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« Reply #825 on: June 01, 2015, 11:53:56 PM »
The US has been very circumspect in releasing what it knows.Most probably because of all the potential issues involved that would back Russia into a corner-perhaps this announcement is signalling  a changing of US approach.

I am in no doubt the US could have accurately pointed to the exact circumstances immediately but chose to allow the other proofs to be made-- which  shows anyone with half a brain can see who is culpable.

Obama declared his readiness to assist in the investigation of the crash MH17

Washington ready to assist in the investigation of the causes of the disaster liner Malaysian Airlines, shot down in eastern Ukraine in the summer of 2014, US President Barack Obama.

"I pledge the full support of the Netherlands from the United States. There will never be forgiveness for those who shot down the plane over Ukraine," - Obama said, taking in the Oval Office of the White House the Dutch royal couple, reports Interfax-Ukraine with reference to the Dutch broadcasting company NOS.


In addition, the US president thanked the Dutch side for the way in which it is investigating the crash flight MN17.

http://nv.ua/world/countries/obama-zayavil-o-gotovnosti-pomogat-v-rassledovanii-krusheniya-mn17-51433.html


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« Reply #826 on: June 02, 2015, 10:30:13 PM »


very interesting read here below

has all the same hallmarks as the narrative on crimea and east ukraine

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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/czech-slovak-officials-angered-by-russian-documentary-on-1968-invasion/522936.html

Czech and Slovak officials have voiced anger over the way Russian state television depicted the 1968 Moscow-led invasion of Czechoslovakia in a recent documentary film.

In early 1968, Prague spearheaded liberal reforms in then-Soviet dominated Czechoslovakia. Within months, the Soviet Union invaded the country alongside Warsaw Pact members Poland, Bulgaria, East Germany and Hungary, ultimately stifling the reforms widely referred to as the Prague Spring. The occupation lasted until 1989, when the Velvet Revolution brought about the end of Communist rule in the country.

In the film "The Warsaw Pact — Unclassified Pages," which aired May 23 on Rossia-1, the invasion was portrayed as a defensive maneuver, carried out to stave off an invasion being plotted by NATO countries.

"The historical narrative of an alleged peaceful civil uprising with a romantic name, the Prague Spring … has been undermined by those that lived through these events," the film's narrator said.

State Duma Deputy Yury Sinelshchikov, who served in one of the military groups that participated in the Warsaw Pact operation in Prague, featured prominently in the documentary. In an interview filmed in Prague, he attested to the theory that the popular historic interpretation of the invasion — that it was carried out in a bid to quash the Czechoslovakian liberalization policies — was incorrect.
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« Reply #827 on: June 03, 2015, 11:28:40 AM »
It would appear that the new offensive has begun with heavy fighting all along the DNR front, as well as a push towards Mariupol.

When the DNR was queried, they said that Ukrainian forces were not fighting.  Instead they were simply leaving the area and the DNR was moving forward to occupy that which Ukrainian forces left.

The Ukrainians claim that over 1000 Russians are fighting them in the area of Mariinka, along with a great number of Russian tanks.
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« Reply #828 on: June 03, 2015, 06:27:24 PM »
It would appear that the new offensive has begun with heavy fighting all along the DNR front, as well as a push towards Mariupol.

When the DNR was queried, they said that Ukrainian forces were not fighting.  Instead they were simply leaving the area and the DNR was moving forward to occupy that which Ukrainian forces left.

I thought that was not allowed under Minsk 2?  Aren't ALL forces restricted to the areas they occupied prior to a certain date?

The Ukrainians claim that over 1000 Russians are fighting them in the area of Mariinka, along with a great number of Russian tanks.

Any independent observations of this?

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« Reply #829 on: June 03, 2015, 08:03:34 PM »
Here is one of the sites that query when I think something's going on.  It puts up the posts from the various social websites and official news blurbs.

http://liveuamap.com/

Check it out and see if you think that the DNR offensive has begun.  Normally there are about five or six of the red balls indicating activity on the map.
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« Reply #830 on: June 03, 2015, 08:42:15 PM »
I thought that was not allowed under Minsk 2?  Aren't ALL forces restricted to the areas they occupied prior to a certain date?

Any independent observations of this?
Minsk is dead.
The attacks are widespread-and it looks like there is a pattern that equals planning.
Quite a lot of Ukrainian casualties
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« Reply #832 on: June 04, 2015, 03:18:16 AM »

Significent attempt to take ground from Ukrainians yesterday failed.

Can Anyone Stop Putin’s New Blitz?

On Wednesday, Ukrainians awoke to the all-too-predictable news that Moscow-backed separatists—a contingent that consists of quite a lot of Moscow-dispatched Russian soldiers—launched a fresh, multi-pronged assault on Ukrainian-held territory.  The primary targets lie west of a line of the demarcation meant to keep a cease-fire that was over before the ink had dried on the so-called “Minsk II” accords.

“Although we’re still assessing details, this is clearly a major, multi-front escalation that reflects continued non-compliance with Minsk by the combined Russian-separatist forces,” a senior Western diplomat told The Daily Beast.  When asked if this was the start of a big Russian push for more terrain in the Donbas—the name for the regions encompassing Donetsk and Lugansk—one European leader replied: “Sure looks like it.”

So here’s what we know. The two main towns hit today were Marinka and Krasnogorovka, both not far from the major industrial city of Donetsk. The nearest separatist lines to these targets are the Petrovsky district of the city to the east, Aleksandrovka to the south-east and Novomikhailkovka to the north-east. Video footage, purportedly shot in Petrovsky today, clearly recorded the sounds of outbound artillery fire, with the attendant description of the footage claiming that the separatists were firing from positions in the immediate vicinity of residential high-rises. (Of course, firing from civilian areas doesn’t just violate Minsk II, but the Geneva Conventions.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/03/can-anyone-stop-putin-s-new-blitz.html
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« Reply #833 on: June 07, 2015, 05:16:06 AM »

The western media continues to pick up on themes we have been commenting on for well over a year. The current G7 meeting has Ukraine high on agenda-- and what to do about Russia.

Failing to confront Putin’s lies about Ukraine only encourages him to do worse

June 06, 2015 3:00 am  •  Trudy Rubin/The Philadelphia Inquirer8
“I can tell you outright and unequivocally that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine,” Russian President Vladimir Putin told a live TV audience in April.

He was flat-out lying. Moscow has armed and directed the so-called “rebel forces” in eastern Ukraine and bolstered them with its own troops. Thousands of Russian troops are massing on Ukraine’s eastern border, possibly poised for a further invasion.

Yet Western leaders still won’t publicly challenge Putin’s lies.

“If you don’t call it by what it is, there is less pressure to confront the real issues,” John Herbst, the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, told me this week.

Indeed, European leaders still hope that Russia will finally abide by a ceasefire signed in February in Minsk, Belarus, which called for the removal of foreign troops from Ukraine, the pulling back of heavy weapons, and the disbanding of “illegal groups.” So far the accord has failed miserably. Why should anyone be surprised? Russia denies it sent troops or weapons into Ukraine or created the illegal groups that began the war.

The White House denounces Russian aggression in Ukraine — Vice President Biden declared last week that the conflict is “a test for the West.” Yet President Barack Obama apparently still (fruitlessly) hopes for greater Russian cooperation on Iran or Syria, and shows little stomach for challenging Putin’s aggression in Ukraine.

Obama sent Secretary of State John Kerry to meet Putin in Sochi last month, where Kerry reportedly showed him photos of Russian air defenses and other weapons in eastern Ukraine as proof the United States knew what he was up to. But Kerry didn’t make the photos public, and Russian officials dismissed the NATO evidence as misinformation. No surprise: The state-controlled press billed the Kerry visit as a capitulation.

Clearly, the Kremlin feels it can continue to destabilize Ukraine — and to deny that it is directing the war there. By refusing to confront those lies more directly, the West plays into the Kremlin’s hands.

http://fremonttribune.com/news/opinion/columnists/failing-to-confront-putin-s-lies-about-ukraine-only-encourages/article_db3a92e0-a23c-5e25-bf51-defc7c884e87.html
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« Reply #834 on: June 11, 2015, 07:50:49 PM »

good article below ,

however  im still trying to figure out what this guys game is 
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Ex-terrorist leader: only an idiot will deny that “republics” in Donbas are a Kremlin

Igor Girkin, ex-minister of defense of the so-called “Donetsk People’s Republic” has once again publicly contradicted Russia’s official denials of its involvement in the war in Ukraine. Answering a question about Russian volunteers coming to fight to Ukraine’s war-torn eastern regions at the Polit-Ring show on Neuromir TV on May 12, the former terrorist leader commonly known as “Strelkov” stated that, increasingly, the Russian volunteers that come to Donbas to defend the “Russian world” that is attempted to be instated in the Luhansk and Donetsk “People’s Republics” (“LNR” and “DNR”) return to Russia in disappointment.
 

“They see the chaos that is going on there. And the chaos is quite terrible. They [the militants] come there being motivated, understanding that they were going to defend the ‘Russian world,’ but now are forced to defend regimes that were planted with the Kremlin’s support. It is useless and foolish to deny this. To think that they [the separatist “republics”] formed by themselves means making an idiot or a fool out of oneself,”
 
Girkin commented, noting that only a small fraction of the Russians coming to fight in Donbas are wounded or captured in battle: most leave Donbas, disenchanted with the chaos and lawlessness, which he calls “Makhnovschina,” referring to the times of the anarchist leader Nestor Makhno whose Black Army fought to create a stateless anarchic society in eastern Ukraine during 1918-1921. He notes that while the terrorist republics, in particular, the “DNR,” have tried to combat this anarchic “Makhnovschina,” some armed formations wreaking havoc in Donbas are endorsed by the authorities and cause more mayhem than the informal ones, and that the authorities don’t even try to address this problem and are an “imitation” and “simulacra.”
 
In the interview, Girkin also states that Ukraine is ahead of the separatists in creating an efficient army. “In a year or maybe less they will be able to fight against Russia. Because it will be a large army. Yes, it will be loose and poorly instructed, but it will be a real large army with combat experience,” he said. Girkin also noted that though the Ukrainian soldiers can be called “undisciplined drunkards,” the “militia” of the self-proclaimed republics is doing the same. “Everyone is drunk, a huge development of drug addiction – it’s true,” he stated.
 
Girkin goes as far as to commend the Ukrainian government in their recent war-related initiatives:
 

“Ukraine is creating necessary tools. I understand that there a draft bill adopted on introducing martial law [Girkin is referring to the bill on the legal regime of martial law signed by Ukrainian President Poroshenko on June 9]. This will allow them in the event of the exacerbation of the situation to use the army lawfully, to introduce martial proceedings, to carry out confiscations under the law, and not according to what every commander on the site imagines doing, to carry out mobilization and introduce compulsory labor. There is nothing close to this in the “LNR” and “DNR.” Ukraine is consistent, it creates tools for conducting full-scale war, an army, it has created an anti-Russian ideology and is consistently implementing what its leaders say. And for us, it’s the usual business: we say one thing, do another, while wanting yet something else. So we end up with something strange… if we end up with anything at all.”
 
After fleeing to Russia in August 2014 together with other terrorist leaders of the self-proclaimed “republics,” Igor Girkin has given a series of interviews contradicting the official Russian version of events in Donbas. He has slammed the leadership of the self-proclaimed “republics” in Donbas, declared that the Crimean referendum is a farce, admitted to starting the war in Donbas, stated that Putin might end up in the Hague.
 
Girkins claims about volunteers becoming disenchanted with reality in Donbas coincides with a recent study of Russian social media groups showing Russians are increasingly losing interest in joining the Russian pro-separatist militia in Donbas.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/10/ex-terrorist-leader-only-an-idiot-will-deny-that-the-republics-in-donbas-are-a-kremlin-creation/
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« Reply #835 on: June 13, 2015, 01:34:08 PM »
OSCE report on fighting near Mariinka, demonstrating yet again who the real Nazis are. 


Unfortunately, useful idiots and conspiracy theorists will dismiss the report.



http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/162116
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« Reply #836 on: June 14, 2015, 11:34:26 PM »
Still more information coming on who the invaders are--


Captured Russian mercenary with a tattoo in the form of a swastika

June 13 fighters 8th individual company "Aratta" Duk "Right Sector" took captive thriller "DNR" near Shyrokynoho. His name Tolstokorov Roman A. He was a citizen of the Russian Federation , a native of the city Zelenokumsk Stavropol Territory. Action said that he left the location "DNR" and moved to the Ukrainian side Shyrokynoho after he was beaten by the same mercenaries through it in the form of a swastika tattoo. Tolstokorov says this tattoo - a consequence of his criminal record, he made him in prison when serving his sentence.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ato/biyci-pravogo-sektoru-zahopili-v-polon-rosiyskogo-naymancya-z-tatuyuvannyam-u-viglyadi-svastiki-438921.html



httpsPublished on 14 Jun 2015
June 13, 2015 soldiers of the 8th separate company "Aratta" Duk "Right Sector" during a combat mission captured militants, a citizen of. His name Tolstokorov Roman A., born in 1982, born in Zelenokumsk Stavropol Territory. Below - exclusive video frank conversation with prisoners. Usually captive people say the truth instead of what they want to hear. But that impressed me the person who speaks frankly and without coercion. Who is he, like what was on the Ukrainian land with arms and both eventually was captured, he will tell himself. I want to draw the attention of viewers, listeners on two things. Asked idea profess those warring DNRivtsi, which can be called ideological, captive said: "THEY uverenы, and something so dolzhna be. What Vova Putin himself all otberet Ukraine". That is - there's no "autonomy", "fighting for the rights of Russian speakers' or rejection" fascist coup in Kiev. " Honestly and openly admit that this is not "dissent" or something similar, but of occupation and collaboration. The second point - Prisoner says what, in his opinion, is a mistake of those who supported the NPT. He believes that it all comes down to what they would like to live material ("as in"), but not considered that, although in larger salaries but also costs more, because people are living there and the same. As see - again, no idea. In one - a frank desire to occupy our country, using the most duryachy and poor segments of our population. Remember that. And fight for our country to victory. PS When I turned off the camera and said goodbye to him, he once bit awkward asked: "How think me back to Russia soshlyut not?"://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WCNzHY4-rw
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« Reply #837 on: June 15, 2015, 06:53:55 AM »
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« Reply #838 on: June 16, 2015, 10:23:46 PM »

as time goes by more info leaks out .
this scenario below if true would fit the model required to do the job by russian forces in ukraine
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ukraine gets hold of russian plan for large scale invasion of ukraine .

Specialists from the group “Mirotvorets” acquired documents from the Russian General Staff that confirm Russia’s intentions to invade and occupy the Ukrainian territories east of the Dnipro river.
 
The General Staff of the western military district already agreed on the plan at the beginning of April in Petersburg – and wanted it to be carried out in spring/early summer 2015. It foresees to skirt big cities, and to cut communication lines and destroy infrastructure within 15 days. Such an operation would be carried out by battalion tactical groups (BTG) of the Russian regular army – as Dmytro Tymchuk (Information Resistance) also has repeatedly underlined in his military updates.
 
The invasion would be backed by massacres of civilians – in order to blame the Ukrainian army and justify the advance – and be again disguised as an “DNR/LNR”-operation. It would be split into two parts: first an attack of the Kharkiv/Donetsk oblasts, then of Poltava, Kyiv and Chernihiv. The increasing activities of (Belo) Russian military on the border with Ukraine support those intentions (see the most recent military exercises).
 
The Russian southern military district for its part worked out a plan to attack Zaporizhzhiya and Melitopol in order to open up a corridor to Crimea.
 
We can assume there are similar plans with Transnistria, according to recent Russian propaganda and military activities in the region.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/17/ukraine-gets-hold-of-russian-plan-for-large-scale-invasion/
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« Reply #839 on: June 16, 2015, 11:37:22 PM »
One of the problems faced in assessing the merit of any story is the credibility of the source. We have seen many untrue stories planted  for western media to pick up on-- the saving grace is that eventually the media has got smarter in what it writes -- and repeats .

Here is Moscow rebuttal of the story above.



Moscow reacted to the words on the plan Gerashchenko capture Ukraine

The Russian Defense Ministry called the "plan of the General Staff of the Russian Federation to seize the Left-Bank Ukraine" , which was previously published adviser to Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko fake.

The journalists said the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov, the "RIA Novosti".

"It makes no sense to go into the details of this fake. We have repeatedly said that the purpose of such stuffing does not convey the truth, and to start the next tantrum in the Western media on the eve of the upcoming EU summit," - said Konashenkov.

"I can not imagine that these fantasies, entitled as" the work plans of the General Staff of the Russian Federation to seize the Left-Bank Ukraine ", painted in the Ukrainian General Staff. The fact that there are no specialists of this level, it is known to all, even to leaders of Ukrainian" destroyer battalions "fighting for his leadership during the civil conflict in the south-east. They just about anyone not complain publicly, from the supreme commander of Poroshenko to the House of Representatives of the US Congress, "- said the representative of the Russian Defence Ministry.

http://apostrophe.com.ua/news/society/accidents/2015-06-16/v-moskve-otreagirovali-na-slova-geraschenko-otnositelno-plana-zahvata-ukrainyi/27084
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« Reply #840 on: June 16, 2015, 11:43:00 PM »
More on this specific concept.


Capture of Ukraine by Russian troops: how big a risk


Experts commenting on the published plan big offensive of the Russian army
  Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 20:33
 Experts believe it unlikely a large-scale military offensive on the part of Russia

People's deputy of the faction "People's Front" Anton Gerashchenko published documents allegedly showing that Russia has prepared a large-scale offensive, disguised as militants attack LC / DNI. According to the plan drawn up in April, during the 15 days planned to seize Kharkov, Donetsk, Poltava, Kiev and Chernihiv region. Mr. Gerashchenko did not delve into the possibility of implementing such plans, noting that it depends on the readiness of Ukraine and neighboring countries to resist aggression Putin. Meanwhile, respondents "Apostrophes", experts believe that the alleged large-scale attack Russia Ukraine is extremely unlikely.

For information about that in Russia we have developed a plan of large-scale offensive against the Ukraine on its Facebook page published the MP from the faction "People's Front", the Secretary of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Legislative Support of Law Enforcement, an informal adviser to Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko. With reference to the "secret documents", developed in the headquarters of the Western Military District of the Armed Forces, he argues that the district and the seizure of all the Left Bank of Ukraine, according to the plan of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, is given only 15 days. Thus the aim of the attack is the rapid establishment of control over the territory and communications without the seizure of large cities and regional centers.


According to the document, the group of Russian troops "North" must invade Ukraine in two stages - first in Kharkiv and Donetsk regions, and then in Poltava, Kiev and Chernigov. The invasion of Russian troops, according to the plan must masquerade as militants attack LC / DNI. At the same time, added Mr. Gerashchenko, the command of the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation was developed a similar plan, according to which Russian troops have hit the Zaporozhye and Melitopol through the area of Berdyansk and Mariupol and exit to Perekop isthmus to open land routes messages to the Crimea.

In addition, said the MP in the Russian General Staff also has plans for an attack on the Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and the Baltic States to seize access to the border with the former Soviet Union. "Will they be realized depends on the willingness of the peoples of these countries to resist aggression and willingness to Putin NATO to protect its allies and countries that once betrayed their presidents and, following the lead of Russia did not allow them to become members of NATO, "- said Anton Gerashchenko.

It should be noted that the value of the document and the explanatory notes thereto are questionable. For example, "the Russian military" in some cases, to write the word "Donbass", the one with the letter "a", which is more characteristic for native Ukrainian language. In addition, the presented photocopies of documents not print "top secret", page numbering, as well as indications that the pages of the document pierced, as it should be when working with materials of the level of importance.

The probability of occurrence is very low Russian

Experts doubt the likelihood of a full-scale offensive deep into Russia in Ukraine, although do not rule out such a development. Thus, the chief editor of "News resistance" Yuri Karin believes that the probability of a new militant attacks largely depends on the personal decision of Russian President Vladimir Putin. And his behavior, the expert emphasizes, it is practically impossible to predict. This ambitious plan for the Russians to capture the left-bank part of Ukraine, Mr. Carin called quite feasible: "It all depends on what forces will be involved in the possible attack. If Russia uses all its military capabilities, over 15 days, they can wipe the floor with Ukraine face of the earth, not only to capture these areas. However, if the attack will take place in the context of a hybrid war, there is a question. We have experience in the Donetsk airport, the boiler under Debaltseve where events developed very slowly. "

At the same time, the expert said, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the plan of the General Staff of the Russian Federation reportedly developed in April. Consequently, it does not take into account the three-line defense of Ukraine, the construction of which is still ongoing. "Thus, the publication of such a document can be regarded as an element of putting pressure on Ukraine and the international community, which should be more flexible in negotiations with Russia", - said Yuri Karin.

Senior analyst at the International Centre for Policy Studies, Anatoly Oktisyuk also notes that "the plan of the Russian Federation" was developed in April. According to him, if there was a real danger of escalation of the situation after VE Day, and now the situation has changed. " In the current circumstances, Russia is unlikely to be decided on a full-scale offensive , "- said the expert.

However, said Anatoly Oktisyuk, there are several factors that could push Putin to a new escalation of violence. Among other things, we are talking about the absence of any decision on the Donbas, which is disadvantageous for Russia and could force the Kremlin to stimulate action to change the status quo. In addition, some incentive for a new offensive of Russians could also contribute to the internal political situation in Russia. " The Kremlin is a fierce struggle between the "party of peace" represented by the business elite of the country, as well as the "party of war" in the face of the military leadership of Russia. Thus, before Putin's dilemma: either to accept the "perestroika", or finally show himself a fighter for the "Russian world". And as "restructuring" is now starting very risky, he can choose the second path , "- said the expert.

Furthermore, he added Mr Oktisyuk should not forget also about the situation in the temporarily occupied territories of the separatists of Donbass, where the locals are increasingly expressing their dissatisfaction, and even began to hold rallies in protest against the war . "They believe that the Russian divided into several grades, when" the best Russian "living in the Crimea, and the" worst "- the Donbas. We should not forget about the position of Ukraine, which, apparently, has set its sights on the isolation of the region. Thus, all the signals for Russia is negative. Consequently, this trend should be changed either by going to some concessions, or by the escalation of the conflict ", - he concluded.
http://apostrophe.com.ua/article/politics/2015-06-16/zahvat-ukrainyi-rossiyskimi-voyskami-naskolko-velika-opasnost/1854
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #841 on: June 17, 2015, 12:02:36 AM »


however  im still trying to figure out what this guys game is 
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That is THE question, I posted a couple of links and stories that deal with this specific topic-- and as you can see-- the same question is being asked by many observers.
The conclusions certainly outline the possibilities.
Short of all out assault-including aircraft- I do not think Russia is capable of carrying out such a plan.If aircraft are used-- it is the end of any pretence that Russia is not attacking-- and far increases the likelihood of direct western involvement. Despite the reluctance so far by the west-that is still something Putin knows he must avoid.
My best guess -- wider attacks will be designed to spread Ukrainian forces and stretch them-while the real goal will be the land bridge to the Crimea. Mentioned in the various stories-- it is likely that cities will be bypassed (effectively surrounded and cut off) in that process  in a mad scramble to cover a lot of open ground.
The military build up on the Crimean border indicates the attack will also come from that direction-- and that can only succeed with surprise and speed-- and perhaps air cover.
A lot of what happens now is likely to be at Putins whim-so every move by the west is crucial.
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« Reply #843 on: June 17, 2015, 06:55:43 PM »
yes , the vice article /video is pretty compelling we watched it earlier in the week
the match ups on the pics are enough to demonstrate his journey with the russian army and inside ukraine ,

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« Reply #844 on: June 17, 2015, 11:53:39 PM »

this has some interesting possibilitys ,
essence of maskarovka ?/or just lukashenka preparing his own military ?
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« Reply #845 on: June 20, 2015, 12:42:35 PM »
This is a translation, from a Russian newspaper, of an excerpt from a Kremlin policy paper.  Note, according to this, it was the Poles and Brits who funded Maidan, not Americans, as well as oligarchs (which I have posted in the past). 

Very well worth the read, as it is Russia's "road map" to the invasion of Ukraine.


The original -http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/67389.html

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ranslation - http://www.unian.info/politics/1048525-novaya-gazetas-kremlin-papers-article-full-text-in-english.html
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« Reply #846 on: June 21, 2015, 06:31:08 PM »
thanks bo ,

certainly a good insight into the ''WHY '' of their thinking within the kremlin
this spells it out and fits the actions we have all witnessed  over the duration of this since maiden closely

angela merkel is spot on with her comments of mr putin ''living in a different world ''if this written scenario  was believed to be do able without any push back from ukraine and rest of the world
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« Reply #847 on: June 21, 2015, 06:41:11 PM »
This is a translation, from a Russian newspaper, of an excerpt from a Kremlin policy paper.  Note, according to this, it was the Poles and Brits who funded Maidan, not Americans, as well as oligarchs (which I have posted in the past). 

Very well worth the read, as it is Russia's "road map" to the invasion of Ukraine.


The original -http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/67389.html

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ranslation - http://www.unian.info/politics/1048525-novaya-gazetas-kremlin-papers-article-full-text-in-english.html

This is in the must read category-I am surpised only SX has commented.
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« Reply #848 on: July 04, 2015, 05:32:46 PM »
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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« Reply #849 on: July 04, 2015, 10:15:36 PM »
Interesting article on a return to Cold War tactics by Russia -


http://news.vice.com/article/russian-spies-suspicious-books-and-the-new-cold-war-emerging-in-europe

Create enough confusion-muddy the lines between truth and fiction- destroy peoples faith in the written word-- all = modern day Russia !
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