What happened to appeal of foreign wife ???

[Trenchcoat]

An average girl at some stage wants a boyfriend. She can Tinder date above her average, but once she gets bored of players there are opportunities for an ordinary Joe. Plus girls tend to go for guys 2-3 years older than them, so it's just a question of time for both.

Have you ever heard the term 'cock carousel' Steven. Once girls start bobbing around in that one they only fully get of that ride once fully shafted. Quite a ride I'm sure but the point is that they get hooked on hot guys, they get one then they want more, they don't want to go down to dating the everyday guy anymore. They only come to a halt on the ride once the carousel comes to stops whirling around normally around the age of 40. By that time the pretty boys don't want them anymore as they are no longer attractive enough even for the older pretty boys. The everyday dude doesn't want them either because many can't have kids or soon won't be able to have any so why get lumbered with them? I remember back in the days when Match got going there were a lot of women complaining that once they got near 40 the men just didn't want to know. Up to then they didn't want to know a lot of the men, the everyday looking guy so I would say they got just what they deserved. Mind you situation reversed if the everyday guy could get screwed by hot girl after hot girl for ONS it would be very tempting, that or an everyday girl for a long term relationship and family 🤔

Girls though aren't that bothered though about getting with everyday guys unless there is the provider aspect to it like there used to be.

[rwd123]

1) Marriage is not logical (and in long-term decline): http://youtu.be/o5z8-9Op2nM
2) Men in the west are waking up to #1.
3) Forums are a less popular form of networking than in the past (as per Davo's comment).
4) Davo is slaying the competition and scaring men away.

[rwd123]

Any other ideas about this mass lowering in age criteria?

My friend in Moscow would say globalization, in other words - social media, dating apps and similar sites provide a false sense of attention (worth) to women. Their expectations have been altered.

Many people seem to treat the digital world as if it is real.

Edit: if you do want to live in the digital world then you really need to know how to message girls online.

[ML]

Edit: if you do want to live in the digital world then you really need to know how to message girls online.

Don't you mean 'do not want'

[Trenchcoat]

I really do think this is a golden time to get involved in dating in the FSU but most don't see it. They've seen that Ukraine is at war, Russia is hostile, problematic, etc and they decide the show is over and go home. What does that create? Reduced competition and an almost ideal dating market for a guy. A Western guy out there is going to be seen like gold dust to the women. He's going to really be seen as something, as a prize. Sure there is always odd negative person but there are going to be many FSW that will see a Western guy as opening many doors to a better life. If you're out there I wouldn't mind betting Mothers will come forth with their late teen daughters in the hope of marrying them off to you.

Still in the FSU the wages of the workers is a fraction of what it's is in the West. Even a guy in the UK or US working part time on low pay will earn several times the amount of workers in the FSU. So even a low paid UK/US guy can open many doors and do a lot for a FSW, out in the FSU he is a rich guy, even moreso with what's going on at present.

Another opportunity I think many guys might be overlooking are the Stans, many Russians went there to escape what is going on in Russia financially and with conscription of their men, but my guess is many women went there too, so could be worth checking out by someone.

[ML]

Still in the FSU the wages of the workers is a fraction of what it's is in the West. Even a guy in the UK or US working part time on low pay will earn several times the amount of workers in the FSU. So even a low paid UK/US guy can open many doors and do a lot for a FSW, out in the FSU he is a rich guy, even moreso with what's going on at present.

A serious logical fallacy to try to make judgements based on comparing wages in different countries.

Instead, you have to work with Purchasing Power Parities.  The rates of currency conversion that equalize the purchasing power of different currencies by eliminating the differences in price levels between countries.

Study and analyze this, and report back to us here.

[Trenchcoat]

A serious logical fallacy to try to make judgements based on comparing wages in different countries.

Instead, you have to work with Purchasing Power Parities.  The rates of currency conversion that equalize the purchasing power of different currencies by eliminating the differences in price levels between countries.

Study and analyze this, and report back to us here.

You risk turning me into a dreadful geek ML

[Steven1971]

A serious logical fallacy to try to make judgements based on comparing wages in different countries.

Instead, you have to work with Purchasing Power Parities.  The rates of currency conversion that equalize the purchasing power of different currencies by eliminating the differences in price levels between countries.

Study and analyze this, and report back to us here.

And then we come full circle to Trench living like a king off his UK rental income in the FSU...

[Trenchcoat]

And then we come full circle to Trench living like a king off his UK rental income in the FSU...

Indeed I could live like a lord of that rental income. I can bring in around £1000 - £1500 a month. A regular single FSU person could bring in around £150 - £250 or so a month. All of that and not having to work either if I so choose. Think of all the women that would be throwing themselves at me! I would be hit property out there and if I was still single all the mothers would be rocking up with their late teeny daughter's interested in seeing if they could fix us up. Reminds me of an old Anastasia Love Tour that used to be on You Tube (not sure it is now) where a Mother is at one of the venues with her young late teen
daughter seeing if she could fix her up with a Western guy. A much more of an intriguing way around it I think.

[ML]

Actually there has developed a very wide spread of salaries in Ukraine, unlike the old Soviet days or even more recent FSU days where most people earned very similar salaries.

Wife is aware of folks who are earning $1,500 to over $3,000 a month in various accounting, finance and computer jobs.  And these are not top executives or even middle managers.
Some sales people are even making much, much more than that.

To meet up with gals who are only earning in the $200-500 range, best look for teachers, store clerks, child care workers, and lower level government workers.

[Trenchcoat]

Actually there has developed a very wide spread of salaries in Ukraine, unlike the old Soviet days or even more recent FSU days where most people earned very similar salaries.

Wife is aware of folks who are earning $1,500 to over $3,000 a month in various accounting, finance and computer jobs.  And these are not top executives or even middle managers.
Some sales people are even making much, much more than that.

To meet up with gals who are only earning in the $200-500 range, best look for teachers, store clerks, child care workers, and lower level government workers.

That's no doubt true ML, but most Ukrainians won't see those very top salaries and will only dream of them. That said those top salaries will usually fall the the exceptionally gifted and possibly occasionally to the corrupt or extremely lucky.

Then there are those on that are on decent above average salaries. Usually responsible jobs, probably those mostly in their later years.

Mist though will struggle to get up to the average salary with the picture being the bulk of Ukrainians earning low salaries. Sources vary in their data on salaries for Ukraine but here is one:

An average regular employee in Ukraine earned over 14.8 thousand Ukrainian hryvnia per month on average in 2022. The figures marked a continuous increase over the past decade. Information, finance, and air transportation were the leading economic sectors by average monthly wage in Ukraine.30 Mar 2023
http://www.statista.com › statistics
Average monthly wage in Ukraine 2010-2022 - Statista

So around £300 for the Ukrainian average wage. That sounds like it's probably about right but like here the average salary figure skewed upwards by the higher salaried that few get. So in reality most Ukrainians earning probably about £200-£250 or so a month. The lower paid, shop workers etc probably around £150 or so a month.

The professions can vary, there are those towards the top of their field and then the usual hum drum everyday professional in the more fault bread and butter more mundane work. Accounting for example can encompass such a wide range as this. The more mundane work probably just getting around the average wage which is nothing special of course.

[Grumpy]

US immigration is a mess. Write your congressperson and ask them to fund the immigration service and border patrol.

[ML]

Depends on what they will use the money for.

[ML]

Polyamory: Lots of Sex, Even More Scheduling
Elizabeth Bernstein, Wall Street Journal January 24, 2024

You may have noticed that polyamory is having a moment. 
Pursuing multiple romantic, emotional or sexual relationships, with the permission of all involved—known as consensual non-monogamy—is increasingly out in the open, as adherents tout what
they see as the benefits, such as more opportunities for emotional support and connection as well as sex.

People tend to be more committed to their primary partners in terms of building a life together . . . and have more sex and more sexual satisfaction with their secondary ones, says Rhonda Balzarini, an assistant professor of psychology at Texas State University and research fellow at the Kinsey Institute, who has conducted research on this.

As for sleeping arrangements, Chambliss sometimes sleeps with her husband and sometimes spends the night with her boyfriend in his room.

“If I am sick of them both, I sleep in the guest room,” she says!  🙂

[Grumpy]

A bipartisan immigration deal to restrict border crossings took a hit last week when Donald Trump pushed Congress to reject it. It’s the latest in a series of episodes over the last decade where one party blows up a deal just as the other gives in. President Biden wants to break this cycle, but to get the politics right, he must get the policy right first.

Mr. Biden had been prepared to give in to the G.O.P.’s demands in exchange for nothing. But the president’s strategy was doomed to fail.

It’s no surprise that before any actual text became public, Mr. Trump and his Republican allies in the Senate said they would oppose the bill. While Mr. Trump admitted that the proposal would, from his perspective, improve policy, he also said the party should reject anything but a “PERFECT” bill. Republican senators and the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board seem to think that Mr. Trump believes an immigration deal would help President Biden win re‐​election.

The main G.O.P. complaint with the deal isn’t that it goes too easy on people crossing the border illegally, but that it doesn’t block enough legal migration. Using the parole authority granted by Congress, Mr. Biden has created processes for some immigrants to fly legally to the United States, and Republicans want him to put an end to that practice.

This poor excuse only reinforces the impression that Republicans are not aiming to reduce border chaos. The new processes that allow U.S. citizens to sponsor immigrants for entry are greatly reducing illegal immigration. Any effort to gut legal entry would cause even more problems for the Border Patrol.

It seems that some Republicans would just as well let the crisis at the border persist. In response, Mr. Biden must not merely blame Republicans for blowing up the deal and then leave the issue alone. The president will always receive the bulk of the blame whenever there is lawlessness and chaos — no matter how inadequate are the resources and laws provided by Congress.

The politics here are frustrating policy reform, but better policy could help the politics. Mr. Biden can double down on expanding parole sponsorship programs that allow people lawful and orderly ways to enter the United States.

Letting people in through private sponsorship programs negates the need to expand resources because they’ll have the opportunity to line up jobs and housing in advance of getting here. If all else fails, they will have U.S. sponsors to help them out if necessary.

Some Republicans may not like immigrants coming in — legally or otherwise — but American voters don’t buy invasion rhetoric to describe people getting vetted to travel here legally. Fearmongering about drug smugglers and terrorists can work when people enter illegally.

Right now, Mr. Biden has only created legal processes for five countries — Ukraine, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela — and he has set a cap far below demand. These processes are legal and orderly. Expanding these procedures into other major origin countries and letting more people enter legally will reduce the flows to more manageable levels.

Without chaos to exploit, the Republican advantage on this issue will fall, making it less clear that it’s in the party’s interest to oppose any deal. Mr. Biden might feel that he has already won politically. But he should bet on policy, not politics, to neuter the apocalyptic border rhetoric. Allowing immigrants to arrive legally is his only chance to break out of a decade of failed immigration deals.

http://www.cato.org/commentary/what-biden-can-do-after-another-failed-border-deal

With all the immigration chaos and delays will anyone even be able to get a foreign bride into the US?

[ML]

With all the immigration chaos and delays will anyone even be able to get a foreign bride into the US?

Any indication that the standard procedure for bringing in fiancee is being stopped ?

[Grumpy]

http://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/

[Trenchcoat]

I dunno, having thought the question over a bit more I just kind of wonder if the younger generation have that much interest in meeting a partner. Western girls have very much gone off the boil in terms of finding a partner. It's generally all careers, educational courses and the like with them. If they want socialising many do so with their girlie mates.

I think while men have lagged a little in wanting the same as women many are probably now following suit as 'what else is there to do?'. If one side doesn't want to play ball then might as well just play the same game being played. I think in this respect that their is a kind of aversion to the responsibilities of having children among the younger generation. Even an aversion to the responsibilities and efforts a relationship may entail. After all having family and bringing up children while being potentially very rewarding and fun also comes with a lot of responsibilities and potentially shite to have to deal with. I think many younger people may just be thinking, 'to hell with all of that life is short so why spend it bringing up kids and all the time and effort that entails' and instead think, 'I can just sit it out in this career job, try to get up the ladder and time will fly by and so before I know it I will be old, life done and won't have to worry about all that family stuff'. I mean some people spend almost their entire lives raising kids and family then when they get old the kids move out and they rarely see them anyway. Almost like they made all that effort almost all for nothing, depending on what sort of relationships they have of course.

Even at my age I kind of have to weigh it up. Not just having kids either but a relationship in general. There are FSW out there that don't really care about finding the right guy, they have hit their mid to late thirties or older and just want a pension plan and a Western guy is that pension plan. Now what western guy wants that? Not me that's for sure. For me it's how it all weighs up on the scale aside from a woman who is genuinely into me. I've got a house all paid up for, I've got no commitments. In theory in a year or so's time I could chuck in my job, loans paid off,  enough money tucked away and just doss out. No need to bring in money to support family, pay off any mortgage, pay off rent, etc. So that would be the easy life for me but not necessarily a happy life, but it depends what people ant in life I guess, but in the main for the younger generation I think for most their focus has shifted onto just pleasing themselves and trying to get through life without having to concern themselves with responsibilities. Basically they are trying to cop out of it.

[Grumpy]

Sometimes the best way to understand why something is going wrong is to look at what’s going right. The asylum seekers from the border aren’t the only outsiders in town. Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine brought a separate influx of displaced people into U.S. cities that quietly assimilated most of them. “We have at least 30,000 Ukrainian refugees in the city of Chicago, and no one has even noticed,” Johnson told me in a recent interview.

According to New York officials, of about 30,000 Ukrainians who resettled there, very few ended up in shelters. By contrast, the city has scrambled to open nearly 200 emergency shelters to house asylees from the Southwest border.

America has had ample practice absorbing large numbers of immigrants. In 1907, 1.25 million immigrants were processed at Ellis Island. That’s an average of 3,400 people a day. The busiest day ever was April 7, when the immigration center accepted 11,747 people. More than 625,000 of that year’s immigrants settled in just four states: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Illinois. More than 100 years later, some of America’s most immigrant-friendly cities are cracking under a much smaller influx of asylum seekers. That’s not the inevitable result of our current circumstances, nor is it proof of our incapacity to grant refuge to endangered people. It’s a function of our elected leaders’ refusal to build a legal-immigration system capable of handling the current volume of asylum applicants in an efficient, humane way. If New York City is overwhelmed, that will not be because of migrants, but because of native-born political dysfunction.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/asylum-seekers-migrant-crisis/677464/

[Trenchcoat]

Sometimes the best way to understand why something is going wrong is to look at what’s going right. The asylum seekers from the border aren’t the only outsiders in town. Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine brought a separate influx of displaced people into U.S. cities that quietly assimilated most of them. “We have at least 30,000 Ukrainian refugees in the city of Chicago, and no one has even noticed,” Johnson told me in a recent interview.

According to New York officials, of about 30,000 Ukrainians who resettled there, very few ended up in shelters. By contrast, the city has scrambled to open nearly 200 emergency shelters to house asylees from the Southwest border.

Exactly, and if you think of how many of those 30,000 Ukrainians in each if those cities are going to be Single Women, Recently Widowed Women without kids, Recently Widowed Women with kids, Women who have recently broken up from their partner, etc. Let's say it's a good 10,000 of the 30,000 figure and our Beefarmuh would rather sit on his tush writing sweet nothings to his soldier girl in Ukraine. When he could have a live relationship going with a Ukraine woman just down the road from him, actually going somewhere, meeting him, caring for him, enjoying entertainment together, fucking him, kissing him all over

Yet he would rather find every excuse going to avoid that. Many maybe most local dudes pass over Ukrainian girls as they don't want to make the effort to get with their culture. Beefarmer already has an insight yet refuses to take action on the gift that has been put right in front of his nose. A guy with a bit up top would see that getting with the right Ukrainian girl is a good move, the divies walk on by 

[krimster2]

the problem of finding a "foreign wife" isn't a problem with Ukrainian or Russian wimmin
nope
it's the quality of western men that think Ukraine's their last hope that's the problem
as well as a generational one, as men's value are declining in society as each new generation falls further and further behind from the previous generation, their ABILITY and marketability in the dating market declines as well

everywhere you look you see things falling now...
ya think that maybe this foretell's something about our future.... DUH!!!  it literally MAY BE our future 9 months from now...
I know, I know, it violates TOS
where everybody in America wears redhats and gold sneakers to show their loyalty to "dear leader"


if I were freakin Biden, I'd be secretly taking dance lessons, to the point of being killer at it amd then challenge Trump to a a dance-off
buy hey...
I was only in Politics one time, and found it too cynical for my ongoing interest, one campaign was enuff
the making of politics
is all about unbridled self interest

and I figured out that bein a criminal in the black market was my ultimate pathway in life, while masquerading as a pure vanilla regular ole Electrical Engineer doin radio research in weird places
like in Sevastopol, Crimea for example....
doin LIDAR with teeny tiny 30 milliwatt infrared lasers (invisible to the naked eye)
and got the profile of EVERY Russian ship in the harbour(s) by walking around the harbour, at night and this was an entirely handmade device I made
and the USB interface to my laptop computer to control the special rotatating scanning head
and nobody freakin ever knew what I was doin!!!!
I ditched all the pieces of this and all the other "special projects" I made into as many pieces as possible and distributed deep into the dumpsters all over Sevastopol

and...
AND
I freely confess to being the person who created a new kind of "sea monkey" designed for living in the lower salinity of the black sea
I did this by conventional selective breeding
by gradually lowering the salinity content, and letting it stabilize and then let the colonly regrow with new lower salt tolerant sea monkeys, and then decrease once more
and after 14 generations of this
RELEASE THEM INTO THE BLACK SEA!!!!

GO!! be free my children!!!
AHHAHAHA!!!!!!

[2tallbill]

What happened to appeal of having a foreign bride ?

Way back in the day, I happened upon
http://www.planet-love.com/

In the early days, there were 3 sections for men interested in women from
Asia, Latin, and Eastern Europe.

All the forums were very active in early 2000s.

At some point, the Eastern Europe section was spit off into the current RWD.

Over the years hundreds even thousands of guys appeared in the various forums testing the waters.

They gave various reasons for looking for a foreign bride:

Younger woman
More attractive in face woman.
More slender woman.
Woman who wanted (or didn't want) children.
More submissive woman (although not usually saying these specific words).
More traditional woman, which might be defined differently by different men.
etc., etc., etc.

Then when Covid hit and the Russian terrorist invasion of Ukraine happened, quite naturally the activity on this RWD board dramatically decreased.

However, surprisingly to me . . . in looking at the above noted website, the activity on the Latin  and Asian forums has also fallen to practically nothing.

The last posting on the Asian forum was July 28, 2023, and on the Latin was December 28, 2023.

So what's the 'scoop' here; why the decline of interest in obtaining one of them there furin gals?

I am sure that the interest hasn't waned. Go to You tube and search passport bro's, red pill etc.
Fora rise and fall in popularity. Younger demographics go to different places to glean information.
I don't know where they look for experienced advice.

The interest is just as high. Normal men will always want stable, serious, attractive, non-woke women
to marry and procreate with. There will always be motivated, driven men with social skills like you and
me that will find a great woman. There will also always be the dreamers who will never get on a plane
and there will always be the socially lacking that believe foreign women are the magic solution to their
problems.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

the problem of finding a "foreign wife" isn't a problem with Ukrainian or Russian wimmin
nope
it's the quality of western men that think Ukraine's their last hope that's the problem
as well as a generational one, as men's value are declining in society as each new generation falls further and further behind from the previous generation, their ABILITY and marketability in the dating market declines as well

Krimster, I missed your posts.

Every generation looks at the next with distain. There will be exceptional men born today and
some total losers. The real value of men doesn't decline as long as 98.3% of plumbers are men
and as long as everyone still poops.

The infrastructure is designed, built and maintained by men. Inventions, tech and engineers are men.
There are exceptions (like 1.7% women plumbers) but the exceptions don't amount to enough to matter. 

[2tallbill]

In 1907, 1.25 million immigrants were processed at Ellis Island. That’s an average of 3,400 people a day. The busiest day ever was April 7, when the immigration center accepted 11,747 people. More than 625,000 of that year’s immigrants settled in just four states: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Illinois. More than 100 years later, some of America’s most immigrant-friendly cities are cracking under a much smaller influx of asylum seekers. That’s not the inevitable result of our current circumstances, nor is it proof of our incapacity to grant refuge to endangered people. It’s a function of our elected leaders’ refusal to build a legal-immigration system capable of handling the current volume of asylum applicants in an efficient, humane way. If New York City is overwhelmed, that will not be because of migrants, but because of native-born political dysfunction.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/asylum-seekers-migrant-crisis/677464/

Oklahoma became a state in 1907. If you migrated to the USA in 1907 and didn't find work, housing, etc.
You died, they threw your body in a hole and covered it up. You had to pay for your passage or you never
arrived in the first place. Everyone who arrived in the US in 1907 was motivated enough to risk their lives
on a game that was pass/fail. Pass you lived, fail and you got the hole.

I am not going to start a debate about the political function/disfunction of various places and people, because
it will go South faster than geese in the winter.

The appeal of a foreign wife is alive and well.

[krimster2]

http://twitter.com/i/status/1758638676702314613
ya want us to go BACK to this Beel?
Dagos, wetbacks, homeless immigrant kids sleepin on the street....this the America you wanna live in Beel?

ya see Beel, like you, I "present" as white
but...
i'm actually one of them HATED JOO BOYZ
A Texas Jew Boy is one of the worst kinda Jew Boyz that there is, a "Bear JOO" ain't nothin compared to a Texas Joo Boy

so I know what the receivin end of white supremecy feels like Beel, you DO NOT, cuz you is a REAL white boy
and not a fake one like me


that which divides us is the tool that tyrants use to chain us
that which binds us together is the tool that frees us from the tyrant's chains

did NOT Christ command all Christians to treat the stranger with compassion?
Question: when did Christians abandon this idea to embrace right-wing politics?
Answer: when the money-changers took over the places of worship and then they all worshipped money instead
mega-church = mega tax free prophets

America's future is gonna change, we ain't gonna be that big SUPERPOWER we became after WWII, our future is bein the biggest power in the western hemisphere and we need to cement together ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE into an economic BLOC to counter China
Mistreating Latinos to make points with Christian Nationalists ain't gonna win ya many friends in Latin America Amigo
Friends you ARE GONNA need one day

you think Latinos ain't loyal Americans?
10% of the US soldiers who died in the Bataan Death March were Latino
while not a single Trump has EVER worn the uniform of this country
but you'll sheet all over brown people who do all the manual labor in this country, who are EVERY bit as human as you are
to kiss Trump's ass who is nothing but an excessively selfish narcissistic con-man and compulsive liar
this is who YOU ALL ARE
and your selfish ignorance fills me with DISGUST
and ya'll gonna keep reaping a bitter harvest from it

since Plymouth Rock, the white population has increased EVERY single year, except for ONE
the final year of Trump's presidency
that's right, 2020 is the only year since 1620, when the White population of America declined!!!!

oh, the national debt, been runnin a tab since 1792
but 1/4 of that total debt was under Trump
MAGA indeed!!!!