Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[BC]

My "polarization" is not about race, so please get off that horse.   And democracy has its flaws, yet it is superior to any alternative.   
 
So what concerns me?   Somehow a President who has proven for four years that he does not know how to correct 1) the slow economy and 2) massive debt crisis is running 50-50 in the polls with someone whose business acumen and leadership is outstanding.   I feel such a President should be losing in a major landslide, even ignoring his dishonesty.

The country needs to be united to prevent us from becoming another Greece or Spain.  Obama has divided us,  more divided now  than I recall in my long  years. 
 
Do you recall a President who has been more divisive at the time when we need to be together?

Gator,

the vote will decide how divided we are...  didn't the Supreme Court have to decide in one past election?  Isn't this about as divided as it gets?  How did Obama make it even more divided?.. a hundred votes here or there?

My comment about polarization along racial, religious and other lines by the media and pollsters was more about the fact that their assessments lend towards increasing polarization - and that many still bite into that cookie instead of choking on it or better simply going on a diet.

I was simply surprised to see you take a bite into the cookie filled with vitamin F... (fear)

You are worried about the US turning into a Spain or Greece?.. comeon... that's just another vitamin F pill being sold to you.  If you refer to public debt, I'm surprised you did not mention Japan first.  In fact  instead of fearing the weakest, you might want to investigate the strongest and learn how they do things even if it is a tougher cookie to swallow.

[Shadow]

Right now it seems a fresh wind is blowing in Washington.
Take car anyone in the area.

[GQBlues]

...So why is Obama near the same level of support as in 2008?  It is implausible to me.  Can anyone give me an explanation?

Media.

[Gator]

Gator,

the vote will decide how divided we are...  didn't the Supreme Court have to decide in one past election?  Isn't this about as divided as it gets?  How did Obama make it even more divided?.. a hundred votes here or there?

The numbers will be about the same as the hanging chad election.  The difference is that 1) many will be divided by race and class and 2) many divided by deeply seated illwill if not unadulterated hatred.
 
My speech again.  When Reagan won by a large percentage, his first step was to sit down with Tip O'Neil and ask "What do you want?"  Tip did not get a 50-50 deal, but he got something. 
 
In contrast, Obama promised to unite the country and instead crammed Obamacare down the throats of the Republican party (check the votes).  Only when he lost the House in 2010 did he talk compromise.  But did he?  No.  He fought with Boehner over the debt ceiling, but walked away from a deal.   Obama even ignored his own Bowles-Simpson commission report, which had achieved bilateral support.
 
Read Bob Woodward's book:   

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woodward-book-chronicles-obamas-fiscal-policy-battle-with-congressional-republicans/2012/09/05/0b6ac24c-f6dd-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_story.html

The arrogance of Obama will be his undoing.
 

I was simply surprised to see you take a bite into the cookie filled with vitamin F... (fear)

You are worried about the US turning into a Spain or Greece?.. comeon... that's just another vitamin F pill being sold to you.  If you refer to public debt, I'm surprised you did not mention Japan first.  In fact  instead of fearing the weakest, you might want to investigate the strongest and learn how they do things even if it is a tougher cookie to swallow.

No fear here.  The economy I believe will improve over the short term regardless of who is elected even though Obama is an obstructionist.  The business of America is business, and American business is strong, dynamic and adaptive. 
 
The direction concerns me.  Our debt::GDP ratio is okay and far below Greece's and Japan's.  However, it is growing and that growth will accelerate largely due to 1) increasing cost of healthcare and 2) very slow growth ( and growth makes the GDP denominator larger).   
 
Obama accelerates us in the wrong direction (more government, decline in take home pay).  Romney produces more jobs, increases take home pay, and takes a step towards balancing the budget.

[Gator]

Media.

You are probably correct given how little the press is pursuing Obama about who said what to whom and when about Benghazi. 
 
Of course there is no need for the press to work this because we have an investigation underway.  An investigation did not stop Bob Woodward.  We need a Benghazi Deep Throat.  One will eventually appear but not before the election.
 
Where is the press feeding frenzy such as seen with Bush, Watergate, and even with Romney (the 47% remark, and yesterday the possible FEMA cuts)?  The fog surrounding Benghazi and the huge implications are receiving about the same attention from most of the press as Big Bird.  In Watergate, no one died due to incompetence or worse, cowardice. 

[jb]

I saw a glimmer of hope in the early voting results showing Romney ahead by 6% so far.   

[GQBlues]

I can't pass this up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE0M9R1YXH0




I'm GQBlues and I approve this message.

[GQBlues]

You are probably correct given how little the press is pursuing Obama about who said what to whom and when about Benghazi....

 
 

The general sentiment about Benghazi's affair is, there will be no new revelation or further coverage until after the election. Unfortunately as that may be.


Here's a sampling of the (dis) interested Obama supporter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE0M9R1YXH0

...and their stated media source preferences.

[Gator]

There are hundreds of these endorsements and editorials about Obama's failed presidency, but I found this one interesting.
 
Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal, "How Far Obama Has Fallen."
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
 
Others include the Des Moines Register's endorsement by its editors.  It is remarkable because the paper has endorsed only democratic presidential candidates for the past 40 years, even endorsing Dukakis and Mondale.

[Gator]

To be fiar and balanced, the timeline of the Benghazi attacks provided by an undisclosed CIA individual suggests that the CIA and the administration did much of what could be done.  I know a couple of combat veterans and ex-special ops who feel the same.
 
 
The small CIA response team from a nearby facility arrived at the consulate within 40 minutes of receiving the call, engaged the attackers, and retrieved consulate personnel.  The White House staff would conclude then that the attack was over.  The two ex-SEALs were killed in a subsequent attack that evening at the nearby CIA   facility.
 
This does not exonerate the WH because there still remains the question of where is the missing ambassador and what effort the WH was making to locate him.  Also controversial are the State Dept's decisions a) before the attack to not provide adequate security and b) after the attack to   blame the anti-Muslim video for 14 days when it was apparent that this was a well planned attack by trained fighters.
 
And if the White House is clear of a conspiracy, why are they so silent on a subject that is harming them?  We sure had a lot of information (some of it classified) and boasting immediately after Bin Laden was killed.
 
 
 
 

[Cameraguy]

Looks like Gingrich's math is a little off regarding those estimated 320 Romney EVs, not to mention how long a president can serve! 

Errant Gingrich Email: 'Obama Is Going to Win'
By SARAH PARNASS | ABC News – Thu, Nov 1, 2012

An email message mistakenly sent to Newt Gingrich's list serve this morning told subscribers that President Obama would no doubt win in 2012 and that they should be more worried about Obama's winning in 2016.

That's right, despite the 22nd Amendment, which limits any one person to two presidential terms, the email that went out to Gingrich's supporters suggests President Obama would be running again in 2016, and possibly serve through 2020...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/errant-email-newt-gingrich-supporters-obama-win/story?id=17618977

[Eduard]

I can't pass this up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE0M9R1YXH0




I'm GQBlues and I approve this message.

funny video...this one is not  http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE0M9R1YXH0

[GQBlues]

Tic-Toc -Tic-Toc...

2 days and counting....while the early voting/absentee ballots cited majority Democrat and showing Obama with a slight lead, many feel it's technically a dead-heat. With such a small advantage with largely Democrat voters, election days will yield the greater last-to-the-minute surprises...

Boom or Bust. This is it!

[Gator]

If Obama is re-elected this is the lack of bipartisan statesmanship we can expect:
 

After we win this election, it’s our turn.  Payback time.  Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay.  Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.  -  Valerie Jarret, Senior Advisor to the President of the United States and Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs in the Obama administration.
 

So the half of the country who did not vote for Obama will be the "enemy."   This is a prime example of Obama's divisive nature.  As President he is supposed to be the leader for all Americans.  He isn't.
 
Some questions:
 
-   How can Obama expect bipartisan cooperation?   With this attitude, gridlock is even more entrenched.   Actually over the years gridlock has proven effective as little gets done at the government level (i. e., no changes) and private business can do its thing.

-  How can liberals delude themselves that they are voting for what is best for America?  Over the years I have mostly thought that liberals were reasonable and intelligent, driven by a sense of fairness.  I am wrong. 

[Eduard]

  Over the years I have mostly thought that liberals were reasonable and intelligent, driven by a sense of fairness.  I am wrong.

It's easy to tell Obama voters by their sense of entitlement (wanting everything for free) and rediculous posts on my facebook page. Please people, get out tomorrow and vote for Romney. Don't let them make this country into just another European Socialist state on the way to being a second world country.

[BC]

If Obama is re-elected this is the lack of bipartisan statesmanship we can expect:
 
So the half of the country who did not vote for Obama will be the "enemy."   This is a prime example of Obama's divisive nature.  As President he is supposed to be the leader for all Americans.  He isn't.
 
Some questions:
 
-   How can Obama expect bipartisan cooperation?   With this attitude, gridlock is even more entrenched.   Actually over the years gridlock has proven effective as little gets done at the government level (i. e., no changes) and private business can do its thing.

-  How can liberals delude themselves that they are voting for what is best for America?  Over the years I have mostly thought that liberals were reasonable and intelligent, driven by a sense of fairness.  I am wrong.

This is all over the blogosphere with no known source.  Mainstream media has not touched it, not even Fox.. they would be all over it.

Believe it or not.......  Probably best taken with a good bit of salt.

[LAman]

This is all over the blogosphere with no known source.  Mainstream media has not touched it, not even Fox.. they would be all over it.

Believe it or not.......  Probably best taken with a good bit of salt.

AS always...talk is cheap.....
You guys crack me up!!!! The sky is falling...the sky is falling!!!!! Run..run.. ..

[BC]

AS always...talk is cheap.....
You guys crack me up!!!! The sky is falling...the sky is falling!!!!! Run..run.. ..

The politics of fear....

[Eduard]

funny video...this one is not  http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE0M9R1YXH0

I actually meant this:

[Gator]

AS always...talk is cheap.....
You guys crack me up!!!! The sky is falling...the sky is falling!!!!! Run..run.. ..

Not the case.  American business will survive  in spite of the demagogue-obstructionist-phony now in office. 
 
I find Obama disgusting in so many ways, and oddly I find myself not so friendly with those who support him, including a couple in my golf circles.   
 
One of best friends is concerned about his relationship with his wife of 40 years.  He voted for Obama in 2008 and now supports Romney.  She is voting liberal as she has done her whole life.  Their relationship is so strained that they can not watch news together.  I believe hope it will pass.  Both are good old friends, and there are no friends like old friends.

[BC]

I actually meant this:

I thought about responding, but Gator said it best in a post above with only one word change....

-  How can liberals conservatives delude themselves that they are voting for what is best for America?  Over the years I have mostly thought that liberals conservatives were reasonable and intelligent, driven by a sense of fairness.  I am wrong.

Good luck tomorrow folks, regardless who you are voting for.

[LAman]

Not the case.  American business will survive  in spite of the demagogue-obstructionist-phony now in office. 
 
I find Obama disgusting in so many ways, and oddly I find myself not so friendly with those who support him, including a couple in my golf circles.   
 
One of best friends is concerned about his relationship with his wife of 40 years.  He voted for Obama in 2008 and now supports Romney.  She is voting liberal as she has done her whole life.  Their relationship is so strained that they can not watch news together.  I believe hope it will pass.  Both are good old friends, and there are no friends like old friends.

Well Gator...I hope you are happy elated the redskins lost on sunday.....per the redskins rule.
And now you and your polical friends here can find something else to complain chat about.

[pokerintherear]

Here is a discussion with a Russian woman on the election. This is interesting. This woman sees the con man. Yes it is astonishing how many Americans cant see the poser, fake we have as president. She cant see how people can fall for his BS. She talks of common sense and the gut feeling of knowing.

This transcript was from a talk radio show on Friday. I'm sure some will discredit because of the broadcast it was on. If you listen to the audio there is no doubt where shes from.

...

Russian Immigrant Thought She'd Outrun Socialism
November 02, 2012
Listen to it Button

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: This is Irina from Acworth, Georgia. Great to have you. It's Open Line Friday. You're next. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. My name is Irina, and I appreciate that you took my call, and I want to say special thank you to your team. They were very nice to me. I was born in Moscow. I came here 14 years ago. I was 35 years old. Now I'm 50. And I want to tell you, I'm very optimistic. I feel with all my guts that Romney will win this election. But I still have fear, and I'm terrified by seeing what's going on four years in this country. I'm terrified that people can put an Obama in Oval Office, back again.

RUSH: See, people who lived under socialism know. You've lived under this stuff, and so you have a palpable fear when you see it starting to grow here. Am I right?

CALLER: I see whole symptoms, Rush. They're there. What terrified in any way people... I communicate with many people, and I see how uneducated and unopen-minded they are. They cannot believe it, what they hearing.

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RUSH: Irina, the schools in this country do not teach the evils of socialism. They teach just the opposite. They sing its praises. Little kids in America today are taught that it's the only route to fairness and equality and all of that wonderful, good stuff. Big government, command-and-control economy, authority, this sort of stuff. This is what kids are taught. I mean, look at 'em. Young kids that you saw believe this stuff. Dolts in Hollywood, they fall for it. It is seductive for people that don't like competition.

CALLER: You know, Rush, I totally agree with you. But sometimes in the back of your common sense, sometimes your heart can tell you when people are lying and when they are not. And those celebrities, trust me: If they make a movie, they play certain characters. It doesn't mean anything. People have to understand it. They know exactly how to fly airplane if they playing the pilot? Absolutely not. And even celebrities who travel all over the world and they see the life in other countries, they have to be smart and understand that Obama using them.

RUSH: I actually --

CALLER: He using minority groups to get to the point that they elect him.

RUSH: I'm --

CALLER: And question number one: Do they understand when he use them, what happened after that?

RUSH: I actually am enjoying this. Do you people understand what you're hearing here? Here is somebody who grew up under it. Here's somebody who lived it. Irina is two things. She's scared and she can't believe the people in this country who are falling for it. That's what I love. I love this. She can't believe people are falling for this. She lived it. She grew up in it; she was born into it. She escaped it.

Now it's caught up when her again. She thought she had outrun socialism, but it's caught her. And she's scared. Irina, you're in the right place, and we're gonna beat this back. We are going to beat it back. It's what this whole campaign has been about. It's what this weekend is gonna be about. I'm flattered that you're in the audience. I'm glad you called. It's the voice of experience there folks, the voice of experience. "Celebrities don't know anything." She's right. I appreciate the call.

END TRANSCRIPT

[GQBlues]

We're on the eve of.....one more day.

Apparently many are citing an early small lead by Obama with the caveat that they are anticipating huge turnover on election day favoring Romney. It is reported that while Obama is holding regions in the early voting precincts, the turnout aren't in the same number and enthusiasm like he enjoyed in '08. Case in point, PA, they are reporting that there hasn't been this much movement in with the 'conservative' crowd in PA since '84-88 election.

I still think this is far too close to be making any kind of 'prediction'. Whatever the result may be, I hope it won't be tarnish with some silly irregularities and mischief.

Living in California, I can't help but be repulse by all the talk about Ohio determining this election like it always had (electoral). I even heard on the radio early this morning how Obama can win narrowly, even if Romney won the nationwide popular vote, if he gets Ohio. You don't say....? May the Buckeye State's conservatives fire up the polls tomorrow!

Polls, polls, polls....there are more silly poles  in the US than Poland, I'll tell you...

[Eduard]

Here is a discussion with a Russian woman on the election. This is interesting. This woman sees the con man. Yes it is astonishing how many Americans cant see the poser, fake we have as president. She cant see how people can fall for his BS. She talks of common sense and the gut feeling of knowing.

This transcript was from a talk radio show on Friday. I'm sure some will discredit because of the broadcast it was on. If you listen to the audio there is no doubt where shes from.

...

Russian Immigrant Thought She'd Outrun Socialism
November 02, 2012
Listen to it Button

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: This is Irina from Acworth, Georgia. Great to have you. It's Open Line Friday. You're next. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. My name is Irina, and I appreciate that you took my call, and I want to say special thank you to your team. They were very nice to me. I was born in Moscow. I came here 14 years ago. I was 35 years old. Now I'm 50. And I want to tell you, I'm very optimistic. I feel with all my guts that Romney will win this election. But I still have fear, and I'm terrified by seeing what's going on four years in this country. I'm terrified that people can put an Obama in Oval Office, back again.

RUSH: See, people who lived under socialism know. You've lived under this stuff, and so you have a palpable fear when you see it starting to grow here. Am I right?

CALLER: I see whole symptoms, Rush. They're there. What terrified in any way people... I communicate with many people, and I see how uneducated and unopen-minded they are. They cannot believe it, what they hearing.

undefined

RUSH: Irina, the schools in this country do not teach the evils of socialism. They teach just the opposite. They sing its praises. Little kids in America today are taught that it's the only route to fairness and equality and all of that wonderful, good stuff. Big government, command-and-control economy, authority, this sort of stuff. This is what kids are taught. I mean, look at 'em. Young kids that you saw believe this stuff. Dolts in Hollywood, they fall for it. It is seductive for people that don't like competition.

CALLER: You know, Rush, I totally agree with you. But sometimes in the back of your common sense, sometimes your heart can tell you when people are lying and when they are not. And those celebrities, trust me: If they make a movie, they play certain characters. It doesn't mean anything. People have to understand it. They know exactly how to fly airplane if they playing the pilot? Absolutely not. And even celebrities who travel all over the world and they see the life in other countries, they have to be smart and understand that Obama using them.

RUSH: I actually --

CALLER: He using minority groups to get to the point that they elect him.

RUSH: I'm --

CALLER: And question number one: Do they understand when he use them, what happened after that?

RUSH: I actually am enjoying this. Do you people understand what you're hearing here? Here is somebody who grew up under it. Here's somebody who lived it. Irina is two things. She's scared and she can't believe the people in this country who are falling for it. That's what I love. I love this. She can't believe people are falling for this. She lived it. She grew up in it; she was born into it. She escaped it.

Now it's caught up when her again. She thought she had outrun socialism, but it's caught her. And she's scared. Irina, you're in the right place, and we're gonna beat this back. We are going to beat it back. It's what this whole campaign has been about. It's what this weekend is gonna be about. I'm flattered that you're in the audience. I'm glad you called. It's the voice of experience there folks, the voice of experience. "Celebrities don't know anything." She's right. I appreciate the call.

END TRANSCRIPT

I made a very similar outcry on my facebook page, I'm not sure if I can post a link to it here bit got some interesting responces. Mods please let me know if OK to post the link?