Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Immigration and Visas => Topic started by: msmob on June 13, 2020, 12:44:52 AM
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13th June:
Does anyone know of a site that shows what nation is open for certain nationalities ?
Failing that, I thought it might be helpful to post 'good news' re travel to from FSU nations ...
Example the Baltic States.. I chose Estonia, today
http://vm.ee/en/information-countries-and-quarantine-requirements-passengers (http://vm.ee/en/information-countries-and-quarantine-requirements-passengers)
They base your 'welcome' based on your nations infection rate.
BAD news nations... Russia: no-one'welcome' unless you have residency or you're a relation of a diplomat ((
Cyprus is normally a good place to meet Russians - visa is online and takes minutes ..
CLOSED to N.Americans, Brits, Russians..
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I feel sorry for you Mobe I really do but unfortunately the only flight you're likely to be taking anytime soon is one of fancy.
There will likely be an uptick in cases and the few nations that open their borders will close again pretty quickly. I reckon it will only be the very rich and famous that will likely be allowed to travel in the future, sadly not a category either of us are in :(
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Ilona told me yesterday Russia is shut down until sometime this autumn. This is what her friends told her.
Georgia is supposed to open July 1st. But if there is a surge of covid cases they will shut the borders.
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http://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/russia-partly-reopen-borders-virus-easing
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Ilona told me yesterday Russia is shut down until sometime this autumn. This is what her friends told her.
Georgia is supposed to open July 1st. But if there is a surge of covid cases they will shut the borders.
Indeed, I would be surprised if there is any let up from Russia. Ukraine however seems to be about to open it's border, for how long who knows:
http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-to-reopen-its-borders-three-months-after-shutdown.html
I can only imagine if any flights resume they will likely quickly be booked up by sex tourists. Little hope for those with other motives I would guess.
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I commend Trench on an honest, realistic post..)))
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I commend Trench on an honest, realistic post..)))
Why thank you Mobers, you are most welcome :D
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Whoosh ....
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Sorry, this is very Euro centric but involves mention of Ukraine and Russia
http://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/which-european-countries-have-opened-their-borders-ahead-of-the-summer-holiday-season (http://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/which-european-countries-have-opened-their-borders-ahead-of-the-summer-holiday-season)
Given, I know someone who has travelled from the UK to Luxembourg by ferry and road via NL and B ( via a car ferry from the UK to NL ) and NO questions asked ( before the UK imposed a 14 day quaratine for arrivals on June 8th ) , makes one wonder as to the accuracy of such articles ?
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All seems pretty accurate from what I see/hear Moby.
Great to see things here get to our 'new normal'. Still a couple of hundred new cases daily, mostly in Lombardia(Milan/Bergamo area) hoping that will go down further. Active testing, tracking and tracing going on to catch all possible. An app is up and running being used by quite a few already.
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Ukraine is now open to tourists, but one must produce insurance in case of hospitalization with Covid-19. So, it's just a matter of finding and buying the right insurance.
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The difficulty may be getting a flight in or out of Ukraine. UIA is flying a skeleton schedule until the end of the month. Officially, they won't book other flights until August 1st, but that could change.
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I would assume that this winter there will be another shutdown in Russia/Ukraine....
those of you who haven't already received your allotment of women from the FSU are "sh%t out of luck" as far as the future goes...
sorry!
can't wait for my son in law's Party with the BEST Russian strippers you can ever imagine, OMG!!!
so much pooty-tang there!!!
after this tumultuous year, my wife has given me (actually gave it to myself, got her to agree) my sexual freedom with temporary liaisons d'amour
which will be convenient for my travels throughout Russia
and whatever opportunities may come my way
which is ALWAYS an abundance!!
my wife doesn't think the Vektor Vaccine will work, and that I'm going to end up getting Covid in Russia and dying there
maybe...
maybe not...
I'll see...
but I march to a beat of a different drummer
while the rest of ya'll can just stay at home and feel safe
I will be deciding between life and death with every step, every deal I make
keeps me sharp and on my toes, play my best A+ game
and feel no fear
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Wife reports that Ukraine is now reporting record numbers of new cases on a daily basis.
Not surprising since they restarted cramming into Metro some days back.
Only idiots would not understand what was going to happen.
Can't believe anyone would want to be going there now.
And, to repeat for Nth time . . . many nations are or have been reporting much lower numbers than USA . . . which simply indicates they are not reporting true numbers.
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Can't believe anyone would want to be going there now.
Wife reports that Ukraine is now reporting record numbers of new cases on a daily basis.
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Can't believe anyone would want to be going there now.
Some people have business or personal reasons for traveling.
I am convinced that I had this in December and caught it on a flight before all of the publicity. I am sure that I am immune now, and not worried.
Unless I am seeing "ghost flights" online, Turkish airlines is flying to Kiev, with connections to the U.S., but not UIA. That is strange.
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get tested and find out if you have anti-bodies
everyone who has been to Russia and has gotten sick, thinks it might be Covid, including me...
but I got tested, and I had no anti-bodies, so it wan't covid
in September my daughter's and I are getting the Vecktor Vaccine
next year, almost everyone in Russia will have this vaccine
meanwhile other vaccines will becoming available
this is the ONLY way out of this situation
if it doesn't work, then game over, for the WHOLE WORLD
and welcome to "The Walking Dead" series without zombies
just your run-of-the-mill post-plague apocalypse
buckle up, it's gonna get bouncy!!!
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I am convinced that I had this in December and caught it on a flight before all of the publicity. I am sure that I am immune now, and not worried.
There are lots of people on the internet all over the world that got sick last year and are convinced it was COVID-19. It's all guess work. Even if you truly did get infected by the coronavirus and beat it, immunity is not guaranteed. 4 monkeys were infected and beat the virus with their own antibodies. Elevated antibodies are believed to provide immunity. The monkeys were introduced to the virus a second time and two out of the 4 monkeys got sick again.
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Elevated antibodies are believed to provide immunity. The monkeys were introduced to the virus a second time and two out of the 4 monkeys got sick again.
Yeah, I read about some U.S. navy sailors who tested positive for Covid-19 after having had it before. Of all of the diseases that sailors get reinfected with in port, this is the least embarassing to tell mom about...
I also read that T cells are important in fighting off Covid-19, which explains why most young children seem to be immune from it. It may not be about anti-bodies so much.
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Turkish Airlines had flight 458 KBP to IST and flight 5 IST to ORD working--but it seems Ukraine has closed the borders again.
Ukraine opened the borders on 15 June, but closed them on 17 June.
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Turkish Airlines had flight 458 KBP to IST and flight 5 IST to ORD working--but it seems Ukraine has closed the borders again.
Ukraine opened the borders on 15 June, but closed them on 17 June.
Do you have a source for this?
AFAIK, Ukraine has opened for international flights. There are a select few repatriation flights scheduled. The problem appears to be that UIA lacks reciprocal agreements with other major air hubs, except for Turkey. Therefore, UIA won't book any more flights until Aug. 1st. Understand that if the airline transports a sick person, or someone who is denied a visa, it is responsible for the situation, and it can cause a lot of inconvenience for both the passenger and the airline.
Ukraine is not in the EU, so it is not part of the club for most of Europe. It might be a good time to see Istanbul, and then cross the border into Bulgaria to get inside the EU if needed. There is still a ferry from Karasu, Turkey near Istanbull to Chernomorsk, near Odessa. I assume that is still running and the sea port is open.
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Well, it says here that Ukraine extended the quarantine rules yesterday, but it says nothing about closing the borders or the air and sea ports:
http://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/uryad-prodovzhiv-diyu-adaptivnogo-karantinu-do-31-lipnya
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Understand that if the airline transports a sick person, or someone who is denied a visa, it is responsible for the situation, and it can cause a lot of inconvenience for both the passenger and the airline.
And what about 'inconvenience' to other passengers subjected to the sick passenger ?
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That's what the masks are for!
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Well, it says here that Ukraine extended the quarantine rules yesterday, but it says nothing about closing the borders or the air and sea ports:
http://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/uryad-prodovzhiv-diyu-adaptivnogo-karantinu-do-31-lipnya
Cases of Coronavirus in Ukraine look like they will be going to 1000 per day in Ukraine this weekend. Possibly the figure may be way higher than that depending on reporting of serious cases, etc.
Whether this will end up with people from countries that are recovering from Coronavirus being able to travel to a country where cases are starting to go up fast is still to be seen. They might do or one or another country may shut it down. We've got around 1200 cases per day in the UK at the moment down from several thousand cases a day around a month ago. So potentially we're heading downwards in cases as Ukraine heads upwards in cases.
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Exactly...the UK has stopped falling..((
Numbers up on day before...Too many Muppets and daft govt ministers setting bad examples (
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Cases of Coronavirus in Ukraine look like they will be going to 1000 per day in Ukraine this weekend. Possibly the figure may be way higher than that depending on reporting of serious cases, etc.
Whether this will end up with people from countries that are recovering from Coronavirus being able to travel to a country where cases are starting to go up fast is still to be seen. They might do or one or another country may shut it down. We've got around 1200 cases per day in the UK at the moment down from several thousand cases a day around a month ago. So potentially we're heading downwards in cases as Ukraine heads upwards in cases.
It's not just total cases, but also the rate of transmission, and understanding who is most at risk from it. With months of experience treating the illness, the medical community is also getting better at treating it. Europe is reopening its borders, and barring something drastic, so is Ukraine.
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It's not just total cases, but also the rate of transmission, and understanding who is most at risk from it. With months of experience treating the illness, the medical community is also getting better at treating. Europe is reopening its borders, and barring something drastic, so is Ukraine.
As of now, Europe is not reopening its borders to Ukraine, Russia, the UK, Sweden ... unless those folks agree to 14-days quarantine ...
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As of now, Europe is not reopening its borders to Ukraine, Russia, the UK, Sweden ... unless those folks agree to 14-days quarantine ...
Ukraine, Russia, the UK, and Sweden are all part of Europe. (Well maybe not the U.K. because it's a group of islands...) From what I read, it is possible to get connecting flights there, but otherwise entry is barred for tourists and those lacking residency, but the borders are open for EU workers, and most EU citizens. There are many Ukrainian citizens working in Poland who have no problem crossing the borders to Poland.
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One can only enter Schengen nations from UA and RU IF you are resident..or have to attend to an ill family member...
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I am interested in if a Ukrainian can fly from Kyiv to Istanbul airport, two hours later, board a flight to Chicago.
That is, no quarantine in Istanbul.
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A Ukrainian can transit ( say Istanbul's main airport ) a long as they wear a mask, have health insurance - in case put in a private hospital - if having a temperature and testing positive for COVID-19
The US seem to allow folks from Turkey and Ukraine
http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/US-USA-passport-visa-health-travel-document-requirements.htm
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/announcements/coronavirus-outbreak/
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One can only enter Schengen nations from UA and RU IF you are resident..or have to attend to an ill family member...
There are other exceptions as well. Some who have the right to residency, but not a resident's card presently, can also enter an EU country. In most EU countries, it is still possible to transit for connecting flights. Ukrainian citizens can and do cross the border to work in Poland while living in Ukraine. The same is true of those attending a university.
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There are other exceptions as well. Some who have the right to residency, but not a resident's card presently, can also enter an EU country. In most EU countries, it is still possible to transit for connecting flights. Ukrainian citizens can and do cross the border to work in Poland while living in Ukraine. The same is true of those attending a university.
I'm sorry, but my wife has a current Schengen based on our marriage and cannot enter any Schengen nation, nor the UK or Cyprus. She had applied for residency in Cyprus, but then was issued a family permit visa to the UK
She would be subject to an automatic 14 day quarantine on arrival ...even if she could board a plane.
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The E.U. is not a federal state. The laws are not uniform. Each country puts its own interpretation on the general E.U. guidelines, and the rights and laws do differ from state to state. Poland appears to have more liberal laws than Cyprus, and there are many Ukrainians living, working, and studying in Poland. That border is not closed, even though Ukraine is not part of the E.U.
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The E.U. is not a federal state. The laws are not uniform. Each country puts its own interpretation on the general E.U. guidelines, and the rights and laws do defere from state to state. Poland appears to have more liberal laws than Cyprus, and there are many Ukrainians living, working, and studying in Poland. That border is not closed, even though Ukraine is not part of the E.U.
Er No....
Those that are Schengen members have been asked that all borders between member nations reopen.
Cyprus is NOT a Schengen member...Poland IS..and her borders with BY and UA remain closed, save for the exceptions mentioned... Residency, essential work and work permits..
http://www.euronews.com/2020/06/13/coronavirus-poland-reopens-all-its-eu-borders-for-first-time-in-nearly-three-months.
But the non-EU borders with Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian exclave Kaliningrad are still closed.
In Polish: http://www.gov.pl/web/koronawirus/13-czerwca-otwieramy-granice--kontrole-tylko-wyrywkowo
"However, the EU's external borders remain closed."
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Er No....
Those that are Schengen members have been asked that all borders between member nations reopen.
Cyprus is NOT a Schengen member...Poland IS..and her borders with BY and UA remain closed, save for the exceptions mentioned... Residency, essential work and work permits..
http://www.euronews.com/2020/06/13/coronavirus-poland-reopens-all-its-eu-borders-for-first-time-in-nearly-three-months.
But the non-EU borders with Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian exclave Kaliningrad are still closed.
In Polish: http://www.gov.pl/web/koronawirus/13-czerwca-otwieramy-granice--kontrole-tylko-wyrywkowo
"However, the EU's external borders remain closed."
Er...Yes. The exceptions are much broader than what you list. It includes foreigners engaged in trasport services, those with a Polish identity card, like the Karta Polaka, or "people who have the right of permanent or temporary residence in the Republic of Poland or a work permit":
http://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/travel
So, that is quite broad, and many Ukrainians or Belarussians qualilfy to cross the border. Furthermore, Poland's constitution grants those of Polish ancestry the right of residency in Poland. That applies to many in the FSU.
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Er...Yes. The exceptions are much broader than what you list. It includes foreigners engaged in trasport services, those with a Polish identity card, like the Karta Polaka, or "people who have the right of permanent or temporary residence in the Republic of Poland or a work permit":
http://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/travel
'Thank you' for confirming, yet 'disagreeing' with what I had posted.. I confess I omitted reserved / essential occupations ...
So, that is quite broad, and many Ukrainians or Belarussians qualilfy to cross the border. Furthermore, Poland's constitution grants those of Polish ancestry the right of residency in Poland. That applies to many in the FSU.
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During the COVID-19 pandemic, kindly demonstrate to us how a person of 'Polish ancestry' can obtain residency / citizenship ? Do you understand that during this crisis even those with existing Schengen Visas or in the case of the UK ( which is in Europe ) or Cyprus, a std Visitor Visa cannot enter ... ?
This is why the term the 'border is closed' is still in use .. it implies 'open' to only exceptional cases.
I started this thread as my Wife and I are apart and I seek a way to be reunited without being quarantined on arrival of returning to our respective 'home nations' ..her ( stalled) application for residency does not count as a right to enter, even though from a European Directive ( which means an EU law that supersedes a conflicting national law ) perspective... 'every facility should be granted' to prove that right..
I'm not adverse to pitching up at borders and insisting right to enter without a visa / residency in normal circumstances, with supporting documentation and a good reason for not having a visa / residency... but these are exceptional times.
You were wrong re the 'federal' bit re the EU ... from the perspective of national law .. There are many EU Directives whereby a citizen can insist that a national law is negated by an EU Directive and Norway, / Switzerland and Lichtenstein should 'obey' these Directives to be part of the Free trade EEA / ETFA grouping with the EU and should ( normally) comply with the same immigration rules.
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I started this thread as my Wife and I are apart and I seek a way to be reunited without being quarantined on arrival of returning to our respective 'home nations' ..her ( stalled) application for residency does not count as a right to enter, even though from a European Directive ( which means an EU law that supersedes a conflicting national law ) perspective... 'every facility should be granted' to prove that right..
Sorry that you are separated from your wife. You appear to misunderstand what a E.U. Directive is. An E. U. Directive, by definition:
A directive is a legal act of the European Union which requires member states to achieve a particular result without dictating the means of achieving that result. It can be distinguished from regulations, which are self-executing and do not require any implementing measures. Directives normally leave member states with a certain amount of leeway as to the exact rules to be adopted. Directives can be adopted by means of a variety of legislative procedures depending on their subject matter.
So, an E.U. Directive requires the member states to implement legislation that substantially complies with the directive, but there are no legal rights from the directive itself absent the implementing legislation. However, the methods of implementing a directive can vary, as can the interpretations of the local law.
You were wrong re the 'federal' bit re the EU ... from the perspective of national law .. There are many EU Directives whereby a citizen can insist that a national law is negated by an EU Directive and Norway, / Switzerland and Lichtenstein should 'obey' these Directives to be part of the Free trade EEA / ETFA grouping with the EU and should ( normally) comply with the same immigration rules.
No, E.U. directives by themselves don't negate national law. Something more is required from the member state. When they don't change laws to enact E.U. directives, and they are given some time to do this, they get haled in front of some bureaucrat or committee to respond, and then told they are being very naughty if they haven't implemented the directive. If they have implemented legislation for the directive, but then deviate from it in the administration of the law, then that is a different matter.
I'm not adverse to pitching up at borders and insisting right to enter without a visa / residency in normal circumstances, with supporting documentation and a good reason for not having a visa / residency... but these are exceptional times.
Right, there is a health crisis, and it varies in intensity from place to place, even within the Shengen zones borders. You and your wife could meet in Greece without a 14 day quarantine, unless one of you were to test positive for the virus.
This is why the term the 'border is closed' is still in use .. it implies 'open' to only exceptional cases.
No, the borders between Poland and Ukraine are not closed. They are plainly open for business, commerce, and workers. The border is only closed to tourists.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, kindly demonstrate to us how a person of 'Polish ancestry' can obtain residency / citizenship ? Do you understand that during this crisis even those with existing Schengen Visas or in the case of the UK ( which is in Europe ) or Cyprus, a std Visitor Visa cannot enter ... ?
Many born abroad were in fact born as dual citizens. So Poland has many "undocumented citizens". It is a complicated process to obtain the documents, as many of the archives are now in the FSU. I don't have a Polish passport, but have never had an issue crossing the borders of Poland. That includes border guards not even bothering to stamp my passport. It is an issue completely distinct from a Schengen visa, since Poland grants people of Polish ancestry either citizenship or residency rights in its constitution.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGA5HlqN-0o
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OMG,
Someone is going to try to tell me, who has WON ( several times )written apologies apologies from from FOUR EU member states [ Latvia, Cyprus, UK and IRL ( CY twice ) what a Directive is .... :ROFL:
Sorry that you are separated from your wife.
Thank you..appreciated
You appear to misunderstand what a E.U. Directive is. An E. U. Directive, by definition: So, an E.U. Directive requires the member states to implement legislation that substantially complies with the directive, but there are no legal rights from the directive itself absent the implementing legislation. However, the methods of implementing a directive can vary, as can the interpretations of the local law.
No, E.U. directives by themselves don't negate national law. Something more is required from the member state. When they don't change laws to enact E.U. directives, and they are given some time to do this, they get haled in front of some bureaucrat or committee to respond, and then told they are being very naughty if they haven't implemented the directive. If they have implemented legislation for the directive, but then deviate from it in the administration of the law, then that is a different matter.
As I said, and have worn the t-shirt ( four times ) if a state has not opted out of a Directive then it is BOUND to implement the Directive, if it's national law does not comply / is in conflict ..
Right, there is a health crisis, and it varies in intensity from place to place, even within the Shengen zones borders. You and your wife could meet in Greece without a 14 day quarantine, unless one of you were to test positive for the virus.
No.."Tourism minister Haris Theoharis told the ANA-MPA news agency: “Tourists originating from airports listed on EASA ( includes UK ) are obliged to be tested once they land in Greece and remain at a designated hotel for one day. If the test turns out negative, these visitors will then be obliged to observe a seven-day quarantine. If their sample is positive, they will remain in a 14-day quarantine and their health will be monitored.""
Also, Wifey's six month Schengen expires on 24th June ... She cannot even apply for an appointment for new visa until 29th June http://ru-gr.gvcworld.eu/en (http://ru-gr.gvcworld.eu/en) The earliest date for Schengen Visa nations to enter the EU is July 1st
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-commission-lays-out-guidance-for-resumption-of-visa-operations/
IF I met wifey, and we were both cleared, we'd both have to 14 day quarantine on returning to the UK or Russia ..
No, the borders between Poland and Ukraine are not closed. They are plainly open for business, commerce, and workers. The border is only closed to tourists.
They are closed ( third time ) to non Residents and those with current Schengen tourist or biz visas, unless the profession is ranked essential, medical, transport
Many born abroad were in fact born as dual citizens. So Poland has many "undocumented citizens".
Unless they have residency, an EU passport or a Polish passport, then - until this crisis ends, no entry .. I hold two EU nationalities ( oh, bugger, the UK one may be useless, soon ) and could hold three .. I'm quite familiar many EU nations laws regarding citizenship and residency requirements...
It is a complicated process to obtain the documents, as many of the archives are now in the FSU. I don't have a Polish passport, but have never had an issue crossing the borders of Poland. That includes border guards not even bothering to stamp my passport. It is an issue completely distinct from a Schengen visa, since Poland grants people of Polish ancestry either citizenship or residency rights in its constitution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGA5HlqN-0o
You'll forgive me, but I'm not familiar with your citizenship status, but I do know that entering Poland from a non-EU nation during the current crisis is heavily curtailed ..
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OMG,
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No.."Tourism minister Haris Theoharis told the ANA-MPA news agency: “Tourists originating from airports listed on EASA ( includes UK ) are obliged to be tested once they land in Greece and remain at a designated hotel for one day. If the test turns out negative, these visitors will then be obliged to observe a seven-day quarantine. If their sample is positive, they will remain in a 14-day quarantine and their health will be monitored.""
According to what's on the website for Athens International Airport, a person arriving as a tourist gets tested on arrival and must stay in his/her hotel for ONE day awaiting the results. If the test result is negative, there is no further need to quarantine:
http://www.aia.gr/traveler/travellers-info/faq-for-covid19
You appear to want to assume the worst. Once cleared in Athens after 1 day, your wife would be free to join you elsewhere in the Schengen Zone without issue.
Independent, and generally superceding, the Schengen visa, is the E.U.'s right to family life provided you work in the right business. Don't know how exactly that works in the Coronavirus lockdown period, but it probably doesn't excuse you from the quarantine, if required.
They are closed ( third time ) to non Residents and those with current Schengen tourist or biz visas, unless the profession is ranked essential, medical, transport
No one is so blind as he who will not see!
Unless they have residency, an EU passport or a Polish passport, then - until this crisis ends, no entry .. I hold two EU nationalities ( oh, bugger, the UK one may be useless, soon ) and could hold three .. I'm quite familiar many EU nations laws regarding citizenship and residency requirements...
That's not what is stated above... To paraphrase Will Rogers, it isn't what people don't know that causes them problems. It's what they are sure of that just isn't so....
You'll forgive me, but I'm not familiar with your citizenship status, but I do know that entering Poland from a non-EU nation during the current crisis is heavily curtailed ..
In case you missed it, Poland is holding a presidential election on June 28th, with a runoff, if needed July 12th. The European Court of Human Rights does not recognize a right to vote by mail, so failure to open the country impugns the integrity of the election. The right to cross the border isn't being curtailled as much as you want to beleive. I can conclude that your wife lacks Polish ancestry, or she would know about the Karta Polaka, etc.
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According to this, Boryspil Kyiv International, Igor Sikorsky Kyiv International and Odessa International airports have reopened all of the shops inside:
http://www.moodiedavittreport.com/timefortravel-first-steps-to-recovery-in-ukraine-as-heinemann-partnership-stores-reopen/
This is a good start, but when do all the international flights resume?
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me, who has WON ( several times )written apologies apologies from from FOUR EU member states [ Latvia, Cyprus, UK and IRL ( CY twice ) what a Directive is ....
In the past, you also got apologies from judges and police. Can you post some of those written apologizes here? Reminds me when I was in the Army. One soldier always had a bigger fish than anybody else story. He won all kinds of awards and had a lot of memorabilia signed by famous sports stars. He was also friends with Joe Montana. I asked him for the proof and he said it all burn up in the house fire. Did you have a house fire too?
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According to what's on the website for Athens International Airport, a person arriving as a tourist gets tested on arrival and must stay in his/her hotel for ONE day awaiting the results. If the test result is negative, there is no further need to quarantine:
http://www.aia.gr/traveler/travellers-info/faq-for-covid19
I'm very grateful for your participation ( I also quoted from this site, yesterday) as this site has updated info ..more in a mo..
You appear to want to assume the worst. Once cleared in Athens after 1 day, your wife would be free to join you elsewhere in the Schengen Zone without issue.
I'm trying to meet her in the UK or Cyprus... where we have accommodation.. BOTH or us would be subjected to quarantine on returning to either of our home nations, currently..
Her Schengen expires on 25th June.. but the GOOD news is that one can get an appointment for a Greek Schengen online from the 29th June.
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Independent, and generally superceding, the Schengen visa, is the E.U.'s right to family life provided you work in the right business. Don't know how exactly that works in the Coronavirus lockdown period, but it probably doesn't excuse you from the quarantine, if required.
Currently it doesn't even allow entry to Schengen nations ..until 29/6 in Greece's case ...
However ... this gem appeared ..
There is temporary ban of entry to all non-EU citizens; the specific ban applies until 29/06/2020, as announced by the Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority. Exemptions apply as per the Greek Government Gazette/B/916/17.03.2020. More specifically, exempted from the restriction are:
Family members of EU citizens. [/quote]
In case you missed it, Poland is holding a presidential election on June 28th, with a runoff, if needed July 12th. The European Court of Human Rights does not recognize a right to vote by mail, so failure to open the country impugns the integrity of the election. The right to cross the border isn't being curtailled as much as you want to beleive. I can conclude that your wife lacks Polish ancestry, or she would know about the Karta Polaka, etc.
I am confused as to your continued 'fixation' with entry to Poland and Polish ancestry .. Neither scenario applies to us..I have explained why the non-EU borders are CLOSED to all non-EU citizens except to those with residency rights and exempt professions ...with specific links. Those with a right to vote in an election n Poland aren't excluded !
The point of this thread is to help folks to meet up, if separated ..
It seems clear that the Schengen nations will be opening up to family members of EU nationals in late June / early July ..IF you can get a visa.
Again, I'm grateful for our discussion
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In the past, you also got apologies from judges and police. Can you post some of those written apologizes here? Reminds me when I was in the Army. One soldier always had a bigger fish than anybody else story. He won all kinds of awards and had a lot of memorabilia signed by famous sports stars. He was also friends with Joe Montana. I asked him for the proof and he said it all burn up in the house fire. Did you have a house fire too?
He lives in mum’s basement on an old ratty sofa. A dog probably ate his “proofs”. :ROFL:
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Goodness, here comes BillyB to troll
In the past, you also got apologies from judges and police. Can you post some of those written apologizes here? Reminds me when I was in the Army. One soldier always had a bigger fish than anybody else story. He won all kinds of awards and had a lot of memorabilia signed by famous sports stars. He was also friends with Joe Montana. I asked him for the proof and he said it all burn up in the house fire. Did you have a house fire too?
SillyBillyB,it's time for you to search the fora..
There, you'll find:
1/ IRL: When my maternal Grandma was about to die and I needed the option to fly V via Dublin to N.Ireland when we were resident in Cyprus... There's a thread about my 'debate' that V didn't actually NEED a visa and they relented and gave her a Visa without her photo in it and hand written on the visa sticker... plus my correspondence with Dublin
2/ Cyprus x 2: V was being hassled at CY passport control as she shared a birthday with a RU lady with the same christian name and date of birth ( but not year ) or surname .."You're on a stop list" After several times and us hanging back til last, as V found this process humiliating we had a letter from the Head of CY immigration to TELL the passport control officer NOT to hassle her .. but the Head was replaced after a new govt was elected so ...We got an apology from the new Govt Ombudsman..
In that apology, we got an apology for:
3/ CY's long-term incorrect treatment of V and son... I had had 1600 Euros blocked from my bank account - to facilitate repatriation to Siberia, as they were only 'granted' Temporary Residency and not residency as the dependants of an EU citizen's family members. Many rows in immigration and telling me I did not know CY's law and my calmly reminding said 'sen officer' that CY was in the EU and THEY had to comply with the Directive
I tried to make V a Director of my CY based Ltd company and was told I'd be arrested for employing an illegal and she was illegally working ..
So, in August 2008, we announced we were leaving and 2 days before we left ... the apology arrived,
4/ UK: My set-son tried to get a job, working part-time for McDs and was 'refused' as he could not prove his right to work ..... The UK law was and still is ( currently) that the EU citizen's dependents could reside and work with a Family Permit Visa . ..and that was sufficient .. Many letters to and fro with the Home Office and meetings with a USELESS Labour MP and using SolVit ... whose own solicitor had to be educated by me and the UK govt issued a letter to McDs confirming my son's right to work .. Plus we got an letter from the both the Dept of Works and Pensions AND Home Office apologising, but still suggesting we a apply for 'permit' we had no legal obligation to apply for ...
5/ Lativa: In my road trip to Russia thread, I was refused 'exit' from Latvia to Russia as I was' illegally' driving my car on Latvian roads .. We spend 4 days waiting for the hard copy of the car's registration docs, even though I had a perfectly legal downloaded Temp reg Cert ( valid in all EU nations ) and had a letter from the Russians stating they would accept it
I used SolVit to claim back the hotel accommodation, extra fuel costs and meals we incurred.
http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/what-is-solvit/index_en.htm
(http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/what-is-solvit/index_en.htm)
6/ UK: We have an official complaint in to the Home Office re SC's treatment at Dunkirk on 26th December
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He lives in mum’s basement on an old ratty sofa. A dog probably ate his “proofs”. :ROFL:
1/ We have our own places to live ... NOT in the UK
2/ I'm caring for my beloved Ma - who you know has Alzheimer's ( explained not a few times ) and I came to do a 2 month stint and then the virus arrived and only one person could be her carer and my siblings are younger and still working full time ..
3/ As you also know, this house hasn't got a basement - but it's a worth over $1m US and has 4 double bedrooms and I'm sleeping in my very own double bed . I own 40 percent of another UK home worth more than $1m US... and await my younger daughter's finishing full-time education to access my enforced UK saving's scheme ..
So, 'Cornfed' ... 'run and cry' .. 'coz I called you a 'bad name' and pointed out you're making stuff up.. AGAIN ..
Unlike you, some of us have close family (and a wife) and are quite happy to ensure their Ma's are protected and happy in their twilight years... :popcorn:
Now be a good chap and leave those WITH a FSU partner to 'discuss' what you're ( in your on words ) "too old, now" to be 'discussing' .. You have no skin in this game' and certainly nothing to offer in this thread ..
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I'm very grateful for your participation ( I also quoted from this site, yesterday) as this site has updated info ..more in a mo..
I'm trying to meet her in the UK or Cyprus... where we have accommodation.. BOTH or us would be subjected to quarantine on returning to either of our home nations, currently..
Her Schengen expires on 25th June.. but the GOOD news is that one can get an appointment for a Greek Schengen online from the 29th June.
You are very welcome. I am happy to help. E.U. rules get applied in a mish-mash by the member states laws and regulations. Once in Greece, hopefully the internal borders will be open to elsewhere in the Schengen Zone for you.
I am confused as to your continued 'fixation' with entry to Poland and Polish ancestry .. Neither scenario applies to us..I have explained why the non-EU borders are CLOSED to all non-EU citizens except to those with residency rights and exempt professions ...with specific links. Those with a right to vote in an election n Poland aren't excluded !
Obviously, since your wife lacks a Polish heritage, none of this applies to you. However, those of Polish descent in the FSU, who are many, have another option for entry to Poland, which is independent of a Schengen visa as it derives from a right of residency, not a tourist visa. Apparently, the present Polish government has narrowed the grounds for the Karta Polaka as Tusk's party wanted more cheap labor from the East to replace those Poles who were working in the West, and was giving residency to those who just learned the language, but lacked any demonstrated Polish heritage.
The courts will determine if the current Polish presidential election has been conducted fairly. The ruling party declined to call a state of emergency and postpone it for 90 days out of fear the incumbent president would be at least temporarily replaced by the end of his constitutional term before the election. Having an election in May, in which no one actually voted, as it wasn't officially cancelled, made news...
The point of this thread is to help folks to meet up, if separated ..
It seems clear that the Schengen nations will be opening up to family members of EU nationals in late June / early July ..IF you can get a visa.
Again, I'm grateful for our discussion
Your intent when starting the thread, perhaps, was to help those who were seperated, but the travel restrictions due to the virus affect others as well. The lack of uniformity in the Schengen Zone does offer opportunities for those willing to spend a little more money and do things a bit more creatively, but one must look for them.
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So I just found this:
Entry to Ukraine for foreigners
According to Minister of Infrastructure Vladyslav Krykliy, the government, by its decision, opened checkpoints at Ukrainian airports and allowed entry for foreigners who are not citizens of countries with a significant spread of Covid-19.
Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine
The Ministry of Health of Ukraine has published a list of countries that according to the incidence rate of Covid-19 belong to the "red" and "green" zones. According to the decision of the Government of Ukraine, states with a significant spread of Covid-19 are countries in which the number of active cases of coronavirus infection is more than 40 people per 100 thousand.
The Cabinet of Ministers’ bill provides that crossing a state border by a person who has arrived from a state with a significant spread of coronavirus is the basis for observing this person.
http://112.international/ukraine-top-news/ukraine-opens-borders-and-launches-air-service-where-to-fly-52253.html
It doesn't state how long such a person will be under observation. There is a list here of the numbers used for the determination:
http://beta.moz.gov.ua/uploads/ckeditor/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81/%D0%86%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%20%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%85%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20100%20%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81.%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%2014%20%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8F.pdf
So, at present, it looks like most arriving from the West will be under quarantine in Ukraine.
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OK, so this just in!
A few days ago, the government allowed people to travel through Ukraine on transit without quarantine. The Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers made the corresponding changes to the resolution No.392 dated May 20, 2020. At the same time, the government determined that people traveling on transit through Ukraine should not be placed under observation or required to go into two-week self-isolation if they intend to leave Ukraine within two days.'
http://ukranews.com/en/news/710257-travel-on-transit-through-ukraine-allowed-without-observation-or-self-isolation-border-service
Health insurance is required and must cover hospitalization for Covid-19, unless one is a refugee or stateless person with residency rights in Ukraine.
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There's lots of nations one can TRANSIT and could always transit .. the issue was would one be accepted at the journey's end and without a period of quarantine
*I* started the thread about places FSU folk go to / we can go to
I can now go to Russia on a private invitation visa which normally takes 3 months to get (?) but I'd still need to quarantine both in RU and the UK
Still looking like France of Cyprus in mid August (
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today is the first day in Moscva that
restaurants, cafes, gyms, libraries, saunas, swimming pools, day care, playgrounds, social welfare offices, and sports facilities will be officially allowed to reopen!!!!
crimean travel border, fully open to Russia
ruh-ro!
everyone must wear masks and gloves when outside
or get fined by the militsa
you must maintain distance in lines!!
this means, you can’t shove people or cut in front of them in line!
even if it’s some old lady!
TOTALLY illegal NOW under Russian law!!
WTF, where’s my freedom to shove old people in lines gone to, huh?
moy jhoppa!!
I don’t care about the law
when shoving old people in lines is outlawed
only outlaws will shove old people in lines
HA!
PS
for those who don't know about the sport of "Babooshka Shoving"
when some ole babooshka tries to cut in front of your line
you grab her by the shoulder and you shove her out of line
with one hand
and gesture with your thumb to the back of the line
on a good day, you can do this 3-4 times per day standing in lines in Moscva!
then EVERYONE looks at you with DEEP admiration and gratitude in their eyes
but now those carefree days are GONE!!!
and some ole starooshka is gonna cut you in line
and legally not a damn thing you can do about it now
hence, the outlaw approach
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The Muscovites have decided on Sochi and prob Crimea to soak up the suns rays...29C / 84F ) in Sochi today ..
SC's birthday was crappy weather so it was shashlik on the beach, today
(http://i.imgur.com/838v3Ytm.jpg)
Madam was suggesting she needed to get to the Krasotka Salon, PDQ, as there's 'serious' bikini line issues ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/tCmsFpM.jpg)
sea weed, of course
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Just had an email from the French Schengen Visa people ..
NOT good news for those with partners / girlfriends / or even US folk hoping to visit Schengen nations without residency
In connection with the epidemiological situation associated with Covid-19, France suspended the submission of documents and the issuance of visas until new orders. This decision applies to all visa applications (short-term Schengen visas, long-term national visas for staying in France, visas for overseas territories). The decision also applies to applications that have already been submitted and to applications for which a preliminary record is already available. In the coming weeks, a gradual resumption of activities is planned for some priority categories of
visas. The consulate will soon inform about the resumption of work.
However, the external borders of the Schengen zone remain closed, and the presence of a visa is not a guarantee of entry into France, which is still limited for some categories of people.
All short-term visa applications that were pending at the Consulate were returned to VFS Visa Application Centers to return the passports to applicants. Applicants whose applications have been rejected by the Consulate will need to re-apply for a visa after resuming work.
Applications for a long-term national visa remain at the Consulate, but their consideration is suspended until the resumption of the service.
Applicants who have received a visa but were unable to travel due to cancellation of flights due to COVID-19 will be able to re-submit a new application by the end of June. An application for a visa will be submitted with a facilitated set of documents (mainly on new conditions of stay) for a period equal to the initial request. These visa applications will receive particular attention. Holders of type C visas with start and end dates from the beginning to the end of the border closure period will be able to apply for exemption from
payment of the visa fee upon filing a new application for the same purpose of the trip as in the previous request. Previous visa must be unused. The consulate will provide more detailed information on the procedure for this procedure, when it will be possible to resume the service.
Residence permits in France, long-term national visas or temporary residence permits (“récépissé de demande de renouvellement de titre de séjour”), which expire from March 16 to June 15, 2020, are extended by 6 months. If you have one of these documents, your main place of residence is in France, and you are blocked outside of France due to the interruption of flights, you will be able to return to France when the situation permits, provided that you fly directly to France flight. When crossing the border you will need to
prove your stay in France.
In case of justified emergencies, you can extend a short-term visa (no more than 90 days) or a temporary residence permit if you are in France on the basis of an expired short-term visa and cannot return to your home country because this country prohibits entry from France due to health reasons, or due to the fact that air traffic was discontinued. To do this, you need to contact the prefecture at the place of stay.