Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Shadow]

Living in a country where the LOWEST tax rate is 35%, I would love to have your troubles...

[BC]

Shadow,

Doesn't the 35% include social security and healthcare?

If so you're getting a good deal IMHO.

[Shadow]

Shadow,

Doesn't the 35% include social security and healthcare?

If so you're getting a good deal IMHO.

The amount is divided in to the social security fund as well as other general government funds, but health care is a minimal of USD 200 a month extra.
By a system of amounts-not-to-be paid and tax deduction the average joe falls down to paying about 25% to 30% in reality. But the higher-ups need a more inventive system as the progressive tax system rises rather quickly to 52%.
Which is why they flee in to (international) corporate structures which brings it down to again about 30%.
The minimum wage (which is equal to the family social security) pays 13%, excluding health care. As this means a minimum wage actually earns below social security, behold one of the problems employers face...

[Eduard]

To be totally correct here the FSU was never a socialist state. It was a communist state. There is a big difference between the two. 

We were taught that we were living in a socialist society building a communist society. It all sounded beautiful in theory while the reality was pretty horrible.

[BC]

The amount is divided in to the social security fund as well as other general government funds, but health care is a minimal of USD 200 a month extra.
By a system of amounts-not-to-be paid and tax deduction the average joe falls down to paying about 25% to 30% in reality. But the higher-ups need a more inventive system as the progressive tax system rises rather quickly to 52%.
Which is why they flee in to (international) corporate structures which brings it down to again about 30%.
The minimum wage (which is equal to the family social security) pays 13%, excluding health care. As this means a minimum wage actually earns below social security, behold one of the problems employers face...

Don't know if it is also that way in NL, but at least in Germany the healthcare system also pays the employee their salary after 6 weeks when an employee is sick or hospitalized long term.  This works out to be a perk for the employer as well by reducing risk.  Also 'calling in sick' requires a doctor's certification in most cases which gives the employer some kind of control that the employee was actually sick.

There are a lot of pluses on both sides, but yes a price is involved.

[Gator]

Living in a country where the LOWEST tax rate is 35%, I would love to have your troubles...

You must examine all taxes, not just Federal Income Tax (FIT).  For example, I pay more in real estate taxes than I do in FIT.  A portion of  personal income is from corporate dividends and is currently sheltered because it has already been taxed by the highest corporate tax rate in the Western world.
 
We do have a sales tax of purchases; however our rate is 7% vs. a much higher VAT for you.
 
The Buffet rule is just an appetizer for the government.  The big government feast will be on the middle class and is next.  Obamacare and AMT will be part of that.
 
It sure is complicated.  Too complicated.  A flat tax rule would certainly help and produce more revenue.  But why raise revenue if the government keeps racing ahead with spending?

[Shadow]

Don't know if it is also that way in NL, but at least in Germany the healthcare system also pays the employee their salary after 6 weeks when an employee is sick or hospitalized long term.  This works out to be a perk for the employer as well by reducing risk.  Also 'calling in sick' requires a doctor's certification in most cases which gives the employer some kind of control that the employee was actually sick.

There are a lot of pluses on both sides, but yes a price is involved.

Unfortunately a line of socialist governments have created a system that is not as easy for employers as in Germany. Employers have to obtain an insurance from private insurance companies, or run the risk of one year full payment of salaries in case of illness.
As far as asking for a doctor's certification that is seen as an invasion of privacy and there for strictly forbidden.

Germany does have a different system, but has a higher tax rate as the difference between gross and nett is 50% after deducting social security.
Belgium has a low taxrate for lower wages, but increaser rapidly for higher ones. On the other hand, social security and healh care are pretty cheap.

[Shadow]

You must examine all taxes, not just Federal Income Tax (FIT).  For example, I pay more in real estate taxes than I do in FIT.  A portion of  personal income is from corporate dividends and is currently sheltered because it has already been taxed by the highest corporate tax rate in the Western world.
 
We do have a sales tax of purchases; however our rate is 7% vs. a much higher VAT for you.
 
The Buffet rule is just an appetizer for the government.  The big government feast will be on the middle class and is next.  Obamacare and AMT will be part of that.
 
It sure is complicated.  Too complicated.  A flat tax rule would certainly help and produce more revenue.  But why raise revenue if the government keeps racing ahead with spending?

VAT is at 19%, might be raised to 21% as in Belgium and Germany soon.
As for real estate taxes, they are very unlikely to be lower considering how many people complain here.  If I am correct a yearly 1% is the norm, though it differs by which city you are living in with the big cities being the highest collectors.

[Gator]

As for real estate taxes, they are very unlikely to be lower considering how many people complain here.  If I am correct a yearly 1% is the norm, though it differs by which city you are living in with the big cities being the highest collectors.

Florida is about 3+% at the high end, dependent upon how long you have owned the property.  Then again, we have no state income tax in Florida as we receive much tax revenue on tourist expenditures.  Texas has no state income tax because of oil revenue.  California has all the taxes plus expensive property values.
 
Nothing certain in life except death and taxes.

[Shadow]

Florida is about 3+% at the high end, dependent upon how long you have owned the property.  Then again, we have no state income tax in Florida as we receive much tax revenue on tourist expenditures.  Texas has no state income tax because of oil revenue.  California has all the taxes plus expensive property values.
 
Nothing certain in life except death and taxes.

Now that sounds higher but... is the value also indexed every 3 years, keeping the tax up to date with the market value  ? 

[Gator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8O7V-WxWQ&feature=youtu.be

[calmissile]

 
So Obama's Father Served in WWII?
 
 
 
Obama's father served in WW II, really?  It goes from sad to disgusting.
How many more lies will he have to tell before the  mainstream media starts calling him on them? This might help explain why there was little support in the halls of government [where it counted, anyway] for the Stolen Valor effort. 'Stolen Valor' would have made it a crime to wear military uniforms and or devices not earned.... Another slap in the face to U.S. Veterans.
 
Obama said his father served in WW II.
He said so in a speech. Here is an 18 second video: CNN News clip:

Is he a compulsive liar? Why were there no reporters who checked these statements and called him on this? They did for everyone else. Why not him?
Like it or not, here are the facts:
 
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Obama's father) Born: 4/4/36 Died: 11/24/82 at the age of 46. He was 5 years old when WW II started, and less than 9 1/2 yrs old when it ended.
Lolo Soetoro (Obama's step father) Born: January 2,1935 Died: 3/2/87 at the age of 52.
He was 6 years old when WW II started, and 10 years old when it ended. He must have been the youngest Veteran in the war.
Watch the video. RIGHT OUT OF HIS MOUTH!!!
And the media doesn't say anything. If you doubt it, Google both of these guys.
It appears this guy doesn't know how to tell the truth -- or he doesn't care about telling the truth -- or perhaps he doesn't know when he isn't telling the truth (which is also a very scary angle). Talk about STOLEN HONOR!!! Had this been Bush, the Media would still be on it!
The CNN clip of Obama is surprising. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this lie wasn't uncovered, questioned, or debated before the Nov. 2008 election. Oh well, he must have just "forgotten" the facts, again. Or perhaps he really doesn't even know the difference between truth and fabrication?
 
 

[ML]

Not to support Obama . . . but is it possible he was speaking of his grandfather, his mother's father?

Yes, I know he says father, but perhaps he was in habit of calling his grandfather, father.  It happens.

Perhaps this has already  been checked out and disproven also; i.e. that his grandfather served in WWII.

[Boethius]

That probably is the case.
With the exception of the time he was in Indonesia, as a child, Obama's maternal Grandfather was, de facto, his father.  He even looks like his Grandfather.
 
 

[tfcrew]

http://www.romneyexposed.com/

[tfcrew]

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Notice at the start how the Pres is checking out the curly redhead.

[tfcrew]

Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em he beat him?

Mitt Romney is facing a fight for the White House and some conservative pundits are predicting it is going to get dirty.
Charles Krauthammer a Fox News contributor, made the prediction that “you’ll have to shower several times a day” up until November’s General Election.

Oddly enough making stuff up is a Fox News favorite and the network has been attacking President Obama for three years. Certainly, Krauthammer can’t expect the Obama campaign to take it lying down and give Romney any advantage especially after the bills the GOP have been passing in Congress. The GOP attacks on the HealthCare Reform bill have been fierce and steady, hitting Obama’s greatest achievement.

Romney has much to worry about, however his own past flip flops makes him a very insecure candidate, one whom his own party are having to hold their noses to vote for in the Republican nomination.
Negative campaigns can work, and we’re getting a taste of it right now” said Krauthammer today on the Bill O’Reilly Show. The hypocrisy of his statements however show that the negativity has actually come from the republican party in their attacks on legislation affecting women and minorities the most. From Wisconsin to Virginia the failed laws on vaginal probes has made the GOP look and feel ridiculous to the public.
Outrageous laws such as muzzling doctors in Pennsylvania from discussing franking chemicals with their patients who are damaged by them, utter and sheer anti-human laws!
The advice to Romney to face his competitor head on is not exactly Romney’s style after his failures in the past to secure the nomination or even a VP role in McCain’s win in 2008.
After the circus performed by the GOP candidates for one year now, that has usurped air time on CNN and Fox News it is time for Obama’s campaign to assume the narrative and fire back at the extraordinary attacks on his first term. It has been a “dirty four years” from Republicans attacking President Obama’s every move, every detail and every bill has been shot down by the GOP. The fight even affect the country’s credit rating in a battle royal over the debt ceiling causing a crisis for the US credit rating for the first time in history!
If Mitt Romney has any chance at all in beating Obama he has to look at his own past history not because the prediction that Obama will go rogue on Romney.
Most recently, Mitt Romney asked for the endorsement of a right wing fanatical gun advocate like Ted Nugent, shooting himself in the foot again. Mitt Romney’s repeat performances of gaffs, flip-flops and his non-disclosure of Iran oil investments in his tax returns -the Obama campaign will not have to work very hard.
 

Read more: http://www.politicolnews.com/2012-the-dirtiest-campaign-youll-see-fox-news/#ixzz1sSAspdGz

Oh, more on Scytl.........

There are no Americans on the Board of Directors of Scytl—but CEO Pere Valles once lived and worked in Barack’s old stomping grounds, Chicago.

http://patriotupdate.com/articles/what-is-scytl-why-should-you-be-very-very-concerned

[2tallbill]

So Obama's Father Served in WWII?
 

I don't like Obama (at all) however 


I think he was referring to his maternal grandfather
Stanley Dunham who raised him from age ten forward
in Hawaii, he was a veteran of WWII

[calmissile]

I think he was referring to his maternal grandfather
Stanley Dunham who raised him from age ten forward
in Hawaii, he was a veteran of WWII

You might be correct.   I do not like any of the candidates, but am still hung up on why would a presidential candidate ask the voters to put their trust in him and then spend millions to keep his records sealed such as his birth certificate, school transcripts, etc.  This alone makes no sense  to me!

If you can believe the stories on line about a trial back east, the lawyer and the judge agreed that his birth certificate is a fake and was computer generated.   I don't have time to do a forensic analysis like others have done, but if this is true then I would not believe anything he says and certainly would not want him to be president of the US.  If the stories are fake about the court trial I have not found a source yet that indicates it.

There are reasons enough to not vote for Obama based on his policies and leftest leanings, but I cannot understand why he does/did not simply release this information long ago and put the issues to bed.  Makes no sense to me unless he is truly hiding something.

[Boethius]

I don't like Obama (at all) however 


I think he was referring to his maternal grandfather
Stanley Dunham who raised him from age ten forward
in Hawaii, he was a veteran of WWII

From shortly after birth until age five, then when he returned from Indonesia.

[Kokopelli]

Barry don't who his daddy is?
Didn't he write a book entitled "Dreams from my father"?
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-My-Father-Story-Inheritance/dp/1400082773
He even misspells Frantz Fanon.
American president Barack Obama cites Fanon as an intellectual influence in Dreams from My Father. The passage [pages 100-101]: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night,in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated."
What a scholarly work.
Add Navy "corpse" man, good God, what a genius.
This is the one that really got me:

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t.

If you are still on the fence about who to vote for try this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/B0057D8RL4/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334869036&sr=1-1
It's a quick read.

[Boethius]

Dreams From My Father was not meant to be a scholarly work.
 
It is a good read.

[Kokopelli]

Dreams From My Father was not meant to be a scholarly work.
 
It is a good read.

Usually one remembers how to spell the name of the person one considers an intellectual influence.
Have you read anything by Fanon?

[Misha]

then spend millions to keep his records sealed such as his birth certificate, school transcripts, etc.  This alone makes no sense  to me!

Why would he spend millions of dollars to do this? These records are not "sealed" per se, but they cannot be released to the general public. I could not walk into any university and demand that they give me somebody's transcripts and it does not matter if they are the President or a janitor.

[Misha]

Usually one remembers how to spell the name of the person one considers an intellectual influence.
Have you read anything by Fanon?

True, it is a pretty big mistake, but the draft of the book was certainly reviewed and corrected by many editors, copy editors and the like between the final draft and the publishing of the book. Anybody anywhere along the chain could have changed the Frantz to Franz and when rereading a text, quite often you see what you think is there and not what is actually there on the paper