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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #200 on: September 19, 2021, 11:02:04 AM »
I don't know any more about vaccines than anyone else here.

But I don't think it is logical to criticize any of the medical professionals who are involved with the project or those who are trying to get out info to the public.

The virus was new, and just when we might have gotten a handle on it, mutations started showing up.

So obviously the situation has been changing as we move along, and the speed of the change has been increasing also.

In any scientific investigation, the findings and the predictions are going to change as the empirical evidence changes.

I don't find any fault with the professionals involved in our Covid investigation and treatment situations.

Politicians can be held to some fault when they get ahead of the science in telling us what will happen.

But, if I were a politician, I doubt I could do any better than past, current and future politicians with regard to trying to keep the public informed about a quickly evolving situation.

And it is just plain nonsense to refer to ideas that are just plain nonsense.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #201 on: September 19, 2021, 11:08:31 AM »
This is a breakdown of statistics from my province on recent COVID hospitalizations. We are going through a surge, with more hospitalizations than at any time since the start of the COVID crisis. Note that this is a crisis of the unvaccinated.

http://tinyurl.com/ym332jtb


Worldometers show Canada having 10 times more infections and 4 times more deaths this year compared to same time last year when nobody was vaccinated. History shows 60 years of trying to make Coronavirus vaccines is not possible because it makes things worse. Many animals suffered during the trials. Animal trials are skipped for this experiment.




http://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/




Your fact check site doesn't have access to the data the lab owner has. He collect blood samples from clinics and hospitals all over and sees the increase of infections on those who are vaccinated. We've known this for years. History shows 60 years of trying to make Coronavirus vaccines is not possible because it make things worse. Many animals suffered during the trials. Animal trials are skipped for this experiment. It takes 7-10 years to conclude studies on a drug or vaccine yet we still see late night commercials everyday saying we are entitled to compensation if we took a certain drug that the FDA approved. They removed our ability to sue over COVID vaccines. Make big pharma liable again and lets see if they continue to push their product. They are making so much money right now and a lot is going to be kicked back to politicians. The party may not last forever so they're milking it for now. Biden and big pharma was pushing boosters but the FDA denying it has slowed down their cash cow.

Many leading experts in vaccines have sounded the alarm. Listen to them over tv commercials and fact checking sites. Project Veritas will release video and expects to get banned on many big tech platforms in an attempt to shut them up. Fact checkers may be working overtime on this one to spin it. Project Veritas has video inside federal government, big pharma, and the FDA. If you care about your and your family's health, watch and listen to what they have to say when they think the cameras aren't on them. What they say will be truth and it's probably not going to match the tv commercial that says the vaccines are safe and effective.

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I watch college football yesterday. Some stadiums had over 100,000 people in there. No masks or social distancing. It's time we stop being afraid. Our natural immunity can handle the virus and variants and we'll reduce the virus that causes COVID into a harmless coronavirus that causes the common cold but we can't do that if you guys continue to be human petri dishes creating variants prolonging the pandemic and destroying your natural immune system making you more likely to die not only from COVID, but everything else.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #202 on: September 19, 2021, 11:39:44 AM »

Your fact check site doesn't have access to the data the lab owner has. He collect blood samples from clinics and hospitals all over and sees the increase of infections on those who are vaccinated. [/size][/font]

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We asked Cole to provide support for those claims, and he referred us to a 2018 paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Drug Discovery that reviewed trials and studies of various, earlier mRNA vaccines.

But that paper doesn’t support his statement.

Norbert Pardi, a research assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, was the lead author of the paper. He told us in an email, “No publications demonstrate that mRNA vaccines cause cancer or autoimmune diseases.”

If your guy has data, he should write up a paper and submit it for peer review.  Why didn't he show his data, or further substantiate his hypothesis?  Read the rest of the article as well instead of going into a state of denial, discredit, and diversion which the rest of your post obviously consists of.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #203 on: September 19, 2021, 12:14:03 PM »
If your guy has data, he should write up a paper and submit it for peer review.  Why didn't he show his data, or further substantiate his hypothesis?  Read the rest of the article as well instead of going into a state of denial, discredit, and diversion which the rest of your post obviously consists of.


I read you fact check article. They said the guy is a Conservative Republican who was once shown in a photo holding a gun and bible. The Fact check site clearly wants to get their reader base to hate the man.


The man, like many doctors say treatments work and your fact check article tries to debunk it.


What your fact check site didn't show is the man's data he accumulated from his lab. It's easier to call him a liar.




Fact check sites are run by journalists and college dropouts to prove mainstream media and certain politicians are telling the truth and others aren't telling the truth. Reminds me of the propaganda from Hitler and Stalin. If you and I were living back then, you would show me photos and history books instead of fact check sites. Of course those photos would have certain people deleted out of them and history books would've been rewritten. That is how it worked then and that is how it works now. If they owned the truth, they wouldn't need to censor people. Those who are censoring are the bad guys disguising themselves as the good guys saying they care about your health.


 The more they shove these experimental vaccines into people's bodies, the more people are getting hurt. Pfizer CEO a couple of weeks ago say they're currently developing a twice a day pill to compliment the vaccines. How many people here are going to take multiple experimental vaccines and 730 experimental drugs in the form of a pill every year to protect them from COVID? How about letting our natural immune systems deal with it and use treatments that have been around for years and passed all safety tests?




I can see the release of this virus benefitting a lot of people. It mainly kills the old and those with pre-existing conditions. Those people tend to be less productive in business and society or even take from business and society in the form of health care and Social security or pension. Government and business will benefit if those people are eliminated from earth.


After reviewing vaccine history and listening to leading experts in the field who aren't making money off us and even losing money if they own stock in big pharma, like the virus, the vaccines are another benefit to government and big business. The vaccines will compromise our immune systems shortening our life spans. Translation: Less medical benefits and Social Security and pension they have to pay out. There's a lot of corrupt and greedy people in government and big business right now. Some of us are working to expose them. After we do, I hope you'd stop letting them(including fact check sites) manipulate your mind and make health decisions for you.





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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #204 on: September 19, 2021, 12:17:19 PM »
Covid investigation and treatment situations.

Did China make this thing on purpose? Or did some bat bite somebody?
I would like to know.

I will criticize Fauci he lied every time his lips moved.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #205 on: September 19, 2021, 12:27:10 PM »

Worldometers show Canada having 10 times more infections and 4 times more deaths this year compared to same time last year when nobody was vaccinated.


Three quarters of hospital patients are unvaccinated.  Those that are vaccinated usually are immunocompromised and elderly.  Vaccinated people are just not getting sick the way they did before the vaccine. 


Canada does not have "10 times more infections".  In May, 2020, there were over 100 deaths a day, peaking at an average of 177 deaths a week in early May.  Average in September 2021 is under 20. 
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #206 on: September 19, 2021, 12:33:26 PM »

Worldometers show Canada having 10 times more infections and 4 times more deaths this year compared to same time last year when nobody was vaccinated.

The current number of deaths per day in Canada closely correlate with deaths in Italy.  Both exhibit a low number of deaths, around 20 and 50 respectively as 7 day averages, with Italy's deaths now decreasing daily.  Italy's population is roughly twice that of Canada.  Both have very high vaccination rates, and mask mandates for indoor public areas and schools IIRC.  Under current circumstances, Canada is doing very good with mitigation and vaccinations.

Yesterday, I attended an small event here in the US, indoor venue where minimum distances could not be easily maintained.  Only two participants were masked, and I was one of them.  The county I am staying in does not have a mask mandate, infections are high, and vaccinations for this state are less than 50%.  The problem for many countries is the behavior of their citizens and residents.  You seem to pick here and there for something, anything, that might, even remotely, align with your agenda.  Yet ignore the obvious at your front door.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #207 on: September 19, 2021, 12:38:08 PM »
Both exhibit a low number of deaths, around 20 and 50 respectively as 7 day averages, with Italy's deaths now decreasing daily.

Yes, BC.  Here are COVID reports on Friday.  Note the deaths.  Note also that the provinces with the highest numbers of deaths are also the most vaccine hesitant (in BC. vaccine hesitancy is mostly in Northern British Columbia, where most of the deaths are).   The high Alberta numbers are having a negative impact on the government's popularity.  So, a vaccine passport system has been introduced.  That's lead to a surge of vaccine bookings.

http://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#newCases
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #208 on: September 19, 2021, 12:47:08 PM »

I read you fact check article. They said the guy is a Conservative Republican who was once shown in a photo holding a gun and bible. The Fact check site clearly wants to get their reader base to hate the man.


The reference to the video was about Idaho’s lieutenant governor, Janice McGeachin, and not the doc you are referencing. Seems you did not comprehend and only wish to split hairs defending the indefensible.  Idaho is now in crisis, reportedly having to triage and ration care.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #209 on: September 19, 2021, 01:33:46 PM »
  The high Alberta numbers are having a negative impact on the government's popularity.  So, a vaccine passport system has been introduced.  That's lead to a surge of vaccine bookings.

The 'Green Pass' also prompted a surge of vaccinations in Italy.  Now looking to achieve 80% country wide.  If it doesn't happen vaccinations will be mandated for all.  Dark green areas are already at 80+% over 12 fully vaccinated.



There is a notable difference between infections with full vaccination rates in the 60's and 80's.

Apulia 80's population 4 million



Sicily 60's population 5 million

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #210 on: September 19, 2021, 11:18:32 PM »



Justin Trudeau says if you do the right things according to government, you get to keep your freedoms. If you're doing the wrong things according to government, you lose freedoms. This is happening in many countries. None of them care about superior natural immunity. It's all about control and putting the poison in 100% of the people except loyal voter bases, elites, and government officials and their staff will be exempt. They will probably get a special exempt card to enjoy freedoms while everybody else must have a vaccination card. Don't think it's going to stop here. It's only going to get worse. They promised herd immunity and life returning to normal if 70% of the people get jabs. They lied. Some people still today wonder how Hitler won Time magazine of the year. He cared about the people and wanted to get deny freedoms to anybody(Jews) hurting other citizens and the country. He was a great guy until he wasn't.


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Lots of people have natural immunity. You guys can continue to believe vaccines are the answer. Unlike true vaccines it does not immunize, prevent infection, prevent transmission and prevents your natural immune system from doing its job. If you truly believe more is better, keep getting the jabs. Don't have to stop at one, two or three jabs. This winter is going to be a nightmare with so many people's immune system being compromised. Higher risk to be infected by COVID and everything else.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #211 on: September 20, 2021, 12:54:18 AM »
BillyB,

again you offer no viable alternatives other than letting unvaccinated folks die.  That is not going to happen.  It is, however, happening in many US states where vaccination rates are low, pushing hospitals to their limits.  In such places even normal cases of heart attacks, accidents etc have a very difficult time getting the care they need, causing more deaths.   

Vaccines are saving many lives every day. The data fully supports efficacy of the vaccines.

Natural immunity is fine, but many with such natural immunity are getting reinfected with Delta as well.

Influenza and other viruses will certainly be in play as they are being repressed in many places by the same mitigation efforts used with covid, i.e. masking etc.  This is known and not something surprising, and why information is being given to get vaccinated for influenza as well.  Influenza and covid vaccines can now be given at the same time making it more convenient.

The combination of large numbers of unvaccinated folks, and a heavy influenza season will, of course, exacerbate and increase deaths, but is not due to covid vaccines.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #212 on: September 20, 2021, 03:16:49 AM »
If everyone bought a hazmat suit and lived in that all the time we would all be fine :D

Latest study that finds bats in Cambodia had similar virus back in 2010 to the Coronavirus:

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-doctor-warns-coronavirus-in-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-is-horrifying-as-body-set-up-to-regulate-virus-testing-12406800

I'm not saying lab in Wuhan had nothing to do with it, perhaps they were messing about with the virus they harvested from bats who knows. I think the jury is out at the moment until more conclusive evidence comes forward.
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« Reply #213 on: September 20, 2021, 05:57:06 AM »

They do have the data from studies, but two of the members differed on the approach, along with risk/benefit analysis.


It is known that immune systems of older folks is slower or weaker.  Take flu vaccinations as an example, where older folks are basically given four times the amount of antigen in a normal dose to better prod their immune systems into a higher gear.

Since mRNA vaccines disappear quickly, two doses some time apart are given to build up antibodies.  Although antibodies wane, T-cells should 'remember' for a longer period, and likely 'learn' better in younger folks, while the older generation needs to take an extra class to make up.

IMO this more conservative route is prudent.  Better to use available vaccines for those that haven't got it yet.

Just watched a report from Idaho, where ICUs are full.  It was stated that 98% were unvaccinated.  I suspect the 2% that were vaccinated may have been among the older crowd, or those with compromised immune systems.

Interesting NOVA episode on bats http://www.pbs.org/video/bat-superpowers-nfuph6/

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Pfizer is already an approved vaccine. I just find it disturbing there should be a pool of opinion to decide its application. We’ve been told of its efficacy so many times before. There shouldn’t be any ‘guessing’ after administering these to so many people. As it is, I just now found out the voting result last week is still not an official decision. That still is under further consideration. Why?

In addition there’s been so many talks of unvaccinated folks being hospitalized and dying here in the US, yet I monitor poor countries like Africa that had less than 5% of their population vaccinated that doesn’t to be going through these reported ‘surges’.

What happened to all the talk of ‘herd immunity’? The talk then was the magical ‘70%’. Why does it now need to be 100%? What happened to the ‘asymptomatic’ folks? What happened to studies that previously infected folks stand a much stronger state than fully vaccinated folks? Why is this not even being included in these discussions and decisions?

When all is said and done, bottom line seem to be the same since the beginning. Of those getting hospitalized and dying are the same subset of people since this got started - 97% +/- are with comorbidity/ies. With the highest rate is with obese/overweight folks. It matters not whether one is vaccinated or not, which I believe is what the FDA struggled with.

It is in this state of health that greatly weakens a person’s innate and adaptive levels of their immunity defenses.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #214 on: September 20, 2021, 07:49:39 AM »
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Pfizer is already an approved vaccine. I just find it disturbing there should be a pool of opinion to decide its application. We’ve been told of its efficacy so many times before. There shouldn’t be any ‘guessing’ after administering these to so many people. As it is, I just now found out the voting result last week is still not an official decision. That still is under further consideration. Why?

I suspect it is never one person who makes the call, and rather a group of folks, in any med approval.  Meds/vaccines in my understanding are also approved with a scope of use.  The pfizer vaccine two shots, so and so days apart, to specific age groups.  Widening usage would require additional approval as in this case a third dose.  I don't find this unusual.

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In addition there’s been so many talks of unvaccinated folks being hospitalized and dying here in the US, yet I monitor poor countries like Africa that had less than 5% of their population vaccinated that doesn’t to be going through these reported ‘surges’.

Lots of territory there, lack of tests maybe along with lack of a reporting system, also age demographics probably play a big role. Climate maybe along with population density? Too many variables to point the finger at anything specific. 

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What happened to all the talk of ‘herd immunity’? The talk then was the magical ‘70%’. Why does it now need to be 100%? What happened to the ‘asymptomatic’ folks? What happened to studies that previously infected folks stand a much stronger state than fully vaccinated folks? Why is this not even being included in these discussions and decisions?

From what I've read, big difference is delta that is much more contagious than previous variants. In any case, many places in the US haven't even reached 50%, much less 70%.  As posted before, Italy is striving now for 80% or more.

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When all is said and done, bottom line seem to be the same since the beginning. Of those getting hospitalized and dying are the same subset of people since this got started - 97% +/- are with comorbidity/ies. With the highest rate is with obese/overweight folks. It matters not whether one is vaccinated or not, which I believe is what the FDA struggled with.

It is in this state of health that greatly weakens a person’s innate and adaptive levels of their immunity defenses.

Plenty of young healthy people as well, with some genetic markers identified as posing higher risk.  One of the hurdles is that so many qualify with a comorbidity.  IIRC 60% of the US having one, and 40% having two or more qualifying chronic illnesses.  Age is of course a factor, as seen in Italy with high numbers of deaths early on, which has subsided considerably, maybe even to influenza levels as far as hospitalization and deaths.  Vaccinations, green passes for stores, restaurants and public transport, plus indoor masking even for those vaccinated seems to be working very well, with life otherwise quite normal.

Boils down to teamwork, IMO.

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #215 on: September 20, 2021, 08:59:01 AM »
My problem with this whole thing is not whether a person should get vaccinated or not. People should have that freedom after all. If the vaccines is 'so safe' and prevents one from severe illness, then why would it matter if others are not vaccinated? How is taking a chance in one's self survival be any different in choosing to smoke, consume alcohol, weed and opiates?


The problem I have is mandating laws on what is an otherwise nuanced matter, where even the very 'scientists' mulling behind this whole thing can't seem to agree in unison. The whole science behind this madness is all over the place. On a virus with a mortality rate of .21%, and a survivability rate of +/-98.5%. To date, only a scant reported case of 13% of our population that had been infected by this virus after nearly 2 years!!!


Chew on these numbers a bit, it just seem rather crazy to me what the frenzy is all about.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #216 on: September 20, 2021, 09:49:54 AM »
Vaccines are saving many lives every day. The data fully supports efficacy of the vaccines.



Didn't you watch the 8 hour FDA meeting? I even put it on the spot that talks about this. They showed data the vaccines were killing people 2 to 1 over COVID. Then factor in death that has not occurred yet due to people having compromised immune systems ending their life by 5 or 10 years early. Only when a person gets old does their natural immune system weaken to the point COVID will kill more than the vaccine. There is no efficacy to the vaccines. Look at the definition of vaccine. It's supposed to immunize. COVID vaccines don't do it. All they do is reduce the intensity of the disease which is what treatments do. Vaccinated people still get the virus and transmit the disease. Trudeau was lying when he said people will feel more safe when everybody in a restaurant is vaccinated. If you're vaccinated(protected) and I'm not, why should you be worried that I'm sitting next to you eating? I'll tell you why. It's because you're not protected. They lied to you. This is about control. Once they take my freedoms away, they're coming after you. They aren't your friends. Politicians who deny people the right to eat and work are sinister people. Sure Trudeau and Biden don't look like Devils but the Devil will never approach you looking like he's on fire, with sharp teeth and horns coming out of his head.



Pfizer is already an approved vaccine.


That's a trick to allow private businesses to force the vaccines on customers and employees. FDA fact sheet says the approved version is the same as the unapproved version. Call up a clinic and ask if they have the approved version available. They don't but will offer you the unapproved version. Calling it approved opens the door to liability so they don't make the product available to us.



What happened to all the talk of ‘herd immunity’? The talk then was the magical ‘70%’. Why does it now need to be 100%? What happened to the ‘asymptomatic’ folks? What happened to studies that previously infected folks stand a much stronger state than fully vaccinated folks? Why is this not even being included in these discussions and decisions?



That's another trick. They say 70% to get us motivated to take the vaccine and when we think we're going to get a win, they move the goalposts. They been lying to us since the beginning when they said the virus wasn't made in a lab. After reading numerous experts in vaccines, it's apparent herd immunity is never achieved with respiratory viruses. You and I aren't expected to know that but the experts pushing vaccines do. Fauci a few days ago said herd immunity is still possible so take the vaccine. Another lie. They are creating more human petri dishes that in turn create anti vaccine variants. This pandemic will never end using that strategy but it will lead to a lot of death and injury by way of vaccine and COVID since the vaccinated are prolonging the pandemic.

For those who think politicians, government doctors and big pharma aren't lying on purpose, they've definitely been wrong a lot which means they don't know what they are doing. If they know what they are doing, it's even worse because what they're doing is a crime against humanity and they know it.


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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #217 on: September 20, 2021, 09:56:14 AM »
80-90% of the population must be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity.  As at today's date, only Portugal has achieved the 80% rate of immunization.  Singapore is just under 80% (79.8%).

The problem is the way people with COVID fill hospitals.  Scheduled surgeries cancelled.  Every ward turned into a COVID ward.  Exhausted hospital staff.  That's the issue.  Not the deaths.  Not how sick people get. 



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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #218 on: September 20, 2021, 10:22:19 AM »
80-90% of the population must be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity.  As at today's date, only Portugal has achieved the 80% rate of immunization.  Singapore is just under 80% (79.8%).



Singapore and Portugal is nowhere near achieving head immunity. this summer's infection and death rate is higher now than same time last year for both of them. This summer a good number of unvaccinated people have natural immunity and won't be getting infected by anti vaccine variants and won't be filling up hospitals. There is no anti natural immune system variant because our natural immune system crushes the virus so it never learns to beat natural immunity.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/


As long as they can fire last years heroes who worked unvaccinated if they aren't vaccinated this year, they must feel there isn't a need for them and if there isn't a need for them, there is no pandemic and no emergency. The media propaganda will follow orders of their politician bosses to make us believe there is danger creating fear so we'll beg them to come save us with a miracle cure that doesn't cure anything. Propaganda has successfully got people to believe putting poison in their bodies is a good thing saving lives.


The fact they aren't testing for superior natural immunity and giving those people a pass from having to inject a poisonous vaccine into their bodies is alarming. They are going to spend massive amounts of our money to pump continuous experimental vaccines into our bodies even if we have superior natural immunity. The only people getting a pass are politicians, their staff, big pharma, certain government organizations like the CDC and FDA who politicians need to push the agenda, and certain favored voter bases like USPS. The decisions they're making have nothing to do with safety and everything to do with a political power grab. Any leading vaccine expert who speaks against vaccines get censored, banned and their history erased so people today reading up on them think they aren't qualified to speak and are liars when they talk about their credentials. The government is destroying free speech on the internet. This is a modern day Nazi style book burning event.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #219 on: September 20, 2021, 10:25:19 AM »


Chew on these numbers a bit, it just seem rather crazy to me what the frenzy is all about.

To draw down the numbers I gave above, let me paint it this way.

For every 1,000 Americans, 130 were infected. Of 130, 128 survived. Of the <2 who died, they were in the high risk category.

I don’t really categorize ‘age’ as high risk, it’s just that most elderly folks just happen to be at a stage where these comorbities are prevalent. You can be an old fart like myself and survive, for instance. Or be a young stud who happens to smoke or vape. This has very little to do with whether or not you’re vaccinated.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #220 on: September 20, 2021, 10:26:45 AM »
Of course they haven't yet achieved herd immunity.  Those numbers are as of today.  It will take months for the effects to be seen.


People have superior natural immunities to MMR as well.  We don't test for that, either.
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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #221 on: September 20, 2021, 10:47:00 AM »
The problem is the way people with COVID fill hospitals.  Scheduled surgeries cancelled.  Every ward turned into a COVID ward.  Exhausted hospital staff.  That's the issue.  Not the deaths.  Not how sick people get.

Indeed.  Italy would have been placed again in full lockdown months ago.  The Delta variant has been reported, IIRC, to be 4-6 times more transmissible and more virulent, causing worse outcomes.

GQ,
expected lower transmissivity (which has not yet been conclusively measured) aside, as Boethius indicates, vaccines prevent lockdowns and other more drastic measures from becoming necessary.  The dots on this are all connected.

Countries where citizens and residents are working together to fight the virus and support vaccination and masking guidelines are doing much better than countries where citizens and residents don't work well together.

The positive results are in, but some still question how we got there, instead focusing on whatever negative aspects can be picked at, mostly without any substantiation.

I just wish the US was doing as well as a number of other countries, saving around a thousand lives every day.


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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #222 on: September 20, 2021, 10:55:24 AM »
I don’t really categorize ‘age’ as high risk, it’s just that most elderly folks just happen to be at a stage where these comorbities are prevalent. You can be an old fart like myself and survive, for instance. Or be a young stud who happens to smoke or vape. This has very little to do with whether or not you’re vaccinated.

I wish it were so simple.  One possible complication I posted before:

http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01773-7

It is also well known and documented that as we age, our immune systems are less capable of handling disease.

There is still a lot we don't know for sure about why some die and some, like yourself survive.  Just curious, you had a serious infection.  Did you have a chest x-ray or scan done afterwards to see if there were any anomalies?

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #223 on: September 20, 2021, 11:06:30 AM »

Singapore and Portugal is nowhere near achieving head immunity. this summer's infection and death rate is higher now than same time last year for both of them. This summer a good number of unvaccinated people have natural immunity and won't be getting infected by anti vaccine variants and won't be filling up hospitals. There is no anti natural immune system variant because our natural immune system crushes the virus so it never learns to beat natural immunity.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/


Portugal, average deaths 10, equivalent to 320 US deaths/day and Singapore 1, equivalent to 66 US deaths per day.  How does that compare to the more unruly and unvaccinated US with 1,500 deaths per day?  Isn't much of the unvaccinated US depending on such natural immunity?  Why isn't your natural way more successful than most well vaccinated and masked countries?

Doesn't add up does it....

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Re: Vaccines for Travelling Abroad
« Reply #224 on: September 20, 2021, 01:01:46 PM »
GQ,
expected lower transmissivity (which has not yet been conclusively measured) aside, as Boethius indicates, vaccines prevent lockdowns and other more drastic measures from becoming necessary.  The dots on this are all connected.


We can agree to disagree on this, BC. IMO this is largely why there's still a steady stream of infection. I think it sends the wrong message because at best, *low transmissivity* of those vaccinated is highly speculative if not totally faux science. I mean how would anyone know who is transmitting the virus? Politics and the media would like the public to believe *this is all happening just on the unvaccinated*. Even just on the face of this, that just borders on BS. Personally, beyond my brother (who was fully vaccinated) gifting me with COVID (he showed symptoms - blamed it on allergy), there had been multiple local news here about vaccinated super spreader cases. Yet, coverage of it is literally non-existent.

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Countries where citizens and residents are working together to fight the virus and support vaccination and masking guidelines are doing much better than countries where citizens and residents don't work well together.


I would be cautious making such absolute statement. We really do not know this. Even Italy locked down fairly tight last year only to experience the same surges. As for masking, while it may offer 'some' protection, I'm not sure it is as helpful as media would like for all of us/you to believe. After all, even CDC/Fauci once deemed the types of masks most wear today gives little to no protection.

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The positive results are in, but some still question how we got there, instead focusing on whatever negative aspects can be picked at, mostly without any substantiation.


I no longer pay attention to either sides of argument about this anymore. Not in a while now. I just simply look at the prevailing numbers being reported.

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I just wish the US was doing as well as a number of other countries, saving around a thousand lives every day.


IMO, the US is doing just fine. A shade over 2 people dying out of every 1,000 is better, if not more or less the same as any other nation/s at present time.

There is still a lot we don't know for sure about why some die and some, like yourself survive.  Just curious, you had a serious infection.  Did you have a chest x-ray or scan done afterwards to see if there were any anomalies?


I wouldn't call my case as anywhere close to being 'serious'. I actually went to my office & worked everyday. It became a butt of joke here as a matter of fact, since we had people staying home because of their reaction to the vaccine. My case lasted less than a week. It wasn't pleasant, but relatively 'easy' than most.
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