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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #125 on: August 31, 2021, 12:02:34 AM »
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=25293.msg558915#msg558915

mRNA vaccines have been tested, including on pregnant women, since 2006.

I will defer to the opinions of scientists.  When I need to build a house, I will defer to your expertise.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #126 on: August 31, 2021, 12:15:43 AM »
Looks like things are bad in the US with the virus, infections way up, shortages of beds, oxygen & staff shortages etc. A case of an anti vaxxer campaigner in Texas who didn't make it:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/28/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine.amp.html

Just 30 so people are getting hit increasingly younger it seems if thet don't have the vaccine, when will these people learn. Also some silly female teacher imposed the virus risk on all her pupils by not being vaccinated or wearing  mask.

Here in the UK infection rate down a bit for yesterday's figures, deaths also down quite a lot, just 48. Possibly might be due to counting over the weekend so will have to see if it's just a temporary blip or a trend downwards now however long it may last.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #127 on: August 31, 2021, 09:22:14 PM »

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=25293.msg558915#msg558915

mRNA vaccines have been tested, including on pregnant women, since 2006.

I will defer to the opinions of scientists.  When I need to build a house, I will defer to your expertise.

The inventor of mRNA vaccines, Dr Malone, says the COVID vaccines are unsafe for pregnant women. He also talks about other dangers.

http://rumble.com/vlx5og-dr.-robert-malone-inventor-of-mrna-vaccines-talks-about-dangers-of-covid-19.html


Here's a scientist that says the vaccine for the original virus actually helps the variants infect us. That is the worst case nightmare scenario my experts and Fauci said in a recent video I provided. Trudeau just secured 8 jabs for every man woman and child in Canada. Bad move and possibly even evil.

http://t.me/WeTheMedia/31637


I also follow the ex VP and chief science officer of Pfizer, discover of HIV and French Nobel Peace Prize winner, and ex senior project manager of epidemics for the Gates Foundation who has a lifetime of experience in vaccines. There's no reason to ignore those experts. There are many more doctors/scientists that say the same thing they are saying but the media ignores all of them and social media censors them. They say the vaccines are dangerous and can lead to world depopulation. They all seen the data and say what is going on could amount to crimes against humanity. There are people with masters degrees that fell for the government and media BS and there are people who dropped out of high school that can see through the BS. Actually, the most vaccine hesitant group is the one with PhDs.


Study in Israel say those vaccinated 27 times more likely to be infected by virus than those with natural immunity. Israel had their worst day yesterday, worst than any day in the winter when our immune systems are at their weakest. All heavily vaccinated countries had very bad outbreaks in summer. This winter may be very deadly.

http://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/


RFK Jr, nephew of JFK, warns us what government is doing and they are up to no good.

http://t.me/LinWoodChannel/4745


White House rolls out booster plans without FDA and CDC say. Two senior FDA personnel involved in vaccine approvals resign. Governments, not science is in control.

http://endpts.com/breaking-in-a-major-blow-to-vaccine-efforts-senior-fda-leaders-stepping-down-report/

http://www.biopharmadive.com/news/marion-gruber-phil-krause-leaving-fda/605859/

http://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/two-fda-vaccine-officials-to-step-down-after-covid-clearances

http://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/u-s-gives-blessing-covid-19-boosters-for-all-september-but-fda-still-needs-to-sign-off


In 2018, the Q awareness program said for them to get power and control, there will be mass extinction events that involve big pharma and vaccines. Just one of the reasons MSM and politicians including Biden attack Q relentlessly. I heavily criticize politicians all the time and I can't even get the attention of lowly CNN.

http://qalerts.app/?n=1010



2017 John Hopkins study was funded by Bill Gates. It was done to predict a future pandemic and how to deal with it. The title was "The SPARS Pandemic". They played out the pandemic before it happened to get an idea on how it would go down. It's a long read but here's a brief rundown.

In 2023 a novel coronavirus that originated in Asia shows up on earth.

They name the new virus SPARS-CoV and use social media to help spread the word on how to combat it.

Early case fatality rate was 4.7% causing panic but in the end, case fatality rate was determined to be only 0.6% which is a little more dangerous than the flu.

In less than a year, a vaccine was created named Corovax. Massive ad campaign was created to get people vaccinated.

Anti vaccine groups emerges claiming the vaccines aren't safe, long term side effects not known, and not enough testing done.

Government uses social media and other means in their effort to vaccinate the entire population and combat the anti vaccine message.

The study concluded the very real possibility of a future SPARS pandemic that necessitates continued commitment to vaccination programs.

http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/spars-pandemic-scenario-copy.pdf


After 40 years of trying, another HIV vaccine fails. Coronavirus vaccines had the same history as HIV vaccines which consist of nothing but failures until they cleverly got us to like putting the stuff into our bodies.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/johnson-johnson-hiv-vaccine-candidate-fails-mid-stage-trial/ar-AANWsss?ocid=msedgntp


I've spent a lot of time helping educate people for the benefit of their health. Government insisting people take experimental vaccines without giving a pass to those who have natural immunity isn't a bad mistake anymore. There's something sinister going on.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #128 on: September 01, 2021, 08:06:05 AM »
While some aimlessly fire their blunderbuss, others take aim accurately with data in hand...

 

In the state where I am at:

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The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services yesterday released new data in the weekly respiratory surveillance report showing that unvaccinated people were 15.4 times, or 1,540 percent, more likely to die from COVID-19 during the four-week period ending Aug. 21, 2021. This comes as the state hit a pandemic high on Aug. 26 with 912 adults in the ICU with COVID-19. The number of COVID-19 patients on ventilators also reached a record high at 574.

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During the week ending Aug. 21, 2021, unvaccinated people were also 4.4 times, or 440 percent, more likely to catch COVID-19 than vaccinated people. The difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated teens was even greater during the week ending Aug. 21, 2021, with unvaccinated people aged 12 to 17 being 6.3 times, or 630 percent, more likely to get COVID-19 than vaccinated people in the same age group.

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-releases/2021/08/27/adult-icu-patients-hit-record-highs-pandemic-new-report-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-more-15-times

Likely to be quite similar nationwide. 

Bottom line:

Oxygen shortages, nursing shortages and tough decisions are having to be made, are primarily due to the unvaccinated.









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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #129 on: September 01, 2021, 08:49:48 AM »
These reported numbers MUST be taken with a grain of salt. There is no discernible proof in these reported numbers but just an obvious, almost predictable, relationship pattern in reporting these numbers.

When vaccination of teenagers came around, reports of unvaccinated teenagers dying started flooding the media. Children, same. etc...what they don't report openly is regardless of vaccination, people are still dying that have comorbidities, chief amongst them are the overweight/obese people. This reality strikes through risk markers via demographics.

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. You feel you need to get vaccinated, by all means do. If you fall on the overly-reported set of people that fell to this virus, use every precautionary measure you can for yourself, and for those around you. Pay no mind to all the chatter from both sides.

Pay attention to the available science in front of you. Do NOT be swayed by the media of all sources.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #130 on: September 01, 2021, 09:22:35 AM »


I'm not an anti-vaxxer. You feel you need to get vaccinated, by all means do. If you fall on the overly-reported set of people that fell to this virus, use every precautionary measure you can for yourself, and for those around you. Pay no mind to all the chatter from both sides.

Pay attention to the available science in front of you. Do NOT be swayed by the media of all sources.

I listened to convincing arguments from both sides yesterday.   Since I'm healthy and feel I must have already been infected I have leaned towards not getting the vaccine.    I'm starting to feel the pinch of restrictions though, so I think that pressure will make me get vaccinated soon.  I think the risk of getting a vaccine is infinitesimal, so at a certain point it seems like just getting it done is better.   It also seems boosters will become a yearly thing from what I'm hearing. 

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #131 on: September 01, 2021, 10:12:10 AM »
FT, in your shoes, I would get vaccinated solely so that I could visit my father. 



http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=722

Robert Malone did not invent the mRNA vaccine.  The research he did also wasn't his, exclusively.

http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/


The rest of the QAnon rabbit hole doesn't deserve a serious response. 
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #132 on: September 01, 2021, 10:53:36 AM »
Unbelievable!

This vaccination madness had come this!!!

This judge rescinded the order a day later, but why the heck is our world even coming remotely close to this madness??!!!
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #133 on: September 01, 2021, 12:57:16 PM »
These reported numbers MUST be taken with a grain of salt. There is no discernible proof in these reported numbers but just an obvious, almost predictable, relationship pattern in reporting these numbers.

GQ,

I've seen estimates that approx 40-60 percent of the US population have some health factors that may be related to severity of infection and death.  Indeed, some population groups may have more than others.  In addition, there may be genetic factors as well that are related to susceptibility and severity. http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01773-7

Still a lot to be learned about the bug, but plenty of reports of young, healthy folks without health problems getting sick and dying.

Agree fully that there is a lot of confusing and even conflicting information making the rounds from a number of official and unofficial sources. 




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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #134 on: September 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM »
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Study in Israel say those vaccinated 27 times more likely to be infected by virus than those with natural immunity. Israel had their worst day yesterday, worst than any day in the winter when our immune systems are at their weakest. All heavily vaccinated countries had very bad outbreaks in summer. This winter may be very deadly.


That is how all vaccines work.


When I was screened for all sorts of things when pregnant, the doctor asked me if I'd had measles and rubella, as my immunities were "off the charts".  Yes, I had both rubella and measles when I was a baby.  Had I had vaccinations as a child, I would have been at risk for reinfection without regular booster shots.  Those are very common vaccines, and they have less debilitating effects than does COVID.


The problem with your statement is that one has to be infected with COVID to get those immunities.  It may not be an issue to go through COVID, but you could say that about any infectious disease.  Why get an MMR vaccine?  Why whooping cough?  Why the flu?  Most people who get these infections don't die from them. 



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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #135 on: September 01, 2021, 10:25:53 PM »
Here’s an interesting article on another scientist whose contributions were critical to the development of mRNA vaccines. It’s a cool article.

http://tinyurl.com/u2u9e6jt
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #136 on: September 01, 2021, 10:29:13 PM »
This is almost funny. Well, okay hopefully he’ll be fine but karma’s a b*tch! I listen to Joe Rogan Experience. Arguably the hottest podcast in circulation. He’s had Neil DeGrasse, Elon Musk, Ed Snowden, and a slew of UFC stalwarts, and plenty of notables folks from politics, entertainment, science community, etc…

Joe is a comedian, UFC host, ex-Fear Factor host, and an overall great guy.

Anyway, being a jujitsu black belt and an avid health freak, Joe got in hot water not too long ago when he said that if someone asked him if they should get vaccinated, he basically replied that if you’re young, fit etc..you really have nothing to worry about so he said his answer would be no. He even double downed on it.

LMAO. Then he got bit!


I thought ‘funny’ because of the regimen he undertook to battle with the virus. Damn! In comparison, I didn’t even take an aspirin, and I’m older than the guy.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #137 on: September 01, 2021, 11:41:21 PM »
While some aimlessly fire their blunderbuss, others take aim accurately with data in hand...

 

In the state where I am at:

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-releases/2021/08/27/adult-icu-patients-hit-record-highs-pandemic-new-report-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-more-15-times

Likely to be quite similar nationwide. 

Bottom line:

Oxygen shortages, nursing shortages and tough decisions are having to be made, are primarily due to the unvaccinated.


Almost everybody in Israel is vaccinated and yesterday they had 30% more single day infections than any day last Winter. They are breaking a new record everyday. Infections are skyrocketing in heavily vaccinated countries because immune systems are compromised. Just wait to see what happens this winter when our immune systems are at their weakest.

If hospitals can terminate the jobs of medical personnel because they are unvaccinated, then we don't have a pandemic emergency. Seriously, last years heroes aren't needed this year if hospitals are going to fire them. I've attended 4 public hearings, everybody packed in like sardines and nobody wearing masks. Most of the people at the hearings are old and nobody is worried anymore. Although my governor mandated masks indoors again, I don't wear one. I go to the gym and most people don't wear them. The worst violators are from Eastern Europe. They don't like control by way of BS. The reason most of you aren't triple masked and quadruple jabbed right now is because people like me who resist. Everybody who is complying is making the problem worse by giving government more control.

Those who would give us essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Ben Franklin


Seriously guys, if you think the masks and vaccines are miracle cures, you don't need the government's permission to give yourself a little extra protection. Wear triple masks and get quadruple jabbed. I'm sticking with natural immunity and no masks.



Unbelievable!

This vaccination madness had come this!!!

This judge rescinded the order a day later, but why the heck is our world even coming remotely close to this madness??!!!

Our media isn't showing us what is going on in other countries. New Zealand had one COVID death this year and they're still under total lockdown. Australia has gone totalitarian. Truckers strike all over the country in protest. I've seen kids pulled from parents so the authorities can vaccinate them. People in France denied entry into a food market. Governments denying us benefits, rights, including the right to shop for food doesn't seem like a very caring government to me. Totalitarian governments would use a pandemic like this to gain more control and take away freedoms.




Robert Malone did not invent the mRNA vaccine.  The research he did also wasn't his, exclusively.

http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/


The rest of the QAnon rabbit hole doesn't deserve a serious response. 

There's no such thing as QAnon. That was made up by the media to make Q look bad. All lies. Ask yourself why the media and Democrats would spend so much attention and years on this topic? Truth hurts them. Believing what the media says is going down a rabbit hole. If I read Q's posts in 2018, I would dismiss the predictions of election rigging to turn us into slaves, depopulation and control through pharma and vaccines. But now, seems like Q was right. The scary thing is that what we're seeing is not the worst they claimed will come from our leaders. They skimmed some uranium from the pile they sent to Russia and sent it to North Korea, Iran, and Syria and after a dirty bomb was created and used on a western city, we'd trace the isotopes back to Russia giving a deep state president support to start a major world war against Russia. That deep state president was thought to be Hillary. All these crisis we're seeing are engineered. It's a game for them. Afghanistan is the current game being played.

A video I posted earlier show how they erased Dr. Malone's history to make him look insignificant. Kinda like Stalin deleting pictures and rewriting history of people he didn't like. It's happening with a lot of people who don't go along with the narrative and it's getting worse to the point of being dangerous. Don't supply recent hit pieces on anti COVID vaccine doctors who never been against past vaccines. There is a good reason many doctors and scientists are against the COVID vaccine and have older articles talking about them that are honest. Dr. Malone has lots of patents and worked at Ft. Detrick which is the US miltary's place where they create biological and chemical weapons. He has a pretty good brain in his head.

http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2762315/

This article said Dr. Malone invented the MRNA delivery system. The Atlantic is a tool used by the Deep State to spread propaganda. Remember when they said their anonymous sources said Trump said dead soldiers were losers and suckers?

http://the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/


Aren't you guys alarmed that two high level FDA members resigned due to the White House running the vaccine booster show overstepping the FDA? BIG RED FLAG. I wasn't wrong when I said the government, not science is dictating events. The same guy who did Afghanistan wants to pump more experimental vaccines into your body before FDA approval. It makes more sense now government commercials say the vaccines are safe and effective contrary to FDA Fact sheets that say the significant risks and benefits of the vaccines are unknown.

The more you take vaccines, the greater risk of getting ADE(Antibody Dependent Enhancement) which the disease is made worst by the vaccine. Because the vaccines don't stop infection, they are turning people into human petri dishes which makes anti vaccine variants as the virus learns to be vaccine created defenses. People who fight with their natural immune system do not create anti vaccine variants that will hurt vaxxers in the future.

After decades of research, no coronavirus or mRNA vaccine of any kind has every been approved for use on humans. Lots of injured and dead animals is why they fail. Learn from history or it's going to repeat except this time it'll be humans, not animals that get hurt. What are the chances they finally get it right on not one but THREE vaccines in America and dozens of vaccines elsewhere in the world all at the same time? With experimental vaccines there is an experiment. This could end badly but you don't have to participate. Better to sit back and watch crimes against humanity happening to other people instead of on your family.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #138 on: September 01, 2021, 11:43:06 PM »
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #139 on: September 02, 2021, 12:02:58 AM »
A new, peer reviewed study.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210901191407.htm


Months ago I linked an interview with ex VP of Pfizer and Chief Science officer saying peer review journals used to be a good source but they've been bought out by special interests. Scientists that don't go along with the narrative don't get funding. So basically scientists better say what politicians want or they're out of a job. Politicians manipulate science and then tell us to follow the science. Brilliant! First it was Climate Change and now it's vaccines.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2021, 05:09:16 AM »

The problem with your statement is that one has to be infected with COVID to get those immunities.  It may not be an issue to go through COVID, but you could say that about any infectious disease.  Why get an MMR vaccine?  Why whooping cough?  Why the flu?  Most people who get these infections don't die from them.

Because none of those viruses were man made and the vaccines for them were thoroughly tested before they were rolled out, not after. The numbers are wrong, they are lying to you. If you wish to believe the wet market/bat cave theory or the great escape from the Wuhan lab theory, then do so but don't use "science" as your defense in the debate. Maybe a better question to ask yourself is "why is this virus here and how did it get here?" Also, why are the same people seemingly behind the virus, also offering the supposed "cure" for the virus. There appears to be a serious bait and switch going on yet it's being ignored.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #141 on: September 02, 2021, 05:13:12 AM »
Almost everybody in Israel is vaccinated and yesterday they had 30% more single day infections than any day last Winter. They are breaking a new record everyday. Infections are skyrocketing in heavily vaccinated countries because immune systems are compromised. Just wait to see what happens this winter when our immune systems are at their weakest.

You are overinvested in your Q and anon headlines, BillyB.  Instead of asking questions, you publish mis and disinformation.

http://ycharts.com/indicators/israel_coronavirus_tests_administered_per_day
http://www.timesofisrael.com/testing-testing-and-more-testing-israel-lays-out-plan-for-reopening-schools/

Of course, with more testing, more infections will be detected.  Likely a larger number of asymptomatic cases as well.


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If hospitals can terminate the jobs of medical personnel because they are unvaccinated, then we don't have a pandemic emergency. Seriously, last years heroes aren't needed this year if hospitals are going to fire them. I've attended 4 public hearings, everybody packed in like sardines and nobody wearing masks. Most of the people at the hearings are old and nobody is worried anymore. Although my governor mandated masks indoors again, I don't wear one. I go to the gym and most people don't wear them. The worst violators are from Eastern Europe. They don't like control by way of BS. The reason most of you aren't triple masked and quadruple jabbed right now is because people like me who resist. Everybody who is complying is making the problem worse by giving government more control.

You are a part of the problem the US faces today, Billy B.  Without record numbers of hospitalizations in many cities, counties and states, there would be less demand for nurses.

Those who would give us essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Seriously guys, if you think the masks and vaccines are miracle cures, you don't need the government's permission to give yourself a little extra protection. Wear triple masks and get quadruple jabbed. I'm sticking with natural immunity and no masks.

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Our media isn't showing us what is going on in other countries. New Zealand had one COVID death this year and they're still under total lockdown. Australia has gone totalitarian. Truckers strike all over the country in protest. I've seen kids pulled from parents so the authorities can vaccinate them. People in France denied entry into a food market. Governments denying us benefits, rights, including the right to shop for food doesn't seem like a very caring government to me. Totalitarian governments would use a pandemic like this to gain more control and take away freedoms.

You have a penchant of trying to find the worst countries that fit your agenda, BillyB.  What you do not note is that most of these countries you complain about, neither affect you, nor do they have the problems your own country does dealing with the virus.

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There's no such thing as QAnon. That was made up by the media to make Q look bad. All lies. Ask yourself why the media and Democrats would spend so much attention and years on this topic? Truth hurts them. Believing what the media says is going down a rabbit hole. If I read Q's posts in 2018, I would dismiss the predictions of election rigging to turn us into slaves, depopulation and control through pharma and vaccines. But now, seems like Q was right. The scary thing is that what we're seeing is not the worst they claimed will come from our leaders. They skimmed some uranium from the pile they sent to Russia and sent it to North Korea, Iran, and Syria and after a dirty bomb was created and used on a western city, we'd trace the isotopes back to Russia giving a deep state president support to start a major world war against Russia. That deep state president was thought to be Hillary. All these crisis we're seeing are engineered. It's a game for them. Afghanistan is the current game being played.

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A video I posted earlier show how they erased Dr. Malone's history to make him look insignificant. Kinda like Stalin deleting pictures and rewriting history of people he didn't like. It's happening with a lot of people who don't go along with the narrative and it's getting worse to the point of being dangerous. Don't supply recent hit pieces on anti COVID vaccine doctors who never been against past vaccines. There is a good reason many doctors and scientists are against the COVID vaccine and have older articles talking about them that are honest. Dr. Malone has lots of patents and worked at Ft. Detrick which is the US miltary's place where they create biological and chemical weapons. He has a pretty good brain in his head.

http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2762315/

This article said Dr. Malone invented the MRNA delivery system. The Atlantic is a tool used by the Deep State to spread propaganda. Remember when they said their anonymous sources said Trump said dead soldiers were losers and suckers?

http://the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/

More appeal to an authority that has no current work on the coronavirus, no studies, and no peer reviewed papers on the subject.


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Aren't you guys alarmed that two high level FDA members resigned due to the White House running the vaccine booster show overstepping the FDA? BIG RED FLAG. I wasn't wrong when I said the government, not science is dictating events. The same guy who did Afghanistan wants to pump more experimental vaccines into your body before FDA approval. It makes more sense now government commercials say the vaccines are safe and effective contrary to FDA Fact sheets that say the significant risks and benefits of the vaccines are unknown.

I hear Russia needs some hired help more familiar with FDA approvals.  Report back in a month what happened to these folks.

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The more you take vaccines, the greater risk of getting ADE(Antibody Dependent Enhancement) which the disease is made worst by the vaccine. Because the vaccines don't stop infection, they are turning people into human petri dishes which makes anti vaccine variants as the virus learns to be vaccine created defenses. People who fight with their natural immune system do not create anti vaccine variants that will hurt vaxxers in the future.

Again, anyone that is infected has the potential of creating a variant.  There are close to 5000 variants identified so far.

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After decades of research, no coronavirus or mRNA vaccine of any kind has every been approved for use on humans. Lots of injured and dead animals is why they fail. Learn from history or it's going to repeat except this time it'll be humans, not animals that get hurt. What are the chances they finally get it right on not one but THREE vaccines in America and dozens of vaccines elsewhere in the world all at the same time? With experimental vaccines there is an experiment. This could end badly but you don't have to participate. Better to sit back and watch crimes against humanity happening to other people instead of on your family.

You are trying to play Nostradamus by writing history before it happens.  Folks sell 'good' numbers for lotto as well.  History doesn't work that way, BillyB.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #142 on: September 02, 2021, 07:08:03 AM »
  Maybe a better question to ask yourself is "why is this virus here and how did it get here?"
What took the virus so long to come? In the world there are countless trillions opportunities for a virus to mutate, why did it take this long for a virus to mutate into a more deadly form? 

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I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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« Reply #143 on: September 02, 2021, 11:09:47 AM »
FP,

FT does make a good point.  Time is a factor.  From virus of the century, we're down to a decade or less.  Our extremely mobile population makes fast spreading possible.  The other side of the planet is only hours away.  In the 'old days', might take a month or even three, by then folks died along the way on ships and were thrown overboard, helping stop transmission and spread.

The 4000++ variants thus far with COVID-19 is not because this virus is somehow unique, but instead due to the large numbers of  hosts and transmissions.  Also consider this large number is only known because the scientists are collecting large numbers of samples to run through their gene machines.  We've been collecting samples in the animal world in an extremely limited fashion, so are able to detect very few variants, despite many being produced in the wild in animal hosts that aren't having swabs shoved up their noses.  Until now such expensive machines were only affordable via research grants, so relatively few were available.

Maybe now that the world has woken up to the true threat, excess capacity will be made available for more animal studies.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #144 on: September 02, 2021, 05:06:05 PM »
Virus cases not improved here, virus & death count went down over the bank holiday but weren't accounted for fully. So count after bank holiday up taking into account those that weren't counted over the bank holiday. It's even looking like the virus infection rate & deaths may even be going up a bit. Schools go back next week so they might fuel the virus even more.

So just doing a quick calc, 30,000 counted infections a day as a rough average times by 30 days for a rough month mean 900,000 infections a month. We'll round it up to 1 million infections for easy maths. So it could take 5 years to go through 60 million people in a country of roughly 66 million people or so. Many infections many go unreported/unnoticed but even still these rough figures indicate that due to the rate of spread it may end up an almost continual thing for the time being of people being infected and then possibly being later reinfected just a year or so later possibly in some cases not even that.

So I'm not so sure that we will see an end to the current situation for a while. Don't know if many more people are coming forward to get vaccinated now or still holding out.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #145 on: September 03, 2021, 08:59:15 AM »
What took the virus so long to come? In the world there are countless trillions opportunities for a virus to mutate, why did it take this long for a virus to mutate into a more deadly form? 

Fathertime!

Technically speaking, or scientifically speaking depending on your leanings - the virus itself alone isn't as deadly by itself...CDC reported only 6% of deaths was caused by COVID-19 alone.

Meaning, the person who was infected by COVID and eventually died because of it didn't have no other 'contributing' medical condition that brought about the fateful ending. They estimated in 2020 that the majority of the folks infected with COVID had, on average, 2.6 additional medical condition that ultimately caused the person's death. CDC changed this estimate now to be at 4.0 additional medical condition (on average) for 2021.

This information doesn't negate the veracity of COVID-19 as being the chief trigger to speed up the demise of people with additional medical condition. Often referred to as *high risk individuals*.

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article245382320.html

So, if you fall unto the group described as having two or more 'medical conditions' described on CDC's link, and you seek additional precaution, then the available science at this time tells you vaccine maybe a calling to you.

I am unvaccinated, and having infected with this virus myself, and living through it within the week, I can tell you it felt as though this pest was browsing through my innards and organs looking for the weakest link. Especially in my lungs. You can feel it. You can also feel your autoimmune kicking in and battling it. It was bizarre. I think this is why you feel this intense feeling of fatigue.

I just really wish someone gag Tony Fauci altogether and shut him up. That idiot is the one that started all these confusing/contradicting messages that started the current mistrust and skepticism.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #146 on: September 03, 2021, 04:06:38 PM »
FP,

FT does make a good point.  Time is a factor.  From virus of the century, we're down to a decade or less.  Our extremely mobile population makes fast spreading possible.  The other side of the planet is only hours away.  In the 'old days', might take a month or even three, by then folks died along the way on ships and were thrown overboard, helping stop transmission and spread.

The 4000++ variants thus far with COVID-19 is not because this virus is somehow unique, but instead due to the large numbers of  hosts and transmissions.  Also consider this large number is only known because the scientists are collecting large numbers of samples to run through their gene machines.  We've been collecting samples in the animal world in an extremely limited fashion, so are able to detect very few variants, despite many being produced in the wild in animal hosts that aren't having swabs shoved up their noses.  Until now such expensive machines were only affordable via research grants, so relatively few were available.

Maybe now that the world has woken up to the true threat, excess capacity will be made available for more animal studies.

No he doesn't and he misses the point entirely. So do you. The point is this virus and trying to compare it to other viruses that have been spread across the globe through time is pointless. What took it so long? Really? This virus would never have existed if not for leaders with a lab and a God complex. This virus isn't an accident and it is here purposely. The reaction to it and the power grabs as a result of it by those in power evidently is way over your head and his. If you would awaken for just a bit you might come to realize it.

Covid isn't an accident. It didn't morph in a wet market or escape from a level 4 lab. They are lying to you. The CDC can put up some flashy charts and graphs for you and you're in hook, line and sinker. The virus was unleashed with evil intent on mankind. I'm scared, really scared of the deaths that I fear are coming. Sticking everyone on earth with a poison called a vaccine isn't the answer.


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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #147 on: September 03, 2021, 04:18:33 PM »
FP,

as your opinion, fine.  You want to pin the tail on the donkey? Fine as well, but the blindfold remains.  Maybe, someday it can be taken off, but till then we're all stuck with it.

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« Reply #148 on: September 03, 2021, 04:28:22 PM »
BC,
Your opinion fine. You do seem to have a knack for grasping the obvious while ignoring the even more obvious

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #149 on: September 03, 2021, 04:56:29 PM »
FP,

My opinions are usually founded with facts and data, and not mere speculation.  I also don't pretend to know everything.  If something is not known, it is not known - remains an inarguable fact.


 

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