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« Reply #4725 on: May 25, 2016, 01:01:58 PM »
If memory serves me correctly (and it very rarely does these days) the Russian government promised at the time of the takeover that Krim pensioners  would get their full pensions, an amount which was substantially more than they were getting from Ukraine at the time.  Now, I understand the article.  I also understand what Medvedev is saying. 

He is saying that they cannot pay the promised amount relative to the time that the takeover occurred.  Obviously the shortage of cash in cash starved Crimea is creating additional hardship for everyone.  But people on a fixed pension are getting less and less. 
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« Reply #4726 on: May 25, 2016, 02:10:48 PM »

He is saying that they cannot pay the promised amount relative to the time that the takeover occurred. 

I know nothing about nothing . . . but I don't agree with this idea of yours Jon.

To me it's pretty clear.

I think Crimea folks are getting the same pension as people in Russia . . . neither of which has been indexed or increased for inflation.  Don't know when the last adjustment upward was.

The Crimea complainers are wanting an upward adjustment of their pension (apparently above what folks in Russia are getting) because of extreme inflation in Crimea.

Crimea folks are getting paid.  There is no shortage of cash for the basic pension payment.

Their pension payment from Russia is higher than they were getting from Ukraine.  But after inflation is accounted for . . . the buying power of this pension is smaller than their buying power when Ukraine was in control.

There is a shortage of cash to pay for the increased pensions that Crimea folks want.
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« Reply #4727 on: May 25, 2016, 02:50:04 PM »
I thought I said that.
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« Reply #4728 on: May 25, 2016, 05:35:26 PM »
The Bridge update!

Russia’s Kerch Bridge: Time to Act for Ukraine

Building the Kerch Bridge is about much more than addressing a transportation or logistics challenge: it is about confirming Russia’s delusional superpower status and imaginary might, Kazarin argues. Even the fact that the project is being overseen by Putin’s personal friend is, in Kazarin’s opinion, the best illustration of the Kremlin’s willingness to build the bridge at any price, no matter the country’s accumulating economic problems and forced cutbacks in budget spending.

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=45466&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=7&cHash=171f360ceffc4b50f1230880643d6344#.V0Y73r6t-qG
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #4729 on: May 26, 2016, 12:07:36 AM »
Medvedev, " We don't have the money now"
http://www.rferl.org/media/video/crimea-medvedev-pensioners/27754494.html

Russians know Medvedev is an idiot, but you, Ak-Mike, is a triple idiot. You posted a link that proves that you gave the fake information.  ;D

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« Reply #4730 on: May 26, 2016, 12:24:13 AM »
Russians know Medvedev is an idiot, but you, Ak-Mike, is a triple idiot. You posted a link that proves that you gave the fake information.  ;D

So what would that make you? And a dozen others that have repeatedly promoted blatant Putin and Kremlin lies  ?
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« Reply #4731 on: May 26, 2016, 12:25:13 AM »
JayH

I read the article - which, truthfully, points out how the tender to build the project was handed out and the delays.

But

I took issue with the author's stating ..''The bout of great-power euphoria sparked by the 2014 annexation of Crimea did not last long in Russia.'' ..He wasn't wasn't observing the mood of folks on May 9th 2016. One needs to understand that Crimea 'coming back' was a massive uplift in spirit to Russians and the only 'bad news'  would be it being forcibly taken.


As for Court action - that might have been 'auto-suggestion' on the part of the author - as none of the options would stop what is going to be be Putin's lasting legacy or his folly. Time will tell.
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« Reply #4732 on: May 26, 2016, 07:19:04 AM »
Russians know Medvedev is an idiot, but you, Ak-Mike, is a triple idiot. You posted a link that proves that you gave the fake information.  ;D


I posted the link as per the rules showing the source of the info dummy.. :cluebat:

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« Reply #4733 on: May 26, 2016, 03:46:55 PM »
The Bridge update!

http://news.mail.ru/society/25865636/

Turkey has significantly reduced prices on travel packages. Now it is not clear which the Kerch bridge direction will be more profitable  :P.

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« Reply #4734 on: May 27, 2016, 04:25:14 PM »
Despite  our forum "experts"telling us all how good things are in Russia-- the numbers say the downward spiral in the Russian economy continues.
Putin is desperate to ger sanctions eased/lifted  and is actively trying to divide the EU on the issue.The likelihood is for sanctions to be widened further-Putin and his Kremlin idiots still dont seem to be getting the message.

RUSSIAN ECONOMY FINALLY DIES: RECENT FIGURES PLUNGED INTO SHOCK

http://newsonline24.com.ua/ekonomika-rf-doxnet-okonchatelno-svezhie-cifry-povergayut-v-shok
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #4735 on: May 27, 2016, 05:49:13 PM »
The gaping chasm of Russia's financial problems was futilely attempted  to be stopped by a $3 billion bond sale. The only problem is that few wanted to back the Russian Government after the theft of Crimea and the invasion of eastern Ukraine. Only $1.75 billion worth of debt was sold even with a generous 4.75 interest rate. Speculation is that much of the money was cycled thru the west to show interest when it may have originated from within Russia.

The last attempt at bond sales was 3 years ago. Last February a feeble attempt was made  and 25 major western banks turned their noses up at the idea.  :clapping:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/was-russias-first-bond-sale-in-3-years-a-success/570254.html

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« Reply #4736 on: May 27, 2016, 06:00:35 PM »
Meanwhile on the on the food front, the Moscow Times and Vedomosti reports that 90% of the salmon on the store shelves doesn't meet standards and 58% is totally unsafe.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/most-of-moscows-salmon-not-fit-for-purchase-says-watchdog/570364.html

Yet Medvedev desire's to extend the import of foods from the west until the end of 2017.  :wallbash:
This is a knee jerk reaction to western sanctions against Russia.. But it appears to be cutting off his nose to spite his face in the end run. Russian people suffer the increased prices, and the lack of western quality control so common in the west.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/medvedev-wants-russia-s-food-ban-extended-til-end-of-2017/570709.html

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« Reply #4737 on: May 27, 2016, 06:16:35 PM »
Meanwhile in the space race Russia admitted that there is a problem. Funny how there is such a shift away from science to war and the results from that.

"Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has been left red-faced after telling reporters that “Russia will never catch up to the United States in the space race,” the Interfax news agency reported.

“Our space industry has fallen behind the Americans ninefold. All of our ambitious projects require us to up productivity 150 percent – and even if we manage that, we will still never catch up with them,” Rogozin originally said to Interfax Friday".

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-space-industry-nine-times-behind-us-says-rogozin/570708.html

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« Reply #4738 on: May 27, 2016, 06:30:17 PM »
This article from the head of socio-cultural research at Russia’s Levada-Center Alexei Levinson explains a lot of the mindset of many Russians and why they support things their government wants. Especially in regard to Ukraine and their wanting to align with Europe.,

http://www.unian.info/politics/1354792-russian-sociologist-i-believe-it-is-too-painful-for-the-russian-mind-to-assume-ukrainians-are-successful-in-their-movement-toward-europe.html

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« Reply #4739 on: May 27, 2016, 10:28:17 PM »
Quote from: JayH

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RUSSIAN ECONOMY FINALLY DIES: RECENT FIGURES PLUNGED INTO SHOCK[/size]


You should pray it doesn't happen :P. Just think how boring and dull your life will be without copypasting ukrainian sources in this thread.

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« Reply #4740 on: May 27, 2016, 10:54:08 PM »
Actually it'd be nirvana. We wouldn't have to worry about the security of our family and friends trying to live a fruitful life with out fear of more deaths from the Russian army invaders.

 You need to read that link from Unian.info

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« Reply #4741 on: May 27, 2016, 11:11:32 PM »
You should pray it doesn't happen :P. Just think how boring and dull your life will be without copypasting ukrainian sources in this thread.

Did you actually read the source that was being quoted in the article?
You can also read (in English) many sources quoting similar numbers--or do you still only believe ANYTHING that comes from a Kremlin "story"?
You do read the Russian-but even those who do not can see the minus numbers !!

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"Well, here you straight from the tin Rosstat with new data on the state of the economy in April, of which, for example, it follows that the fall in real incomes, accelerated and reached the maximum value for the year. Real disposable income - minus 7.1%, real wages - minus 1.7%, retail sales - minus 4.8%. This, remember, already in comparison with indicators of a failure last spring - a spiral of falling incomes of the population is twisted even further, "low base effect", dreamed of optimists, not earned."
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #4742 on: May 28, 2016, 12:00:23 AM »
Despite  our forum "experts"telling us all how good things are in Russia-- the numbers say the downward spiral in the Russian economy continues.

The truth is that recovering oil prices will - eventually- get VVP off the hook..

http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/russia

''The economy will remain in recession this year. Weak private consumption is expected to be the main drag on growth in 2016 as high inflation, low wages and rising unemployment will continue to hit households’ spending. However, a gradual rise in oil prices and the stabilization of the currency will provide some support to growth. Analysts expect the economy to contact 1.3% this year, which is unchanged from last month’s forecast. For 2017, forecasters expect the economy to increase 1.3%.''



Putin is desperate to ger sanctions eased/lifted  and is actively trying to divide the EU on the issue.The likelihood is for sanctions to be widened further-Putin and his Kremlin idiots still dont seem to be getting the message.

I expect Greece's PM isn't getting your memos...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36403129
''Greece's Tsipras condemns sanctions against Russia'

The Greek prime minister has said sanctions imposed on Russia over its actions in Ukraine are not productive.''

Seriously, as much as Putin hopes to break the EU accord on sanctions - I think this is the Greek PM seeking a deal to reduce his nation's debt .


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« Reply #4743 on: May 28, 2016, 01:22:32 AM »
Does anyone know the relative value of the pensions paid in Ukraine compared to the pensions paid in Russia?  It would be interesting to know. 

Also, how much is the inflation in Krim compared to when the Russians took over?

I could not answer precisely earlier. Ukrainian pensions have just risen considerably( but not enough to compensate for mooted increases in gas,electricity and now water)

Ironically--Putin comments and gives answer.

Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that the words of Dmitry Medvedev's prime minister about the lack of funds on the indexing of pensions in the Crimea were taken out of context.
Putin acknowledged that the current economic situation in the Russian Federation - not easy.

"Pension average have $ 200 in US dollars, and in Ukraine $ 76. There is a difference? Yes, we have at least 4% indexed. In Ukraine, there is no any indexation, plus the increase in the retirement age," - tried otmazatsya his prime minister Putin.
http://glavred.info/politika/deneg-net-vy-derzhites-putin-otmazal-medvedeva-za-pensii-i-vspomnil-ukrainu-370178.html



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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #4744 on: May 28, 2016, 01:45:12 AM »
Did you actually read the source that was being quoted in the article?
You can also read (in English) many sources quoting similar numbers--or do you still only believe ANYTHING that comes from a Kremlin "story"?
You do read the Russian-but even those who do not can see the minus numbers !!

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"Well, here you straight from the tin Rosstat with new data on the state of the economy in April, of which, for example, it follows that the fall in real incomes, accelerated and reached the maximum value for the year. Real disposable income - minus 7.1%, real wages - minus 1.7%, retail sales - minus 4.8%. This, remember, already in comparison with indicators of a failure last spring - a spiral of falling incomes of the population is twisted even further, "low base effect", dreamed of optimists, not earned."

I'll have plenty of time to read any kinds of sources because of budget cuts it'll no work for me at college during the summer quarter :D. And it is not Russia. 3 days on strike.
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« Reply #4745 on: May 28, 2016, 09:38:06 AM »
The G8 countries will remain the G7 as members have agreed to extend sanctions against Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, as well as add further measures because of Russia's failure with the Minsk Agreements. :clapping:

http://www.rferl.org/content/g7-cameron-russia-sanctions/27761035.html

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« Reply #4746 on: May 28, 2016, 11:27:44 AM »
The G8 countries will remain the G7 as members have agreed to extend sanctions against Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, as well as add further measures because of Russia's failure with the Minsk Agreements. :clapping:

http://www.rferl.org/content/g7-cameron-russia-sanctions/27761035.html

At the same time Putin stated:

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"As far as Crimea is concerned, we consider this question is closed forever. This was a historical decision taken by the people that live in Crimea. Russia will not conduct any discussions with anyone on this subject," said Putin.

http://www.voanews.com/content/putin-warns-of-retaliation-against-us-missile-shield-in-europe/3349885.html

Meanwhile further sanctions from the west will just harden the lines on both sides.  With UA's internal political problems and corruption don't expect much in the way of financial assistance from the west.  We'll see when next winter sets in if UA is able to pay their gas bills or if the west is prepared to feed gas to them at a loss or maybe even for free.  The military climate is getting quite chilly and China investing heavily.  With UA desperately needing cash China is surely buying at rock bottom prices and setting up deals that will benefit one side more than the other in the long term.


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« Reply #4747 on: May 28, 2016, 11:33:27 AM »
Russia should continue to be subject to sanctions for the illegal annexation of Crimea.


As for Ukraine, sales are not for the benefit of the state or its people.  It's for the benefit of corrupt politicians.  Perhaps it will need to collapse before things improve.
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« Reply #4748 on: May 28, 2016, 12:42:56 PM »
As for Ukraine, sales are not for the benefit of the state or its people.  It's for the benefit of corrupt politicians.  Perhaps it will need to collapse before things improve.

China understands this very well.  It seems the more corrupt a nation is the more China is willing to invest and loan.  In return they get natural resources.  Something like investing in building big highways in exchange for lumber or mining rights.  In the end the resources will be gone and an empty highway to nowhere left behind.  It's actually a grand deal if one does the math.. and a lot cheaper than having to pay for the highways on their own dime to get resources to port.

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« Reply #4749 on: May 28, 2016, 01:12:24 PM »
China's trade with Ukraine is largely in agriculture.  It has, to some extent, revived Ukrainian agriculture.

Ukraine has surpassed the U.S. as China's number one importer of corn.  China also is leasing about 5% of Ukraine's agricultural lands.
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