that those who have had a good experience have found, but you would not have found your desired mate, after all it is not necessary that everyone gets full satisfaction.

If i used only EM, and found someone, would you say EM is the best site? Finding someone doesn't prove anything, it just means there are legitimate females on the site, but i am making a comparison of EM to other sites like cupid. It wouldn;t be fair to compare EM to Mamba, as both are different sites, mamba is more for local russians, EM is for foreign dating. Cupid and other foreign dating sites may just have EM beat, i will be using EM when i move to Russia. I don't mind spending £500 a year on something that may get me a few women, even though i know vast improvements could be made on the site. that is like spending £40 a month, i could spend that in a night in a bar easily, and still leave with my dick in my hand, so £40 a month on EM isn't an issue. For others on the other hand, they don't believe in joining a vast variety of sites, i think it is silly. But it is their opinion, and as you or your boss is running a business, they need to understand that, and cater EM in being above all other sites who specialise in foreign dating. Not necessarily on the price, but on the volume of genuine women seeking a foreign partner, many people wouldn't mind spending even more on monthly subscriptions if you could ensure their money is being well spent. i don't expect EM to be a charity, but for your sake and for your customers, be a little more generous.

[Trenchcoat]

From reading 'Odessa Dreams' I get the impression a lot of women mess up their own chances of finding a guy because they are too busy focusing on trying to scam some poor dude that they have happened to come into contact with but have no chemistry with. The time these women spend on scamming the dude to get easy money is time they cannot spend with a guy that they really like, which is apparently what many are truly after in their heart.

Dating agencies that educate the women to avoid this 'short termism' of scamming a guy and promote the benefits of finding a real partner while showing the pitfalls to the woman of being an opportunist scammer with guys theat show up along the way in their search is what any agency that wants to project a decent image to guy should do. If guys know an agency is decent and makes a real effort to educate and put forward women that will not look to make a fast buck along the way then that is the agency guys will flock to. Standing back and saying 'that is the responsibility of the guy to ensure...' when they know they are awash with opportunist women that seek to dupe guys will do an agency no good. The idea of an agency is to provide a 'service' in exchange for the membership fee. The better the service the more higher the member ship fee it can command and the more clients it will get. A poor service will result in fewer members even if the fee being charged is high. All scams eventually get uncovered and when they do clients will vote with their feet.

The potential is there for all sides to be satisfied. Wrecking the market through short term gain seeking benefits no one, it merely kills of the goose that lays the golden egg - guys will go elsewhere/use other methods to get to their goal or merely give up in frustration to what they see as a hopeless situation of an unobtainable dream filled with vultures. A girl will be most satisfied with the right guy in a prosperous country, a girl will be most satisfied with the right girl in a happy relationship/family setting and the agency will be most satisfied with a healthy steady/growing stream of clients with few complaints and ill will.     

[Trenchcoat]

Me and him have a really good relationship, he has a gf, which is why we didn't go to Russia. Even if he didn't he wouldn't do the fsu search, and i wouldn't even want him to. You need to be mentally strong, some of the guys can do it, some can't, i am the one that it wouldn't work out for. Divorce rates coming from the guys on here is over 50%, if you and me stay here for a few more years we are going to see a few marriages shatter, a few i know are going to happen, i didn't know the full story till people filled me in.

The ground work is the best way, casually go for a meal, have a laugh, enjoy yourself, don't get results focused. At the moment i got two women i really like physically, i am not going to settle and look for my soul mate, i am just going to have fun with the wrong type of women but enjoy myself doing it. If it fails, so what? I have some fun in the bedroom with them and lose nothing.  If i wasn't going to be able to live in russia, it would be a different story, and maybe in a way it would work against me.

I am fortunate, scammers don't contact me. Why waste time on a young guy in his 20's? The women i talk to find me interesting, if they wanted a guy to pay for their school fees they would go to someone else, they don't see me doing it, which is funny because i offered it to my ex, or she could open a coffee shop in london (I gave her a range of ideas). I am going to have fun with women i don't know are compatible, but at least they see me more than just a wallet like most. I am too young for them to consider me as a mule, none of them believe i want to get married really. Morty said at 30+ women take you seriously, maybe in a way it is good they don't take me seriously, and like me for me.

I wish I had gotten into this world more when I was in my 20's but did not know it existed - the internet was nowhere near like it is now - if you got an ad up on your screen for 'Russian women/dating' you would almost immediately regard it as dodgy and move on. Information on Russian dating was not available on the internet as widely as it is now if much at all.

Time passes fast DK I would capitalize as much from being in your 20's as you can, you won't be able to do it in your 30's even if you look in decent shape time begins to tell with everyone. Date the women you might not be able to date in your 30's, 40's, etc. The ones that really strike you. Get with them, settle down & have kids. A decade passes so quickly, your in your mid 20's now but mid 30's occur surprisingly fast before you realize it, you get busy doing stuff, etc. Seems like just yesterday I was in my mid 20's blinked and here I am, late 30's - a few Christmas's is all what it really is and we all know how quickly they pass.

When I first looked in Russian Dating I was in my early thirties, then the credit crunch/recession occurred and myself like many on here had to drop it as an idea for a few years. This was evident since the number of threads/posts on here dwindled to virtually non-existent. Now our economy has bounce back somewhat (well compared to Russia/Ukraine at any rate) and interest is back more that ever I think. Even still I wish that I had continued to pursue it more in my early thirties, kept up learning the language etc, but other goals came to the fore and dominated my time. Still for me I will get involved and see what I can make of it. Just saying time input now while your young can reap dividends later potentially, that and you don't end back here in a decade wondering what might have happen if you stayed in the frame years ago. You sound like you are in a good position financially compared to many in their mid twenties if all of what you said is true so if I were you I would capitalize on your youth & financial position and not let time/events slip by.

[alex330]

I get the impression a lot of women mess up their own chances of finding a guy because they are too busy focusing on trying to scam some poor dude that they have happened to come into contact with but have no chemistry with. The time these women spend on scamming the dude to get easy money is time they cannot spend with a guy that they really like, which is apparently what many are truly after in their heart.

I have a feeling you may be correct in many cases...

[ML]

Time passes fast DK I would capitalize as much from being in your 20's as you can, you won't be able to do it in your 30's even if you look in decent shape time begins to tell with everyone. Date the women you might not be able to date in your 30's, 40's, etc.

You sound like you are in a good position financially compared to many in their mid twenties if all of what you said is true so if I were you I would capitalize on your youth & financial position and not let time/events slip by.

It has been discussed here many times before that this pursuit of FSUW is mostly only for mid age to older guys.

The reasons being

1) younger guys can find the younger women they want in their own home country and

2) 'most' younger guys do not have the financial means to bring an FSUW to their home country and support her for some extended time period.

DK should not be doing this based on (1) and we really don't know what is his situation with respect to (2).

[msmobyone]

I get the impression a lot of women mess up their own chances of finding a guy because they are too busy focusing on trying to scam some poor dude that they have happened to come into contact with but have no chemistry with. The time these women spend on scamming the dude to get easy money is time they cannot spend with a guy that they really like, which is apparently what many are truly after in their heart.

Trench, have you BEEN to Ukraine / Russia/ Belarus/ The Stans, yet...?

The clue is not to waste your time on women who might be 'scammers' ...

I have a feeling you MIGHT be labelled 'greedy' ...You have a LOT you learn ....

[wallm]

How is www.loveme.com? There appear to be lots of pretty women on this site. I just wonder how genuine they are.

[Turboguy]

How is www.loveme.com? There appear to be lots of pretty women on this site. I just wonder how genuine they are.

They will genuinely take a lot of your money.  It is a pay per letter site which encourages hot chicks to write lots of letters even if they have no interest in you.

[ML]

. . . hot chicks to write lots of letters even if they have no interest in you.

I have never heard of such a thing !

Isn't that unethical ?

[2tallbill]

How is www.loveme.com? There appear to be lots of pretty women on this site. I just wonder how genuine they are.

Look at how they want you to pay for their services. If it's a pay by the letter site
then they are bad.

Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[msmobyone]

Loveme.com

A site that was showing profiles of ladies that were from 10 years ago, until recently ..

That should be another clue...

Pay by letter is for mugs...if you don't believe us...why would we get into letters from ladies we had previously met ? Anastasiadate...

[ML]

Pay by letter is for mugs...if you don't believe us...why would we get into letters from ladies we had previously met ?

Haven't you ever heard of . . . let's start over and try this again ?

[Trenchcoat]

Trench, have you BEEN to Ukraine / Russia/ Belarus/ The Stans, yet...?

The clue is not to waste your time on women who might be 'scammers' ...

I have a feeling you MIGHT be labelled 'greedy' ...You have a LOT you learn ....

Yes I have been (the Ukraine, Kiev) once a few months ago as it says in my profile trips 1-3.

"The clue is not to waste your time on women who might be 'scammers' ..."

That is easier said than done. We all know to avoid PPL, suspect agencies, agency dates, be wary of tours, etc. but there are a lot of women operating on paid monthly too, women freelancing as scammers. Now they are not going to immediately jump up and announce they are and many are clever enough now not to go for an obvious demand for cash scam. Point being that to avoid the more sophisticated scams it takes experience, of knowing how to handle a situation and what to look for. Some of us are more naturally able/aware than others. Determining if someone 'might be' a scammer is not necessarily going to happen easily, obviously or quickly.

I don't know what you mean by might be labelled 'greedy'.   

[Trenchcoat]

How is www.loveme.com? There appear to be lots of pretty women on this site. I just wonder how genuine they are.

They won't be genuine if its ppl - guys spend thousands of £ or $ writing to these woman as they get suckered in, some may not be even women, or not the women in the photo. 'Odessa Dreams' is a good short book to read to give you the low down on how this scam works. Don't wade through the quagmire of scammers on ppl sites, its bad enough trying to find a real woman that is into you on the more decent pay monthly sites. Have you not read the recent forum posts? I mean why even ask about a dodgy site, you should be able to decern that after reading just a little on here. Don't obsess over pictures of pretty women on one site, until you meet them that is all they are, there are loads of pretty women in the FSU one dating site does not have a monopoly on them. 

[msmobyone]

Yes I have been (the Ukraine, Kiev) once a few months ago as it says in my profile trips 1-3.

Well man - then you should know, better ..

"The clue is not to waste your time on women who might be 'scammers' ..."

That is easier said than done. We all know to avoid PPL, suspect agencies, agency dates, be wary of tours, etc. but there are a lot of women operating on paid monthly too, women freelancing as scammers. Now they are not going to immediately jump up and announce they are and many are clever enough now not to go for an obvious demand for cash scam. Point being that to avoid the more sophisticated scams it takes experience, of knowing how to handle a situation and what to look for. Some of us are more naturally able/aware than others. Determining if someone 'might be' a scammer is not necessarily going to happen easily, obviously or quickly.

I don't know what you mean by might be labelled 'greedy'.

'Greedy' is an expression you'll hear from a FSU women if you apply western standards of dating [ Going Dutch' ] on them....stingy.. would be our version.

BTW

..if you've been to Ukraine...and called it 'the' you have LOTS to learn 

Seriously, if you feel uncomfortable with a woman's expectations on your 'being her man'  you'll need to sit her down and have a chat.

[ML]

..if you've been to Ukraine...and called it 'the' you have LOTS to learn 

I hear that now there are flights available from the Ukraine to the Germany and the France.  I think many flights to the Russia have been suspended.

[Trenchcoat]

Well man - then you should know, better ..

"The clue is not to waste your time on women who might be 'scammers' ..."

'Greedy' is an expression you'll hear from a FSU women if you apply western standards of dating [ Going Dutch' ] on them....stingy.. would be our version.

BTW

..if you've been to Ukraine...and called it 'the' you have LOTS to learn 

Seriously, if you feel uncomfortable with a woman's expectations on your 'being her man'  you'll need to sit her down and have a chat.

Oh, I see what you mean now by stingy, would make sense I guess, think its how it used to be here years back when guy paid for everything, some still do. Well, I paid for everything with my date in the Ukraine, that didn't bother me as everything is dirt cheap there to me such is the currency exchange difference as their currency is so weak now. Plus she was able to get cheaper taxi's by calling direct so I saved quite a lot there anyway so I guess in that way she earned her keep, lol.

I guess I call it 'the' Ukraine possibly as I grew up with it being the USSR in childhood so was all just called Russia. I know Ukrainians my take issue with it but I still see it as a region than a country - still essentially Russian. More of a subconscious thing than any non-realisation that its classed as an independent country I think.

[Boethius]

I know Ukrainians my take issue with it but I still see it as a region than a country - still essentially Russian. More of a subconscious thing than any non-realisation that its classed as an independent country I think.

Make sure to tell Ukrainians you think of their country as a region of Russia.  Given regions of their country were invaded by Russia, and Russia continues to try to stoke violence via operatives, I think they would really appreciate such thoughts.

[Anotherkiwi]

I guess I call it 'the' Ukraine possibly as I grew up with it being the USSR in childhood so was all just called Russia. I know Ukrainians may take issue with it but I still see it as a region than a country - still essentially Russian. More of a subconscious thing than any non-realisation that its classed as an independent country I think.

"May take issue with it?"  Boy, do you have a lot to learn - starting with the fact that Russia is DESCENDED from what is now called Ukraine, NOT the other way around.  Your subconscious needs a light shone into it.

As for "a region rather than a country" - I guess that, for you, everything on the eastern side of the Adriatic Sea must still be called Yugoslavia.  Right?