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Title: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
Ok, so I've had a enough of the talking on here and decided to go for a weekend looking for my piece of chicken in Kiev :) I'm looking to meet between 2-4 women over the course of a weekend, so 1-2 on a Saturday and 1-2 on a Sunday with a Friday fly in and a Monday fly out. So I'll meet a girl in the morning then meet another girl in the evening all being well.

I had been wanting to do a week somewhere in a provincial city but my schedule is a bit pushed at the moment and won't be able to take anything other tha the odd weekend out till towards the end of summer most likely. That would be letting things drift and to be honest I would find it depressing waiting out the whole of Spring and most of Summer without much happening.

Now Kiev has come good for me as there are cheap flights with Wizz Air from Luton and further afield Ryanair flights from Stanstead. The Wizz Air Hostesses look hot :P and the other benefit is the Zhulyany Airport in Kiev is nearer than Borispil so less travelling time, might even save a few bob also ;D

I have one potential girl who I think is willing to meet me already and I reckon I can source a few others and then book up to meet them. I just need to correspond with this (these) girls a little before I go through messaging to get some ground work in. If these girls don't seem up to much on meeting I'll try and have a few girls to call up as a fall back or use another technique. This I think is the best thing for me to do with the time available. I've been to Kiev twice before already and although there is probably still stuff I haven't seen & done I won't be feeling the need to explore the city a lot or be overly touristy which can be a clash of objectives. If I meet a girl and all goes well then I may end up doing a bit of that stuff with her anyway :)

There we have it, I'm quite enthusiatic about this plan as it will make a nice departure from all the heckling on here at least. It looks like it will work out pretty cheap on my pocket, well hopefully, so makes sence for such a short stay. Thing now for me to do is to plan it out so I make best use of the two full days and have back up plans to fall back on. I've been wondering these past few weeks which way to push this search and for me this seems a positive way to do it that potentially packs the most punch in a short space of time and fits in easily with me without costing a lot for too little. So at the moment I'm pretty excited by the prospect of making this happen.

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: ML on March 27, 2019, 11:33:08 AM
Good luck.

And better spell it Kyiv if you are meeting Ukrainian gals.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
Good luck.

And better spell it Kyiv if you are meeting Ukrainian gals.

Thanks ML, I'll just tell her I only learnt a bit of Russian ;D
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: The Natural on March 27, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
I'm sure you mean well and all, but what I read is you do as much as possible in as short a time as possible and as cheeply as possible.
You do what you think you must do man, but what if you meet a prospect? What can you offer her in the way of a life of affluence in the west as she's pretty sure to envision?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
From the translit spelling of Kyiv to his dating techniques Trench never learns ..

I have just flown Wizz and the ladies were Hungarian, very polite - but certainly not 'hot'..  ( I appreciate that this is subjective)

Until Trenchie learns - he will be wasting his time and money and their ( any lady who actually meets him ) time ((

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 01:42:10 PM
I'm sure you mean well and all, but what I read is you do as much as possible in as short a time as possible and as cheeply as possible.
You do what you think you must do man, but what if you meet a prospect? What can you offer her in the way of a life of affluence in the west as she's pretty sure to envision?

Not meaning to cover old turf again. I am looking for a girl who is into me first and foremost. I'm not looking to lead with my wallet. I offer what I guess is an everyday UK lifestyle she'll either be satisfied with that or she won't. If she is not really into me then I guess she may not. The lifestyle I live is decent and not as poor as some have suggested on here.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
From the translit spelling of Kyiv to his dating techniques Trench never learns ..

I have just flown Wizz and the ladies were Hungarian, very polite - but certainly not 'hot'..  ( I appreciate that this is subjective)

Until Trenchie learns - he will be wasting his time and money and their ( any lady who actually meets him ) time ((

I'm sure they still better than the UK offering.

Mobe, end of the day it's all a question of coming across where there is chemistry. I can offer the girl a decent life in the UK, so my chances are reasonable enough. Sure there will girls who want a rich guy, they'll just have to be satisfied or move on, I've not got a problem with that.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on March 27, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
That sounds good Trench, nice plan. Don't write them too much time before the flight.

Trench you wrote i want "a girl into me".

May you tell me, technically, how are goind to find out how she is into you (signs IOI)?


Other thing Trench, i was out of RWD two years and when i came back i saw that you wrote 3500 posts in a compressed time. Are you sure this time would be not used more efficiently? I mean personal development, sport, culture, learning russian whatever?


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
That sounds good Trench, nice plan. Don't write them too much time before the flight.

Trench you wrote i want "a girl into me".

May you tell me, technically, how are goind to find out how she is into you (signs IOI)?


Other thing Trench, i was out of RWD two years and when i came back i saw that you wrote 3500 posts in a compressed time. Are you sure this time would be not used more efficiently? I mean personal development, sport, culture, learning russian whatever?

You're right Pat, fortunately my job allows me to  do messages here and there in between my work without any problem to my job. I have both been learning (basic) Russian and squeezing in gym sessions wherever I can I currently go for approx 1 hour three times a week. I know that both can be useful and make it easier with finding a girl. That's stuff I wish I knew and got onti sooner but now is still ok. So I've progress a reasonable amount with both but still need to keep at it and let the time and effort take affect to give a better improvement in both.

With a girl it's just a case of seeing her reactions to me, gaging her interest, her intent and that quick flirty eye contact. Anything else and I'll be going on yellow alert.

Good point in you mentioning not writing too long before I fly or they will want to spend the whole weekend with me each, yeah I was thinking of that one earlier also, lol. Strange that  they work like that.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2019, 02:36:45 PM
I'm sure they still better than the UK offering.

Mobe, end of the day it's all a question of coming across where there is chemistry. I can offer the girl a decent life in the UK, so my chances are reasonable enough. Sure there will girls who want a rich guy, they'll just have to be satisfied or move on, I've not got a problem with that.

You keep referring to 'Chemistry'

This passion thing can and WILL wear off when she finds out you are a misogynist ..  You have a track record

Until you deal with YOUR issues - you will not see that you can't pull ANYWHERE


The UK has plenty of hot lasses - they just see through you quicker - given the common language




Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: The Natural on March 27, 2019, 02:55:05 PM
Whjuat the fuick!!!

I wrote a Whole bunch and it's all ....gone...what is happening With this site?
You have to Write and then copy and paste and save it somewhere?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on March 27, 2019, 02:56:53 PM
Good luck.

And better spell it Kyiv if you are meeting Ukrainian gals.




And what is your recent experiences been with girls ???


I normally use Kiev, or Kharkov or Odessa and have never been corrected by any girl. Now some foreign person who is in love with Ukraine might try to correct me. If there is a girl who I know uses the Ukrainian spelling I would try to remember to do the same.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2019, 03:16:46 PM


And what is your recent experiences been with girls ???


I normally use Kiev, or Kharkov or Odessa and have never been corrected by any girl. Now some foreign person who is in love with Ukraine might try to correct me. If there is a girl who I know uses the Ukrainian spelling I would try to remember to do the same.


Mine was recent enough to know how to exit Borispil arrivals and find the bus to the centre ... unlike your 'advice' ...

I was corrected for saying Spasibo - but VERY diplomatically, 'DYAH-koo-yoo' by a lady in a shop... in 'Kyiv'

Yours and my govt's Embassy's spell it 'Kyiv'

So, it seems we have different experiences ...  but only one of us is being stubborn is the face of what most Ukrainians see / expect

But they tolerate westerners who don't understand / realise - for most it isn't a big deal .... but you might like to try ...


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on March 27, 2019, 03:27:44 PM

Mine was recent enough to know how to exit Borispil arrivals and find the bus to the centre ... unlike your 'advice' ...

I was corrected for saying Spasibo - but VERY diplomatically, 'DYAH-koo-yoo' by a lady in a shop... in 'Kyiv'

Yours and my govt's Embassy's spell it 'Kyiv'

So, it seems we have different experiences ...  but only one of us is being stubborn is the face of what most Ukrainians see / expect

But they tolerate westerners who don't understand / realise - for most it isn't a big deal .... but you might like to try ...
There is new dedicated train since the end of 2018 to reach the city center from Boryspol. I think it's every hour. The bus is also not so bad;
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on March 27, 2019, 03:29:13 PM

Mine was recent enough to know how to exit Borispil arrivals and find the bus to the centre ... unlike your 'advice' ...

I was corrected for saying Spasibo - but VERY diplomatically, 'DYAH-koo-yoo' by a lady in a shop... in 'Kyiv'

Yours and my govt's Embassy's spell it 'Kyiv'

So, it seems we have different experiences ...  but only one of us is being stubborn is the face of what most Ukrainians see / expect

But they tolerate westerners who don't understand / realise - for most it isn't a big deal .... but you might like to try ...


I've spent a lot more time in Ukraine than you.
For some it is important to use Ukrainian spelling I understand that but very few times does a girl really care, especially if SHE is one to write using Russian spelling. How many times have you dated in Ukraine?


Wow, finding the bus to centre??? You could actually run right into it without even knowing...it is right on street as you leave outside arrivals hall. Now if you took the train, I would be more impressed.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on March 27, 2019, 03:33:15 PM
You're right Pat, fortunately my job allows me to  do messages here and there in between my work without any problem to my job. I have both been learning (basic) Russian and squeezing in gym sessions wherever I can I currently go for approx 1 hour three times a week. I know that both can be useful and make it easier with finding a girl. That's stuff I wish I knew and got onti sooner but now is still ok. So I've progress a reasonable amount with both but still need to keep at it and let the time and effort take affect to give a better improvement in both.

With a girl it's just a case of seeing her reactions to me, gaging her interest, her intent and that quick flirty eye contact. Anything else and I'll be going on yellow alert.

Good point in you mentioning not writing too long before I fly or they will want to spend the whole weekend with me each, yeah I was thinking of that one earlier also, lol. Strange that  they work like that.
Trench, i was very accurate in my question, and your answer don't give me satisfaction.So let me remind you : IOI indicator of interest.
See my trip "operation white panther page, in the beginning", there is an example of a date with many IOI.
read it to understand.

So the question, more accurately : WHICH REACTIONS? flirty eye contact what is it exactly (we do some science here Trench, we don't buy a slice of ham among one fifthy at the supermarket.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on March 27, 2019, 03:34:44 PM

I've spent a lot more time in Ukraine than you.
For some it is important to use Ukrainian spelling I understand that but very few times does a girl really care, especially if SHE is one to write using Russian spelling. How many times have you dated in Ukraine?


Wow, finding the bus to centre??? You could actually run right into it without even knowing...it is right on street as you leave outside arrivals hall. Now if you took the train, I would be more impressed.
You also can use the non official taxi for twice less at least, they are the end of the terminal, on a parking.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 03:34:49 PM

Mine was recent enough to know how to exit Borispil arrivals and find the bus to the centre ... unlike your 'advice' ...

I was corrected for saying Spasibo - but VERY diplomatically, 'DYAH-koo-yoo' by a lady in a shop... in 'Kyiv'

Yours and my govt's Embassy's spell it 'Kyiv'

So, it seems we have different experiences ...  but only one of us is being stubborn is the face of what most Ukrainians see / expect

But they tolerate westerners who don't understand / realise - for most it isn't a big deal .... but you might like to try ...

Can depend on the girl, there are Ukrainian-Ukrainian girls then there are Ukrainian-Russian girls usually by ancestral decent or change over time. Ukrainian-Russian girls will most likely prefer to hear Russian and be comfortable with it. As you no doubt know most Ukrainian-Ukrainian people are in the west of Ukraine and most Ukrainian-Russian are in the east and of course either can be found anywhere in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government we hear is trying to Ukrainify Ukraine by moving to the Ukrainian language, independence for Ukrainian Orthodox church from the Russian Orthodox Church, etc. End of the day though there is still enough go in the Russian language in Ukraine to use it. If the girl had a real grip with it and it was getting into a LTR situation but end of the day I don't have the time to learn lots of separate languages nor find learning material from which to learn Ukrainian language not in comparison to the far greater amount of Russian language learning stuff out there.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
You also can use the non official taxi for twice less at least, they are the end of the terminal, on a parking.

Believe they have a train these days or Uber type of apps even. Wonderful not to have to use all those taxi buggers anymore, official ones included.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2019, 03:47:15 PM
Can depend on the girl, there are Ukrainian-Ukrainian girls then there are Ukrainian-Russian girls usually by ancestral decent or change over time. Ukrainian-Russian girls will most likely prefer to hear Russian and be comfortable with it. As you no doubt know most Ukrainian-Ukrainian people are in the west of Ukraine and most Ukrainian-Russian are in the east and of course either can be found anywhere in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government we hear is trying to Ukrainify Ukraine by moving to the Ukrainian language, independence for Ukrainian Orthodox church from the Russian Orthodox Church, etc. End of the day though there is still enough go in the Russian language in Ukraine to use it. If the girl had a real grip with it and it was getting into a LTR situation but end of the day I don't have the time to learn lots of separate languages nor find learning material from which to learn Ukrainian language not in comparison to the far greater amount of Russian language learning stuff out there.

You learn nothing, Trench

You are going to Kyiv - not Donbas

Ukrainian has been taught as the primary lingo for 20 years in most places and it is THE official nation's lingo..

The military take-over  of Crimea and Kremlin away games in Donbas have polarised families and I have experience of going to Ukraine and watching the gradual preference to Ukrainian over the 15+ years I've been going .. In the early noughties - after the Orange Revolution I wanted many RU speakers rush to learn Ukrainian - as they knew it would be important or it became a badge of identity ..



There is no stigma away from Donbas to speaking either lingo - but IF you are going to write the name of the capital city in it's English translit format - why would you ignore how your nations spells it ?



 




Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2019, 03:52:55 PM
You learn nothing, Trench

You are going to Kyiv - not Donbas

Ukrainian has been taught as the primary lingo for 20 years in most places and it is THE official nation's lingo..

The military take-over  of Crimea and Kremlin away games in Donbas have polarised families and I have experience of going to Ukraine and watching the gradual preference to Ukrainian over the 15+ years I've been going .. In the early noughties - after the Orange Revolution I wanted many RU speakers rush to learn Ukrainian - as they knew it would be important or it became a badge of identity ..



There is no stigma away from Donbas to speaking either lingo - but IF you are going to write the name of the capital city in it's English translit format - why would you ignore how your nations spells it ?

I'm not going to argue with you all night on the language. The main point is that most Ukrainians will know Russian also. Seeing I have only a basic grasp of Russian I not so far in it would be wasting a lot to learn Ukrainian if it became a bug bear of a girl. Seeing as most girls need to learn English to a good level it's not the most pressing issue.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on March 27, 2019, 03:55:02 PM

Mine was recent enough to know how to exit Borispil arrivals and find the bus to the centre ... unlike your 'advice' ...

I was corrected for saying Spasibo - but VERY diplomatically, 'DYAH-koo-yoo' by a lady in a shop... in 'Kyiv'



Since you want to be 'PC', why don't you use the Ukrainian transliteration for the airport 'BORYSPIL' instead of your combination of Russian/Ukrainian spelling.... Borispil.


Unless someone here with better knowledge of spelling than me, you are welcome to correct me.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on March 27, 2019, 03:56:52 PM
You also can use the non official taxi for twice less at least, they are the end of the terminal, on a parking.

If using taxi, best is use app company, either Uber or uklon. Unfortunately you need go upstairs to meet taxi ride.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2019, 03:57:15 PM
moby wasn't referring to you learning a language.  He was referring to your wildly inaccurate statement on the number of Russians in Ukraine.

Currently, 88% of those in Ukraine identify as ethnically Ukrainian, about 8% as Russian.  Ukrainians have always been the majority population in every region of Ukraine, but for Donbas and the Crimea.  With the former now deciding it is "independent", and the latter invaded by Russia and annexed, the majority of the population in Ukraine, in every region, is ethnically Ukrainian, and identify as such.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on March 27, 2019, 04:59:14 PM
Whjuat the fuick!!!

I wrote a Whole bunch and it's all ....gone...what is happening With this site?
You have to Write and then copy and paste and save it somewhere?

Try writing when you are sober :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 27, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
Since you want to be 'PC', why don't you use the Ukrainian transliteration for the airport 'BORYSPIL' instead of your combination of Russian/Ukrainian spelling.... Borispil.


Unless someone here with better knowledge of spelling than me, you are welcome to correct me.

Well, now ..

Міжнародний аеропорт "Бориспіль"

I stand corrected  - as the "и" is  y in UA translit







Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2019, 02:59:46 AM

Now Kiev has come good for me as there are cheap flights with Wizz Air from Luton and further afield Ryanair flights from Stanstead. The Wizz Air Hostesses look hot :P and the other benefit is the Zhulyany Airport in Kiev is nearer than Borispil so less travelling time, might even save a few bob also ;D
.
Nice of ya'll to explain how to get from Borispil   !!

Did any of you actually read what he actually wrote?

For all of you so knowledgeable  why not try that one !! From Zhuliany  to Kyiv.

Me -- I will organise a car   to collect him if he asks me !!  :devilish:


So I am guessing he has got the GBP 13.99  (  USD 18)    return flight !!   
  You can see the tightwads thinking here ! He has obviously been saving up for this trip !!

KYIV - ZHULYANY
 LONDON LUTON
5 April 2019, Friday
Departure times:
14:10
From ‎​£​13.99

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 28, 2019, 04:37:38 AM
Nice of ya'll to explain how to get from Borispil   !!

Did any of you actually read what he actually wrote?

OMG

JayH has arrived to 'save' us from ourselves...

If you paid attention..before jumping in and making the usual spectacle of yourself.. you would have realised I was questioning how LAman could have been recently as he is STILL giving out the wrong advive on how to get a bus to the centre of Kyiv from.....Boryspil

If Trench has got the flight for the equiv of x.16 USD and managed not to take a suitcase... he is still ahead of the keyboard crazies who do not try...reality..

Trench.. as always give us your tips on how to 'do it right'))

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on March 28, 2019, 02:13:06 PM


Wow, finding the bus to centre??? You could actually run right into it without even knowing...it is right on street as you leave outside arrivals hall. Now if you took the train, I would be more impressed.


OMG

JayH has arrived to 'save' us from ourselves...

If you paid attention..before jumping in and making the usual spectacle of yourself.. you would have realised I was questioning how LAman could have been recently as he is STILL giving out the wrong advive on how to get a bus to the centre of Kyiv from.....Boryspil

If Trench has got the flight for the equiv of x.16 USD and managed not to take a suitcase... he is still ahead of the keyboard crazies who do not try...reality..

Trench.. as always give us your tips on how to 'do it right'))





Geez Moby  -- how stupid are you? Really -- once again your jealousy is directed at anyone  who knows more than you on any given topic  -- you attempt to bash LAman over something where it is clearcut your comment is just plain wrong.
Now if you are being so pedantic over the use of "right on" -- he actually means "right there on the street" --yes -he does know you turn left by 30 metres  .

Of note -- you make zero attempt to address the point I made -- so -- have you ever been to Zhuliany? Not that anything you say can be believed   -- your lying is a matter of record.You have history of not "getting" what others say unless it is spelt out .

Note2 -- Moby diverting another thread to be about him ! :cluebat:

Note3  Just shut up Moby
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: rwd123 on March 29, 2019, 08:31:05 AM
Trenchcoat, if you are dating a girl with a child (or children) and you're not a complete tight wad then I'd recommend a restaurant by the Dnipr called Veranda. It's a classy place and they have a children's room upstairs (Naberezhne Hwy, 11а). Not to be confused with La Veranda which is in the center. There are other nice places I could mention but probably out of your price range. If you want to "treat" a lady to a buffet I like the one on the corner opposite Bessarabsky Market, though I don't remember the name. It's cheap but just say you wanted to try local cuisine.  :P

This company can provide inexpensive apartments but almost no staff speak English. http://rent365.net/

And be sure to get a local SIM card at the airport. If you're only there for a weekend then anything will be adequate.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 30, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
Trenchcoat, if you are dating a girl with a child (or children) and you're not a complete tight wad then I'd recommend a restaurant by the Dnipr called Veranda. It's a classy place and they have a children's room upstairs (Naberezhne Hwy, 11а). Not to be confused with La Veranda which is in the center. There are other nice places I could mention but probably out of your price range. If you want to "treat" a lady to a buffet I like the one on the corner opposite Bessarabsky Market, though I don't remember the name. It's cheap but just say you wanted to try local cuisine.  :P

This company can provide inexpensive apartments but almost no staff speak English. http://rent365.net/

And be sure to get a local SIM card at the airport. If you're only there for a weekend then anything will be adequate.

Thanks RWD, nah I'm not counting on applying to those with kids as it were. Appreciate the link nks to the restaurants though as not been in them yet so may come in handy. Generally just looking at meet ups so a reasonable but bog standard affair will do me. I'll use the same technique as before by asking out for just a drink then following on with food if she looks like she has potential, if not then I've only stated  drinks and that can be that pretty much.

I'm going to go the hotel route for this as less hassle and it's only for a few days. I really want a safe in my room as I don't trust people out there much, only takes a meeting with the wrong type and problems can arise. Apartments can be nice but I've done the apartment shenanigans before and with little English speaking crowd is probably asking for trouble.

The phone sim I agree with you is a good idea if only for a few days, it can be useful and reduce vulnerability a lot. I'll take my cheap dual sim travel phone to keep my risks low.

Other than that it turns out from what I said earlier that I might have to go Ryanair from Stansted as Wizz seem random on the Monday fly backs which is a pain as travel wise they are more convenient. That will mean a flight to Borispil, not as convenient but we'll see how it goes. Ryanair can be pretty cheap also so I'll wait and see what the best deal is that comes up.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on March 30, 2019, 03:23:50 PM



Geez Moby  -- how stupid are you? Really -- once again your jealousy is directed at anyone  who knows more than you on any given topic  -- you attempt to bash LAman over something where it is clearcut your comment is just plain wrong.

Once again , JayH is 'jumping in' and failing to note I was being ironic about LAman's 'advice' on how to catch a bus to the centre from KBP



Of note -- you make zero attempt to address the point I made

It was and is irrelevant - all you do is tell folks they've not been where they've been and 'get in the way' when the wrong advice is being given ..



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 01, 2019, 02:13:30 PM
Cleaning some older notes off my mobile I found I went to Zhulyany with bus 78, we came back with a trolley bus. In fact we visited the aviation museum next door. The museum is worth a visit during decent weather, especially with a child aged 5 -14 years old.

I have used the airport a number of times, once the old 'Soviet' terminal. The new terminal is both soulless and rather crowed. The usage has surpassed the expectations. The airport also has a new name I. Sikorsky-Zhulany.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 03:49:31 PM
Well it's done, just pulled the trigger on flights from Stansted with Ryanair for a few days in Kiev in May for there & back for just £40! :D

I'm happy to travel light as just in Kiev a few days so will just take myself and my travel bag. That should work well for me as less stuff to lose. I have my eye on a reasonably priced hotel near Shevchenko Uni/Park. I may possibly have one girl who may come to see me but to be honest this trip is really about giving Krimster's method a crack. I'm going to pass on trying to mobilize the girls through the dating sites for this one as it's getting a bit of a chore anyway. I'm aiming to make this a cheap trip so it won't matter too much if it falls flat, hopefully though it won't. I couldn't get anything to tie up with dates and flight costs till June which was longer than I wanted to wait to try and get some action in. With a bit of luck the weather will be good and I'll have a good time :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 04:08:04 PM
that's amazing!!!
what an incredible price, what a deal!!!!!

amazing that you're doing this, BRAVO, bravo
remember to have food in the apartment
I hope you can cook something nice????

do you know how to mix a good martini?
have these ingredients as well

you want to get them to talk to you
so you'd better have something interesting to say
you "seal the deal" by bring them to your nearby apartment

cool...
when do you leave?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
that's amazing!!!
what an incredible price, what a deal!!!!!

amazing that you're doing this, BRAVO, bravo
remember to have food in the apartment
I hope you can cook something nice????

do you know how to mix a good martini?
have these ingredients as well

you want to get them to talk to you
so you'd better have something interesting to say
you "seal the deal" by bring them to your nearby apartment

cool...
when do you leave?

Thanks Krim, yeah the first FSW I met there ordered a Martini so it's probably a good drink to have around, I'll get some there. I'll be there in May so a good few weeks yet. I'll go for a hotel as I want a place with a safe as too much bs can go down out there. If I have to slip a few quid for a guest fee then I'll just do that. I appreciate your words Krim I feel better now that I have this booked in :)

Oh, plus cooking isn't my strong suit.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 09, 2019, 04:22:16 PM
that's amazing!!!
what an incredible price, what a deal!!!!!

amazing that you're doing this, BRAVO, bravo
remember to have food in the apartment
I hope you can cook something nice????

do you know how to mix a good martini?
have these ingredients as well

you want to get them to talk to you
so you'd better have something interesting to say
you "seal the deal" by bring them to your nearby apartment

cool...
when do you leave?


Apparently you missed the part about "hotel' ????
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
Must add though I'm pretty chuffed with getting the price of the flight so cheap :D Like you say Krim an incredible price really, return train fares from where I live on the south coast can easily cost more than that so averages out to £20 each way, I refused all the extras ;) Hopefully I can do the whole lot with airport parking, hotel for a few nights, travel to airports for just under £300 then put any expenses while over there on my credit card that has a zero percent commission on transactions so say £50 or so for that. Got a few ghrivna notes from before but will add if it looks needed anywhere mostly though I prefer to keep to card more these days, much safer than cash going astray.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 05:02:22 PM
i'm not an expert on cheap travel but I don't think hotels will be the best bang for the pound
it's been a while since I bought a suite at the Dnipro but I paid like $350+ per night for one of the top floor suites
pretty sure you can get a good apartment for under $50 day nearby, but everything is seasonal not sure when things fluctuate - google
shop for your food at gastanome = not restaurants and you could pull off a week trip for 500 pounds for everything

the public spectacle of a nicely dressed foreign guy painting is irresistible to all Ukrainian women
but you really have to act like you're paying them no attention, while you are intently doing so
you will notice them alter their walking trajectory to see your painting
you'll see some slow down
some stop
if you make eye contact with the ones who stop 100% they will try to speak English to you
so be prepared - you literally have 10 seconds to make a good first impression
if they're REALLY pretty ask to sketch them, this is what I'd always do followed by lunch followed by dinner and the kyiv opera and drinks after before back to my apartment
if you don't get at least 3 women up to your apartment during this period, then you're Bee Farmer
what you do after they get there is up to you

"Oh, plus cooking isn't my strong suit."

mine either, Sicilian girl friend made Sicilian deep dish pizza
watched her doing it, memorized it
literally only thing I know how to cook that's not an omelette
try learning something on Youtube and practice before you go
but from my own experience
you want to share the intimacy that cooking provides (while stretching your budget)

you do need a story for why you're in Kyiv
my suggestion (since you can't pull off the old "looking for lost family" routine)
is that you had a girl friend in Kyiv and she just dumped you because of her ex-boy friend
and you still have time before you return to London (don't mention that you then go on to a little village after London, shhhh...)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
i'm not an expert on cheap travel but I don't think hotels will be the best bang for the sterling
it's been a while since I bought a suite at the Dnipro but I paid like $350+ per night for one of the top floor suites
pretty sure you can get a good apartment for under $50 day nearby, but everything is seasonal not sure when things fluctuate
shop for your food at gastanome = not restaurants and you could pull off a week trip for 500 pounds for everything

if you don't get at least 3 women up to your apartment during this period, then you're Bee Farmer
what you do after they get there is up to you

"Oh, plus cooking isn't my strong suit."

mine either, Sicilian girl friend made Sicilian deep dish pizza
watched her doing it, memorized it
literally only thing I know how to cook that's not an omelette
try learning something on Youtube and practice before you go
but from my own experience
you want to share the intimacy that cooking provides (while stretching your budget)

Intimacy of cooking, well I see your point it may do in some cases. When in apartment with Kherson girl it kind of did a little but not being something I excell at probably took away from it a bit.

I think it's something I'll pass over on this time, if a girl has natural chemistry with me then keeping a bottle of martini on hand in a hotel room should do. I'm not going after a suite just a standard room, nicely done with a double bed. I prefer double bed to queen beds as it means your right up against each other ;D
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
those beds are EXTREMELY uncomfortable
if you get her to your room/apartment
you're getting her the rest of the way, get the queen MUCH more comfortable
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 05:49:34 PM
those beds are EXTREMELY uncomfortable
if you get her to your room/apartment
you're getting her the rest of the way, get the queen MUCH more comfortable

Well I'll see how it goes and adjust for next time. I've got a few ideas to run with like you suggested in terms of seeing if the women will come to me. Hopefully I won't be turning into a Bee Farmer ;D I'm not exactly confident but willing to give it a shot. It's a fairly nice place to be around there in that part of the city so should be pleasant enough for me :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 09, 2019, 05:50:55 PM
A martini is a cocktail. You can’t buy a bottle of martini.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 09, 2019, 05:58:18 PM
I assume Trench Coat means the aperitif Martini Rossi. A sweet girls drink.

I guess RWD can look forward this summer to TC tales of misadventure in Kivy.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
I assume Trench Coat means the aperitif Martini Rossi.

RWD can look forward this summer to TC tales of misadventure in Kivy.


I go extra dry ;) This year... watch Trenchy's Kivy adventures in full hd :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
"I'm not exactly confident "

and this is your problem
I don't know what it'll take for you to get your "hunter spirit" but you need to...
hunting is all part of the fun of the sport
not just bagging a trophy
but the more you hunt
the more chance you have
of getting "some meat"
and the more you hunt
the better you get at it
just the thought of trying to snag some of that
just thinking that well tomorrow might be my lucky day
should get you through the cold lonely night in ole blighty me bruv
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 09, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
I go extra dry ;) This year... watch Trenchy's Kivy adventures in full hd :)

 
Will it show the 'wimmen' running away from the camera.... as they go out of view??? )))
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 06:20:50 PM
"I'm not exactly confident "

and this is your problem
I don't know what it'll take for you to get your "hunter spirit" but you need to...
hunting is all part of the fun of the sport
not just bagging a trophy
but the more you hunt
the more chance you have
of getting "some meat"
and the more you hunt
the better you get at it
just the thought of trying to snag some of that
just thinking that well tomorrow might be my lucky day
should get you through the cold lonely night in ole blighty me bruv

I know, it's far more nicer chasing girls in the FSU. They are like girls used to be in this country decades ago. Instead of the attitudes and awkwardness of today's women in the west these women are an actual joy to interact with. I'm hoping that my mindset adjusts quite quickly and ignores my western woman culture experience. I'm hopeful it will and would rather give this a go as confidently as I can be on the day than bang away on internet dating sites for years in end. Not saying I will have it picked this time around but if I have some positive experiences then that will be a good thing also.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 06:54:10 PM
you always do better abroad than you do in your home market
big supply of guys like you (whoever you are) in your home market
not so many abroad...
supply and demand
demand in Ukraine is also much higher
very limited supply of men in some demographics
if I were you Trench, don't go for the real young ones
try around 35...
if you think you could be a step parent, then piece of cake for you to find a single mom 28-35 in Ukraine
but that might be more than you can handle
you should think about it though
i've been a surrogate dad to a few kids before I got married
I genuinely like raising children
i am going to really miss my own when they leave for university
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
you always do better abroad than you do in your home market
big supply of guys like you (whoever you are) in your home market
not so many abroad...
supply and demand
demand in Ukraine is also much higher
very limited supply of men in some demographics
if I were you Trench, don't go for the real young ones
try around 35...
if you think you could be a step parent, then piece of cake for you to find a single mom 28-35 in Ukraine
but that might be more than you can handle
you should think about it though
i've been a surrogate dad to a few kids before I got married
I genuinely like raising children
i am going to really miss my own when they leave for university

Yeah, I'm looking for a girl around her early to mid thirties direction. I think that is the age it would be easiest if she was to come to the UK. Difficult to say as all sorts could come up so I'll have to just go with the flow. I like spending time with my niece's & nephew and a woman with a child I could handle if the chemistry was unquestionably there. It's not the most ideal situation necessarily as it can add implications. I'll just see what comes and hopefully have an enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 09, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
Trench, what site are you using to find your hotel?

I like staying near Teatralna metro, quite a few apts within couple minutes walk.


There are two places next to railway station that are pretty good( 1 hotel, 1 apt) if one needs to be near train station for early flight or early train.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 08:49:49 PM
Trench, what site are you using to find your hotel?

I like staying near Teatralna metro, quite a few apts within couple minutes walk.


There are two places next to railway station that are pretty good( 1 hotel, 1 apt) if one needs to be near train station for early flight or early train.

I'm using ebookers. It's going to be about £150 for 4 nights so not too bad, decent enough looking hotel and rooms with a double bed. It should be within walking distance of the main train station so not too bad. I'll just have my small travel bag with me so walk from and too train station not too bad by the looks of it. Flight will get me to Boryspil about midday and leaves about midday on the return also. Handy times as gives me time to get to and from the hotel in good daylight hours.

I noticed there is an Ibis next to the train station, they seem to get everywhere these days. To be honest though I don't want a hotel too close to the station, possibly noise and scenery issues (though never actually been to the main station yet). So I kind of want one reasonable near Shevchenko Park to try my luck there so short walk times to the park. Also handy as a fair amount of restaurants around there and fairly near sights of touristy area & shopping centre.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 09, 2019, 09:30:02 PM

I noticed there is an Ibis next to the train station, they seem to get everywhere these days. To be honest though I don't want a hotel too close to the station, possibly noise and scenery issues (though never actually been to the main station yet). So I kind of want one reasonable near Shevchenko Park to try my luck there so short walk times to the park. Also handy as a fair amount of restaurants around there and fairly near sights of touristy area & shopping centre.


Yea it is Ibis next to train station but it is on the back side where Skybus pickup/drop off. It is literally 100 ft away. If you stay near Shevchenko, it is quite a walk from train station and it is uphill, probably best to take metro to Universitet from Vokzalna.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 09, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
It will be interesting to see how you go trench. Approaching women in the street takes some guts and probably what Krim has.... bravado.

It’s easy to to chat with a woman as a friend, but taking that friendly chat to another level, building attraction and rapport, showing her you’re interested in her romantically without looking creepy, is another thing entirely.

As Pat said, you need to pick up on indicators of interest and also give her some yourself, this takes practice for those without natural ability with women.

Online you can do this in the comfort and safety of your home, knowing she’s already interested enough to want to chat with you.  On the street, be prepared to face more rejection than success, in my experience..... maybe the fsu is a little different as you have the foreign factor.

You seem to be perpetually stuck on the first step.... Good luck 🙂

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 09, 2019, 10:54:36 PM
I assume Trench Coat means the aperitif Martini Rossi. A sweet girls drink.


That is vermouth, I believe.  It's not a martini, though it is a component of a martini.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 11:38:54 PM

That is vermouth, I believe.  It's not a martini, though it is a component of a martini.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Name on the bottle says it is Martini, in the UK you can't market something that is not true. It can can be mixed further, I'll have a few mixing type of stuff to add to interest :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 09, 2019, 11:54:04 PM

Yea it is Ibis next to train station but it is on the back side where Skybus pickup/drop off. It is literally 100 ft away. If you stay near Shevchenko, it is quite a walk from train station and it is uphill, probably best to take metro to Universitet from Vokzalna.

Your suggestion of the tube maybe a good one, though I like to fill in the areas of the city I'm not familiar with so I know more of my way around the city. Probably less necessary with Google maps these days but still nice to be aware off I think.

I think you're suggestion of hotel is less so, like a lot of Ibis hotels it doesn't really give off a classy romantic ambiance that would be handy for this task. Think about taking a girl back to such a hotel, if it's from Shevchenko it's a bit of a walk or a tube ride then it's not a great look to her from the outside, the external of the building is not pretty then there is all the vehicles, coaches and mess outside. Better I think to have a short initial journey to a nice area and the scenery all to hand ;)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 09, 2019, 11:58:41 PM
Name on the bottle says it is Martini, in the UK you can't market something that is not true.


It is called Martini & Rossi after the founders of the company, Messrs. Martini and Rossi.  It's not named after the cocktail. :rolleyes:   


This post was composed without the aid of google.


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on April 10, 2019, 12:41:32 AM
It will be interesting to see how you go trench. Approaching women in the street takes some guts and probably what Krim has.... bravado.

It’s easy to to chat with a woman as a friend, but taking that friendly chat to another level, building attraction and rapport, showing her you’re interested in her romantically without looking creepy, is another thing entirely.

As Pat said, you need to pick up on indicators of interest and also give her some yourself, this takes practice for those without natural ability with women.

Online you can do this in the comfort and safety of your home, knowing she’s already interested enough to want to chat with you.  On the street, be prepared to face more rejection than success, in my experience..... maybe the fsu is a little different as you have the foreign factor.

You seem to be perpetually stuck on the first step.... Good luck 🙂
Warning :Today PUA schools, international and local are practicing in a lot of capitals all around the world.
International are the main stream with historical PUA and their affiliates or private coaches and they are from the US. You have also one good (exceptionnaly she is a lady) in UK.
Local are the local guys who try to copy the international one and probably know better the city and the culture (and of course the language). Be careful they are perhaps not skilled as what they tell you.
So Kiev starts to be on the calendar and you will see time to time some instructors and their students hitting some girls in what is called street game.
This one is the most difficult and i suppose that Kreychatik is the first target in their agenda but also some crowdy places (i  will choose underground tunnels of the subway around Maidan or the biggest stations if i were you Trench).
You have also a lot of turkeys of other weirdos who are present around and even if a lot of them will finish with some pros they can mess your game because it raises girls' shield at the end
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 01:14:31 AM
Warning :Today PUA schools, international and local are practicing in a lot of capitals all around the world.
International are the main stream with historical PUA and their affiliates or private coaches and they are from the US. You have also one good (exceptionnaly she is a lady) in UK.
Local are the local guys who try to copy the international one and probably know better the city and the culture (and of course the language). Be careful they are perhaps not skilled as what they tell you.
So Kiev starts to be on the calendar and you will see time to time some instructors and their students hitting some girls in what is called street game.
This one is the most difficult and i suppose that Kreychatik is the first target in their agenda but also some crowdy places (i  will choose underground tunnels of the subway around Maidan or the biggest stations if i were you Trench).
You have also a lot of turkeys of other weirdos who are present around and even if a lot of them will finish with some pros they can mess your game because it raises girls' shield at the end

Apprieciate the thought Pat, don't worry its not traditional PUA stuff I'm out to do, not at first at least. I'm just going to have to test the water and try various stuff if I'm not getting any girls up. I think its true there are guys that travel to these places like Kiev and the big main touristy cities of the FSU to do the PUA stuff even the more far flung stuff just for sex tourism. Its a real pain as those giys can get in the way and mess stuff up. I think though that in general they are not numerous enough on the grand scale of things to make a significant difference. If you think they will be there probably just about 10-15 minutes or so on average in a spot before moving on. That in the life of the odd few girls passing by is not a great deal of impact in a society where guys picking up girls is the norm. You are right though on trying other places if it seems to be not going well in one area. I'll make a list of different alternative stuff I can do to try and drum up a girl before I go so I''ll have a few back up ideas already just in case.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on April 10, 2019, 02:11:49 AM
Ya'all are being far to nice to the social misfit!
If he attempts to implement this strategy  -- he will get arrested !!!

And/or the sh.. beaten out of him ! :cluebat:


Trench, what site are you using to find your hotel?

Make sure you read his hotel reviews --  he can tell you how amazing  the hotel was in such a poor country full of girls as poor as church mice  ! That is the TC style on Trip advisor ( or similar) ahh such expertise to rely on !!!  :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 04:16:29 AM
Ya'all are being far to nice to the social misfit!
If he attempts to implement this strategy  -- he will get arrested !!!

And/or the sh.. beaten out of him ! :cluebat:


Make sure you read his hotel reviews --  he can tell you how amazing  the hotel was in such a poor country full of girls as poor as church mice  ! That is the TC style on Trip advisor ( or similar) ahh such expertise to rely on !!!  :deadhorse:

Yes I know, approaching women in the dark underground may come across a bit creepy so not necessarily the best place.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 10, 2019, 05:43:20 AM
"If he attempts to implement this strategy  -- he will get arrested !!!

s'more down under thunder eh jay
WHO ever got arrested in Ukraine for doing that, y'know who?
nobody...
you're hunting in a territory that has minimal "game management"

you guys are all so conditioned to act like the rest of the herd
going rogue is so in vogue...


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Nightwish on April 10, 2019, 07:00:03 AM
Well it's done, just pulled the trigger on flights from Stansted with Ryanair for a few days in Kiev in May for there & back for just £40! :D

I'm happy to travel light as just in Kiev a few days so will just take myself and my travel bag. That should work well for me as less stuff to lose. I have my eye on a reasonably priced hotel near Shevchenko Uni/Park. I may possibly have one girl who may come to see me but to be honest this trip is really about giving Krimster's method a crack. I'm going to pass on trying to mobilize the girls through the dating sites for this one as it's getting a bit of a chore anyway. I'm aiming to make this a cheap trip so it won't matter too much if it falls flat, hopefully though it won't. I couldn't get anything to tie up with dates and flight costs till June which was longer than I wanted to wait to try and get some action in. With a bit of luck the weather will be good and I'll have a good time :)

ohh when when when, I will time it so I am there at that time to see you in action, please do tell :)
Maybe I'll even be nice to you and show you how's it done  ;D
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 10, 2019, 07:08:29 AM
Trench Coat, I think there is little hope for you, if you do not know the difference between a Martini and Martini & Rossi.

The underground passages by the central train station are rank and foul in Kivy, filled with urine and garbage. Further at night I would be uncomfortable in them. It's a bit of up bus ride or hike to Maidan or to the center.

While I am uncertain as to your specific dates I looked at 4 nights on Booking.com at Salute which is a super cool hotel. The price was $ 256.- US excluding breakfast. The hotel over looks the Dnieper and is next to the children's palace. Think many women bringing or picking up there sprockets. Every woman will be comfortable meeting in this area.

Though avoid the Irish pub down the street. You can walk safely on 15 minutes to the Iron Lady and in about the same time you can be center on Kreshatik. Close by is the Arsenally and there are allot of women there as well for exhibitions.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 08:00:50 AM

Maybe I'll even be nice to you and show you how's it done  ;D

How NOT to do it will be more accurate ((
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Nightwish on April 10, 2019, 08:43:53 AM
How NOT to do it will be more accurate ((

no, how to do it.

How not to do it we all know he already have accomplished and nailed down to a science.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
Trench, why don’t you broaden your horizons a little.....

I paid $580 aud for over 2 weeks in a nice beach front apartment, over looking the foreshore esplanade.

Every week day I would walk or ride a bike the 4km along it to the city center, for lunch dates. After I would explore the city and parks, where I saw many other attractive women walking during their lunch breaks.

On my way I would literally pass 100’s of attractive women and on the odd occasion I would stop to ask them a questions about the city. All gave me their time, even if they didn’t know English and we used an app to communicate.

Although I wish you luck, you are trying the same trip that you failed miserably with last time. If this one falls flat try something different, including the women you are targeting.

There are many women with one child in their 30’s who want more children and if you treat their child like your own, you probably have her heart forever.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
"If he attempts to implement this strategy  -- he will get arrested !!!

s'more down under thunder eh jay
WHO ever got arrested in Ukraine for doing that, y'know who?
nobody...
you're hunting in a territory that has minimal "game management"

you guys are all so conditioned to act like the rest of the herd
going rogue is so in vogue...

That's true Krimster, the western culture is so game managed now mostly by feminist values, 'you can't do this, you can't do that, its not pc to do this or that, women are expecting...' Its such a stuffy straightjacket that men are afraid to even make a move there are now so many faux pas to lay a man low. The awkwardness to a man even trying to pick up a women in the west is severe to say the least because of all the game management going on these days. Game Management in the west entails a guy basically leaves his dignity at the door and make a spectacle of himself acting like a court jester to apparently entertain the woman, how very demeaning.   
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
Trench Coat, I think there is little hope for you, if you do not know the difference between a Martini and Martini & Rossi.

The underground passages by the central train station are rank and foul in Kivy, filled with urine and garbage. Further at night I would be uncomfortable in them. It's a bit of up bus ride or hike to Maidan or to the center.

While I am uncertain as to your specific dates I looked at 4 nights on Booking.com at Salute which is a super cool hotel. The price was $ 256.- US excluding breakfast. The hotel over looks the Dnieper and is next to the children's palace. Think many women bringing or picking up there sprockets. Every woman will be comfortable meeting in this area.

Though avoid the Irish pub down the street. You can walk safely on 15 minutes to the Iron Lady and in about the same time you can be center on Kreshatik. Close by is the Arsenally and there are allot of women there as well for exhibitions.


The Salute is a funky looking hotel and certainly a step up from the Ibis ;D but I would have a long trip over there from the station, that's not a real big problem but I think I would be going to a funky hotel that may not suit my needs being in not the right area for me. I can see your point if I wanted to aim specifically at women with children, but I'm not wanting to go all out to set myself up on that front. The hotel is not far from the hydropark but that being off any use will mean being there on a good day. To some extent I'm a little concerned that the Shevchenko Park area may have too many students and I'm not really wanting to aim at getting a student girl after unless she is more of a mature student. I am in general open to anyone where there may be chemistry even a girl with a child though I don't currently see that as the most ideal situation. If there is an area, park etc where women in their late twenties to early to mid thirties hang out then that could be ideal for me, either professional girls or girls with general jobs or whatever.

The Arsenally cultural quarter may seem to be of interest but I've tried such places in Lviv and they didn't tend to come up well with the type of woman necessary for dating purposes, sometimes scant on single women alone or those looking too studious to be interested in dating and often no eye contact whatsoever but looking at artefacts. So in general they can be a time consuming waste of time unless you get lucky, so I would much rather pursue other methods as Krimster suggests. The Maidan area is an impressive area, I've stayed in the Hotel Ukraine with a great view overlooking the square. Its not a great area to find a girl though, there is Maidan Square itself with the odd passing person/tourist but often demonstrations and nutters. Opposite and around are a few basic restaurants, some nice enough but often nothing spectacular, then you have a long road that runs the length, here you can see girls passing but they are often on the move so not ideal, its busy and not the most condusive area for meeting girls, at night it tends to descend to youngsters loitering around somewhat drunk.

For me the Shevchenko Park area looks a better area as its less of a linear section of the city and more block like so a more wider selction of options to hand than the Maidan area which is nice but quite confined. I think a park area would suit my needs better where women may linger more and move at a slower pace.   
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
That's true Krimster, the western culture is so game managed now mostly by feminist values, 'you can't do this, you can't do that, its not pc to do this or that, women are expecting...' Its such a stuffy straightjacket that men are afraid to even make a move there are now so many faux pas to lay a man low. The awkwardness to a man even trying to pick up a women in the west is severe to say the least because of all the game management going on these days. Game Management in the west entails a guy basically leaves his dignity at the door and make a spectacle of himself acting like a court jester to apparently entertain the woman, how very demeaning.

What a bunch of hooey. I have sons. Neither of them lack female attention. In fact, one of them mostly rejects advances, doesn’t want a girlfriend. I also have a cousin, older than you, who has no issues finding women to date. This has more to do with you than any WW.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
What a bunch of hooey. I have sons. Neither of them lack female attention. In fact, one of them mostly rejects advances, doesn’t want a girlfriend. I also have a cousin, older than you, who has no issues finding women to date. This has more to do with you than any WW.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Either the is gay, not yet reached pubity or has only gets approached by mingers or something of the like. I would advise you to turn your trained legal eye on the situation with that son Boe, it is 'highly' unusual. A straight make guy in his prime will always go for an attractive girl that there is any sort of chemistry with. It's girls that turn down guys they are attracted to for serious reasons like serious study or whatever in the west not guys. Even with guys the more time that passes the less choice they can have.

If I were you I would find out what way your son here is actually inclined, does he just go for fatties, is he gay/bi etc, any fetishes he may have. To me a guy who is turning down girls, well there is something more going on there then meets the eye, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
No, he is young and doesn’t want a serious relationship. 

Not all men think alike. My husband used to get hit on every day, both before and after we married. The last time was about 4 years ago. He was with our son, who was very uncomfortable with the encounter. Not once was husband interested in the woman, and I can assure you, he’s not gay, or into fetishes.

I suspect your view is based on your own lack of success with women at home.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
No, he is young and doesn’t want a serious relationship. 

Not all men think alike. My husband used to get hit on every day, both before and after we married. The last time was about 4 years ago. He was with our son, who was very uncomfortable with the encounter. Not once was husband interested in the woman, and I can assure you, he’s not gay, or into fetishes.

I suspect your view is based on your own lack of success with women at home.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

It probably partly is but I would suggest that your husband & sons interest from woman is not common among most men. So they but either look like Brad Pitt and/or be a big Mr Personality.

So what was the line of approach from these women then?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 12:03:07 PM
Trench, suggesting to Boethius that he is 'normal' ? .....  :wallbash:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 12:20:12 PM
Trench, suggesting to Boethius that he is 'normal' ? .....  :wallbash:

Moby as you well know in the UK it is the guys that have to chase and chat up the women while the women sit back and choose who they want to go out with. Only if the guy is real good looking or part of the 'In crowd', good personality etc will a woman bother. That or the girl is real low on the looks/personality stakes that she knows few if any guys will bother in which case a few of them might chase a guy a bit so long as they don't care about being rejected too much.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: ML on April 10, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
In Ukraine, a product is sold that is labeled Martini, not Martini and Rossi (although) that may be there also.

So many people in Ukraine do not know that there is a mixed drink called Martini that is different from this bottle sold by Martini.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 12:36:57 PM
Moby as you well know in the UK it is the guys that have to chase and chat up the women while the women sit back and choose who they want to go out with.

I know NOTHING of the sort ..this is YOUR sad excuse and NOT my experience .. WHY you perpetuate this tosh - Gawd knows

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 10, 2019, 12:39:21 PM
I think when it comes to sexuality, there is really no such thing as “normal”
but relative values can be compared:

total partners
frequency with primary partner
range of sexual practices

and so forth,
I WISH I had a less sexually active spouse like BO
but I don’t....
and as a result:

I can’t take a nice quiet bath by myself or my wife will come into the master bath and want to “wash my junk”  like yeah my body is just laying here for your gratification
and not because I’m tired after working all day

or when my wife and her hot friend Olga get into the pool and take their tops off and then want me to come and play with them even if I’m not in the mood or working...

but oh well.....

would be nice to have a quiet life like BO's
and not have to constantly satisfy my wife's needs all the time

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
I know NOTHING of the sort ..this is YOUR sad excuse and NOT my experience .. WHY you perpetuate this tosh - Gawd knows

Then what would you or Boe suggest is the reason for lack of women approaching me? Clearly there is a reason they don't approach me but do you.

It could be down to different societies but then you suggest women have come onto you a fair amount in the past. Unless you are counting every time a woman is friendly and polite to you as a come on. I'm talking actual ask outs here or those strong enough to count as one.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 12:45:59 PM
You don’t know my sex life and won’t. It’s something between me and my husband, no one else.

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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 12:47:33 PM
Trench, women’s cues are subtle. You’re at an age where there will be fewer, but you have probably missed them completely.

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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
Trench, women’s cues are subtle. You’re at an age where there will be fewer, but you have probably missed them completely.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Probably what I like about FSW they don't do subtle as 2tallbill says. If I get subtle I don't know if I understood the signs correctly, if there were indeed signs, whether they were serious, and what indeed I am supposed to do about it. Some circumstances could be very embarrassing if gotten the wrong end of the stick, never mind about all the sexual harassment stuff around these days.

I've had girls eye me up only to find they have a boyfriend on Facebook, I mean what am I supposed to do with that????
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 01:14:07 PM
It has to be more than looking at you-talking or touching. You have to know the cues of your culture.

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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 01:21:39 PM
It has to be more than looking at you-talking or touching. You have to know the cues of your culture.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

On that I wouldn't have the foggiest apart from wondering if something was supposed to mean what it meant or have another meaning. Perhaps I should look to join another culture.

I mean how did that women you mentioned come onto your husband for instance?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 01:23:22 PM
I can tell, just from your posts, that you would not do well in Ukraine.

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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 01:36:21 PM
I can tell, just from your posts, that you would not do well in Ukraine.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Why? They are a more direct culture are they not?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 01:54:33 PM
You mean something else. Like how to read the backstory of what is going on through goings on and what is not said rather than a direct communication to what is going on.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 10, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Why? They are a more direct culture are they not?


That is one component.


But it's a minor one.  As a foreigner, you are a target.  I don't think you could cope.


This post was composed without the aid of google.


You mean something else. Like how to read the backstory of what is going on through goings on and what is not said rather than a direct communication to what is going on.


I suggest you start a separate thread asking male posters of their experiences.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 10, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
I can tell, just from your posts, that you would not do well in Ukraine.

Trenchcoat, everyone is entitled to happiness and a successful and healthy relationship.

Sadly though you have shown consistently a lack of recognition of your shortcomings and an inability to learn. I pointed out a 'target rich' environment where there are numerous corporations and office buildings as well as a vibrant café cultural area. Restaurants are plenty in a wide price range. You are choosing one of the more depressing parts of the city. The vast majority of people do not want to be there and are moving to another destination.

You have created a fantasy that is devoid of any reality. Blaming western feminists as the source of your failings is simply sad no very sad.  You refuse to address your shortcomings.  This is why the Boethuis quote above is so true.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 02:24:44 PM
Trenchcoat, everyone is entitled to happiness and a successful and healthy relationship.

Sadly though you have shown consistently a lack of recognition of your shortcomings and inability to learn. I pointed out a 'target rich' environment where there are numerous corporations and office buildings as well as a vibrant café cultural area. Restaurants are plenty in a wide price range.

You have created a fantasy that is devoid of any reality. Blaming western feminists as the source of your failings is simply sad no very sad.  You refuse to address your shortcomings.  This is why the Boethuis quote above is so true.


What is there to learn apart from me disagreeing with the best area for me to go to. Krimster said Shevchenko area is best area to head for, you say another, difference of opinion you could say. I understand there are different types of girls around depending on the area but the area you suggest is not necessarily any better for me for various reasons.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 02:37:56 PM

That is one component.


But it's a minor one.  As a foreigner, you are a target.  I don't think you could cope.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



I suggest you start a separate thread asking male posters of their experiences.

I understand a lot of women both online and off will look at me and any foreigner and view them as easy soft targets from the outset. Over the course of my experiences in Ukraine though not all negative by any means I have learnt that mostly from the negative experiences that it is best to be as independent and self reliant as possible. Which basically involves being aware of what can go down and building in security measures into my routine. I know that most importantly any girl I get into interacting with I will have to judge whether she is truely into me and what her intentions are hidden or otherwise.

I will indeed start another thread shortly asking members on here of their experiences of dealing with women.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
Trench, women’s cues are subtle. You’re at an age where there will be fewer, but you have probably missed them completely.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Trench, it took me a while to find an example of this..... one of the biggest cues and generally missed is what people do with their feet when you are first meeting.

I’m ashamed to say it but I picked this tip up from an ex work colleague, who after being divorced studied PUA was very good at it. I hung out with him and his mates for several months and it was quite an eye opener for me.

I use this sign offen and it tells me when I’m bombing and have to step it up to gain her attention again. We all do this with our feet without even knowing it.

Check it out..... the whole video is a great example of the subtle signs of human attraction.

So there you go Trench, you should have no excuses not to nail this trip with all the inside knowledge on the YouTube video 😉

http://youtu.be/SBOtj1RmaUE
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on April 10, 2019, 03:21:57 PM
Trench, it took me a while to find an example of this..... one of the biggest cues and generally missed is what people do with their feet when you are first meeting.


In Trench's case -that will be the sound of them running !

I understand a lot of women both online and off will look at me and any foreigner and view them as easy soft targets from the outset.

And that sums up another fundamental point of your stupidity -- your focus on the negative  and your underlying theme-- ie that you are some sort of prize !

In an earlier post in thread-I commented about your comments made in a hotel review that shows your moronic arrogant stupidity has no bounds. Now-- you want to start another thread asking others of their experiences -- what exactly do you think about 50000 posts on the forum do? And a btw- even then you choose to go with some really stupid advice from yesterdays people!

You have shown you are incapable of changing yourself -- and it is YOU that is a problem.


Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
« Reply #60 on: Today at 03:11:49 AM »
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Ya'all are being far to nice to the social misfit!
If he attempts to implement this strategy  -- he will get arrested !!!

And/or the sh.. beaten out of him ! :cluebat:


Quote from: LAman on Yesterday at 08:47:57 PM
Trench, what site are you using to find your hotel?

Make sure you read his hotel reviews --  he can tell you how amazing  the hotel was in such a poor country full of girls as poor as church mice ! That is the TC style on Trip advisor ( or similar) ahh such expertise to rely on !!!  :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 03:39:35 PM
Trench, it took me a while to find an example of this..... one of the biggest cues and generally missed is what people do with their feet when you are first meeting.

I’m ashamed to say it but I picked this tip up from an ex work colleague, who after being divorced studied PUA was very good at it. I hung out with him and his mates for several months and it was quite an eye opener for me.

I use this sign offen and it tells me when I’m bombing and have to step it up to gain her attention again. We all do this with our feet without even knowing it.

Check it out..... the whole video is a great example of the subtle signs of human attraction.

Edit.... For intrest sake. I just viewed the some video footage I took of my time I spent with the woman in Russia, and she showed almost all the signs of attraction you see in the video.... culture doesn’t dictate basic human nature.... we are all the same when it comes to attraction and flirting.

So there you go Trench, you should have no excuses not to nail this trip with all the inside knowledge on the YouTube video 😉

http://youtu.be/SBOtj1RmaUE

Thanks Davo I'm most appreciative :)

I knew of the general hair flick but never really realised how subtle it can be used and still mean something. Before watching this video I generally assumed that unless it was real obvious it lacked any real meaning if it was just a slight movement that was hardly distinguishable.

Other stuff in this video is very useful also, it's handy in that it goes through all the seemingly minor stuff going on and tells us that more is going on than the basics. Often you can tell if someone is getting with someone in a club but not often why, at least not me. I always wondered why some guys in clubs etc were chick magnets. It looks like guys with a certain look, masculine if you like get more attention then others. That dude shut out trying not to look too awkward was probably closer to my experiences. Terribly awful of those women to do that to him, looks like women are no more superficial than us guys lol. Like the guy said better he might as well not be there, the chances may be though that he may just end up wandering around the club. His chances not helped by rejection from one group of girls giving him a low status socially.

Still better to know the signs and when to hold and when to fold I guess rather than be in that situation wondering why no joy is occurring. Many thanks for the vid Davo it's a very good contribution :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 03:56:20 PM
Just thinking over that poor guy those girls cold shouldered, terribly rude that they do that, they do of course though. Think even guys if a girl was with one they found ugly, even though they they would likely be reluctant in communication with her they would likely in most cases I think not cold shoulder her like women do. It's kind of  counter to the image girls like to cultivate of themselves as a caring nature, lol.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 04:30:48 PM
In Trench's case -that will be the sound of them running !


Just as well trench isn’t travelling to an Asian country... I’ve seen a few of those women rotate there feet almost backwards..... He would be totally confused 😉
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
Then what would you or Boe suggest is the reason for lack of women approaching me? Clearly there is a reason they don't approach me but do you.

A clue would be to read Boethius' responses  to all your posts..

I am quite certain I have been clear..

Not listening, missing signals ( negative one's, mostly in your case ) misogynistic attitudes are starters

What is exasperating is that you simply repeat your 'assertions' and prove advising you is a hopeless waste of time.

Boethius was one of the last to give up on you.

You really used up our patience
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 05:21:45 PM
A clue would be to read Boethius' responses  to all your posts..

I am quite certain I have been clear..

Not listening, missing signals ( negative one's, mostly in your case ) misogynistic attitudes are starters

What is exasperating is that you simply repeat your 'assertions' and prove advising you is a hopeless waste of time.

Boethius was one of the last to give up on you.

You really used up our patience

I know that Boethius feels my 'misogynist' attitudes would mean I would not be successful with FSW/women. I can see that an attitude that jars with a FSW might either turn her off or even bad on me. I told her in reality I don't tend to overtly press these views or attitude. To be honest I never used to be misogynist when I was younger but I didn't have much joy back then. Since then I have seen that agreeing with feminism as I used to far from being about a better world as envisaged has instead some negative impacts that are often turned a blind eye to.

I don't feel that my misogynist attitude has any real difference in this search. I'm not one of those guys who lust after a model hottie of a AFA or similar site and think she'll come and cook and clean for me and see to my every whim. I get that there is a real level of interpersonal connection to be had rather than a mail ordered process to the situation.

I don't always follow everything a poster will say, some posters will disagree with each other in either case, so I can't literally follow everyone's advice. I am happy to hear different members ideas and advice but I sometimes firm my own view as to the way I wish to move towards. I try some stuff, it doesn't work out so I try something else. Some bits work some doesn't that's life.

I thank Davo for his advice/vid as I think this directly starts to chip away at the problem and what Boethius was getting at aside from the usual misogynist stuff. Often nightclub or similar group meet scenes like that are mind boggling to me and why people treat some like they are the best thing since sliced bread and others like they are something they need to wipe off their shoes. As said in the video some people are more naturally at picking up signals and often subconsciously.

I am learning a lot from this endeavour, I really do feel progress is being made and a greater understanding is coming on my part. I wouldn't say I am guaranteed success or will find it but I would rather try and learn and dispel the fog of confusion that not just myself but doubtless many other guys encounter and struggle to understand.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 05:46:56 PM
I know that Boethius feels my 'misogynist' attitudes would mean I would not be successful with FSW/women.

Correction...Any woman..and she was among the last to agree you are beyond help until you deal with your issues.

 
I am learning a lot from this endeavour, I really do feel progress is being made and a greater understanding is coming on my part. I wouldn't say I am guaranteed success or will find it but I would rather try and learn and dispel the fog of confusion that not just myself but doubtless many other guys encounter and struggle to understand.


I have yet to see any lesson learnt on your part and you still insist on giving bollox 'advice' to others who have less experience.

My opinion is that you are passing the time during your commute  and during your 'work '..

Are you studying for a degree on alienating people?))



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
I don't feel that my misogynist attitude has any real difference in this search.

Trench I might not have had any experience dating upto 4 years ago. My only date upto age 39, was hooking up with my ex near what we Aussie’s call a billabong after she come onto me at an agricultural show.... I was 14!!

It didn’t take long to realise woman our age are incredibly perceptive and have unnatural BS detectors that probably pick up tells you have no idea you’re giving off.

Some things you say most men wouldn’t, even on an anonymous forum... I’ll give you an example.... you call over weight women fatties. Any woman would take offence to this, even if she’s slim. Women stick together when men are being insulting to one of their own.

How would you feel if a man talked about your sister that way?... my sister has struggled with her weight all of her life and if you directed that towards her I’d put you on your arse!!! It’s offensive to me every time you say it here, and I’m sure even more so the women present here.

You might never say that to a woman in public, but the attitude that spawns those comments here will be picked up by woman you meet in real life, maybe not instantly, but they will eventually.

I have several attractive female friends and I’ve had boyfriends make continual sexist comments to me in private and they never last more than a month or so. The men who are true gentleman fair much better.

Today I had a deep conversation with the woman I saw recently and the biggest impression I made on her was booking a room with two beds on the first night we met. Veiwing her has a human being first and not a sexual object was my main priority and she saw that.

She was touched by my gesture and in her worlds I won her over emotionally the first night. She respected me far more than a man who put sex high on his priorities.  If I had have tried to make a move, she would have left the next morning and cut contact.

You need to be an absolute gentleman at all times, especially when spending time with the type girl you would take home to your mother. If you adopt this respectful attitude you will be rewarded for it, and win her heart emotionally.

That emotional connection is what stops you being used as a mule, dumped for another man and for women is the first stage of falling deeply in love with you. You’re doomed if you never had that connection or lost it during your marriage. I learnt that the hard way.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 10, 2019, 05:59:40 PM
gozpedy

as I have previously informed y’all
don’t get lulled into a false sense of the familiar in Ukraine...
just because some things seem familiar, like “back home”, that it is in fact, “back home”
it ain’t...

especially when it comes to sex in Ukraine
be prepared for surprises
trip to the banyas can happen after 3rd date
it’s “no clothing” in the banya
so if you’re in need of manscaping
see to it before, cuz ya never know when the lawn is going to be on full display in high lumens
I happen to look better waxed
you guys decide for yourself
how you think you look, especially up close in a lot of light...

also
if you are REAL nice to a Ukrainian girl
and I mean REALLY nice
while she is in the middle of expressing her gratitude towards you
she will also with her index finger reach around
and perform a prostate exam in unison with the rest of her activity
this is an expression of her concern for your health
because of the prevalence of prostate cancer in Ukraine
these girls want to check the size and functioning of your prostate (this is what they told me!)
however normal this may be in Ukraine
the first time it happened to me, I was quite startled
and let out a loud shriek!!!
up until that point I was a virgin in that particular orifice

I don't know about you guys
but the last exam I had my prostate was the size of a walnut and well toned...

 





Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 10, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
Correction...Any woman..and she was among the last to agree you are beyond help until you deal with your issues.

 
I have yet to see any lesson learnt on your part and you still insist on giving bollox 'advice' to others who have less experience.

My opinion is that you are passing the time during your commute  and during your 'work '..

Are you studying for a degree on alienating people?))

Mobe, this antagonism from you is really all centred on you feeling that I am encroaching upon your domain of your chosen expertise field of FSU dating. Your not the only one I've gotten at least a couple of other members nose out of joint for dare venturing an opinion contrary to yours. You need to examine the heart of your defensiveness on the subject and get some professional help.
Title: Skip lesbian meeting
Post by: ML on April 10, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
I forget when you are going to be in Kyiv, but you probably should skip this affair . . .

http://www.kyivpost.com/lifestyle/people/journalism-of-tolerance/hundreds-of-lesbian-activists-to-meet-in-kyiv-on-april-11-14.html
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 10:33:41 PM
Thanks for such an entertaining 'wake up to post' ))

 
Mobe, this antagonism from you is really all centred on you feeling that I am encroaching upon your domain of your chosen expertise field of FSU dating.

Seems I actually got a torpedo through your thick amour..GOOD..Now stop posting bollox like the above and LISTEN... Why ask questions and NEVER learn from the answers.



Your not the only one I've gotten at least a couple of other members nose out of joint for dare venturing an opinion contrary to yours. You need to examine the heart of your defensiveness on the subject and get some professional help.

You are a prize twat..YOU need to eradicate your misogynistic tendencies before you attempt to date, let alone think of LTRs

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: SteveInBoston on April 11, 2019, 04:12:30 AM
TC,

Look at who agrees with you and who disagrees with you.

The only one I can think of recently who has agreed with you is Jamesukjames.  I haven't seen him around recently.

He has a similar attitude to you but 3 major things you don't:  money, some language skills, and relationship experience.  Yet so far he has failed, partly because he kept pursuing the wrong type of women against the advise of most here, and partly because the women, per Davos' comments, picked up on his attitude.

The last bit above is conjecture on my part - James has not gone into much detail about the failed relationships apart from the 2 recent ones in Ukraine.  But it makes sense from what was posted. 

When you disparage others, people wonder if the common denominator is you or the person/group you put down.  As you keep blaming others - UK girls, FSU pro daters, vacation girls, taxi fare home scammners, etc, it soon becomes apparent you are the common factor.  You don't like overweight women, women who are too ambitious, women who are too short, too tall, too attractive, not attractive enough...

FSUW an WW both soon realize there's something wrong with you.

Try baby steps. Try to develop some contact with local women - as friends.  It might be helpful for you. 
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 06:28:50 AM
Trench,

lotta single moms in Kyiv in their late 20s...
no child support... no money...
these wimmin go to bed every night worried how they’re gonna feed their kid
and buy them a winter coat they desperately need...
sheeettt, I’d even get a helmet for the winter so the falling icicles don’t bore through your gullivar, I know you can get em in kid size, cuz I used to dress my daughters up as partisans for Victory Day with a kid size Soviet Army Helmet
(I painted Red Stars on them to make it look “klassne”)

nice lookin wimmin to these single moms
ya know why?
cuz the ugly ones don’t get pregnant at 17...
ONLY the really pretty ones!!!
and they’re still pretty at 27 or 28...

interesting thing about these single moms
scratch the surface of one and underneath
you will see a person with integrity
(REAL important quality to look for in a UW - I mean besides big hooters of course!)
actually, you will find few people in Ukraine with more integrity than a single mom
and the benefit of a UW with integrity is loyalty...

Trench, I don’t wanna scare ya buddy
I actually admire you and find you a sympathetic character
despite knowing the odds are against you - you try anyway!
I respect that, and others here, if they actually had the “moral superiority” that they think they do, would as well....

but, look, think about the big picture!
you’re having enormous difficulty on step 1...
what about step 34 and step 343?
by that I mean this venture doesn’t just END with you meeting someone
it only BEGINS...

living peacefully with another human being is enormously more difficult
than catching a female’s attention during her ovulation cycle

the one thing I will say that you have going for you, that IMHO puts you WAY ahead
of all most all the other single guys I’ve seen on this board is
you don’t get angry - this will help you to live with a UW - don’t EVER get angry!
and you’re NOT a narcissist
you’re just not very good looking or wealthy
and you live in a village...

I think if you’re smart you can overcome these things
you’re at least heading in the right direction...
keep trying!
two years from now Kyiv will be like the Titanic
learn to mimic a life boat and you might be surprised who you can rescue






Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 11, 2019, 06:46:11 AM
TC,

Look at who agrees with you and who disagrees with you.

The only one I can think of recently who has agreed with you is Jamesukjames.  I haven't seen him around recently.

He has a similar attitude to you but 3 major things you don't:  money, some language skills, and relationship experience.  Yet so far he has failed, partly because he kept pursuing the wrong type of women against the advise of most here, and partly because the women, per Davos' comments, picked up on his attitude.

The last bit above is conjecture on my part - James has not gone into much detail about the failed relationships apart from the 2 recent ones in Ukraine.  But it makes sense from what was posted. 

When you disparage others, people wonder if the common denominator is you or the person/group you put down.  As you keep blaming others - UK girls, FSU pro daters, vacation girls, taxi fare home scammners, etc, it soon becomes apparent you are the common factor.  You don't like overweight women, women who are too ambitious, women who are too short, too tall, too attractive, not attractive enough...

FSUW an WW both soon realize there's something wrong with you.

Try baby steps. Try to develop some contact with local women - as friends.  It might be helpful for you.

Steve, there are those in this forum with similar views to me who are married in a successful LTR. They may not come out and agree with me as they probably don't want to get caught up in the arguments so much. 2tallbill for example recently posted a thread/poll on do men prefer short or long hair, long hair won by quite a number of votes along with illustrated arguments for it, misogynistic? Memory is a bit vague on this one but I believe when fat women argument have come up in the past ML, BillyB & 2tallbill, Krimster, etc all stated a preference for them not to be fat, that's just from vague memory so I might be wrong on any of the above members holding that position. Most of those in a LTR with a woman have no reason to harp on about it they are content with the situation they are in. It only features so much in many of the threads I have become involved in as some members have such an issue against it and other such preferences as mine that it often descends into an argument and goes on for far longer than I would have wished for. Yes on that point it probably is better to remain quiet both on and off the forum as few seem to want to hear the situation as is so it appears better to say nothing and let the chubby girls revell in their chubbyness with no loss of Qdos to me for pointing out the situation to others/ other half. Same with career girls etc, etc, I will just concentrate on the situation I am in seems to be the best course and ignore such topics on here and elsewhere when they come up it clearly is not worth the arguments getting into.

Moby, JayH and Nightwish have all been very argumentative on most of my posts on here, hostile it could often be said. Seems a bit of a over reaction to me just on my misogynist etc viewpoints/ideas on FSU dating. I may of course be wrong in some areas but it still surprises me how ardently they express themselves. For me it has been trying to work out what is all going on in FSU dating both socially and culturally. I do believe that a lot of progress has been made on this and some of my standpoints & questions while vexing some have gone on to some forum members providing a great insight into topics of FSU Dating many of us would be oblivious to. Let's take Krimster's explaining of how banja sex in a relationship comes about in the FSU.

First time this happened to me out there I wondered if the girl I was dating was legit. Nothing like that happens in the UK and as far as I know US, Canada, Aus, western Europe, etc. For me it f***ed with my mind that a straight up girl would do such a thing as exciting as it was. In the UK it would almost definitely mean you are with a girl who is not legit. I was indeed grateful to Krimster that he cleared that one up :) or I would still be wondering about another aspect of the girl I was with and any future girl that might go with it. When I was in there with the girl I thought to myself 'this can't be for real'. How many other guys from the west might come over such situations. Other oddities with a FSW attitude to good in restaurants etc were also answered which again can leave the western man with a lot of questions and doubts over what is really going on with the girl he is with i.e is she for real or is she playing a game and having a guy on etc.

If I and a few others didn't bring up these discussions there would be a lot less understanding of FSW on here and a lot more relationships fall apart in the early stages by not understanding what is really going on. I've noticed in the past a lot of guys meet a FSW, it's great to start with then all of a sudden goes south because they didn't really understand FSW and the way things are out there, ie Wall, dog issue, etc Yet often there seems to be an almost disproportionate hostility from some members in here over my discussions on here. I mean can some members calm down a bit and not get quite so hostile.

It's ok to show a difference of opinion, I have never had a problem with Boethius even though she disagrees with pretty much all of what I say or at least questions/remarks on stuff I post. I just don't know why a few others can't just be a bit more calmer in there approach, the noise made isn't at all helpful in discussing the matter.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 06:52:38 AM
gee Trench your mature attitude really makes your detractors look like "durrichki" in comparison
I'd say game and match to you!!!

now do this with the ladies
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 11, 2019, 07:08:42 AM
Trench,

lotta single moms in Kyiv in their late 20s...
no child support... no money...
these wimmin go to bed every night worried how they’re gonna feed their kid
and buy them a winter coat they desperately need...
sheeettt, I’d even get a helmet for the winter so the falling icicles don’t bore through your gullivar, I know you can get em in kid size, cuz I used to dress my daughters up as partisans for Victory Day with a kid size Soviet Army Helmet
(I painted Red Stars on them to make it look “klassne”)

nice lookin wimmin to these single moms
ya know why?
cuz the ugly ones don’t get pregnant at 17...
ONLY the really pretty ones!!!
and they’re still pretty at 27 or 28...

interesting thing about these single moms
scratch the surface of one and underneath
you will see a person with integrity
(REAL important quality to look for in a UW - I mean besides big hooters of course!)
actually, you will find few people in Ukraine with more integrity than a single mom
and the benefit of a UW with integrity is loyalty...

Trench, I don’t wanna scare ya buddy
I actually admire you and find you a sympathetic character
despite knowing the odds are against you - you try anyway!
I respect that, and others here, if they actually had the “moral superiority” that they think they do, would as well....

but, look, think about the big picture!
you’re having enormous difficulty on step 1...
what about step 34 and step 343?
by that I mean this venture doesn’t just END with you meeting someone
it only BEGINS...


living peacefully with another human being is enormously more difficult
than catching a female’s attention during her ovulation cycle

the one thing I will say that you have going for you, that IMHO puts you WAY ahead
of all most all the other single guys I’ve seen on this board is
you don’t get angry - this will help you to live with a UW - don’t EVER get angry!
and you’re NOT a narcissist
you’re just not very good looking or wealthy
and you live in a village...

I think if you’re smart you can overcome these things
you’re at least heading in the right direction...

Thanks Krim, you're always great to me on this board :) and I do really appreciate it. Yeah, that point has been on my mind as well it's a decent point. It's something I'm going to have to look into more before getting into a deeper relationship with a FSW as a messy break up would not be great. Possibly once in a relationship with the right girl things may naturally develop ok on the other hand issues could come up that become problematic in terms of dealing with being in a relationship. At this point I would rather just give it a go than not try. I would rather try in life and try and learn and grow then not make an attempt at all. I hear what you say and you make some good points Krim. I've learnt a fair amount along the way and some of it has been real eye opening for me so at this point I would rather try and learn some more and understand myself even more in the process as that in itself is quite fulfilling for me to understand how and why things go down for me in a relationship and the reasons for it.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 11, 2019, 07:09:39 AM
gee Trench your mature attitude really makes your detractors look like "durrichki" in comparison
I'd say game and match to you!!!

now do this with the ladies

Much appreciated Krim, right now time for gym though ;)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on April 11, 2019, 04:41:38 PM
TC,

Look at who agrees with you and who disagrees with you.


 

Steve, there are those in this forum with similar views to me who are married in a successful LTR. .

Moby, JayH and Nightwish have all been very argumentative on most of my posts on here, hostile it could often be said.

TC-- what you do not get is Steve ( & a 100+ others)  being polite and trying to redirect you  nicely.

Look at who you follow--Krim and his ridiculously out of date  dreaming of events that MAY have happened 25 years ago(or more)  and because they are roughly in line with the idiot Roosh you want to believe that BS !!

I don't have much nice to say about Moby -- but on you he has got it 100% right .Nightwish is amongst the many offended by your idiotic "thinking" ( which is entirely the wrong word to describe what goes on in your brainless skull) . You make offensive comment after offensive comment -- and cannot ever get  that you are offending people.

Nightwish  & I -- both currently are in relationships with Ukrainian women approx in the age range you specify-- and spend time in Ukraine in the here and now.- has it ever dawned on you that gives us a special insight?

Note Steve and rwd ( married)  also recent time  and ongoing.There are others who have directed their ire at you -- your response is to post back with misguided attempts to insult. By way of contrast -- you ignore the good advice and choose to go with yesterday people and their optimistic advice ( eg 2T is posting for others to learn- he gave up on you long ago like so many others)
Boethius has repeatedly  attempted to help you -your response is to aim insults at her.

 You are incapable of learning -- even factual material that does not accord with what you want to believe you discard and then want to argue about it!

 
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 11, 2019, 06:13:33 PM
TC-- what you do not get is Steve ( & a 100+ others)  being polite and trying to redirect you  nicely.

Look at who you follow--Krim and his ridiculously out of date  dreaming of events that MAY have happened 25 years ago(or more)  and because they are roughly in line with the idiot Roosh you want to believe that BS !!

I don't have much nice to say about Moby -- but on you he has got it 100% right .Nightwish is amongst the many offended by your idiotic "thinking" ( which is entirely the wrong word to describe what goes on in your brainless skull) . You make offensive comment after offensive comment -- and cannot ever get  that you are offending people.

Nightwish  & I -- both currently are in relationships with Ukrainian women approx in the age range you specify-- and spend time in Ukraine in the here and now.- has it ever dawned on you that gives us a special insight?

Note Steve and rwd ( married)  also recent time  and ongoing.There are others who have directed their ire at you -- your response is to post back with misguided attempts to insult. By way of contrast -- you ignore the good advice and choose to go with yesterday people and their optimistic advice ( eg 2T is posting for others to learn- he gave up on you long ago like so many others)
Boethius has repeatedly  attempted to help you -your response is to aim insults at her.

 You are incapable of learning -- even factual material that does not accord with what you want to believe you discard and then want to argue about it!

Just because I don't agree with what you say doesn't mean I'm incapable of learning merely that I disagree with what you have said, it has nothing to do with learning. In any case you and Nightwish rarely give advice but quickly get on here when there is a chance to deride what someone else is suggesting that is contrary to your thoughts.

Anyone that is able to spend a significant time over there is going to increase their chances a lot more. Not just in finding the one but also in lasting long time with the one they find. Unless the girl is heavily into the guy and doesn't have other options she'll be tempted by what else is around her. She's not going to put her life on hold for some guy that visits even every few weeks unless she thinks the guy is the one in some way.

I am quite happy with where I am at in this search at the moment. Of course I can benefit by learning anything I am not on top off such as that what has turned up on facial language but I have learnt a lot about dating in the FSU these past three years to give a good go at it.

I know for some like 2tallbill it has been a lot of input and some going over some points a few times. It's not an easy venture and it can take some grappling with to get the points that are brought up.

I'm happy taking the advice of Krim and others, much if it fits in with my experiences to date and a lot of it is I feel good advice. I sense they are decent guys with honest intentions and I for one am happy and grateful to learn from them.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
"look at who you follow--Krim and his ridiculously out of date  dreaming of events that MAY have happened 25 years ago(or more) "

since you know SO MUCH about me JayH
then you know that while you were pecking away on your keyboard
I was in the pool with my wife and her blonde Ukrainian friend Olga
since they’re child hood friends they’re comfortable with their tops off in the pool with each other (and me to of course...)

Olga has magnificent boobs, not as nice as my wife’s (obligatory photo)
but nice, very pale skin
one thing led to another....

so how has your day been going so far Jay

y’know if I were you, I’d be pissed at me to...
I understand...
there's a good fellow, go and put the billy on the boil and have a cuppa...
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: JayH on April 11, 2019, 06:27:19 PM
"look at who you follow--Krim and his ridiculously out of date  dreaming of events that MAY have happened 25 years ago(or more) "

since you know SO MUCH about me JayH


I can only know from the crap and BS you post here - so that was my reference :)




since you know SO MUCH about me JayH
then you know that while you were pecking away on your keyboard


No Krim -- the reality is that while you are spending so much of your time  "pecking away on your keyboard"    I am spending my time   with a girl  you can only dream of   and lust after ! ;D


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 06:53:48 PM
pic JayH or it's just you playing with your dingo....
I give pics


"I am spending my time   with a girl  you can only dream of   and lust after !"

JayH that is just SUCH A WEIRD PATRHOLOGICAL WAY to express this
your center of attention is that you're trying to make another man (me?) jealous
that's why I'm starting to think that there is not just a little bit of dingo petting going on here
but a whole lot of dingo petting is going on
hmmmm hmmmmmm

pic. or you're a dingo petter, bed wetter, descended from a transported debtor


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: rwd123 on April 11, 2019, 08:11:57 PM
Look at who you follow--Krim and his ridiculously out of date  dreaming of events that MAY have happened 25 years ago(or more)  and because they are roughly in line with the idiot Roosh you want to believe that BS !!
Although he may embellish a bit I don't doubt Krimster had many adventures. But it was a generation ago and Ukraine is a very different place now (as is the FSU in general). Foreigners are nowhere near as exotic; with some women they are reviled, with others marked for exploitation. And then there are many normal women who may be open to communication but not looking for a romantic acquaintance.

I was in Shevchenko Park a few weeks ago. TC would have more luck trying to chat up the moms in the playground than college girls. And even then I get the impression he doesn't have the communication skills or charisma to woo a woman.

TC - if you're going for a weekend the best you can hope for is to line up some dates online. I honestly don't think you'll find a woman in a random street encounter.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 09:17:23 PM
"I was in Shevchenko Park a few weeks ago"

too cold, try next Friday when Casa Deritmo does open salsa - unless the weather's bad
lots of single girls in packs they're almost all undergads lookin for some guy to dance with, but no luck

look here's a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLI9uL2jNuE

I know it looks corny!  but that's what makes this a prime spot, its "safe" family atmosphere
also, news flash!  EVERYTHING looks corny in Ukraine... eta oo cry eena
everyone's in a more open mood in this kind of environment, drunk wimmin will just come right up and talk to you
different social rules apply here - especially on holidays and everyone had a bit too much to drink and I don't mean qvas
usually free alcohol on Victory day  - just a few weeks away, everyone's drunk by 6:00 PM


round the corner from there is Sportyvna Square and Gulliver Mall
this is one of the easiest hunting territories in kyiv
still nothin, head east to Khreshchatyk and then north

by then, you'll have past at least a million super models


BTW dewd, please do not portray me as some washed up has been who sits around tellin stories
ok, I don't know who HE is, but he's not me
like I told Jay-Low,
I was in a pool with two lovely naked Ukrainian women today
and unless you were in a pool with three then your comments are not even worthy of my ridicule


Title: Trench shows others how NOT to do it .
Post by: msmob on April 11, 2019, 10:08:52 PM


Moby, JayH and Nightwish have all been very argumentative on most of my posts on here, hostile it could often be said. Seems a bit of a over reaction to me just on my misogynist etc viewpoints/ideas on FSU dating.

Can't speak for others mentioned, but normally, I wish all guys good luck..you - I hope the ladies will not encounter you - until you change your attitude.


. For me it has been trying to work out what is all going on in FSU dating both socially and culturally.

You have NO clue about your local one ... you just think you can go to Ukraine and will 'save' a poor girl

In the UK it would almost definitely mean you are with a girl who is not legit.

Nope ..

Other oddities with a FSW attitude to good in restaurants etc were also answered which again can leave the western man with a lot of questions and doubts over what is really going on with the girl he is with i.e is she for real or is she playing a game and having a guy on etc.

With your current attitude, I'd guess 95%, she's going to use your wallet as a litmus test of your endurance

If I and a few others didn't bring up these discussions there would be a lot less understanding of FSW on here and a lot more relationships fall apart in the early stages by not understanding what is really going on. I've noticed in the past a lot of guys meet a FSW, it's great to start with then all of a sudden goes south because they didn't really understand FSW and the way things are out there, ie Wall, dog issue, etc Yet often there seems to be an almost disproportionate hostility from some members in here over my discussions on here. I mean can some members calm down a bit and not get quite so hostile.

)))  Ah, now Trench is doing all this for the good of others ?

Look, when you first started - you had the usual responses - offering help and encouragement - but , it became clear  that you had an attitude problem to women and then you started offering 'advice' to others who had not made a trip and it was clear that it was nonsense and YOU were the one that got 'angry and petulant' for being busted ..

It's ok to show a difference of opinion, I have never had a problem with Boethius even though she disagrees with pretty much all of what I say or at least questions/remarks on stuff I post.

BIG clue, there ..it goes RIGHT over your head ...    A woman - who knows the FSU - speaks the lingo and YOU think you know, better ?! ..

I just don't know why a few others can't just be a bit more calmer in there approach, the noise made isn't at all helpful in discussing the matter.

Simples : You ask for advice, then simply ignore it - make a mess of things, yet  suggest you 'know better / have learnt ' ..

HOW many times have you just pitched up in a city - without a plan - a crashed and burnt, already ? 

You are NOT Krimster - following his advice will NEVER work for you ... You aren't confident and when you try to be 'Krimster confident' you'll come across as an arrogant idiot ..


Really, I would love to be proven wrong - so ENJOY the weekend and be kind and a gentleman ..
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 11, 2019, 10:42:42 PM
Not meaning to cover old turf again. I am looking for a girl who is into me first and foremost. I'm not looking to lead with my wallet. I offer what I guess is an everyday UK lifestyle she'll either be satisfied with that or she won't. If she is not really into me then I guess she may not. The lifestyle I live is decent and not as poor as some have suggested on here.
TrenchSpeak 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

What he really means is he hopes to get the biggest bang for the smallest buck.

See how his emphasis is on the cheap flights,  flying into Zhulyany and avoiding taxi expenses from Boryspil.
How the girl has to be ‘into’ him!!! Interpret that as Trench doesn’t want spend any money on dating a woman.
The usual Trench cobblers.

Someone should write up Trench’s Theories of Dating- How Not to be successful in Dating FSUW.


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 11, 2019, 11:49:48 PM
Although he may embellish a bit I don't doubt Krimster had many adventures. But it was a generation ago and Ukraine is a very different place now (as is the FSU in general). Foreigners are nowhere near as exotic; with some women they are reviled, with others marked for exploitation. And then there are many normal women who may be open to communication but not looking for a romantic acquaintance.

I was in Shevchenko Park a few weeks ago. TC would have more luck trying to chat up the moms in the playground than college girls. And even then I get the impression he doesn't have the communication skills or charisma to woo a woman.

TC - if you're going for a weekend the best you can hope for is to line up some dates online. I honestly don't think you'll find a woman in a random street encounter.

To be honest I'm not really aiming at a college girl, I understand some posters have sound reason for not eliminating younger girls. For me though I don't think younger girls like that would sit comfortably with me, not unless they were knocking around college in their late twenties/early thirties. Some might push out a bit that direction as some do two undergrad degree's, master's degrees etc. I think blue collar or low grade (basic admin) white collar girls would suit me best. Women with kids I don't really know, I can see why they may fit in some ways.

I think there is an element where foreigners don't have the same value as we are more numerous and less novel in Ukraine than back in the 90s no doubt. Recent situation with the economy & conflict in the east probably keeps interest there I get the feeling.

Main thing is that for this trip I've decided not to line up any women online. Even after all is included it's still going to be a fairly cheap outing. I could do one the following month if I like and it not impact my finances hard. If I go for dates online then I could be forgoing time spent on the ground meeting women. I've got some stuff to go with on that front this time. Even if it falls flat I will be happy enough for a few days away knocking around doing/seeing around Kiev, even that can be handy for the future. I've been trying to learn some basic Russian so I may try a bit of that while over there. Its really just a case of giving another method opportunity to see if it works, if it I'll go back to the sites for another trip to the FSU.

My thoughts at the moment is to try a few different locations and see if any work out/work out best for me.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 11, 2019, 11:58:41 PM
Another Trechie classic .. ;)



I think there is an element where foreigners don't have the same value as we are more numerous and less novel in Ukraine than back in the 90s no doubt. Recent situation with the economy & conflict in the east probably keeps interest there I get the feeling.

I fail to see the connection....  I DO think it is clear our Trench thinks he's 'saving' a woman from Ukraine ...

IF you're so worried about saving money on flights to the FSU - there's buses to Kyiv and the Baltics states are closer ..

Or why not invest in a Russian Visa - spend hours filling in the application form(!) and you'll be a 'novelty' in the middle of Siberia?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 12, 2019, 02:06:21 AM
To be honest I'm not really aiming at a college girl, I understand some posters have sound reason for not eliminating younger girls. For me though I don't think younger girls like that would sit comfortably with me, not unless they were knocking around college in their late twenties/early thirties. Some might push out a bit that direction as some do two undergrad degree's, master's degrees etc. I think blue collar or low grade (basic admin) white collar girls would suit me best. Women with kids I don't really know, I can see why they may fit in some ways.

I think there is an element where foreigners don't have the same value as we are more numerous and less novel in Ukraine than back in the 90s no doubt. Recent situation with the economy & conflict in the east probably keeps interest there I get the feeling.

Main thing is that for this trip I've decided not to line up any women online. Even after all is included it's still going to be a fairly cheap outing. I could do one the following month if I like and it not impact my finances hard. If I go for dates online then I could be forgoing time spent on the ground meeting women. I've got some stuff to go with on that front this time. Even if it falls flat I will be happy enough for a few days away knocking around doing/seeing around Kiev, even that can be handy for the future. I've been trying to learn some basic Russian so I may try a bit of that while over there. Its really just a case of giving another method opportunity to see if it works, if it I'll go back to the sites for another trip to the FSU.

My thoughts at the moment is to try a few different locations and see if any work out/work out best for me.
Trench thinks he will can control them better if they are ‘low grade/blue collar  working women’ who will have lower expectations and will be happy to cook , clean and service him while popping out a kid or two.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: rwd123 on April 12, 2019, 02:13:59 AM
I was in a pool with two lovely naked Ukrainian women today
Neither hookers nor incest interest me.  :P

msmob - Siberia is not an option for TC. He couldn't afford the flights! A pair of front row seats at the ballet would cost more than his flight to Kyiv, everything in perspective. Not that I think theater is on his agenda.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 12, 2019, 02:29:31 AM
Trench thinks he will can control them better if they are ‘low grade/blue collar  working women’ who will have lower expectations and will be happy to cook , clean and service him while popping out a kid or two.

I wouldn't say it couldn't happen with a career girl, some could be very nice and down to earth and of course have natural chemistry. The odds though as a generalisation would tend to be that many career girls would have ideas about the guy having a certain level of wealth and social status in society. I'm not a corporate kind of guy, I'm a independent informal maybe even some what unconventional sort of guy. I think they would have trouble understanding a world other than the corporate in which you could do well but without the formalised career ladder and hierarchy of the corporate world. It would indeed become arduous for me to explain it to them each time.

A girl who is blue collar/low grade white collar on an odds basis likely to be more able to get me and my lifestyle and for it to appeal to her as a generalisation. It's a background that I am more familiar with as it is the background I am from. I've no doubt that there are many sincere FS career W out there but that while they are keen for a guy to be with them I don't think the most likihood that guy would be me as a good fit.

For my trip though while I want to hang out in some good areas for girls they could theoretically come from anywhere. I'm mostly wanting to get with the girls that have natural chemistry with me.
Title: Trench's Chicken Kiev - concepts !
Post by: msmob on April 12, 2019, 02:57:36 AM
Understatement time ...

I'm not a corporate kind of guy, I'm a independent informal maybe even some what unconventional sort of guy.

Trench this is utter twaddle .. nearly all FSU started from ground zero ..   many have a desire to achieve - even if you don't ..





A girl who is blue collar/low grade white collar on an odds basis likely to be more able to get me and my lifestyle and for it to appeal to her as a generalisation. It's a background that I am more familiar with as it is the background I am from. I've no doubt that there are many sincere FS career W out there but that while they are keen for a guy to be with them I don't think the most likihood that guy would be me as a good fit.




I'm mostly wanting to get with the girls that have natural chemistry with me.


Like you'll know that walking around Kyiv with no plan and no pre-chatting .. :cluebat:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Nightwish on April 12, 2019, 03:53:48 AM
I wouldn't say it couldn't happen with a career girl, some could be very nice and down to earth and of course have natural chemistry. The odds though as a generalisation would tend to be that many career girls would have ideas about the guy having a certain level of wealth and social status in society. I'm not a corporate kind of guy, I'm a independent informal maybe even some what unconventional sort of guy. I think they would have trouble understanding a world other than the corporate in which you could do well but without the formalised career ladder and hierarchy of the corporate world. It would indeed become arduous for me to explain it to them each time.

A girl who is blue collar/low grade white collar on an odds basis likely to be more able to get me and my lifestyle and for it to appeal to her as a generalisation. It's a background that I am more familiar with as it is the background I am from. I've no doubt that there are many sincere FS career W out there but that while they are keen for a guy to be with them I don't think the most likihood that guy would be me as a good fit.

For my trip though while I want to hang out in some good areas for girls they could theoretically come from anywhere. I'm mostly wanting to get with the girls that have natural chemistry with me.

what other types of chemistry is there? unnatural? can you please explain that to someone unfamiliar with this?

not that I think you know what it is you are looking for when you say this mantra "chemistry" over and over again, but I am curious what the other options are.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 12, 2019, 06:07:54 AM
"Neither hookers nor incest interest me. "

yeah, me neither, and that's WHY I DON'T INTRODUCE THE TOPIC INTO A CONVERSATION....
based on your single status while claiming extensive travel experience in the FSU
and no honey on your arm (not even one...)
maybe YOU don't interest them...????

look, don't bother trying to "internet fight" me...
I fight Russians for a living and I've gotten pretty good at it
you're not even worth the effort for me to swat...
so be a good boy and run along now....


Title: Re: Trench's Chicken Kiev - concepts !
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 12, 2019, 07:56:19 AM
Understatement time ...

Trench this is utter twaddle .. nearly all FSU started from ground zero ..   many have a desire to achieve - even if you don't ..









Like you'll know that walking around Kyiv with no plan and no pre-chatting .. :cluebat:

I have the desire to achieve also, but I don't feel that I can do that in the corporate world, it neither favours me or my character and is not how I feel achievement. The petty titles, silly self marketing and petting of employees doesn't interest me, I find it pointless and a turn off. I also see that in reality corporate employees are not rewarded enough but often delight at receiving the bread crumbs thrown to them by their employer. I want a girl who is wanting to work with me to achieve.

The plan for Kiev is a bit unorthodox but one I am willing to try. I've been cooped up in the UK since September of last year now so just getting some time out will be nice. I would rather give something different a go than not try and not know. When I first started of discussion on this forum three years ago now I was talking about just going to St. Pete's as a tourist and seeing if I could meet a girl naturally along the way. Admittedly as pointed out at the time by Faux Pas I think it was that unless being of film star looks I may just end up wandering the city for the duration. I think I was perhaps partly right in my approach back then but lacked the idea about how to go about it more effectively. I'm happy not to be clinging to the usual stick with the websites stuff on this to give another method the go, I am content with this.

Title: Re: Trench's Chicken Kiev - concepts !
Post by: msmob on April 12, 2019, 08:05:29 AM
I am content with this.

Most people do not like to waste time ..... You must be different
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 12, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
What is there to learn apart from me disagreeing with the best area for me to go to. Krimster said Shevchenko area is best area to head for, you say another, difference of opinion you could say. I understand there are different types of girls around depending on the area but the area you suggest is not necessarily any better for me for various reasons.
Please stay away from Shevchenko Park. It’s a place for families to go and enjoy time with their kids or just while some time away with a coffee on the benches under the trees.
I go there all the time with my kids and the last thing I’d like to see is some sleazy ‘foreigner’ in a cheap suit eyeing the ladies going about their business and wondering which one is a ‘low grade or blue collar worker’ he could try to fool and why none of them are the slightest bit interested in him.
Yes, Trench, I am talking about you.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 12, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
"Please stay from Shevchenko Park. It’s a place for families to go and enjoy time with their kids or just while some time away with a coffee on the benches under the trees."

on weekends and holidays DA! (and really is a swell pick up spot at this time BECAUSE of that very reason = singles and groups of girls are easy to spot and numerous)
on late Friday afternoon, and during work days, especially "unusually warm days" then lesser amount of families
then straight to aqua park if it's a really warm day
but stay out of the Dnepr even if you see others and they're all having fun
don't go in the river
and that's all I'm gonna say...

but the park and the Univ are just part of a long walking"circuit" I gave above
I'm Autistic, have what's called "Asperger's Syndrome"
I love to count stuff...
1...2...3...

one day walking the circuit, the super model count was 153...
pretty much all made some level of recognition display with me
I can see them but they can't see me with my dad's gold framed aviator's glasses
with obsidian lenses...

shevchenko park just brings back incredible memories
this is where I used to paint, I used to paint these very repetitious images of "Sad Goats"
and I would get crowds of people gathering around me, mostly wimmin
I would paint more goat pictures in my apartment which over time became weirder and weirder looking
I accidentally discovered a painting technique that created an illusion that the goat's eyes would "follow you" as you walked past its picture
and I started hanging these all over Kyiv
until I heard the militsa were trying to find out who I was - so I stopped!


 
 
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 12, 2019, 01:16:37 PM
I wouldn't say it couldn't happen with a career girl, some could be very nice and down to earth and of course have natural chemistry. The odds though as a generalisation would tend to be that many career girls would have ideas about the guy having a certain level of wealth and social status in society. I'm not a corporate kind of guy, I'm a independent informal maybe even some what unconventional sort of guy. I think they would have trouble understanding a world other than the corporate in which you could do well but without the formalised career ladder and hierarchy of the corporate world. It would indeed become arduous for me to explain it to them each time.

A girl who is blue collar/low grade white collar on an odds basis likely to be more able to get me and my lifestyle and for it to appeal to her as a generalisation. It's a background that I am more familiar with as it is the background I am from. I've no doubt that there are many sincere FS career W out there but that while they are keen for a guy to be with them I don't think the most likihood that guy would be me as a good fit.

For my trip though while I want to hang out in some good areas for girls they could theoretically come from anywhere. I'm mostly wanting to get with the girls that have natural chemistry with me.
Trench, you’re an ass.

There is no comparison to be made between a person from a British working class background and one from  the post Soviet Ukrainian working class.

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 12, 2019, 01:26:41 PM
There is no comparison to be made between a person from a British working class background and one from  the post Soviet Ukrainian working class.


I've told him this.  Yet he persists. (::sigh::)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 12, 2019, 07:28:12 PM

I've told him this.  Yet he persists. (::sigh::)

I don't mean on a aspect by aspect basis of course they will be different characteristics. I mean in terms of an idea of the level of poverty and what dodgy types might arise even if those dodgy types are entirely different.

A wealthy western guy will often be clueless to any idea of the type of working class FSW he is getting with. He'll have no idea about what stuff is worth, poverty, type of ways poor people act etc that is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 12, 2019, 10:12:44 PM
I don't mean on a aspect by aspect basis of course they will be different characteristics. I mean in terms of an idea of the level of poverty and what dodgy types might arise even if those dodgy types are entirely different.

A wealthy western guy I will often always be clueless to any idea of the type of working class FSW he is getting with about everything. He'll I have no idea about what stuff is worth, poverty, type of ways poor people act etc that is what I was getting at.anything
There, I made a few judicious corrections.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 12, 2019, 10:24:16 PM

A wealthy western guy will often be clueless to any idea of the type of working class FSW he is getting with. He'll have no idea about what stuff is worth, poverty, type of ways poor people act etc that is what I was getting at.

Who are you describing as 'wealthy' ?  You are no wealthier than an ave. UA family who own their own apt and might have a Dacha .  They may have a better quality of life than you ..




Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 12, 2019, 10:24:56 PM
Trench’s latest strategy.

Hang out in some ‘good areas’ in Kyiv and try and ‘get’ with some girls he has ‘natural chemistry’ with.

This should be good.  :popcorn:

Trench, no amount of strategising, theorising or fantasising is going to see you in LTR with any woman, until you change your attitude to women.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 13, 2019, 04:25:04 AM
"I was in Shevchenko Park a few weeks ago"

too cold, try next Friday when Casa Deritmo does open salsa - unless the weather's bad
lots of single girls in packs they're almost all undergads lookin for some guy to dance with, but no luck

look here's a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLI9uL2jNuE

I know it looks corny!  but that's what makes this a prime spot, its "safe" family atmosphere
also, news flash!  EVERYTHING looks corny in Ukraine... eta oo cry eena
everyone's in a more open mood in this kind of environment, drunk wimmin will just come right up and talk to you
different social rules apply here - especially on holidays and everyone had a bit too much to drink and I don't mean qvas
usually free alcohol on Victory day  - just a few weeks away, everyone's drunk by 6:00 PM


round the corner from there is Sportyvna Square and Gulliver Mall
this is one of the easiest hunting territories in kyiv
still nothin, head east to Khreshchatyk and then north

by then, you'll have past at least a million super models


BTW dewd, please do not portray me as some washed up has been who sits around tellin stories
ok, I don't know who HE is, but he's not me
like I told Jay-Low,
I was in a pool with two lovely naked Ukrainian women today
and unless you were in a pool with three then your comments are not even worthy of my ridicule

Interesting vid Krim. One question, I noticed when viewing this video that most of the guys are wearing t-shirts, ok it's warm weather but I always thought a suit or at least a shirt was the way to go out there?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 13, 2019, 04:35:02 AM
Interesting vid Krim. One question, I noticed when viewing this video that most of the guys are wearing t-shirts, ok it's warm weather but I always thought a suit or at least a shirt was the way to go out there?
Asking wardrobe advice on a forum is another indication of just how clueless you are.

Really, it’s time to call it a day, Trench.

There are plenty of ‘establishments’ in your neighbourhood or close by staffed by Eastern European women who will be happy to give you a GFE. (for a little donation, of course)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 13, 2019, 05:44:38 AM
Asking wardrobe advice on a forum is another indication of just how clueless you are.

Really, it’s time to call it a day, Trench.

There are plenty of ‘establishments’ in your neighbourhood or close by staffed by Eastern European women who will be happy to give you a GFE. (for a little donation, of course)

John, they are just wearing plain coloured t-shirts. I'm guessing many may be students and it is summer but even still I thought UM, the decent ones always dressed up.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 13, 2019, 05:48:12 AM
Who are you describing as 'wealthy' ?  You are no wealthier than an ave. UA family who own their own apt and might have a Dacha .  They may have a better quality of life than you ..

Mobe, compared to most Ukrainian families I live like an oligarch ;) Seriously even my low UK income far outstrips even the average Ukrainian family with both of them working never mind the low-income Ukrainian families. I don't need to bring out the average UM wage figures again do I?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 13, 2019, 05:54:23 AM
What kind of idiot would wear a suit in an informal setting?

You don’t live like an oligarch compared to the average Ukrainian.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 13, 2019, 06:14:39 AM
Dear Trench,

Many of us know that the costs of living are lower in Ukraine...and if you are still thinking that you will save a lady.....more fool you

Indeed, your appropriate clothing comment further proves you observed nothing useful in your previous visits
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 13, 2019, 06:55:29 AM
Mobe, compared to most Ukrainian families I live like an oligarch ;) Seriously even my low UK income far outstrips even the average Ukrainian family with both of them working never mind the low-income Ukrainian families. I don't need to bring out the average UM wage figures again do I?
What an ill informed idiotic comment.
The average Ukrainian family ( what you consider low income) has a
far decent standard of living than someone eking out an existence on poverty wages in the UK.
They eat far better than you, who thinks eating at a Weatherspoons is a luxury meal out.
How’s your Aldi bread and tinned beans tasting today?
Just because your pound goes further in Ukraine on your infrequent trips there doesn’t mean you are wealthier than the avg Ukr worker.
How long did you have to save for your dirty weekend in Kyiv, btw?   :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 13, 2019, 07:04:16 AM
A wealthy western guy will often be clueless to any idea of the type of working class FSW he is getting with. He'll have no idea about what stuff is worth, poverty, type of ways poor people act etc that is what I was getting at.

Trench, Sorry you are the clueless party.

You have no idea! I have met and spent considerable time with both working class people and those who are mini/ogliarchs in Ukraine. To even begin to compare your self to them is absurd.

Further I have seen some abject poverty in Ukraine and a fair bit in the United States (rural) To think you are understand the mentality is either naive or stupid. I suspect you will again fail and expend considerable energy blaming external factors instead of looking at your failings.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 13, 2019, 07:15:56 AM
What kind of idiot would wear a suit in an informal setting?

You don’t live like an oligarch compared to the average Ukrainian.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Elena Petrova tells me I should wear a suit at all times when in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 13, 2019, 08:00:06 AM
Elena Petrova tells me I should wear a suit at all times when in Ukraine.

Trench forget the suit.... I would have looked completely out of place and like an idiot if I had have worn a suit.  Even at an expensive high class restaurant, I wore black jeans and she wore blue. Most of the other customers wore good quality jeans also. 

I know she has an extensive wardrobe, but after a day or so she started wearing the same comfortable jeans and a shirt often. At that point clothes, qualifications, careers, social status and everything else you stress about was the last thing from our minds..... nothing you worry about particular matters, when you find a decent woman and have chemistry and an emotional connection. What’s on the outside will have no interest for her whatsoever and the same for you.

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 13, 2019, 08:13:48 AM
"it's warm weather but I always thought a suit or at least a shirt was the way to go out there?

depends on the weather, you want to look nicer than the "average bear" but not stand out
back then I had a lot of high end polo shirts in "spring" colors i'd unbutton in the front to "show off"
also a lot of short sleeve silk shirts

you want the wimmin to notice you
why do you think male birds all have bright plumage
so don't dress "men in black"ish

you want to create a "whooaaa" moment when a woman first sets her eyes on you...



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 13, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
"it's warm weather but I always thought a suit or at least a shirt was the way to go out there?

depends on the weather, you want to look nicer than the "average bear" but not stand out
back then I had a lot of high end polo shirts in "spring" colors i'd unbutton in the front to "show off"
also a lot of short sleeve silk shirts

you want the wimmin to notice you
why do you think male birds all have bright plumage
so don't dress "men in black"ish

you want to create a "whooaaa" moment when a woman first sets her eyes on you...

I always wore good quality dress shirts and button up slim fit, short sleeve shirts. With both I wore tight fitting tee shirts underneath. I had black, grey and blue  denim jackets, that were good quality with a slim cut and several other zip up cheaper jackets. Pants... I had 4 pairs of slim fit jeans in various colours. I brought a pair of Vans old school shoes and two pair of cheaper versions in different colours and some Italian leather dress shoes with a 1” heel.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 13, 2019, 08:48:27 AM
I always wore good quality dress shirts and button up slim fit, short sleeve shirts. With both I wore tight fitting tee shirts underneath. I had black, grey and blue  denim jackets, that were good quality with a slim cut and several other zip up cheaper jackets. Pants... I had 4 pairs of slim fit jeans in various colours. I brought a pair of Vans old school shoes and two pair of cheaper versions in different colours and some Italian leather dress shoes with a 1” heel.

No wonder 'K' took one look at you and suggested new clothing from the start!!! ))
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 13, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
No wonder 'K' took one look at you and suggested new clothing from the start!!! ))

Hhaaa, my daughter also seriously questions my fashion sense..... I’m not used to the cold climate. I didn’t really own a jacket before I travelled as even in winter here, it rarely gets below 15c in the day. This summer my city saw almost 47c (I was welding in a leather jacket that day)  and 300km up the road recorded 49c
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 13, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
No wonder 'K' took one look at you and suggested new clothing from the start!!! ))

Kherson girl (2nd girl I met in Kiev) was a bit like that. I wore shirts and decent fashion brand stuff but she had issue with what I was wearing, several times mentioning it. One bug bear of hers was that I wore too much black. She preferred bright colours in the main. I'm getting the impression maybe a lot of girls like that out that way rather than the dark colours we often get told is the way to go.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 13, 2019, 11:15:57 AM
Kherson girl (2nd girl I met in Kiev) was a bit like that. I wore shirts and decent fashion brand stuff but she had issue with what I was wearing, several times mentioning it. One bug bear of hers was that I wore too much black. She preferred bright colours in the main. I'm getting the impression maybe a lot of girls like that out that way rather than the dark colours we often get told is the way to go.

There were a few stereotypes I heard before travelling, that in my experience when on the ground were opposite. One was the dark colour thing. The other was the chronic alcoholism. From what I saw of middle class Russians they drank less than Australians and the last were that men were bad husbands / fathers  and never helped with the children. I saw some very romantic gestures from middle aged men and there were just as many fathers taking their kids out and spending time with them as the mothers I saw. One other thing I saw was that the people I met had a very good quality of life and definitely weren’t looking to escape their situation.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 13, 2019, 07:35:54 PM
Trench Coat, Forget the suit ~ go with Spandex swimming trunks.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on April 14, 2019, 04:55:11 AM
"it's warm weather but I always thought a suit or at least a shirt was the way to go out there?

depends on the weather, you want to look nicer than the "average bear" but not stand out
back then I had a lot of high end polo shirts in "spring" colors i'd unbutton in the front to "show off"
also a lot of short sleeve silk shirts

you want the wimmin to notice you
why do you think male birds all have bright plumage
so don't dress "men in black"ish

you want to create a "whooaaa" moment when a woman first sets her eyes on you...
+1When i see how many westerners are dressed, it's getting worse year after year.
And the forget the whooaa factor when they meet a woman, an FSU are even more conservative on this topic
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 14, 2019, 05:43:48 AM
+1When i see how many westerners are dressed, it's getting worse year after year.
And the forget the whooaa factor when they meet a woman, an FSU are even more conservative on this topic

The girl I was with definitely had an idea of fashion/clothing a lot different to me and seemed to view my dress sense with disdain. I dress mainly in darker colours which I see as subdued and refined if you will so somewhat conservative in terms of colour scheme and look even. Now I know some guys in the UK particularly the young crowd may dress in bright colour but overall I would say it's mainly darker colours. I generally thought I was dressed very reasonably and spent a bit of money doing so. So you can imagine my surprise when the girl had issue with my choice of clothing.

So I'm guessing you are in agreement with Krimster then Pay that it is the brighter colours that are the way to go?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Patagonie on April 14, 2019, 07:13:21 AM
The girl I was with definitely had an idea of fashion/clothing a lot different to me and seemed to view my dress sense with disdain. I dress mainly in darker colours which I see as subdued and refined if you will so somewhat conservative in terms of colour scheme and look even. Now I know some guys in the UK particularly the young crowd may dress in bright colour but overall I would say it's mainly darker colours. I generally thought I was dressed very reasonably and spent a bit of money doing so. So you can imagine my surprise when the girl had issue with my choice of clothing.

So I'm guessing you are in agreement with Krimster then Pay that it is the brighter colours that are the way to go?
We can not summarize the question "how to dress" for a man around bright/dark colors. I would advise you to ask to a pro a make a relooking wordshop, providing 2000$ at least for such purpose.
Many time first men don't wear clothes that don't fit them (too large, shirt outside the trouser...).
Come back in the first pages of my trip report "operation white panther" and you will have many photos of possible outfits with different clothes and shoes.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 14, 2019, 08:23:46 AM
We can not summarize the question "how to dress" for a man around bright/dark colors. I would advise you to ask to a pro a make a relooking wordshop, providing 2000$ at least for such purpose.
Many time first men don't wear clothes that don't fit them (too large, shirt outside the trouser...).
Come back in the first pages of my trip report "operation white panther" and you will have many photos of possible outfits with different clothes and shoes.

Thanks Pat, yeah the at least one size too large used to be the mistake I used to make, thinking comfort but neglecting look. Looking back it really didn't look that good wearing stuff way beyond the exact size it would of been. I've noticed some peeps make the opposite mistake, particularly those with a bit of a belly wear they've gone one size too small highlighting all the not so sightly stuff they should have hidden a bit more with a size larger. I'll take a look.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 08:29:46 AM
 
Many time first men don't wear clothes that don't fit them (too large, shirt outside the trouser...).
 


The style now is shirts outside of trousers, they are made for this purpose.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 14, 2019, 09:01:22 AM
We can not summarize the question "how to dress" for a man around bright/dark colors. I would advise you to ask to a pro a make a relooking wordshop, providing 2000$ at least for such purpose.
Many time first men don't wear clothes that don't fit them (too large, shirt outside the trouser...).
Come back in the first pages of my trip report "operation white panther" and you will have many photos of possible outfits with different clothes and shoes.
Patagonie, you are asking Trench to spend money.

You should know by now that Trench is the ultimate Scrooge and asking him to part with his cash is  :deadhorse:
I’m sure he gets his wardrobe from the top end Charity shops.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 10:41:54 AM

The style now is shirts outside of trousers, they are made for this purpose.


That depends on the style and the event.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
I had black, grey and blue denim jackets, that were good quality with a slim cut and several other zip up cheaper jackets.


Gosh... Denim jackets! Don't get me wrong, I still own 2 or three of them - and loved the times when they were considered fashionable! - but aren't these times already gone?


Davo, may I ask you: what age group are you aiming at?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 11:12:56 AM

That depends on the style and the event.


This post was composed without the aid of google.


That is true but it is more popular now. Sure some events are suits or formal wear.
There was a time dress shirts were only made to be tucked in.


This post was composed solely without aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 11:18:32 AM

Gosh... Denim jackets! Don't get me wrong, I still own 2 or three of them - and loved the times when the were considered fashionable! - but aren't these times already gone?


No, they are not, however, some fashion "police" believe they shouldn't be worn by anyone over 40.  Although the monochromatic look can work, denim looks best, I think, when mixed up a bit.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 11:21:21 AM

That is true but it is more popular now. Sure some events are suits or formal wear.
There was a time dress shirts were only made to be tucked in.

I think dress shirts are always tucked in.  But yes, shirts are now made to not be tucked.  Any short sleeved shirt should not be tucked in.  Any shirt with tails should be, although you do see men committing the faux pas of wearing tailed shirts untucked.  The keys should be the event, and the type of shirt.

Quote
This post was composed solely without aid of google.

Oh, did posters also accuse you of googling all your posts?  I post this so that those individuals can see exactly how often I rely on google. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 14, 2019, 11:52:05 AM

The style now is shirts outside of trousers, they are made for this purpose.

It is a 'style' for fat gits ....



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 11:59:59 AM
Not necessarily.  Our older son is 6' and weighs, soaking wet, 130 lbs.  He wears almost everything untucked, unless he's wearing a suit.  I think this is the trend, particularly with younger men, but when I see it, it's always straight hemmed shirts, or short sleeved shirts.


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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
Although the monochromatic look can work, denim looks best, I think, when mixed up a bit.


I personally find monochromatic look boring...
...and denim surely looks best when mixed up with something else. E.g. jeans + shirt + jacket of another material \ fabric.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 12:15:31 PM
It is a 'style' for fat gits ....


If you think that, you must be a fat git or you have no style!!! )))
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 12:17:35 PM

Oh, did posters also accuse you of googling all your posts?  I post this so that those individuals can see exactly how often I rely on google. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Just a tease, relax, I too don't rely on google. And we ALL know everything on internet is COMPLETELY true.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 12:20:55 PM
I think dress shirts are always tucked in.  But yes, shirts are now made to not be tucked.  Any short sleeved shirt should not be tucked in.   

This post was composed without the aid of google.

It depends on the cut, there are many dress shirts made to be untucked. Now if you wear a tie, that is different ))

The event should be the reason your attire should match.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 12:22:50 PM
By dress shirts, I mean something formal - button up, intended to be worn with a jacket.  Cotton shirts untucked with a jacket always look sloppy.  If you don't want to tuck in the shirt, wear a t-shirt.


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Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 12:31:37 PM

Gosh... Denim jackets! Don't get me wrong, I still own 2 or three of them - and loved the times when they were considered fashionable! - but aren't these times already gone?


Davo, may I ask you: what age group are you aiming at?

I think you’re r thinking of the blue denim jackets we all wore in the 80’s (I was 13 in 1990).... They have come a long way since then in cut and style. Most major men’s brands are making versions for all ages. You’re probably walking past men all the time and not realising they are wearing denim due to the colours and style. A few of the brands I have are mossimo, and surf brands Quick Silver and Rusty

I wasn’t looking for any age group in particular I here due to one woman, the same age as me.

I’m 43 and 2 years ago I met a Russian woman online with the view of her teaching me German and me helping her with more advanced English..... one thing lead to another we spent the last 3 weeks together and got on great.

Title: Denim jackets
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2019, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: Davo

A few of the brands I have are mossimo, and surf brands Quick Silver and Rusty.



Never heard of such a brand as "Mossimo"... could it be you're mixing it up with "Moschino"?

Quote from: Davo

I’m 43

Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 12:48:13 PM


I’m 43 and 2 years ago I met a Russian woman online with the view of her teaching me German and me helping her with more advanced English..... one thing lead to another we spent the last 3 weeks together and got it on great.


Informative, just added a couple letters.....is it more factual? lol
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
On the shirt issue..... if you buy a good quality slim fit dress shirts, many are designed not to tuck in and don’t extend much past the belt line (forget it if you have a dad bod!!)

I keep up with men’s fashion in their 40’s, you aren’t trendy if you tuck a shirt in during casual situations anymore and semi formal, but look even worse if you leave a long shirt untucked.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 12:52:12 PM
Informative, just added a couple letters.....is it more factual? lol


Hhhaaa.... thanks
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
On the shirt issue..... if you buy a good quality slim fit dress shirts, many are designed not to tuck in and don’t 

I keep up with men’s fashion in their 40’s, you aren’t trendy if you tuck a shirt in during casual situations anymore and semi formal, but look even worse if you leave a long shirt untucked.




Never wear any long shirts anymore, untucked dress shirts just below belt line, just high enough to let the wimmen know you're interested....
Title: Re: Denim jackets
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 12:57:24 PM


Never heard of such a brand as "Mossimo"... could it be you're mixing it up with "Moschino"?


Ah, I see.

Maybe it’s not sold in Russia. I saw Quick Silver sold in high end stores, but a lot more expensive than home.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossimo
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 14, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
most guys (myself included) aren’t too highly interested in fashion
and there’s a reason for that...
in my family the only exception to that was my cousin David who was a very famous haute couture fashion photographer - and EXTREMELY gay

high end clothing stores will have personal consultants to help you if you don’t have a female friend to guide you....

female friends are ESSENTIAL
once more
female friends are ESSENTIAL

they can totally fill you in on EVERYTHING

everything I know ABOUT women
I learned FROM women

how to dress for them
how to behave for them
what my good physical points are and what my bad ones are
how to accentuate the good points and conceal the bad ones

and then there’s sex...

guys you REALLY want to get good at sex?
look for a lonely less attractive woman, and aim for a casual relationship with her
i.e. no dating, just sex...
older women can teach you a lot of “sex hacks” and will be pretty happy for the opportunity to do so!

in Ukraine, a lot of guys will not pleasure a woman “orally”
so a lot of young women have never even had the experience of being on the receiving end
let alone experience an orgasm this way

if you do “third date sex” this way, it will be COMPLETELY unexpected
if I ever need a kidney donor, this is how I’d get one, cuz after you do this for a woman, she’ll give up a kidney no problem
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 01:07:17 PM


Never wear any long shirts anymore, untucked dress shirts just below belt line, just high enough to let the wimmen know you're interested....

I don’t anymore either since my soon to be 20 year old daughter gave me some fashion tips... it seems I’m the cool dad now😉

I don’t skimp on shirts, you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 14, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
most guys (myself included) aren’t too highly interested in fashion

Krim you’re married, if you have spent a few years in the competitive world of local dating, you don’t have much choice if you want to make an impression. It’s the first thing women look at.

I agree 100% on the female friend advice. I have a handful of close single female friends and chat most days. They give me advice on many topics, you can’t discuss with your male friends.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=23570.msg508171#msg508171 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=23570.msg508171#msg508171)

I think you are correct about North Americans to a degree, not so much about European men.  About 15 years ago, there was a website titled "gay or eurotrash? that played on this stereotype (though not so well dressed), but I think there is some truth in it.  I saw the most beautiful men on the Paris metro, on their way to work, in slim cut suits and scarves, the latter of which men rarely wear where I live (the better half, who has a real European style of dressing, or as the kids say, "FOB", and our older son are exceptions).  I don't give the better half advice on how to dress.   I also think younger men (in their twenties) are better at this, because they've grown up in less gender conforming roles.

http://www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/gaydar.html (http://www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/gaydar.html)

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 14, 2019, 01:20:06 PM
no I'm aware
but I myself have ZERO fashion sense
something I used to depend on female friends for
now my wife and oldest daughter handle that for me
they know it'd be a disaster if I made such decisions
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: ML on April 14, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
Actually, I help women buy clothes.  And I am not that gay . . . although I do have good humor.

I buy most of wifey's clothes, and especially her underwear.

Recently saw a closeout sale on matching bras and panties.
Good quality sexy stuff.
Bought her 10 different sets in various colors.

When she goes into shower before our encounter, I lay out a new set on her dressing chair.
She likes it a lot and wonders how many more colors there are to go.
Title: Underwear
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2019, 02:39:39 PM
I buy most of wifey's clothes, and especially her underwear.

...and you can even guess the size and the styles she likes correctly? Wow!  :clapping:



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 14, 2019, 03:19:45 PM
By dress shirts, I mean something formal - button up, intended to be worn with a jacket.  Cotton shirts untucked with a jacket always look sloppy.  If you don't want to tuck in the shirt, wear a t-shirt.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Says the high school headmistress :crackwhip:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
And yet you continue to fail, dismally.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: BdHvA on April 14, 2019, 06:32:39 PM
And yet you continue to fail, dismally.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

TC, despite all your pontificating you have nothing to show for it. Far more distressing you ignore advice that might assist you. You have stereotypes that have no basis in current reality and a sense of entitlement.

So the odds are most likely again you will fail and again you will spend the summer making excuses on RWD. Way to go chump! 
Title: Re: Underwear
Post by: LAman on April 14, 2019, 09:18:43 PM
...and you can even guess the size and the styles she likes correctly? Wow!  :clapping:


ML has no problem, he normally gets the 'one size fits all'
Title: Re: Underwear
Post by: JayH on April 14, 2019, 11:02:24 PM

ML has no problem, he normally gets the 'one size fits all'

A bit like the "advice" some offer here !! :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Underwear
Post by: msmob on April 15, 2019, 02:02:39 AM
...and you can even guess the size and the styles she likes correctly? Wow!  :clapping:


Size, no problem ..

 'Style' .... harder ;)

Title: Women's underwear
Post by: ML on April 15, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
...and you can even guess the size and the styles she likes correctly? Wow!  :clapping:

I don't have to guess her sizes.

We have been together many years and she has previously tried-on different sizes of all types of USA clothing.

As to styles, I was referring to underwear I bought for her to wear specifically for our intimate get-togethers.  Since men are visual sexual creatures, the style was probably most important to me.

Actually she has so far been thrilled with about 95% of the intimate and outer clothing that I have purchased for her.  The 5% I have returned or she has taken to Ukraine to give to family/friends that she says would look better in such.

Also, she is very reluctant to spend money (there are some exceptions in rare instances), so it is up to me to buy anything 'expensive.'
I remove all price tags and, when it is clear the item would be very, very expensive, even tell her the items were on sale at a big discount.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 15, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
"I was referring to underwear I bought for her to wear specifically for our intimate get-togethers."

she wears underwear?
my wife goes commando!
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: ML on April 15, 2019, 10:35:16 AM
"I was referring to underwear I bought for her to wear specifically for our intimate get-togethers."

she wears underwear?
my wife goes commando!

Try it with her panties still on.

It will test your 'strength.'
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: LAman on April 15, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
Try it with her panties still on.

It will test your 'strength.'

Which reminds me of an Adam and Eve joke....


What did Adam and Eve wear???

Eve wore a fig leaf and Adam wore a hole through it!!!
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 16, 2019, 01:48:47 AM
There should be a thread about men buying their loved one's clothes and lingerie..

Too many guys are too scared to try.

It is not hard to figure out some's size..  Ask... and if she askes why..wink...

If you buy something and she doesn't like it....make sure you ask her to be honest..as you might make the same mistake, next time...

In the earliest days.. buy a pair of leather gloves, a cashmere / silk  scarf and work up...

Fashion shows are fun..

Title: Re: Women's underwear
Post by: Patagonie on April 16, 2019, 02:34:09 AM
I don't have to guess her sizes.

We have been together many years and she has previously tried-on different sizes of all types of USA clothing.

As to styles, I was referring to underwear I bought for her to wear specifically for our intimate get-togethers.  Since men are visual sexual creatures, the style was probably most important to me.

Actually she has so far been thrilled with about 95% of the intimate and outer clothing that I have purchased for her.  The 5% I have returned or she has taken to Ukraine to give to family/friends that she says would look better in such.

Also, she is very reluctant to spend money (there are some exceptions in rare instances), so it is up to me to buy anything 'expensive.'
I remove all price tags and, when it is clear the item would be very, very expensive, even tell her the items were on sale at a big discount.
Respect ML  :clapping:
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 16, 2019, 02:51:13 AM
I buy a lot of my wife’s clothes, both everyday stuff and more high end stuff, evening wear and underwear.
Very rarely do I get it wrong.
She’s not shy of telling people who bought the clothes.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 16, 2019, 04:59:41 AM
Ok, somehow this topic has drifted on women's underwear, interesting how some of our minds think ;)

Anyway, back to me :) I am in need of my evenings/nights filling while in Kiev, assuming I have not already found someone. Anyone know of some good nightclubs/bars to go to for women?

I've been to the Skybar (nightclub) before and that rocked pretty awesome. I'm not sure how effective it might be as a pick up place though for the impression people were already in couples, family groups there a bit.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 09:19:54 AM
Ok, well I've got my room booked now, did it through ebookers and with my ebookers member discount and saved coupon discount of from previous hotel stays I managed to get the room for just under £30 a night :) It looks quite a decent place near Shevchenko Park, I'll let you know of it after my stay and my thoughts on it ;) I decided to stick with that for this trip as it's a nice area near the station without being so close as to be on top of it.

I decided that I can just travel to other locations should Shevchenko area prove not to be ideal for me. Some other parts of Kiev are not that great looking or ideal for finding women so I decided to stick to areas I like this time. So with airport parking sorted all pretty much set to go :)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 10:35:43 AM
FFS

Tell us what places are 'good' for looking for a FSU wife...


Most normal blokes visit sites where ladies give a clear signal they are interested..

Wandering around aimlessly with your 'social skills' ....?...

You are wasting your time and cyberspace..



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 11:03:30 AM
FFS

Tell us what places are 'good' for looking for a FSU wife...


Most normal blokes visit sites where ladies give a clear signal they are interested..

Wandering around aimlessly with your 'social skills' ....?...

You are wasting your time and cyberspace..

What like bars and nightclubs?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 29, 2019, 11:11:18 AM
Ok, well I've got my room booked now, did it through ebookers and with my ebookers member discount and saved coupon discount of from previous hotel stays I managed to get the room for just under £30 a night :) It looks quite a decent place near Shevchenko Park, I'll let you know of it after my stay and my thoughts on it ;) I decided to stick with that for this trip as it's a nice area near the station without being so close as to be on top of it.

I decided that I can just travel to other locations should Shevchenko area prove not to be ideal for me. Some other parts of Kiev are not that great looking or ideal for finding women so I decided to stick to areas I like this time. So with airport parking sorted all pretty much set to go :)
So Trench is going to go perving in Shevchenko Park on the say so of that other numpty here.
It’s a good job I’m not in Kyiv or I might get hold of Trench and kick his arse downhill all the way to Bessarabskaya.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 11:23:50 AM
What like bars and nightclubs?

So, you think such places are a place to find a wife?...

I have news for you...  Most ladies who go clubbing in packs are there to dance and have a good time...NOT to find a Brit who is clueless about how to socially interact ..

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
FFS

Tell us what places are 'good' for looking for a FSU wife...


Most normal blokes visit sites where ladies give a clear signal they are interested..

Wandering around aimlessly with your 'social skills' ....?...

You are wasting your time and cyberspace..

You are the one who said the above, so what sites in your opinion should I go too?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Nightwish on April 29, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
You are the one who said the above, so what sites in your opinion should I go too?

you are looking for a single woman without child, and you aim to find them sitting around parks in Kyiv just waiting for you to come up and chat with them?
Or could you tell some more on how you intend to do this, what approach?

I know there is a lot of single women in Kyiv in early to mid thirties, I could introduce you to a dozen tomorrow if I wanted to, but to my knowledge I never heard them saying "oh today I am going to the park alone"
Not that I understand everything they say to my girl when they speak Russian, but I sort of get the essence of the conversation most often explained to me after.

but that sort of talk I have never heard, so.. how will you find women? How will you approach them?
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 12:19:29 PM
You are the one who said the above, so what sites in your opinion should I go too?

You are indeed inattentive ..

I was referring to your "no plan, and see what turns up"  and your suggesting bars and nightclubs would be your 'methodology '

Dating sites are what NORMAL guys use to line up at least one  lady who may actually be seeking a partner
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 12:20:22 PM
you are looking for a single woman without child, and you aim to find them sitting around parks in Kyiv just waiting for you to come up and chat with them?
Or could you tell some more on how you intend to do this, what approach?

I know there is a lot of single women in Kyiv in early to mid thirties, I could introduce you to a dozen tomorrow if I wanted to, but to my knowledge I never heard them saying "oh today I am going to the park alone"
Not that I understand everything they say to my girl when they speak Russian, but I sort of get the essence of the conversation most often explained to me after.

but that sort of talk I have never heard, so.. how will you find women? How will you approach them?

I have some methods to run with, that's all I'll say, they will either work or they won't but I'm happy to take the gamble.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 12:25:27 PM
You are indeed inattentive ..

I was referring to your "no plan, and see what turns up"  and your suggesting bars and nightclubs would be your 'methodology '

Dating sites are what NORMAL guys use to line up at least one  lady who may actually be seeking a partner

While I'm lining up dates with women who I may or most likely may not have chemistry with I'm not spending time where I may find girls where I do have natural chemistry. I'm willing to give Krimster's suggestion a go on this one and give the dating sites that most Normal guys use and see if I can do better. I won't hold it against him if I don't, its my decision to try it this way. I'm not going to give into fear and use dating sites though, this three whole day complete trip is about giving it over entirely to another method. So no online geeking for me on this one ;)   
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Nightwish on April 29, 2019, 12:27:46 PM
I have some methods to run with, that's all I'll say, they will either work or they won't but I'm happy to take the gamble.
(http://media3.giphy.com/media/jFJW3hOGQgTUk/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cc74f977a31723159adcdae&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 29, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
why not do both, and see which one works best...

I'm thinking that for you, the step that is the most difficult,
is from eye contact to first verbal exchange...
am I right??

if so, what you wanna do is go to a "market" on a saturday
and "hussle" girls in the market
look perplexed, ask them about spices, for example
the girls who really don't engage in dialog, just pass them by...
but some will be interested in talking with you
you invite them to lunch....
advise you to start on an empty stomach
hunger will force you towards success
to acquire a lunch partner or starve

if you were my son, this is how I would train you!
coaxing girls in the super market to come to lunch with you
I had a 50% success average, I doubt ANYONE on this board could beat it!!!


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 12:45:32 PM
While I'm lining up dates with women who I may or most likely may not have chemistry with I'm not spending time where I may find girls where I do have natural chemistry. I'm willing to give Krimster's suggestion a go on this one and give the dating sites that most Normal guys use and see if I can do better. I won't hold it against him if I don't, its my decision to try it this way. I'm not going to give into fear and use dating sites though, this three whole day complete trip is about giving it over entirely to another method. So no online geeking for me on this one ;)

Utter TWADDLE

1/ you ain't confident, like Krmmster

2/ Krimster's experiences that so 'influence' you are from a time a westerner gained a LOT more attention

You're just going to come across as a twat or a perv...

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 12:48:57 PM

if you were my son, this is how I would train you!
coaxing girls in the super market to come to lunch with you
I had a 50% average, I doubt ANYONE on this board could beat it!!!

Kind of hard to prove / disprove - but I reckon most half good-looking, confident guys could pull easily in the early noughties.. such was the fascination for things different



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 29, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
back then, I could walk into a room full of Ukrainian women, and the room would go silent...
and I would stare self-consciously at the floor...

I still found it EASY to approach women as late as last year!
and had random 30ish women touch me in conversation and follow me around to "talk" with me...
I had to stop receiving ALL the female attention so as to not get my wife annoyed at me...
several times some of the women got really "carried away" and they were going to fight over me
I'm not BSing you...
it was Amazing!!!
these are women at their SEXUAL PEAK and they're just begging me...
but I had to turn it ALL down...

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 02:26:03 PM
why not do both, and see which one works best...

I'm thinking that for you, the step that is the most difficult,
is from eye contact to first verbal exchange...
am I right??

if so, what you wanna do is go to a "market" on a saturday
and "hussle" girls in the market
look perplexed, ask them about spices, for example
the girls who really don't engage in dialog, just pass them by...
but some will be interested in talking with you
you invite them to lunch....
advise you to start on an empty stomach
hunger will force you towards success
to acquire a lunch partner or starve

if you were my son, this is how I would train you!
coaxing girls in the super market to come to lunch with you
I had a 50% success average, I doubt ANYONE on this board could beat it!!!

Thanks Krimster, that gives me another option to go with. I think for this journey I'll play it solely on the ground. I can always go again and mix the ground option as a back up/spare moment thing. I think if I were to mix it this time I wouldn't really give the ground option a good go.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: ML on April 29, 2019, 02:27:33 PM

if so, what you wanna do is go to a "market" on a saturday
and "hussle" girls in the market
but some will be interested in talking with you
you invite them to lunch....


So what will they do with perishables while lunching with you ??
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: krimster2 on April 29, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
"So what will they do with perishables while lunching with you ??"


usually, you ask someone you bought something from to keep it their cold storage until you return and you slip them an extra 10...
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 29, 2019, 05:51:41 PM
Utter TWADDLE

1/ you ain't confident, like Krmmster

2/ Krimster's experiences that so 'influence' you are from a time a westerner gained a LOT more attention

You're just going to come across as a twat or a perv...

Nothing wrong with being a perv Mobe, it's an art form in itself :P
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: msmob on April 29, 2019, 10:08:00 PM
Indeed, that you would consider that a ' humourous riposte' says it all.....

You will spend a lot of time thinking why isn't this working out for you....when the answer was close at hand


Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Davo on April 30, 2019, 02:01:08 AM
Trench, I have some advice, straight from the horses mouth......

“You know a man should be a conqueror. You came, saw and won”



Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: John Gaunt on April 30, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
Indeed, that you would consider that a ' humourous riposte' says it all.....

You will spend a lot of time thinking why isn't this working out for you....when the answer was close at hand
I think the answer will be his hand as he won’t be pulling anytime soon.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 15, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
TC,

Are you going to Kyiv or has this fizzled out?

I just booked an extended weekend flight for June.  Fly in on Thursday from Boston, fly back on Monday.

Let me know if you're actually going.  I might take a swing by Shevchenko park.

Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 15, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
I think the answer will be his hand as he won’t be pulling anytime soon.

Lol, very funny JG, well the trip is all about trying out a different method. I'm not counting on anything with it.
Title: Re: Chicken Kiev Weekend
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 15, 2019, 02:59:11 PM
TC,

Are you going to Kyiv or has this fizzled out?

I just booked an extended weekend flight for June.  Fly in on Thursday from Boston, fly back on Monday.

Let me know if you're actually going.  I might take a swing by Shevchenko park.

I won't be there in June, the idea of the trip is spending three full days to try out a different method. I'll update when I can on it :)