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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #75 on: May 04, 2017, 04:26:30 AM »
You said Ukraine -that is what I responded to - I have been quite specific on that -to point out the obvious.
You are such a sly cretin you seek to move  as it suits you  - really -- you cant provide a link to support your assertions? Yeah right -- not that it changes my point one iota !

You seem to think you and your exposure is "superior" --I say bs and you are simply full of crap.( spread across many threads and forums_

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #76 on: May 04, 2017, 10:06:41 AM »
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #77 on: May 04, 2017, 10:57:18 AM »
I read Bill's post above with interest.

At the Cosmos Hotel, in Moscow, only seven years ago, I remember being there and a whole room off the elevator lobby was reserved for hookers.   The hall monitor would not let them up the elevators unless they were accompanying one of guests.  But it was organized crime, plain and simple.  Everyone was on the take for what these gals made.

I have stayed in many other hotels in Moscow, my favorite being Swissotel.   I have never seen prostitutes working off the lobby there.  And my visits overlap that with the Cosmos.  But if one were to go to the night club in the salad bowl at the top of the Swissotel, you can find gals to sleep with you for money, if that is your inclination.  I had them pointed out to me by the gal I was dating.  They sit at the bar, waiting for an unattached man to come by and then snare them like a spider with a web.

But Moscow is much different than other parts of Eastern Europe.  Most of the hotels I have stayed at in Ukraine do not have hookers in the lobby or elsewhere.  Same with Russia, outside of the federal districts. 

While this is an interesting thread, I will say that I use AirBNB for traveling with a companion, and stay in hotels if I am by myself or dating someone for the first time.

Keep in mind what happened to one of the guys in Odessa.  He rented an apartment and the gal used his inexperience to bring a guy to the room and assault him for his money.    Staying at a hotel makes this type of assault much less probable. 
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #78 on: May 04, 2017, 06:42:25 PM »
At the Cosmos Hotel, in Moscow, only seven years ago, I remember being there and a whole room off the elevator lobby was reserved for hookers.   The hall monitor would not let them up the elevators unless they were accompanying one of guests.  But it was organized crime, plain and simple.  Everyone was on the take for what these gals made.

Maybe I just don't notice things like this, being too innocent in the ways of the world  :devil:, but I never saw any obvious prostitutes in any of the hotels I stayed at in Russia (I stayed only in apartments in Ukraine).  However, I didn't frequent the Cosmos when I was last in Moscow (at the same time as you), so maybe I missed out on a visual treat.  8)

Keep in mind what happened to one of the guys in Odessa.  He rented an apartment and the gal used his inexperience to bring a guy to the room and assault him for his money.    Staying at a hotel makes this type of assault much less probable.

GQBlues made much the same point.  However, my response to you is the same as it was to him - yes, the guy was unlucky (and quite possibly lucky not to be killed), and there probably have been quite a few others attacked the same way, BUT, as a proportion of the total number of men who visit Ukraine (and the rest of the FSU) in this endeavour, this hardly even rates as a blip on the radar.  For every person attacked, 10, 20 or 100,000 others have visited with no problems at all (apart from those finding out that their "girl" really was Boris or Yuri - 2tallbill's "Employee of the Month").

I would even hazard a guess that the number of male foreigners attacked on the streets in the FSU is probably higher than the number lured to their fate in an apartment by a local siren.

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #79 on: May 04, 2017, 08:06:45 PM »
this debate still going on ?? :D

i definetly prefer apartments to stay in in the fsu ,
they are cheaper and better value in my experience for us and the way we like to travel over extended time periods

as for hookers and gangsters , yes there there but like all things you will seek what you look for in any place

if you dont trust your lady that you are going to visit , especially wovo , trips enough to book an apartment for you then id suggest you dont know her well enough at all and should not be going anyway lol

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« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2017, 09:30:26 PM »
this debate still going on ?? :D

i definitely prefer apartments to stay in in the fsu ,
they are cheaper and better value in my experience for us and the way we like to travel over extended time periods

as for hookers and gangsters , yes there there but like all things you will seek what you look for in any place

if you dont trust your lady that you are going to visit , especially wovo , trips enough to book an apartment for you then id suggest you dont know her well enough at all and should not be going anyway lol

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SX -- it is the point in bold that I dispute. Guys stating unequivocally that apartments are cheaper are just plain wrong. That is one of the points too many keep repeating --it is simply not true.
It may have been the case in the past - and that may be where many have got the notion from -- but today it is a flawed piece of incorrect advice.

For a guy on his first trip- the complications of an apartment can be significant  -even daunting .The surrounds and circumstances ,
coordinating arrival etc is a complication that is not needed.

NOTE -- I am talking about initial trips and  not established relationship situations -- and have always been at pains to point that out.
To me-- the idea of a girl cooking for you prematurely is ridiculous - it is not going to happen. Suggesting she come and do your washing and ironing -- oh yeah-I can see how well that would go !!  I would NEVER do that at home -- so why would I even consider that when in the FSU.Makes zero sense at all that argument.
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2017, 10:01:14 PM »
jay i have no intention of entering this long winded rather pointless debate in too much depth to be honest as it is always going to be a personal choice imo depending on many variants


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For a guy on his first trip- the complications of an apartment can be significant  -even daunting .The surrounds and circumstances ,
coordinating arrival etc is a complication that is not needed.

however i used an apartment on my first trip with ease on arrival to kiev then kharkiv , as well as hotels in russia
if you can find a hotel via , your own nous or taxi , then an apartment is in the same league imo

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To me-- the idea of a girl cooking for you prematurely is ridiculous - it is not going to happen

mine did  ;)

each to their own imo , but i always find apartments cheaper and better value than hotels for what you get and what they offer as below

http://kiev-apartmentrental.com/
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2017, 10:04:25 PM »
Round and Round we go !
 
1/ Getting an apartment  -  is probably wiser  - if you are  likely to be inviting a lady back - the reasons have been discussed - many times. - whether you find this reasoning 'silly' or not ... the idea is surely to put the lady at ease.

2/ It will likely be cheaper than the equiv std hotel - AND you can impress her with your cooking or her you - romantic !

If this is your first trip - for sure - stay at a hotel -  if you feel more comfortable.

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2017, 01:46:14 AM »
jay i have no intention of entering this long winded rather pointless debate in too much depth to be honest as it is always going to be a personal choice imo depending on many variants



SX-- and neither do I  !!

I am aiming my response at all -- not just you.
If you ( & everyone else that is so adamant)want to keep stating -- "CHEAPER" --then quote some recent examples   -- show some actual; numbers   and perhaps photos or links .
The rest of the discussion is misguided to say the least -- I am not and never have had disputed the POTENTIAL of apartments.  In my view-- all who make those arguments are talking about a prior well set up inter-action-- so it does not apply to early contacts without a LOT of prelim work.

My overall point is that a hotel is a lot less hassle for a guy in his early days in the FSU.

My objection is the exaggerated unequivocal advice  that is simply wrong .

There are many examples of guys paying way over the odds for apartments-- something that could have easily been avoided if booking a hotel and seeing comparative rates  .

On the cost -- even if the quality comparison  is very approximated and cost similar ( say within a few dollars) that is what I am saying -- so lets not get pedantic of very close costs. In my view-the better facility will be the hotel.
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2017, 06:48:10 AM »
Can't believe I am jumping in, but...


On my first trip I set up my own apartment (Olga in Odessa, highly recommended, newbies PM me for her info if you are going to Odessa or Nikolaev). I didn't ask the girl to cook for me, it just happened. She had a friend who knew English better. We went to the grocery store, purchased some food/ingredients, returned to the apartment and one hour later a large meal was prepared.


My point? If you have spent time getting to know the woman and you do your research, there is nothing unsafe about getting an apartment. Maybe I am more street smart that the average man, but I have never felt in fear in the FSU. Have we seen men attacked in their apartment? Yes. We even know of a man who was locked into the apartment over New Years because his girl had to "work" or deal with a robbery at her "work". Some people are incapable of avoiding stepping on their own dicks.


I have spent one night in a hotel in FSU (In Kiyv). It was a nice hotel, but the room was very small. Overall my preference is to stay in an apartment (for many of the reasons Bill has stated).


And Jay, you know that most, if not all, of these women are dying to cook for a man who has traveled to meet them. That is my experience 100%. Your mileage may vary.


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« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2017, 02:00:14 PM »
Let me disagree with your opinion as I do short term rentals in Ukraine for about 12 years, I do both - apartments and a mini-hotel, so a studio or a one bedroom apartment will be always cheaper than a hotel room, some of my 2 or 3 bedroom apartments are same price than a hotel room, I will agree on this.
As for me, when I travel alone I book hotels, if not, I prefer apartments.


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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2017, 08:19:07 PM »
Ari -- you can read my comments in general above- :popcorn:

On cost issues  -- I dispute that comment as being correct.
In a very specific example --it is in fact near enough the same cost  -- and in real terms can be cheaper in a hotel.
If you take into account  that breakfast is included -- it is in fact cheaper. At my favoured Hotel group it is an excellent breakfast that caters to numerous styles and healthy eating !
Now that is a current day fact !


If you take to the account that:
 - there's a lunch and dinner that are not included in the hotel price you have to go to restaurants 3 times a days if you rent a hotel
- the hotel breakfast is not an expensive thing, so you don't save a lot on breakfasts.

You should agree that apartments are much cheaper than hotels
But as I said in some circumstances I would prefer a hotel.
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« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2018, 03:28:15 PM »
If you take to the account that:
 - there's a lunch and dinner that are not included in the hotel price you have to go to restaurants 3 times a days if you rent a hotel to meet femmes ukrainiennes
- the hotel breakfast is not an expensive thing, so you don't save a lot on breakfasts.

You should agree that apartments are much cheaper than hotels
But as I said in some circumstances I would prefer a hotel.

Hi, i'm returning from a travel & as i said before hotel was my choice. 
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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2018, 10:59:35 AM »
If in transit I'll use a hotel for the convenience of a place to sleep. Otherwise, it is apartments only for my taste. Often I'm in a city for several days and as a married man I'm not there to date, but an apartment is a convenient base of operations for uploading photos, having a place to stretch out that feels like home, laundry, and I'm an above average cook so a kitchen is just so easy and comfortable.

AIRBNB has been my friend for decades and it is easy to see in advance the lay of the land including how close is a Metro station, photos of the interior, etc. I've also asked for the physical address and then taken a "tour" of the neighborhood using google maps.

I would agree with Bill and others about a 2 room if I were dating. That makes a gal comfortable in that you are not immediately expecting action and giving her the chance to become comfortable with your presence until she determines that a closer relationship is in order.

I have seen all sorts of hotels across the FSU and there remains a stigma with some hotels, and some ladies, about going inside with you. That is a simple fact and it stems to the time when the only reason an Eastern European/Asian woman would go inside was to "work" and I'm not talking the cleaning maids. Some of those attitudes are slowly changing, but it takes time.

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2018, 01:57:36 PM »
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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2018, 03:36:41 PM »
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Over to you...

OK --  first off --the requirements of a guy who is established in the area -- are quite different to the not experienced  and if already in a real life relationship

 -apartments are NOT cheaper than hotels . Yes-they can be -but it is wrong as a blanket statement. The difference in cost can be minimal

- my major point has always been -- staying where other people are around you --is a MAJOR opportunity to meet people. It forces a guy to socialise and interact .

- that compares with doing your own cooking & washing etc --- it is ridiculous to place the emphasis on that

-  I don't dispute that there is an old fashioned stigma for girls about hotels --IN SOME CASES. Chances are that she is no more likely to prematurely go back to an apartment than a hotel  --for exactly the same reasons

-in an established relationship -- it will not be an issue.Hotels have changed a lot--fact.In Ukraine- over the last 4 years much has changed.

-- most of the pro apartment only comments made here are by over the hill guys who did their interacting in another era !!

-- lastly - the flexibility of a hotel is far preferable -- you can up and leave when you choose -- as distinct from paying a week or 2 in advance and feeling stuck there !!  If  a guy does hook up and needs the" privacy "of an apartment --he can always do that on the spot if need be.
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« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2018, 05:49:40 PM »
I enjoy cooing and a larger space to live in, so generally prefer apartments. And have in the past advised to book and apartment over a hotel. That said, things are changing I feel. There are now more and more hotels opening that I have seen. At least some nice ones in Odesa. For a first time visitor it would eliminate a number of headaches and potential situations, especially if you do not speak the language.

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« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2018, 07:27:23 PM »
OK --  first off --the requirements of a guy who is established in the area -- are quite different to the not experienced  and if already in a real life relationship

 -apartments are NOT cheaper than hotels . Yes-they can be -but it is wrong as a blanket statement. The difference in cost can be minimal

- my major point has always been -- staying where other people are around you --is a MAJOR opportunity to meet people. It forces a guy to socialise and interact .

- that compares with doing your own cooking & washing etc --- it is ridiculous to place the emphasis on that

-  I don't dispute that there is an old fashioned stigma for girls about hotels --IN SOME CASES. Chances are that she is no more likely to prematurely go back to an apartment than a hotel  --for exactly the same reasons

-in an established relationship -- it will not be an issue.Hotels have changed a lot--fact.In Ukraine- over the last 4 years much has changed.

-- most of the pro apartment only comments made here are by over the hill guys who did their interacting in another era !!

-- lastly - the flexibility of a hotel is far preferable -- you can up and leave when you choose -- as distinct from paying a week or 2 in advance and feeling stuck there !!  If  a guy does hook up and needs the" privacy "of an apartment --he can always do that on the spot if need be.

Having done an apartment I would definitely chose it over hotel, there may not be a lot of different in price worth arguing about - a decent posh apartment will be comparable to a 3-4 star hotel. However, an apartment usually has a bit more space, not necessarily loads but they do tend to be roomier and more homely feeling.

With the cooking I would only countenance this if the girl was doing it ;D It gives a great opportunity to find out about the cooking skills of your girl. Let you be the judge of her cooking skills and her in the position of having to impress you. Time over again I think I would purposely get the girl to do all the coking for the week, if she's into or not you'll soon find out :D

If I was not with a girl but out in the FSU looking for one then if I've got an apartment I would go out to a nearby restaurant to eat and just get a few snacks in. I wouldn't bother using the kitchen facilities myself, way I see it just because they are there doesn't mean you have to use them. I've never stayed in hotel long enough to use laundry service which usually comes at an extra hefty charge anyway. I would use a washing machine if I had no other choice in an apartment but it would be something I would not be rushing to spend time on doing.

I would say on the initial arrival for newbies you are probably right that a hotel will be easier, had I done an apartment in my first time in Ukraine I don't think I would have known where the hell I was. On my forthcoming trip to Poland for example I will probably spend a first few days in a hotel just seeing the sights then switch to an apartment for the next week or so and go into dating mode.

I think on balance though I would definitely put the weighting on doing apartments a lot more, they just give of a lot better atmosphere than hotel rooms.

In some hotels you can get pretty receptionists, hotel restaurant staff, etc but hitting on them might get awkward if it all goes south, not nearly as bad as in the west but still I think somewhere a bit off location is usually better for that.   

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« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2018, 10:10:15 PM »
I enjoy cooing and a larger space to live in, so generally prefer apartments. And have in the past advised to book and apartment over a hotel. That said, things are changing I feel. There are now more and more hotels opening that I have seen. At least some nice ones in Odesa. For a first time visitor it would eliminate a number of headaches and potential situations, especially if you do not speak the language.

Sasha --you are now a married man-- so that can make sense !
My favourite apartment in Odesa is incredibly well located --has great views and action all around ( it is more expensive than very decent Odesa hotels) .  There are cafes,restaurants,bars literally at the front gate -- and many many more within minutes walk.

The apartment itself is of good western level,great kitchen and facilities etc .

However--  I go out for every meal ! the only exception was when a 2nd party wanted to eat in!!
Even now --there is no way on earth I would choose to eat at home ( for any meal) in preference to a sidewalk cafe/restaurant etc

Time spent interacting with people -- and the opportunity to meet more people is NOT going to happen indoors in an  apartment!! :)

A small example ( sorry Sash- I think I have told you this story previously!!) ---  It is good weather time in Odessa --  I head off to breakfast at a time most are still sleeping ( 7.30am ish) to a nice place om the main strip !
Sitting with my coffee my attention is drawn to a trio of extremely attractive girls arriving . Shortly after they were joined by a few more.
At that time --I was extremely familiar with ( id's & photos) of many girls active on the more notorious websites ( eg AD,HRB,RLM,DM & many more) and the agencies generally.

Looking ( not staring !) more closely -I recognised a couple of these girls -- and using computer confirmed it- and one of the girls had started looking at me with curiosity.

At that stage another girl arrived and need another chair -- which she asked me if it was ok to take.  I deliberately replied in English-which immediately initiated a conversation of what I was doing there etc !

So--then I am talking to a beautiful group of women ! Much laughter etc when I explained that I had recognised them etc and the girl who had been looking at me said she thought she knew me !

They had been working ( the websites chat etc) all night and were in the habit of going out for breakfast at the end of their shifts.

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.







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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2018, 12:49:41 AM »

Looking ( not staring !) more closely -I recognised a couple of these girls -- and using computer confirmed it- and one of the girls had started looking at me with curiosity.

At that stage another girl arrived and need another chair -- which she asked me if it was ok to take.  I deliberately replied in English-which immediately initiated a conversation of what I was doing there etc !

So--then I am talking to a beautiful group of women ! Much laughter etc when I explained that I had recognised them etc and the girl who had been looking at me said she thought she knew me !

They had been working ( the websites chat etc) all night and were in the habit of going out for breakfast at the end of their shifts.

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.

Nice story! so did the girls figure out you were on those sites?  that is the attitude to have when traveling.  Just talk to people and be open.

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« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2018, 01:54:39 AM »
Nice story! so did the girls figure out you were on those sites?  that is the attitude to have when traveling.  Just talk to people and be open.

Yeah-- the one looking at me first had worked it out-- mostly. Once she heard me speak  was enough.
Back then, I had registered on every site known to man !
Partly because I did research any profile that caught my attention -- and I originally wanted to know how the whole system worked. Some time before the above incident -- I had met agency managers and owners and I understood the system very well .Even so -- I still kept tabs ( by paying) on numerous sites.
I still think that the notorious sites are as good as anywhere if trying to make a connection -- but the education can be expensive !
Most of the good looking girls earn quite good money( or did) and are not in the "need to be saved" by Trenchcoat poor village girl category !!
For those that run the gauntlet of the notorious sites -- to escape all the well known consequences -- you need something going for you. 

All that said -- my current Ukrainian lady was an AD girl -- my long term Ukrainian ex was -- and is again now !!
Others ( some even posted in this thread!) have connected to their current long term wives through AD and other sites I categorise as notorious. Others we know have dropped over $20000 to get led around by the nose ! One guy -- who came to chat -- was shocked when he found out I knew "his" girl that he had paid out plenty on ! He was by no means the only one-- and I am certain many others simple deny or do not admit what it has cost them.

 Over time -- and with the help of connections -- I learnt what was more likely to be real --or not !! Even an agreement to meet - is just that and nothing more . I made it a point of not getting too excited and just see what evolved. I have met a lot -- and I mean a lot over a period of time. For me --it was/is about it being the right girl-- and not just any or a girl!

I have become friends with a lot of girls I have met -- some now married and with children . I have met real life boyfriends,husbandsfamilies and friends . Some have moved to America,Canada,South Africa and various EU countries .

For me --that is just normal life . I love people and hearing about their lives.I think  being interested in other people  is sort of a key- and being sincere.It is not something you can learn or pretend.
Australians are by nature gregarious - and warm -- I think that helps a lot.

I have literally 1000"s of anecdotes from my journey - mostly good but also a few dramas too !




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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2018, 02:38:53 AM »
interesting stuff...I guess Ukraine is known for those sites and women can earn a good income.    I stay away from all those sites and just meet them in normal life encounters.

Having had both Aussie and British roommates, and also having been on tours and traveled with them I can say Aussies are certainly more laid back and know how to have fun!  I find their temperament much more similar to Canadians than British people.

Now the real question is did you get any dates with those girls once they figured out who you were? haha


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« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2018, 10:28:54 AM »
A small example ( sorry Sash- I think I have told you this story previously!!) ---  It is good weather time in Odessa --  I head off to breakfast at a time most are still sleeping ( 7.30am ish) to a nice place om the main strip !

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.

Don't think I had heard that one before  :)

Definitely agree on creating opportunities and people watching. Especially with the street cafes in Odesa when it is nice out. Those who have never been do not realize how good it is and how easy to meet women. My wife left me sitting alone on one last Spring while she ran some errands and several women initiated conversation while I was sitting there working on my laptop. They are inquisitive.

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2018, 06:04:41 PM »
interesting stuff...I guess Ukraine is known for those sites and women can earn a good income.    I stay away from all those sites and just meet them in normal life encounters.

Having had both Aussie and British roommates, and also having been on tours and traveled with them I can say Aussies are certainly more laid back and know how to have fun!  I find their temperament much more similar to Canadians than British people.

Now the real question is did you get any dates with those girls once they figured out who you were? haha

Often after meeting I have found out that they are on--or were at some time . Pretty girls are often approached by photographers -- with the aim to "recruit" them . It has been an extensive industry in Ukraine.Girls can be involved in very little-where their photos are used ( they may be paid for using) to where they do substantial online chat time personally.Many ,many girls have been involved in some form or another. Girls do not necessarily know the downside of agencies and websites.

Canadians do have a lot in common with Australians --over time I have had quite a few working for me  and I still hear from quite a few of them .

To your question--   yes -- I did socialise with a couple of those girls. Funnily enough --the girl who was coolest and that I interacted with least on that meeting -- later  proved  to be the closest and most enduring !
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2018, 06:23:48 PM »
  While I am at it -- I  will add to the out & about meeting theory!
At the time this happened I had just entered an off period with my long term on/off Ukrainian lady  and was at a loose end on what to do next.
So -- I am sitting in McDonalds ( great WiFi & toilets !) - an easy place to be ! Now-- here is the kicker -- whenever in a cafe/restaurant or even McD's -- do not sit at a single seat or table situation-- if possible choose the largest possible !!
Why? Well- as soon as the place is full-- someone is going to ask to share with you  !! ;D

At McD's -- that has been everyone from young kids to Babushka's ! I have met numerous  people like that over a cross section of people.
On this occasion -- I was approached to use "my " table by an attractive youngish ( u-30) mother with 4 children in tow !  I indicated she was welcome and compacted my things on the table to make room.
It did not take long for her to start talking to me on discovering I spoke English etc  She had a great personality and was full of questions like"what was I doing there"? etc  I gave a very brief summary and the next minute she was on the phone .
She announced-- problem solved -her younger sister was on the way !!

So -- there ya go --it happens !  Now really -- who would choose to be stuck in an apartment so they can wash their own clothes--or cook ! No me- that is for certain !


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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

 

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