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Life Changes...Part Deux
« on: April 28, 2010, 12:09:53 PM »
I started a thread earlier called Life Changes but didn't finish it so I thought I'd start another to continue instead of bringing the old thread back. You can read the older thread here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9838.0

Quick mention of past events. My ex fiancee got cold feet over a year ago after her visa was accepted and thus she didn't come to America. Midway through last year she was ready to come but I wasn't because I wasn't satisfied she was mentally ready. I made 3 trips to Kiev last year and although I made mention of my experiences in my first two trips in the other thread, I will finish my last trip report in this thread.

Some of you may remember Jollyrats having trouble calling Uzbekistan. My phone troubles have been worse and I've lost phone contact with my ex fiancee for 4 months now. Early January I wanted to have another talk with my ex trying to get a read if she's mentally ready to move to another country and about making a life together but that can't happen without phone. I did send her flowers during Valentines day. Since I could not talk to her, I've been talking to  RW closer to home. Strange.... I'm ready to make a life with the ex again and as fate has it, phone system in Uzbekistan takes a dump and changing my plans and my life is now drastically going in another direction.

As I write this, I got 16 RW phone numbers stored in my phone and 1 Mexican gal. I've been using a Russian based dating sites to find these local based RW living near my city. The Mexican gal, early 20's, I met in public. Some RW live in the same city as I and some live a few hours away from me. 3 of the Russian women are older than I and some are as young as in their early 20's. I don't discriminate against age. One RW is taller than I. I don't discriminate against height. Some were married to RM, some were married to American men. Some came to the States for work, study, on a cultural exchange program, marriage or their families sponsored them. 2 of the women coincidentally live in the same apartment complex but one building apart. Some of the RW listed in my phone I see occasionally, some rarely and some I stopped calling because I'm not interested in them anymore or they found someone else or they are not interested in me anymore.

Some of the women I'm dating is currently or in the past worked anywhere from simple jobs as a maid to a runway model, to professional engineer to doctor. Some are from smaller cities and others from Moscow or Kiev. Some are still in the University. Some of the ladies I'm dating told me they aren't looking for marriage at this time. Based on the way they've behaved with me, I understand they still need male companionship.

One RW who is in her 30's says half the RM writing her are married and the other half are younger than her. Some men are losers or perverts and/or just disrespectful on how they talk to women. There are RW at the site that are married that wanted to go out with me too so some of the women aren't so innocent themselves. I brought flowers for one gal in her late 20's on a first date and she was pleasantly surprised. I asked why she was surprised and she said young Russian men don't do that and one even showed up on a first date with a bottle of Vodka and he wasn't even the guy in the photo in his profile. Based off numerous experiences she recently became turned off by young men and won't waste time going out with them again. She is not alone. A lot of young RW I talked feel the same way.

The more I talked to my RW dates about their experiences and the RM they encountered on the internet, the more I realize that most RM can't compete against a man like me. The worst thing said to me after a date is “I don't feel we have chemistry”. The best things are compliments about my good manners, intelligence, and that I'm well groomed and better looking than the photos in my profile. My most flattering comment came from the doctor who said she seen many naked men in her life and I certainly don't have anything to be ashamed about. If I was living in the FSU, I'm sure I could get the same or more dates based off the man I am and the fact FSU women are in much higher numbers there compared to in the States. FSU women are simply more easier to talk to and dating friendly.

If a RW feels chemistry with me and likes my physical appearance, she will most likely grow more fond of me after learning more about me. Not only do I make RW feel like a lady, I have many skills and I'm am helpful. I may go to their apartment or house and help them with a repair. I treat all of them as friends first and I ask nothing in return. I'm not stupid to the point of letting myself get used as a handyman either. All through my life up to my ex fiancee I was a “one woman at a time man” but now I've tried a different approach and I realized I got more in me than I ever thought. I've got great social skills and confidence to attract a lot of ladies. Sometimes the question comes up about me dating other women and no woman has dumped me because I told her the truth. It's a good sign that a woman would want to continue to date me after knowing she's got competition. They must feel I'm a good catch if they don't want to let go of me.

With all the RW I'm dating locally, there is no reason for me to go overseas again but I would consider it if I found an exceptional woman in all respects. My uncle who seen the photos of some of the ladies I went to see in the FSU came to the conclusion that my standards are high. Theres truth to that and currently I'm not thoroughly happy to the point of proposing marriage with any of the ladies I'm dating now although that could change. Some are inviting me to dinner at their place and showing me some domestic skills of theirs. That's good. I would not marry a woman who lacks basic skills in life.
 
Although I'm focused on RW, I have been talking to a Mexican gal and when an American gal who works as a waitress at Hooters  is done moving to her new apartment, she said she'd like to go out with me. I'm actually not excited about going out with either of them because of a turn of events that just happened.

One of the ladies I had the most meaningful communication with is a gal currently living in Russia. She is in her early 20's and worked in America last summer and going to the University in Russia the rest of the year. I talk to her on the phone a lot and on the internet more than any other woman. She is also family oriented and ask sincere questions about my kids and has a genuine interest in them. When we started to communicate, I asked her where in America she was going. At the time she did not know. I invited her to my city to work and that way we can meet. Later I said if she needs a place to stay while she finds a job, she can stay in my house. A few days ago her visa was accepted and she accepted my invitation as long as I will accept her friend too. In about a month, I will have two college aged girls living with me in my home. My dating habits will change but I will make a quick assessment on if I'm fond of the RW and she with me and if it's not meant to be, I will quickly go back to my normal dating routine and may add a few new faces.

She told me she chose my city because of me. I told her she and her friend can share in the chores and after they get a job, they can help pay for utilities. I wanted to set some rules before their arrival. I also told her that even if we don't get romantically involved, I won't kick her out of the house and she can stay there as long as she's in America. I also told her to bring some of her Russian clothes and mini skirts since American clothing for women is not as attractive. She said “You sound like a man)))) ok I will bring for you)))”

I wouldn't invite just anybody to my house. Before that woman I was communicating with a woman from one of the Baltic States and the people there have biometric passports and can come and go freely to America. One woman there told me she worked in America last year but wants to come back and work and build a life here with a man. All she needs is a plane ticket here. I asked her to send me photos of herself in her native country and in America. She did and most photos were party photos and it's not a wonder why she has not money left to fly to America on her own. It's tempting to purchase a ticket for a young RW who likes to party, have her live with me and contributing heavily to my sex life but I'm not that shallow or stupid and I don't want to have a family and kids with a party animal. The Russian girl and her friend who are coming to live with me are paying their own way to American and back home. They saved up their money on their own and they seem very responsible when it comes to planning for the future. That is why she got an invitation from me instead of the girl that lived in the Baltics.

All my dinner dates with RW living in America cost on average $30. None has taken me shopping or to a restaurant that will put a dent in my pocket. Two women have told me that they expect a man to take care of them when in a relationship and I took it as if they meant with gifts and money but they did not milk me early on in the first few dates. One woman who was going to the university said she was willing to sleep with me for financial help. I told her I could get plenty of sex without having to pay for it. Other than that the rest of the RW I'm dating sincerely likes me.
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 12:40:54 PM »
Read the pt 1 link [I didn't know that story among your posts]
I have seen before that you are among the searching.

If something goes astray and plans fail..strike it up to providence.
That is all you can do.

Usually the Eastern European ladies don't care if they are taller than someone [unless they are a dwarf] or older even.
I still advise email for a couple to four months along with phone calls before settling on a planned visit.

I know disappointment as much as anyone could, but in the end my
hopes were found with the lady in the picture with me.
Best hopes for you and the other sincere members.........

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 06:48:32 PM »
Go with the Mexican.  8)

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 06:54:36 PM »
Go with the Mexican.  8)
:ROFL: Why did I know that was coming?

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 01:04:41 AM »
 If you are honest enough to tell your dates about even the third part of your TR ,
 you have a risk to stay alone the rest of your life 8)
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 06:30:23 AM »
My most flattering comment came from the doctor who said she seen many naked men in her life and I certainly don't have anything to be ashamed about.

Interesting :rolleyes2:   brave girl

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 07:00:44 AM »
Billy you seem like you really need to come out of the closet and fully embrace the fact you like the Russian women hunt and will never stay married long.  Nothing wrong with that.  I suggest the Mexican woman as well.

Not sure your complex with the Russian man.   But most women like men who give them tons of attention.  Most women do not stay married long to men who give them to much attention.  You seem to give a ton of attention to women. 

I suggest you do a porno and call it Bill and Ted's Rooskie adventures.  Who wants to be be Billy's Ted?



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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 07:24:06 AM »
I suggest you do a porno and call it Bill and Ted's Rooskie adventures.  Who wants to be be Billy's Ted?

Maybe this guy?


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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 08:52:10 AM »
The phones are def a biotch!!! Anton wasn't able to get thru to her either?
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 09:11:29 AM »
BillyB,  Sounds like you are having a great time with all the ladies.  Why would you want to get married? 
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 09:55:58 AM »

I know disappointment as much as anyone could, but in the end my
hopes were found with the lady in the picture with me.
Best hopes for you and the other sincere members.........

Karl  

Congrats Karl, I've always said it's not easy to find a perfect match but you seem to have found yours and very happy with your life. I'm not yet at the point you are but that is my goal. My feelings are being a single man is fun but living life with an exceptional woman is much better.  Tim360, my answer to your question is in the previous sentence.

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Not sure your complex with the Russian man.   But most women like men who give them tons of attention.  Most women do not stay married long to men who give them to much attention.  You seem to give a ton of attention to women.

I don't give much attention to women especially since I'm currently dating many and don't have the time to shower anyone with affection. Most of my dates consist of dinner, conversation and that's it. I may give them my time if they need help with something. If anything, some of the complaints I get from my dates is that I'm emotionally flat and not opening up enough for them. I'm not ready to give my heart to anyone at this moment. Some of the RW want to see me much more than I want to see them. I just had this conversation with a white collar professional a few days ago:

RW: Are you afraid of sex?

Me: Why do you ask that?

RW: You seem to be avoiding me.( I see her about twice a week but she wants to see me much more often)

Me: I already told you in the past that we are two very different people and that I can't make any promises to you in terms of a long term relationship or marriage. You are very intelligent and I enjoy the intellectual conversations we have but everytime we go to your place, you want to have sex. I value your friendship and the last thing I want is to lose it because you think I'm using you as a piece of meat.

RW: I'm glad we had this conversation. I want to say don't worry about it, I've never felt you were using me. (Now she wants to see me even more)

All the women I'm dating on a regular basis don't drink or drink very little. They never been drunk. Only one smokes part time. I don't let myself get involved with women who need to be showered with attention and gifts. I do get involved with women who need only me. The average woman I date is a cut above the average woman.


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you seem like you really need to come out of the closet and fully embrace the fact you like the Russian women hunt and will never stay married long.

I'm not doing the hunting.

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Maybe this guy?

Big difference between me and the goofy guy in the photo you posted. It would be beneficial to you to try to find our differences and learn from the better than imply similarities and learn nothing. I've seen his youtube videos and he is desperate, works hard to catch women, targets women that don't seem educated, lacking English and would have a hard time understanding what a nut he is.

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If you are honest enough to tell your dates about even the third part of your TR ,
 you have a risk to stay alone the rest of your life

So what if I tell my dates I'm dating others and been to the FSU and once had a fiancee there? Nobody's dump me yet and so what if one wants to dump me for being honest when the question is asked and I answer? I don't live in fear watching what I say. If one leaves me, I won't be alone forever, there will be others.

On the first date I establish a friendship with the lady and I ask her questions about her dates, experiences on the internet and her past relationships. I don't display any attitude that I'm jealous and I laugh at the goofy men who write her. I don't feel threaten by other men, my competition, who may be dating her. I'm happy if she finds the best man for herself even if it's not me. Maturity is a big plus with women.

Although I try to establish a friendship with a woman to get her comfortable on a first date, there will be physical contact so I can get a read if she is physically attracted to me. Without physical attraction, all there could be is friendship. I may hold her hand, offer her my arm to take when walking together, and kiss her at the beginning and end of a date. Some women may offer their cheek, others offer their tongue.

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The phones are def a biotch!!! Anton wasn't able to get thru to her either?

It's one thing the phones in Uzbekistan can't handle International calls but it's in a sad condition since they can't even handle some local calls since Anton had no success either. I sent some money to Natalia Western Union and told Anton to go to her house and give her the control number so she can use the money to start using the internet. He got in a wreck and never made it to her apartment.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2010, 10:01:18 AM by BillyB »
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2010, 10:04:18 AM »
I know disappointment as much as anyone could, but in the end my
hopes were found with the lady in the picture with me.
Best hopes for you and the other sincere members.........


Good thoughts, works for me Billy
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2010, 01:00:12 PM »
Had a first date late last night with a half Ukrainian and half Spanish woman. She has a unique look to her but she's beautiful. She speaks good English with a Western European accent since she lived in Norway most her life. She also lived in England for a while and traveled to many part of the World.

She's a circus performer and ex model. She is the 2nd local woman I dated that has walked the catwalk and the first circus performer I've ever dated. She's worked even worked with world famous Cirque du Soleil.

She is about 10 years younger than I and she pretty much says the same thing most RW say about me. I look 5-10 years younger than my age. Keep in mind, it is them, not I who says I look younger. She and other women also say I look better in person than in photos. That's a good thing since things are better than they expected.

She, like some of my other dates, say there is a large percentage of married RM trying to hit on her.

Since we both ate dinner earlier, we just had a couple of glasses of wine. She seems to be a humble person and not very materialistic although she was an ex model. She is also kind, graceful and nicely dressed.

She was being cautious when we met and wanted to meet at a restaurant close to her home where she could walk to instead of me picking her up. After the date she was very happy with me and accepted my invitation to drive her back home. I earned some trust during the date and she felt very comfortable with me.

Two kisses happen on that first date. She leaned over and offered her cheek after I presented her with a rose and she leaned over and offered her cheek at the end of the date. I didn't have to try to get a kiss in since she initiated it. She's very happy with me. More happy with me than I with her. I know I already have a second date with her before asking.

In about 2 weeks from now the 2 RW college aged gals I mentioned earlier will be coming to the US to live in my house. My dating habits will change temporarily. I will give all my attention to one RW to see if things will work out with her. I'm not in love with any woman at this moment so I don't mind changing my dating habits but if it doesn't work out with the RW staying at my house, I'm calling up the others back up.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 08:20:02 AM »

 and the last thing I want is to lose it because you think I'm using you as a piece of meat.


Billy, you're such a woman ;)
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 01:23:27 PM »
Billy,

You are having a great time, admit it.  When these two college kids arrive, life will really become crazy.

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 01:57:56 PM »
Billy,

You are having a great time, admit it.  When these two college kids arrive, life will really become crazy.

Yes, I do not deny it. I am having fun. I need no sympathy. The college girls, at least the one I've communicated with me, gave me the impressions she's responsible since she's paying her own way and graduating this year and is a kind and polite woman. She gives me the impression she likes me without being desperate or infatuated. She also seems interested in my kids and always ask what I do with them. Good sign she's sizing me up to be the father of her future kids. She told me she had the chance to get drunk and use drugs a few times in the past but she doesn't want to lead that kind of life. For her age, she's on the right path but who knows? In a few weeks I may be asking you guys for advice on how to get rid of crazy RW destroying my house!

If any relationship is going to work between us, she needs to understand that I have much more life experience than her and she's going to have to trust me on a lot of the decision making and that I'm better qualified to lead our family down the right path. I have the patience and tolerance and it's okay with me if I have to teach her many things in life as long as she's a willing student.

When the two ladies arrive, my first course of action is to help them look for a job. The deal I made with them is that I will only charge rent if they are working so I better get them to work! I have a 5 bedroom house. If I tried hard enough, I could find enough RW with work visas and I could have a full house and be making money! If RW can be in it to make money, so can I. 8)
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 02:17:47 PM »
I remember a funny quote from JR....how did it go?

Something like...."whoooo....whooooo.....does anybody hear that train coming?"

Billy, Of course you haven't posted much about those college girls, but maybe they are just looking for a place to live and are thinking..Billy he is such a nice man, so polite etc. etc. Paying their own way so as not to give the wrong impression.

Of course you know better and I am sure the thought has crossed your mind, but I just wanted to mention it.


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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 02:21:13 PM »
Billy,
Seems you've covered most of the scenarios with these two RW coming to live at your house and specifically the one that you have some pre-arrival interest in. Maybe you did mention it earlier in the thread and I missed it but, what will happen if you have serious interest in this woman but she has none for you? Maybe she even finds another to give her affection and attention to. What does that do to the living arrangement?

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 04:21:19 PM »
...."whoooo....whooooo.....does anybody hear that train coming?"

Billy, Of course you haven't posted much about those college girls, but maybe they are just looking for a place to live and are thinking..Billy he is such a nice man, so polite etc. etc. Paying their own way so as not to give the wrong impression.


The gal I communicated with already has worked in NY and has friends there. Only after many phone and messages did I determine she's a good woman and with a good woman, there is potential so I invited her to come to Seattle so she could work and we could meet. I did not offer her a place to stay the first time I invited her.

I have a secret profile I created to get into some ladies heads. I use this profile to say things I normally won't say with my own profile. My secret profile is used to find out if the woman is into money or likes to talk like a low class hoe. The college gal won't engage in conversation that is about money or sex although she admits she likes physical intimacy but it is reserved only for the current man in her life and at this time, there is no current man.

Train Wreck? I doubt it. I treat her as a friend first and even if I got into a relationship with her and it didn't work out, I would not cry about it or call her a scammer. Some people look at their past relationships as wrecks, I look at it as part of life. Most relationships don't last forever.

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Billy,
Seems you've covered most of the scenarios with these two RW coming to live at your house and specifically the one that you have some pre-arrival interest in. Maybe you did mention it earlier in the thread and I missed it but, what will happen if you have serious interest in this woman but she has none for you? Maybe she even finds another to give her affection and attention to. What does that do to the living arrangement?


I would never have serious interest in a woman that has little or no interest in me. There are enough women in the World who'd be interested in me that it would be a waste of time and emotions focusing on a woman that has no interest in me.  I've already told her if we are not interested in a relationship with each other, she is free to stay for the 4 months her visa allows. I won't kick her out.

If she wants to find another man, I would not be jealous one bit. WE are not in a relationship with each other so we don't owe anything to each other. I can go back and get a date or multiple dates everyday if I wanted too. I am a friend first to all the ladies I'm dating and I tell them I'm not jealous if they are talking to other men. One reason RW like me so much is because I'm emotionally mature and don't seem desperate.
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2010, 09:25:33 AM »
LMAOROTF! I have never met an FSU woman that would agree with that! Right or wrong...they are never wrong and almost always have to learn things the hard way!  :D

If any relationship is going to work between us, she needs to understand that I have much more life experience than her and she's going to have to trust me on a lot of the decision making and that I'm better qualified to lead our family down the right path. I have the patience and tolerance and it's okay with me if I have to teach her many things in life as long as she's a willing student.
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 04:54:40 PM »
Right or wrong...they are never wrong and almost always have to learn things the hard way!  :D


From my experience, once a RW determines that you're a MAN, she will listen to what you have to say and accept it.



In another thread some people were concerned about those who make secret profiles to test people I said this and I want to expand on it: I don't know what kind of tests women have done in the past to test your honesty but there is nothing wrong with "trust but verify". It is stupid to give anyone unconditional trust so to trust we have to test and/or evaluate a person's behavior over time. If a guy has a woman on the internet that says he's the only man and talks about lifetime commitment yet she continues to behave in way that makes it untrue, then it's to a man's benefit to find out. Internet dating has changed a lot of rules. People don't have the face to face time to evaluate each others behavior. It's unbelievably stupid to give a stranger 100% of your trust through the internet and have thoughts that person and you will be married for life. It's better to find out now if your significant other can be monogamous with a simple test instead of learning the hard way10 years from now being married with children. Besides a lot of married men on the net looking to commit adultery, there are a lot of RW doing it too.

Two RW will be living with me in a few weeks. I'm not jealous if they are communicating with other men but I'm confident they are not working other men on the internet to get to America or for personal interests. I don't want to bring con artists into my home. Sleazy or smart on my part? It's my life, not anybody elses and I'm going to take care of it.


First off, I'm not in a relationship with anybody. There is no reason for me to test someones commitment to me when there is none.

In my previous marriage, I never tested my wife, checked her emails, or hired a detective since I had lots of face to face time with her. Although she did go through my computer, it didn't bother me because I didn't have anything to hide. I was not worried about my ex committing adultery on me. I sleep good at night.

I knew when I wrote that I created a secret profile some people won't agree. Thank you to those who disagree since you didn't take my thread and turn it into a one HOT topic debate. Maybe it's a good subject for another thread?

There's not much anyone can do to change my mind on this issue. Even if 10 out of 10 RW came here said they don't like me because I made a secret profile I wouldn't care. They may not like me but they will respect me. One thing I learned about myself is that I prefer to be respected more than liked. Only after a woman respects me, then she can love me. Being a nice, kind, helpful, naive, and easily taken advantage of kind of guy may get sympathy and gain friends, but a woman can't love a man(idiot) she has no respect for. Being a guy that doesn't let my guard down and a guy that is protective and take care of business in life is something RW like. Most RW want a man that doesn't allow himself or his wife or children be subject to scams, cons, or the overall BS life will throw at them. The tactics to protect his family my be frowned upon by others but it is a MANs responsibility to take care of his family the best way he can. RW do care about survival in life more than her Western sisters. In America when crap happens to a woman, it usually isn't fatal or financially devastating compared to what RW are up against.

Another reason I won't buy the argument of those who disagree with making a secret profile is that most of you are gender bias. Your stance against me making a secret profile is more driven because I'm a man, not because you feel what I'm doing is wrong.

Some years ago Facetrock went on a VO trip and his gal was going to be somewhere else for a good part of the day so her friend was his tour guide for a while. Her friend occasionally tried to hold his hand and cozy up to him but Facetrock maintained his distance. Later Facetrock's gal thrillingly hugged him for passing the test she administered. He certainly scored big points with his woman. Nobody in the forum accused his gal of being low class and sleazy.

If I got a male friend to make advances on my girlfriend or wife to test her, I certainly would be treated differently at the forum since I'm a male. I read forums long enough to understand males and females give special preferences to questionable behavior by women.

I'm going to steal something I/O posted recently “Charles Sobrash (Perhaps the best of all con men) once said, the most difficult man to deceive is an honest man.”

I'm not going to tell you I'm the most honest man and thus I can't be deceived. What I will tell you is that I'm honest with myself and I understand I have weaknesses and can be conned but I will keep my guard up and take preventive measures to protect myself and the loved ones in my life.

Another issue I want to bring up is that some people who disagree with me on certain topics elsewhere feel the need to throw a low blow to hurt my efeelings by saying no woman would want to stay in a relationship with me for more than X amount of years because I'm a hunter of women. My efeelings are hurt and as I type this, a tear runs down my cheek.

Some people tend to read what they want to read but fail to read everything or just want to take selective parts of what they read to take a jab at someone. I will now repeat what I wrote in the past before some people give everyone here the impression I'm a playboy/sex tourist.

I've never dated more than one woman at a time until late last year. All my 10+ trips to the FSU has been VO and  mostly visiting the same woman over and over. When I was in a relationship with that woman, although I was halfway across the World from her, I never wrote anyone else or dated local woman. I have never cheated on any woman I was in a relationship with.

I seen my flaws when dating one woman at a time so I'm doing things differently. It doesn't mean that I am not capable of committing myself to one woman.
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 05:12:25 PM »
Billy I am sorry if my comment added to your pain.  I intended no insult to you, I was speaking about "testing using a fake profile" in concept and not how it applied to your situation.

As my sig below says, I follow my own morals... and they apply only to me.  I do not expect anyone else to have the same rules for themselves that I follow.  Nor do I judge people that chose a different course of action as long as no one gets hurt.

It would not be a thing I would do.  It has been done to me, and I was hurt and offended.  So I won't do it to others because of my reaction to my personal experience with being tested this way.

You (and others) may have reacted differently in the same situation.  I base my opinion on my own past... I was only speaking for myself.  I did not mean to cast you in a bad light.

I am sorry if I did.
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 05:24:13 PM »
Billy I am sorry if my comment added to your pain.  I intended no insult to you, I was speaking about "testing using a fake profile" in concept and not how it applied to your situation.


Don't sweat it Seeker. No insult taken and I like you much more than I hate you. :D  I know some people would disagree with me and I know myself not to be a sleazy playboy kind of guy so I'm not threatened that it's true about me. It's ok to disagree with me but I just wanted to expand on my view and motives on why I did what I did. The gal that is going to live in my house has always been classy, respectful and elegant in her writings to me and between us, we have over 500 messages. Before inviting her to my city to work and into my home, I wanted to make sure she's not a pro at conning men. I like to think I'm good at figuring out people based on their written word but I know I can make mistakes. If it makes you or anyone else feel better, a tear did not run down my cheek when I typed the last post. Remember what a couple of my RW dates have said about me? I'm emotionally flat.
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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 05:44:16 PM »
From my experience, once a RW determines that you're a MAN, she will listen to what you have to say and accept it.

Listen, maybe, accept it? Sorry, IMHO, that kind of attitude will lead most men to a divorce  ;)

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Re: Life Changes...Part Deux
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 12:31:23 AM »
LMAOROTF! I have never met an FSU woman that would agree with that! Right or wrong...they are never wrong and almost always have to learn things the hard way!  :D


boaterguy, why? I totally agree with what BillyB said in your quote.

More than that, an educated RW as I am, I would consider putting Billy's words in my profile. I'd be a willing student in relation to a man who 'd teach me many things in life that he knows.
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