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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2018, 12:38:09 PM »


The Ukrainian naval infantry will in many ways follow the United States Marine Corps as the most perfect model for long-term development.


“From my point of view, the U.S. Marine Corps is undoubtedly the best trained and most combat potent element of the U.S. military, which is able to wage the 5th and the 6th generation warfare – not only on the ground, but also offshore, in the air, and so on.”


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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2018, 12:41:00 PM »
we're going to need a lot more monuments for dead soldiers in Ukraine
a whole lot more...




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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2018, 12:43:58 PM »
At least they erect monuments rather than hide their dead in shame.

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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2018, 09:10:12 PM »
The Ukrainian Armed Forces conducted their first live-fire test of the Javelin anti-tank missile system provided by the United States as part of its defense aid package to the country.



http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraines-armed-forces-test-javelins-video.html

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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2018, 06:34:05 AM »
unfortunately, as part of the deal
javelins have to be stored in special "monitored" facilities
so they don't end up on the black market in the middle east
there are facilities for this
one's in kharkov
i know where they are
Russians know where they
when the kakashka goes down, those monitored facilties are all gonna be rubble in the first 3 min

so back to RPGS


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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2019, 12:42:28 PM »
Another  Mc standing up for Ukraine

America Must Stand with Ukraine Against Russia[/b]

Michael McCaul: Washington should increase foreign military sales and security assistance to Ukraine.




http://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-must-stand-ukraine-against-russia-54437
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2019, 07:23:26 PM »

In Ukraine, They  Sing a Lullaby that Gives Russians the Creeps


Ukrainian sense of sefl is stronger than ever.

On September 19, 2019, on social media  pages of some Ukrainian volunteers, bloggers, and activists featured pictures with a concise caption, “SLEEP,” which was drawn in red on the background of a heap of coal.

 It turned out that these pictures came from a new video by a Ukrainian singer, Anastasiya Shevchenko, and that video, based on her song, “A Lullaby for an Enemy,” not only touched the hearts of Ukrainians but also sent shivers down the spine of Russians.

 It is interesting that in the past, Anastasiya Shevchenko was a fighter and a paramedic of the Third Company of the Battalion number one of the Ukrainian Kulchytsky National Guard.

“Deep in my soul, I feel pity for our enemies. When you see people, who come to die in some other people’s land, then you understand just how badly they live in their own.
It is easier for them to sleep forever in other people’s land than to survive in theirs.

That’s why today I sing this lullaby for the enemy,” – wrote Anastasiya .
In their comments to the video, many viewers wrote that this is very heart-rending and powerful, and that it sounds like a spell or a black magic.

“Very strong. Makes you almost shiver. One can make this into a horror video and put it on at the demarcation line in the Donbas,” wrote one YouTube user.

“It’s even more than shivers down one’s spine. Every nerve and every little hair on your body reacts to this. Very, very strong!” – said another listener.

“It’s only us Ukrainians who can call our enemies воріженьки (the diminutive form of a noun, the way one calls a small child) and sing a lullaby to them when we kill them. Ukrainians are my amazing nation, talented, musical, and worthy of a better living. One feels electricity spreading over the skin when one listens to this woman sing. Glory to Ukraine!” – yet another listener stressed.

The song does sound like a spell in Ukrainian. Yet, specifically for Russians, the video has subtitles in red, which resemble traces of blood on the black coal of the Donbas. If you liked this “lullaby,” please, forward a link to this song to the Russian occupiers of Ukraine. Let them listen to it and then sleep for all eternity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=40WD9RDAMVc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=40WD9RDAMVc


“Year after year
I sing this lullaby to you
Obey my word
Sleep

I pity you, my enemy
Pity that you chose to walk down this road
You walk toward your death like a lunatic
Sleep

Leave your anger and leave your fatigue
There is no more need
You will drown forever in your sleep
Sleep

You will sleep forever in this cold soil
To you, it will be like this womb of mine
You are my captive forever
Sleep

You wanted this land
Now mix with it
You are my land now
Sleep

One Can Make This into a Horror Video and Put It on at the Demarcation Line”

http://informnapalm.org/en/in-ukraine-they-began-to-sing-a-lullaby-that-gives-russians-creeps-a-video/
« Last Edit: September 20, 2019, 07:45:09 PM by JayH »
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2019, 08:15:33 PM »
yes, I make up silly stories!
like the silly story of Zelensky working on behalf of Kolomoisky...

that’s crazy!!!

so please explain this photo, taken 10 days ago in Ukraine...
please explain why the former head of the NBU is being physically attacked at both home and abroad, AND for what reason....

http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ex-nbu-head-gontareva-decries-persecution-after-arson-attack-hit-and-run.html

http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/house-of-ex-nbu-head-gontareva-burned-down-in-molotov-cocktail-attack.html

Putin has put pressure on Trump to go after Kolomoisky’s assets in the USA...
to put pressure on Kolomoisky....

instead of being in jail Kolomoisky is working out a deal over Privatbank with  Zelensky!!!
he is going to have the bank returned to him!!!!!  it’s already 90% negotiated
he is going to give up in oil company in return!!!!!

http://www.ft.com/content/beddb1cc-d885-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17

Kolomoisky wants the ex-head of the NBU OUT OF THE WAY
to do his Cyprus syphon extortion SCHEME all over again!!!!! 
ask Wilbur Ross how that one works!

when the house of cards collapses, Russian political engineering is waiting....
to start crying “zhids”!!!!!   zhids!!! they crashed the economy!!!!!!
hundreds of titushki begin attacking synagogs and Jews in the street...
Jews ask for international help
Russian army is in Odessa in 100 hours after crossing border
to save Ukraine from fascists!
game over. man..


ahahahahahahahahaha

because I will have a Russian Passport tovarish, and will be registered at a prestigious address in Moscva...
and you on the other hand are going to have to start going to Moldova from then on JayJay!!!
and leave malenkaya Rossiya to me, horrosho!

hope you remembered the dingo treats when you went grocery shopping...
must SUCK to have to do your own shopping and cooking and stuff like that, HUH? 
I, on the other hand, have a whole bunch of women EAGER to serve me...




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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2019, 02:15:44 PM »
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22223.msg517990#msg517990


The "propaganda" for Ukraine is so strong, she has to sing it in Russian.


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« Last Edit: September 22, 2019, 02:31:06 PM by Boethius »
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2019, 02:27:07 PM »


 “A Lullaby for an Enemy,” not only touched the hearts of Ukrainians but also sent shivers down the spine of Russians.

Sorry, but there is probably nothing that Ukraine or Ukrainians can do that will send shivers down spine of Russians.

Only hope would have been if Ukraine had kept nuclear weapons.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2019, 03:17:55 PM »
so a couple of months after the military director of the battalions commits suicide
Zelensky withdraws all of the military force the battalions had stationed in the East...

a month ago Zelensky replaced the Prime Minister who was also Jewish, with a non-Jew
to turn it down a notch

too many Jews will make the soup unappealing to Goy tastes...

everyone’s just waiting for Putin to make the call, the military is 100% ready!
if Trump is not re-elected then Putin’s window shuts next November...
Nord Stream will be ready by then...

the collapse of the current western liberal attitude in Ukraine
will occur after the collapse of Ukraine, and Ukraine will shift far right to Russia
if you are Ukrainian, what can you put your faith and hopes in?
there will be only one thing Tovarisch...
and things are gonna go back to the way they’ve always been
and always will be in little Russia
Ukrainians are to Russians
what the Irish are to the English...
a hardy breed of serfs...



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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2019, 04:25:15 PM »
Ukrainians are to Russians what the Irish are to the English... a hardy breed of serfs...

Actually serfdom was more prevalent in Russia than in Ukraine.
A consequence of the much richer farm land in Ukraine.

This also was a cause of the Holodomor directed at Ukrainians because they were more resistant to
communism and collective farming than most other parts of the growing Soviet Union.
They were more resistant because they had a class of well to do (relatively) farmers (kulaks) who had never been serfs, unlike the widespread surfdom in Russia.
The kulaks were separated into three categories: those to be killed immediately, those to be sent to prison, and those to be deported to Siberia or Russia Asia.

Russians are more accepting of centralized control and even dictatorship because of their history of being serfs.
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2019, 04:39:17 PM »
some would disagree with what you wrote, and some wouldn't
here's a short reference regarding Ukrainian peasantry

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CS%5CE%5CSerfdom.htm

the village where I established Rancho Del Krimster, was a former Soviet agricultural workers village
like a migrant workers camp but on a permanent basis
people who lived here were second class citizens in the Soviet Union
you can do WTF you want here and everyone will be too scared to complain about it!!!

one of my wife's relatives was arrested for being a kulak in the soviet period, because he owned a chandelier and two cows!

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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2019, 10:33:39 PM »



This also was a cause of the Holodomor directed at Ukrainians

Except that the 'Holodomor' decimated populations in what is / was clearly Russia...


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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2019, 12:16:07 AM »
Except that the 'Holodomor' decimated populations in what is / was clearly Russia...

Oh?
It is one thing playing the forums fool to get attention -- but joining that nonsense about the Holodomor   just shows what a complete and utter idiot you are.

Summary says Soviet propaganda-- but clearly RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA. There has been a mountain of material posted on this forum   about the Holodomor in UKRAINE and the act of genocide against the people of Ukraine.

Denial of the Holodomor

Denial of the Holodomor is the assertion that the 1932–1933 Holodomor, a man-made[1] famine in Soviet Ukraine,[2] did not occur[3][4][5][6] or diminishing the scale and significance of the famine.[7] This denial and suppression of information about the famine was made in official Soviet propaganda from the very beginning until the 1980s.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2019, 01:06:20 AM »
Are the Kuban or Smolenskaya oblast in Ukraine, JayH?

I only ask as one of Russian partner's Grandparents were from these parts of RUSSIA and also suffered extreme hunger, hardship property confiscation during the same period...

The 'Holodomour' was NOT confined to what is modern day Ukraine..though that SSR was the worst effected.

'Foolish' is your near constant copying and pasting of stuff without checking authenticity or suggesting 'untruths' when you simply prove you are clueless.

I am simply pointing out that not only Ukrainians suffered..adding sawdust to bulk out potato mash.


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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2019, 06:25:26 AM »
jayH, WTF man?
were you were staring at the toilette flushing in the wrong direction again?

Mobers is 100% correct, Holodomor, was very prevalent in southern Russia
but in Russia, we pronounce it Golodomor

at the same time, Stalin had another mass starvation under way primarily in Russia
that involved shutting down factories which resulted in workers losing their ration cards
and sharing the same fate

mobers wasn't denying holodomor, horrosho
but you were SAYING he was
which is a VERY old Soviet "trick"

very clever...
but, not clever enough.....

jayh, why do you beg us to beat you all the time?
I assume you're a masochist and you enjoy our torment
why else would you come here and make these pitiful embarrassing attempts to challenge us
which ALWAYS end in your complete and total humiliation
please tell me the undoubtedly sad and tragic tale of WHY do you keep doing this

i'm all ooshkie cobber!
start from the beginning...



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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2019, 12:07:27 PM »
No, Holodomor was coined for, and is used specifically for the mass murder of millions of Ukrainian peasants.  It is restricted to starvation in Ukraine, Kuban, and the Don region.  All these regions were, at the time, populated predominantly by ethnic Ukrainians.  The term "Holodomor" was first used by diaspora Ukrainians.

There were other regions that suffered collectivization and mass starvation as well, including the Northern Caucasus, the Volga Region, the South Urals, Western Siberia, and Kazakhstan.  All of these areas also were heavily populated by ethnic Ukrainians, although they are not part of the Holodomor. 

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After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2019, 02:15:09 PM »
the Golodomor was a part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33...
it was a part of the same “greater” famine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

anyway, what everyone in Russia tells me is that it’s all propaganda spread by provokateurs
because Stalin was a strong leader, strong like stalnoy, who saved the Soviet Union from Fascism...
and strong leaders are good!

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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2019, 02:28:44 PM »
No, the Holodomor is specific to the regions I mentioned.  There are hundreds of scholarly articles written on this, many of which describe the event as a genocide of the Ukrainian people.  I am not certain it was an intended as a genocide, my views on this have fluctuated, but at this time, there is no definitive proof, historically, one way or the other. 


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« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2019, 07:09:50 PM »
I suspect that to the victims, our opinions are of absolutely no importance...
 

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« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2019, 08:27:06 PM »
Hmm, I'm not so certain.  I've known dozens of victims, some of whom are still alive.  The attitude toward the event differs among those who stayed in Ukraine, and diaspora survivors.  However, the acknowledgment and remembrance of their suffering is something that resonates with them.


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« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2019, 10:04:27 PM »
Wife tells of ancestors who survived Holodomor by eating mostly honey and onions.
Those who came to confiscate grains, potatoes, vegetables, fruits and any other food didn't bother with the onions and didn't know about the honey.

They also went to railroad tracks because sometimes passengers would throw them pieces of bread.

Each time the confiscators came to take any grains, etc., they would exclaim . . .

"Why are you still alive!!"
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2019, 05:27:53 AM »
I admit to a sloppy linguistic practice of affixing my own unique labels to things...
I don't call school shootings, "School Shootings", I call them"Columbines"
same thing with Russian famines....
I don't call it "The Great Soviet Famine of 1932-1933" which the Golodomor was a part of...
I just call it Golodomor, sloppy, yes, I know....
apologies for any hurt feelings   

famines
pogroms
war
genocide
financial collapse

let the good times roll Ukraine



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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2019, 12:55:53 PM »
It's Holodomor.  The letter "ґ" was removed from the Ukrainian alphabet under Soviet policies of Russification, replaced by the Russian "г" sound.  In Ukrainian, "г" has an "h" sound, not a "g" sound.  Russified Ukrainians don't know this either. 


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