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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2018, 06:16:28 PM »
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BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BSsomeone put their hands on you?try being a coal minertry being a police officertry picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a dayor any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after yearand see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you

The point was not that someone put his hands on me.  The point is that he, to this day, does not know that it was unwanted.  Just like the prostitutes you speak with.  They are not going to tell a potential client "Actually, I am disgusted at the thought of having some random guy put his hands on me." 


You still haven't answered whether you'd be proud if your daughters were Amsterdam window girls, or say, working at a ranch in Nevada, having sex with 10 or more men a day.
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2018, 06:40:56 PM »

jesus, where do you get this from?
not know the difference?  really?
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night
we had a great conversation about some of Milton Friedman’s books
she knew what she was talking about and wasn’t faking her background
she spoke excellent English and German and was learning Dutch
she could quit her job any time she wanted to
no one is beaten or coerced except by their desire to make money
she makes in a bad night what it would take her 2 months of hard work to earn in Ukraine
so she chooses to earn money this way
and doesn’t care what the “Lady’s Home Journal has to say” about it
but of course you guys know nothing about them or me
and just give us your old stuffy sermon filled with nothing but negative stereotypes
based on all the sunday school lessons you internalized
and is nothing but 100% of your own bias

you MAY disagree with what THEY told me
and to me, it doesn’t matter even one little tiny bit if you do...
I think they are able to describe their situation a lot better than you are able to
and you have absolutely not even the slightest clue about them
how they live, do they have boyfriends, do they send money to their parents
how they handle money, where they’ve traveled and all the other things I talked about with them
despite claiming you know all about it...you don’t...
what you’re an expert on is the dominant conformist view of your own repressed sexuality
that’s been around for centuries
ok...

BO, every man or woman who works a job has to put up with some kind of BS
someone put their hands on you?
try being a coal miner
try being a police officer
try picking fruits and vegetables 8 hours a day
or any of 100 other low paying jobs that suck and do it day after day year after year
and see how it compares to someone putting their hands on you

It seems you are the forum expert on all things in the skin trade.

Unless things have changed in Amsterdam red light district in six months Krimster you are a lying sack of shit. For what it is worth M. Friedman is not that well known as an economist out side the United States, he though has a Ukraine connection.

What is troubling is your justification for a man to put there hands on some one, a female without there permission.

Please stop spouting bull shit
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2018, 07:06:31 PM »
I stayed 3 weeks on Leidsekruisstraat probably less than a km or so North from Rijksmuseum
laughed at the hilarious “Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum” sign not far from my apartment

have wife’s permission to head north to above Madame Taussauds
wasn’t satisfied with the window shopping was getting discouraged and tired
when I spotted an interpid looking pedicap driver
I hopped on his rickshaw - we exchanged pleasantries - and some cash
and I found myself at the front door of a non-descript gentleman’s club
where I met a lovely young Ukrainian girl 21 yr old
long brown hair
big lovely dark eyes
size DD

she spoke excellent English and German and Russian of course
she said she was originally from Lugansk but the war separated her family
she fled with her mother first to Zaparhozhia and then to Odessa and then to Amsterdam
but her father at first stayed behind and then moved to Russia and she lost touch with him
we really hit it off, and we decided to get an uber and go to a coffee shop and smoke some hash
I paid her 150 euro an hour and had a great time
and so did she
she was studying economics and lived in a teeny tiny apartment with two cats
we DID talk about Milton Friedman and neo-liberalism and how it led to the “shock doctrine”
I SWEAR TO GOD THAT’S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT!

a beautiful, wholesome, all-natural “tom-boy” with pig-tails 21 yr old

I guess you haters are just gonna have to hate now aren’t ya


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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2018, 07:19:52 PM »
Changing the goal posts. . . .

Your story is perhaps possible, but you have changed the reality from women working behind windows to those employed in/by a club. As I understand there is more protection and freedom for these women. It is possible that she studied M. Friedman in VU.

Curious what does your partner think of your antics & actions?
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2018, 07:52:03 PM »
yeah, the windows did NOT appeal to me at all!!!
even though I’ve been to Amsterdam before this was my first time in this “part of town”
was VERY disappointed until fate seemed to smile upon me and bestow her good fortune
in the form of the humble pedi-cab
so what goes on inside the windows is completely unknown to me personally, it all seemed “off” somehow

the gentleman’s club was a good experience
beautiful old wood and leather, the smell of old books and whiskey
avoiding eye contact
a digital terminal
select your companion
your activities
your time
put in your credit card and then press Enter
have a seat and your drink is delivered
and then she shows up
you can do ANYTHING you want, ANYTHING
stay in a room, go out, or go to her place
spend for an hour, spend for all night
if you buy for all night she’ll even freakin cook you breakfast
but don’t expect anything more than a simple “omelette” and some coffee


drugs?
she showed me how to do this new thing called “dabbing” at a coffeeshop with some stuff called shatter, for me, marijuana back when I was in college was called Columbian
but this stuff is super powerful compared to the marijuana I had in college
this stuff is like some kind of turbo-viagra as well

what does my wife think?
we’ve been married almost 19 yr
my wife has a much lower sex drive than mine
and in order to keep me from having an affair
allows me to “play" as long as I follow a lot of rules
we’ve raised two children together
and have been partners in business and real estate as well
we are both very happy with this arrangement
it works for us, but it works on honesty and trust
it's why I never have to cheat on my wife


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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2018, 09:15:52 PM »
drugs?
she showed me how to do this new thing called “dabbing” at a coffeeshop with some stuff called shatter, for me, marijuana back when I was in college was called Columbian
but this stuff is super powerful compared to the marijuana I had in college

You're showing your age here lol. I don't smoke anymore but did in College and remember this haha.

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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2018, 09:27:31 PM »
surprised at how "sophisticated" everything was
and consumed in a very stylish way
part tea ceremony, part absinthe mixing with all its glassware
you can feel the THC creeping up your synapses

I will really miss Amsterdam



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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2018, 09:29:16 PM »
one Ukrainian working girl I met in Amsterdam was going to college by day to get a degree in economics, while working as a stripper/hostess at night


All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education. Could it be men tip more to girls pursuing admirable goals over girls who pursue drugs?
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2018, 09:36:05 PM »
All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education. Could it be men tip more to girls pursuing admirable goals over girls who pursue drugs?

One reason I never joined the Royal Navy , is I never could understand my fellow 'man's' need to think it appropriate to pay for sex with a totally unknown lady or feel the need to pay to watch a lady remove her clothes - acting..

It's not a sense of 'superiority' ... I just don't GET why fools and their money are so easily parted .. 


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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2018, 11:25:18 PM »
The point was not that someone put his hands on me.  The point is that he, to this day, does not know that it was unwanted.  Just like the prostitutes you speak with.  They are not going to tell a potential client "Actually, I am disgusted at the thought of having some random guy put his hands on me." 

Oh Boe, don't you know that's why you got hired for the job in the first place ;D

It's the influence of western feminism here the 'don't put your hands on me' aggressive attitude.

In reality it is not really all that bad it's just feminist media provoked over sensitivity. It's not always easy to tell someone who is friendly to someone who is attracted, some women come across as very friendly so much so that they look like they are attracted but are not. When someone is drunk it is probably even harder to tell. These days of course if he did that the woman would know she could sue his rich arse for a lot more than her salary and still keep her job or sue their arse as well.

Thing is that the guy normally is expected to be the initiator it is expected by most women. So he has to take a chance or nothing happens, so it's easy to mistake signals when interacting with women, but if he doesn't initiate he does not get the women. That is why you are getting Incels in the west, it's getting too dodgy for men to initiate as they are now living in fear of the consequences. There is literally no other way for a man to initiate. He can ask a girl out first, risk a humiliating knock back in the west but during dating her he is going to have to risk initiating touching/kissing her or it all go south anyway. If she has done hang up about him doing this in the west today it could go badly for him. She may for example just thought she was asking her out as a friend or just agreed to it as he had good contacts etc, etc.

I think there's no way around the unwanted physical actions from others that if we try society gets worse as a result. That the traditional respond is best like they still have in the FSU that it's best to accept that it happens, not put too big a deal on it and move on. Making it out to be worse that what it really is just makes it worse than what it really is.

I've had people touch me that was unwanted/not asked for, not in the upmost inimate way but it still happens. It was not really all that bad though, a little strange but not worth making a fuss over. Incidentally those most likely to not report such incidences are men being touched unwantedly by women since it is regarded as unmanly to do so.
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2018, 01:54:48 AM »
Oh Boe, don't you know that's why you got hired for the job in the first place ;D

It's the influence of western feminism here the 'don't put your hands on me' aggressive attitude.

In reality it is not really all that bad it's just feminist media provoked over sensitivity. It's not always easy to tell someone who is friendly to someone who is attracted, some women come across as very friendly so much so that they look like they are attracted but are not. When someone is drunk it is probably even harder to tell. These days of course if he did that the woman would know she could sue his rich arse for a lot more than her salary and still keep her job or sue their arse as well.

Thing is that the guy normally is expected to be the initiator it is expected by most women. So he has to take a chance or nothing happens, so it's easy to mistake signals when interacting with women, but if he doesn't initiate he does not get the women. That is why you are getting Incels in the west, it's getting too dodgy for men to initiate as they are now living in fear of the consequences. There is literally no other way for a man to initiate. He can ask a girl out first, risk a humiliating knock back in the west but during dating her he is going to have to risk initiating touching/kissing her or it all go south anyway. If she has done hang up about him doing this in the west today it could go badly for him. She may for example just thought she was asking her out as a friend or just agreed to it as he had good contacts etc, etc.

I think there's no way around the unwanted physical actions from others that if we try society gets worse as a result. That the traditional respond is best like they still have in the FSU that it's best to accept that it happens, not put too big a deal on it and move on. Making it out to be worse that what it really is just makes it worse than what it really is.

I've had people touch me that was unwanted/not asked for, not in the upmost inimate way but it still happens. It was not really all that bad though, a little strange but not worth making a fuss over. Incidentally those most likely to not report such incidences are men being touched unwantedly by women since it is regarded as unmanly to do so.
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.

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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2018, 02:29:37 AM »
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.

There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

What I am saying is feminists wish to stop sexual initiation also and that is ridiculous, it is denying human beings from being human beings and turning the world into a cold unfeeling place, an inhuman place where human interaction is boring and sterile.
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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2018, 04:01:00 AM »
There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

What I am saying is feminists wish to stop sexual initiation also and that is ridiculous, it is denying human beings from being human beings and turning the world into a cold unfeeling place, an inhuman place where human interaction is boring and sterile.
Do you have any factual representation to support this assertion or is just another Trenchcoat fail because you have never been able to form normal relationships with women and label your own failures as some sort of feminist action?
 

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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 04:23:54 AM »
"All the guys I know in construction and knew in the Army who frequented strip bars all met strippers who are trying to make money for college. It seems strippers all over the world, not just in Amsterdam, are interested in higher education."

in view of the fact that more women are seeking higher education now than men,
I would be surprised if exotic dancers WERE NOT seeking higher education as well
same as other women in other professions
their young age also makes it more likely they go to school
the women I met were all exceptionally intelligent young women
I'd be surprised if they weren't pursuing an education

not all fit this pattern however,
have seen one who fit the stereotype
but the smart ones are the opposite of this
and know the lifespan of their career will be a couple of years at best
and they're planning on something "for after"

also, the women in a  Gentleman's club who charge 150/200 euros/hr
are not at all what like what you see in USA strip clubs
a level above
wish I could show you a picture
but that's a big "NO, NO"






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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 09:05:41 AM »
Your entire post just shows how non existent your knowledge is of normal human interaction and Male female dynamics.
It also demonstrates how skewed your moral compass is that you mistake sexual assault and aggression for normal dating interaction.
Trench, I worry about you. Did you have a normal childhood? Did you grow up in care?
The attitudes you display here are not normal for a man your age.


Exactly.  Not only that, but I was married, with a wedding band as my sole piece of jewelry.
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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2018, 10:06:07 AM »
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There's a distinct difference between sexual aggression and sexual initiation. If the receipient rebuffs or walks away from the initiator then he or she should not persist if they did then that would be sexual aggression and totally wrong.

Trench, I don't think you understand the difference between sexual initiation and sexual aggression.

Number one, alcohol lowers inhibitions, and the guy was making advances while intoxicated that he likely would not have made while sober.  Simply because he was drunk does not excuse his behavior.

ANY physical advance towards someone else's wife is sexual aggression.
Putting your hands on a girl that you have not asked out is sexual aggression.
Walking up to a girl and grabbing her by the p*ssy is sexual aggression.
Being drunk and getting all handsy with girls is sexual aggression.

When a girl agrees to go on a date with you, she accepts that at some time you will initiate sex or make an advance.
After you are dating, it is ok to give her a kiss.
After you are dating, it is ok to put your hands on her.
After you are dating, it is ok to initiate sex.
If the girl isn't ready and tries to stop you...if you continue that is sexual aggression.

You would be well served to learn the difference between appropriate and inappropriate advances towards girls.

I'll give you a general rule of thumb to follow.  If a girl likes you, she will touch you, even if it is light brushing touches.  If a girl likes you, she will lean towards you when you are talking.  These are some of her "go ahead" signals. 
If a girl does not lean forward towards you when talking, and has not touched you, do not make any advances towards her.  She's not ready or comfortable taking things to a more physical level yet.

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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2018, 10:53:17 AM »
Hey.  I'm getting turned on by all this talk of touching.  Of prostitutes.  Of going off somewhere to smoke drugs.  Of Boe talking about being unwantedly touched.  Of instigating sexual advance and sexual aggression.  Can't wait for the next installment.  What will it be?  Krimster telling about his three-somes in Amsterdam?  Trench telling about touching and kissing.  (There's a visual!)  Bee Farmer hooking up with a virgin?

This Forum is something else!
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2018, 11:11:53 AM »
pity you have nothing to add Jone,
product of a boring life?
do you have no tales to tell
for the simple reason
there are none to tell...

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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2018, 11:16:38 AM »
No tales and no tails.
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« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2018, 12:24:51 PM »
OK BO,

you don’t have to be a mathematician to be able to put 2 + 2 together and arrive at the correct sum

no jewelry, plus ran away from home at age 18 and married the first man you slept with

shall I deconstruct?

lonely girl on wind swept prairie with a population density of 4 goofy farm boys per square mile, combined with one of the worst cases of hormonal teenage acne nature has ever seen which went away right before you left for the Soviet Union when you were just 18 yr old

was the first time an older man ever showed interest in you
and you found yourself desperately wanting his attention

and he looked at you and saw an adorably awkward gangly creature
to him you were the ugly duckling that he hoped would become a swan
and he could tell how much you wanted his attention
so of course he would give it to you
an 18 yr old girl
so young and innocent
like a tasty peach

and of course you consider me the PERVERT
I give your husband major respect
you de man
a Soviet man with an 18 yr old Canadian girl
I coulda double dated with you and BO
and brought my 21 yr old Ukrainian escort
and YOU SIR would've had the younger "woman"

and put that article in your "Ladies Home Journal" December 1959 issue.

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« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2018, 12:48:15 PM »

what does my wife think?
we’ve been married almost 19 yr
my wife has a much lower sex drive than mine
and in order to keep me from having an affair
allows me to “play" as long as I follow a lot of rules



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« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2018, 01:07:30 PM »
like a sovietska knows anything, anything at all about sex
other than what you read about or see in a movie
personal experience, not very much

the central committee allowed you what 2-3 different approved sexual practices
and everything else is considered deviant and criminal?

so suddenly you're now the great expert?
how did that happen?
I'm hoping you will explain your qualifications
level of experience, etc
to be such an expert


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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2018, 01:25:22 PM »
like a sovietska knows anything, anything at all about sex
other than what you read about or see in a movie
personal experience, not very much

the central committee allowed you what 2-3 different approved sexual practices
and everything else is considered deviant and criminal?

so suddenly you're now the great expert?
how did that happen?
I'm hoping you will explain your qualifications
level of experience, etc
to be such an expert


Just feel for your wife  :'(
Be the person that your dog thinks you are

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Re: Sex Tourism and Prostituiton
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2018, 01:33:47 PM »
1.  I wasn't lonely.  I have never been lonely.  Nor have I ever been bored.  Just the way my mind works.

2.  I didn't "run away".  I finished high school at an early age, and had the opportunity to study in Kyiv.

3.  I have never worn a lot of jewelry.  I wear the odd set of pearls, or a gold necklace, but I am not a flashy person, never have been.

4.  I was never gangly.  Not even as a child.

5.  My husband is not an "older" man.  He is close to my age.

6.  I was not seeking attention.  Nor is my husband the type to give attention.  He is a very closed person, because his society made him that way.  If you tell him something, it will die with him.

7.  I was never ugly.  I was never beautiful, beauty is rare, plus I am not tall.  But I was very attractive.  However, it was more my demeanour - my calmness, and in particular, my intellect, that was attractive to my husband.  None of the girls he knew were exactly brain scientists.  I was an intellectual match.

8.  Never said I was 18. :)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2018, 03:53:03 PM by Boethius »
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