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As I have written here before . . . I interacted with a few FSU gals who did NOT want me to use condoms.

I am pretty sure they did not want to become pregnant (probably on birth control) and they were highly educated in professional (not hooker) jobs.

They said it lessened their pleasure.  I said, "lessened my pleasure maybe, not yours."

One of them said: "No, how would it feel to you if I wore gloves while  stroking your arm?"

Anyway, they were outliers in this regard.

I think for sure wearing a condom can lessen the pleasure for both men and women and make sex harder as sensitivity and feeling is decreased.

Up to now been the only way to be sure enough to avoid bad STD's but now you can get self test STD kits to use prior to having sex. They even do an HIV one which is a great idea I think. I personally wouldn't put total faith in them even though they are supposed to be highly effective just in case but they can remove a kit of worry. Even with a condom on having sex with a woman that you have no idea of her sexual past can be off putting even if she seems a careful type.

Great that technology keeps improving to make stuff like self tests possible prior to having sex. I wouldn't want to have sex without doing a self HIV test done first for both me and the woman so we are both more relaxed I think.
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Ukrainian Front Discussion / Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Last post by Trenchcoat on Today at 08:03:37 AM »
Good exchange rate on the Ukrainian Hrivna at the moment currently 50 Hrivna to the British Pound.

http://www.google.com/search?q=gbp+to+uah&oq=gbp+to+UAH

Looks as the Ukrainian economy weakens there could be good bargains to be had. For how long that will go on for who knows?
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she wasn't 'stroking your arm"
she was "pulling your leg"

this joke is #63 in the catalog of Russian Prison Humor
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Experienced / Re: Russian/Ukranian women - views on sex before marriage?
« Last post by ML on Today at 05:45:25 AM »
Any FSW of any note would seek to take sex in a serious and safe manner if they have any sense in my opinion.

As I have written here before . . . I interacted with a few FSU gals who did NOT want me to use condoms.

I am pretty sure they did not want to become pregnant (probably on birth control) and they were highly educated in professional (not hooker) jobs.

They said it lessened their pleasure.  I said, "lessened my pleasure maybe, not yours."

One of them said: "No, how would it feel to you if I wore gloves while  stroking your arm?"

Anyway, they were outliers in this regard.
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Experienced / Re: Russian/Ukranian women - views on sex before marriage?
« Last post by Trenchcoat on Yesterday at 11:54:55 PM »
Seriously? you thought that you would bring it up here and not with her
the ten thousand times you chatted, exchanged letters or spoke face to
face?

What else have you not discussed?

You need to talk to this girl about sex! I would have brought it up before I met her
the first time. I would have told her to take extra vitamins and lots of juice, to to
go to yoga at least a week before the trip to give her strength for when I arrive.

If there is anything else you haven't discussed, do that too!!

I would be careful about how or if if is brought up before meeting, with some girls such talk could be an early sign to her that you are a sex tourist. She may go into hitting you for buying her stuff on arrival especially if she doesn't like you all that much. Even humourous talk on sex may start her thinking the wrong way.

After a while I got to raising the topic of sex this way with FSW before seeing them. I would talk about my sexual status as being clean and my preference for using protection, etc. Again need to be a little careful as sone girls might still get the wrong impression or feel a little embarrassed, but it puts it on a more serious footing and tactfully done avoids you associating her directly with having or expecting sex from her, but merely reassures her that you would hopefully seek to take sex in a safe enough manner were it to happen. Any FSW of any note would seek to take sex in a serious and safe manner if they have any sense in my opinion.
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Married / Re: Hard work -- How can I explain this to my Russian wife?
« Last post by Trenchcoat on Yesterday at 11:43:10 PM »
Is there any parallel for men or women in the FSU regarding the intense pace at work that some of us experience in the United States?  If so, even though I have been traveling to the FSU and interacting with Russian folks since 2000, I have not yet seen any corollaries in their country.  I think that I must have just missed something.

I work in a professional environment (executives, lawyers, CPAs, bankers, etc.), and run a corporate division with an annual volume of $100 million and growing.  The people with whom I interact, including outside professionals and direct reports, all work 55+ hours per week on average.  Sometimes more, rarely less.  All are working in 4th gear constantly, and many go into overdrive for hours or days at a time.  Rarely, rarely, can anybody coast, even for a day.  One lawyer (outside counsel) with whom I work closely works nearly ALL his waking hours, and is never disconnected fully from his practice, and ends up working regularly on his "vacations" (for which I have had to apologize to him from time to time -- for keeping him so busy).  I'm sure this is a familiar theme to some of you who are reading this.

I am finding that my Russian wife just doesn't seem to understand that when I am at the office or on the road, I am really working hard.  I am not playing golf, not sitting at a restaurant tipping a few with other businessmen, and not just hanging out with the boss.  It just seems that she doesn't have any frame of reference for understanding this kind of work.  Granted, she knows a few Russian WOMEN back in Ukraine who are sometimes working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.  However, it doesn't seem that she thinks it possible that a successful MAN actually "works" hard for a living.  Sometimes very hard.  I get the impression that she thinks that a man who wears a suit to the office has somehow "made it" and can thereafter simply "coast" once he arrives at his place of work.  She will think nothing of launching into a lenthy, difficult conversation on the telephone in the middle of my work day, as though I have nothing better to do.   If  I tell her I am really busy, but want to continue the conversation later when I get home, she sometimes responds ......"how can you be so busy, you aren't a mother with a child."  BTW, we don't have children (not yet).  She is in her early thirties and has never had what we would call a career, or had steady employment for years at a time.  Of course, simply that is a rather difficult thing to come by for many Ukrainians.  In her prior marriage, she was essentially a "kept woman."  She admits that she is a little spoiled, but I would not regard her wants or attitudes toward material things as excessive.  Still, I keep thinking that she has to understand that a man doesn't make good money by simply "showing up" for work. 

Naturally, I keep finding that her frame of reference for many things is limited, of course, to those things in her prior experiences in Ukraine.  However, even with respect to successful men in Ukriane, she seems to think that they just "enjoy" their status, cheat on their wives with younger girls, and drink expensive vodka and cognac, etc., but not really work.  Maybe that is true?  A continually vigorous pace of work just seems to be "foreign" to her -- except when she worked in her vegetable garden at her parents dacha, working all day long tending to the plants and vegetables.  However, I have also heard of similar stories of Russian women who have come to this country, getting an opportunity to work at either an entry level (say, a bank teller), or perhaps even a significant level (say, a physician), and then are shocked to find how intense the work situation is here -- fast-paced and unrelenting pressure.  True, nobody puts a gun to the heads of people in my position -- to work in this environment.  But many people would like to enjoy some of the benefits that come from this kind of work.  Including my wife. 

So, again, the question:  Is there a parallel for men in the FSU with respect to this kind of work pace?  How can I help her understand what I experience when working?  To what in Russian life can I refer to in order to help her develop an understanding of this aspect of life -- other than her vegetable garden?

Journeyman

I think this is all very true, the Ukrainian girl I am with doesn't really seem to understand that there is such a thing as having to 'work' again least unban environment where you just can't sit around having calls with her and long lengthy chat at any time if the day, at work or at home when resting it bedding to do chores. She has come around a bit but seeing as people know on here that I don't exactly have a very hard paced work, work, work lifestyle it is kind of surprising. In many ways I am lucky to be able to spend some time at work on communication with her, many Employers here in the UK would throw a wobbler if they saw you communicating at work on anything other than work and even fire you from your job  without much warning. So a lot of my time with my girl has to be scheduled and I think at first she found it odd and difficult to understand that I had to schedule time with her to make any time with her possibly for communication or in person.

The US is probably even more faced paced than here from what I have heard though that's probably place and workplace dependent. I think someone with a heavy schedule such as OP above will have a hard time with many FSW with them comprehending the situation, how life is in the West. It just kind of makes he laugh that even my fairly easy going pace of life is seen as a bit full on in the FSU lol.

The Jealousy thing with friends in my present relationship I have come across though fortunately (as far as I know do far) I have been lucky enough on that front, their has only been one jealous friend I know off and she is stuck back in Ukraine keeping her out of trouble. Some initial long distance trouble making from her but fortunately my girl didn't buy it and things have moved on now though. In a previous relationship 'kherson girl' mentioned what some of her friends/people she knew thought of me, even though again they had not met me. Whether true or made up the potential for bs from so called friends about you and your relationship is a potential iceberg for many a relationship with a FSW I feel. Either she is into you enough and not paranoid enough to not believe them or she believes then and it torpedoes your relationship, not the kind of helpful people you need around :-\
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Married / Re: Teenage Sex- RW and their sons
« Last post by Trenchcoat on Yesterday at 11:11:53 PM »
In many countries,  if the male child is not having sex with females by age X,  then some parents and most relatives start wondering about his sexual orientation.

I  don't think there is  the same concern about female children.

That used to be the case when it was easy(ier) to get sex and the women wanted to do it with guys in the West with a similar sense of eagerness as the guys. That was decades ago now and Western Women are way more uptight now and difficult about it. Many Western Women are choosey enough about dating never mind sex and will only date a guy who they think is suitable enough. Here Western Women now value their vagina as golden rather than an enjoyable sex toy to get used for thrills. Western Women really do have an all too serious po faced view on sex and relationships these days. You can still get a few Western Women that are giers out there but they are usually knocking around with the 'bad boys' and won't look at anyone else. Most Western Women are brought up with University in mind, in a Feminist mindset and lack any joyousness whatsoever. Many Western Women aren't serious about dating, if you get a single WW along to speed dating event with lots of other single guys she would almost certainly walk out single again at the end of that speed dating night event.

A lot of Western Women have grown up being socialised to be obsessed about careers not getting a life. It takes a lot to turn such a career girl around in terms of mindset. So up against all of that it's not so surprising that a lot of Western Men just can't get it. Some Western Men may not even want it these days, they grow up sexless with the Xbox. They get into their twenties and thirties, some meet women that are just mental, some don't meet women at all. Many many just come to decide that they don't want the burden and responsibility of having children and would rather just enjoy free time with their mates and available entertainment and chill out and relax with a big of booze, Netflix, etc, video games, etc.

Some possibly may just use girls from sites such as Fans Only and Escort sites for sex although apparently often the women on Fans Only are low quality women wanting to make bank. A couple of my relatives fell into the category you state ML, one I think we ended up finding out was actually gay after many years of speculation. The other was using Escort services and lacked the social skills and possibly the looks to get a girl easily. Both were derided by relatives and questions asked of other relatives why they hadn't got a woman behind their backs of course. God knows what they might say about me, I don't really care a lot, you don't as you get older. I have always been interested and shown interest in women but getting one in this day and age ain't easy, not in the West. Many women have a high and mighty image of themselves in the West viewing many guys as not suitable even though they ain't almost that. Others are fatties or mega fatties who think some thin dude should thank the lucky stars they are interested in him and fail to pick up on the look of disinterest and/or revulsion on his face. I think in general now there is a kind of Xbox culture among guys who just like to get with the entertainment in their spare time and let that all pass them by.

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Odds and Ends / Re: international travel
« Last post by krimster2 on Yesterday at 08:36:08 PM »
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Married / Re: Teenage Sex- RW and their sons
« Last post by ML on Yesterday at 07:31:53 PM »
In many countries,  if the male child is not having sex with females by age X,  then some parents and most relatives start wondering about his sexual orientation.

I  don't think there is  the same concern about female children.
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Experienced / Re: Russian/Ukranian women - views on sex before marriage?
« Last post by ML on Yesterday at 07:21:37 PM »
FSU gals will NOT have sex before marriage.
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