The best path to take...

[hynnilau]

Well I am seeking information far ahead of time.

Basically, I meet a Russian lady in October this year online and I will be going to visit her in February next year.
We are in contact daily by email or Skype.

I have been researching as much information as possible, to form as much evidence as possible for any Visa applications in the future.

From my understanding, Prospective marriage visa is the best path to take.
Basically the objective will be to get her to Australia as quickly as possible.

There was thought of a tourist visa but with some research I have realized that there can be a no further stay restriction meaning we could not marry in Australia and then apply for a spouse visa.

The other option would be to marry in Russia, but this requires a 12 month worth of relationship evidence.

I have a few questions on top of all this.

Is there a minimum time required together before applying for a PMV?

If we were to marry in Russia would this help or hinder the process of a PMV?

Do you think immigration would see this as false information? Marrying in a Russia and then apply for a PMV and not a Spouse via?

Cheers in advance.

[Patagonie]

Well I am seeking information far ahead of time.

Basically, I meet a Russian lady in October this year online and I will be going to visit her in February next year.
We are in contact daily by email or Skype.

I have been researching as much information as possible, to form as much evidence as possible for any Visa applications in the future.

From my understanding, Prospective marriage visa is the best path to take.
Basically the objective will be to get her to Australia as quickly as possible.

There was thought of a tourist visa but with some research I have realized that there can be a no further stay restriction meaning we could not marry in Australia and then apply for a spouse visa.

The other option would be to marry in Russia, but this requires a 12 month worth of relationship evidence.

I have a few questions on top of all this.

Is there a minimum time required together before applying for a PMV?

If we were to marry in Russia would this help or hinder the process of a PMV?

Do you think immigration would see this as false information? Marrying in a Russia and then apply for a PMV and not a Spouse via?

Cheers in advance.

I reformulate your message :
"Basically, I meet a Russian lady in October this year online and I will be going to visit her in February next year.
We are in contact daily by email or Skype."

Good guy, good news.
Tell us more when you will have met her.
If you need more informations about the travel, what to do, what not to do ask. The forum will be pleased to answer you.

[hynnilau]

Do you know why Joan of Arc was so successful?

Preparation.

[BC]

Do you know why Joan of Arc was so successful?

Preparation.

Yes, but absolutely no amount of preparation can guarantee sparks the moment you meet.

I much rather keep expectations low and be surprised if something works out than vice versa.

[ML]

Well I am seeking information far ahead of time.

Yes, about 3 years ahead of time.

Complete your first visit.

Then make plans for second  visit within the year; if all went well in  first meeting.

Then, start making plans for third visit within a year of that, perhaps a month long visit for her to your country.

Then start talking about marriage . . . not before.

[Hammer2722]

Welcome hynnilau, you are already talking about marriage and you have not even met her face to face yet? Are you serious???

[hynnilau]

Yes, about 3 years ahead of time.

Complete your first visit.

Then make plans for second  visit within the year; if all went well in  first meeting.

Then, start making plans for third visit within a year of that, perhaps a month long visit for her to your country.

Then start talking about marriage . . . not before.

I see lots of topics with it happenig in way less time than this, your blowing hot air out the rear.

[hynnilau]

Yes, but absolutely no amount of preparation can guarantee sparks the moment you meet.

I much rather keep expectations low and be surprised if something works out than vice versa.

Agree, though your assuming a lot. Pretty much like the rest of the posters.

Anything can happen good or bad.

But there is no harm in finding out information where it is put to use or not.

[hynnilau]

Yes, about 3 years ahead of time.

Complete your first visit.

Then make plans for second  visit within the year; if all went well in  first meeting.

Then, start making plans for third visit within a year of that, perhaps a month long visit for her to your country.

Then start talking about marriage . . . not before.

I disagree

[hynnilau]

Moderator delete topic please.

[Anotherkiwi]

:deadhorse:Eat a coskun

What's that in English?     And why delete the whole original post?
 
And why are you so rude to ML?  He refers to subsequent visits being within a year of the previous one, not being at LEAST a year apart!  The "within" for some people might only be a month or three, leading (perhaps) to one of the quicker marriages around.  And your last response shows that you obviously haven't bothered reading his story properly.
 
Now you're asking a moderator to delete the topic!
 
Grow up!

[Patagonie]

I see what you did here, your mad because you got to the age 50+ and no resort but to seek someone outside of your country. It TOOK you 3 years because she definitely was not convinced after such a long time.
TROLOLOL

I think you should read the story of ML to understand how wrong you are. Guy you put your feet on an airport and you want to pilot a SU31, and you have never already drop your ass in a plane, perhaps you saw few in a magazine ? And you decided to buy right the money a big plane ? 

[hynnilau]

What's that in English?     And why delete the whole original post?
 
And why are you so rude to ML?  He refers to subsequent visits being within a year of the previous one, not being at LEAST a year apart!  The "within" for some people might only be a month or three, leading (perhaps) to one of the quicker marriages around.  And your last response shows that you obviously haven't bothered reading his story properly.
 
Now you're asking a moderator to delete the topic!
 
Grow up!

I came here seeking information, not to be ridiculed on  what I am going to do with the information.

I said I had meet someone, not that I was going to marry her tomorrow.
I asked information on the best way to get 'someone' to your country it just happen to be in the same post.

And you throw around facts and I see you have been looking for 5 years plus?

[hynnilau]

I think you should read the story of ML to understand how wrong you are. Guy you put your feet on an airport and you want to pilot a SU31, and you have never already drop your ass in a plane, perhaps you saw few in a magazine ? And you decided to buy right the money a big plane ?

nice glasses bro

[Gator]

Before this thread I had no idea what the term "hynnilau" meant.  Now by demonstration we know.

[hynnilau]

Before this thread I had no idea what the term "hynnilau" meant.  Now by demonstration we know.

That was actually the most constructive response yet, at least it made me laugh.

[LAman]

:deadhorse:Eat a coskun

Got here kinda late...trying to put 'lego' with the above quote????? Any ideas??? 
 
Did anyone else notice this guy has been married for >10 years?

[jone]

ML bangs everyone he talks to on this site when the first come on here - to see if they're a chocolate soldier, i.e. melts when they go into battle. 

If you can stomach your first couple of threads, you will do well by all of us.  There are many thoughtful people on here that will save you many costly mistakes.  Having said that, I am not one of those people.  I have too much fun enjoying life.

Stick around.

Jone

[hynnilau]

Thanks Jone.

There is not a lot these old men could say that would melt the chocolate frog.
I have so far found it amusing. They remind me of the movie, Grumpy old men.

[southernX]

hynnilau

Well I am seeking information far ahead of time.

seems not everybody read this bit of your post above 

to be fully informed of all the hurdles you must jump through & the the best POSSIBLE  methods  is a good thing , as there are many , often people get into this without having done any pre reading or research on what is required of them and make unwise decisions without knowing the facts , then after some time they discover it could have been much easier if they had of done  some research  earlier on

imho the prospective spouse visa is the best way to go , if over time you get to build a strong  relationship with this lady and you decide into the future to propose to her ,
if you think that may eventuate , then i dont see anything unwise about discovering what you need to know and starting to keep a file with all your communication /contact in it , right from the begining

when i met my now wife after many other contacts/communciations with other ladys ., within aweek the strength of out connection  was so strong i decided to  keep all our stuff in one file on my pc , she did not , when eventually it escalated , she was amazed i had so much info stored ,

being prepared is much better than not , imho if you feel there is achance of something special developing & its easy to delete later if not

this adventure is an individual path , no right or wrong way , just what you feel works for you hynnilau  dont get defensive quite so easy , everyone is going to give you an opinion when you use a forum , read em all , consider em , keep what you want , discard some , its the way of forums

good luck

SX

[Daveman]

Relax everyone..


First: the gentleman came seeking visa information.. It *is* an excellent idea to learn/understand all aspects of this venture prior to making the first trip -- including the various visas and documentation/requirements for being approved.


Second: the thread will not be deleted as discussion (ahem) has already begun.


Third:  a fast track to marriage could be heaven or hell. Most would indicate that it is not such a great idea. 


Fourth: Don't know about Australia.  You'll need to wait for the Aussie members to pass by. In the USA process, the equivalent spouse visa requires evidence supporting the legitimacy of the marriage.  The fiancee' visa requires proof of an ongoing relationship and having previously met in person.  In our process, the spouse visa takes a little longer.


Fifth: One place to check more would be visajourney.com. 


Sixth: Don't really have anything else, just wanted to end with an even number.


Seventh: Guess I blew the even number thing, but 7 is cooler.

[hynnilau]

Thank you southernX and Dave.
Helpful posts at last much appreciated.

to be fully informed of all the hurdles you must jump through & the the best POSSIBLE  methods  is a good thing

My thoughts exactly.

[southernX]

hynnilau

the advice we got[from a good agent who we used succesfully ]  regards the two choices betwen getting   Married in either country or prospective marriage visa  is as below if i recall it correctly in a general sense

1 if a couple get married in russia/australia  , you need to be able to provide evidence to show you have lived together as husband & wife  or defacto for that matter for at least 12 months , unless you plan to live there or she can come to australia to study or long term visa of another variety this is very difficult to achieve , showing rental agreements , power bills , gas etc, in both names

2 a prospective marriage visa requires you both to show that you have met and you have developed an ongoing supportive relationship with each other , but not having to prove you have lived together for a year

many people think if they marry they can short circuit the visa process in australia and make it happen faster because they are married but unles you have lived in any country as a couple for 12 months  it usually wont happen until this criteria is met

however the easier way with less burden of proof, [still a lot or docs/evidence  required ] is to apply for the pfv , then when it is granted , bring you lady to australia , marry in the 9 months you have on the visa and apply for the partner visa 820/801 i think it is , this means two sets of applications over time with 2 fees,

look up the australian gov immi site and have read , lots of info on there as well

tell us your in australia or an australian living working in overseas at present looking at your avatar ?
how big is the age gap between you ?
where did you meet this lady

spew up some details ?
SX

[hynnilau]

Thank you for the Information southernx,
yes I have done a fair bit of research (for curiosity sake if nothing else.) and came to the conclusion that PMV is the best way to go if it was to all go well.

I am in my late 20's, I started talking to her on fdating.com I have been on there for a while talking to a lot of different women, I am also on a few other sites and have spotted and reported quiet a few that were obviously scammers. (Men have a particular emotionless way of typing sentences, that is easy to pick up on).

She is the same age as me and is very open, sincere she actually has a good job with a good wage for Russia.
I was dubious at the start (who would not be) but have spend hours on end talking to her on Skype and through emails and have grown trust in her but what she has told me. (things you would not just tell anyone)
Plus I am a very good judge of character.

Anyway It could go either way I am aware of this, but I do have a very good feeling about it all and look forward to meeting her and her family.

[jone]

Just curious.  How are you two communicating through Skype.  Are you using the translation program or does she know English?  (That is what you guys speak Down Under, don't you? Hehehe)

I am interested in knowing someone who is using the new translation program add-on that I have heard about.

In any event, if you are to meet her family, I recommend going onto Biki and at least spend an hour a day for as long as you can before you go.  It is amazing how far you can get with only 200 russian words.  I remember the first time I tried to spell Putesheshtvavot.  If you need something even more basic, use MasterRussian.com and start with the alphabet.

But let me know about the Skype add-on.  I'm curious.

-j

[Vasilisa]

Yes, about 3 years ahead of time.

Complete your first visit.

Then make plans for second  visit within the year; if all went well in  first meeting.

Then, start making plans for third visit within a year of that, perhaps a month long visit for her to your country.

Then start talking about marriage . . . not before.

If that had worked you and me would have been married now, lol Besides the guy is 29 and he may need sex more often than twice a year for 3 years' time

[hynnilau]

She knows English, she has an interest in Australia, our culture, history ect. She also has distant relatives in Sydney and has studied English for the past 3 years and it shows as it is rather good. She does still get confused by some words but is always keen to look them up and learn more, smart girl with a high education. ( I know I've found a diamond right). Her family also know some English, but not as good as I understand.

Thanks for th tip on learning some russian, I will do so.

@vas: I have a distinct advantage, I am young and she is the same age.
With the credentials I stated.

In my opinion and its unfortunate but older guys are at a disadvantage, I think of it from a women's perspective. I'm a Russian lady in my 20's why would I be interest (in some cases balding) older guy perhaps 20 years or more my senior? Unless it was to get out of my country. Dont get me wrong I am not saying its impossible for older and youger to fall in love but one must not ignore the facts.

Think about every girls dream it is to meeting a young handsome man in the same age bracket that has similar morals (these are the good women). The bad ones may seek money or simply to leave their country any way they can. (Which is understandable along with immigration screening processes for visa's.

[Vasilisa]

Gone

[cc3]

Aloha hinnyilau:

Could you explain why your marginal profile info states that you are and have been married for 10+ years to a Russian...and that you are now wishing to connect with another FSU woman. Are you trying to effect a polygamous relationship with Slavic women? Is that allowed in Oz? 

[hynnilau]

Yeah we can have 10 wives here..
I am up to my 7th....and 4 are up the duff.

No, when I got all these unhelpful posts I changed all my details I was even from Afghanistan. It is fixed now.

[Marian]

This thread is confusing me completely 

[ML]

ML bangs everyone he talks to on this site when the first come on here . . .

Actually, that is not true.

Do a little more research on my first posts to newbies seeking help and you will find I most always refer them to the "Pursuing FSUW 101" thread
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

But when someone comes with wild ideas, then something a little stronger may be best for them.

Some of the best (corrective) advice I received early in my professional career came with a pretty good slap.  I was mad as he!! at the moment, but never made those mistakes again.

[cc3]

Yeah we can have 10 wives here..
I am up to my 7th....and 4 are up the duff.

No, when I got all these unhelpful posts I changed all my details I was even from Afghanistan. It is fixed now.

You are an Afghan vet? Thank you for your service! 

[jone]

Actually, that is not true.

Do a little more research on my first posts to newbies seeking help and you will find I most always refer them to the "Pursuing FSUW 101" thread
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

But when someone comes with wild ideas, then something a little stronger may be best for them.

Some of the best (corrective) advice I received early in my professional career came with a pretty good slap.  I was mad as he!! at the moment, but never made those mistakes again.

I stand corrected.   Just don't run 'em off the tract before they've completed their first lap.

[TheTraveler]

@vas: I have a distinct advantage, I am young and she is the same age.
With the credentials I stated.

In my opinion and its unfortunate but older guys are at a disadvantage, I think of it from a women's perspective. I'm a Russian lady in my 20's why would I be interest (in some cases balding) older guy perhaps 20 years or more my senior? Unless it was to get out of my country. Dont get me wrong I am not saying its impossible for older and youger to fall in love but one must not ignore the facts.

Think about every girls dream it is to meeting a young handsome man in the same age bracket that has similar morals (these are the good women). The bad ones may seek money or simply to leave their country any way they can. (Which is understandable along with immigration screening processes for visa's.

... and then sometimes the handsome young guy she marries turns out to be every girl's worst nightmare.
 

[JayH]

@vas: I have a distinct advantage, I am young and she is the same age.
With the credentials I stated.

In my opinion and its unfortunate but older guys are at a disadvantage, I think of it from a women's perspective. I'm a Russian lady in my 20's why would I be interest (in some cases balding) older guy perhaps 20 years or more my senior? Unless it was to get out of my country. Dont get me wrong I am not saying its impossible for older and youger to fall in love but one must not ignore the facts.

Think about every girls dream it is to meeting a young handsome man in the same age bracket that has similar morals (these are the good women). The bad ones may seek money or simply to leave their country any way they can. (Which is understandable along with immigration screening processes for visa's.

What a stupid piece of arrogant comment. You forgot to ad "as dumb as" in you description of yourself.
You come to the forum and ask questions that are answered in numerous threads-- are you incapable to find them?Good for those that indulged  you and have tried to help-- you would be well served to read info on topic already her-- as many variations are discussed.
Mostly Australian posters on forums show good manners and respect-- and common sense.
Now to the crux of your offensive obnoxious arrogance--your presumption about  why  a FSUW would consider a "balding" guy 20 years older-- perhaps because he is mature and has grown up already-- mostly 29 yo FSUW are well and truly over having a baby as an excuse for a man.
Grow up and show some respect for those on forum that have tried to offer advice-- I note you behaved like a little cry baby and wanted thread deleted-- what a joke.

[jone]

Gentlemen!!!

There are two schools of thought by the UW's that I have met.  The first group wants to stay in country and marry their same age.  But the second group, that are choosing to go out of country, seem to not mind an insubstantial age difference in their future spouse. 

The age difference between myself and the gal I see now is just less than 10 years.  I am certain I could have gone with a bigger difference, but that is what I am comfortable with. 

For many of the men that are seeking UWs or RWs or FSUWs, the ultimate objective is to fall in love, get married and have a family.   Too great of an age difference and the chemistry for a family just doesn't work.  The women know that.  We know that.

I am just like other men here.  I would easily put myself up against someone my gal's age with great confidence that I would win her heart over the guy almost ten years younger.  And it has absolutely nothing to do with my wallet.  But simply the knowledge and maturity that it took to fill that wallet in the first place. 

There is room on this forum for both the young and the young at heart.  Let's keep things civil.

-j

[southernX]

GENTLEMEN .

at the end of the day what matters is are you the man with the right attitude she will trust , appreciate , respect and give her heart to with 100% committment ??

AND are you able to do the same in return to her ??

age , money etc all take a  back seat to the above if you are looking long term for a life partner

SX

[Eduard]

Just curious.  How are you two communicating through Skype.  Are you using the translation program or does she know English?  (That is what you guys speak Down Under, don't you? Hehehe)

I am interested in knowing someone who is using the new translation program add-on that I have heard about.

In any event, if you are to meet her family, I recommend going onto Biki and at least spend an hour a day for as long as you can before you go.  It is amazing how far you can get with only 200 russian words.  I remember the first time I tried to spell Putesheshtvavot.  If you need something even more basic, use MasterRussian.com and start with the alphabet.

But let me know about the Skype add-on.  I'm curious.

-j

I've seen skype translator in action and it's the worst translation I've ever seen. Hope this helps.

[calmissile]

I've seen skype translator in action and it's the worst translation I've ever seen. Hope this helps.

Actually, using google translate with Skype was terrible.  The other translator programs I recommended are working much better.  We use them everyday.  One thing that helps is for each party to send/receive only one sentence at a time.  It also allows you to indicate that a particular word did not translate properly so the sender can rephrase or choose a different word.  In any case it sure beats the helll out of google translate and other cut and paste translators.

[hynnilau]

@ jay: mad bro? I obviously hit a nerve here. Don't lose any sleep over it and all you have said keep telling yourself if it makes you feel better. You will still wake up in the morning and still look the same in the mirror. at the end of the day you have your opinions and I have mine. you have no idea what sort of person or how mature or immature I really am. Keep guessing baby.

@ML: what you experienced doesn't mean everyone else will experience the same.

@jone & southern: your advice is always well received. If only some of these other knuckle heads would take a leaf from your books.

[ML]

@ML: what you experienced doesn't mean everyone else will experience the same.

@jone & southern: your advice is always well received. If only some of these other knuckle heads would take a leaf from your books.

Wait a minute here!! 

What purpose is served by your comment to me.
That is like telling someone that just because apple pie is their favorite, that apple pie might not be everyone's favorite.
Well duh.

And then to add to your silliness, you praise the advice of two others,  without adding the equally applicable . . . what you experienced doesn't mean everyone else will experience the same.

I am really hurt by this discrimination and will not sleep well tonight.  I may even call my mother.   

[hynnilau]

Wait a minute here!! 

What purpose is served by your comment to me.
That is like telling someone that just because apple pie is their favorite, that apple pie might not be everyone's favorite.
Well duh.

And then to add to your silliness, you praise the advice of two others,  without adding the equally applicable . . . what you experienced doesn't mean everyone else will experience the same.

I am really hurt by this discrimination and will not sleep well tonight.  I may even call my mother.   

Ah there we go, I knew you weren't so bad after all. I laughed hard at the last part, thank you.

[JayH]

@ jay: mad bro? I obviously hit a nerve here. Don't lose any sleep over it and all you have said keep telling yourself if it makes you feel better. You will still wake up in the morning and still look the same in the mirror. at the end of the day you have your opinions and I have mine. you have no idea what sort of person or how mature or immature I really am. Keep guessing baby.
om your books.

Your maturity level is obvious in all your posts-- so -no need for anyone to be guessing.My comments all stand-- and reinforced in this post. I am not into insults for the sake of it on the internet-- but your ignorance knows no bounds.Make sure you keep us all posted here on how your life is-- my guess is that will amuse us for some time. Or will you want to do some more sooking and have thread deleted?

[hynnilau]

Your maturity level is obvious in all your posts-- so -no need for anyone to be guessing.My comments all stand-- and reinforced in this post. I am not into insults for the sake of it on the internet-- but your ignorance knows no bounds.Make sure you keep us all posted here on how your life is-- my guess is that will amuse us for some time. Or will you want to do some more sooking and have thread deleted?

Hahaha you amuse me old bloke.