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« on: July 26, 2017, 10:55:36 AM »
I just looked at a site that shows a world map of all the countries not officially using the metric system. There are three:

Liberia
Myanmar
USA

So for the people who actually married a FSU woman, does your wife have trouble understanding the imperial system?

We have a tape measure with both imperial and metric on the same side of the tape. You can also get one with metric on one side and imperial on the other.

Our bathroom scale has a switch to change from pounds to kilograms.

Our kitchen range can switch from degrees F to C--but we always leave it on F.

We don't have the 24 hour clock, but of course you can get one. I think some of our alarm clocks can switch.

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 01:12:21 PM »
No troubles, in fact she is more likely to tell distances in miles or room measurements in feet, etc
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 01:24:03 PM »
I just looked at a site that shows a world map of all the countries not officially using the metric system. There are three:

Liberia
Myanmar
USA

So for the people who actually married a FSU woman, does your wife have trouble understanding the imperial system?

We have a tape measure with both imperial and metric on the same side of the tape. You can also get one with metric on one side and imperial on the other.

Our bathroom scale has a switch to change from pounds to kilograms.

Our kitchen range can switch from degrees F to C--but we always leave it on F.

We don't have the 24 hour clock, but of course you can get one. I think some
of our alarm clocks can switch.

My wife does everything in metric except the weather and the speed limit.
If I am holding a picture up on the wall she will tell me to move it 2 cm to
the right, and I will convert that in my head and move it, then she realizes
that she meant that I should have moved it to the left.  :D

The oven only has Fahrenheit, and she figured it out without getting me
involved. She is pretty skilled in the cooking/baking department. She has
cooked a cake on my barbecue grill and in my turkey roaster at different
times. She has gotten recipes from others and then had me convert the
measurements to match my measuring cups.

As for time she doesn't use 24 hour time, sometimes she mixes up AM and
PM just like she does left and right, but it's just mixing up words, she knows
which is which. She doesn't weigh herself as far as I know.

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 02:05:55 PM »
My wife uses Pounds on bathroom scale.
If using Russian recipe she uses grams. Other wise english units.

Temp is now all Farenheit.
Speed is MPH. And driving distances miles.
When purchasing meet she thinks pounds.
Children birth weight is pounds and ounces. All her friends talk kilos for birth weight.

When using tape measure she uses metric, feet ,inch and yards are unknown units to her.
Not sure about volume , my guess would be she thinks in liters or gallons but not quarts pints or ounces.

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 02:19:27 PM »
Wife has been in USA about 11 years now...  She understands F but thinks in both C & F.  Bathroom scales in KG.  OK with lbs, but doesn't think in them.


Kitchen units (cups, pints, tablespoons, etc.) is so-so - she probably could NOT tell me how many ounces are in a gallon by doing the math.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 03:53:21 PM »
My wife uses Pounds on bathroom scale.
If using Russian recipe she uses grams. Other wise english units.

The 'English' went metric in 1971- ditching 20 Shillings to the Pound and 12 pence to the Schilling ..

Apart from MPH and some bizarre affection for 'Stones' - 14 Lbs to a 'Stone' - The UK has gone metric..

When I am in the UK - I switch my SatNav to Miles and most of the rest of the word in KM...if only to make the 'distance to' road signs make sense.

I was the last year taught in imperial and decimal at school..

Why DOES the the USA stick with imperial ?


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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 04:34:08 PM »
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Why DOES the the USA stick with imperial ?

I remember when I was in 1st grade, some 40 years or so ago, my teachers kept telling us that the country was going to go metric "very soon" so they tried to teach it to us in class at times. Now, living in Russia, everything with my fiance and myself is metric. I still have problems with degrees in Celsius but have mastered the rest.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2017, 05:47:03 PM »
Why DOES the the USA stick with imperial ?

The same reason that we threw all the tea in Boston Harbor, it's because of
hard heads  ;D  Metric is far easier, if we just converted on weights and
measures it would simplify a lot.

They still have some odd measurements in business. Like barrels of oil which is 42 USG
or 158.987 liters, it's not a nice round measurement. Horses are measured in hands,
and their races in furlongs, a cars power is measured in horse power which has no
correlation to a horse. Many people are still paid each fortnight although nobody
knows why.

Nautical miles and knots is used in meteorology, and in maritime and, air navigation.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 05:54:33 PM »
The 'English' went metric in 1971- ditching 20 Shillings to the Pound and 12 pence to the Shilling ..
I was living in London when that happened...many shops resisted for a time, or had price labels in both systems.

It was done intelligently with coins: same value, same size and weight, for the benefit of blind people...and vending machines ;).

Since there was no old equivalent for the new 50p piece, they made it a 7-sided coin.


The long British resistance to the metric system was mainly due to its having been introduced by the hated French in 1799. Eventually, they realised it was easier to study arithmetic rather than anatomy :D.

The nautical mile is still used in aerial and maritime navigation for its geographical convenience:
1 Nm = 1' Lat/Long
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 06:24:11 PM »
Larissa thinks in metric but makes conversions with a calculator.  I agree that the USA should convert to metric.  The only way I know how to get it done, is to start teaching it in school from the very beginning.  The parents will eventually catch up.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 07:18:31 PM »
Why DOES the the USA stick with imperial ?


Because you guys told us it was best way to measure things.

Maybe we don't follow the trend because we set the trend? The rest of the world needs to follow what we're doing.

America made an attempt to go to metric. It's being taught in schools. American auto manufactures made the switch to metric. It's believed it's still too expensive for America to convert to metric right now. Too many old school people around not educated on the metric system. When most people get a grasp of the metric system, there may be real change.

In construction civil engineers use a form of measurement similar to metric. They use feet  but no inches. They split the feet into tenths and hundredths. Grading for a concrete slab, I may be directed to grade the slab 412.36 feet above sea level. Carpenters and other trades don't understand tenths and hundredths within a foot. They prefer to stick with 12 inches in a foot.

Wife uses the metric system on the scale, still trying to grasp inches, feet, and lbs.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 01:58:18 AM »
Because you guys told us it was best way to measure things.

Yes, but we 'wised up' ;)

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 07:15:46 AM »
Science, medical, auto industry and others all changed to metric long ago. Military uses 24 hour clock and day/month/year for the date.

Mechanical design uses btu/h psi degrees F and so on.

If you go to buy lumber, a 2 x 12 is really only 1-1/2 inch x 11-1/4" so you always get shorted.

Wife thinks in metric and converts everything; but in the grocery store, she knows everything is sold in pounds.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 10:00:28 AM »
If you go to buy lumber, a 2 x 12 is really only 1-1/2 inch x 11-1/4" so you always get shorted.

They cut a 2x4 from a tree and it's two inches x four inches.
Then they plane it down to make the edges square and smooth
and that process takes it down to 1 1/2" x 3 1/2"

What is a knot in the wood? it was where a branch grew out.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2017, 01:16:25 PM »
USA has largest economy in world . . . at least for a few more years.

This means there are thousands and millions of things measured in USA in our current system . . . more than is measured in any other country.

To change will cost our economy billions of dollars.

No other country faced the costs when they changed (if they did) that we will face when we change . . . because no other country is as large.

People in USA are not being stupid or stubborn about this for no good reason.

It will cost us dearly.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2017, 07:27:03 PM »
USA has largest economy in world . . . at least for a few more years.

This means there are thousands and millions of things measured in USA in our current system . . . more than is measured in any other country.

To change will cost our economy billions of dollars.

No other country faced the costs when they changed (if they did) that we will face when we change . . . because no other country is as large.

People in USA are not being stupid or stubborn about this for no good reason.

It will cost us dearly.

That's just having your head slightly into the sand.  While I do get what you're saying, you only have to look at Wayne's post just upthread -

Science, medical, auto industry and others all changed to metric long ago. Military uses 24 hour clock and day/month/year for the date.

Therefore, many millions of your countrymen and women already think in metrics, because it's required in their industries.  You've also had a metric currency forever.  All it needs is education, and there is no difference in the degree of difficulty of educating people to think metric in any country - it is simply a matter of scale.  People will still think about some things in imperial terms anyway - many people here still refer to height in feet and inches but, nearly fifty years after we went metric, NOBODY ever talks about miles, or miles per hour.

As for costs, the only REAL costs in many cases will be new signs for speed limits, and duplicated signs, such as a road overbridge showing the height limit in both metres and feet, or vegetables showing costs by pound or by kilo.  Anything else should be able to be absorbed by the education budget - as long as you don't rob it to increase the military budget by spending hundreds of billions of dollars on unnecessary new aircraft carriers.  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2017, 07:26:37 AM »
Kiwi, you missed my point completely.

NOT the re-education of people will cost billions . . . rather the retooling of industry.
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2017, 09:27:44 PM »
Kiwi, you missed my point completely.

NOT the re-education of people will cost billions . . . rather the retooling of industry.

I get that, but much of your industry is ALREADY metric.  Their one-off (in most cases) costs for retooling (and anything similar) were absorbed back into the company overheads almost instantly, and I very much doubt that any of them went bust because of excessive costs that COULDN'T be absorbed or passed on.  That should happen with pretty much every other industry as well.

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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2017, 10:02:13 PM »
USA has largest economy in world . . . at least for a few more years.

This means there are thousands and millions of things measured in USA in our current system . . . more than is measured in any other country.

To change will cost our economy billions of dollars.

No other country faced the costs when they changed (if they did) that we will face when we change . . . because no other country is as large.

People in USA are not being stupid or stubborn about this for no good reason.

It will cost us dearly.

THAT has to be THE daftest 'excuse' I've ever heard...

Yes, you have the biggest economy - but competitors - like China - use metric, as do Germany, UK, S. Korea, Japan .... I'm quite certain you don't supply those nations kit measured in imperial ..

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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2017, 10:07:18 PM »
THIS is the sort of thing that completely going over to metric would avoid ..

"Metric mishap caused loss of NASA orbiter"



http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/


WHY do Americans speak of 'English Units' when they LONG ago woke up and went metric ? ;)


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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2017, 07:20:05 AM »
THAT has to be THE daftest 'excuse' I've ever heard...

Yes, you have the biggest economy - but competitors - like China - use metric, as do Germany, UK, S. Korea, Japan .... I'm quite certain you don't supply those nations kit measured in imperial ..

Mob, I won't use disparaging words like you did.

Your example is not logical because most of the countries you mentioned did not go  through the expense of changing as they were mostly already metric or went to metric when their economy was much smaller than USA.

And I would dispute that our industrial products are mostly metric anyway as Kiwi said.

I have two tool kits, metric and standard.  For almost everything I try to repair cars, mowers, tractors, etc. the standard sockets are the ones that are needed.  I only have to use the metric maybe one out of a hundred times.

I suspect we ship products to other countries sized the way we want to.  They either buy them or they don't.

If our industrial products were really mostly metric, then the public would adopt quickly to metric out of necessity.  IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2017, 10:15:44 AM »
Mob, I won't use disparaging words like you did.

ML, you are a big boy and can handle it..  I mean it really was a daft 'excuse'...  You're a smart bloke.

Your example is not logical because most of the countries you mentioned did not go  through the expense of changing as they were mostly already metric or went to metric when their economy was much smaller than USA.

ML, this is nonsense..   US firms - like Ford - are multinationals and operate firms all over the world that use components FROM all over the world... The US is already 'metric' when it comes to exports

If anything switching now - is far easier and many weighing machines - precise measurement tools can cope with switching from Imperial / metric as std.

You guys were wise and your money has been metric far far longer than the Brits...

And I would dispute that our industrial products are mostly metric anyway as Kiwi said.

This is what I meant about daft... The economies of the EU/ China/ Japan/ Korea, etc - vastly outweigh that of 'imperial' USA..   They make electronic kit that works for the USA / and their own markets.

I have two tool kits, metric and standard.  For almost everything I try to repair cars, mowers, tractors, etc. the standard sockets are the ones that are needed.  I only have to use the metric maybe one out of a hundred times.

Standard sockets for the VAST majority of the world are Metric ;)  Rare is the time I'd need to buy an imperial socket - unless restoring a car that was nearly 50 years old


I suspect we ship products to other countries sized the way we want to.  They either buy them or they don't.

More daftness... You go to Ireland ..   Do you see many US made cars there ?  THAT sort of attitude is hardly going to win USA export markets.    US firms make 'em to Metric standards.

If our industrial products were really mostly metric, then the public would adopt quickly to metric out of necessity.  IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

Other than miles / per your gallons - the UK gallon is 'different' - weights and building materials .. I think you'll find the trend is metric..

Fords built in Europe are Metric, as are BMWs built in the USA..  Costly - or not ..  Metric is taking over


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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2017, 10:21:56 AM »
ML ---  how many fingers do you have  = 10
How many toes? =10
Excluding  Arkansas  ( probably should do a visual on Trump voters too!!!!)  - I am guessing those numbers are pretty common amongst most Americans.

So , look at how many more Americans would be able   to count to 20 if the US of A changed to metric.


I am not too keen on agreeing with Moby --but -- Australia changed to metric -- and a substantial cost.
Machinery does not have to be replaced overnight --but as it becomes redundant.
Tools and tooling,the same-- and can be used side by side .
None of has to be done overnight -- it can be done progressively. eg in Australia 50 years after changing -tape measures are still readily available with both systems on them.
It takes very little to learn relevant equivalences  eg 1 kg = 2.2LLBS  etc  Litres much easier than gallons etc
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2017, 03:12:54 PM »


The nautical mile is still used in aerial and maritime navigation for its geographical convenience:
1 Nm = 1' Lat/Long

Yet it is not a mile, adding more confusion, especially if velocity is reported as knots.   

Does Europe do long and lat in degrees?  Why not 100 degrees in a circle rather than 360?  It was developed when we did not know the world was round.   

I like the metric standard of one cc  (or one ml) of water = one mg (at 4C).  Much simpler than 8.34 lbs/gal. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2017, 04:39:22 PM »

This is what I meant about daft... The economies of the EU/ China/ Japan/ Korea, etc - vastly outweigh that of 'imperial' USA.. 

You are still missing my point, but unlike others, I will not have an extended back and forth.

So my final post here:

Saying the combined economies of the other areas outweigh the USA has nothing to do with my arguments.

10 other countries could individually switch from one measurement system to another and each would incur much less cost than incurred by another country which was nearly as large in size as the other combined countries.

And lest the points were lost:

1) I am not saying we don't have metric currency.
2) I am not saying we don't know how to deal in metric anything.
3) I am not saying that I think Imperial is better than Metric . . . it is not.

And why would you dispute my true honest statement that I repair many of my own machines, cars, trucks, tractors, mowers and use Imperial wrenches, sockets, etc., dozens of times for every one time that I might encounter a metric socket?
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