Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Immigration and Visas => Topic started by: gaspar227 on January 01, 2018, 09:47:04 PM
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I read some stuff about agencies for visas in the forums. The threads were old so it said make a new one. Seems to me in every country -- including the USA -- you can pay to get what you are looking for.
Like if you want a passport in the USA, you can pay someone to get it for you in 24 hours for $500 bucks. There's ways to do it. Is this likely just a scam or is this worth pursuing.
It also seems like you can pay to NOT get what you are looking for as well. I'm looking here?
http://prosto-visa.com.ua/en/content/how-get-visa-usa-b1-b2-ukraine# (http://prosto-visa.com.ua/en/content/how-get-visa-usa-b1-b2-ukraine#)
Anyone know what these guys are talking about with a 'guaranteed' visa? Regardless I'd be out the $250 visa fee, but it seems like a no-brainer to pay $500 extra for a guarantee.
I gotta think ... and I'm pretty much a pessimist when it comes to integrity most municipal employees (myself included) that someone in there has a way to make sure that the 'right' interviewer is available for the 'right' person. $500 is like a month's wages so even split that's a pretty good haul for these guys if they can pull it off.
Obviously a tourist visa for a visiting woman is the best idea for me. This is not her idea, she knows (supposedly) little to nothing about this sort of thing. She is in Odessa, these guys I found on the internet are in Kiev, we're thinking of running up to Kiev anyway because 9 days in the cold in Odessa may get stale and I want to check it out...yada yada. So it's not like she's saying, i have my visa all i need is $250 and we're good. She wants me to come and help her. I'm doing the footwork here, the USA bullshit laws are not exactly widely known.
Long story short, if she could get a travel visa and come back with me or even a few weeks later, that would be cool and a lot less stressful than the the k1 thing. I'm not sure I could pull off the change of status thing if we wanted, but again worth a shot. worst case, we get the K1 rolling and she goes back, we get approved, but at least I get to spend some quality time with her in her new environment.
Obvi if she goes to the consulate she'd keep me on the DL. I mean I just wonder if these guys would be able to pull it off. If this was Mexico, for instance, I know 90% that this would happen if I gave the right guy $500 bucks and just did what they told me to.
She's got some of the stuff covered for the tourist, she has her own money she has family here in USA (plus and minus i know) she has family there. She could even say she's married if she wanted -- civil marriage or something she said ? idk if that's a thing-- to try and say she's coming back -- but I gotta figure if she has the bank account, and throws down whatever the agency tells her to put for the rest of the documentation, that she's got as good a shot as anyone who's in their late 20s and single without kids in Ukraine. (from the forums this means not a very good shot).
But if they will just float the money back if it doesn't work -- which means they gotta be pretty sure it will or it's a total scam -- then no harm no foul. I mean i understand that it's highly unlikely I get that money back, i'm not stupid, but i also think they will make it happen and not just rip me 100%. Way I look at it, $500 is a pretty good gamble...
So I'm asking you guys how crazy and stupid this idea is. If it's absurd, then yeah $500 buys a helluva weekend in Kiev. Maybe someone knows Ukraine yelp LOL? Some kind of sanity check here. I mean it's too good to be true right?
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No idea on this agency, but there are companies that facilitate tourist VISA's in Ukraine. Many women use them to come visit guys here. We met a woman this December that did just that.
Nothing is guaranteed. If you read carefully they guarantee to help you navigate the process, not secure a VISA.
I have repeatedly said that a VISA to the US or Europe is not as hard as many make it out to be these days. Most of the guys here were looking ten years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in many regards.
If she comes to the US as a tourist it is usually best for her to overstay her VISA and get married. Start the paperwork and get locked down in the US for several years. If she leaves and then you file a K1 it may be denied. This will depend on the State you live in as well though....
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I'm curious about what you say about overstaying and locking down. Is there more information about this somewhere? I am pretty newbie about all of this.
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I'm curious about what you say about overstaying and locking down. Is there more information about this somewhere? I am pretty newbie about all of this.
It's against the law, but what many women/couples do these days. We know quite a few that have done this. The woman arrives on a tourist VISA and does not leave. She overstays her VISA illegally and then looks for a man she likes or has one here already. Since she has overstayed her VISA she cannot leave the country for about 2 years. If she did, they would deny her re-entry. But once married and she gets her green card it is no longer an issue.
This may be changing with the current administration and certain States are more lenient than others with illegals and overstays.
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I have repeatedly said that a VISA to the US or Europe is not as hard as many make it out to be these days.
The UK IS in Europe and your statement is certainly NOT based on fact - given changes ( harder) to the VISA requirements for tourist and spousal visas
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Our recent failed tourist visa attempt, despite her seemingly being a perfect candidate, Can only be explained due to her coming to visit me. I think if you haven't got a strong proven relationship, the chances are slim.
The US could be even more difficult. Her friends husband was supposed to fly to meet his ship in a central american country and then dock in the US. His work visa was rejected, despite working on the ships crew all of his working life for the same international company and visiting the US many times. This is the first time he's been rejected.
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You must distinguish between (at least) three different situations when discussing payment for passport/visa help.
1) This case is merely a speeding up of a process that does not involve a yes/no situation.
i.e. A citizen of a country wants to get a home country passport. There is no question the person will get the passport . . . it is only a question of how soon they can get it. In this case you can pay a fee to those who are in a position to hand deliver your documents to appropriate government agencies, pick back up and express mail to you.
2) Obtaining a visa to enter a country where there has been no problem in citizens from your country getting a visa to enter a second country.
Again here, you are just paying to someone who can speed up the process because they hand deliver documents and get them back to you quickly.
3) Obtaining a visa to enter a country that has been historically difficult for persons of your country to obtain. In this situation there can be documents and info required that many inexperienced people find difficult to obtain, understand, etc. There can also be pitfalls that are easily fallen into by inexperienced persons. For instance, many guys in USA think they can help a FSU gal get a visa to enter USA if they (the guy) prepares letter telling how they will pay for all expenses of the gal, etc. Sounds logical . . . but it will insure that she does NOT get the visa because it is well documented that in many such situations the gal overstays her visa and does not go back to FSU. So here there is some value in paying for the expertise of someone who knows how to navigate to avoid pitfalls, document preparation, etc. Finding such a person, agency is another question altogether.
4) A fourth situation can be paying a bribe to someone in an attempt to get a visa. This could be a bribe to a person who has a personal relationship with an officer at a USA embassy in the foreign country. Or it can be a bribe directly to the officer.
I can't imagine there would be many successes taking this route and would think it would only result in loss of money in most cases, and in some cases criminal charges and permanent barment from USA.
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http://prosto-visa.com.ua/en/content/how-get-visa-usa-b1-b2-ukraine# (http://prosto-visa.com.ua/en/content/how-get-visa-usa-b1-b2-ukraine#)
Anyone know what these guys are talking about with a 'guaranteed' visa?
It says on their services and prices page "100% refund on refusal or preparing for Appeal". If a customer is refused a visa, chances are the company is going to choose appeal instead of refunding the $500 to the customer.
4) A fourth situation can be paying a bribe to someone in an attempt to get a visa. This could be a bribe to a person who has a personal relationship with an officer at a USA embassy in the foreign country. Or it can be a bribe directly to the officer.
I would think an interviewer who'd even consider taking a bribe risking their job and jail time would want more than $500 a bribe. If the State Department found out a ton of people were let into America who don't belong, they're going to come down hard on the violators.
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I would think an interviewer who'd even consider taking a bribe risking their job and jail time would want more than $500 a bribe. If the State Department found out a ton of people were let into America who don't belong, they're going to come down hard on the violators.
Actually there are tons who were let in who don't belong.
Specifically Russian mafia members who have taken control over criminal activities in most major USA cities.
Ochka and I continually question how these people legally got into USA.
It seems almost certain that bribes must have been paid to and accepted by officers working at US Embassy in Moscow.
For the most part they do have valid visas, green cards and even citizenship.
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Actually there are tons who were let in who don't belong.
Specifically Russian mafia members who have taken control over criminal activities in most major USA cities.
Ochka and I continually question how these people legally got into USA.
It seems almost certain that bribes must have been paid to and accepted by officers working at US Embassy in Moscow.
For the most part they do have valid visas, green cards and even citizenship.
I talked to a Mexican guy who says illegals pay $5000 on up to get help to cross the boarder. Some border patrol agents can be bribed. Chinese can pay $50,000. I would think getting help to get into America, the promise land, would cost a lot more than $500 anywhere.
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The UK IS in Europe and your statement is certainly NOT based on fact - given changes ( harder) to the VISA requirements for tourist and spousal visas
I meant the EU with recent VISA free laws for Ukes. No idea on the most recent changes you guys have enacted in the UK, but I personally know many FSUW who visit London without any issues whatsoever. In fact my wife was there 3 days ago.
For every person denied there are many that are approved. We know Ukes that work on ships docked here in Miami. We know girls that are applying for asylum after overstaying tourist VISA's in NYC. We know girls that have married guys after a vacation. Women that fly over to have anchor babies in Miami. Girls that get in via amusement park work permits. It goes on and on.
It is not as hard as everyone is making it out to be. You either screwed up the paperwork, were singled out and unlucky, or overlooked something the others were privy to.
Many women will initially go to Paris. France is easier to get into than other places. That first stamp and return shows they can be trusted. From there it is easier to get in other countries. That is what my wife did for work years ago. Even easier now.
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For every person denied there are many that are approved. We know Ukes that work on ships docked here in Miami. We know girls that are applying for asylum after overstaying tourist VISA's in NYC. We know girls that have married guys after a vacation. Women that fly over to have anchor babies in Miami. Girls that get in via amusement park work permits. It goes on and on.
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Your first sentence is not true. It is just the opposite.
Yes, Ukrainians can work on ships and get entry to USA. Yes they can get summer work visas. Yes they can overstay visas, marry USA guys and get permanent residence. Yes they can have anchor babies in USA.
But this is all AFTER they get tourist visa which is not easy to get and not gotten by majority of Ukrainian applicants.
And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum. There is a list of countries from which people can apply for USA asylum, but Ukraine is not on that list.
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And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum. There is a list of countries from which people can apply for USA asylum, but Ukraine is not on that list.
There is a law firm in NYC that is doing this. I know this as fact.
Let's look at the stats for Schengen VISA's.
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ukrainians-receive-twice-schengen-visa-refusals/
Looks like an overwhelming majority were approved. Less than 10% denied.
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And to Canada, around one third are denied. In other words a majority are allowed to visit.
http://www.unian.info/society/2115406-critically-large-percentage-every-third-ukrainian-denied-canadian-visa.html (http://www.unian.info/society/2115406-critically-large-percentage-every-third-ukrainian-denied-canadian-visa.html)
And for the US it is also 1/3 for Ukes (Only 10% for Russians...)
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY17.pdf (http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY17.pdf)
A majority are approved contrary to what all you guys are saying.
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And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.
Political reasons aren't the only reason one can be approved for asylum. I dated a RW who was a victim of domestic violence back home and she came here on a tourist visa to visit her Russian friends. She apply for asylum and got it because she was scared to go back to an abusive husband. I also dated another FSU woman who was approved for asylum. I don't know how people prove they are a victim of violence but apparently our government must take their word that that has happened to approve them.
http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-asylum-eligibility-and-applications
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And for the UK, an old article but I seriously doubt your idiot border guards have improved much..... LOL
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/warning-over-forgeries-in-thousands-of-successful-ukrainian-visa-applications-to-uk-8984433.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/warning-over-forgeries-in-thousands-of-successful-ukrainian-visa-applications-to-uk-8984433.html)
"Despite this, an application for entry clearance in Ukraine was found to be much less likely to result in a refusal than an application made in Austria or Latvia"
So the UK is letting in Ukes at a higher rate than Austrians.
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And to Canada, around one third are denied. In other words a majority are allowed to visit.
http://www.unian.info/society/2115406-critically-large-percentage-every-third-ukrainian-denied-canadian-visa.html (http://www.unian.info/society/2115406-critically-large-percentage-every-third-ukrainian-denied-canadian-visa.html)
And for the US it is also 1/3 for Ukes (Only 10% for Russians...)
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY17.pdf (http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY17.pdf)
A majority are approved contrary to what all you guys are saying.
In Canada, the majority of Ukrainians coming in are coming for educational purposes, usually with a Canadian sponsor or to visit a relative, also with Canadian sponsorship. Someone coming in alone would be denied a visa.
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In Canada, the majority of Ukrainians coming in are coming for educational purposes, usually with a Canadian sponsor or to visit a relative, also with Canadian sponsorship. Someone coming in alone would be denied a visa.
Looks like you had a loophole for Ukrainians with an IEC work permit as well, but it has been suspended.
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I meant the EU with recent VISA free laws for Ukes. No idea on the most recent changes you guys have enacted in the UK, but I personally know many FSUW who visit London without any issues whatsoever. In fact my wife was there 3 days ago.
I'm referring to single women, unemployed... but as you brought it up.. a Brit seeking to bring in his spouse must prove he can support her AND she must prove she can speak English - before being allowed to settle ..and BOY does the whole process - three stages to citizenship -cost, now
Many women will initially go to Paris. France is easier to get into than other places. That first stamp and return shows they can be trusted. From there it is easier to get in other countries. That is what my wife did for work years ago. Even easier now.
Schengen Visas are MUCH easier to get - particularly to nations desperate for tourism... and then Ukrainians don't even NEED a visa, now
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It seems like we are focusing on the 3rd type of visa, and yes this is what i'm talking about. I completely understand what ya'll are saying about bribes and such, but it's no small thing if you know one person approves 90% of the time vs someone that doesn't approve 90% of the time.
Regarding the guarantee, i'll have her call down there and see what's up with that. We'll also probably go to Kiev and talk to these guys. If it seems like a total scam, i'm out. But if not, then i'm really liking the whole overstay idea. What a crock of shit that they expect you to wait 5-8 months for k1 approval in their home country.
Somebody anecdotally remarked 'are you going to bring her home' is there something in this that I'm missing? Can i bring her back on some sort of a short term visa? I haven't seen this talked about, but in many of the videos on youtube they talk like they will be bringing girls home from the trip as well. Is this old school? Is it part of the k1 that you get some months then they have to return and go back? Seems counter intuitive considering the whole overstay scenario.
I think bribes like this are very easy. A former consulate guy works as the agency head. He starts a business. If you send anyone through a certain line with his name on the thing, they don't get scrutinized as hard. He knows what story to make up on the documentation. Whatever it is there's a secret sauce and they only use it when they get paid that 3X their rate. At the end of the year there's a big party or something and all his old 'friends' get presents.
I mean it's easy to do if you don't give a shit. And honestly, what do they care? If they know we are going get married, in the end it's the same thing regardless of how you do it. It's not like they are letting terrorists in this way. At least, in my experience, this is how many corrupt people think. It's going to happen, why not make a little money anyway.
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Looks like you had a loophole for Ukrainians with an IEC work permit as well, but it has been suspended.
Those were almost all tied to educational institutions, so were covered in my first example. For example, bankers, lawyers, physicians, nurses, have all come from Ukraine to Canada to learn the latest techniques, procedures, etc. They were almost all funded, and the programs established, by the Ukrainian diaspora. The thinking behind this was to develop the skills required to build a functioning democratic society. The problem was, and remains, that those that come here rarely want to go home, and often, will find any way to stay.
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I'm referring to single women, unemployed... but as you brought it up.. a Brit seeking to bring in his spouse must prove he can support her AND she must prove she can speak English - before being allowed to settle ..and BOY does the whole process - three stages to citizenship -cost, now
Read the link I posted down thread a bit. Looks like open doors to London for Ukrainians. :)
Somebody anecdotally remarked 'are you going to bring her home' is there something in this that I'm missing? Can i bring her back on some sort of a short term visa? I haven't seen this talked about, but in many of the videos on youtube they talk like they will be bringing girls home from the trip as well. Is this old school? Is it part of the k1 that you get some months then they have to return and go back? Seems counter intuitive considering the whole overstay scenario.
Do not think they meant on the same trip. K1 is a long process. If going the other route the woman will usually arrive alone or with girlfriends.
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Those were almost all tied to educational institutions, so were covered in my first example. For example, bankers, lawyers, physicians, nurses, have all come from Ukraine to Canada to learn the latest techniques, procedures, etc. They were almost all funded, and the programs established, by the Ukrainian diaspora. The thinking behind this was to develop the skills required to build a functioning democratic society. The problem was, and remains, that those that come here rarely want to go home, and often, will find any way to stay.
Well, the age range was 18-30 if I am not mistaken, so does not sound like many professionals brushing up on skills. I noticed it referenced au pairs. But yes, the site said many will stay after they enter.
edit - looks like 3 different categories. One is professionals. Anyways, it has been suspended so no longer works.
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In Canada, ICE is for ages 18-35. Ukrainians were on that list because of Ukrainian organizations sponsoring them for the training I mentioned.
ICE can be used if you are working as part of a holiday, but Ukrainians didn't qualify for that.
I see lots of Brits and Australians using the ICE programme to fund holidays, as a lot of them work in the mountain parks.
The only people who would hire a Ukrainian au pair would be Ukrainian speakers, and they come through on a different programme, and the Canadians have to prove they can't hire anyone locally.
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It seems like we are focusing on the 3rd type of visa, and yes this is what i'm talking about. I completely understand what ya'll are saying about bribes and such, but it's no small thing if you know one person approves 90% of the time vs someone that doesn't approve 90% of the time.
Regarding the guarantee, i'll have her call down there and see what's up with that. We'll also probably go to Kiev and talk to these guys. If it seems like a total scam, i'm out. But if not, then i'm really liking the whole overstay idea. What a crock of shit that they expect you to wait 5-8 months for k1 approval in their home country.
Somebody anecdotally remarked 'are you going to bring her home' is there something in this that I'm missing? Can i bring her back on some sort of a short term visa? I haven't seen this talked about, but in many of the videos on youtube they talk like they will be bringing girls home from the trip as well. Is this old school? Is it part of the k1 that you get some months then they have to return and go back? Seems counter intuitive considering the whole overstay scenario.
I think bribes like this are very easy. A former consulate guy works as the agency head. He starts a business. If you send anyone through a certain line with his name on the thing, they don't get scrutinized as hard. He knows what story to make up on the documentation. Whatever it is there's a secret sauce and they only use it when they get paid that 3X their rate. At the end of the year there's a big party or something and all his old 'friends' get presents.
I mean it's easy to do if you don't give a shit. And honestly, what do they care? If they know we are going get married, in the end it's the same thing regardless of how you do it. It's not like they are letting terrorists in this way. At least, in my experience, this is how many corrupt people think. It's going to happen, why not make a little money anyway.
If you are referring to Ukrainians who state they can guarantee a visa, I'd be wary. There are lots of cases of visa fraud with promises of visas. Plus, it isn't worth the risk if caught in the U.S.
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Read the link I posted down thread a bit. Looks like open doors to London for Ukrainians. :)
I read the link .. it shows that the UK govt's cutting down on Border Agency staff meant less effective control - it most certainly does not make our Border Control staff ' idiots' - just under-paid, over worked and more open to mistakes.
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What is this talk of visas gaspar? You haven't meet this girl from Odessa yet. Why is there so much 'cart before the horse' around here?
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I meant the EU with recent VISA free laws for Ukes. No idea on the most recent changes you guys have enacted in the UK, but I personally know many FSUW who visit London without any issues whatsoever. In fact my wife was there 3 days ago.
For every person denied there are many that are approved. We know Ukes that work on ships docked here in Miami. We know girls that are applying for asylum after overstaying tourist VISA's in NYC. We know girls that have married guys after a vacation. Women that fly over to have anchor babies in Miami. Girls that get in via amusement park work permits. It goes on and on.
It is not as hard as everyone is making it out to be. You either screwed up the paperwork, were singled out and unlucky, or overlooked something the others were privy to.
Many women will initially go to Paris. France is easier to get into than other places. That first stamp and return shows they can be trusted. From there it is easier to get in other countries. That is what my wife did for work years ago. Even easier now.
And people on here tell me FSW are not trying to get out off their home country on here and use whatever means to do so including getting with WM if only temporary. It could well be that the immigration department has got fed up of all this carry on and is now cracking down on Russian/Ukrainians as they don't want more of this on their doorstep. I think Gaspar's main problem was that he had not met this girl at all and they would have been looking for a solid few months at least on this front. The UK system likewise wants to see similar but my last girl did not understand that a relationship of at best weeks would unlikely be enough and then other financial blocks would exist. She pig headedly would not take it in and refused to accept she would not get one, lol.
UK situation is that we are not a part of Schengen and so the EU deal reached with Ukraine means that it does not apply to us even though we are still at present in the EU.
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And people on here tell me FSW are not trying to get out off their home country on here and use whatever means to do so including getting with WM if only temporary. It could well be that the immigration department has got fed up of all this carry on and is now cracking down on Russian/Ukrainians as they don't want more of this on their doorstep. I think Gaspar's main problem was that he had not met this girl at all and they would have been looking for a solid few months at least on this front. The UK system likewise wants to see similar but my last girl did not understand that a relationship of at best weeks would unlikely be enough and then other financial blocks would exist. She pig headedly would not take it in and refused to accept she would not get one, lol.
UK situation is that we are not a part of Schengen and so the EU deal reached with Ukraine means that it does not apply to us even though we are still at present in the EU.
For as long as I've been 'in the game' the UK has made it nearly impossible for a single unemployed, non-home owning person to come - unless a family member.
IF Ukrainians wanted to get out of Ukraine in the numbers you suggest - we'd be reading about it and moves would be being made to end the 90-day visa free travel
More Trench, BS
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And people on here tell me FSW are not trying to get out off their home country on here and use whatever means to do so including getting with WM if only temporary.
They aren't "using" WM to get out of their home country.
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If the K1 visa process is 5-8 months. And you are even considering this person as a good candidate. it's good to understand the process and timeline so that we are all aligned. This woman, for instance, was told by her 'lawyer' that all we had to do was get married in Odessa and she could come home with me. Unless I'm missing something, this is completely inaccurate. My goal, regardless of the outcome with a particular woman is to see Ukrania, understand what it is, who lives there, what the consulate process is etc so that I KNOW what's going on, not just hear what is going on.
So the visa piece is huge for me to know. If things work out, and I begin the K1 process now, instead of waiting 6 months, then there is less wait overall. If the tourist visa was a viable option, there is NO pressure for marriage and I could spend time with her where I am asking her to move to. So this was the first thing I wanted to explore.
I don't understand why this is cart before the horse. If she could tourist visa for 30-90 days, then it would be more like dating here, which I understand. The K1 process takes forever, so even starting it without fully intending to see it to conclusion would be a good idea if you think there's a possibility. And at the end of it you still get 90 days to live together to find out. Yes, it costs $265 bucks but if you're excited by month 4, and you have another 5-8 months to go to begin the 90 days together instead of 1-4 months...$265 is a small price to pay.
As I understand it, SHE is applying for the visa, not me. So there's really nothing that I have to lose. Maybe she can't apply again for a certain timeframe. But as has been said here many times, these women are not exactly inundated with actual suitors who actually show up and actually get them to the visa point. This woman, in particular, is not exactly chomping at the bit to leave Odessa, but she is willing to move. She would prefer I move there...but unless I have a 100% remote job, this is not practical. So this really doesn't have an effect on her if I pay the fees.
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If the K1 visa process is 5-8 months. And you are even considering this person as a good candidate. it's good to understand the process and timeline so that we are all aligned. This woman, for instance, was told by her 'lawyer' that all we had to do was get married in Odessa and she could come home with me. Unless I'm missing something, this is completely inaccurate. My goal, regardless of the outcome with a particular woman is to see Ukrania, understand what it is, who lives there, what the consulate process is etc so that I KNOW what's going on, not just hear what is going on.
So the visa piece is huge for me to know. If things work out, and I begin the K1 process now, instead of waiting 6 months, then there is less wait overall. If the tourist visa was a viable option, there is NO pressure for marriage and I could spend time with her where I am asking her to move to. So this was the first thing I wanted to explore.
I don't understand why this is cart before the horse. If she could tourist visa for 30-90 days, then it would be more like dating here, which I understand. The K1 process takes forever, so even starting it without fully intending to see it to conclusion would be a good idea if you think there's a possibility. And at the end of it you still get 90 days to live together to find out. Yes, it costs $265 bucks but if you're excited by month 4, and you have another 5-8 months to go to begin the 90 days together instead of 1-4 months...$265 is a small price to pay.
As I understand it, SHE is applying for the visa, not me. So there's really nothing that I have to lose. Maybe she can't apply again for a certain timeframe. But as has been said here many times, these women are not exactly inundated with actual suitors who actually show up and actually get them to the visa point. This woman, in particular, is not exactly chomping at the bit to leave Odessa, but she is willing to move. She would prefer I move there...but unless I have a 100% remote job, this is not practical. So this really doesn't have an effect on her if I pay the fees.
there is a great website/forum where you can learn all about the visa process. Its called Visa journey.
BTW, the K1 visa is applied for by YOU! there will be some info she will have to provide you but ultimately, almost all the paperwork will be filled and submitted by you. Its not a hard process but its not fast either. Go to Visa Journey and they can walk you through the process....
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If the K1 visa process is 5-8 months. This woman, for instance, was told by her 'lawyer' that all we had to do was get married in Odessa and she could come home with me. Unless I'm missing something, this is completely inaccurate.
That is not accurate. You would still need to apply for a family based VISA. And I was under the impression they can take longer than a K1 sometimes. Our K1 took 10 months (One RFE).
http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/family-immigration/immigrant-visa-for-spouse.html (http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/family-immigration/immigrant-visa-for-spouse.html)
The K1 process takes forever, so even starting it without fully intending to see it to conclusion would be a good idea if you think there's a possibility. And at the end of it you still get 90 days to live together to find out. Yes, it costs $265 bucks but if you're excited by month 4, and you have another 5-8 months to go to begin the 90 days together instead of 1-4 months...$265 is a small price to pay.
You can only file for K1 twice in your life in most cases. The costs are much more than $265. Costs add up after she arrives as well. If she is already in the country you do not file a K1. You marry and go straight for green card.
I would look into all the details a bit more, sounds like you have a bunch of misinformation.
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And that 90 days flies by. You should want to marry the woman if you file a K1 imo. It's not enough time to get to know someone.
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hmm...ok. That's fucked up. I see you have to wait 2 years as a petitioner. I get what you are saying. They already thought of this.
Yeah I was mostly hot on the tourist visa idea, but i think that's door is shut down pretty hard right now. She has a blank passport, no real family aside from parents etc. They pretty much know if she gets here, she's staying.
I knew the marriage thing from Odessa was bogus, but that's petitioner thing they probably tell you on the page where you are signing on the dotted line. Thanks man.
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I don't understand why this is cart before the horse.
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Not trying to burst bubbles but seen many newbies come here hot to trot on FSUW and try to figure ways to skip/speed up the process.
Dude, first meet the girl!!!! Meet several girls. See if you like them or they like you. Marriage is a serious process( at least to me it is), why are you in such a hurry????? This journey is NOT for everyone. What is happening now is your ego is getting stroked..... enjoy the moment.
If you want to learn about process just read up on visa journey. You ramble here about so many different situations or something you heard......all to bypass any process.
Just go to Odessa, meet the girl you have interest in and let it flow properly. If you have any questions I can help you with Odessa or I can point you in the right direction. There are others here who can also share their thoughts on Odessa. The center is small and very convenient that is where is will spend 99% of your time.
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ok man. i'll stop rambling. Thanks!
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And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.
:P I never met Russians among my students but many Ukrainians. Guess what? I don't need to ask about their status, it's obvious - asylum. During breaks they talk about how better to milk government getting food stamps and free apartments.... and how to organize their Hawaiian vacations.
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No need to write any advice for TS because he is just the next Trenchcoat :P
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Not trying to burst bubbles but seen many newbies come here hot to trot on FSUW and try to figure ways to skip/speed up the process.
Dude, first meet the girl!!!! Meet several girls. See if you like them or they like you. Marriage is a serious process( at least to me it is), why are you in such a hurry????? This journey is NOT for everyone. What is happening now is your ego is getting stroked..... enjoy the moment.
If you want to learn about process just read up on visa journey. You ramble here about so many different situations or something you heard......all to bypass any process.
Just go to Odessa, meet the girl you have interest in and let it flow properly. If you have any questions I can help you with Odessa or I can point you in the right direction. There are others here who can also share their thoughts on Odessa. The center is small and very convenient that is where is will spend 99% of your time.
Why do I agree with you so often !! ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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:P I never met Russians among my students but many Ukrainians. Guess what? I don't need to ask about their status, it's obvious - asylum. During breaks they talk about how better to milk government getting food stamps and free apartments.... and how to organize their Hawaiian vacations.
Many Russians here on asylum.
http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase-seeking-us-asylum-in-2016/28159435.html (http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase-seeking-us-asylum-in-2016/28159435.html)
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Many Russians here on asylum.
http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase-seeking-us-asylum-in-2016/28159435.html (http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase-seeking-us-asylum-in-2016/28159435.html)
I don't write they aren't exist, but I don't see them in a list here...
http://kuow.org/post/where-seattles-refugees-come-and-other-things-you-should-know
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I don't write they aren't exist, but I don't see them in a list here...
http://kuow.org/post/where-seattles-refugees-come-and-other-things-you-should-know (http://kuow.org/post/where-seattles-refugees-come-and-other-things-you-should-know)
I imagine most are in more desirable cities like NY and Miami.
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What a stupid thread. Typical M.O.B. special.
Let's see - Plan A: a wooden crate should be about $50.00 in Ukraine. Figure $25.00 for straws and a blanket. US supplied MREs, entrusted to Ukraine's new and improved uncorrupted government, got sidetracked on the black market so I reckon a 15-day supply can be had for only about $5.00/EA (total $75.00).
Not sure if DHL/FedEx/UPS or even USPS accept cargo shipment originating from Ukraine, but maybe try Meest ( http://www.meest.us/ ). They might have Valentine's Day Special discount. Shipment usually takes about 10-15 days. Budgeting about $150.00 there.
Approximate total cost is about $300.00. About $35.00 over OP's budget. But hey, no one ever claimed MOB wives are ever a bargain.
The only other option of course is to do Plan B - the legal way, but then who is crazy enough to do that when option A is available. This is after all, the MOB.
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I imagine most are in more desirable cities like NY and Miami.
Anything except your imagination?
http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/where-have-refugees-settled-in-the-u-s/
Choose 2017.
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Anything except your imagination?
http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/where-have-refugees-settled-in-the-u-s/ (http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/where-have-refugees-settled-in-the-u-s/)
Choose 2017.
I see nothing there for gay Russians. Not that difficult to understand that most gay men would prefer to live in Cali, South Florida or NYC....
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And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum. There is a list of countries from which people can apply for USA asylum, but Ukraine is not on that list.
I must admit that I was wrong in my above statement.
My first mistake was to use the word asylum when I meant to use the word refugee.
My second mistake was to go by past knowledge and not update my knowledge.
I checked out refugee requirements back in 2010 or so; and at that time there was a list of countries eligible for refugee status in USA. Ukraine was not on that list.
However, it appears that since Russian invasion starting in 2014, Ukraine has been added to the list . . . however I cannot locate any such list.
Further I had earlier understood that only citizens from countries involved in a declared war (not an undeclared war) could be eligible for refugee status.
Upon checking now, I find that Refugees are those outside USA who wish to enter USA. Asylum seekers are already inside USA and want to stay.
For Asylum, the applicant must claim and prove (to satisfaction of USA representative) that they suffer in their home country based on:
Religion
Race
Nationality
Political Opinion
Membership in a particular social group
Torture Convention . . . I didn't know they tortured at some Conventions !!
I understand that many Ukrainians came to USA back during Soviet times and somewhat later claiming Religious persecution. Jewish and Baptist types I think.
But I find it hard to believe that many can currently successfully claim that they suffer from Religious persecution in Ukraine now, or really even since collapse of Soviet Union.
And I find it hard to believe that many (or even any) Ukrainians could successfully claim they suffer from any of the other categories.
I do not dispute that Ukrainians have recently come to USA under refugee status and others have stayed under asylum status.
But I don't understand how they have met the criteria.
Even in an undeclared war, they can move to Western Ukraine.
I do not believe Ukrainians suffer from any of the 6 qualifiers.
An exception would be the torture suffered in Eastern Ukraine, but again that can be resolved by moving to Western Ukraine.
I would be interested in hearing from those truly knowledgeable regarding what criteria is accepted now for those from Ukraine seeking refugee or asylum status.
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Jews were allowed to emigrate to Israel starting in the late 1970's. Most did not emigrate to Israel, but to Western countries. Edgar Bronfman was instrumental in getting the USSR to allow Jews to emigrate, and the "official" position was they were emigrating to their homeland.
Baptists were not allowed to emigrate until the late 1980's, and even then, only in very small numbers.
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My wife knows women and men that have applied to asylum once they are already in the US. They arrive on tourist VISA's and then apply for asylum. All the cases my wife is aware of seem to be up in NYC. It requires a law firm that specializes in this. I asked my wife for more details and on which grounds they are accepted but she does not know. We know a woman that tried it in Miami and was denied. She wound up marrying someone here.
If gay from Russia like my link above says you can apply. Not sure the gay excuse even works for Ukrainians? I imagine those in the media in Russia would be given asylum here? Seems they have a high accident rate in Russia.
Looks like religion may still be a viable option in Ukraine. I assume the Jewish community has resources to help those seeking asylum here.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-hurricane-were-ignoring-Ukrainian-Jews-in-crisis-514564 (http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-hurricane-were-ignoring-Ukrainian-Jews-in-crisis-514564)
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Looks like you can apply if you are gay or a Tatar from Ukraine.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-apply-asylum-the-us-if-im-from-ukraine.html (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-apply-asylum-the-us-if-im-from-ukraine.html)
edit - I was thinking of tartar sauce on my fish and chips for dinner.
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:P I never met Russians among my students but many Ukrainians. Guess what? I don't need to ask about their status, it's obvious - asylum. During breaks they talk about how better to milk government getting food stamps and free apartments.... and how to organize their Hawaiian vacations.
There's a distinct difference between asylum v refugees. The last large flux of refugees, prior to present time, happened at the last years of president Reagan during the fall of USSR. Urkainians, Belarussians, Russians, Armenians, etc...
Yes, I also agree with you, and know who people who came from that program are still on the government dole (i.e taxpayers'). They know all the tricks and trades in how to continue getting their government provisions.
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Well, sounds like they are still letting them in as refugees. Interesting article about Ukrainians having an edge for refugee status under religion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html)
30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.
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There's a distinct difference between asylum v refugees. The last large flux of refugees, prior to present time, happened at the last years of president Reagan during the fall of USSR. Urkainians, Belarussians, Russians, Armenians, etc...
Almost all of those refugees were Soviet Jews, or their non Jewish family members. They started emigrating in the mid 1970’s.
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Well, sounds like they are still letting them in as refugees. Interesting article about Ukrainians having an edge for refugee status under religion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html)
30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.
WOW, I was even more wrong than I thought.
Thanks Alex for enlightening me.
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Yes, I also agree with you, and know who people who came from that program are still on the government dole (i.e taxpayers'). They know all the tricks and trades in how to continue getting their government provisions.
My oldest sister and her 3 daughters and the two generations after them (They have children when in their mid-teens) are all on the dole. It irritates the hell out of me on all the hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of taxpayer dollars they have gotten over the past 40 years. One of the irritants is a government paid for education that is never completed or used. Or they are in and out of each others pockets. All the stupid things they do like working a part time government job and not informing SSI (Social Security for those who can't work) then getting caught having their monthly benefits cut until they pay back Social Security. While my mother was alive they mooched off of her. Took by "borrowing" every dollar she made from her seamstress business. Here is a 80 year old woman working hard providing a service and along comes her granddaughters to take practically every dollar she made. My mother was too softhearted to say, "No." Then the worst part is they have illegal aliens and gangbangers boyfriends. Good luck on collecting child support from them! One of them tried. He was either a Vice Lord or Gangsta Disciple. She had to flee to some small town in North Eastern Wisconsin where there was a shelter waiting for her and her 3 children. They breed young. I am 64 years old and I have great grand nieces and nephews. How many generations is that? The big problem is not requiring these people to work.
Yet, these are the kindest people in my family.
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I read some stuff about agencies for visas in the forums. The threads were old so it said make a new one. Seems to me in every country -- including the USA -- you can pay to get what you are looking for.
Ages ago when I was going to Russia I needed a invitation letter and send my passport the Russian embassy in the US. I think Seattle WA. There was a fee for extra fast service. For an invitation letter there was a site called GotoRussia that made everything easy for a fairly low price. I just checked and I see this.
http://www.gotorussia.com
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Ages ago when I was going to Russia I needed a invitation letter and send my passport the Russian embassy in the US. I think Seattle WA. There was a fee for extra fast service. For an invitation letter there was a site called GotoRussia that made everything easy for a fairly low price. I just checked and I see this.
http://www.gotorussia.com (http://www.gotorussia.com)
Max, you do know the OP was asking about ways to get a visa for girl to come to USA?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html)
30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.
Article says 100,000 Ukrainians living in or near where I live. I've seen that number before. It's amazing how many people find God when a visa is involved.
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I must admit that I was wrong in my above statement.
My first mistake was to use the word asylum when I meant to use the word refugee.
My second mistake was to go by past knowledge and not update my knowledge.
Your THIRD mistake was the double negative (And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.) ;D.
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Your THIRD mistake was the double negative (And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.) ;D.
No, Sandro - he was actually correct, but forgot the punctuation (unusual for ML).
It should read:
And NO - Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.
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Anyone specifically know what all this moral turpitude business is with US visa and the Ukrainian petitioner. I understand something like murder.
What about something like distribution of pornography (someone found naked pictures) and theft (the person who put the pictures on the internet -- distributed) somehow had their computer lifted and then thrown out a window.
Overall this seems pretty minor. Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now -- I'm getting the official report to see how it reads.
I'm pretty sure if I had something on my record like this, if it wasn't child porn, i'd be fine as petitioner. At least that's how I read the rules. Just wondering how this works in FSU. It all stinks of bullshit to me, but only have the one perspective.
And please, lets not focus on 'there's 1000 women' or 'cart before the horse' I'm asking for real help here and trying not to ramble. The charges themselves make no difference to me either way. I could care less. I have my trip booked for Feb 11, so I'd like to know if there's something I should do when I'm there assuming things go well.
If this means I need to do a petition for reunification (marry before moving) or fiance that's a big deal. If it's just a blip and an extra couple months clarification on the I-129F then that's fine.
thanks for the help.
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No, Sandro - he was actually correct, but forgot the punctuation (unusual for ML).
It should read:
And NO - Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.
Thanks Kiwi. I was about to say the same as a response to Sandro, but then saw that you had already done it.
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Anyone specifically know what all this moral turpitude business is with US visa and the Ukrainian petitioner. I understand something like murder.
What about something like distribution of pornography (someone found naked pictures) and theft (the person who put the pictures on the internet -- distributed) somehow had their computer lifted and then thrown out a window.
Overall this seems pretty minor. Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now -- I'm getting the official report to see how it reads.
Theft is a crime of moral turpitude. The American is the petitioner. It could cause an issue, but does not seem major.
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And please, lets not focus on 'there's 1000 women' or 'cart before the horse' I'm asking for real help here and trying not to ramble.
Не знаєш броду, не лізь воду.
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Max, you do know the OP was asking about ways to get a visa for girl to come to USA?
Through the Mexican border ;D I remember one story from the other forum - the bride spent a couple of days in a prison, but ... happy end...
One Ukrainian couple from my students used the same way. No matter, the wife and 2 kids spent a week in immigration prison, they were lucky - it was just a week, they were not separated and not killed. Now everything is fine, the family gets food stamps and subsidized housing, husband works for cash... looks enough money to pay for Disneyland for holidays...
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Theft is a crime of moral turpitude. The American is the petitioner. It could cause an issue, but does not seem major.
The american does not have the charges. The Ukrainian does. Theft was not listed as an example so much as Robbery.
I hope it's not a big deal. I have a DUI from like 10 years ago, but other than that I"m clean. The way she tells the story some chick she new as a hater and threw some pictures up on the internet. She grabbed the computer or something. I don't know exactly. This gets into a nuance of language that is beyond our skills .
She's also not been convicted, so hopefully this has not hit the record yet? Any advice is appreciated besides vague Russian warnings about crossing fords or something. Not very helpful.
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It’s not Russian and not about fjords. Google won’t translate it for you. It’s about not understanding what you’re wading into.
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It’s not Russian and not about fjords. Google won’t translate it for you. It’s about not understanding what you’re wading into.
Don't know how to cross the river, don't get in the water. Or something close to this.
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The american does not have the charges. The Ukrainian does. Theft was not listed as an example so much as Robbery.
She's also not been convicted, so hopefully this has not hit the record yet? Any advice is appreciated besides vague Russian warnings about crossing fords or something. Not very helpful.
Medical and police records are not accounted for very well in Ukraine. Even if found nothing a few bucks to the locals wont solve.
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Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now --
Missed this. I think they only pull the police record 3 years back so may not matter.
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yeah, not a lot of responses, so it's a dodgy subject I guess. i was thinking the same thing alex. We'll see. She's supposed to get the police report back next week. I did some marginal searching on the pornography thing and basically it's like a blanket crappy unenforceable yet very convenient way for them to mess with you. They got headlines for it's vagueness. it's basically just a morality rule made to fine people if they want to fine them.
Story is something like her (ex) friend got mad because of a boy and knew someone at the police, they picked her up, tried to scare her, put her in overnight then let her go. The charges are because of some naked pictures they found on her computer that this chick distributed via facebook or something. I mean if it was USA, not even a charge here.
The other thing is not really theft, just some guy said she took her laptop home from work and never gave it back. But he's shady. Who knows, but I don't think anything will come of it.
She's basically saying that there are 2 police reports attached to her, but there's no convictions or anything. I'll see what comes out of the official police report, but it's good for a year so if she's clean I have to think she's probably fine. Or maybe a few bucks when I visit if this is something I'm going to pursue. It's just very scary for her because the wording is so vague.
Thanks for help!
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I know for a fact you can pay off the local hospital and police departments in Ukraine. It has been done.
I think there are anti porn laws in Ukraine. Not very versed on that though.
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K1 process is not bad. Fee is $535.
There are plenty of places in Kyiv that will help you get a visa though (tourist visa to USA). They provide the girl with fake documents, bank statements and housing related, so they will get approved. They know that gets approved and what doesn't and tells the people what to say. This is not 10-yr deal though so the place you mention is probably not legit.
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I'm curious about what you say about overstaying and locking down. Is there more information about this somewhere? I am pretty newbie about all of this.
it's much easier to apply for a K1 visa than to spoil the story. K1 takes time, but works reliably
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thank you very much, for the tip, i hope that theres many of those preliminary programs that sponsor the H1B visa.
and for other doctors reading this, if you know more please elaborate.
Many thanx
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the evaluation of her police report is based on arrests and not convictions and NOT whatever "spin" she creates about it
HIGHLY unusual for a UW to have two "incidents" on her report or even one
this is a BIG red flag
entirely possible she won't be approved, to be certain I'd have to see EXACTLY what's on the report AND NOT HER SPIN
(this is something you'd be advised to do, get the report, translate it and evaluate it for yourself)
BTW, knowing absolutely ZERO about her, I can EASILY poke holes in her story
but of course, you're positive she's not lying, right?
if she applies and is turned down, that's the end for her coming to the USA
if you really want to proceed with this, then check with this woman to see if she has a "militsa" or SBU connection
if not then you have to have a hire a "connected" private investigator to be the middleman to bribe one or the other to give you a clean report
when I lived in Ukraine over 10 yr ago, I had an SBU connection from whom I could buy anyone's "full jacket" which has EVERYTHING for $50
the first one I bought was my own to see what the Ukrainian government knew about me, I was very surprised about the details
I used this to screen employees and business partners
essential for doing business in Ukraine
just from what you disclosed here, if I were evaluating her for employment at my past company in Ukraine
I would have turned her down
think about what I'm telling you...