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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2022, 08:00:27 AM »
What did she judge this 'potential for a relationship' on? It surely couldn't have been that astounding a meeting that after one meet she decided upon this???
Trench, this was just a small step forward. We had been communicating for 2 months prior to meeting. It wasnít as if we were getting hitched the next day.


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Did her parents speak English or you speak Russian?

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It sounds an awfully tense and uncomfortable situation having them judging and scrutinizing you like your a subject of interest under a microscope not sure I would fancy being subjected to it. I know sone women do similar in the UK with their friends opinion I don't like the concept at all rather poor form I feel. Kind of always think the person should just go on what they think it's the only decent thing to do really I think.
You are reading too much into this. It was just an informal meeting, we went for a walk in Park Shevchenko and had coffee.
No interrogation was conducted.
No intrusive questions or third degree questioning.


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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2022, 12:45:27 PM »
Trench, this was just a small step forward. We had been communicating for 2 months prior to meeting. It wasnít as if we were getting hitched the next day.


One doesnít need to know a language to understand body language, tone and inflection.
You are reading too much into this. It was just an informal meeting, we went for a walk in Park Shevchenko and had coffee.
No interrogation was conducted.
No intrusive questions or third degree questioning.

My guess is that your luck was in that they just wanted to see what you looked like in person and weren't expecting an in deep dialogue in Russian :)

Think it's just how it goes down and will likely differ with each girl. It's handy of course to see the girls family fairly early on so long as it's not an interrogation/verdict of the guy. Possibly older girls may do it more as I get the impression from Fdate that the girls in their thirties tend to be more serious on the whole than girls in their twenties. A girl in her twenties can say she is serious but still feel she had time to look around.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2022, 12:56:20 PM »
That scenario of scrutiny is going to happen in any culture.
More so cross culturally ( we fear the unknown,and want to protect our kids and friends)

But over all a local womans parents and friends are still going to scrutinize the man .

The time frame maybe more drawn out is all.


I guarantee you the reason I met my wife's friend,(at my wifes request)  before meeting my wife was two fold, one she was a translator so my wife wanted me to meet her before our date to decide if I wanted her to accompany us(my wife was worried her own english wasnt adequate),another was for certain a surveillance mission  hahaha to get her friends feedback on if  her friend thought I was the type of person she thought I was. It's why the lunch.

On my end I knew this ,and  i knew I'd get grilled by her friend, but dint mind.
I knew she was nervous of her  spoken english skills ,even though we had talked countless times on the phone and on vid, and it showed me she wasn't an overly jealous or concerned type ,and also fairly confident, as her friend she certainly knew was drop dead gorgeous, perfect English, and sought after.

That's funny Jumper, it sounds like your wife punted her very pretty friend forward to see if you would go for her lol. So in a way a trap was set for you, my guess is that if you had cracked into her, even eyed her up then you wouldn't have gotten either ;)

She no doubt saw her friend as reliable but if she did turn out otherwise then she at least knows she can't be trusted and better of without her and the potential suitor.
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Re: If you like skirts and dresses buy her a ton of hose/stockings
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2022, 01:27:56 PM »
Yew Betcha!

It wasn't Norf Dekody advice, it was advice for those in Blighty.

I'm in Texas now and we are still learning how to survive the bitterly cold
winters here. This week it's been getting colder than 70F.  So we mostly
stay inside a lot  ;D If it gets any colder, I'll start making hot cocoa.

Funny thing is that it doesn't get that cold here in Blighty as it used to. We used to get 4-5 months of pretty cold weather, in recent years it has only been about 3 months, typically Dec-Feb. Even in Nov this year I was outside doing the flat roof to my roof extension, that would be real wet, cold and difficult in previous years. Even within the 3 cold weather months there's only the odd few days where the weather get pretty cold. The rest of the time it's around roughly 8-12 degrees Celsius during the day. At night it can go down to around 2-6 degrees Celsius or so commonly. Mind you I live down south so often a fair bit better weather than up north.

Anyhow it means that it's probably about ideal weather for tights rather than women wearing all this heshe gear of jeans, trousers, etc. They still do of course which is a pain, my guess is that Russian tights would more than do the job.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2022, 06:41:16 PM »
That's funny Jumper, it sounds like your wife punted her very pretty friend forward to see if you would go for her lol. So in a way a trap was set for you, my guess is that if you had cracked into her, even eyed her up then you wouldn't have gotten either ;)

She no doubt saw her friend as reliable but if she did turn out otherwise then she at least knows she can't be trusted and better of without her and the potential suitor.

It could be viewed as a test *
There could be an element of that within it.

 I did not care either way. I hadn't met her yet.

After knowing her more than a decade, and long term marraige...

I can pretty much say with a good degree  of confidence lol, that the main purpose was to get my approval to use her friend as translator for our first meeting.
I had shown some small reservation about it ,as I felt her English quite adequate as we had been joking around on the phone and vid chat for a couple of months daily. The other aspect was certainly she wanted her friends opinion,and part of why she wanted her along on the date.
She knew her friend being very fluent,would catch nuances of speech and meaning that she might not,things that can more accurately gauge personality,character etc.
 Her friend was only along on that first dinner, but we did go meet the group of friends she normally interacted with later that night.
Both a fun thing to do, and likely a bit if getting their impressions as well.
Funny incident,the next day we met another close friend while  at a small cafe. It wasnt random.of course,we were eating,her friend was in the area so she  called her to stop by to.meet.
It was a mere  4 or 5 minute exchange at the cafe,and she was off ..
But I caught her giving my wife a thumbs up sign from outside the cafe window ( I had excused myself from the table)
Mid sign*  she saw i had walked back in view and had caught her, we all laughed.

Again i dint make much out of it,mostly friends joking around.

But honestly within  the first 3 days I had met all the people she considered important in her life.

Most merely joked around or light conversation, some more striaght to the pointvled questions of my intents with thier friend ,clearly stating she was special to them and voicing their concerns.

I actually felt this a quite good thing that she had good solid  friends hat valued her and looking out for her(even though those questions dint bother me, they likely embarrassed her somewhat)






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Re: If you like skirts and dresses buy her a ton of hose/stockings
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2022, 06:47:49 PM »
Funny thing is that it doesn't get that cold here in Blighty as it used to. We used to get 4-5 months of pretty cold weather, in recent years it has only been about 3 months, typically Dec-Feb. Even in Nov this year I was outside doing the flat roof to my roof extension, that would be real wet, cold and difficult in previous years. Even within the 3 cold weather months there's only the odd few days where the weather get pretty cold. The rest of the time it's around roughly 8-12 degrees Celsius during the day. At night it can go down to around 2-6 degrees Celsius or so commonly. Mind you I live down south so often a fair bit better weather than up north.

Anyhow it means that it's probably about ideal weather for tights rather than women wearing all this heshe gear of jeans, trousers, etc. They still do of course which is a pain, my guess is that Russian tights would more than do the job.

-12C was the high today.
I'm quite happy my wife wears pants 🤣 otherwise I'd question her sanity.

Again,I'd not worry much about this kind of thing, its superficial.and not important in your daily married life
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To.top it off while you can find any kind of woman in the FSU,  the odds of you finding one that wont dress *up enough* for uk ,
is so slim to be incalculable.

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Re: If you like skirts and dresses buy her a ton of hose/stockings
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2022, 09:36:31 AM »

To.top it off while you can find any kind of woman in the FSU,  the odds of you finding one that wont dress *up enough* for uk , is so slim to be incalculable.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2022, 08:02:37 PM »
This tells me you have never had a long term relationship with a woman, Trench.

Physical appearance is how people on dating sites sort people they are willing to meet.  That's about all.  Even then, women will often meet with a man they don't find attractive, because they want to marry someone and are willing to expand their pool of eligible men.  However, physical attraction doesn't keep people together.

I think you make generalizations that just don't hold up.  I also think this type of tunnel vision thinking does you a disservice, particularly when you generalize your views to others.

Trench is screaming at the top of his lungs, but you are hearing what you want to hear.  You aren't listening.

For some people, it really IS about looks.
But why?



When you realize WHY looks are so important to Trench, suddenly everything makes sense.  His extreme trust issues, etc.

Fearful avoidant attachment style.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2022, 09:27:08 PM »
Sure TC's insecurities, self esteem, over analytical issues are going to drive his superficial concerns.
He takes the flack dished out  here pretty well though.
The biggest thing  that almost everyone has mentioned to him the last decade is his insecurity.
It's like putting on *run away from me fast*  cologne.
It's a self fulfilling prophesy as well,as if you are  truly insecure ,she(if not a damaged codependent)  is  pretty sure to leave you.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2022, 07:46:29 AM »
Sure TC's insecurities, self esteem, over analytical issues are going to drive his superficial concerns.

AJ-

The subject person is nearly half a century old. ĎDriveí no longer applies at his age. ĎDriven decades agoí would be more apt. Both his age and social attitude will render any/all accomplishment, if he even gets that far, doomed to failure with a quickening.

Thatís not an attack on TC. Itís a statement of fact. He had made it more than obvious in his nearly a decade long excursion of dating speculations, that the only redeeming quality he is taking to the table is heís the vehicle for any FSUW of reaching the UK.

Itís getting to the point in his life that companionship is defined by simply getting a pet goldfish in a bowl.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2022, 08:34:40 AM »

Paranoia will destroya

That's a Billyb'ism!

  He had made it more than obvious in his nearly a decade long excursion of dating speculations, that the only redeeming quality he is taking to the table is heís the vehicle for any FSUW of reaching the UK.
 
How cruel!   He actually has quite a sense of humor.

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I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2022, 08:42:39 AM »
GQ-
Well, I'd like to entertain hope,as people can change.
At any rate the odds  certainly are  you're correct. 
I'd  just suggest a dog instead of gold fish, a good mutt might spark some change or even interaction with locals as TC walks him.

 My old guy has failing health, and beyond treatments, so we hit the local fast food place for
a side of bacon most mornings lately. It's not good for him,but at this point it's a quality of life thang and he  still actively looks forward to jumping in,and watching for the turn/road  to the drive thru. The staff knows its for him,so they often hook him up.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2022, 08:43:58 AM »
That's a Billyb'ism!

:)
I forgot he used it. I was quoting the song

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2022, 08:45:39 AM »
Guys, in these Covid times the idea is to not socialise much, an area I could start giving lessons in how to socially distance ;) So if social skills are no longer required then we can dispense with all of that and all instead have entirely functionary dating and relationships, tick the box here and commit, dating, marriage, kids, etc. It would make things far simpler and straight forward and just do the things most people want to do anyway without all the fuss.

I mean why have all these long convoluted dating things of this means that, misunderstandings, toxic relationships, relationship fallout, ending badly, etc. Seems to work ok for the arranged marriage crowd.

I definitely think VK proves that many guys get turned on by hot women given all the like clicks & comments for them. I definitely don't think I'm alone there it's a natural impluse for most guys to fixate on that, similar for many girls fixating in hot guys as well I think after all Brad Pitt is where he is for a reason.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2022, 12:50:51 AM »
I could probably garner about £1k in the UK from renting out my house. A girl in the FSW would probably look upon me like a god. It's not that it's a lot of money but all she would see is a foreign guy who has the wealth to stroll around without having to work, able to buy food, clothing and entertainment without having to work for it. Able to pursue my own project or desires and having the time and money behind me to do it. So it's there that I have my greatest pull. Bring her back to the UK however and everything gets a whole lot harder, different even. Here I'm just another regular Joe with a bog standard house.

Why do you think an FSW girl would consider you "a god", for having £1,000/month? You realize that the median, average income in Belarus is about £800-900, right? In Russia, it is 110,000 RUB - just a little over £1,000. Ukraine has a much lower median of £600/month but the upper average is higher.

In other words, you could have a comfortable (average) income in one of these countries. Comfortable. Average. Not celebrity or extraordinary. And on top of that, there are other things to consider:

1. You are renting out a property and living in another country. Spoiler alert: tenants are not all going to treat your property like it's their own. And they will rightfully expect regular and necessary maintenance on the property. Who is managing the property for you? What are you going to do when it needs repair or renovation?

2. Exchange costs. How much are you going to lose, transferring the money each month?

3. Language barriers. How fluent are you in Russian, Ukrainian, etc.? How are you going to deal with opening a bank account? Legal documents? Buying or renting property?

4. Cultural barriers. How invested in their traditions are you, now? How much are you willing to adopt and learn?

5. How are you going to buy a home?

6. Dealing with different governments, visas, etc.

7. Most importantly, what do you offer her, as a person?

Getting into a relationship with you means that she is taking on several burdens. If you live in her country, it's going to be your job to adapt and hers to help you. She will have to deal with lots of translation concerns and cultural differences. She will feel badly when you miss jokes in her native language or sit awkwardly, unable to respond when her friends make a cultural reference anyone else would understand. You will need to work hard to make sure she doesn't feel like a failure.

If she chose one of the local blokes, instead, there would be far less trouble to deal with. He could do a lot of the heavy lifting that you won't be able to. It will take you years of investment to reach that point. If you do that right, you'll hardly have time for your own "projects". Your desire will need to be integration and cultural adoption.

The work is hardly enough to make an average or above-average single income worthwhile (for two people!), unless you are a person worth sacrificing for. It most certainly will never make any girl perceive you as "a god".

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2022, 01:01:16 AM »
Why do you think an FSW girl would consider you "a god", for having £1,000/month? You realize that the median, average income in Belarus is about £800-900, right? In Russia, it is 110,000 RUB - just a little over £1,000. Ukraine has a much lower median of £600/month but the upper average is higher.

In other words, you could have a comfortable (average) income in one of these countries. Comfortable. Average. Not celebrity or extraordinary. And on top of that, there are other things to consider:

1. You are renting out a property and living in another country. Spoiler alert: tenants are not all going to treat your property like it's their own. And they will rightfully expect regular and necessary maintenance on the property. Who is managing the property for you? What are you going to do when it needs repair or renovation?

2. Exchange costs. How much are you going to lose, transferring the money each month?

3. Language barriers. How fluent are you in Russian, Ukrainian, etc.? How are you going to deal with opening a bank account? Legal documents? Buying or renting property?

4. Cultural barriers. How invested in their traditions are you, now? How much are you willing to adopt and learn?

5. How are you going to buy a home?

6. Dealing with different governments, visas, etc.

7. Most importantly, what do you offer her, as a person?

Getting into a relationship with you means that she is taking on several burdens. If you live in her country, it's going to be your job to adapt and hers to help you. She will have to deal with lots of translation concerns and cultural differences. She will feel badly when you miss jokes in her native language or sit awkwardly, unable to respond when her friends make a cultural reference anyone else would understand. You will need to work hard to make sure she doesn't feel like a failure.

If she chose one of the local blokes, instead, there would be far less trouble to deal with. He could do a lot of the heavy lifting that you won't be able to. It will take you years of investment to reach that point. If you do that right, you'll hardly have time for your own "projects". Your desire will need to be integration and cultural adoption.

The work is hardly enough to make an average or above-average single income worthwhile (for two people!), unless you are a person worth sacrificing for. It most certainly will never make any girl perceive you as "a god".

Excellent post.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2022, 01:18:11 AM »
Excellent post.

Thank you! It comes from experience and a hope that I can impart a little wisdom.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2022, 02:23:23 AM »
Thank you! It comes from experience and a hope that I can impart a little wisdom.
We have long since given up on any hope of imparting wisdom gleaned from our collective experiences to Trench.
Hence the rather jaded responses you see.

Itís good to get a fresh perspective..

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2022, 02:47:20 AM »
We have long since given up on any hope of imparting wisdom gleaned from our collective experiences to Trench.
Hence the rather jaded responses you see.

Itís good to get a fresh perspective..

Cheers. I've noticed the good advice and his apparent lack of absorbing it. I still want him to find a girl and I hope he can one day take a proper look at himself and recognise reality.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2022, 01:09:33 PM »
Why do you think an FSW girl would consider you "a god", for having £1,000/month? You realize that the median, average income in Belarus is about £800-900, right? In Russia, it is 110,000 RUB - just a little over £1,000. Ukraine has a much lower median of £600/month but the upper average is higher.

In other words, you could have a comfortable (average) income in one of these countries. Comfortable. Average. Not celebrity or extraordinary. And on top of that, there are other things to consider:

1. You are renting out a property and living in another country. Spoiler alert: tenants are not all going to treat your property like it's their own. And they will rightfully expect regular and necessary maintenance on the property. Who is managing the property for you? What are you going to do when it needs repair or renovation?

2. Exchange costs. How much are you going to lose, transferring the money each month?

3. Language barriers. How fluent are you in Russian, Ukrainian, etc.? How are you going to deal with opening a bank account? Legal documents? Buying or renting property?

4. Cultural barriers. How invested in their traditions are you, now? How much are you willing to adopt and learn?

5. How are you going to buy a home?

6. Dealing with different governments, visas, etc.

7. Most importantly, what do you offer her, as a person?

Getting into a relationship with you means that she is taking on several burdens. If you live in her country, it's going to be your job to adapt and hers to help you. She will have to deal with lots of translation concerns and cultural differences. She will feel badly when you miss jokes in her native language or sit awkwardly, unable to respond when her friends make a cultural reference anyone else would understand. You will need to work hard to make sure she doesn't feel like a failure.

If she chose one of the local blokes, instead, there would be far less trouble to deal with. He could do a lot of the heavy lifting that you won't be able to. It will take you years of investment to reach that point. If you do that right, you'll hardly have time for your own "projects". Your desire will need to be integration and cultural adoption.

The work is hardly enough to make an average or above-average single income worthwhile (for two people!), unless you are a person worth sacrificing for. It most certainly will never make any girl perceive you as "a god".

Partly answered in my newer thread but I'll go over it again. The medium average salary is not the mode average salary, most FSU people don't get that medium salary, they get less. Even if they do get around that medium salary they have to work for it, I won't, if they lose their job the salary goes. All of that will make me look good in the eyes of a FSW. She won't know the salary I'm bringing in just that I can afford a reasonable place to live our there (temporarily) and I don't have to work, that will all add up in her eyes to a guy who is quite desirable.

A lot of your points you've mentioned are like we are living a decade ago, most of these are easily solved these days.

1. I'll be renting out the rooms in my property, they pay if they don't they're out the door. I take a deposit to cover any damage and any maintenance that needs doing I get someone in for, heard of email?

2. I have a credit card which transfers currencies without fees, so no real problem there.

3. I'll use my UK bank accounts no need to open up Ukrainian ones. Rental is easy enough, if a terp is required I'll hire one. I have basic Russian understanding, it needs improving but it will surface, add to that Google translate is good these days  and many people speak English out there.

4. I'm quite an easy going sort of guy. I don't mind their culture and traditions that I know of them. I don't particularly see anything that would cause a barrier there of any significance.

5. I already own a home in the UK outright. I wouldn't buy one in Ukraine as it's too dodgy for a foreigner to do so, better to rent. Once married to a girl I could consider buying in Ukraine  under joint names as then half will be in her name so they won't touch it, all dependant on situation though.

6. I would use the 3 month visa free tourist visa to begin with, if it pans out then I'll move forward from there in the most appropriate way.

7. I would be offering her a lifestyle that most Ukrainian guys would not be able to offer her. Women often moan when the guy they are married to is always at work and hence no fun. If a woman wants kids then having access to a western country (the UK being the prime one in Europe due to the best exchange rate, education, jobs, etc) is going to be a great asset for those kids. Imagine her children being able to live and earn in the UK and then buy property in Ukraine, a lot more bang for their buck.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2022, 03:36:59 PM »
Partly answered in my newer thread but I'll go over it again. The medium average salary is not the mode average salary, most FSU people don't get that medium salary, they get less. Even if they do get around that medium salary they have to work for it, I won't, if they lose their job the salary goes. All of that will make me look good in the eyes of a FSW. She won't know the salary I'm bringing in just that I can afford a reasonable place to live our there (temporarily) and I don't have to work, that will all add up in her eyes to a guy who is quite desirable.

A lot of your points you've mentioned are like we are living a decade ago, most of these are easily solved these days.

1. I'll be renting out the rooms in my property, they pay if they don't they're out the door. I take a deposit to cover any damage and any maintenance that needs doing I get someone in for, heard of email?

2. I have a credit card which transfers currencies without fees, so no real problem there.

3. I'll use my UK bank accounts no need to open up Ukrainian ones. Rental is easy enough, if a terp is required I'll hire one. I have basic Russian understanding, it needs improving but it will surface, add to that Google translate is good these days  and many people speak English out there.

4. I'm quite an easy going sort of guy. I don't mind their culture and traditions that I know of them. I don't particularly see anything that would cause a barrier there of any significance.

5. I already own a home in the UK outright. I wouldn't buy one in Ukraine as it's too dodgy for a foreigner to do so, better to rent. Once married to a girl I could consider buying in Ukraine  under joint names as then half will be in her name so they won't touch it, all dependant on situation though.

6. I would use the 3 month visa free tourist visa to begin with, if it pans out then I'll move forward from there in the most appropriate way.

7. I would be offering her a lifestyle that most Ukrainian guys would not be able to offer her. Women often moan when the guy they are married to is always at work and hence no fun. If a woman wants kids then having access to a western country (the UK being the prime one in Europe due to the best exchange rate, education, jobs, etc) is going to be a great asset for those kids. Imagine her children being able to live and earn in the UK and then buy property in Ukraine, a lot more bang for their buck.

The salary I quoted is the average median for one person. 50% make more and 50% make less. Of course, it depends where in the country you are but what you're talking about isn't going to be extraordinary.  It's also only a single income and most couples have two (both work). If your situation goes beyond a couple of dates, she will know how much you make. It's still going to come down to what do you offer her, as a person.

1. In other words, you'll have to pay and trust someone. And you don't seem to understand. It's not about a person paying for a room or not (though I have seen even that fall apart). It's that things go wrong and people aren't always honest. Managing a rental property is a job. It takes time. People get paid to do it. Have you done it before?

2. Have you lived in another country? It's one thing to live on a credit card in the short term. In the long term, you need things like a bank account.

3. That won't help you engage in real conversations or understand important documents. It works when you're on holiday, not in long-term everyday life.

4. Good.

5. Again, not the point. If you get serious about a girl, she's going to want to own a place. Renting isn't a great long-term strategy. How much of that income are you going to save, each month?

6. Again, this will be more complicated once you need anything beyond a basic tourist visa.

7. There are advantages but you're ignoring the realities that I mentioned. There are also disadvantages. Settling down in another country is a big step, especially when you don't speak the language. Integrating is a lot of work. Have you done it before? Maybe the woman in question would find it appealing for her kids to be educated in the UK and maybe not. You can't assume that. Plus, it would be expensive.

The fact that you don't go to work isn't automatically appealing. A woman isn't excited about a man who sits at home all day. A woman wants to be proud of her husband and what he does. Some women complain that their husbands works too much but some complain that he is at home too much or doesn't do anything with his time.

All this boils down to something really simple. £1,000/month isn't going to make you a rockstar. There would be lots of expenses and you'd need to manage the income carefully.

More importantly, it's not going to change the amount of work that being in an international, multi-cultural, multi-language relationship is going to require.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2022, 04:55:53 PM »
The salary I quoted is the average median for one person. 50% make more and 50% make less. Of course, it depends where in the country you are but what you're talking about isn't going to be extraordinary.  It's also only a single income and most couples have two (both work). If your situation goes beyond a couple of dates, she will know how much you make. It's still going to come down to what do you offer her, as a person.

1. In other words, you'll have to pay and trust someone. And you don't seem to understand. It's not about a person paying for a room or not (though I have seen even that fall apart). It's that things go wrong and people aren't always honest. Managing a rental property is a job. It takes time. People get paid to do it. Have you done it before?

2. Have you lived in another country? It's one thing to live on a credit card in the short term. In the long term, you need things like a bank account.

3. That won't help you engage in real conversations or understand important documents. It works when you're on holiday, not in long-term everyday life.

4. Good.

5. Again, not the point. If you get serious about a girl, she's going to want to own a place. Renting isn't a great long-term strategy. How much of that income are you going to save, each month?

6. Again, this will be more complicated once you need anything beyond a basic tourist visa.

7. There are advantages but you're ignoring the realities that I mentioned. There are also disadvantages. Settling down in another country is a big step, especially when you don't speak the language. Integrating is a lot of work. Have you done it before? Maybe the woman in question would find it appealing for her kids to be educated in the UK and maybe not. You can't assume that. Plus, it would be expensive.

The fact that you don't go to work isn't automatically appealing. A woman isn't excited about a man who sits at home all day. A woman wants to be proud of her husband and what he does. Some women complain that their husbands works too much but some complain that he is at home too much or doesn't do anything with his time.

All this boils down to something really simple. £1,000/month isn't going to make you a rockstar. There would be lots of expenses and you'd need to manage the income carefully.

More importantly, it's not going to change the amount of work that being in an international, multi-cultural, multi-language relationship is going to require.

Generally with medium average salary workings the top higher salaries are fewer but go really high, say those earning tens or hundreds of thousands, or millions of pounds/dollars or Ukrainian equivalent. They tend to shift the average figure up a lot but not many people earn that average, most will earn below it. Two people can work but in Ukraine often the woman will just want the man to work especially if she has children. If the women does work commonly (but not always) she will earn way less than the man unless in finance or some other field where women can do well.

1. I haven't rented out a room before or been an agent, but I have worked in places where such has gone on. I read up on the internet about the ins & outs of it and have a fair idea of the type of characters you can get. The house is near a uni area so something like a few quiet studious students would be a good bet I'm thinking. I know stuff can go wrong but here it's a case of call someone in or give directions to tenant on what to do if a simple operation will provide a quick fix. I'm quite up on home maintenance/building services so it shouldn't be a problem.

2. I have never lived in another country. With the credit card it's a UK credit card and can be paid off monthly from a UK bank account so it shouldn't be a problem.

3. I shouldn't really have any important documents in the short term, rental agreement I can use Google translate to translate to get the gist of it. Should be fairly straightforward but can get a terp if needs be. Anything further I don't think will come in the short term. Once with a girl she can do a lot of that stuff.

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5. Owning a place in Ukraine I am open to. It is unlikely that I would save much income while there. Mostly it would come from mortgaging my place in the UK. UK property tends to have a high price so that is where us UK guys can leverage if we own property.

6. It will get more complicated, it will depend on marriage & girl doing some input with the paperwork. If not at that stage then meeting in a third country until at that stage or another 3 months comes around.

7. Are you kidding, I don't even integrate in this country so Ukraine would be no different ;D I'm used not to integrating, anywhere! :D Seriously, I know it's something to be worked at and it takes time. Initially it would just be temporary for 3 months and then depends on outcome. Overall I would kind of like a situation where it's a bit back and forth between the UK and Ukraine, making the best of both worlds hopefully. Men can sometimes be away for days doing business abroad so once the right balance us achieved it can work n theory at least. State education is free in the UK and generally good quality. I would not be so bothered about that though. There is a lot of feminism in the west that I do not like nor would want any kids to grow up influenced by. I think the main thing would be them being able to work in the UK, they would of course have dual nationality through me so that would be possible.

Me not working is something to deal with indeed. I know Kherson girl (we broke up a while ago) was not keen on it when I brought it up in terms of me suggesting that I work in Ukraine. She asked what would I do, the work ideas she did not like, the idea of me doing nothing even less so as if she had a vision of me shagging other women all day long lol. I think I would kind of have an offbeat sort of thing going, it wouldn't likely bring in much money but it would act as a decent cover for what I do work wise without taking up too much time I think.

I know £1k a month isn't going to make me a rockstar, it just needs to provide a look and lifestyle that is appealing to these women.

I know a multi-cultural, multi-language relationship is nit always easy, to be honest the girl might not be able to bridge some of the concepts I come out with in her mind. I find they tend to have a pretty rigid thinking pattern while in the west we tend to be more open to thinking about and trying different things. End if the day it's either going to work or it isn't, if a girl gets into a rigid mindset then that can make it a lot more difficult to work.
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2022, 04:47:50 PM »
I have dated woman in both countries and live in Ukriane. Thereís no difference in the way they dress or act really. Lol

You have no clue about woman at all.

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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2022, 04:54:19 PM »
You have no clue about woman at all.

Which woman (singular) are you talking about?
The one named Natasha ?
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Re: Really thinking a Belarus would suit me best
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2022, 03:52:18 AM »


I know £1k a month isn't going to make me a rockstar, it just needs to provide a look and lifestyle that is appealing to these women.


For three months you can live off your £1000 rental income plus put stuff on the credit card, but this will be the high watermark of the low cost playboy lifestyle.

And what happens after the cheap holiday in other people's misery? Are you keeping one room free in your refurbished house for yourself or will you go live at your mum's? If I was a student paying £400-500 a month for a bedroom and facilities I sure as hell would not want to be house sharing with the landlord.





 

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