More Bad News for Russia

[msmob]

Putin call these regions the way people there call THEIR land.
Chechens were part of RF.

Wrong x 2

1/ I was in Ukraine - Donetsk in 2012 - lovely new airport - most people happy to be part of the Euro championships - The Ukraine PM turns out to be a robbing git and runs to Russia for protection and MOST Ukrainians wanted a new leader and to look to strengthening relations with Europe..... Putin has a hissy fit and stirs up hatred and fear in eth Russians in E. Ukraine / Crimea

2/ Chechn'ya expressly did not vote to join the RF in '91 ...  Approx 20 percent of folks living there were eth Russian in '90 and 3 percent , now - yet the BS reason to prevent self-determination ( protect Russians ) and bomb the capital city indiscriminately got 'forgotten' when Kyiv tried to undo the damage done by Russians causing chaos in Ukraine.

Again, I was asked a question about Kuban- I answered what I answered. Not Putin- I!

..and once again, I 'sided' with you - in that Kuban was unlikely to seek to leave the RF anytime, soon

BTW, looking at Ukraine nobody would want to leave RF.
Go read Russian forums.

That was the point of the Kremlin's action IN Ukraine ... create a mess, a frozen conflict..

[Doll]

Wrong x 2

 

..and once again, I 'sided' with you - in that Kuban was unlikely to seek to leave the RF anytime, soon


 

So what are you discussing then? There is NO link between these two subjects- none. No region WANT to leave RF.

[msmob]

So what are you discussing then? There is NO link between these two subjects- none. No region WANT to leave RF.

Sorry, Doll, but you aren't paying attention(

1/ Chech'nya got pummelled because it fought against even being a member of the RF  - Moscow has placed a puppet, there, to 'rule' .. 

2/ The Kremlin are 'fine' with meddling in Georgia ( 'Abkhazia' / S.Osettia), Moldova and Ukraine - encouraging unrest/ separatism... so why ban such talk within ?

[JayH]

As  Russia  becomes further in every way from Ukraine -- Ukrainian attitudes are changing too.
Already  2/3rd of Ukrainian population speak Ukrainian at home !
The stat below says that regardless of language -people identify as Ukrainian.

In Ukraine, the number of citizens who consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians has increased

More than 92% of Ukrainians consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians and only 5.5% are Russians. The younger respondents, the more often they position themselves as Ukrainians



http://ukr.lb.ua/news/2017/10/24/380118_ukraini_zbilshilasya_kilkist.html

[msmob]

JayH

How is your post 'bad news' for Russia ?

[Anotherkiwi]

JayH

How is your post 'bad news' for Russia ?

Presumably it means that Russia's influence is waning within Ukraine.  In 20 or 30 years' time there will be nobody left yearning for the old days when the Soviet Union ruled the roost - and Putin, in his 10th term as President, will have nobody left to reminisce with about the good ol' days when it looked like he might actually be doing some good in Russia.

[Doll]

JayH

How is your post 'bad news' for Russia ?

He is just trying to keep the thread alive when it is dead)))))))))

[JayH]

The reality is catching up in Russia .
Imagine what that % would be if Russians were able to speak freely-- and get truthfull information.


Less than half of Russians approve Moscow's support of "DPR"/"LPR"

Only 41% of Russians believe that Russia should support the so-called "DPR" and "LPR" (self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics) in the armed conflict in the east of Ukraine, according to a public opinion poll conducted by Russian NGO Levada Center on September 15-19.

Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/2214621-poll-less-than-half-of-russians-approve-moscows-support-of-dpr-lpr.html

[mhr7]

The reality is catching up in Russia .
Imagine what that % would be if Russians were able to speak freely-- and get truthfull information.

Russians can and do speak freely, they just can't protest whenever they wish. Russians have full access to the internet and many have traveled outside of the country. They're not as blind as you think they are. Exactly what "reality" is catching up with Russia? The majority of Americans disapproved of the war in Vietnam and today the majority think going into Iraq under George W Bush was a mistake. Unnecessary conflicts usually aren't popular.

[Doll]

Mhr7,

here 

  Head Office of UNIAN
01001, Kyiv, 4 Khreshchatyk street

[mhr7]

Mhr7,

here 

  Head Office of UNIAN
01001, Kyiv, 4 Khreshchatyk street

Yes, another one of Jay's "reliable" sources 

[Doll]

Yes, another one of Jay's "reliable" sources 

Sure-  Non-governmental organizations (located in Kiev)))))))))))))))))
 

[Doll]

The reality is catching up in Russia .

I am sorry- what reality?

[Boethius]

UNIAN is a news agency, not an NGO.

Americans who protested hastened America’s withdrawal from Vietnam. It seems to me if one cannot protest, one does not really have freedom.

[Doll]

UNIAN is a news agency, not an NGO.

Americans who protested hastened Americ’s withdrawal from Vietnam. It seems to me if one cannot protest, one does not really have freedom.

You need to read the WHOLE sentence- they can't protest WHENEVER they want. There are certain rules that regulate it- they make sense (to me).



There IS no difference if UNIAN is an agency or anything else. You need yo know the realia of both Russia and Ukraine  and not to trust everything that in on Internet.
Want to know what Russians feel and think? Go read Russian forums.
Here is the link to an ordinary provincial forum  http://forums.kuban.ru/
Read and enjoy watching horrible bad news for Russia

[Boethius]

I made no comment on the article or UNIAN in general. Just pointed out it is not an NGO.

Euromaidanpress does not report. It translates others’ articles.

The requirement to register and obtain permission to demonstrate is anti democratic and a restriction on freedom.

[GQBlues]

 


CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, etc...are 'news' agencies, too.

[Boethius]

No, they aren’t. Associated Press is a news agency. Reuters is a news agency.

[GQBlues]

No, they aren’t. Associated Press is a news agency. Reuters is a news agency.

You mean like this? Doesn't really matter if they commission their reports, or do the actual reporting (sic) - it's what is in the 'context' what is being 'reported', isn't it? Much less fact based or a lack thereof...

[Boethius]

News agencies aggregate news.  ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., don't.  I don't really care about anyone's perspectives on their accuracy.

[GQBlues]

News agencies aggregate news.  ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., don't.  I don't really care about anyone's perspectives on their accuracy.

Now you say that....you not only bit hook, line and sinker with the silly 'dossier' BS, you actually posted ad nauseum about it's 'legitimacy' voraciously on this board.

[Boethius]

What dossier?  I have posted about Ukraine, and the information I've posted is largely accurate. 

[GQBlues]

What dossier?

Another typical liberal maneuver.

[Boethius]

I have no idea what you're referring to.  Dossier on Yanukovych?  Yes, I'm interested in that.  On Trump? How many posts do you note by me on Trump?  He's elected.  He's the president.  I am not particularly interested in debating US domestic issues.

[calmissile]

I made no comment on the article or UNIAN in general. Just pointed out it is not an NGO.

Euromaidanpress does not report. It translates others’ articles.

The requirement to register and obtain permission to demonstrate is anti democratic and a restriction on freedom.

I think it's a fine line.  The constitution and bill of rights deals with individual liberties for the most part.  Those organizing protests should have to have a permit in order that law enforcement can have time to plan for crowd control, traffic control, etc.