Trench's Questions and Philosophies

[Boethius]

Nope, never heard of her & I studied Russian history at School so no doubt not someone that made a big enough impact.

LOL.  She is rather famous.  Apparently you must not have been a good student of history.  Other famous Russian feminists include Maria Trubnikova, Nadezhda Stasova, Evgenia Konradi, Anna Filosofova, and of course, Nadezhda Krupskaya.  Krupskaya, in particular, after the Revolution, pushed for full equality for women.

So why are you opining on matters on which you evidently know zero?

For sure they had the right to vote & lended their muscle to the Soviet mission/war cause. I do not see either of these as feminist though in them self. With women being able to work/labour, fight in the army they were not on a feminist driven campaign asking for it but were told by the mostly male Bolshevik/Soviet command they had to do it. Voting again doesn't necessarily amount to a feminist crusade that culminates in entrenched long term feminist views in society  (whether the woman realises she has feminist views or not).

No, you are again wrong.  There was a strong movement of feminism in Russia starting in the 18th century.  Intellectuals supported equality for women.  You can see this in the works of Russian writers, such as Chernyshevsky.  Although feminism started among the nobility, it was also an issue pushed by both female Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, as evidenced in their polemics.  When the Bolsheviks took power, they established creches, liberalized divorce laws, and made abortion legal, all to ensure women's equality.  Stalin overturned abortion rights, but they were restored after his death.  In fact, in Soviet times, abortion was the number 1 form of birth control.

Let's approach the topic from another aspect for clarity. Is there for example a regular call for women & men to be paid the same in Russia or Ukraine like what we currently have in the UK?

Apples and oranges.  These societies are not as economically advanced as the UK, and their economies collapsed. Currently, there are such arguments made, though not at governmental levels.  In the USSR, women were paid the same as men for the same work. 

ETA - As I posted previously, I think you are making excuses for yourself (i.e., the evil UK feminists means I can’t find a woman), and that generally does not lead to a positive result.  Feminism is not the reason you are not connecting with UK women, I can guarantee that. 

[Trenchcoat]

ETA - As I posted previously, I think you are making excuses for yourself, and that generally does not lead to a positive result.  Feminism is not the reason you are not connecting with UK women, I can guarantee that.

So you admit the societies are different and yet you do not consider that these differences can affect the forming of relationships in society. Someone has already commented that in times when a curfew was imposed birth rate went up however if a guy is at work all hours it can fall dramatically & even relationships may not form as much. In China they had the one child policy which caused a big gender imbalance - how easy do you think it is for a Chinese man to get a girl as a result - harder than the UK even, lol. Point is society is structurally engineered though all sorts of decisions, policies & activities. Take social housing in the UK, the existence of social housing affects relationships. It tells those in it they don't need to work as they have a house, they can get lazy & develop poor attitudes. That can affect relationships,  etc

Now I have already admitted here in the past that I don't do well pulling the girls as some other guys. There are many it's in the UK that don't get much if any joy pulling girls. Does that mean I will not succeed in FSU dating who knows. I can but try and see how it goes and that after all's said and done at the end of the day is all that I can do.

[Boethius]

No, relationships do not form differently based on societies, at least not romantic relationships (as opposed to arranged marriages). You will be who you are, no matter where you go. Initially, the lack of a common language, and your increased buying power vis a vis local men will work to your advantage. However, long term, they will be a detriment.

[BdHvA]

. . . I have already admitted here in the past that I don't do well pulling the girls as some other guys. . .

Perhaps there are some area's of your persona that you need to work on?

. . . I can but try and see how it goes and that after all's said and done at the end of the day is all that I can do. . .

Please try on, it makes coming to RWD and reading your posts worthwhile. Bear in mind any interaction you have with a woman from the fSU may influence her opinion of men from Western countries.

[Trenchcoat]

Chinese guys are picking up these women now so whats stopping western guys now?

I was watching a documentary of China about a decade or so ago. Anyway, in it about a good couple of dozen or so Chinese guys turned up to a social in their village in China - all fairly young men in their twenties. They were all there to compete for the interest of some young Chinese ladies - they were about 3 or 4 of them, lol. That is the extent of the gender imbalance out in China. Many a man there went away empty handed and hopes dashed. Rich Chinese guys travel to FSU for women but even then not all FSW want a Chinese guy, some don't look upon them well. I never really got the impression FSW travel to China much for a guy, if she did they would be flocking round her, she would be mauled, lol.

[Sting23]

I was watching a documentary of China about a decade or so ago. Anyway, in it about a good couple of dozen or so Chinese guys turned up to a social in their village in China - all fairly young men in their twenties. They were all there to compete for the interest of some young Chinese ladies - they were about 3 or 4 of them, lol. That is the extent of the gender imbalance out in China. Many a man there went away empty handed and hopes dashed. Rich Chinese guys travel to FSU for women but even then not all FSW want a Chinese guy, some don't look upon them well. I never really got the impression FSW travel to China much for a guy, if she did they would be flocking round her, she would be mauled, lol.

So now you are basing your impressions from a documentary a decade ago?  Have you even been to China or Asia dude?!  I personally have several Russian friends who worked or studied in China.  Some would go out with a Chinese dude, some not.  If you are rich you'll always attract a certain type of woman.  Just look at all the Russian oligarches and their 2nd or 3rd wife or mistress.

[Trenchcoat]

So now you are basing your impressions from a documentary a decade ago?  Have you even been to China or Asia dude?!  I personally have several Russian friends who worked or studied in China.  Some would go out with a Chinese dude, some not.  If you are rich you'll always attract a certain type of woman.  Just look at all the Russian oligarches and their 2nd or 3rd wife or mistress.

I'm essentially saying what you are, some FSW will date Chinese and some won't, some have no hang ups at all and some do. Odds are though most will readily date a white western guy if they are a white FSW in terms of dating criteria.

Students are one thing but apart from the odd FSW going to China career wise I doubt few go there. China is generally teeming with Chinese. Even though documentary was a decade old it's still will be much the same in terms of the gender situation. Another couple of decades it may change a little as the one child policy is no more.

[msmob]

But apart from the odd FSW going to China career wise I doubt few go there. China is generally teeming with Chinese.

Sighs

Do you know RUSSIAN women that work and live in China?

I meet a lass who comes to help at the RUSSIAN F1 GP every year who lives and works in Shanghai.

She loves it there and so do her friends.

[Sting23]

ok mate but we are not here for drinks as most of us are trying to find a wife so maybe you get over there and come across as more decisive , less pessimistic and then you can pull this off. I cant get over for a few months at least.

People have told him that over and over.  He just won't listen.

Trench lives in the UK which is a stone's throw away to Ukraine/Russia.  Compared to us in North America or Australia which is a 12-15 hour flight.  He coulda done several trips by now.

[Sting23]

I'm essentially saying what you are, some FSW will date Chinese and some won't, some have no hang ups at all and some do. Odds are though most will readily date a white western guy if they are a white FSW in terms of dating criteria.

Students are one thing but apart from the odd FSW going to China career wise I doubt few go there. China is generally teeming with Chinese. Even though documentary was a decade old it's still will be much the same in terms of the gender situation. Another couple of decades it may change a little as the one child policy is no more.

You know nothing man.  Russia and China are global partners who are next to each other geographically.  Russia's got over 100 million and China a billion people.  There's bound to be a few who intermarry.

Learning Chinese is becoming almost in demand as English for Russians.  I know several Russians who worked in China.  They can teach English and make more than in Russia, even though they aren't a native speaker.

[Davo2]

I watched a documentary about the Vladivostok region recently and China are pumping a lot of money into agriculture and also spending lots in the casinos. Let's hope they don't have the same as what's happening in Australia ATM... many big farms where my parents live are being bought by Chinese companies. They are paying a lot more than the going rate for land. Many local farmers think as their population grows they will struggle to feed their population, so they are buying up big in other countries.

[jone]

The Chinese population density across the Russian border in Eastern Russia is now greater than the local Russian population.  This must be a concern for the Russian government.  We have members on this forum, however, who dispute that tidbit as simply an untrue discussion point.

[Trenchcoat]

People have told him that over and over.  He just won't listen.

Trench lives in the UK which is a stone's throw away to Ukraine/Russia.  Compared to us in North America or Australia which is a 12-15 hour flight.  He coulda done several trips by now.

That one comes up so often, its not as easy as you think. Many of us have work commitments, then there is the cost. Each trip I estimate costs about £1k for a week - travel to & from airports, flight, hotel/apartment, car parking, travel money, eating out/buying food, entertainment if you wish, etc. A long weekend is almost pointless once travel time including to & from airport is taken off. To make a real good run off it the longer out there the better but that takes time to plan and money & time to hand. Also, while you could do it in the winter to be honest it is usually just unpleasant to be there in cold weather. That and as we have seen this winter the UK can grind to a halt when bad weather hits us. The summer the women are out in force in the streets with their goods laid bare, prime time for us there then

[Sting23]

The summer the women are out in force in the streets with their goods laid bare, prime time for us there then

that must be the pubescent version of you talking as usual.  one week trips are useless for you man.  Take a month long vacation, hit up Airbnb and rent a flat.
No girl is gonna bother coming back to you if you are only there a week.  They will see you as a tourist and not being serious.  In the end you're just wasting your money.

[LAman]

People have told him that over and over.  He just won't listen.

 

And what did Einstein say about insanity and RWD????

People here will never learn....

Trolls don't care about what one writes...they just try to make unfounded comments, then watch and laugh as others comment.

[ML]

The Chinese population density across the Russian border in Eastern Russia is now greater than the local Russian population.  This must be a concern for the Russian government.  We have members on this forum, however, who dispute that tidbit as simply an untrue discussion point.

I have posted here several times that I think it is inevitable that China will come to control all of current day Russia up to the Ural mountains.

Just when . . . is up in the air.

[Sting23]

And what did Einstein say about insanity and RWD????

People here will never learn....

Trolls don't care about what one writes...they just try to make unfounded comments, then watch and laugh as others comment.

The funny thing is Trench isn't even trying to being a troll.  He's just like that.  So it's pure unintentional comedy.  Well it's his life so he can do what he wants.

[LAman]

The funny thing is Trench isn't even trying to being a troll.  He's just like that.  So it's pure unintentional comedy.  Well it's his life so he can do what he wants.

You don't know that. I picture Trench living in his Mom's basement.....spending his life on a keyboard with no life ( other than on RWD).

[Anotherkiwi]

There was a feminist inspired society in the USSR before there was one in the West. Have you never heard of Alexandra Kollontai?  Russian women obtained the right to vote before their Western counterparts.

I know it's somewhat  , but that is not strictly correct.  New Zealand women gained the right to vote in 1893; Australia followed suit in 1902 after federation, although South Australia and Western Australia had earlier given their own women the right to vote; Finland (even though part of Russia at the time) in 1907; Norway in 1913 and Denmark in 1915.  If you're talking only about the major powers, then I would agree with you (the UK in 1918 [limited to women over 30; extended to all women over 21 in 1928]), Germany in 1918, the USA in 1920 and France in 1944.

[Anotherkiwi]

...China is generally teeming with Chinese.

That's close to your best yet!

 

And you haven't even been there!

[Sting23]

That's close to your best yet!

 

And you haven't even been there!

OMG I missed this gem!

[Sting23]

You don't know that. I picture Trench living in his Mom's basement.....spending his life on a keyboard with no life ( other than on RWD).

That's probably an unfortunate but accurate description.   I told him to go to London and find some dates.  I did finance work there back in the day.  There's so many expats you literally can date the entire world.  I almost did.  French, American, Czech, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Polish, Romanian, German, met girls from all those countries.   Didn't even know about Russian or Slavic girls back then. 

And this was back when we had no social network sites like Facebook etc... iPhones weren't invented yet.  You had to hit the pubs and clubs and actually talk to people normally.

[Maxx2]

You don't know that. I picture Trench living in his Mom's basement.....spending his life on a keyboard with no life ( other than on RWD).

I knew a guy as poor as a church mouse. He lived in a mobile home (trailer) on his parent's farm. I doubt he made $1000 a month in income. He was a tile setter and very slow one at that. I always thought it strange that he did a lot of research on buying a yacht. 

[Sting23]

I knew a guy as poor as a church mouse. He lived in a mobile home (trailer) on his parent's farm. I doubt he made $1000 a month in income. He was a tile setter and very slow one at that. I always thought it strange that he did a lot of research on buying a yacht.

We can all dream I guess...ironic though that he's the only member here with his own thread, yet probably has the least experience with FSU women out of any of us.

A few other posters from the UK just did trips to Russia very recently. I believe one is still there.  These guys were younger than Trench and had less income.  Yet they still did it. 

[Blighty]

I picture Trench living in his Mom's basement.....spending his life on a keyboard with no life ( other than on RWD).

Might be his job ... GCHQ? 77 Brigade?