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George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« on: March 30, 2015, 09:59:38 AM »


"The veteran hedge fund investor told an Austrian newspaper he was prepared to invest $1 billion in the collapsing war-ravaged economy under certain circumstances."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/30/investing/ukraine-soros-billion-russia/index.html?iid=HP_LN



Related to this:  http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/news/soros-ukraine-europe-50-billion/index.html?iid=EL

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George Soros has called on Europe to stump up $50 billion in aid to support Ukraine as its economy withers in the wake of ongoing conflict with Russia.

In an essay published in the New York Review of Books on Thursday, Soros said the financial package is needed to help the Ukrainian government embark on radical economic reforms.

The billionaire investor and philanthropist said while he supports the continuation of sanctions against Russia, the focus must be shifted from punishing Russia to helping Ukraine.



"Ukraine is defending Europe's borders," Soros was quoted as saying. "But above all, the country is fighting for European values such as the rule of law and freedom. That is too often forgotten."

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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 01:22:33 PM »
Soros-Owned Restaurant Sued for Wage Violations

A Syracuse, N.Y., restaurant owned by the liberal billionaire George Soros doesn’t pay its tipped employees fair wages, some of those employees alleged in a lawsuit filed this week.

Those employees signed on to a class suit lodged this week against the Dinosaur Bar-B-Que restaurant chain, the Syracuse Post-Standard reported on Monday.



http://freebeacon.com/politics/soros-owned-restaurant-sued-for-wage-violations/

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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2015, 01:58:54 PM »
Soros-Owned Restaurant Sued for Wage Violations

A Syracuse, N.Y., restaurant owned by the liberal billionaire George Soros doesn’t pay its tipped employees fair wages, some of those employees alleged in a lawsuit filed this week.

Those employees signed on to a class suit lodged this week against the Dinosaur Bar-B-Que restaurant chain, the Syracuse Post-Standard reported on Monday.



http://freebeacon.com/politics/soros-owned-restaurant-sued-for-wage-violations/


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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 03:15:27 PM »
Bump...........

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Leaked: George Soros ‘Puppet Master’ Behind Ukrainian Regime, Trails Of Corruption Revealed   Hacked emails also reveal Soros' machinations with the US Government and the officials of the European Union in a scheme where, if he succeeds, he could win billions in the plunder of Ukraine assets. All, of course, would be at the expense of Ukrainian citizens and of EU taxpayers.            

Ran across some older articles on this guy.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked-george-soros-puppet-master-behind-ukrainian-regime/206574/

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‘Self-appointed advocate of new Ukraine’: Soros emails leaked by anti-Kiev hackers
http://www.rt.com/news/264037-soros-ukraine-poroshenko-leak/?

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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 03:17:15 PM »
He's old, he's already made a fortune, and I do believe that he really wants to change the face of Eastern Europe for the better.  I think that would be a great legacy.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 03:38:09 PM »
He's old, he's already made a fortune, and I do believe that he really wants to change the face of Eastern Europe for the better.  I think that would be a great legacy.


He VERY recently invested millions in Coal energy companies...which he had previously railed against.  He helped drive the shares to 1 dollar, with a looming bankruptcy, and now he is buying them up, driving the price up also.  He stands to make a lot of money on this.  I own the stock, look it up...BTU.   I have doubts about what Soros is actually about. 


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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 04:03:15 PM »
He's old, he's already made a fortune, and I do believe that he really wants to change the face of Eastern Europe for the better.  I think that would be a great legacy.

Soros advice to the new government in Ukraine last year came at a crucial time.Encouragment needed at that time that western investment would come to the right environment.
He has put money where his mouth was.
The shape and direction of a new Ukraine can be argued endlessly--but getting the economy to a functioning free market basis is no small task.
I have my own reservations about Soros type investment in general--but realistically beggars can't be choosers who they choose for bedfellows. In the same way that  compromises have needed to be made in the political alliances( I am referring to internal issues here) compromise is the key word to economic progress .
Already the influx of Chinese money is impacting in Ukraine--and there is and has been a lot of Chinese money floating around looking for a home(investment)
Also to be noted--Soros is not without the ability to influence US directions--and his contribution to see help for Ukraine should be noted.
Ukraine needs every friend it can get at this crucial time.Soros's heart is in the right place with Ukraine.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 05:12:30 PM »

    I have doubts about what Soros is actually about. 

 

Reviewing some of these links, it looks like Soros wants to expand the war between the east and west Ukraine.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 05:25:58 PM »
Reviewing some of these links, it looks like Soros wants to expand the war between the east and west Ukraine.

There is no war between "the east and west Ukraine"

There is an invasion by Russia in eastern Ukraine being resisted by Ukraine -- so any definition is Ukraine is at war with Russia-- as Ukraine seeks to defend itself and the rights of the Ukrainian people.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 06:15:38 PM »
There is no war between "the east and west Ukraine"

 

Tell that to George Soros.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 12:54:10 AM »
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I have doubts about what Soros is actually about. 

Stop the presses, we agree on something!

I will go back to bed and try waking up again--this just cannot be.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2015, 12:56:32 AM »
Tf, there truly is no war of East vs West. But Soros may be another Henry Ford or Joseph Kennedy -- investing in both sides at least means you appear to come out on top with the winner, whoever that may be.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 07:56:27 AM »
Soros is evil.  This is the guy, that knew he was Jewish, and had fun working with the German Nazis to confiscate other Jewish people's property.

Seems his MO has been consistent all his life.

From the Dec 20th 1998 "60 Minutes"  (TV news show) broadcast:

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KROFT: (Voiceover) To understand the complexities and contradictions in his personality, you have to go back to the very beginning: to Budapest, where George Soros was born 68 years ago to parents who were wealthy, well-educated and Jewish.

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew...

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...who escaped the Holocaust...

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) ... by -- by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 09:05:56 AM »
Would it have been better had he decided to out himself and go to a concentration camp?
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2015, 10:28:17 AM »
Would it have been better had he decided to out himself and go to a concentration camp?

Notice his equivalence to markets - "well, if I didn't (do X) then someone else would have". 

Under that philosophy, it is entirely acceptable for me to sleep with married women (that are married to someone else), since "if I didn't sleep with them, they would sleep with someone else".
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2015, 11:55:55 AM »
Would it have been better had he decided to out himself and go to a concentration camp?

Would be better if he would now grow a spine, repent, and man up. It's not too late until it is too late.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2015, 12:05:10 PM »
Tf, there truly is no war of East vs West. But Soros may be another Henry Ford or Joseph Kennedy -- investing in both sides at least means you appear to come out on top with the winner, whoever that may be.

Both sides of what?
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2015, 01:28:58 PM »
Both sides of what?

Of anything, usually conflicts. Those investing on both sides are generally profiting from both sides. Those in the ilk of Soros will instigate or perpetuate any conflict for profit. It's what they do

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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2015, 07:52:30 PM »
Both sides as in investing both in the Allies, and investing in the Nazi economy during the war. They were going to come out on the side of victors no matter who won.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2015, 09:42:50 PM »
Both sides as in investing both in the Allies, and investing in the Nazi economy during the war. They were going to come out on the side of victors no matter who won.

You are overlooking fact that such investors stand to lose 100% of everything invested with losers.

In a 50/50 split of investing, they would come out the same as those who had invested zero.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2015, 10:00:55 PM »
You are overlooking fact that such investors stand to lose 100% of everything invested with losers.

In a 50/50 split of investing, they would come out the same as those who had invested zero.

One would have thought with your education and financial prowess you would understand that investing 20% on the losing side to prolong the conflict and protect the 50% on the winning side is a damn good return

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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2015, 05:09:25 AM »
You are overlooking fact that such investors stand to lose 100% of everything invested with losers.

In a 50/50 split of investing, they would come out the same as those who had invested zero.

As long as the potential return is $3 for every $1 invested, then it is a safe strategy.  Have a look at what even the WWI war profiteers made in USA and you will a) be surprised b) understand how the scam works.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2015, 08:18:22 AM »
Both sides as in investing both in the Allies, and investing in the Nazi economy during the war. They were going to come out on the side of victors no matter who won.
Forget about Nazis.
Both sides of what in Ukraine?
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2015, 08:41:21 AM »

ML:    In a 50/50 split of investing, they would come out the same as those who had invested zero.
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One would have thought with your education and financial prowess you would understand that investing 20% on the losing side to prolong the conflict and protect the 50% on the winning side is a damn good return

= = = = = =

First, I didn't twist words as you did in turning my 50/50 into 20/50.

Second, pretty weird investing 20% on one side and 50% on another side.  I guess in some worlds percentages do not have to add up to 100%.

Third, nice trick to invest most on winning side.  This will serve well in Vegas.  Be great tactic to use in lottery also.
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Re: George Soros Bullish on Ukraine - Maybe?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2015, 10:24:09 AM »
You are overlooking fact that such investors stand to lose 100% of everything invested with losers.

 

Not munitions czars. They make $$$$ no matter what.
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