Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on September 16, 2021, 12:36:23 AM
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So I'm seeing a fair few profiles where the girl looks like a girl I could like but in a lot of her pics but not all she isn't dressed in stuff that I would like her to wear. So she would for example be wearing some Jean shorts or a mundane shirt type of top. So how to go about tackling this with her? I know a lot of FSW like directness and I kind of feel the need to be up front with her in the first message about it so as to not waste each others time. I don't want to appear rude however, to get off on the wrong foot. Some women I assume won't be willing to change, maybe some others possibly. So how best to raise it with a FSW early on?
I know some may see the clothes a woman wears here as no big deal but for me it kind of reflects her personality, who she is/who I am. So it's kind of having a girl who fits in with me really otherwise it could always feel a bit disjointed in a relationship with a girl who is another style apart from me if you know what I mean. Kind of like a Hells Angel with a Prom Queen kind of mismatch as an analogy I suppose, but different characters in my case of course.
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So I'm seeing a fair few profiles where the girl looks like a girl I could like but in a lot of her pics but not all she isn't dressed in stuff that I would like her to wear. So she would for example be wearing some Jean shorts or a mundane shirt type of top. So how to go about tackling this with her?
Some of the first pictures of my lady she looked like she was wearing a kitchen table cloth or a set of curtains from the 1970's. I didn't let it bother me and thought it was humorous and innocent.
Fathertime!
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Some of the first pictures of my lady she looked like she was wearing a kitchen table cloth or a set of curtains from the 1970's. I didn't let it bother me and thought it was humorous and innocent.
Fathertime!
Lol, appreciate the contribution FT. Idk I think back then, I'm assuming a Soviet brought up woman it kind of didn't mean a lot as in it wasn't necessarily an outward display of their personality. These days however although a woman may wear all sorts if there is a bit of a theme in terms of style of clothing being worn then I tend to see it as an outward display of their personality. Whether they are that changeable or if they would take well to a suggestion from a guy that something else might look better/be more preferably who knows?
I don't expect a girl to walk around in a silky gown dress in day to day life like on EM but some sort of casual feminine skirt or dress would be nice/preferably. While I could theoretically be attracted to any woman in person a woman wearing a pair of ripped jean shorts doesn't really do it for me. Not talking so much about getting hard but just in terms of appealing to me as someone who I would want to write to or feeling that she would fit with me.
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Sure. Tell a woman you don't like the way she is dressed, and that you need her to wear a "more feminine" dress for your jerking off material. That is how it is going to come across.
I can't believe you are asking this. Do you have a lot of issues interacting with people normally IRL?
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So I'm seeing a fair few profiles where the girl looks like a girl I could like but in a lot of her pics but not all she isn't dressed in stuff that I would like her to wear. So she would for example be wearing some Jean shorts or a mundane shirt type of top. So how to go about tackling this with her? I know a lot of FSW like directness and I kind of feel the need to be up front with her in the first message about it so as to not waste each others time. I don't want to appear rude however, to get off on the wrong foot. Some women I assume won't be willing to change, maybe some others possibly. So how best to raise it with a FSW early on?
I know some may see the clothes a woman wears here as no big deal but for me it kind of reflects her personality, who she is/who I am. So it's kind of having a girl who fits in with me really otherwise it could always feel a bit disjointed in a relationship with a girl who is another style apart from me if you know what I mean. Kind of like a Hells Angel with a Prom Queen kind of mismatch as an analogy I suppose, but different characters in my case of course.
If I were you, TC, best you wait until this gal (any gal for that matter) comes knocking down your virtual inbox door just to get your attention before venturing deeper into this matter. FWIW.
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A gal on one of my WMVM trips was a very good writer and we had good communication. But in the only pic she posted she was wearing what looked to be a too big leather jacket that made her look like a biker gal.
I had no interest in a biker gal, but decided to meet with her anyway because we had such great email exchanges. And she had actually lived in USA for a few years, so had very good English.
We agreed to meet at a restaurant and WOW . . . I hardly recognized her when she arrived.
Wearing pastel colored very classy trousers and matching short jacket with beautiful cream colored blouse. We met several times and I saw her once in the original jacket which looked nothing like a biker jacket, so the picture had just mislead me.
We had very good times as she toured me around to most all the attractions in her city.
But at some point, I cut it off with her because A) I was more attracted to a couple of other women on that trip and B) she had a daughter living in USA with her American husband and I couldn't shake the idea that this gal was mostly interested in me as a way to rejoin her daughter.
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A gal on one of my WMVM trips was a very good writer and we had good communication. But in the only pic she posted she was wearing what looked to be a too big leather jacket that made her look like a biker gal.
I had no interest in a biker gal, but decided to meet with her anyway because we had such great email exchanges. And she had actually lived in USA for a few years, so had very good English.
We agreed to meet at a restaurant and WOW . . . I hardly recognized her when she arrived.
Wearing pastel colored very classy trousers and matching short jacket with beautiful cream colored blouse. We met several times and I saw her once in the original jacket which looked nothing like a biker jacket, so the picture had just mislead me.
We had very good times as she toured me around to most all the attractions in her city.
But at some point, I cut it off with her because A) I was more attracted to a couple of other women on that trip and B) she had a daughter living in USA with her American husband and I couldn't shake the idea that this gal was mostly interested in me as a way to rejoin her daughter.
I get that she wasn't quite as bad as in the pic but her clothes style in a trouser suit was still more towards the slightly masculine side even if she still looked very feminine in it. That you still were attracted to two other women kind of tells me that although this woman came across ok that either of the other two were still nearer the bulls eye in what you were attracted too. That's what I'm talking about in basically hitting the mark with a girl who I'm attracted to/up my street in terms of dress sense that I like. So many of these women are either way off or somewhere between half there and half not.
I agree with point B though, one women I was messaging in Uzbekistan near the beginning of deciding to look for a FSW had a Mother who according to her was in the UK through marrying an English guy. She already had a kid but both her and the kid stuck in Uzbekistan. I couldn't shake the feeling that her interest lay more in getting to the UK where her Mother was and get a better education/life opportunity for her kid. After some enthusiastic messaging from her I decided I just didn't feel at ease going forward to meeting her with my thoughts as they were.
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Sure. Tell a woman you don't like the way she is dressed, and that you need her to wear a "more feminine" dress for your jerking off material. That is how it is going to come across.
I can't believe you are asking this. Do you have a lot of issues interacting with people normally IRL?
Well done Boe you've hit upon the crux of what I mean :D Yeah I can't see it going down well. My only thought to date is that if there is something she is wearing that I like I could compliment her on it but then go on to say, 'hey, but I think that would pair even better with a ...' and see if she is amenable to a little change. If not then probably best to move on. My guessing of women that are totally off the mark is that odds are they are too far away from what I'm looking for and will likely never change so better to pass over them.
Some girls can be what I could be into and not exactly tick a lot on my list of clothing preferences in a girl but in general I think most girls probably need to lean the way I like in terms of clothing style.
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Ok so I've just messaged a couple of girls on Fdate, may do more later. While I put it in a fairly diplomatic manner as I can I'm already starting to think that likely at an early stage it's probably not going to play well. There are kind of a few girls that are dressed closer to what I like, not perfect or real on the money but nearer than some others on there. I'm thinking already that it's probably easier to go for girl that are dressed somewhere towards what I like than trying to convert a girl who's a bit half and half. I'll probably knock out a few more messages for interest to see how receptive these girls are and to what I'm thinking.
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Women can dress to look different every day of the week.
A lot more important variables to consider than the way they look in any given set of pictures.
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I decided I just didn't feel at ease going forward to meeting her with my
thoughts as they were.
I sometimes wonder what events happened to you to screw up your opinions about women
so badly.
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Trench,
for someone who has posted here asking for assistance picking out your own clothing, it seems very odd you can criticize anyone else as to what they are wearing.
FTR, my wife often comes with a couple of outfits to see what I like best. I'll often ask my wife what I should wear when we go out.
You seem to be quite at a loss with yourself, incessantly starting new forum threads that add little or no substance other than maybe for purposes of self-justification, and excuses for inaction. What's next, the best brand of toothpaste?
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I am hesitant, in a way, to post this, but I think if Trench finds an FSUW who marries him, he will end up divorced. First, the majority of WM-FSUW marriages fail. Second, I suspect Trench is controlling in a way that a woman who is willing to move abroad will not tolerate.
It's not a knock on you, Trench. I do wish you success. But I see heartbreak in your future if you choose this path. I think you would, long term, be far more successful if you found a woman in England.
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FTR, my wife often comes with a couple of outfits to see what I like best.
What's next, the best brand of toothpaste?
Wife is back teaching in classroom this fall.
Each morning she comes out dressed to leave and asks me if what she is wearing is OK.
She has put on weight this past Covid year, so I have to tell her that she can't wear some of the jeans that are now 'overly' skin tight.
I also nix 'almost' see through blouses, even with fancy bras.
She agrees and changes into something else.
I tend to dress fairly sloppy looking, so a few times she asks if I could wear something else. I tell her to get out for me whatever she wants me to wear.
So we help/advise each other regarding clothing and no one is offended . . . yet !!
We use Aquafresh Sensitive toothpaste.
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Trench,
for someone who has posted here asking for assistance picking out your own clothing, it seems very odd you can criticize anyone else as to what they are wearing.
FTR, my wife often comes with a couple of outfits to see what I like best. I'll often ask my wife what I should wear when we go out.
You seem to be quite at a loss with yourself, incessantly starting new forum threads that add little or no substance other than maybe for purposes of self-justification, and excuses for inaction. What's next, the best brand of toothpaste?
I thought of posting the very same point you make, BC. But then knowing TC now, he'll like 'respond' with *well, at least I seek assistance to improve myself*. So why bother and decided to just leave him the best advice I thought of giving...which likely went over his head anyway.
I have never seen, or knew, of anyone more insecure of himself than what I've read here. So consequently, he goes and do his usual 'projecting' (to others) about imagined 'failings, shortcomings and nefarious intent of the very group of women' he sought to chase.
He's those guys who hangs out at bars, sipping their beers all night long, eyeing pretty ladies around but never ever moving to talk to anyone. Then at bar closing, and everyone else either going home, or pairing up, they're left talking amongst the same 2 AM dudes, about how the pretty women are likely bitches anyway, and they're better off going home alone.
I do feel for the guy. It's the MOB and he still can't get out of first gear.
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I do feel for the guy.
OK, but don't feel the guy . . . or at least do not tell us.
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I am hesitant, in a way, to post this, but I think if Trench finds an FSUW who marries him, he will end up divorced. First, the majority of WM-FSUW marriages fail. Second, I suspect Trench is controlling in a way that a woman who is willing to move abroad will not tolerate.
It's not a knock on you, Trench. I do wish you success. But I see heartbreak in your future if you choose this path. I think you would, long term, be far more successful if you found a woman in England.
I suspect if Trench finds a wife, he will soon be crowned with a rolling pin.
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I am hesitant, in a way, to post this, but I think if Trench finds an FSUW who marries him, he will end up divorced. First, the majority of WM-FSUW marriages fail. Second, I suspect Trench is controlling in a way that a woman who is willing to move abroad will not tolerate.
It's not a knock on you, Trench. I do wish you success. But I see heartbreak in your future if you choose this path. I think you would, long term, be far more successful if you found a woman in England.
I have a different view, but I am going to preface it with a BIG IF. If Trench
finds a good girl, then I think he would like to be controlling but it's almost
impossible for guys who have very low experience with women and low social skills
to actually pull off controlling.
In my view a good girl will figure out a way to have him wrapped around her little finger.
The chances of him finding a good girl and not screwing it up early on is the
part I give lottery ticket odds.
I think he has near zero chances in Blighty of finding a local mate.
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OK, but don't feel the guy . . . or at least do not tell us.
He said feel for the guy. If some FSUW needs to be felt up, then GQ is willing
and able to step up to the plate.
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I sometimes wonder what events happened to you to screw up your opinions about women
so badly.
I recall only recently you were the one that said that Elena of EM told girls what to wear as she knew western guys weren't going to travel the High seas to meet some plain Jane with a short dyke hairdo lol. I'm pretty sure that most guys feel that way including myself and that is what I meant here. That I couldn't meet with such a girl under that impression of her, it just wouldn't feel right. It wouldn't feel like I was being true to how I really felt so wouldn't make sense doing that. That even if we did meet it wouldn't likely go well as she would likely not be anywhere close to the girl I'm looking for.
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I suspect if Trench finds a wife, he will soon be crowned with a rolling pin.
If I got the wrong one yes I think you would be right lol.
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Wife is back teaching in classroom this fall.
Each morning she comes out dressed to leave and asks me if what she is wearing is OK.
She has put on weight this past Covid year, so I have to tell her that she can't wear some of the jeans that are now 'overly' skin tight.
I also nix 'almost' see through blouses, even with fancy bras.
She agrees and changes into something else.
I tend to dress fairly sloppy looking, so a few times she asks if I could wear something else. I tell her to get out for me whatever she wants me to wear.
So we help/advise each other regarding clothing and no one is offended . . . yet !!
We use Aquafresh Sensitive toothpaste.
This is a good point ML, I think a lot of guys don't know what looks good on them or what looks good for guys in general. It can take quite a while and some effort to discover. I think a lot of women don't know what looks good on them either from the opposite sex perspective. The situation I see with the jeans all too common, women that don't realise that just because some fashion mag says stretch denim jeans are the way to go that they are the way to go for all women no matter what.
So yes I think there is scope for both genders to admit that the other gender will likely have a better take than they do on what they wear. Occasionally a guy or girl has a keen eye for clothing of their own gender but not often I think. I for one would be quite happy for a FSW to decide what I wear so long as it wasn't screaming no to me. If it looked reasonable enough I would take it on board and probably go with it. After all I would prefer that she was more turned on not less by what I would be wearing.
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Trench, forget everything you think you’ve learnt about FSU women and online dating and make this your first day as a newbie....because in 10 years and 10’s of thousands of hours thinking about it, you’ve not learnt the basics that some newbies pick up in 10 minutes.
If you think profile pictures indicate a woman’s preference to dress conservatively or in sexy / seductive attire.....then you don’t understand how fdating works or the women using it.
Compare fdating profiles with a PPL site..... One is a scam using high quality, photoshopped models, wearing sexy revealing clothes and the other has real women who as a whole, dress conservatively. The latter dress like this for two main reasons.....
First they know to attract a genuine and intelligent man who understands FSU dating and it’s pit falls, they should dress and appear the opposite of the PPL girls, or smart men will suspect they are scammers.
Secondly, dressing in sexually provocative attire attracts more sex tourists, keyboard Romeos, abusive sexual deviants and men with he wrong motives...... All of the above men waste considerable amounts of the women’s time and emotions.
You’ve spent a lot of time on fdating and all your questions like this topic tell me, is you’ve not done enough or know how to attract and build chemistry with women, to a point where they trust you.
I’ve probably chatted with over 50 genuine women on fdating and taken a handful to Skype and whatapp to get to know them more intimately..... Almost without exception this is how it plays out once off the site (I’ll use the woman I’ve spent the most time with and built the most chemistry as an example)
K’s profile pictures were a close up head shot and a full body shot wearing her work attire (probably the least attractive pictures I’ve seen of her) ...... A plain white button up shirt with a collar and jeans.... The opposite of what you like.
During the first few weeks she sent me similar pictures.... she was either wearing her work clothes or full length dresses.
By the end of the first month her pictures were a little more revealing...... tight jeans and crop tops, exercise pictures in yoga pants and knee length dresses.
A week or two later once she fully trusted me, when the chemistry was undeniable and there was a lot of flirting, she was sending pictures of her in bikinis.....Mini skirts, fish net stockings and high heal boots.... and also come f*€ж me pictures of her in a very revealing latex dress, laying on her living room floor in a very provocative and seductive pose.
In short, you can’t tell what a woman’s fashion preference is by her profile pictures (especially FSU dating) and until you have built up enough chemistry and trust, a “good” woman who has self respect won’t show you her more sexual provocative attire or personality.
In the grand scheme of things if you had 20 requirements of a woman when your developing an online relationship, what she wears should be low on your list and once you meet in real life and have built an emotional connection, it’s not even a consideration. Most women have a huge selection of clothes from conservative to sexy and she will chose the right attire for the right occasion.
I helped a guy out with advice, I met on FB early this year. He realised he was getting scammed on PPL and lost 3k..... I gave him a 10 minute tutorial on how to use fdating and how to build chemistry, then left him to his own devices.
A few months later he messaged and had met a nice woman (on face value), 34 from Ukraine and he then went to meet her. He’s since travelled twice again to get to know her and they started the K1 process. She’s will arrive in the states early next year.
The difference between him and you is he didn’t bother with all the theory and over thinking. He smashed it out of the park building online chemistry. Got off the plane and paid attention to her personality, her relationships with family and friends and that the chemistry continued to build with no red flags..... Not once did he mention her attire, despite all in of the pictures he sent me of them together, she wore jeans and a T-shirt.
You’re not getting any younger Trench.... If you want to take this path, it’s time to stop over thinking the unimportant things and actually learn how to attract a real woman..... Atm you have a chronic case of failure to launch, compared with others who are in the same dating stage.
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Don’t take this a criticism, but topics like this highlight your lack of relationship experience with women. I’m honest enough to say, I was in the same boat after my divorce..... I didn’t have a group of experienced men to draw knowledge from, I just put myself out there and through trial and error it suddenly fell into place.
You have people here that want to see you succeed and being an introvert who struggles in real life with meeting women, you should be concentrating on mastering the online side of things. If you develop an emotional connection online first, then it will make meeting her in real life a lot easer for you.
We have private members only sections, why aren’t you taking advantage of this and the wealth of experienced men here to help you during your online search?...... Find a woman you like and let us help you with your messages and replies. There’s an art to attracting any woman online and it’s a mixture of intelligent and serious conversation, humour, flirting and building sexual and emotional chemistry..... I suspect you’re struggling with this, when I compare the success other men who are starting out are having.
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Trench, forget everything you think you’ve learnt about FSU women and online dating and make this your first day as a newbie....because in 10 years and 10’s of thousands of hours thinking about it, you’ve not learnt the basics that some newbies pick up in 10 minutes.
If you think profile pictures indicate a woman’s preference to dress conservatively or in sexy / seductive attire.....then you don’t understand how fdating works or the women using it.
Compare fdating profiles with a PPL site..... One is a scam using high quality, photoshopped models, wearing sexy revealing clothes and the other has real women who as a whole, dress conservatively. The latter dress like this for two main reasons.....
First they know to attract a genuine and intelligent man who understands FSU dating and it’s pit falls, they should dress and appear the opposite of the PPL girls, or smart men will suspect they are scammers.
Secondly, dressing in sexually provocative attire attracts more sex tourists, keyboard Romeos, abusive sexual deviants and men with he wrong motives...... All of the above men waste considerable amounts of the women’s time and emotions.
You’ve spent a lot of time on fdating and all your questions like this topic tell me, is you’ve not done enough or know how to attract and build chemistry with a women, to a point where they trust you.
I’ve probably chatted with over 50 genuine women on fdating and taken a handful to Skype and whatapp to get to know them more intimately..... Almost without exception this is how it plays out once off the site (I’ll use the woman I’ve spent the most time with and built the most chemistry as an example)
K’s profile pictures were a close up head shot and a full body shot wearing her work attire (probably the least attractive pictures I’ve seen of her) ...... A plain white button up shirt with a collar and jeans.... The opposite of what you like.
During the first few weeks she sent me similar pictures.... she was either wearing her work clothes or full length dresses.
By the end of the first month her pictures were a little more revealing...... tight jeans and crop tops, exercise pictures in yoga pants and knee length dresses.
A week or two later once she fully trusted me, when the chemistry was undeniable and there was a lot of flirting, she was sending pictures of her in bikinis.....Mini skirts, fish net stockings and high heal boots.... and also come f*€ж me pictures of her in a very revealing latex dress, laying on her living room floor in a very provocative and seductive pose.
In short, you can’t tell what a woman’s fashion preference is by her profile pictures (especially FSU dating) and until you have built up enough chemistry and trust a “good” woman who has self respect won’t show you her more sexual provocative attire or personality.
In the grand scheme of things if you had 20 requirements of a woman when your developing an online relationship, what she wears should be low on your list and once you meet in real life and have built an emotional connection, it’s not even a consideration. Most women have a huge selection of clothes from conservative to sexy and she will chose the right attire for the right occasion.
I helped a guy out with advice, I met on FB early this year. He realised he was getting scammed on PPL and lost 3k..... I gave him a 10 minute tutorial on how to use fdating and how to build chemistry, then left him to his own devices.
A few months later he messaged and had met a nice woman (on face value), 34 from Ukraine and he then went to meet her. He’s since travelled twice again to get to know her and they started the K1 process. She’s will arrive in the states early next year.
The difference between him and you is he didn’t bother with all the theory and over thinking. He smashed it out of the park building online chemistry. Got off the plane and paid attention to her personally, her relationships with family and friends and that the chemistry continued to build with no red flags..... Not once did he mention her attire, despite all in of the pictures he sent me of them together, she wore jeans and a T-shirt.
You’re not getting any younger Trench.... If you want to take this path, it’s time to stop over thinking the unimportant things and actually learn how to attract a real woman..... Atm you have a chronic case of failure to launch, compared with others who are in the same dating stage.
I get what you're saying Davo but so far my experience of messaging FSW hasn't led to them sending me pics of them wearing more & more provocative clothing. At best we just have a good conversation about everyday stuff, interests and we can relate well. It can follow through in a video chat then a meet up. I was going to ask how you build online chemistry here but noticed your second response so that kind of answered my question.
Well to be honest I'm not really an emotional kind of guy. I'm really more your stereotypical guy on that one of a guy that is often practical minded, usually pretty emotionally stable and not led by emotions. That's not to say I don't have them but I often don't express emotions or feel comfortable doing so, sometimes any emotion might be somewhat muted as I don't really get that emotional outpouring that sone people do, usually women. In fact if a woman is very upset I kind find it very awkward and unsettling to be around them. I honestly don't know what to do. I know they often may want to be comforted but to be honest I find their emotional outburst kind of scary in some cases. I don't know where they are going or what they are doing with such emotional outbursts when they occur, in theory any random thing could happen. I just prefer it when such emotional outburst are over and I can relax again. Apparently this isn't all bad looking up online. In such cases it has apparently been found that the woman has an imbalance of chemicals in her brain and many men don't. Apparently the guys job is to be stable and not respond too much to the woman. The woman then self-rights after the emotional outburst and her chemicals inside return to normal. Apparently they aren't looking for the guy to share in the emotion too much or find it helpful. Love and romance of course is a different emotion to the woman getting upset (though that may come into sone situations if course). Here I can't get all lovey dovey it's just not me, I can feel attracted to a girl and feel for her but again expressing it isn't easy for me. Some guys are more emotionally romantic but not me off course. I think some of the above is down to being a guy while I also think it's down to me being more towards the Aspergers/Autism side of the spectrum rather than the Emo side if it. I've done the online tests several times and I'm a few points short of what would be classed as Aspergers/Autism. I'm pretty sure I'm not quite that far as having it as I can recognise emotion and still feel it even though I don't often outwardly show it or express myself emotionally much. I just kind of feel most comfortable when things are stayed, under control and mapped out as to what's happening.
Anyway, that's me I think in terms of if I were to come out with something flirty or provocative sounding I doubt I would get very far. She would probably just think I'm a sex tourist or whatever and think I'm just then after sex. To be honest flirting I see as a refined art for which I probably would get the timing or feel wrong for most women. I can't really do a polite kind of flirting very easily if at all. My kind of mind is more towards a kind of dirty/bad humour kind of flirting. I think the right girl would find it funny, a girl who appreciates that kind of expression, I think most girls don't and I think as such I wouldn't go well with them long term. I've kind of discovered recently that a girl who has a bit of an edge I think would suit me way better than a girl who is prim & proper. Prim & proper I've found in the course of dating that I just don't like. The girls just don't suit my personality, I find them too boring and while I try to behave with them I don't think they really feel comfortable with me/right for them. It's kind of like wearing a straight jacket being around them for me and even then I don't think we really go. So I kind of need a girl who enjoys what many would regard as bad humour, dirty flirting, etc as I think we would go a lot better. That's kind of where I am at, at the moment and what I now want to work towards.
Anyway, the whole pro photos of models on ppl sites I get. I don't use ppl sites. I also don't expect her to wear silky gowns that irl she would likely hardly ever wear such as on the EM site or other dating sites where the girl has gone for a studio photo shoot. I just kind off read in that if the girl wears a casual dress or a standard skirt she is happier in that stuff but if she wears shirt & jeans then she is happier in that. To my mind it kind of makes sense to wear stuff you are happiest wearing day to day. I think the thing like on EM where the woman wears a silky dress but doesn't usually and the guy wears a shirt, possibly & tie and suit jacket but doesn't usually isn't a great way to go. Either the guy/girl keeps up the charade or they later be themselves and then the other half can feel deceived. I get why Elena says to do it as it increases appeal as better presentation but it's not really who either are. Fdate tends to have people more as they are but then yeah I do tend to read I to what photos they put up as to how they like to dress. Generally though like said I haven't really seen photos of them dressed differently so I'm not sure if what you describe is commonplace. Generally I tend to see it as a jeans wearing girl is a jeans wearing girl and a skirt wearing girl is a skirt wearing girl. Some girls do a bit of both of course depending upon the occasion but that's generally how I see it and to some extent I tend to see that in real life with the girls walking around that I know.
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I recall only recently you were the one that said that Elena of EM told girls what to wear as she knew western guys weren't going to travel the High seas to meet some plain Jane with a short dyke hairdo lol. I'm pretty sure that most guys feel that way including myself and that is what I meant here. That I couldn't meet with such a girl under that impression of her, it just wouldn't feel right. It wouldn't feel like I was being true to how I really felt so wouldn't make sense doing that. That even if we did meet it wouldn't likely go well as she would likely not be anywhere close to the girl I'm looking for.
I never wrote any letters to fat women, ugly women, women with dyke haircuts
and on and on and on and on. I totally discriminated against women that I wasn't
attracted to.
If I wrote some of the fatties and told them that they were fatties and should lose
some weight if they wanted me to consider them, then I would have done what
you were proposing.
[From day two of course "Interaction with FSUW101"]
Most FSUW will wear XYZ type of dress if you tell them you like XYZ type of dress.
If you tell them you like it and then take them shopping and let them try on, pick
out, then buy them an XYZ dress then tell them they are hot! hot! then they will
wear XYZ dresses A LOT!!
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[From day two of Course Introduction to interaction with FSUW]
Most FSUW will wear XYZ type of dress if you tell them you like XYZ type of dress.
If you tell them you like it and then take them shopping and let them try on, pick
out, then buy them an XYZ dress then tell them they are hot! hot! then they will
wear XYZ dresses A LOT!!
Well done Bill that's the sort of stuff I need :) :clapping: That's a lot more socially savvy than the sort of approach I come up with. I guess a girl's attire is changeable so possibly I shouldn't read into it as much.
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I am hesitant, in a way, to post this, but I think if Trench finds an FSUW who marries him, he will end up divorced. First, the majority of WM-FSUW marriages fail. Second, I suspect Trench is controlling in a way that a woman who is willing to move abroad will not tolerate.
It's not a knock on you, Trench. I do wish you success. But I see heartbreak in your future if you choose this path. I think you would, long term, be far more successful if you found a woman in England.
In truth I'm a bit on the fence as to whether a English girl or FSW at the moment. Both have their positives and negatives but the main one is ease of meeting an English girl at the moment over a FSW. Not saying I couldn't get over to Ukraine, rules are relaxing a bit more in October on the UK end, but it's still not as easy as it used to be plus I've still got a few commitments that probably won't be off hand until late October/early November.
Now previously I've had hang ups about English girls and if course the negatives remain but I also think I may be able to aim myself at the sort of girl that might be suitable for me more better now, possibly. Depends if they pick up to my overtures I guess.
FSW/Ukrainian women have been far more likely to date to pick up to my overtures but getting the right one is where it becomes important. Obviously FSW dating tends to attract certain women. As you know I'm not a rich guy and what an English girl would probably see as me reasonably well enough set up in life (small terrace house without a mortgage) a FSW tends to have a bit of unrealistic expectations I tend to get the impression. They seem pretty unaware of how difficult it can be to even get on the property ladder in the UK, the ongoing housing crises & high price of housing. The impression I get is that many might be expecting something fairly large and not realise that in the UK even a terrace these days is seen as doing ok enough by many British people even if their place in Ukraine is an eve smaller flat in a concrete block situation.
That said though FSW have their advantages in their outlook towards family, having family, etc. Not to say English girls would be against that but I find they tend to have all sorts of differing ideas that may often be something other. At the end of the day it's having family (i.e children) that I am most interested in.
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Depends if they pick up to my overtures I guess.
FSW/Ukrainian women have been far more likely to date to pick up to my overtures but getting the right one is where it becomes important.
What is picking up your overtures mean?
FSW/Ukrainian women have been far more likely to date to pick up to my overtures but getting the right one is where it becomes important.
“Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.” Vince Lombardi
"Finding a good girl isn't everything, it's the only thing" 2tallbill
Obviously FSW dating tends to attract certain women.
What type of woman do you tend to pursue?
What type of woman do you tend to attract?
They seem pretty unaware of how difficult it can be to even get on the property ladder
in the UK, the ongoing housing crises & high price of housing. The impression I get is
that many might be expecting something fairly large and not realise that in the UK even a terrace these days is seen as doing ok enough by many British people even if their place in Ukraine is an eve smaller flat in a concrete block situation.
Do You think that you should be awarded a medal? You won't get any special recognition
for owning a house so stop seeking for it. 87.3% of Russians own their home, your
place is slightly better than some maybe.
Your only advantage in the FSU is that you are willing to consider divorced women
over a certain age for marriage and a family. If you are seeking women up to 10
years younger than yourself. If you are seeking a bigger age gap then you need
to have superior looks, social skills and other things that you don't have.
I am going to assume that you are seeking fsuw no more than 10 years younger
than yourself. If you are seeking a larger gap then nothing I tell you can help you.
That said though FSW have their advantages in their outlook towards family, having family, etc.
Aha!
Now you know the only thing you have going for you initially. FSUW deeply desire
marriage and a family. You are willing to consider them, therefore you have a foot
in the door.
You need to find a good girl and if all the women you find are the same or a certain
type then you are doing something wrong in your search process. Is it age?
Udachi!
Bill
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see as me reasonably well enough set up in life (small terrace house without a mortgage)
Terrace house equals townhouse in USA.
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a FSW tends to have a bit of unrealistic expectations I tend to get the impression. They seem pretty unaware of how difficult it can be to even get on the property ladder in the UK, the ongoing housing crises & high price of housing. The impression I get is that many might be expecting something fairly large and not realise that in the UK even a terrace these days is seen as doing ok enough by many British people even if their place in Ukraine is an even smaller flat in a concrete block situation.
I never noticed that FSU gals had unrealistic expectation regarding housing.
Only disappointment I had was that they mostly preferred to live in huge apartment complex in center of city vs the much better single family dwelling in suburbs. Habits are hard to discard.
My wife never complained too much about that, and has now become completely attached to our house with huge yard and her expansive garden . . . the the privacy that comes with multiple acres.
At first she was afraid and alarmed because mine was the only house in my heavily wooded development . . . but now there are 14 additional homes built since her arrival 10 years ago.
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You won't get any special recognition for owning a house so stop seeking for it. 87.3% of Russians own their home, your
place is slightly better than some maybe.
The comparable percentage for Ukraine is 93.3%.
But that is quite misleading and is not comparable to the typical USA situation.
The high ownership rate in FSU came about because after breakup of the SU, those governments turned over ownership of state owned housing units to the persons registered to live there. The cost was minimal and consisted of paperwork filing fees.
However, that meant that ownership was spread among ALL the persons registered to live there, which mostly meant 3 and sometimes 4 generations of a family.
So did the gals we are pursuing actually own their own apartments?
Yes if you consider joint ownership.
But no if considering their own separate ownership.
So moving up to living with a western man who owns (mostly with a mortgage) a single family dwelling . . . yes it will be a significant move up.
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Your only advantage in the FSU is that you are willing to consider divorced women over a certain age for marriage and a family. If you are seeking women up to 10 years younger than yourself. If you are seeking a bigger age gap then you need to have superior looks, social skills and other things . . .
What about size ?
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Terrace house equals townhouse in USA.
Is that good? :D
Well it is very near a town, about 5 minutes 1/4 mile or so walk in and can see the town centre if you walk a few metres along the road as it's up on the hill overlooking it.
In the UK we have the term townhouse also. It's probably somewhat similar in terms to the US. Generally houses in or possibly near a Town centre. Often terraced housing or possibly detached, sometimes reasonably large but could vary of course and be a little smaller.
Once I get renting out the rooms in it then theoretically I could then take that money and in turn rent a flat right in a town centre or city. Larger town centres can almost be city like here. Though I believe in America you refer to towns or suburb centres as cities anyway, if I'm correct on that.
Anyhow, so yeah I could move anywhere in theory then. London might be a bit of a push as it can be quite expensive there though possibly the pandemic & working from home might be making it less so now. To be honest though I'm not that taken with living in London, too crowded and cramped for my liking, too built up I feel.
I kind of get why FSW might like spacious apartments in city centres as a lot to do right on your doorstep and at least as things were not short of entertainment. A large town with an attractive town centre that is reasonably large may offer near enough the same as a city centre so probably wouldn't be a bad choice, all depends what suits both I guess.
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If you are seeking women up to 10 years younger than yourself.
If you want a woman where the age gap is much larger . . . then simply lie about your own age. But keep your passport securely hidden until you have snagged her.
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What is picking up your overtures mean?
“Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.” Vince Lombardi
"Finding a good girl isn't everything, it's the only thing" 2tallbill
What type of woman do you tend to pursue?
What type of woman do you tend to attract?
Do You think that you should be awarded a medal? You won't get any special recognition
for owning a house so stop seeking for it. 87.3% of Russians own their home, your
place is slightly better than some maybe.
Your only advantage in the FSU is that you are willing to consider divorced women
over a certain age for marriage and a family. If you are seeking women up to 10
years younger than yourself. If you are seeking a bigger age gap then you need
to have superior looks, social skills and other things that you don't have.
I am going to assume that you are seeking fsuw no more than 10 years younger
than yourself. If you are seeking a larger gap then nothing I tell you can help you.
Aha!
Now you know the only thing you have going for you initially. FSUW deeply desire
marriage and a family. You are willing to consider them, therefore you have a foot
in the door.
You need to find a good girl and if all the women you find are the same or a certain
type then you are doing something wrong in your search process. Is it age?
Udachi!
Bill
Overtures as in initial message sent out.
Well it's a strange one the type of women I go for and attract. The type of women that appeal to me tends to be girls who are facially pretty. I have had girls eye me up in the past in a flirty eyes kind of way, either me initiating first, them initiating first or possibly both more or less at the same time. Odds are they get a lot of that though and while I have chatted to some I've always get the impression it's highly competitive with loads of guys they've got to chose from. I'm not saying I've haven't been attracted or had interest from the more everyday looking girl I have but mostly it the pretty looking girls. I don't really set out to go for them they just take my attention again & again, but getting with them isn't so easy.
I'm not really bothered either way about age but I would prefer a girl who is not too serious if she is older and in her thirties.
I have tried to emphasize the family thing in my profile in the past. I've even asked some women in messaging if they are ready to have children fairly soon. Most of the responses were that they were in no great hurry, etc. A fair amount of these were women in their thirties so I'm not so sure if it is something that they are really that committed too. Most of them were pretty much everyday looking women. I'm just not so sure if the FSW that come up in International Dating really are all that bothered about having kids but possibly more bothered about finding a comfortable lifestyle for themselves.
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What is picking up your overtures mean?
The inability to ask for a date.
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If you want a woman where the age gap is much larger . . . then simply lie about your own age. But keep your passport securely hidden until you have snagged her.
Lol, I could probably get away with that although UW are supposed to be real bs detectors so although I'm not greying a lot and don't look too wrinkly they would probably sense I am lying through my teeth.
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The inability to ask for a date.
Nope I'm talking about online messaging FSW. Not all will respond, some will some won't for various reasons, they may not find me attractive looking enough in the photos in terms of facial features, they may only be half interested in finding a western guy, they may have given up and not seen my message, they are already corresponding with another guy(s) etc, etc.
Obviously like most guys only a certain amount of women will be interested in me so I'm not expecting to have all the women reply, maybe up to 50 percent reply if they still go to the site regularly and I tap out a message that is more that just hello with an emoticon. Though of course from that it depends if they are really interested enough as to whether the messaging lasts to a video chat and later visit. I find women in the more provincial cities and areas of Ukraine tend to be easier to get a good messaging thing going with them as not so many men are interested in going the extra distance.
Getting messaging going and meeting a girl is not really the issue though it's more of finding one that suits and it going the distance. Boethius is right there I feel in that it going the distance and working out well is obviously a concern.
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To be honest thinking about it I'm probably better of messaging girls in Belarus, Russia or even the Stan's. Problem I think is with Ukraine is unless you're a pretty looking guy they aren't really interested. If you're out there and wealthy looking enough then interest may peek a bit. Otherwise if not a pretty looking guy the women might just go with you to get over to UK/US. Main thing is I think with Ukrainians now able to go to the EU and essential live and work unofficially on a tourist visa there's no real need for a western guy to get out of Ukraine. The prettier girls will be able to pick up a guy when working in the EU most likely anyway. Essentially the EU has made Ukraine an unofficial EU member state. Now we know when Poland, the Baltic States, etc became EU members it essentially ended much of the international dating scene in those countries. To my mind it's pretty much done that for Ukraine. It's certainly made it a lot harder because of it I reckon.
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Relying on your passport to find a wife is a mistake. This forum is littered with now divorced men who did that.
If I were in your shoes (wanted to have children, over 40, seemingly marginal social skills), I would be asking friends if they knew any local women over 30 who were interested in a serious relationship. I'd be going to groups where women outnumber men (other than bars). I would also try local dating sites.
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Relying on your passport to find a wife is a mistake. This forum is littered with now divorced men who did that.
If I were in your shoes (wanted to have children, over 40, seemingly marginal social skills), I would be asking friends if they knew any local women over 30 who were interested in a serious relationship. I'd be going to groups where women outnumber men (other than bars). I would also try local dating sites.
Yeah I think you're not wrong their Boe, looking on FDate just now at Belarus girls, well there's some real pretty girls there. While they would attract me a lot I think once I got them back to the UK, if it went that far, I wouldn't last five minutes with them. They are just way too sh*t hot looking regardless of age, even for a wealthy guy they would need careful handling I reckon. For me they would probably shoot of with some other dude not looking after landing.
Some of their write ups are hilarious. One said she was not looking for a sponsor (looking as hot she did you would understand why guys would think that is what she is after) but 'she is not looking for an unfunded man either' lol!
Another hot girl put:
"Ideal match description:
Before writing - evaluate your capabilities. A man who is always responsible for his words, A GENEROUS person who speaks little but does a lot. There are only “blablablaMans”.
I think both girls would probably be sorely disappointed with me on wealth, looks and social aspects.
Did get a bit of a chubby girl pass by me a bit earlier, she briefly eyed me standing up from my head down to my crutch, I'm wearing clothes ;D, with her eyesight lingering briefly on my crutch. It was only split second thing but I followed. My height is one of the few things I have in my favour and for some non-model looking girls I guess that is something also. With not a lot else of an obvious advantage in truth I probably do come across as not quite enough there for the model looking girls. Like said before though the other everyday looking girls I often just don't feel attracted too, not intentional just how I naturally am. The model looking girls just have way too many better options to work though.
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Yeah I think you're not wrong their Boe, looking on FDate just now at Belarus girls, well there's some real pretty girls there. While they would attract me a lot I think once I got them back to the UK, if it went that far, I wouldn't last five minutes with them. They are just way too sh*t hot looking regardless of age, even for a wealthy guy they would need careful handling I reckon. For me they would probably shoot of with some other dude not looking after landing.
Some of their write ups are hilarious. One said she was not looking for a sponsor (looking as hot she did you would understand why guys would think that is what she is after) but 'she is not looking for an unfunded man either' lol!
Another hot girl put:
"Ideal match description:
Before writing - evaluate your capabilities. A man who is always responsible for his words, A GENEROUS person who speaks little but does a lot. There are only “blablablaMans”.
I think both know most girls would probably be sorely disappointed with me on wealth, looks and social aspects.
Did get a bit of a chubby girl pass by me a bit earlier, she briefly eyed me standing up from my head down to my crutch, I'm wearing clothes ;D, with her eyesight lingering briefly on my crutch. It was only split second thing but I followed. My height is one of the few things I have in my favour and for some non-model looking girls I guess that is something also. With not a lot else of an obvious advantage in truth I probably do come across as not quite enough there for the model looking girls. Like said before though the other everyday looking girls I often just don't feel attracted too, not intentional just how I naturally am. The model looking girls just have way too many better options to work though.
Corrected that for you Trenchie.
As usual fantasising out your theories.
Best you settle for a Plain Jane locally, then you’ll have no fears of being dumped by the fsuw you import ( if you ever get to that point which is pretty unlikely)
Mind you, there’s no guarantee Ms Plain Jane doesn’t see through you and also makes a hasty exit with the keys to your two up two down in her pocket.
What are you going to do Trench? Times a ticking and with each passing day your best by date gets closer.
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Nope I'm talking about online messaging FSW.
Now previously I've had hang ups about English girls and if course the negatives remain but I also think I may be able to aim myself at the sort of girl that might be suitable for me more better now, possibly. Depends if they pick up to my overtures I guess.
FSW/Ukrainian women have been far more likely to date to pick up to my overtures but getting the right one is where it becomes important.
Looks like you addressed both English and FSUW regarding your 'overtures' issues with them. That is the issue you need to address before anything else. You seem 'stuck' on FSUW merely because they may be more easily contacted, and intentions of meeting are already in the foreground.
With FSUW you will likely gain very little interest at all without a ticket in-hand. With English women, you need to get out of your comfort zone, step up to the plate and ask them on a date. You may have fears of rejection to get over, along with social awkwardness to work on. I'd say keep your bar low, and ask ANY girls out on a date locally. If you get slapped, fine. If you get laughed at, shrug it off and hit the next gal. Rinse, wash and repeat until you're used to rejection, until you succeed a few times, get the hang of things, and then start raising the bar.
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Did get a bit of a chubby girl pass by me a bit earlier, she briefly eyed me standing up from my head down to my crutch, I'm wearing clothes ;D, with her eyesight lingering briefly on my crutch.
Most women probably wouldn't want to get involved with a guy who uses crutches.
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I'm just not so sure if the FSW that come up in International Dating really are all that
bothered about having kids but possibly more bothered about finding a comfortable
lifestyle for themselves.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
I want you to read that 1000 times because your brain hasn't been
able to wrap around that theory since you've been a member here.
97.387% of the women in the FSU are NOT looking for a foreign
husband. Why not pursue the 97.387% rather than the 2.613%?
A girl who is in love with you will follow you to the ends of the
world.
So stop with the stinkin' thinkin', find a good girl, romance her
and she will fall in love with you and then you can stop worrying.
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What about size ?
You talkin' length and girth" or some other size?
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You talkin' length and girth" or some other size?
Whatever is deemed important.
If the woman is cowgirling, and stays low in the saddle, then even a small length will suffice for both clitoris and g spot.
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A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
A good girl is looking for love. A good girl is looking for love.
I want you to read that 1000 times because your brain hasn't been
able to wrap around that theory since you've been a member here.
97.387% of the women in the FSU are NOT looking for a foreign
husband. Why not pursue the 97.387% rather than the 2.613%?
A girl who is in love with you will follow you to the ends of the
world.
So stop with the stinkin' thinkin', find a good girl, romance her
and she will fall in love with you and then you can stop worrying.
You mean look for FSW on social media? I assume all those on International Dating sites are looking for a foreign husband as that's presumably why they are there, apart from scammers and the like of course.
Thinking that might be the best idea Bill, I'll try VK as I've got an interest where I might be able to gain the interest of a woman. That sounds a better idea tha the International Dating sites. I know Krim suggested it before but has way of working VK probably isn't something that would suit me as he was more into flogging stuff and using that as leverage. I think I can work VK a bit of a different way that could work for me though so will move right on that now. I just don't get the feeling that most of the women on international dating sites would work out good for me.
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FSW/Ukrainian women have been far more likely to date to pick up to my overtures
Well DUH! Why else are single WM going to Ukraine? Relatively few go for business reasons.
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So saying nice rack was the wrong approach. Maybe English ain’t their first language but it’s got a pretty quick way of saying hello. I went in with that line and how did I fair 7 years later..pretty awesome. I remember being asked if I use that same my mouth around my mother. I said f*ck yes considering the Slavic boys and their mamas are a big deal. What can I say. I played a game wasting those lads and the main scream was “Mama”. Whatever…
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My wife was a fashion disaster. I came into her life and gave her direction and now she’s on the path of hotness
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You mean look for FSW on social media? I assume all those on International Dating sites are looking for a foreign husband as that's presumably why they are there, apart from scammers and the like of course.
Thinking that might be the best idea Bill, I'll try VK as I've got an interest where I might be able to gain the interest of a woman...
Trench,
Here's the plan. Check the video below at the 10:40 mark. Apparently there is a church in Kyiv where the single ladies attend, just to pray to find a husband.
So all you have to do is stand outside with a few roses a few minutes before the church service is over. They will think you are the answer to their prayers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xA3Lm0hp7U#t=605
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Thinking that might be the best idea Bill, I'll try VK as I've got an interest where I might be able to gain the interest of a woman.
You ignored the part that I wrote 12 times. Seriously why would you do
that? I wrote it 12 times so that you would pay attention to it. You have
been unable to process the theory that if a good girl loves you then you
don't have to worry about her leaving you because you aren't ridiculously
handsome.
Find a good girl and when she falls in love with you, you won't have to
worry that she is so hot that she will dump you for somebody better
looking. After women get to be a certain age the start considering
many of the attractive men as players. A good girl would rather
have a long term marriage and a family far more than something
short term with a hot guy that won't last.
If you treat a good girl with love you will get twice the love back.
If you treat her like crap, she will give you a double load of it back.
Decide which you prefer, crap or love and then give her what you
want in return.
Go back and read what I wrote 12 times in a row, then read it again.
Stop imagining all your insecurities showing up in a relationship that
doesn't even exist yet. Finding a good girl is all that matters. Once
you find her try not to pour all your insecurities on her.
Udachi!
Bill
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Trench,
Here's the plan. Check the video below at the 10:40 mark. Apparently there is a church in Kyiv where the single ladies attend, just to pray to find a husband.
So all you have to do is stand outside with a few roses a few minutes before the church service is over. They will think you are the answer to their prayers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xA3Lm0hp7U#t=605
Lol, now that would be a plan that would make all tis nice and easy, something tells me that she was joking though :(
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You ignored the part that I wrote 12 times. Seriously why would you do
that? I wrote it 12 times so that you would pay attention to it. You have
been unable to process the theory that if a good girl loves you then you
don't have to worry about her leaving you because you aren't ridiculously
handsome.
Find a good girl and when she falls in love with you, you won't have to
worry that she is so hot that she will dump you for somebody better
looking. After women get to be a certain age the start considering
many of the attractive men as players. A good girl would rather
have a long term marriage and a family far more than something
short term with a hot guy that won't last.
If you treat a good girl with love you will get twice the love back.
If you treat her like crap, she will give you a double load of it back.
Decide which you prefer, crap or love and then give her what you
want in return.
Go back and read what I wrote 12 times in a row, then read it again.
Stop imagining all your insecurities showing up in a relationship that
doesn't even exist yet. Finding a good girl is all that matters. Once
you find her try not to pour all your insecurities on her.
Udachi!
Bill
Yeah I got that bit about needing a good girl I didn't know you wanted it repeated back to you though Bill. It's good advice and of course I need to find one. Though there an be tell tale signs many bad girls may try to make out they are good girls so not always obvious at first.
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Yeah I got that bit about needing a good girl I didn't know you wanted it repeated back to you though Bill. It's good advice and of course I need to find one. Though there an be tell tale signs many bad girls may try to make out they are good girls so not always obvious at first.
What I want you to internalize is that a good girl won't do anything that you
are fearful of. So stop peeing down your leg with all your insecurities. Find a
good girl and get her to fall in love with you. Then you don't have to worry.
A bad girl can't pretend to be a good girl for very long. 99% aren't patient
enough to try. So stop worrying about bad girls, you are observant/paranoid
enough to see/avoid a scam.
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Yeah I got that bit about needing a good girl I didn't know you wanted it repeated back to you though Bill. It's good advice and of course I need to find one. Though there an be tell tale signs many bad girls may try to make out they are good girls so not always obvious at first.
You are afraid that if you find a pretty girl that she will leave you for a
bigger better deal when you arrive in Blighty. Find a good girl and you
don't have to worry about that.
You keep looking for a magic place where you can search and all the
girls are the same and want the same thing. There is no such place.
I know girls who are twins and are as different as any two girls can
be.
Stop looking for the land of unicorns or the website for unicorns and
start looking for a good girl in every land and every site you explore.
You need to stop searching for young girls using the excuse that you
want kids. That's how you justify writing women who look at you as
a cash machine.
That's why you think that ALL Ukrainian women are X, Y and Z. It's
because the good girls you write that are too young so they throw away
your letter. That leaves only the girls with questionable motivations that
write back so you think that all girls from Ukraine are ________ (Trench
validation phrase here)
Write ONLY women who are 38 years old and up and you will be amazed
at the high quality and high character of the women who write you back.
I get it 38 year old women aren't as hot as 28 year old women. Then write
a thousand 38 year olds until you find one that is hot enough for you.
Udachi!
Bill
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You are afraid that if you find a pretty girl that she will leave you for a
bigger better deal when you arrive in Blighty. Find a good girl and you
don't have to worry about that.
Stop looking for the land of unicorns and start looking for a good girl
in every land.
But in your first paragraph above, you are describing a unicorn.
Even the best (good as you call them) woman or man will leave given enough enticement and incentive by a third party.
And no cop out by saying they weren't really good women or men.
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But in your first paragraph above, you are describing a unicorn.
Even the best (good as you call them) woman or man will leave given enough enticement and incentive by a third party.
And no cop out by saying they weren't really good women or men.
I think you are right ML, not to say Bill is wrong though, but I think you have gained a lot of wisdom over the years. For me I think that a younger girl would really be loading the odds against me if I brought her back to the UK either if she was pretty or everyday average looking. She would have so many opportunities with other guys her age that unless she had a big negative or me a big positive then I don't think I would last long.
A good girl is all very well but I think Bill forgets that he is a bit above average in looks plus earns good money in the oil industry. Now I'm not saying all girls will directly add those two positives up but subconsciously I think they will do. A girl (but not all) will likely but into that from the get go and be more into the guy. Of course it's dependant in part on how people get on, personality etc but I think there are also natural draws for women.
The age group Bill mentions I think he is dead right on. I have a tendancy to go lower and even if the girl says she us happy with someone older I think they are probably saying that in terms of someone who fits with some big positive attributes. As Bill rightly says I think there are decent looking older women around that might suit me personality wise.
I know BillyB got a younger lady but again I think Billy has some big positive attributes in being a successful business owner and a great logical thinker. Obviously other factors such as having the MIL inside can help too but I don't think she would be if she also didn't think Billy had some positive stuff about him.
I think I will try aiming my search at the age group around what Bill suggests as otherwise I think the odds of it working out for me aren't good.
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But in your first paragraph above, you are describing a unicorn.
Even the best (good as you call them) woman or man will leave given enough enticement and incentive by a third party.
And no cop out by saying they weren't really good women or men.
I totally disagree with you.
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But in your first paragraph above, you are describing a unicorn.
Even the best (good as you call them) woman or man will leave given enough enticement and incentive by a third party.
And no cop out by saying they weren't really good women or men.
Are you saying indecent proposal isn't just a movie plot?
Seriously ML.
The odds tc will.marry are long enough.
The odds him.amd mrs trenchy would meet a Robert Redford type that offers them a billion is beyond fantasy land.
You seem a tad jaded.
I know men and women seperate all.the time,I don't see that as leaving for enticements.
While I know money issues are often cited as a root marital issue,I've never bought that as valid seems more a handy excuse.
Typically its from.a feeling their current relationship is lacking emotionally.
I don't feel good people woukd generally leave their partners merely from.a big enough enticement.
But it makes a good movie plot.
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Most women probably wouldn't want to get involved with a guy who uses crutches.
I know youre joking so ..
I dated a E! news tv host while on crutches, they are far more interesting to.women than is imagined i guess...
Or maybe it was my caustic personality
:)
I also met my first wife (irish) while on crutches.
I've spent a cumulative total.of 3.5 years on crutches.
Trench should try them,it certainly wont hurt his chances!
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Are you saying indecent proposal isn't just a movie plot?
Seriously ML.
The odds tc will.marry are long enough.
The odds him.amd mrs trenchy would meet a Robert Redford type that offers them a billion is beyond fantasy land.
You seem a tad jaded.
I know men and women seperate all.the time,I don't see that as leaving for enticements.
While I know money issues are often cited as a root marital issue,I've never bought that as valid seems more a handy excuse.
Typically its from.a feeling their current relationship is lacking emotionally.
I don't feel good people woukd generally leave their partners merely from.a big enough enticement.
But it makes a good movie plot.
Mine did, although she was never the most faithful woman and a bit of a party girl...... The first thing she told me about him was “He earns twice as much as you”..... Now I earn more than him and hopefully within the next 5 years 3 times his wage.
I hacked her email before she left and he was promising a jet setting lifestyle, where she didn’t have to work. Unfortunately for her they now have a $600,000 mortgage, an unplanned pregnancy (twins) and she’s had to start working full time (she worked 3 days a week when she was with me)...... Karma’s a bitch!!! 😂
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Ouch.
Sorry to hear that.
But moving on is the best scenario ,regardless
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TC,
Eliminating prospects by
Fashion sense is entirely up
to you.
I think any adult FSU woman,that happens to love you will fit in fine.
though,so be careful in your option paralysis.
If I gave you a million pounds in 5 pence , will you turn it down or be upset ?
Sure you'd prefer it was an Instant wire transfer to your account,but would the form.it comes in change your life,or would the ax mount itself be the important thing that's positive?
Can you associate that concept to a loving woman that cares for you, but has a fashion sense higher or lower than your preference?
Be careful what you wish for, you've seemingly spent a decade wishung yourself out of any relationship, local, long distance, good bad or otherwise.
You tend to process the same info here way longer than a local.woman will have patience for, much less a FSU woman .😊
Better up that game !
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Ouch.
Sorry to hear that.
But moving on is the best scenario ,regardless
It’s all good..... Honestly, apart from our kids, it was the best gift she ever gave me..... 6 months later I had a relationship with a wonderful woman who helped me realise what an idiot I was for staying with my ex for so long..... I didn’t think it would be the case, but being a bachelor at 40 was an awesome experience and it still is now I’m in my mid 40’s.
I recently started dating at home again and have a FWB situation atm..... It’s an interesting house hold dynamic when my teenage boys are going out for the night on dates and Dad is too 😁
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I know youre joking so ..
I dated a E! news tv host while on crutches, they are far more interesting to.women than is imagined i guess...
Or maybe it was my caustic personality
:)
I also met my first wife (irish) while on crutches.
I've spent a cumulative total.of 3.5 years on crutches.
Trench should try them,it certainly wont hurt his chances!
You spent all that time on crutches due to being a daredevil rocketship
dirt biker rider with a boyish grin earned from cheating death once again.
Women at the caveman dna level their ovaries pulsate hormones directly
into their frontal cortex telling them that they need to instantly procreate
with anyone having that grin.
Playing basketball, I spent plenty of time with crutches. I could cruise along
on crutches faster than most people could walk. The most difficult part was
going down the stairs, which would have been a problem if I didn't just slide
down the hand rails on my butt cheek.
Stairs at Central Oregon College where I played basketball a hundred years
ago.
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Bill,Those stairs would be rough on crutches,I can see you sliding down them..ha!
And there are brutal knee and ankle injuries in basketball.
Somehow I am positive you still did quite well with the coeds while on crutches,zero effect.
It's what we both hope TC realizes at some point, it's about whether the woman simply likes you as a person in a romantic way, not what you have materially.
The only way to find one that likes you in that way, is to meet women.
That's it.
Many won't be interested , so meet another, and so on.
No short cuts,no magic bullet.
For every woman that was interested or even hit on me,likely a million would think ,what an uncouth idiot, or philistine.
TC has that English accent!
Oh my, what I could have done with just that!
🤣
(I had a wild buddy that would fake an aussie accent quite well,and have women falling all over him,unfortunately the chowderhead would also use my name and give them my number as his own,so I'd get these random calls and have zero idea who it was,and my girlfriend at the time would additionally be none too amused ,the foolishness of youth and weekly travel)
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Somehow I am positive you still did quite well with the coeds while on crutches,zero effect.
It's what we both hope TC realizes at some point, it's about whether the woman simply likes you as a person in a romantic way, not what you have materially.
The only way to find one that likes you in that way, is to meet women.
That's it.
Many won't be interested , so meet another, and so on.
No short cuts,no magic bullet.
For every woman that was interested or even hit on me,likely a million would think ,what an uncouth idiot, or philistine.
I did well with many of the girls. Some girls really, really liked me but there
were some who took one look at my tall, handsome and charming self and
ran the other way. Those who ran, were for others to worry about.
When you search for gold you have to sift through a lot of rock, sand and
gravel. Trench needs to stop thinking so much about the gravel and start
focusing on finding the gold.
You want gold? Start sifting through gravel. The more gravel you discard
puts you closer to finding a nugget of gold.
I will give another example. One out of 10,000 clovers have four leaves.
The best way to find a four leaf clover is by going through a field of
three leaf clovers and discarding the ones that don't have 4 leaves.
This is simply an exercise in math. It's possible that the very first clover
you look at has 4 leaves but the odds are 10,000 to one against it.
Once you start going through clover the odds start to turn more and
more in your favor.
Udachi!
Bill
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Basketball and dumping hot gals.
My basketball career came to painful halt when I went up with a jump shot and came down with my shoe halfway on another guy's shoe. Ouch. So no more competitive BB or tennis for me.
Dumping is a very strong word and connotes that there was a very strong existing relationship.
So can't really say I have dumped a hot gal . . . but I have decided against a second or third date with such a gal a few times.
Just didn't think I could keep her for the long run.
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Even the best (good as you call them) woman or man will leave given enough enticement and incentive by a third party.
You just validated every F#cking post that Trench has made in every single
thread since he has been here. Nice job
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Basketball and dumping hot gals.
My basketball career came to painful halt when I went up with a jump shot and came down with my shoe halfway on another guy's shoe. Ouch. So no more competitive BB or tennis for me.
Dumping is a very strong word and connotes that there was a very strong existing relationship.
So can't really say I have dumped a hot gal . . . but I have decided against a second or third date with such a gal a few times.
Just didn't think I could keep her for the long run.
I used dumping because it equals getting rid of them. Never to contact them
again. It means to cut the cord. Many guys can't do it, because they can't
give up on a hot woman (with luke warm or less interest in them) as long
as they think there is a chance.
Kick them to the curb, break it off, etc.
I have ended it with very hot women because it wasn't going to work out.
I have ended it with very hot women because they had character flaws.
I have ended it with a very hot woman because she was dumber than
a bag of hammers.
The beauty queens aren't going to go home and kiss themselves, somebody
has to do it so I figure, why not me?