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« Reply #2750 on: March 05, 2015, 05:29:01 PM »

As for black and white perspective it is far more prevalent as someone close to the fire might be able to see.
That is not from knowing better but from seeing it in many forms. Including the introduction of the dualistic models in the education in Europe.
In most areas (and not just the movies) there is a dualistic system. It is embedded in politics as well.
While it is far from an absolute, there is far more dualism on the American continent as on the European.
In Asia on the other hand people simply think what they are told to...


Actually, it seems to me that you are the proponent of a benign dictator who will take care of the ignorant populace children.
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« Reply #2751 on: March 05, 2015, 06:21:25 PM »
Russia starts large-scale military exercises in disputed territories

 (Reuters) - Russia's Defence Ministry said on Thursday that large-scale military exercises had started in southern Russia and in disputed territories on Russia's borders.

The exercises involve over 2,000 anti-aircraft troops and 500 items of weaponry and will last until April 10, Interfax news agency reported.

The Defence Ministry said the exercises were taking place in Russia's Southern and North Caucasus Federal Districts, as well as on Russian military bases in Armenia, the Georgian separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and Ukraine's Crimea region, which Moscow annexed last year.

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« Reply #2752 on: March 05, 2015, 06:22:29 PM »
Reports are in about Ukraine mining bridges to Crimea to stop all traffic in case of an attack. Roads are being dug up leading to Transisteria border also. All International borders to Russia are closed.

MIKE , do you have any links to these ?

glad to see their being as pro active as they can

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« Reply #2753 on: March 05, 2015, 06:43:52 PM »
Pm sent SX.

 added links
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« Reply #2754 on: March 05, 2015, 08:51:52 PM »

Actually, it seems to me that you are the proponent of a benign dictator who will take care of the ignorant populace children.

You mean like a socialist?

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« Reply #2755 on: March 05, 2015, 08:57:55 PM »
You mean like a socialist?

Don't vex him with the truth, he can't handle it.

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« Reply #2756 on: March 05, 2015, 09:05:13 PM »
Don't vex him with the truth, he can't handle it.

We know - he is a committed socialist.

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« Reply #2757 on: March 05, 2015, 11:16:08 PM »
According to this article Debaltseve was not a debacle, and in fact the kill ratio was 3 to 1 in favor of Ukraine.  Ukraine does not need to "beat" Russia to win the war on their own territory.


http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/04/a-stalemate-ukraine-can-win-russia-war-donetsk-donbass/

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« Reply #2758 on: March 06, 2015, 01:03:55 AM »
Russia's Gazprom Asks Government for Financial Aid, Report Says

Russia's Gazprom Neft, the oil arm of gas producer Gazprom, has asked the government for 198 billion rubles ($3.3 billion) in financial aid, the daily Kommersant reported Friday.

Ever since Moscow was hit by sanctions over the Ukraine crisis, Russian companies have struggled to raise financing because Western markets are largely closed to them.

Rosneft, Russia's largest oil producer, initially asked the government for more than 1 trillion rubles, but the figure was later revised down to 300 billion rubles.

Gazprom Neft declined to comment on the Kommersant story.

Kommersant said the company had handed a letter to Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich listing projects for which it needs financing, but it has not yet filed an official request.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-s-gazprom-asks-government-for-financial-aid-report-says/517100.html

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« Reply #2759 on: March 06, 2015, 03:05:02 AM »

Actually, it seems to me that you are the proponent of a benign dictator who will take care of the ignorant populace children.
Nope, I am just for leaving the choice made in a democracy to the people of that country. Even if the outcome is not someone I would think being good for the country.
We know - he is a committed socialist.
Only in America.
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« Reply #2760 on: March 06, 2015, 12:12:32 PM »
Could this be the disconnect from SWIFT that we've been waiting for???  :crackwhip: :crackwhip:


March 06, 2015
 
Cameron proposes to deprive Russia of access to world financial markets

British Prime Minister David Cameron says that the West is ready to bring the sanctions against Russia 'to a whole different level,' if the Minsk agreement are not fulfilled.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, David Cameron notes that Russia "can not rip up one part of the international rule book", while still having access to international markets and financial systems.

According to Cameron, the Western countries should be prepared to "to settle in for a long and determined position" of pitting the weight of the U.S. and the EU against Russia.

He adds that world leaders decided to bring the sanctions against Russia "to a whole different level," if another incident like that in Debaltseve happens again. The agency notes that the city was captured by militants after the conclusion of truce.

http://joinfo.com/world/1001577_Cameron-proposes-to-deprive-Russia-of-access-to.html
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« Reply #2761 on: March 06, 2015, 03:08:12 PM »
We know - he is a committed socialist.


Why thank you.  :blowkiss:
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« Reply #2762 on: March 06, 2015, 03:10:28 PM »
Don't vex him with the truth, he can't handle it.


Said the man who don't even know the facts.


Humor me. Repeat mindlessly anything you've heard from talk radio lately that says it's Obama's fault.
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« Reply #2763 on: March 06, 2015, 03:13:37 PM »
Nope, I am just for leaving the choice made in a democracy to the people of that country. Even if the outcome is not someone I would think being good for the country.


Exactly. So you are condemning Putler for invading Ukraine, right?
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« Reply #2764 on: March 06, 2015, 04:17:55 PM »

Said the man who don't even know the facts.


Humor me. Repeat mindlessly anything you've heard from talk radio lately that says it's Obama's fault.

Obama isn't responsible for nothing. Nothing is ever is fault

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« Reply #2765 on: March 06, 2015, 04:24:46 PM »
Obama isn't responsible for nothing. Nothing is ever is fault


Now, that's a good boy.
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« Reply #2766 on: March 06, 2015, 05:53:41 PM »
In the center of Berlin hung Ukrainian flag calling for Putin

 Friday, March 6, 2015




On the night of 4 to 5 March in central Berlin Wall Museum ?Check Point Charlie? Ukraine flag hung calling for Putin "give freedom throughout Ukraine." This was reported in their Facebook volunteer Tatiana Rychkova. A huge poster colors of the national flag of Ukraine, measuring 15 by 8 meters, calling Russian President Vladimir Putin hold back its ambitions on Ukraine. The flag hung on the walls of the museum at the initiative of the museum's director, Ukrainian by birth, Alexandra Hilbebrandt, said the publication Berlin-visual.com / photo - Tatiana Rychkova
 


http://www.hromadske.tv/politics/u-tsentri-berlina-povisili-ukrayinskii-prapor-iz-z/

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« Reply #2767 on: March 06, 2015, 08:31:02 PM »

In Russia started this panic!


After making yesterday in the State Duma a bill to ban all Russians traveling abroad from Russia, the financial markets and the banking system in Russia started a real panic.

From bank accounts of physical persons removed $ 2.9 billion - is the maximum amount for one day conduct of such statistics regulator stated the Russian Central Bank. As before, the Russians prefer US dollars. During the day, the demand for them has increased by 550% to $ 1.8 billion, while the euro - by 500% to $ 1.3 billion.

On the sale of all of the available US and European currencies over the past day reported a small Moscow bank teller Svetlana: "We sold today all foreign currency, both in dollars and euros."

"Real estate markets of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Croatia, Cyprus, Thailand, Spain, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, where the Russians the most eagerly snapping up" Cottage by the Sea "activated the full", - said the head of the analytical center "Indicators of the real estate market," Oleg Repchenko.

"In Russia, started a real panic. People are actively buying foreign currency to buy property abroad and trying to leave the country. Airports are crowded, people are fleeing abroad with their entire families, "- said Repchenko.

Yesterday the Russian TV channel LifeNews reported that "the State Duma introduced a bill to ban all Russians traveling abroad from the territory of Russia."
http://newsdaily.com.ua/post/775313

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« Reply #2768 on: March 06, 2015, 08:40:33 PM »
In Russia started this panic!


After making yesterday in the State Duma a bill to ban all Russians traveling abroad from Russia, the financial markets and the banking system in Russia started a real panic.

From bank accounts of physical persons removed $ 2.9 billion - is the maximum amount for one day conduct of such statistics regulator stated the Russian Central Bank. As before, the Russians prefer US dollars. During the day, the demand for them has increased by 550% to $ 1.8 billion, while the euro - by 500% to $ 1.3 billion.

On the sale of all of the available US and European currencies over the past day reported a small Moscow bank teller Svetlana: "We sold today all foreign currency, both in dollars and euros."

"Real estate markets of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Croatia, Cyprus, Thailand, Spain, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, where the Russians the most eagerly snapping up" Cottage by the Sea "activated the full", - said the head of the analytical center "Indicators of the real estate market," Oleg Repchenko.

"In Russia, started a real panic. People are actively buying foreign currency to buy property abroad and trying to leave the country. Airports are crowded, people are fleeing abroad with their entire families, "- said Repchenko.

Yesterday the Russian TV channel LifeNews reported that "the State Duma introduced a bill to ban all Russians traveling abroad from the territory of Russia."
http://newsdaily.com.ua/post/775313

IF true, this could be a major event for Russians.
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« Reply #2769 on: March 06, 2015, 09:33:45 PM »
It looks like this News Daily is an aggregator rather than a reported site.

 I sincerely hope it's legit and the rats are leaving the sinking ship. :clapping:

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« Reply #2770 on: March 07, 2015, 01:20:11 AM »
Perhaps I am wrong, but I see no evidence of that, at least so far. To my knowledge here have been no bills introduced on the Duma floor, although one could have been introduced in a committee, but eventually it would have to make it to the Duma’s Committee for International Affairs before it could be brought up for a vote. That committee chair, Aleksandr Romanovich, answered rumours last year (autumn 2014) about travel bans and he denied that any were in the works.

Rarely does the Federation Council (Senate) take up such issues until they first pass through the Duma, but the two committees of the FC that would oversee such legislation are the Federation Committee on Defense and Security and the Federation Committee for Foreign Affairs.

There is a ban on certain government officials, and certain employees of the Interior Ministry, Defense Ministry, and Ministry of Emergency Situations (the Russian version of FEMA) from foreign travel, but (knock on wood), so far I am not seeing any on the horizon. In politics however, that could change on a dime.

Such a ban could also be done by executive order, but Putin would rather shift blame work with the Duma on such a ban, were that to ever be a reality.

In this war between the two states, and it is at least a regional war between them, there is a lot of misinformation, and frankly by both sides although one should given the Russians the "over the top" award thus far. Unless we see evidence, it may be safe to assume that this was part of that war.
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« Reply #2771 on: March 07, 2015, 01:24:48 AM »
The FC is busy trying to find ways to stem the financial bleeding in Crimea, assist the development of home-grown industry in the wake of Putin's "reverse sanctions" against Western products, and they're working on a bill to revise history: finding excuses to declare that Khrushchev and the Supreme Soviet of the CCCP illegally transferred to Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. They will declare it illegal, of course, leaving those with a brain to wonder what the hell took them so long if truly it was illegal--and why Soviet leaders of that era aren't declared in valid and sentenced to the Gulags posthumously (or in this case, posthumourously).
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« Reply #2772 on: March 07, 2015, 02:46:20 AM »

Exactly. So you are condemning Putler for invading Ukraine, right?
What does that have to do with democracy?
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« Reply #2773 on: March 07, 2015, 02:50:09 AM »
Perhaps I am wrong, but I see no evidence of that, at least so far. To my knowledge here have been no bills introduced on the Duma floor, although one could have been introduced in a committee, but eventually it would have to make it to the Duma’s Committee for International Affairs before it could be brought up for a vote. That committee chair, Aleksandr Romanovich, answered rumours last year (autumn 2014) about travel bans and he denied that any were in the works.

Rarely does the Federation Council (Senate) take up such issues until they first pass through the Duma, but the two committees of the FC that would oversee such legislation are the Federation Committee on Defense and Security and the Federation Committee for Foreign Affairs.

There is a ban on certain government officials, and certain employees of the Interior Ministry, Defense Ministry, and Ministry of Emergency Situations (the Russian version of FEMA) from foreign travel, but (knock on wood), so far I am not seeing any on the horizon. In politics however, that could change on a dime.

Such a ban could also be done by executive order, but Putin would rather shift blame work with the Duma on such a ban, were that to ever be a reality.

In this war between the two states, and it is at least a regional war between them, there is a lot of misinformation, and frankly by both sides although one should given the Russians the "over the top" award thus far. Unless we see evidence, it may be safe to assume that this was part of that war.
People considering the Ukrainian sources as reliable should now start to scratch their head.
If these stories which are easily verifiable are clearly fake, the reports regarding the conflict should also be considered as possibly faulty.
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« Reply #2774 on: March 07, 2015, 10:29:11 AM »
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If these stories which are easily verifiable are clearly fake, the reports regarding the conflict should also be considered as possibly faulty.

It actually isn't that difficult to sift through most of the fluff, from either side. As Ronald Reagan said, "trust but verify." While there are few Russian sources which are independent these days, there are lots of foreign journalists inside Russia and most are trustworthy, some are not. The same can be said of Ukraine.

It would be foolish however to wring our hands and dismiss everything, just because some things are faulty. In fact, although I don't give either side a blind pass, on the whole the most disinformation comes from the larger neighbor.
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