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Title: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: bookooc on July 19, 2017, 04:41:10 PM

Hello everyone. long-time lurker here.
I have been a member for 10 years, this is my first post. I have been communicating with women from the FSU during this time, and I am finally doing something about it.


I have learned a lot over the years by reading the advice offered by guys like 2tallBill.
I agree with most of what he says. He succeed after all. And is living a great life with a wonderful wife and family.
He is at one end of the spectrum, there are others whom I think have no business trying to establish a relationship with a FSU woman.
They seem to have no clue about ANY woman, let alone one from the FSU. I have learned a lot from them as well, as they have confirmed my instincts on what NOT to do.


 >:D  See, this is why I haven't posted before, and have had to "bite my tongue" when reading some of the immature ranting, childish bickering, willy waving, and $50K bets that are nothing more than pissing contests.
 
Sorry, this is supposed to be about me, but I am just explaining why I have been silent all this time. If you don't have something nice to say...


Now that I have pissed off those people...well, they need to get over it. It's true.


Anyway, I have been communicating with a lovely woman in her late '30's for almost 5 years. She has a 13 year old daughter. I met her on one of the pay sites. I am much older. She wrote me first. I have talked about the age difference so often that she now gets mad at me. She politely tells me to get over it.
Why so long? She wasn't the first I thought I had serious relationship brewing with. So I was cautious. I had the doubts most of you have and having had a painful divorce, well, you get the picture. Then after about a year she disappeared when I was making plans to go see her.
Almost a year later, she was back and very apologetic.
She had an auto accident that resulted in a pedestrian being killed. He was drunk and walked out in front of her car. She was traumatized.
Since then we have written everyday. But i never made the trip, waiting for the other shoe to drop.


I also had a lot going on with my job, I was divorced after 17 years of marriage in 2001, I have a now 27 year old son.
Now I am I 55+ and I realize I am not getting any younger and all I do is work.  She has never asked me for anything, even now when she just lost her job. It's not easy in Cherkasy. She tells me about the rampant inflation, and how hard it is for pensioners, prices go up on food 50% several times a month. She is a college grad and has managed many different businesses. She and her daughter now live in her parents flat. Her parents live most of the spring and summer in the village with grandparents, growing food. She often has to go and be a 'potato slave'. A typical family in Ukraine. I ask her how she will survive without help, she says don't worry, she will find work, it is normal. She won't take my help.


She is easily the most kind, caring and sensitive woman I have ever met. And funny. Model beautiful. 
She has never pressured me about anything, but she does want me to come and see her of course. And she wants me to come there, not Kiev or on some vacation. She doesn't want me to take her shopping. There is a certain young man whose name starts with a T that should take notice of this. She wants me to meet all her family, they all know about me and ask about me all the time. Her daughter loves my dog already. 
The only thing I have sent her is flowers and candy on holidays and birthdays. I wish I had gone 5 years ago when her adorable daughter was younger. I tremble thinking about the possibility of raising a teenage daughter.  I thought I had dodged that bullet.    :)


I plan to fly there in early December.


She doesn't have a laptop, it was stolen. She can't afford another one. She borrows a neighbors to write me (everyday). She doesn't have a smartphone, so she can't use the Skype app on her phone.
I bought a Skype subscription to call her mobile, and have failed miserably at this.


The number appears to be correct, but I always get message in Russian/ Ukrainian saying 'the subscriber is not available to take your call'.


Very frustrating. She says she is not seeing any calls from me. She went to the mobile company and they say it should work.
Skype dials 380-50-058-xxxx
Any advice?


I thought I read that someone was from Cherkasy here on the forum. I would love advice on getting there from Kiev. I understand my options are rental car, train, or bus. I have heard about ride sharing as well.  My lady has already sent me the names of the few hotels there, and I have of course been checking them out online and apartments on Airbnb and booking.com. She has also volunteered to check them out for me. She has already told me some of the rents "sound high". LOL She is very frugal. She says she will make the deals for me if I want.
Before she had to move back in with her parents, she wanted me to come stay with her in her flat. But of course I declined, saying I should at least give her a few days to change her mind after meeting me. That would be awkward.


Ok, I have rambled on long enough. 10 years coming out in one post.


I welcome all advice (well most of it).


Rick
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 19, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
You've waited long enough.   Just do it!
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: bookooc on July 19, 2017, 05:10:06 PM
Yes you are correct. Just tracking fares prices at this point.
thanks

Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: southernX on July 19, 2017, 05:26:53 PM
you are alucky bloke if she has waited for 5 years,

however all else you have written sounds positive , so again , get out to meet her and get on with this next part of the adventure asap

good luck

SX
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 19, 2017, 06:22:28 PM
Yes you are correct. Just tracking fares prices at this point.
thanks

No.  No tracking fares.  No deciding now, in July, that you'll go in December.  Get your butt on a plane.  Now.  Go for a long weekend if you can't take time off. 

These women like/need a man of action.  Everything depends on the chemistry of your meet.  Until you are in her presence, your relationship is mental masturbation.  And waiting another four months is something I cannot comprehend. 

What it seems you cannot comprehend is that until she has a relationship with you, she is too proud to accept any gratuity.  And God knows, she needs it.  If you want to be her 'Real Man' you would go over there, establish the relationship and help her family.  Be her family.

Let me phrase it differently:  If your future wife and step daughter are over there starving, and you are sitting there watching fares go up and down on the internet, waiting for the best fare, I can tell you that you are nowhere near the man you need to be.

You may be over 55 but you are still young enough to get a kick in the ass.




Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: bookooc on July 19, 2017, 06:52:59 PM
No.  No tracking fares.  No deciding now, in July, that you'll go in December.  Get your butt on a plane.  Now.  Go for a long weekend if you can't take time off. 

These women like/need a man of action.  Everything depends on the chemistry of your meet.  Until you are in her presence, your relationship is mental masturbation.  And waiting another four months is something I cannot comprehend. 

What it seems you cannot comprehend is that until she has a relationship with you, she is too proud to accept any gratuity.  And God knows, she needs it.  If you want to be her 'Real Man' you would go over there, establish the relationship and help her family.  Be her family.

Let me phrase it differently:  If your future wife and step daughter are over there starving, and you are sitting there watching fares go up and down on the internet, waiting for the best fare, I can tell you that you are nowhere near the man you need to be.

You may be over 55 but you are still young enough to get a kick in the ass.


Hey guys, thanks for the replies and advice.


jone, don't misunderstand, I am not waiting until the end of the year because I am worried about the price of the fare. That is not dictating when I go. I cannot go until the end of the year as my job requires I work 6 days a week until a week before Thanksgiving. The company I support, (I am in IT) works all summer installing hardware to get ready for the U.S. holidays. The 2 months they make 60 percent of their gross sales. So I am not able to take off the 10-14 days I want to spend with her until then. It's just not possible. She knows this, and is excited that I may be there for Christmas. I am just working out the details at this point.
Also, she is not starving, she has the support of all her family. But you are right that I do need to get over there and support her also.


Thanks for the advice and the virtual kick in the ass. A little ass-kicking never hurt anyone.

Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 19, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
I have written many times that I subscribe to the first meet being a long weekend.  It gives you a chance to get over the willies and familiar with the territory.  It also allows the most critical decision of everything:  Is there chemistry?  The investment is not too high if you are pursuing a WOVO.

Cherkasy to Kyiv is 99 miles.  I would be willing to bet that you are not so indispensable that you cannot be gone from Wednesday night through Monday morning.  That is three days of work being gone.  Get a car or a bus to get you down to her town and make the fricking grand gesture. 

Every guy (or woman) who is reading this will scratch their head at you waiting for five years to spend time with her.  In my eyes, you have failed her.  So I don't subscribe to anyone saying that they cannot wedge free 3 days when working 6 days a week.  Especially with your abject failure to this point in time in getting on a plane.

Now, you can justify to yourself that you have no time off until December.  But if I were a woman and heard that from you, I would paint a big fat L on your forehead.  Either that, or her expectations for a man are so low that she sees you as desirable. 

Be a man.  Talk to your employer.  Take three days off and go and meet this woman.  Find out if she is the one.  Fly there now.  Then, if she is who you hope she is, you can check fares for December. 
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 19, 2017, 07:19:59 PM
Hello everyone. long-time lurker here.
I have been a member for 10 years, this is my first post. I have been communicating with women from the FSU during this time, and I am finally doing something about it.

 :welcome:, Rick!

Be a man.  Talk to your employer.  Take three days off and go and meet this woman.  Find out if she is the one.  Fly there now.  Then, if she is who you hope she is, you can check fares for December.

I agree with jone.  I mean, how would your company cope if you were sick for a few days, or had an accident and ended up in hospital?  Answer: of course they would cope, even if they didn't totally cover your workload.  Same if you take three days' leave now.  Believe me, we understand the pressure in this sort of employment situation, but you still need time to recharge your batteries.  Does every single person in your company work non-stop with no sick days?

Meantime, I'm frankly amazed that she has waited for five years for a first meeting, no matter how well you click online.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 19, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
No.  No tracking fares.  No deciding now, in July, that you'll go in December.  Get your butt on a plane.  Now.  Go for a long weekend if you can't take time off. 


I have written many times that I subscribe to the first meet being a long weekend.  It gives you a chance to get over the willies and familiar with the territory.  It also allows the most critical decision of everything:  Is there chemistry?  The investment is not too high if you are pursuing a WOVO.

Cherkasy to Kyiv is 99 miles.  I would be willing to bet that you are not so indispensable that you cannot be gone from Wednesday night through Monday morning.  That is three days of work being gone.  Get a car or a bus to get you down to her town and make the fricking grand gesture. 

Every guy (or woman) who is reading this will scratch their head at you waiting for five years to spend time with her.  In my eyes, you have failed her.  So I don't subscribe to anyone saying that they cannot wedge free 3 days when working 6 days a week.  Especially with your abject failure to this point in time in getting on a plane.

Now, you can justify to yourself that you have no time off until December.  But if I were a woman and heard that from you, I would paint a big fat L on your forehead.  Either that, or her expectations for a man are so low that she sees you as desirable. 

Be a man.  Talk to your employer.  Take three days off and go and meet this woman.  Find out if she is the one.  Fly there now.  Then, if she is who you hope she is, you can check fares for December. 

I just did  a few  flight checks from Atlanta to Kyiv     -- on quick random look -- $750   to $950 and 14-16 hours --based on  4 days over a weekend in high season.

That is nothing in the context of this search( if that hurts financially-- stop now !) -- and the total  travel time is incredibly good .

On being there only a few days -- as Jon said --it is enough -- both at first meeting-- and to then develop a long distance real relationship .
There are numerous ways to get from the airport -- and it is a good road -- so easy in Ukraine terms . I can give excellent hotel recommendation -- as good as it gets and up to any standard .
So-there are the logistic problems solved !

I also agree with the tenor of Jon's comments here.


One last point -- I would avoid Christmas/New Year for first meeting .
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 19, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
Anyway, I have been communicating with a lovely woman in her late '30's for almost 5 years. She has a 13 year old daughter. I met her on one of the pay sites. I am much older. She wrote me first. I have talked about the age difference so often that she now gets mad at me. She politely tells me to get over it.
Why so long? She wasn't the first I thought I had serious relationship brewing with. So I was cautious. I had the doubts most of you have and having had a painful divorce, well, you get the picture. Then after about a year she disappeared when I was making plans to go see her.

5 years is a long time for a woman or even a man to wait. Don't think you're special. If she had a man of action come along earlier, you wouldn't be here today.

You've talked about the age difference like a broken record. I understand why she's mad. You haven't accepted the fact she's comfortable with it so you bring up the issue as if it still is an issue. Many people don't get it. Why ask why when a young woman chooses an older guy. Men chase women, women choose the man.

Get over your divorce. Quit letting it control your life in any negative way.

You're 55. You should be mature enough to not let things bother you and you should know what you want.

When you visit her and verify she's a winner, get on the fast track to bring her on over. Don't wait to get involved with a good thing(her). Don't ever bring up the age issue again. Don't bring up your divorce or use it as an excuse for a lack of performance on your part. Don't take it as criticism. This advice will help throughout a relationship with the woman.

Welcome to the forum Rick. Lived in Georgia myself. Ft Benning and Ft. Stewart.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
Rick,

..and these are the replies from the guys you didn't 'piss off' ;)

Welcome to the interactive phase of your membership

Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 19, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
As you can guess, I chose to be the hard ass on the forum in dealing with your situation.  But now, upon reading some of the more tactful responses from some of the other members, you may reflect on why I am so hard on you. 

So, I will tell you.  I treated you as I would treat a good friend that is f'ng up his life.  Strong words.  They are not meant to intimidate you, but to help you understand that you are screwing the pooch.  You write that she cannot Skype you and that she has no laptop.  And then you write in a follow-up post that she'll get by.

This is rationalization, plain and simple. 

How you come through for this woman (or any woman) is a challenge to you.  You are at a watershed in your life.  This very well could be the defining moment of happiness for the rest of your time on this earth.  And you came here asking for advice.  All given here is sincere and straightforward.  We all tell you the same thing.  I am just a little more outspoken.

So I will say it again in a different, more tactful way.  This opportunity could very well be the one opportunity in your life for happiness.  I can tell you, from personal experience, that not doing everything in your power to make it come true diminishes your chances. 

As Bill would say:  "Udachi!"
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 20, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
Hello everyone. long-time lurker here.
I have been a member for 10 years, this is my first post. I have been communicating with women from the FSU during this time, and I am finally doing something about it.


I have learned a lot over the years by reading the advice offered by guys like 2tallBill.
I agree with most of what he says. He succeed after all. And is living a great life with a wonderful wife and family.
He is at one end of the spectrum, there are others whom I think have no business trying to establish a relationship with a FSU woman.
They seem to have no clue about ANY woman, let alone one from the FSU. I have learned a lot from them as well, as they have confirmed my instincts on what NOT to do.


 >:D  See, this is why I haven't posted before, and have had to "bite my tongue" when reading some of the immature ranting, childish bickering, willy waving, and $50K bets that are nothing more than pissing contests.
 
Sorry, this is supposed to be about me, but I am just explaining why I have been silent all this time. If you don't have something nice to say...


Now that I have pissed off those people...well, they need to get over it. It's true.


Anyway, I have been communicating with a lovely woman in her late '30's for almost 5 years. She has a 13 year old daughter. I met her on one of the pay sites. I am much older. She wrote me first. I have talked about the age difference so often that she now gets mad at me. She politely tells me to get over it.
Why so long? She wasn't the first I thought I had serious relationship brewing with. So I was cautious. I had the doubts most of you have and having had a painful divorce, well, you get the picture. Then after about a year she disappeared when I was making plans to go see her.
Almost a year later, she was back and very apologetic.
She had an auto accident that resulted in a pedestrian being killed. He was drunk and walked out in front of her car. She was traumatized.
Since then we have written everyday. But i never made the trip, waiting for the other shoe to drop.


I also had a lot going on with my job, I was divorced after 17 years of marriage in 2001, I have a now 27 year old son.
Now I am I 55+ and I realize I am not getting any younger and all I do is work.  She has never asked me for anything, even now when she just lost her job. It's not easy in Cherkasy. She tells me about the rampant inflation, and how hard it is for pensioners, prices go up on food 50% several times a month. She is a college grad and has managed many different businesses. She and her daughter now live in her parents flat. Her parents live most of the spring and summer in the village with grandparents, growing food. She often has to go and be a 'potato slave'. A typical family in Ukraine. I ask her how she will survive without help, she says don't worry, she will find work, it is normal. She won't take my help.


She is easily the most kind, caring and sensitive woman I have ever met. And funny. Model beautiful. 
She has never pressured me about anything, but she does want me to come and see her of course. And she wants me to come there, not Kiev or on some vacation. She doesn't want me to take her shopping. There is a certain young man whose name starts with a T that should take notice of this. She wants me to meet all her family, they all know about me and ask about me all the time. Her daughter loves my dog already. 
The only thing I have sent her is flowers and candy on holidays and birthdays. I wish I had gone 5 years ago when her adorable daughter was younger. I tremble thinking about the possibility of raising a teenage daughter.  I thought I had dodged that bullet.    :)


I plan to fly there in early December.


She doesn't have a laptop, it was stolen. She can't afford another one. She borrows a neighbors to write me (everyday). She doesn't have a smartphone, so she can't use the Skype app on her phone.
I bought a Skype subscription to call her mobile, and have failed miserably at this.


The number appears to be correct, but I always get message in Russian/ Ukrainian saying 'the subscriber is not available to take your call'.


Very frustrating. She says she is not seeing any calls from me. She went to the mobile company and they say it should work.
Skype dials 380-50-058-xxxx
Any advice?


I thought I read that someone was from Cherkasy here on the forum. I would love advice on getting there from Kiev. I understand my options are rental car, train, or bus. I have heard about ride sharing as well.  My lady has already sent me the names of the few hotels there, and I have of course been checking them out online and apartments on Airbnb and booking.com. She has also volunteered to check them out for me. She has already told me some of the rents "sound high". LOL She is very frugal. She says she will make the deals for me if I want.
Before she had to move back in with her parents, she wanted me to come stay with her in her flat. But of course I declined, saying I should at least give her a few days to change her mind after meeting me. That would be awkward.


Ok, I have rambled on long enough. 10 years coming out in one post.


I welcome all advice (well most of it).


Rick

Rick the Dick :D welcome to the forum, the big T here ;) you are what is known in the FSU dating community as a 'Keyboard Romeo' ;D

The problem you have Rick is that you are quick to point out the problems of others but realise your own.

I've heard of a guy before who spent nearly 2 years messaging a girl, when he actually got around to meeting her they found there was no chemistry together, end of, they never felt a need to be penpals after that.

You say you follow 2tallbill's advice and while I would not like to speak for him, I'm pretty sure he's emphasized the need to 'get on the plane' as one of the tenants to live by on this search.

Now Rick you might luck out and there be chemistry there, or you might just find you get on rel well together and enjoy yourself but that is all. Odds are that it will be the latter as there are only going to one in every so many women that will be into you on this planet so you are hoping that this girl is going to be that 'one' in every so many.

Yes admittedly I wished I moved straight to visiting my girl in her home city, but some on here say that girls can have valid reasons for not wanting to aside from the dubious. I with hindsight would rather just say to these girls I don't care its there home city whether they like it or not. The main point though is sometimes you can do everything right in the process and still it does not work out for you. Sure your chances of coming a cropper are less but don't think its a case of you do everything by code and it works out - if the chemistry is not there then its a no go relationship wise anyway.

Visit One's are difficult in that the risk is you can get stuck with a girl that is not into you (& vice versa) and end up spending the time friendship wise. If your after a relationship then this is a bummer. As you live in the US you might well decide to go in December, perhaps take an extra week over the time she wants to see you. This way if it works out you could either announce you have more time or if she's committed work wise go sight seeing in Kiev or wherever. If it doesn't work out you can call up other girls to meet and who knows one might be the one for you. If you don't do this you risk having a fruitless journey over there, it can be enjoyable but fruitless all the same. Oh, and next time remember there is no need to message for 5 years before going, life is only so long and that's just p*ssing it away.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: msmob on July 20, 2017, 12:26:14 AM
Rick,

You have just had 'advice' from the forum 'expert' ..... 

I apologise on behalf of most of the sane members - we disagree on many things - as you have observed - but Trench defines clueless

Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2017, 06:37:59 AM
A couple of notes:

1.  If you do wind up getting on a plane, spend three hundred dollars and go down to your local Walmart and pick her up a laptop for a gift.   You can tell her that it is more a gift for you, as you will be able to be with her online.   While it may not have the electrical outlet, it is easy to procure the adapter and, even, take one with you.  (Radio Shack has cheap ones for about 5 bucks.)  Check to see that she has internet access.  Internet in Ukraine is actually better than many places in the States.   If I were you, and bought the computer, I would give her small gifts, first, and then, if your meeting goes well, give her the laptop at the end as a sign of future communication.   What to get for small gifts?  Well, I will take a Lakers jersey or Dodgers jersey and Sees Candy for a woman that I would see over in UA or Russia.  (Dunno if I'd want to be seen alive with a Falcons jersey on, after the Super Bowl last year!)

2.  Jay would be a good person to go to for Hotel Recommendations.  We may disagree about politics, but there is no one on the forum who knows the cities over there better than he does.

3.  A hotel is good for a quick trip.  AirBNB is overkill if you go for a long weekend.

4.  There is a bus that leaves Boryspil early that will drop you off in Cherkasy.  www.ticket.bus.com.ua for example, will show that there are buses that leave approximately every 45 minutes during the day from the main bus terminal in Kyiv.  However, you want to book a bus directly from Boryspil.  The cost?  A song.  25 dollars or less.  But you may very well be in a Mashrutka - a large van with seats.

One of the surprises I got when I first arrived in UA was that seats are actually assigned on the bus - like on an airline.  (They even have a stewardess on the bus for you who will serve you tea and from whom you can buy additional things, like candy.)

Should you wish to obtain a taxi rather than a bus, the cost should be around $150.00 each way (or less).  But have your woman (since she is trustworthy) have a car/taxi there to pick you up.  She could more easily arrange the taxi.  If you are at Boryspil and only speak English, the price will surely go up.  (I remember one time being in Odessa and obtaining a taxi for Mykolaiv.  The guy quoted me approximately $200.00.  I turned down his offer.  So I sat there and he came over three times.  Each time lowering his price.  We finally settled on USD $90.00.  Which was approximately $15 higher than normal.  Now Mykolaiv to Odessa is about two thirds the distance to Boryspil/Cherkasy.)

5.  You have asked about making phone calls with Skype.  I, too, have experienced the same response.  So, I simply bought minutes on an overseas card and called her.  But, if you do this, be careful.  Because she may be charged on her phone service for accepting international calls.  It depends on the carrier over there.  They are not completely integrated like ATT/Sprint/Verizon are here in the US.  Each different service has different fees.  The fees associated with an INCOMING overseas call may be out of her league. 

The first time I met a woman in Kharkiv, I remember questioning her about why she had two phones.  The simple answer was that she had two different services, one that she talked with her friends on, which was pay-as-you-go and expensive unless you were talking to another subscriber on the same service.  The other was a more consistent service which she used for business purposes and to talk with her family.  Now, many of the phones sold in UA have two sim card slots so you can send and receive from two different phone services.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Muzh on July 20, 2017, 07:05:33 AM
Five years? WOW!


Good to see you have a trip planned for December. If what you write is any indication of where you satnd with this lady, I bet you'll have a great time there.


Regarding communications, you can buy an unlocked iphone 6s for under $300 and send it to her WITH SOMEONE TRAVELLING THERE THAT YOU TRUST. DO NOT SHIP IT THERE. You can facetime with her as many times as you want and it's better than skype. Of course, you need an iphone too. BTW, just bought an iphone 6s 64 GB for $430, unlocked and new. This is for our nephew who is coming to Utah to film some crazy Ukrainian bikers on the Bonneville Salt Flats and we are going to pick him up there.


Good luck and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2017, 07:51:36 AM
Five years? WOW!


Good to see you have a trip planned for December. If what you write is any indication of where you satnd with this lady, I bet you'll have a great time there.


Regarding communications, you can buy an unlocked iphone 6s for under $300 and send it to her WITH SOMEONE TRAVELLING THERE THAT YOU TRUST. DO NOT SHIP IT THERE. You can facetime with her as many times as you want and it's better than skype. Of course, you need an iphone too. BTW, just bought an iphone 6s 64 GB for $430, unlocked and new. This is for our nephew who is coming to Utah to film some crazy Ukrainian bikers on the Bonneville Salt Flats and we are going to pick him up there.


Good luck and keep us posted.

C -

What Ukrainian phone service do your relatives use that DOES NOT CHARGE for incoming overseas phone calls?
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on July 20, 2017, 08:09:43 AM
I disagree with the guys here who are criticizing the OP.

He and the woman both have been OK with this 5 year communication situation.

After 5 years . . . WTF are you all telling him he needs to go immediately?

After 5 years, it makes no difference if they meet in 5 days from now or 5 months from now.

Why hammer on new guys that show up?
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2017, 08:28:10 AM
I disagree with the guys here who are criticizing the OP.

He and the woman both have been OK with this 5 year communication situation.

After 5 years . . . WTF are you all telling him he needs to go immediately?

After 5 years, it makes no difference if they meet in 5 days from now or 5 months from now.

Why hammer on new guys that show up?

Ah, perhaps that the woman is on the potato diet.  Perhaps that she needs him.  Perhaps that she is living with her parents because she can't find work.  Perhaps that he has let five years go by without getting on a plane previously.

ML, we have all read your pursuit of women on here.  It was a cattle call that settled on one individual.  But the man has an established communication with one woman.  And he justifies, in his own mind, reasons that he won't see her until early December.   

Having read you for the past number of years, I can tell you that it is not the way you would operate.  And you know that continuing on the present course without getting on a plane only drags out his life.  Hey.  It is his to live.  I give him credit for even coming on here, knowing what people are going to say being that heretofore he has not come through for her.

Instead, let me ask you a question, ML.  Do you think that the woman is really okay with him dragging his feet or do you think that she has no ability to leverage him into a seat on a plane?  Ask your wife, too.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on July 20, 2017, 09:36:56 AM
Jon, don't make it complicated.  Keep it simple.
This man and this woman have both been OK with this 5 year relationship.
Absolutely no reason to speed things up at this point.

Doesn't matter what others have done in past or what others would do in  this situation currently or in future.

They are OK with it.  Let's leave them alone.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2017, 09:45:21 AM
Jon, don't make it complicated.  Keep it simple.
This man and this woman have both been OK with this 5 year relationship.
Absolutely no reason to speed things up at this point.

Doesn't matter what others have done in past or what others would do in  this situation currently or in future.

They are OK with it.  Let's leave them alone.

You have your opinion.  I have mine.  He has his.  All that matters is what he thinks.  Except, of course, what the woman thinks.  Which we have only his opinion on.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Muzh on July 20, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
C -

What Ukrainian phone service do your relatives use that DOES NOT CHARGE for incoming overseas phone calls?


For Facetime all you need is wifi.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Belvis on July 20, 2017, 07:30:13 PM

My thoughts about the case. First, what would put me on the guard:
1. 5 years of communication is not the red flag but anyway looks too long for an ordinary couple of pen pals. From another side, no gold digger would  keep the contacts for so long.
2. She can't afford a laptop or smartphone but in possesion of a car (or she was?). Some inconsistency.
3. "...prices go up on food 50% several times a month..." No connection with reality in this claim. Yes, FSU people like to exaggerate the hardships but not to such extent.

O.K., now touch down to the face-to-face date, random considerations:
1. She must meet Rick in Kiev airport if she is a real woman with FSU mentality. I would cut the visit if she'll find reasons why it is the complicated issue. It's not.
2. I support John in his push for summer or September visit. Yes, that would pose a problem for Rick, that would be not the optimal logistics. However, this step will be viewed as a bold one, woman will appreciate some kind of sacriface Rick is ready for her. If she is  caring and sensitive woman as Rick thinks of her.
3. In summer or September her parents will be out of her flat, so the couple can spend time together and get feeling of possible family life. The stay in hotel looks as a good idea only for the first two days. Rick is not a tourist to live in a hotel.
4. Talking about presents. If you don't want to fall in a "saviour" trap, the presents must be limited to sweets and flowers for the woman at the first date. And no restrictions to give a nice present for her daugther. It will make more effect, by the way, to build a relatioship. Smartphone, for example, would be an ideal gift for a teenager girl if she does not have one already (better to know in advance).
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 20, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
I disagree with the guys here who are criticizing the OP.

He and the woman both have been OK with this 5 year communication situation.

After 5 years . . . WTF are you all telling him he needs to go immediately?

After 5 years, it makes no difference if they meet in 5 days from now or 5 months from now.

Why hammer on new guys that show up?

Most here are in agreement a man should only enter this endeavor if he's mentally and physically prepared to visit a woman within a few months of initial contact. There are far too many men out there that waste women's time with endless communication with no intention to visit within a few years.  bookooc finally came around but for every guy like him, there is a thousand that if they didn't visit within the first 5 years of communication, they would never visit, but continue to give hope to the girl or girls they're flirting with.

bookooc did wrong. Some here spanked him. It was deserved. A mature man would accept the punishment and not let it bother him anymore.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 20, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
C -

What Ukrainian phone service do your relatives use that DOES NOT CHARGE for incoming overseas phone calls?

I recently saw a Ukrainian roaming deal  that gave multi country access  at a fixed price. It was offered when EU easier access was looming -- there were a lot of countries listed
I think it was a LIFECELL deal--  but will follow up and check.
Just another part of Ukraine joining the world !
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 20, 2017, 11:45:36 PM

For Facetime all you need is wifi.

Learned something new today.  But I go through so many phones that I only use Android.  Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 21, 2017, 02:45:07 AM
Learned something new today.  But I go through so many phones that I only use Android.  Thanks for the tip.

What do you do with them?  Break them?  Lose them?  Always need the latest model, so pass the old ones on to LA's homeless?  :o
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Muzh on July 21, 2017, 08:55:01 AM
My thoughts about the case. First, what would put me on the guard:
1. 5 years of communication is not the red flag but anyway looks too long for an ordinary couple of pen pals. From another side, no gold digger would  keep the contacts for so long.
2. She can't afford a laptop or smartphone but in possesion of a car (or she was?). Some inconsistency.
3. "...prices go up on food 50% several times a month..." No connection with reality in this claim. Yes, FSU people like to exaggerate the hardships but not to such extent.

O.K., now touch down to the face-to-face date, random considerations:
1. She must meet Rick in Kiev airport if she is a real woman with FSU mentality. I would cut the visit if she'll find reasons why it is the complicated issue. It's not.
2. I support John in his push for summer or September visit. Yes, that would pose a problem for Rick, that would be not the optimal logistics. However, this step will be viewed as a bold one, woman will appreciate some kind of sacriface Rick is ready for her. If she is  caring and sensitive woman as Rick thinks of her.
3. In summer or September her parents will be out of her flat, so the couple can spend time together and get feeling of possible family life. The stay in hotel looks as a good idea only for the first two days. Rick is not a tourist to live in a hotel.
4. Talking about presents. If you don't want to fall in a "saviour" trap, the presents must be limited to sweets and flowers for the woman at the first date. And no restrictions to give a nice present for her daugther. It will make more effect, by the way, to build a relatioship. Smartphone, for example, would be an ideal gift for a teenager girl if she does not have one already (better to know in advance).


Belvis, spot on.


The OP should take this advice to heart.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 21, 2017, 09:08:59 AM
What do you do with them?  Break them?  Lose them?  Always need the latest model, so pass the old ones on to LA's homeless?  :o

Nah, the government buys the homeless phones.  Can't believe it.  Went to a 99 Cent store and there is a permanent table manned by someone trying to give away a telephone to anyone who claims that they are poor.  It is an easy way for the government to keep track of where an individual is. 
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: LAman on July 21, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
Nah, the government buys the homeless phones.  Can't believe it.  Went to a 99 Cent store and there is a permanent table manned by someone trying to give away a telephone to anyone who claims that they are poor.  It is an easy way for the government to keep track of where an individual is.

Yea Jone, they are giving away those 99' model flip phones......
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 21, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
Yea Jone, they are giving away those 99' model flip phones......

The ones that I saw were the ZTE Androids with 16 gigabytes on board. 
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: LAman on July 21, 2017, 12:25:00 PM
The ones that I saw were the ZTE Androids with 16 gigabytes on board.

They had smart phones??? I have only seen the Obama flip phones. Guess now they give Trump smart phones.... ))
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: drsecu on July 21, 2017, 01:56:17 PM
The 5yrs of talking may make her seem legit but the lies about inflation and food prices gives some doubt, and there are other red flags.  Prices are pretty stable, fruit has been up some but Ukraine food is mostly produced in the Ukraine and the prices are pretty insulated.  Every Ukraine women I have met has smartphone (data service is very cheap).  The supply of secondary market smartphones is just like it is in the us, you can get a cheap used functioning phone everywhere.  Ukrainians would typically use a celtic keyboard (has english letters secondary) and they have 230v power, it would make more since to buy a laptop in Ukraine.  There are stores, and yardsale type sites in the Ukraine just like here.  If you wanted to get here one or the other just buy one in Ukraine and have it delivered (they have a functioning post office that works) or have her pick it up.  If you only sending emails it is more likely she is pro, she can be doing the same to 200 other guys, if a couple give a gift every now and then she as a good return on investment.  Her wanting you to visit is no indication that is not a pro, she would benefit from you being there.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on July 21, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
  Ukrainians would typically use a celtic keyboard . . .

WOW . . . I learn something new every day!!
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: SANDRO43 on July 21, 2017, 05:45:38 PM
Ukrainians would typically use a celtic keyboard (has english letters secondary)
Why on earth :o? Ancient Irish/Scot settlers :D?
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 21, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
the lies about inflation and food prices gives some doubt, and there are other red flags.  Prices are pretty stable, fruit has been up some but Ukraine food is mostly produced in the Ukraine and the prices are pretty insulated. 


My wife is in Ukraine now. She says the food prices have skyrocketed in price since she was there last. He mom says the prices regularly go up. This is not surprising for a country that has been destabilized. I don't think the OP's girl is lying about food prices and inflation.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: LAman on July 21, 2017, 10:03:00 PM
My wife is in Ukraine now. She says the food prices have skyrocketed in price since she was there last. He mom says the prices regularly go up. This is not surprising for a country that has been destabilized. I don't think the OP's girl is lying about food prices and inflation.

Did you read what was actually written????

Let me quote, " prices go up on food 50% several times a month". At that rate no one in Ukraine will be eating after a few months. Yet, the restaurants all seem to be filled somehow, now that one keeps my head scratching!!!
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 21, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Did you read what was actually written????

Let me quote, " prices go up on food 50% several times a month". At that rate no one in Ukraine will be eating after a few months. Yet, the restaurants all seem to be filled somehow, now that one keeps my head scratching!!!

When you're busy and someone asks for your attention and you say "Give me a second" does it mean you are lying? Almost everyone who says "Give me a second" needs more than a second. Does anybody believe the 50% jump in food prices she talked about mean exactly a 50% increase on every item during every jump in price?

You guys are assuming she is saying ALL food goes up 50% several times a month. She did not say "all". Maybe one month, milk and bread goes up 52.4%% and then stays at that price for a year. Next month cheese, wine and sausages jump up 39.5% and stays at that price for an extended period of time. If a ball bearing factory gets bombed in East Ukraine, guess what happens to the price of ball bearings? Various factors dictate why certain foods jump in price at certain times.  All food jumping up 50% at the same time every month is as ridiculous as you're assuming she said "all" and 50% is exactly what she meant for each price increase. If I were a Ukrainian farmer and international currency is worth a lot, I'd sell my product internationally if it brought me more money. Less food for the locals, same demand means the prices will go up for them. Food prices can jump simply because the store owners think war is going to soon create a food shortage.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Boethius on July 22, 2017, 12:08:27 PM
Yes, some prices do rise significantly every month. Prices have been known to increase while you're waiting in line.

I think if you've waited this long, waiting to December is no big deal. But leave before New Year. Ukraine closes down from December 30 to mid January. Also, it can get a lot of snow and the economic situation means you could be walking in ankle deep snow.

I agree with Belvis, the car means something in the story doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 22, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
My wife is in Ukraine now. She says the food prices have skyrocketed in price since she was there last. He mom says the prices regularly go up. This is not surprising for a country that has been destabilized. I don't think the OP's girl is lying about food prices and inflation.

This is interesting for me BillyB. When I was there a few a couple of months ago food & restaurant prices seemed a lot more expensive than when I was there a bit over a year earlier meeting the first girl. Then prices in restaurants seemed unbelievably cheap like 1980's prices in the UK but with today's spending power. This year though they seemed a lot closer to UK prices so not a real bargain like last year. I think the cheaper eateries were fairly full though, the more expensive ones much more sparse. I think the hyper inflation is really working its way into their economy now.

Still though my girl felt fit to order a dish on holiday despite just eating a couple of hours before hand then hardly touched it. So given the situation in Ukraine her actions surprised me.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Boethius on July 22, 2017, 02:54:55 PM
You are thinking like a Westerner. Ukrainians go to restaurants to try foods they would otherwise never get to try.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: msmob on July 22, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
when I was there a bit over a year earlier meeting the first girl. Then prices in restaurants seemed unbelievably cheap like 1980's prices in the UK but with today's spending power. This year though they seemed a lot closer to UK prices so not a real bargain like last year.

I suppose you voted for Brexit and and haven't woken up, yet .. The GBP isn't Great, any more..
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 23, 2017, 09:13:09 AM
I agree with Belvis, the car means something in the story doesn't add up.


Unless the OP volunteers more information, I don't see a problem with the lady owning a car 4 years ago and not currently owning a smart phone.

The OP knew the lady for 5 years. She ran over a pedestrian 4 years ago killing him. She disappeared on our OP 4 years ago and reappeared 3 years ago. She may have been traumatized but it could be she spent some time in jail or another man came into her life. Killing pedestrians can be expensive which set her back financially and cost her the car and other luxury items she owned.

Based off what the OP written, I don't see why he should be cautious with her. If I were him, I'd cancel the December trip and get there earlier. They've waited long enough.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: drsecu on July 23, 2017, 06:14:40 PM
The laptops with cyrillic (auto-corrected) and english letter keyboards and phones I have seen on yardsale sites seem priced about the same or cheaper there.  Cell phone plans are $1.50 per month I was told, and it was most typically for everyone under 40-50 to have one, I asked several Ukrainian girls about food prices this week and they said they were stable.  Its minimal cost to get her online to talk more, I don't think she wants to.  It could be for a genuine reason (not wanting to invest time in someone that hasn't shown an interest to visit) or it could be because she is looking for financial sponsor/s.  I'd still go (moving it sooner is a good idea b/c weather also) but I would suggest you have a backup plan.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Boethius on July 23, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
The price of potatoes recently doubled. Tomatoes are 36 hryvnia a lb. Cheese is around 70 hryvnia a lb. These may not seem like much, but if you're making 5200 hryvnia a month, and half of that goes to pay utilities, it adds up.
Title: Re: Prices in Ukraine
Post by: msmob on July 23, 2017, 10:00:44 PM
Prices are going up - according to official statistics ... The consumer price index is over 15% in June 2017 http://countryeconomy.com/countries-cpi/ukraine (http://countryeconomy.com/countries-cpi/ukraine) - up 21 points on May 2017...

For references, the USA is 1.6 percent - rate falling , UK's 2.7  ( the latter self-inflicted stupidity - Brexit vote - we had a stable, strong currency and LOW inflation )  and Russia 4.4%
Title: Re: Prices in Ukraine
Post by: Anotherkiwi on July 24, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
For references, the USA is 1.6 percent - rate falling , UK's 2.7  ( the latter self-inflicted stupidity - Brexit vote - we had a stable, strong currency and LOW inflation )  and Russia 4.4%

2.2% in New Zealand for the year March 2016-March 2017 (latest stats available).
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 25, 2017, 11:23:41 PM
The price of potatoes recently doubled. Tomatoes are 36 hryvnia a lb. Cheese is around 70 hryvnia a lb. These may not seem like much, but if you're making 5200 hryvnia a month, and half of that goes to pay utilities, it adds up.

Without trying to quantify specifics --prices have and are rising dramatically. It is a real and constant battle for Ukrainians having to deal with  it. So a little licence  on numbers is not out of order .


Rising prices for goods:

During the year, prices in Ukraine grew by 13.8%, and inflation increased. According to experts, this autumn oil products will rise in price, and prices will increase for other products, except for vegetables. On infographics it is evident that during the year the most expensive milk, butter, cigarettes and alcohol: on 25-28%. Experts report that cigarettes and alcohol grew in value due to the constant increase of excise taxes on them by the state, and dairy products - on the continuing decline in livestock. The prices for meat increased by 12% for the year, reports


http://www.amn.com.ua/podiyi/podorozhchannya-tovariv-chogo-chekaty-ukrayintsyam/
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: bookooc on July 29, 2017, 01:22:43 PM
Hey guys.
I haven't been able to get on the forum since my first post but for a few minutes. Like I said, I  i am working 6-7 days a week, 12-16 hours a day on this project.


To those that said just take off work regardless, 55+ year old men in high tech do not just take off in the middle of a fortune 50 company project. Ageism is a alive and well in tech, they would LOVE to replace me with a 20 something making 25% of what I make. Even though it would take 2 of them to replace my skill set, they are still cheaper than I am with my seniority.


I want to make it to retirement, but not by having to work at Ace Hardware selling paint when I get laid off. I have seen it in my company over and over. I have a target on my back. So forget the sudden long weekend.


I don't have time right now to read all the body slams and advice, but I will tomorrow if I have time and respond.


I will say a lot of wrong assumptions have been made in the couple of response I have read, and I didn't ask for any love advice or how to relate to this woman. So 90% of the comments were not requested, but I will read them and take my un-prescribed medicine like a man.


The only advice I asked for was about trying to call her. I still have that problem. Hopefully there is some useful advice on that topic.


I will also respond to the PMs as soon as I can, and thanks to those that took time to respond, no matter if you are slamming me or not.


Also, I was wrong when I said it was 5 years. It has been 3 1/2 years, and one year of that she was missing, after her accident. Not that it makes much of a difference.


Oh, and prices. She isn't "lying". She is talking about food that is grown in Ukraine, which is what frustrates her, since there is no reason for those prices to have gone up. She, like a lot of Ukrainians is frustrated with the corruption in government.
Also the percentage of price increases may be wrong, she is translating from Ukrainian to
English. In any case, I believe her.
Thanks again for your responses.


Rick
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Boethius on July 29, 2017, 04:50:17 PM
Without trying to quantify specifics --prices have and are rising dramatically. It is a real and constant battle for Ukrainians having to deal with  it. So a little licence  on numbers is not out of order .


I didn't say otherwise, and am back from a short trip to Kyiv.  Prices are rising, on some items, daily.  Milk products are so expensive for the average Ukrainian, those who don't have children don't even buy milk or cheese.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 29, 2017, 08:23:30 PM

I didn't say otherwise, and am back from a short trip to Kyiv.  Prices are rising, on some items, daily.  Milk products are so expensive for the average Ukrainian, those who don't have children don't even buy milk or cheese.

I was not disputing what you said at all( I am in agreement) -- my post was about a real inflation number -- and my comment was about the "50%" rise --  eg it could well feel like that and just a exaggeration for effect ie no big deal !
I actually do take an interest in comparative prices -- but --I cant remember specifics from before ! So not much help !
I was in the supermarket and open markets food shopping yesterday - and was trying to recall previous prices .

On bigger picture -- rising costs ,inflation,will impact food prices sooner or later -- and demand will see prices rise - and that includes locally produced produce.

To the OP -- some said that she should meet you at the airport = to me -- a nonsense . In a more established relationship - maybe.
Why? Putting yourself in the hands of someone else at this stage -- is opening yourself unnecessarily.

This is 2017 and organising yourself to get to Cherkassy is no big deal --especially so if you drive yourself.( presuming you are a competent + driver! :)

On the phone number -- I sent you info-- did it still not work? If you pm me number I will check it for you.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 29, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Rick,

I understand your perspective on going in December.  And I have said enough.

But I have one question - and one question only for you on the phone issue.  Have you EVER seen this lady, directly interacting with you (as in a Skype call or any other medium)?  I just have a niggling feeling that something isn't right.  And if you haven't, then I propose that this is the reason for your phone connection problems.  If you answer the question, I'll explain what I mean - and I won't have to because Jay and many others will chime in and immediately know what is happening.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 29, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
That is an issue to me for sure.
But it may be simply solved --or it is possible it means more.

I am loathe to promote paranoia  ( ala Trenchcoat etc) --but --often a little info can go a very long way and save a lot of angst.
Additionally -- Cherkassy is a reasonable size   -- but -- I have told a story( from last year) of  being out to dinner in a restaurant  where the next table was occupied by 3 girls I recognised -- and one spotted me ! I have often recognised girls ( women!) in numerous everyday places here.So--you never know !
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: LAman on July 30, 2017, 12:40:04 AM
Hey Rick, how much do you trust this girl?

If you do, let it ride with emails and meet her in Cherkasy. Make your plans flight, bus/train to get to see her and tell her about each one, maybe she will be excited?

You can also ask if her neighbor will let your 'girl' download skype on computer so you would be able to speak and video chat, just a thought.

It can be hard to go in blindly, only communication in emails but hey, no money being spent, yes? Biggest question here is trust issue. Most people on this board will question your decision if you continue as you have been. I can tell you, I lost a girl because I mistrusted her because we couldn't talk on phone, she had old phone that only worked in one spot in house( no she didn't have to stand on head), so calls rarely ever went through( got same message as you got). Another I will meet for first time soon, she has an old phone and we can speak for 10 seconds before connection fails..........but she does have computer.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: JayH on July 30, 2017, 12:57:24 AM
Hey Rick, how much do you trust this girl?

If you do, let it ride with emails and meet her in Cherkasy. Make your plans flight, bus/train to get to see her and tell her about each one, maybe she will be excited?

You can also ask if her neighbor will let your 'girl' download skype on computer so you would be able to speak and video chat, just a thought.

It can be hard to go in blindly, only communication in emails but hey, no money being spent, yes? Biggest question here is trust issue. Most people on this board will question your decision if you continue as you have been. I can tell you, I lost a girl because I mistrusted her because we couldn't talk on phone, she had old phone that only worked in one spot in house( no she didn't have to stand on head), so calls rarely ever went through( got same message as you got). Another I will meet for first time soon, she has an old phone and we can speak for 10 seconds before connection fails..........but she does have computer.

Good points -- all can be true. I also made some dumb decisions in the past --only later to find out more. It is why I dispute every girl has a smart phone and easy access -- it is not the case.
Negatives need to be considered--but not obsessed over.

FWIW -- LAman  is and has been having current exposure ( as I have and am having)  so info is real and above all else CURRENT from real exposure.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2017, 04:16:14 AM
I think what Jone may mean OP is, are you communicating with this girl on ppl (pay per letter) basis or even paying monthly or somehow to a dating site or agency, etc. In other words, is there any money incentive for her to keep talking to you. Remember the money you earn may make any such expense look insignificant but to many FSW its a lot of money - they are dirt poor out there, I mean real poor, most are surviving ok by still all the same poor.

OP, you say you've been here a fair while and learn't a lot. The way this girl is acting its classic signs that your 'talking to Boris' as the saying goes. Which is why people ask if you have seen here and wonder about the 'bad connection problem'. Its also I think why some have back down from their advice to go meet her. If its a Boris there will be a no show. You've talked to this woman for 5 years and never seen her on Skype in all that time? She could not arrange something with a friends laptop, she was not intrigued as to seeing you on Skype? You can never get through for a phone call to hear her talk at all? It might all be fine if she is messaging you for no monetary gain what so ever, she might be a bored housewife but it seems a bit strange to me over a 5 year period then the first chance you have to meet something comes up.

You can have bad connection problems in Ukraine, the second girl I met in Nikolaev was a student (24 year old) she just had one of the basic early version smartphones so it was limited what she could do - functionality wasn't great. The present girl I met lives in Kherson and has bad connectivity - slow and whenever she goes away from city centre virtually non-existent unless she gets lucky. Apparently she has contacted phone company and they are looking to improve it in near future. Then again it may depend what mobile plan you get on, I'm assuming a wealthy foreigner can get on a good mobile plan with good coverage to what seems like little money a poor girl may only be able to afford basic plan with connectivity issues. That's my thoughts.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2017, 08:24:50 AM

Gentlemen, the lady borrows a neighbor's laptop to write Rick everyday so it's safe to say Rick doesn't pay for communication through the agency anymore. She never asked him for money. Scammers and insincere women don't wait years for a guy to put out. The reason this relationship hasn't progressed is because of issues on Rick's end. He concluded she's the best woman in many ways he's ever met. There's no need to waste anymore time and their lives. They need a face to face meeting to decide if they want to proceed or end the relationship. Even if Rick goes over a 4 day holiday weekend, he should go. Don't let a quality woman wait.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on July 30, 2017, 10:04:31 AM
They have both waited for 3 and half year.
Absolutely no need to hurry up a meeting now.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
They have both waited for 3 and half year.
Absolutely no need to hurry up a meeting now.

"She is easily the most kind, caring and sensitive woman I have ever met. And funny. Model beautiful." Rick

Rick's trip to see that woman is in December. Another man who can make things happen may cut in line. They have no commitment to each other. The more Rick delays the more he risks losing one of the best women he's ever met.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: LAman on July 30, 2017, 11:25:08 AM
"She is easily the most kind, caring and sensitive woman I have ever met. And funny. Model beautiful." Rick

Rick's trip to see that woman is in December. Another man who can make things happen may cut in line. They have no commitment to each other. The more Rick delays the more he risks losing one of the best women he's ever met.

Oh my god.....after 3 1/2 years or 5 years or whatever....and Rick is risking losing one of the best women he has ever met???? )))

Something tells me that Rick is willing....to take that chance.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: jone on July 30, 2017, 11:27:07 AM
They have both waited for 3 and half year.
Absolutely no need to hurry up a meeting now.

If they have really waited ......

Trench, never put words in my mouth.  I have no suspicions that they are suckering Rick with PPL or the like.  What I can believe, having experienced it, is that someone may be communicating with Rick in his woman's place.  If that is the case, the first reveal would be that he has never seen her in a Skype, Viber or WhatsApp call.  But rather than jump to any conclusions, I'll wait for an answer before thinking wrong things.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2017, 02:37:54 AM
If they have really waited ......

Trench, never put words in my mouth.  I have no suspicions that they are suckering Rick with PPL or the like.  What I can believe, having experienced it, is that someone may be communicating with Rick in his woman's place.  If that is the case, the first reveal would be that he has never seen her in a Skype, Viber or WhatsApp call.  But rather than jump to any conclusions, I'll wait for an answer before thinking wrong things.

Why on earth would they me doing that? You think she may be contracting out ones that seem reluctant to get on a plane, lol

I think ML is right no need for Rick to rush these things, he should make her wait a good decade or so to be sure ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: msmob on July 31, 2017, 08:42:04 AM
Pochemou ti eto vsegda Tango Whiskey Alpha Tango, Trench ?
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2017, 10:20:24 AM
Pochemou ti eto vsegda Tango Whiskey Alpha Tango, Trench ?

Not as much as he who makes a fuss out of saying the word twat ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: Boethius on August 01, 2017, 07:58:13 PM
I was told on Sunday that in Kyiv, potatoes have now risen in price to 18 hryvnia a kilo from 8 (when I was there).  It may be short lived, but that is what Ukrainians live with daily. 
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on August 01, 2017, 08:46:36 PM
Ochka's parents have huge garden west of Kyiv.
Almost drought conditions there this year and potato crop substantially reduced, along with many other items.
But she was surprised a rise from 8 to 18.
She will check with relatives in Kyiv soon.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: AkMike on August 02, 2017, 09:06:57 AM
Bookooc,

 I live in Cherkasy in the home that the $50,000 bet was on.  There are at least 2 other Americans that live there as well as a few passers thru. 

 If I can be of some help send me a PM.
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: ML on August 08, 2017, 10:12:17 AM
Bookooc,

 I live in Cherkasy in the home that the $50,000 bet was on. 

Mike, what is this bet ?  Is there a thread related to it ?
Title: Re: Hello from Georgia U.S.A.
Post by: AkMike on August 10, 2017, 12:15:21 AM
 :D  I've heard rumors of it before somewhere!  ;D

I guess the OP didn't need any help after all. No PM.  :clapping: