Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia

[AC]

Sounds like Russian schools will stop teaching English and German, to be replaced by Spanish Tagalog and Chinese.  Chinese men flying to Russia to meet RW.  The future opportunities are immeasurable.   

 

[lordtiberius]

So the answer to my question?

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[alex330]

Most experts say that Russia is going to be invaded by China?  I’d like to read about this from the experts you have taunted.  I still think it is one or two guys trying being silly and mentally masturbating.   

I will leave the taunting of those who believe in  "Yellow peril" up to you. It is a pretty common idea tossed around in think tanks. They even teach it to the University kids. You can start with people like Medvedev, Kissinger, Alex Khramchikhin, Putin, Pankov, Richard Roussseau, etc. Then you have events like Vostok 2010.

China does not formally recognize the Treaty of Aigun, and there were several incidents in the 60's which culminated in preparation for nuclear war. In 2008 Russia returned some of the land in fact due to the skirmishes in the 60's. Will China roll in overnight with tanks and artillery? I doubt it, they will buy resources as that is the easier path for now. Eventually I believe they will regain what was lost probably with a method similar to what we witnessed in Crimea.

[Boethius]

Yeah well at least the sheep would finally be liberated in NZ so we can call that a win.  I think my beard will be 3 miles long before China invades Russia.

Fathertime!

The invasion experts refer to is not a military incursion.  It is the creeping takeover of lands that were part of China by Chinese nationals.


200,000 to 300,000 Chinese move (illegally) to Russia annually.  The Russian Far East is lightly populated (1.4 million), yet is large in territory.  At present rates of illegal immigration, it would not take long for ethnic Chinese to become the majority population in the region.  Russia is worried enough about this that the governor of the region has called for removal of illegal immigrants.  There have been some crackdowns, with Asians being singled out. 

[fathertime]

Will China roll in overnight with tanks and artillery? I doubt it, they will buy resources as that is the easier path for now. Eventually I believe they will regain what was lost probably with a method similar to what we witnessed in Crimea.

In 100 or 200 years who know what the world map will look like, but it is likely to be very different than todays.  We will all be dead within 50-60 years at most.

 I don't see a even a large country bullying a nation like Russia militarily.  Financially a nation China could wide up controlling much of the world at some point.

Fathertime!

[AC]

I will leave the taunting of those who believe in  "Yellow peril" up to you. It is a pretty common idea tossed around in think tanks. They even teach it to the University kids. You can start with people like Medvedev, Kissinger, Alex Khramchikhin, Putin, Pankov, Richard Roussseau, etc. Then you have events like Vostok 2010.

China does not formally recognize the Treaty of Aigun, and there were several incidents in the 60's which culminated in preparation for nuclear war. In 2008 Russia returned some of the land in fact due to the skirmishes in the 60's. Will China roll in overnight with tanks and artillery? I doubt it, they will buy resources as that is the easier path for now. Eventually I believe they will regain what was lost probably with a method similar to what we witnessed in Crimea.

 

[AC]

The invasion experts refer to is not a military incursion.  It is the creeping takeover of lands that were part of China by Chinese nationals.


200,000 to 300,000 Chinese move (illegally) to Russia annually.  The Russian Far East is lightly populated (1.4 million), yet is large in territory.  At present rates of illegal immigration, it would not take long for ethnic Chinese to become the majority population in the region.  Russia is worried enough about this that the governor of the region has called for removal of illegal immigrants.  There have been some crackdowns, with Asians being singled out.

Perhaps the Chinese have been observing how illegal Mexican and other Latin Americans gain a toehold into the USA, and then get legal papers over time.  In the case of the USA neither political party has ever really wanted to do much about it, because the Republicans want the cheap labor and the Democrats want the votes.  The difference in comparing the US problem to the problem in the Russian far east is that the Russians in the far east are vastly outnumbered by the ethnic Chinese; as well China has a very large standing Army.  China does not need to use the military option for perhaps 50 to 100 years; they will slowly purchase all available land and deliberately send as many workers as possible, whether legal or illegal matters not.  China has the advantage in both sheer population numbers and birth-rates, and in economic power as well.

[lordtiberius]

The only way we can avoid a Third World War is for the Russian people to topple Putin.  They put him there.  They can rip him down and should.

[Muzh]

This is what this damn liberal college do to children of good old soviet relics. They make them think.


Good article on the Moscow Times

Historically, wars often occur in the wake of ideological polarization. As Stephen Walt shows in "Revolution and War," the temporary weakness of a revolutionary state encourages its rivals to attack. Moreover, the leaders of old regimes typically fear the spread of revolutionary ideas, especially if the revolutionary state has a threatening ideology.
 
In his research, Akos Lada has shown that such a conflict is particularly likely if two countries share a common cultural — ethnicity, language, religion — identity. If two countries are culturally alike but differ in their political institutions, the more repressive regime will see its neighbor's more liberal ideology as transferable and therefore threatening.

[Shadow]

The invasion experts refer to is not a military incursion.  It is the creeping takeover of lands that were part of China by Chinese nationals.


200,000 to 300,000 Chinese move (illegally) to Russia annually.  The Russian Far East is lightly populated (1.4 million), yet is large in territory.  At present rates of illegal immigration, it would not take long for ethnic Chinese to become the majority population in the region.  Russia is worried enough about this that the governor of the region has called for removal of illegal immigrants.  There have been some crackdowns, with Asians being singled out.

There was a noticeable increase of Asian faces in Moscow. One of the main reasons for Chinese to emigrate is the limitation to a single child per couple.

[fathertime]

The only way we can avoid a Third World War is for the Russian people to topple Putin.  They put him there.  They can rip him down and should.

Assuming Putin remains the leader of Russia and all indications that he will, you seem to be guaranteeing us a world war then.  When is this going to happen?  I agree that it might happen, but I wouldn't guarantee it like you are doing.  I think cooler heads will prevail and concessions (maybe about things we don't even know about) will be made.


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

Yes, you understand me rightly.  I am guaranteeing World War III will happen.  When will WW3 happen some believe it's already happening:

[Anotherkiwi]

Oh dear! Looks like the currency is dropping like a lead balloon.

http://news.yahoo.com/ruble-plunges-sharply-against-euro-dollar-110647010.html

You missed the best part of that article - this one quote should be emblazoned around the world for the Putinistas to read:

"The purchasing power of our ruble is dropping. It means I will rest less, work more and have worse medical care. I don't know what's behind this fall but I very much don't like it."

The whole of the rest of the world knows why the ruble is falling, but an average Muscovite woman doesn't.  The only possible reason is that she doesn't know anything about what is happening in Ukraine, or the resultant sanctions.

I wonder where she gets her news from? 

[Doll]

We know it hurt Russian pride which is more important than money.

It's quite the opposite- Russians win in American contests

[sleepycat]

The whole of the rest of the world knows why the ruble is falling, but an average Muscovite woman doesn't.  The only possible reason is that she doesn't know anything about what is happening in Ukraine, or the resultant sanctions.

You mean the Kremlin regime don't tell the population the nose dive of the currency is caused by the sanctions? What if people start to blame the currency drop on bad economic management by the regime?

[Muzh]

You mean the Kremlin regime don't tell the population the nose dive of the currency is caused by the sanctions? What if people start to blame the currency drop on bad economic management by the regime?

That's what you would call a lose-lose situation. 

[Doll]

You mean the Kremlin regime don't tell the population the nose dive of the currency is caused by the sanctions? What if people start to blame the currency drop on bad economic management by the regime?

They all know the reason

[Doll]

You mean the Kremlin regime don't tell the population the nose dive of the currency is caused by the sanctions? What if people start to blame the currency drop on bad economic management by the regime?

Listen, people there know that this drop is caused by sanctions.
Sanctions are aimed at hurting the economy. They are being done absolutely purposely to harm the  population.

[Boethius]

They are being done absolutely purposely to harm the  population.

I disagree.  They are enacted to change bellicose state policies.  They are to tell a country's leaders "We will not tolerate XYZ."

[GQBlues]

By harming the population. Doll is right.

[Boethius]

They are not "harmed".  Made uncomfortable, perhaps.  But, unlike their government, no country enacting sanctions is sending their military to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.

[GQBlues]

They are not "harmed".  Made uncomfortable, perhaps.  But, unlike their government, no country enacting sanctions is sending their military to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.

True. Not in Ukraine.

But in Syria, Libya, etc...they do.

[Boethius]

True, but how many Ukrainians flew planes into the Twin Towers?  How many Ukrainians have strapped bombs on their bodies and killed civilians? 


How many Ukrainians were killed by Ukrainian forces gassing entire villages?  Or taking all the men from a village and executing them?

[GQBlues]

Ahhh...so you punish the many for the sins of the few.

[LiveFromUkraine]

True, but how many Ukrainians flew planes into the Twin Towers?  How many Ukrainians have strapped bombs on their bodies and killed civilians? 


How many Ukrainians were killed by Ukrainian forces gassing entire villages?  Or taking all the men from a village and executing them?

Bo, are you saying there are good reasons to invade another country?