Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Ulysses on September 10, 2009, 11:44:28 AM
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In browsing some of the web sites.....and EM comes to mind most readily...I see several women already living & working in the US, but I've not talked with any of them to find out their status. Any imputs/warnings would be appreciated........Thanks.....Ulysses
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In browsing some of the web sites.....and EM comes to mind most readily...I see several women already living & working in the US, but I've not talked with any of them to find out their status. Any imputs/warnings would be appreciated........Thanks.....Ulysses
You'll find many, many more on Russian dating sites like missingheart.ru
I always felt better dating on my own soil, you bypass the whole Green Card and adjustment issues and if a date falls apart it's no big deal.
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On the other hand, you will not impress them by a blue passport and flashing some dollars ;D
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On the other hand, you will not impress them by a blue passport and flashing some dollars ;D
Therein lies the crux of why many guys try these sites and then run back to marriage agencies complaining about how RW living in the US are spoiled - if you're dating out of your league you'll get a dash of truth along with a side of reality.
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..I see several women already living & working in the US,.....Any imputs/warnings
Be careful that they are not just trying to use you to change their Visa status.
They have discussed this topic on my wife's RW's forum, it does happen.
GOB
BTW.......I am not sure there is an RWD "name" yet for an AM who gets used for a change of Visa status involving a RW already living in the GoodOl' USA.....unlike the terms "mule" or "prospective mule" which we use to describe members like Muddy or Ambach. :evil:
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FSU women already in the US?
By all means. I am a very strong proponent of dating RWs already living in the US if in fact you feel Russian women are whom you'd like as a life partner. All things considered, the pros clearly outweight the cons IMHO.
Usual warning is donned upon the usual suspects e.g. illegals and the sorts...
You may also use sites like this (http://love.rambler.ru/search.phtml?s_ty=All&sold=9nSTPjO58JNRm_AsQ8Z_ldqIPoQAeNS.&s_post=X9oXGqMxy9SH4_BAHxNxDufMiPvEpEm1&s_m=&s_i=M&s_l=F&s_tg=&s_f=25&s_t=49&s_c=5681_0_0&s_p=checked).
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As I understand it, a significant number of these RW already in the USA are of the Jewish religion.
Not that anything wrong with Jewish people, but just be sure you know the difference in outlook, point of view and culture between a RW of Orthodox faith and a RW of Jewish faith.
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My wife has introduced me to many of her RW friends. A few came here via a K-1/K-3 and are now divorced. I am finding it difficult to think of something nice to say.
- Most of these women divorced quickly from their American husband suggesting that they considered him merely a mule. Why pursue a deceitful woman?
- Perhaps some RW came here in good faith yet divorced upon learning more about the man (he had money problems, he was a control freak, etc.). Sounds like a woman not willing to fight for her marriage in difficult times.
- Keep in mind that some men elected to divorce their RW. I have met two rather boring RW who arrived here via a K-1, one is stupid as well.
IMO the best bet would be to pursue those who stayed married for a long time and divorced for compelling reasons after first attempting through counseling to reconcile their differences.
The group that has impressed are the RW who entered the US via a student visa. These women are smart enough to have come to the USA and then graduated in a specialized field enabling them to stay via a work visa. Almost all of these women are happily married. Some have remarkable work experience (e. g., hedge funds, IT QA/QC).
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Gator, I always wodered about these women that discard their mules quickly, how do they support themselves, since they have almost no job skills?
Almost every RW that I have met, was very concerned that she would be financially supported once she gets here. I would say that this was her number one concern, as most know that they have no ability to make a living.
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Gator, I always wodered about these women that discard their mules quickly, how do they support themselves, since they have almost no job skills?
No job skills? If they are working in their country they have job skills.
Almost every RW that I have met, was very concerned that she would be financially supported once she gets here. I would say that this was her number one concern, as most know that they have no ability to make a living.
You really want to believe don't you that RW will be absolutely dependent on the men they marry and unable to find any job don't you. How is it that immigrants from around the world somehow can to the United States and find jobs? Somehow, they are capable of working and making a living. Why would RW be an exception?
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Gator, I always wodered about these women that discard their mules quickly, how do they support themselves, since they have almost no job skills?
Almost every RW that I have met, was very concerned that she would be financially supported once she gets here. I would say that this was her number one concern, as most know that they have no ability to make a living.
They dont have to support themselves. Most are owners of a vagina and that stuff never finishes in 2nd place. Even a not so attractive woman can pretty much get what she wants and needs. Call me what you will but it's the absolute way it tis. Not all will use this very high advantage,but it's always there just in case. Flame away
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Gator, I always wodered about these women that discard their mules quickly, how do they support themselves, since they have almost no job skills?
I am sure that this will all become very clear in your future publication entitled:
"How To Become A Russian Woman's Mule" by Ambach123
I predict that it will be a NY Times "best seller"! 8)
GOB
I have even taken the liberty to enclose a picture for the front cover of your new book! :evil:
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How is it that immigrants from around the world somehow can to the United States and find jobs? Somehow, they are capable of working and making a living. Why would RW be an exception?
Like my RW Misha. :)
She has been in the GoodOl' USA only 4 years and 2 month's and has a job (Senior Accountant) making 55K a year with benefits.
But then again, I realize in the "hoity-toity" social circles of the Ambach's, Trump's and Rockefeller's, this is a small (unlivable) sum of money. :rolleyes2:
GOB
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My wife has introduced me to many of her RW friends. A few came here via a K-1/K-3 and are now divorced. I am finding it difficult to think of something nice to say.
- Most of these women divorced quickly from their American husband suggesting that they considered him merely a mule. Why pursue a deceitful woman?
- Perhaps some RW came here in good faith yet divorced upon learning more about the man (he had money problems, he was a control freak, etc.). Sounds like a woman not willing to fight for her marriage in difficult times.
- Keep in mind that some men elected to divorce their RW. I have met two rather boring RW who arrived here via a K-1, one is stupid as well.
IMO the best bet would be to pursue those who stayed married for a long time and divorced for compelling reasons after first attempting through counseling to reconcile their differences.
The group that has impressed are the RW who entered the US via a student visa. These women are smart enough to have come to the USA and then graduated in a specialized field enabling them to stay via a work visa. Almost all of these women are happily married. Some have remarkable work experience (e. g., hedge funds, IT QA/QC).
If there is the negative abour RW divorced in the US, then why not be equally wary about divorced RW in the FSU ? They too might not have fought for their marriage, want to run away from trouble (with a foreigner) or could be rather boring.
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Shadow, I totally agree with you.
GOB I have comtempt for you, you are an ignorant moron, you are what we call poor whte trash. Please stay off of my psosts, I found you depsiccable. But you must enjoy being despised, that is one of the characterstics of trash, you have nothing to contribute here except your vile, and stupid remarks. There is an ignore button, use it. And NEVER again comment on any of my posts, Did it get through to your skull?
I have made five trips to Eastern Europe in the last one year, I always avoided divorced women.
I go to Eastern Europe every two months, I have met countless women, not one of them was capable of making a decent living in USA on her own.
It is delusional to think that some woman from FSU would come here and get a job better than near minimum wages. I have a maid, she has a college degree, she was born in USA, and she works for $8 per hour, and this is in Boston. Immigrants cannot even get that job in my town.
In almost all cases she does not know how to drive, even the cleaning jobs require the person to have a car and know how to drive.
There are all kind of immigrants in USA, they clean houses, work at Walmart, work in restaurants, almost all of them at or near minmum wages. A RW with University degrees is not going to like cleaning houses. I don't think that is decent living wages.
So she discards the person who brought her here, but in most cases she would go back. She cannot survive in this country on her own, that is the reality.
In my trips I have met a fair number of women who went back after a year or two. The K-1 has less than 50% who actually get married and stay for one year.
It is sheer ignorance or naivette or stupidity or all of these to think that USA has some kind of living wages job for RW. Eventually she may be able to transfer her skills, but not from the get go. The bottom line, she cannot support herself in this country on her own.
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GOB I have comtempt for you, you are an ignorant moron, you are what we call poor whte trash. Please stay off of my psosts, I found you depsiccable. But you must enjoy being despised, that is one of the characterstics of trash, you have nothing to contribute here except your vile, and stupid remarks. There is an ignore button, use it.
Jeez Ambach.....I guess those nighttime GED classes aren't working out to good for you? :evil:
GOB
PS....You might want to check out an ESOL program! :)
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GOB I have comtempt for you, you are an ignorant moron, you are what we call poor whte trash. Please stay off of my psosts, I found you depsiccable. But you must enjoy being despised, that is one of the characterstics of trash, you have nothing to contribute here except your vile, and stupid remarks. There is an ignore button, use it. And NEVER again comment on any of my posts, Did it get through to your skull?
I sometimes wonder Ambach, what you will do if you ever get married and your wife should happen to disagree with you :rolleyes2:
There are all kind of immigrants in USA, they clean houses, work at Walmart, work in restaurants, almost all of them at or near minmum wages. A RW with University degrees is not going to like cleaning houses. I don't think that is decent living wages.
Have you ever considered the possibility that for some women they would prefer working at Walmart than living with a jerk :evil:
So she discards the person who brought her here, but in most cases she would go back. She cannot survive in this country on her own, that is the reality.
You are assuming of course that she will be "on her own" for long. If she is young and attractive, she won't have any problems finding someone to help her. Also, millions of Americans are somehow capable of "surviving" working for minimum wage. You are somewhat naive if you believe that a RW would be less capable of surviving in the United States.
It is sheer ignorance or naivette or stupidity or all of these to think that USA has some kind of living wages job for RW. Eventually she may be able to transfer her skills, but not from the get go. The bottom line, she cannot support herself in this country on her own.
How do you define a living wages job? I define a living wages job as one that pays for rent and food. Millions of Americans somehow struggle by on minimum wage.
Also, you assume that a RW will be on her own, yet I am certain that you are driven to find a young, attractive woman. In other words, you are looking for the type of woman who will precisely have those attributes that will make it quite easy for her to find someone who will gladly ensure that she will not be "on her own" :evil:
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GOB I have comtempt for you, you are an ignorant moron, you are what we call poor whte trash. Please stay off of my psosts, I found you depsiccable. But you must enjoy being despised, that is one of the characterstics of trash, you have nothing to contribute here except your vile, and stupid remarks. There is an ignore button, use it. And NEVER again comment on any of my posts, Did it get through to your skull?
Okay guys, time for a cease the BS check., normally I would send a PM, but I think it is better at this to address this openly..
Ambach and GOB (or anyone else with wadding panties),
Eliminate the personal commentary, name calling (ToS violations), and discuss the content of the posts. It really is that simple..
Ambach (or anyone), if you post in the open forum, anyone can and is welcome to respond. So, accept this and get used to it.
GOB, if you wanna follow Ambach around from thread to thread, then again, discuss the content of the post and not your personal opinions and/or assumptions about the poster. The former being much more beneficial for other readers, the latter being the impetus for spiraling cesspoolesque free fall into the forum abyss.
Now, the rest of that post is a pretty good observation. So feel free, based on the content of that post, to debate that post.
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Hi All.
I don't post much anymore, but I thought that I would respond to this thread. (My wife mentioned it as she reads this site more.)
My experience is a bit different than your conclusion. After getting married, my wife had to tie up the loose ends on her PhD in the FSU. Her PhD is in Philosophy...so zero marketable value in the US.
She didn't start looking for a job until Nov 06. She temped for 3 months until a temp position came up at MIT. It was a 3 month temp job with a possibility to hire. She was hired in April 07 as an admin. The position is roughly $40 K per year with great health benefits and tuition reimbursement. She studied for the GRE and started a Masters in Academic Administration at a leading school here in Boston. She has since been promoted to her first professional position, which pays between $50 to 100 K. Her two closest friends in Boston, both from the FSU, are on similar paths.
I would like to take some credit for this success, but, in reality, it was mostly all up to her. In the past 4 years, I've spent roughly half my time overseas. (Two weeks in the Middle East and two weeks here in Boston.) Why are these women successful? I think it has to do first and foremost with their command of the English language. My wife's GRE score on the verbal portion was 85th percentile, which means that her command of the language is in the 85th percentile of college graduates in the US. I know that my wife's friends had similar scores. Also, all three are willing to invest in their futures by going for more education that is pragmatically focused on obtaining professional employment. Finally, all three are very effective at networking with not only other FSU women but also American women. In fact, half my wife's friends here are US born.
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I read this post to my wife, and she also mentioned two other keys to success. First, she feels that no one really cares where she is from... only that she can do her job. Second, over the past few years, she has gone from an FSU woman living in the US to a Bostonian with an FSU heritage. Our new baby has only hastened this process.
I hope all is well with everyone. Gotta to go as I'm still scrambling to figure out what to get her for our 4th Anniversary.
Todd
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What is a living wage?
The late senator Kennedy from my state had an answer $10.25 per hour up or down according to the area you live in. ( France and Germany already have this minimum wage). I believe the chances of this minimum wage has died with him.
With regard to a RW finding someone to help her, she can find other RW who live together 5 to a room in run down houses, like other immigrants. I am willing to admit that this is her only option, other than going back. Is that what she came here for?
I don't think it is very likely that RW would a find a young American man. I make my living selling to young men and young women, neither of them are interested in a partner who has limited or no earning capacity regardless of what they look like or where they are from.
In case you did not know, percentage wise more women work in USA then men, and at least half of them earn MORE than their spouses.
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Todd what you have described is certainly a possibility. It has happened with others too; many FSU doctors have been able to transfer their diplomas.
Kudos to you for helping her, and more importantly she is ambitious.
These are exceptions and not the rule.
Where and how did you meet your wife?
The women I meet, and most of us meet, are the standard variety, young, attractive, limited English capapability and stark realization by them that there is no job makret for them in USA. They don't even think of getting another education in USA. May be there is a generational difference.
With regard to having American women friends, there are many FSU women posters here who have described their experiences here, almost unanimously they have stated that they were never able to have an American friend, just a different mindset. I pass that information on without any comment. All of this is in archives.
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I read this post to my wife, and she also mentioned two other keys to success. First, she feels that no one really cares where she is from... only that she can do her job. Second, over the past few years, she has gone from an FSU woman living in the US to a Bostonian with an FSU heritage.
Todd-
This is akin to what I have been saying. She phrased that differently than I did, but the general thrust is the same. I agree with her completely on both accounts.
The relations is with the woman in your Russian, not the Russian in the woman. It transcends to society as a whole as well.
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I forgot to mention...My wife is still under 30 and is very beautiful. Her two friends are her age
or a year or two younger. Notice, I've been married long enough to say nothing on whether her
two friends are pretty or not. Thus, I don't think it is age related but more attitude and
intelligence related. If a woman is not successful in the FSU, she won't be successful here.
If a woman is successful in the FSU, then she is likely to be successful here if she is willing
to start over again and build from the ground up in her new home. The man will need to have
some resources in order to support this process as it isn't something that will happen overnight.
Also, this process is much easier to pull off in a large city rather than a small town. My wife
has received her driver's license, but she rarely drives, and we use zip car, subway, and taxi.
Todd
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The relations is with the woman in your Russian, not the Russian in the woman. It transcends to society as a whole as well.
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Can you translate this high society babble so a hick like me can understand it?
Is this the same as " you can take a women out of Russia but cant take the Russian out of the women"
:rolleyes2:
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FWIW, based on the OP's original intent, the vast majority of RW living in the US (and any other Western country), single or married, did NOT arrive here on K1s (or equivalents). Some of you guys should take off the MOB glasses once in awhile, the view is refreshing.
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The women I meet, and most of us meet, are the standard variety, young, attractive, limited English capapability and stark realization by them that there is no job makret for them in USA. They don't even think of getting another education in USA. May be there is a generational difference.
The women you meet show a difference in attitude from thesuccessful ones.
They rule out getting a job on forehand, feeling it would disqualify them as 'dependent wife' material.
However once they have picked up the language and find out that there is a job market for sexy and smart women, their views might change. At that time when they will know they have a choice, it depends on their home situation if and how they will use it
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If a woman is not successful in the FSU, she won't be successful here.
Todd, I can't agree with you more.
I think it is VERY unwise to marry a woman from the FSU who is uneducated, never worked or just plain stupid, BUT........she's HOT and YOUNG!! :rolleyes2:
Knowledgeable people on this forum have said it over and over again....date the same type of women in the FSU that you would date here in the GoodOl' USA (except 50 pounds lighter :evil:).
GOB
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I never met a woman Doctor of Philosphy, but then I never looked for one either. I have no interest in a career woman, if I did, there are plenty right here, and that goes for majority who follow this pursuit.
The kind I meet, have beautiful bodies, and long legs, and want to be homemakers and raise children. I am OK with that. There would be no point for me to look for a career woman in FSU.
Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.
Kievstar in several posts here warned about women who spoke excellent English, and who had careers and wanted to get into USA, for majority of them AM is means to an end. I thought he made sense, and I adjusted my search accordingly.
I refer the readers to several instances. One a current thread in married section, a RW who kidnapped her child with divorce pending. She was highly skilled in USA.
The second are some eminent posters here , I shall not name, whose wives ditched them AFTER they got their education here.
The sad part is that these eminent posters were always presenting themselves as authority for their " happy " marriages.
Like they say, look before you leap.
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Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.
A career woman can ALWAYS become a homemaker....ANYTIME she wants to!
But a "professional homemaker" (a.k.a. broodmare)........well I think everyone knows the point I am trying to make here........"unskilled labor".
Eventually a "homemaker" looks around and sees whats going on in the GoodOl' USA and realizes that her resources/opportunities are limited because of her lack of job skills/education.
Not a pretty picture.
Newbies do yourselves a favor and marry an educated FSUW, not a stupid one with a pretty body.
GOB
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The kind I meet, have beautiful bodies, and long legs, and want to be homemakers and raise children. I am OK with that. There would be no point for me to look for a career woman in FSU.
Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.
Being a homemaker can be a career as well. And some try to reach the top in this like in any other career. What that top is differs from woman to woman.
Kievstar in several posts here warned about women who spoke excellent English, and who had careers and wanted to get into USA, for majority of them AM is means to an end. I thought he made sense, and I adjusted my search accordingly.
Nobod ever warned for women who speak excellent English, have a career and do NOT want to get in to the USA. ;)
Like they say, look before you leap.
You are however supposed to look at where you are going, not at the beatuful creatures surrounding you.
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An attractive woman can be very well educated, and very intelligent besides having long legs, and actually many in FSU are. She does not need to have a desire of clicking her heels all days in USA in an office someplace, away from her family; I can't see that as a plus.
Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.
Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.
Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income. But then I have always maintained that marrying a RW is an expensive pursuit, if you don't have the money, and you can't afford one, a train wreck is waiting to happen sooner or later. If more would listen to this, the train wrecks would be cut down substantially. You have to be able to afford a RW, if you can't you will cut a sorry figure.
I used to think that this was just an easy and simple pursuit, I no longer think so.
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......... she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.
I can't argue with what you are saying Ambach, because it is what YOU WANT.
What's more important here is finding out what SHE WANTS.....Before you bring her to the GoodOl' USA.
Hey, if you can find an FSUW who wants to lay around your mansion all day popping out babies (for the rest of her life with NO job/career aspirations), then more power to you.
The point I am trying to make is if she gets to the land of milk and honey and pops a couple of kids out, looks around and says: "Hey, I think I would like to do something else."
Well, at that point her options are probably McDonald's or WalMart (if shes uneducated and stupid....but hot looking) .
Simply put.....you can't control or buy people Ambach (especially RW).
GOB
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Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income.
I'll try again Ambach. :rolleyes2:
It may shock you, BUT....Some women (Russian or whoever) get a certain satisfaction from working.
It is what THEY want to do!
For example my wife WANTS to work.
We DON'T need a second income in this household.
Accounting is in her blood and she ENJOYS it, (believe it or not).
Maybe when she gets back from Omsk, she will decide to quit her job, I don't know.
But it is HER decision to make, NOT MINE.
If I told Marina that she has to quit her job and stay home, she would undoubtedly divorce me.
You can't control people Ambach.
GOB
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Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?
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Valena; I will answer you.
I don't make value judgments, if you look through this board and the archives, you will see plenty of examples, what I have stated is stated by many many people of their experiences much more eloquently than me.
A wise man/ woman learns from others' experience.
I don't see anything wrong for a woman for the desire to be a homemaker or being "taken care" of; it is perfectly normal for Russian or any other woman.
In my experience Russian women are beautiful, intelligent and well educated, as OP and Gator has mentioned, the sanctity of marriage is not their forte. That is also a fact. ( As shadow has mentioned, there may be some solace in avoiding divorced women)
The point is that one should get into this realizing that this is an expensive proposition, and RW have a high maintainence requirements, if you can't afford it, she would not be around for long. She may build a career, of course on your dime. Look through the archives what they did after that.
I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.
Some people here think " Nah, this will never happen to me"; so many said that before them. This line is real naivette, but your will be surprised how many think that.
Again, I don't make the rules, I merely observe them, whether this is right or wrong is not for me to judge.
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Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?
Velena,
First, welcome! Feel free to tell us more about yourself in the welcome section.
Why do guys look for a RW?
Some because they feel they 'missed the bus' somewhere along the way and have a hard time dating the women they drool over at home.
Some because they think they can somehow exercise more control over a FSU woman (i.e. dependance).
Some because they feel a sense of entitlement and do it because they 'can'.
Some watch too much porn.
Some really think FedEx will deliver.
Some are after a younger, more beautiful wife for the same reasons that a shiny car sits in their driveway.
A very few have a quite normal 'boy meets girl' experience.
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Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother.
I agree with GOB, you can't order someone to be an attentive mother.
Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.
Sure, they want it as they are now overburdened with work, exhausted with long hours spent commuting and fantasize about how wonderful life would be sitting at home not working, but they may change their minds quite quickly once they have spent months in a suburb staying at home. What do you do then if that happens? Do you pull out your pre-nuptial agreement?
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An attractive woman can be very well educated, and very intelligent besides having long legs, and actually many in FSU are. She does not need to have a desire of clicking her heels all days in USA in an office someplace, away from her family; I can't see that as a plus.
Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.
Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.
Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income. But then I have always maintained that marrying a RW is an expensive pursuit, if you don't have the money, and you can't afford one, a train wreck is waiting to happen sooner or later. If more would listen to this, the train wrecks would be cut down substantially. You have to be able to afford a RW, if you can't you will cut a sorry figure.
I used to think that this was just an easy and simple pursuit, I no longer think so.
Women wish to be comfortable in life, and a husband who provides rather than that they have to work. However some would prefer to have other people to everything, except for spending money.
By looking especially for women who do not wish a career, you might get in to the pool of women who look for a sponsor, and do not care if he will marry them or not as long as they can get the lifestyle they want.
It is good to be in a position where your wife dos not need to have a career or to work. However that does not mean that she should also have no desire to anything else as be pretty and throw out babies.
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Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?
I was never worried about such things, as I believed to have the talent to recognize it.
As for a Russian wife, I was just lookinf for a wife. Did not make any difference to me where she would come from.
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I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.
Ya know.. I just looked through your posts back to July and couldn't find anything you 'referenced'.. Mind pointing us to it?
or are you talking about this?:
http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=11038008&nav=menu439_8_3_2
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Ambach's goal is to find a woman over whom he will have total control. As such he seeks out women who don't have transferable job skills and will resist any effort on her part to get an education or find work that might make her potentially independent of him once she gets here. He thinks having her pop out a quick baby or two will increase her dependence on him. If all of that fails, he has a totally unfair and controlling prenup lined up to use as blackmail should she have any thoughts of leaving.
Ultimately, the very things he is doing to try to ensure she will never leave him are precisely the things that will drive her to want to get away, at whatever cost.
Anyone with any shred of experience and common sense knows that you CANNOT control a RW. To even try is the quickest route to losing them.
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Valena; I will answer you.
I don't make value judgments, if you look through this board and the archives, you will see plenty of examples, what I have stated is stated by many many people of their experiences much more eloquently than me.
A wise man/ woman learns from others' experience.
That's true, but it seems the lessons usually don't "take' unless paid for with his/her own sweat and blood.
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I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.
Some people here think " Nah, this will never happen to me"; so many said that before them. This line is real naivette, but your will be surprised how many think that.
Again, I don't make the rules, I merely observe them, whether this is right or wrong is not for me to judge.
Well, that's one way to look at it... another way is little more pragmatic - take the time to know your woman, and build solid honest to God love and devotion relations with a "free" woman (not a prisoner).
I agree that there is absolutely nothing wring with a woman being a homemaker... nothing at all, if that's what she WANTS. The point is her FREEDOM to chose the path for her life, and if her free choices blend with your own. A free woman will LOVE you, a prisoner will tolerate you until she can escape. You can't make a housewife out of a career girl... back to that whole fitting together concept. There are as many different kinds of men and women as there are colors in the spectrum... just have to find your matching colors and take the time to build something SOLID....
Of course, those are the opinions of a still single man trying to do that.. so maybe I'm full of crap, but I don;t think so. Afterall, what man here is ever wrong? lol :evil:
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Ambach's goal is to find a woman over whom he will have total control.
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Ultimately, the very things he is doing to try to ensure she will never leave him are precisely the things that will drive her to want to get away, at whatever cost.
Scott, I think he said it best himself:
With regard to my prospects, my record speaks for itself, those are not very good. Nonetheless I would give it a try. Finding a woman is never difficult, I have not been very lucky to keep them. We all have to bear our crosses.
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A free woman will LOVE you, a prisoner will tolerate you until she can escape.
:D
GOB
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You may also use sites like this (http://love.rambler.ru/search.phtml?s_ty=All&sold=9nSTPjO58JNRm_AsQ8Z_ldqIPoQAeNS.&s_post=X9oXGqMxy9SH4_BAHxNxDufMiPvEpEm1&s_m=&s_i=M&s_l=F&s_tg=&s_f=25&s_t=49&s_c=5681_0_0&s_p=checked).
Back to the original topic....
Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...
FSUW marries AM, they split up and she looks for FSUM in USA?.. or even sponsor a K1/3 to build the next generation?
Now that's a twist....
I think it's a long term plot by Putin to gradually take over the world.. he certainly knows well from his KGB days how vulnerable WM are when they think with their little head. He surely has the assets to do so.. ;D
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Back to the original topic....
Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...
FSUW marries AM, they split up and she looks for FSUM in USA?.. or even sponsor a K1/3 to build the next generation?
Now that's a twist....
I think it's a long term plot by Putin to gradually take over the world.. he certainly knows well from his KGB days how vulnerable WM are when they think with their little head. He surely has the assets to do so.. ;D
:ROFL: :ROFL:
That could be the simplest, most logical, Occam's Razor approved theory yet... Man, I think you nailed it!
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:ROFL: :ROFL:
That could be the simplest, most logical, Occam's Razor approved theory yet... Man, I think you nailed it!
Assimilation as a means to conquest...
Maybe they are going for the Chinese strategy?
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Sorry for the interruption... a little thread sanitizer spread in the thread... the missing posts concerning slavery, or other specific member related interjections can be found here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10209.0
we now return you to the original topic, already in progress. :evil:
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Daveman Nice job as usual. :thumbsdown:
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In browsing some of the web sites.....and EM comes to mind most readily...I see several women already living & working in the US, but I've not talked with any of them to find out their status. Any imputs/warnings would be appreciated........Thanks.....Ulysses
I am talking/planning on meeting several here in the US. One came here on her own with no children, a good career and plenty of potential. Another was married to a WM for five years, has a child from the marriage and seems sincere.
I say go for it! All you have to lose is jet-lag :)
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JollyRates, So, no overseas trip for you this year! ???
Dave
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...a little thread sanitizer spread in the thread...
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10209.0
The '...vs. the world' thread?
Sanitizer...or fertilizer?
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JollyRates, So, no overseas trip for you this year! ???
Dave
Actually I may be in Donestk in late October shootin pool with Daveman :)
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Actually I may be in Donestk in late October shootin pool with Daveman :)
thats a really long way to go just to shoot pool.
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thats a really long way to go just to shoot pool.
Hmmm, yeah. Never really thought about that. Thanks for pointing that out. I may have to find some extra-curricular activities to throw into the mix, maybe a movie or two? Any suggestions? The last movie I saw was Star-Trek....
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Hmmm, yeah. Never really thought about that. Thanks for pointing that out. I may have to find some extra-curricular activities to throw into the mix, maybe a movie or two? Any suggestions? The last movie I saw was Star-Trek....
coal mine tour.. trek ukrainian steppe.. explore abandoned factories.. I would avoid the women though, they will most likely come off as stuck up to you... ;)
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Hmmm, yeah. Never really thought about that. Thanks for pointing that out. I may have to find some extra-curricular activities to throw into the mix, maybe a movie or two? Any suggestions? The last movie I saw was Star-Trek....
Visit Chernobyl. It will make you feel like a Star Trek person on another planet. ;)
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I go to Eastern Europe every two months, I have met countless women, not one of them was capable of making a decent living in USA on her own.
Oh, God! Hotstuff, I am very interested in you
please tell me more about yourself
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Visit Chernobyl. It will make you feel like a Star Trek person on another planet. ;)
KEWL, I might even glow in the dark :)
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Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...
FSUW marries AM, they split up and she looks for FSUM in USA?.. or even sponsor a K1/3 to build the next generation?
Now that's a twist....
Those women have never been to the USA.
There can be few reasons why they list themselves as being in the USA:
1. Site has no Russia as location but they want to be there
2. Low language skills - they think this option is for a desired partner
3. Some do believe that they have better chances to place themself in Us area - a man will see her, will fall in love and it will be already not so important that she is half world far from him :)
They put it in Russian because they know no word in English. I will never understand neither men no women who wants to start an international relationship with zero communication options :wallbash:
P.S. Why the hell this site so much lagging
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Those women have never been to the USA.
There can be few reasons why they list themselves as being in the USA:
1. Site has no Russia as location but they want to be there
2. Low language skills - they think this option is for a desired partner
3. Some do believe that they have better chances to place themself in Us area - a man will see her, will fall in love and it will be already not so important that she is half world far from him :)
They put it in Russian because they know no word in English. I will never understand neither men no women who wants to start an international relationship with zero communication options :wallbash:
P.S. Why the hell this site so much lagging
RussianWind, you may be correct for some of these women, but I used Russian dating sites before I found my wife and I wrote to and met dozens of Russian women living in the US.
In my experience, the RW who lie and list their residence as US are using US-based dating sites like Lavalife or Match.com, not rambler.ru or missingheart.ru.
I'd also say that based on the circle of Russian and Ukrainian friends my wife now have, most (but not all) of her single Russian female friends are not really interested in dating American guys.
In past years, I put out feelers here to see if men were interested in meeting any of these women and no one responded - I honestly think a good number of men here are intimidated by RW living in the US since the most important element they have to offer is an easier life in the US and without that element they can't date out of their league.
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groovlstk
I of course don't speak of all women but it is 100% some put their wrong location with a purpose.
Concerning match.com
This site doesn't like Russian girls. I know some women who even paid but they deleted their profiles anyway. After much efforts, numerious complains they could get their money back but not to open profiles.
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Those women have never been to the USA.
There can be few reasons why they list themselves as being in the USA:
1. Site has no Russia as location but they want to be there
2. Low language skills - they think this option is for a desired partner
3. Some do believe that they have better chances to place themself in Us area - a man will see her, will fall in love and it will be already not so important that she is half world far from him :)
Agree. I would also add the fact FSUW living in the States do gravitate to these sites simply because of strong association to their nationality. Especially the ones that are newly arrived.
Also many FSUW I know living in LA are as much interested in dating and meeting Russian men as any other. Sites like these are a great source of prospects for RMs living for mostly the same purpose.
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In browsing some of the web sites.....and EM comes to mind most readily...I see several women already living & working in the US, but I've not talked with any of them to find out their status. Any imputs/warnings would be appreciated........Thanks.....Ulysses
I've dated quite a number of them. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Their English is
almost always better. Being far more local, it's easier to to suss out whether they are a real candidate
for marriage or not. Just like women in the FSU most were not.
I followed the same rules as I did in the FSU. I wouldn't date them again no matter how hot they were
or how badly I wanted to jump their bones, if there were flaws in their character. 90% of the time it
was one date then dump.
One couldn't help herself from getting drunker than a skunk then driving home. I offered her everything
to stop her including calling a tow truck and buying her a bottle to go. One woman had serious anger
issues. One woman had a voice so schreechy that I almost didn't meet her. There was one that I
dated for months, but she was still hung up about her ex-husband so I broke it off.
Angel Eyes is 100 times better than all of them combined. It takes shoveling tons of gravel through
the sifter to find a nugget of gold.
I would check out the locals if for no other reason than to check it off the list.
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Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...
It could be that they are looking for an FSU man who is already in the US.
It could be that they are looking for a man that already thinks he wants an FSUW.
It worked once, the girl thinks she knows the game, the challenges and what to avoid.
Her English is better than the girls in the FSU and she is already here making her more
attractive than the hottest girl in Novosibirsk so why not try it again? Won't all those
keyboard Romeo's jump at a chance with her?
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Still have single RW friends?
RussianWind, you may be correct for some of these women, but I used Russian dating sites before I found my wife and I wrote to and met dozens of Russian women living in the US.
In my experience, the RW who lie and list their residence as US are using US-based dating sites like Lavalife or Match.com, not rambler.ru or missingheart.ru.
I'd also say that based on the circle of Russian and Ukrainian friends my wife now have, most (but not all) of her single Russian female friends are not really interested in dating American guys.
In past years, I put out feelers here to see if men were interested in meeting any of these women and no one responded - I honestly think a good number of men here are intimidated by RW living in the US since the most important element they have to offer is an easier life in the US and without that element they can't date out of their league.
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Still have single RW friends?
I don't have any,
Groove is RIP
Fixing people up never works, women are the worst.
I tried to set up two different guys at the forums (fora?).
Both guys screwed it up.
One guy called her the next day, then ghosted her for months.
The other lunkhead, told the FSUW that I suggested he meet
that he asked out the 19 year old cashier at the mini-mart.
The dumb-ass told that to a serious, educated FSUW 35 years old?
Angel Eyes tried to set up one of her friends with a guy (cousin-in-law)
I knew in the USA. never had a passport in his life, hasn't cracked a book since
high school, Her friend knew almost zero English, chain smoked, had an ultra-short
ugly horrible haircut and was overweight.
Between the two of them they had a -1000% chance.
Finding a girl is a very personal choice, the girl that I liked would probably
annoy you nearly to death. The girl that really likes me would probably stab
you in your sleep.
If it blows up, it's not my fault. Neither of you will call me up and tell me
about it.
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Sad to hear about Groove. Our lives are indeed short and precious. Makes me want to finally end this journey and find someone significant.
But on a lighter note 2tallbill your stories are hilarious.
At this point I just want someone interesting, can hold a conversation and be reasonably attractive. No need to have two masters or former Olympian. Just a regular person. Since my breakup from my American ex I've taken 5 trips to Ukraine, 2 trips to Russia, 4 trips to Turkey, 6 trips to Thailand/Vietnam, 3 trips to Poland, 1 trip to Latvia and 1 trip to Georgia. I should have married that 5'9" Ukrainian model when I was 23. We'd have at least 1 or 2 boys playing basketball or football right now. When you're 23 and have a hot girlfriend you think you're just going to keep on upgrading each year.
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It's possible to meet a FSW in your home country, now more than ever, I did.
There are now far more Ukrainians in the UK & US as a result of the war and far more Russians because of the war/Putin/asylum.
I used Fdate to find a UW I the UK. I wouldn't use any western dating sites, I can't stress that enough. I'm not saying it's impossible too but the odds probably aren't good if the FSW is in a western dating site. She is probably already likely messed up by it, it exposed her to western society and that's a crappy thing.
A girl on a site like Fdate likely tends to be after guys that are a bit familiar with the scene in FSU countries. A western dating site is full of guys who don't care about her FSU country, her culture, etc. That's not a great start, in addition some may think they are scammers, dodgy profiles, etc but most men on western dating sites just won't get her, what she is about or will see her as just a chick to get with. Thd better FSW tend to go on Fdate to find a guy who is open to dating a FSW so not to sound like I broken record but I would go there. Your competition will be less also, avoid Match, Tinder, etc like the plague, I tried it for FSW and it's no joy.
I used to fret about guys in the home country stealing a FSW I got with, but while that is possible there can be issues that avoid that from happening. A lot of FSW don't see the natives as necessarily welcoming or friendly towards them. Hence why some girls look on Fdate for a guy that is open minded towards them. There can be a bit of a cultural block also. Most native guys don't walk around thinking, hey what if there is a Thai girl, UW, RW, Brazilian, etc girl I can get with??? Let's go walk around and look! Most just think of getting with girls in general and often the default thinking is a native girl even if the odds are stacked against them. People often see foreign as foreign even if a white girl with a slight accent. The are not necessarily against them they just aren't familiar with foreign and don't want to trouble themselves about it. Then if course for some they have heard bad stories and but into that for all of them and don't want to know. I'm not saying guys haven't been done over but life is life. Personally I think it's not so bad to go for a FSW who is already here, on Fdate as the more racy dubious FSW in your native country are already trying to scale the ladder on crappy western dating sites and most of them are the ones to avoid that are there.
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FDATE - such a bad site for me. For some reason very very few response.
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FDATE - such a bad site for me. For some reason very very few response.
It takes some time, I have had moments on there when I felt confident then hit the shit of a stonewall no response situation. It's best to go on there and not expect immediate response even for a good few days. Can take 2, 3, 4 weeks before things get rolling a bit. Patience is needed.
On photo feeler try to get your photos around the 7.5 ish mark, i.e above 7. Photo's that are 5 ish are average and you'll struggle to get any response on Fdate with them, I did. A photo around a 5 may just get a response from a woman who will be half hearted and drop off communication after a message or two, only if you are real lucky she will continue communicating. Photo's of 7.5 and above tend to yield a bit better interest, not shit hot interest but some interest eventually. If you're into 8 plus rating on photo feeler I could imagine that you would get a lot of interest on Fdate but usually that is Brad Pitt terrain and most guys can't manage photos anywhere near that. Wait for at least 20 votes to accumulate on photo feeler to get an accurate enough reading in the photo, if there are any 'would date!' type of comments left that is a good sign also.
So yeah some women take a while to get back to their messages on Fdate. As said before message those that have logged on first/regularly. More than a few days since they've been on there, well they may not go back on there. Those that are well over 10 days since they logged on are nearly always pointless so fingers spend much time on them.
For messaging, I would write out pretty individual messages, it ok a bit of cut & paste of a sentence or two that might apply to most women to cut down on keyboard hammering. Definitely majd sure you put her name at the beginning and try to put something that you've noticed in her photo, if she is wearing a nice black, red dress, smiling nicely, etc. comment on anything that stands out. That way she knows you have read her profile and is getting some sort of individual message/attention, that you aren't just mass spamming all girls with a generic, 'Hey darling, you look great...(generic phrases)...write me back'. If it looks like you have a common hobby or your hobby might relate to what she does in her photos that can be handy also.
I personally try not to get too kissy kiss early on in messaging I just try to keep it pleasant as it avoid building up too much anticipation but that might happen anyway, a flower emoji is probably fine or similar. I tended to avoid referencing a girl as pretty or beautiful as most probably get that a lot and it looks like you might just be messaging her on those grounds moreso for girls that are pretty in there,they get it all the time. Don't worry Beel I don't call them chick of pussy their either ;D
That's about it, some girls you'll gel with others you won't. If you're not telling with a girl then drop her and move in until you find one you do. Girls that are into you tend to write back a lot and want to get you on WhatsApp or similar soon as. You really need strong i.e constant communication of a daily back & forth with a girl for it stand much chance in meeting I think. It might do otherwise but I've found it less likely even with a standard message every couple of days or so. It's women that 'want you' us what you are looking for, that they want to stick around you and be at your side as much as they can.
Keep trying on there. Krim's idea is worth a shot I think if you have the time, could lead to a pretty interesting lifestyle :)
I think my concern is reading what you have put is that you may have led a bit of a playboy lifestyle and you may not be aware that you are even doing so that much. To settle down with a serious girl I would say get more basic. Get locally to where she is, date there, if she is willing visit her home, get chatting about her regular life, her issues, etc. Avoid Agency fix ups and glam girls, it's the more homely girl who's a better wife, mother, etc.