Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Married => Topic started by: lordtiberius on February 09, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
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1) She loves our roads but hates the way we dress.
2) You have to fight for love.
3) Getting married not only opens your eyes to new experiences but opens your eyes to new insights into your past.
4) Behind every great man is an even better woman and yet without us, they would be old maids.
5) Ukrainian women are very expensive.
6) There has to be some moral restraint on your behavior. Our culture is increasing solipsistic, tyrannical, intolerant and unstable. Only family and IMHO religion offer an escape to certain cultural doom.
7) Did I mention expensive?
8) There are hidden bonuses to a woman who always tells the truth.
9) have a sense of a humor
To the good ones who are going to look, still looking and have stopped looking, God Bless Ya!
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Given your post title, I take it that you are now hitched?
If so, congratulations and many years!
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5) Ukrainian women are very expensive.
7) Did I mention expensive?
How so? Did she come from a wealthy family or normal Ukrainian family?
But, congratulations!
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How so? Did she come from a wealthy family or normal Ukrainian family?
She is not from an oligarch family. What I found out the hard way is that this adaptation is not one-sided. Any woman who comes over from anywhere will experience culture shock and loneliness for about a year. I know a few Ukrainian-westerners who advised me that Ukrainian women are expensive. I don't want to make any undue generalizations based on my limited experiences, but I think it is because she is European. They just have higher expectations than I think we do. I wish I had a more intelligent answer.
But, congratulations!
Thank you! Hopefully others can learn from the myriad of mistakes I made. Wisdom!
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She is not from an oligarch family. What I found out the hard way is that this adaptation is not one-sided. Any woman who comes over from anywhere will experience culture shock and loneliness for about a year. I know a few Ukrainian-westerners who advised me that Ukrainian women are expensive. I don't want to make any undue generalizations based on my limited experiences, but I think it is because she is European. They just have higher expectations than I think we do. I wish I had a more intelligent answer.
Thank you! Hopefully others can learn from the myriad of mistakes I made. Wisdom!
It depends on what you call expensive. The basic idea in many parts of Europe is that a single high quality item beats many inexpensive ones. While the initial cost may be above what you are used to, the long run cost will be considerably less.
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It depends on what you call expensive.
I would absolutely agree with that statement. My only point being a difference of perspectives. I tend to buy cheap throw away stuff. That can be costly in the long run.
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Congratulations! I wish you both the best!!!
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and I'd disagree with 5 and 7 ;)
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and I'd disagree with 5 and 7 ;)
Congratulations LT!
...echoing what Jumper said. At least Siberian women, from my experience.
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Congratulations LT!
...echoing what Jumper said. At least Siberian women, from my experience.
Ha ha ha,
You know what you men are right.
It beats the alternative. It's cheaper to keep her.
I am 40. So I am a bit more slower to overreact to nonsense than when I wore a younger man's clothes. But I am less adaptable so I have to work on that. Making her happy makes me happy. That is new for me. She has already improved my life. I am 20 pounds lighter since she has come over, unfortunately I am still a pretty big boy. She is a good woman. My parents like her more than me, is that true for you? Maybe it's because I am so lovable . . .
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5) Ukrainian women are very expensive.
What are the latest quoted prices; assuming standard model with the most common options.
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Hey LT--fill us in a little more-- it is all sounding very good--but I do not want to be premature here.
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Hey LT--fill us in a little more-- it is all sounding very good--but I do not want to be premature here.
What do you want to know?
I wake up everyday with the thought that it could fall apart in an instant despite my best efforts. Maybe that's wrong, but's me.
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I don't find my Ukrainian wife expensive, and she likes nice things.
I also had a talk to her about money and cost of life here.
She tends to be a good shopper and finds deals on good stuff.
She knows I would spend more, but it never happens.
But its all relative, without examples.
WHen you say expensive, what are you talking about?
wants the 120 shoes or 800 shoes?
Fur coats? New 120k car?
Again its relative if you make 50 k a year or 200k.
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LT congratulations :)
Congratulations LT!
DISAGREE WITH 5 & 7
...echoing what Jumper said. At least Siberian women, from my experience.
agree +100%
LT my wife likes to choose well and buy good quality , things that will last for ages over time and give our family /home good value on the money spent
LT I wake up everyday with the thought that it could fall apart in an instant despite my best efforts. Maybe that's wrong, but's me
LT , have faith not fear my man ;)
you are your familys anchor rock , be that man , stick to your agreed plan and stay confident , patient , understanding and loving , , dont flinch from it , dont second guess you or your wifes committment to each other no matter what ,
insecurity feeds on itself, so stop it dead if it creeps in at any time ,
the next year or two will be your hardest, understanding this fully will be your test,
together , you will grow & it will deepen between you and you will reap the reward if you stay the course,
best wishes SX
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It is only expensive if you buy the wrong wife !!
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I am 40. So I am a bit more slower to overreact to nonsense than when I wore a younger man's clothes.
You would need an Image consultant if you need help. Any image consultants would advise you to wear clothes at your own age!
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What do you want to know?
I wake up everyday with the thought that it could fall apart in an instant despite my best efforts. Maybe that's wrong, but's me.
As long as you are both making good effort, you should get lose those fears, relax and enjoy each others company :)
It seems a done deal,but you were not completely clear if you are married, or in the K1's, 90 day stage.
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LT,
Congratulations. :applause:
I wake up everyday with the thought that it could fall apart in an instant despite my best efforts. Maybe that's wrong, but's me.
I hope this is nothing more than adjustment to each other and her adjustment to America.
Stop worrying. I am sure you have many fine qualities that she finds wonderful. Instead of worrying, embrace waking up and starting a new day with someone who is the delight of your heart.
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LT congratulations :)
agree +100%
LT my wife likes to choose well and buy good quality , things that will last for ages over time and give our family /home good value on the money spent
LT , have faith not fear my man ;)
you are your familys anchor rock , be that man , stick to your agreed plan and stay confident , patient , understanding and loving , , dont flinch from it , dont second guess you or your wifes committment to each other no matter what ,
insecurity feeds on itself, so stop it dead if it creeps in at any time ,
the next year or two will be your hardest, understanding this fully will be your test,
together , you will grow & it will deepen between you and you will reap the reward if you stay the course,
best wishes SX
This has been the advice I have been returning to for further digestion. Thank you!
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She is not from an oligarch family. What I found out the hard way is that this adaptation is not one-sided. Any woman who comes over from anywhere will experience culture shock and loneliness for about a year. I know a few Ukrainian-westerners who advised me that Ukrainian women are expensive. I don't want to make any undue generalizations based on my limited experiences, but I think it is because she is European. They just have higher expectations than I think we do. I wish I had a more intelligent answer.
Thank you! Hopefully others can learn from the myriad of mistakes I made. Wisdom!
All women are expensive. It's in their DNA. You'll adjust, learn to when to turn her loose or reign her in based on your realities.
I am 40. So I am a bit more slower to overreact to nonsense than when I wore a younger man's clothes. But I am less adaptable so I have to work on that. Making her happy makes me happy. That is new for me. She has already improved my life.
That is an excellent statement LT and one that only most guys that feel it, would actually make it. When you feel that in most instances, you'll find that she will reciprocate those feelings. That statement alone tells me you have turned a vital corner in your relationship.
Stop worrying that it could end tomorrow because, indeed it could. Rather enjoy the day and the knowledge that you love her and she loves you. It could all be gone tomorrow, of your doing or not. Worry about the things you can affect forget about those you can't.
Congrats btw :clapping:
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Ha ha ha,
You know what you men are right.
It beats the alternative. It's cheaper to keep her.
I am 40. So I am a bit more slower to overreact to nonsense than when I wore a younger man's clothes. But I am less adaptable so I have to work on that. Making her happy makes me happy. That is new for me. She has already improved my life. I am 20 pounds lighter since she has come over, unfortunately I am still a pretty big boy. She is a good woman. My parents like her more than me, is that true for you? Maybe it's because I am so lovable . . .
Hmm... 20 pounds is about 40 USD, hardly expensive ;D
Congratulations on starting the hard work, and hopefully it will last a long time.
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My wife loves Luisa Spagngoli. Once a year we'll 'splurge' for this or that at the store dropping $500 or so. Quality stuff but after 10 years the first have landed in the clothes collection box to be turned into rags... maybe I'll have to turn her on to ebay LOL
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LT,
as you are now finding out the first year or two is really when the hard work begins for most relationships , having faith/trust in each other and keeping the romance alive as you both adjust to the day to day realities of living together
i found if i stayed confident , patient, understanding and loving /caring even in sometimes trying situations , it kept all the small stuff , well small ,
allowing even a little bit of anxiety or stress to creep in and second guess things, was a killer , my wifes radar on my moods was very fine tuned and she would pick up on it , every time !! this had a chain reaction to her moods etc &our early interaction ,
it was only sometimes , but it was essential to have faith not fear until we really melded into each other over the first year or so
people often look for some agenda or motives, in others , , humans seem to need to have an answer for everything , often it is simply making someone else happy that is making us happy and more positive people ourselves
SX
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LT,
as you are now finding out the first year or two is really when the hard work begins for most relationships , having faith/trust in each other and keeping the romance alive as you both adjust to the day to day realities of living together
i found if i stayed confident , patient, understanding and loving /caring even in sometimes trying situations , it kept all the small stuff , well small ,
allowing even a little bit of anxiety or stress to creep in and second guess things, was a killer , my wifes radar on my moods was very fine tuned and she would pick up on it , every time !! this had a chain reaction to her moods etc &our early interaction ,
it was only sometimes , but it was essential to have faith not fear until we really melded into each other over the first year or so
people often look for some agenda or motives, in others , , humans seem to need to have an answer for everything , often it is simply making someone else happy that is making us happy and more positive people ourselves
SX
SX,
Thank you for your heartfelt letter. Many things that you wrote are worthy of consideration. Here are some of the points I would like to go over:
1) "as you are now finding out the first year or two is really when the hard work begins for most relationships"
Relationships don't get real IMO or IMHO unless they tend toward marriage. It just got real like yesterday.
2) "having faith/trust in each other and keeping the romance alive as you both adjust to the day to day realities of living together"
She is a good woman and deserves my best effort. Keeping romance alive. Romance - eros - amour - love . . .
Conversation - it is a lost art. Conversation is the art of giving and receiving pleasure. . . .
Give and take and negotiations, you know I spent a lot of time but really only a year and half in the middle east. Jesus is from there. I have to remind myself of that fact when I think of how many of my friends found their end there.
digression
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCj0QM7UTFE
where was I?
THIS IS THE GREAT CRISIS.
3) "i found if i stayed confident , patient, understanding and loving /caring even in sometimes trying situations , it kept all the small stuff , well small ,"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIYpVJNIW-o
"patient, understanding and loving"
4) "allowing even a little bit of anxiety or stress to creep in and second guess things, was a killer , my wifes radar on my moods was very fine tuned and she would pick up on it , every time !! this had a chain reaction to her moods etc &our early interaction ,
it was only sometimes , but it was essential to have faith not fear until we really melded into each other over the first year or so "
see point 3
I don't know what else to say except this. Most Ukrainian women seem to glamourize foreign men over native borns because of the dire of the rationing of political and economic situation. I would only remind the reader that this favorable trade wind has consequences on the voyage home.
LT,
Congratulations. :applause:
I hope this is nothing more than adjustment to each other and her adjustment to America.
Stop worrying. I am sure you have many fine qualities that she finds wonderful. Instead of worrying, embrace waking up and starting a new day with someone who is the delight of your heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ9A3GCL7jU&noredirect=1
You live like a punk. You go out like a punk.
:cluebat: ;) :D ;D
I am in South Florida. Betsy hates gators more almost as much as our other friends
Hmm... 20 pounds is about 40 USD, hardly expensive ;D
Congratulations on starting the hard work, and hopefully it will last a long time.
We have something in common. You have my admiration. You have your ranger tab.
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It just got real like yesterday.
Congratulations!
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Thanks man.
Day by day, a lot of issues, simple stuff, complicated stuff or maybe not so complicated.
One of the things I did not anticipate was the cultural issues. Her perspective is distinctly European. Eastern Europeans do share some things in common with Western Europeans that do not relate very well to North Americans - specifically us Southern Canadians. We Americans tend to look at things with a black and out - 1 and 0 point of view. Sometimes Slavs overly complicate things that are in my opinion fairly simple.
I apologize to some readers who annoyed at how coy I am about her and for my meltdown earlier. But I cannot say much about her because she is not like me. She doesn't want stuff said about her and yet I feel a need to talk about this stuff because if my story can help someone good. And yet her finally being here is very stressful. She is going through the cultural shock of being here and I have to reorient my life for someone beyond myself and my small dog.
I will say this about Bets. God knows all the hairs on my head. She knows all the ones up my nose.
We have a lot of differences, expectations, goals, values, age, gender, culture, language, geography. Trying to make that all work without putting band aids and letting things fester and doing the work to make a marriage and a partnership work - its real work. I am not good at partnerships. Partnerships are tough particularly in a world that celebrates and almost encourages Solipsism and cultural laziness. I have to re-evaluate my own view and approach to doing things and that is painful. But there's another side of me that says I really should have done this sooner - not just marrying or festish-sizing a culture of women like Chinese, Ukrainian or Latin women - but just settling this aspect of my life. Then again, I am glad I didn't settle down at various points of my life because I would have gotten stuck. It's all gray.
With me, and I am sure it is different for you, but I take every day as a blessing and hope for a better tomorrow.
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She doesn't want stuff said about her
I hear that. 8) My SO reads all( she is so smart,beautiful and wonderful)
It is very good that you realize some changes need to be made. Thanks for the update.
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I hear that. 8) My SO reads all( she is so smart,beautiful and wonderful)
It is very good that you realize some changes need to be made. Thanks for the update.
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LT-- that's all life stuff-- no one ever said this was easy!! Sounds like she is stretching your mind !! LOL
Still not sure what level of congratulations I should be making !! LOL ;D
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I apologize to some readers ......for my meltdown earlier.
MELTDOWN? I must have missed that earlier. Don't get so emotional. Sounds like you're stressing. Don't stress. It won't help your lady adjust to her new life and it may make it even worse. She's depending on you to lead.
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First, I have to say congratulations on your marriage. May you have many, many happy years together.
One of the things I did not anticipate was the cultural issues.
I am a bit surprised by this, as one of the topics that keep coming up on such forums are the cultural issues.
[size=78%]She is going through the cultural shock of being here and I have to reorient my life for someone beyond myself and my small dog.[/size]
Yes, and don't expect it to go away quickly. It can take a good year for the worst to pass and even after that elements will linger for much longer.
I am not good at partnerships.
You will definitely have to work on this.
I have to re-evaluate my own view and approach to doing things and that is painful. But there's another side of me that says I really should have done this sooner - not just marrying or festish-sizing a culture of women like Chinese, Ukrainian or Latin women - but just settling this aspect of my life.
This is certainly an important first step.
With me, and I am sure it is different for you, but I take every day as a blessing and hope for a better tomorrow.
This is a very positive way to look at things. That, plus, patience, patience and even more patience...
Good luck to you and remember when you are in the worst of culture shock storm, this too shall pass :)
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Thanks man.
Day by day, a lot of issues, simple stuff, complicated stuff or maybe not so complicated.
One of the things I did not anticipate was the cultural issues. Her perspective is distinctly European. Eastern Europeans do share some things in common with Western Europeans that do not relate very well to North Americans - specifically us Southern Canadians. We Americans tend to look at things with a black and out - 1 and 0 point of view. Sometimes Slavs overly complicate things that are in my opinion fairly simple.
I apologize to some readers who annoyed at how coy I am about her and for my meltdown earlier. But I cannot say much about her because she is not like me. She doesn't want stuff said about her and yet I feel a need to talk about this stuff because if my story can help someone good. And yet her finally being here is very stressful. She is going through the cultural shock of being here and I have to reorient my life for someone beyond myself and my small dog.
I will say this about Bets. God knows all the hairs on my head. She knows all the ones up my nose.
We have a lot of differences, expectations, goals, values, age, gender, culture, language, geography. Trying to make that all work without putting band aids and letting things fester and doing the work to make a marriage and a partnership work - its real work. I am not good at partnerships. Partnerships are tough particularly in a world that celebrates and almost encourages Solipsism and cultural laziness. I have to re-evaluate my own view and approach to doing things and that is painful. But there's another side of me that says I really should have done this sooner - not just marrying or festish-sizing a culture of women like Chinese, Ukrainian or Latin women - but just settling this aspect of my life. Then again, I am glad I didn't settle down at various points of my life because I would have gotten stuck. It's all gray.
With me, and I am sure it is different for you, but I take every day as a blessing and hope for a better tomorrow.
I am rather surprised at this.
From day 1, Ochka and I have not really had any serious cultural issues.
Oh, yes, there was the differences of opinion concerning bread; but that wasn't as big a deal as many here made it out to be.
I simply cannot imagine what all these adjustment problems are about.
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I simply cannot imagine what all these adjustment problems are about.
Count your blessings ;) But, I would say that it is always best to prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised should it not happen.
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Count your blessings ;) But, I would say that it is always best to prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised should it not happen.
I agree, yet so far, I have been in ML's boat, very little issues.
I read all there was to read about what could happen. So far it has been
a pleasant surprise, but a ways to go yet.
LT remain positive, as said above, she expects you to lead, be the man.
You are all she has at the moment, your help and support are crucial.
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The Ukrainians say that the man is the head of the family and the woman is the neck. When I told that to another American he said that the man wears the pants in the family but she wears the panties.
We are wrestling with the culture shock and other issues. Apparently I have some other unresolved issues related to my health I need to deal with now. Work is for the first time in my life a very welcome escape. Imagine Don Draper was poor, in the 21st century and if she gained 150 lbs and was on meth for five years and thrown into a situation parroting a Talking Heads song from the Stop Making Sense album and that's my life. And yet, I still love that pint size terrorist.
Today I found a favorable trade wind. Every time I said yes to her, it ended up costing me and costing. And then finally I put my foot down and said no only to say yes a couple of days later. We did some research into what she wanted to do and it turns out that there is no way in God's green earth that we can viably execute what she wants to do. Now I am in a most favorable position I have been since she set foot on this continent.
These Slavs can be stubborn and over-complicate things that are really simple.
Slava Ukrainia!
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The Ukrainians say that the man is the head of the family and the woman is the neck. When I told that to another American he said that the man wears the pants in the family but she wears the panties.
We are wrestling with the culture shock and other issues. Apparently I have some other unresolved issues related to my health I need to deal with now. Work is for the first time in my life a very welcome escape. Imagine Don Draper was poor, in the 21st century and if she gained 150 lbs and was on meth for five years and thrown into a situation parroting a Talking Heads song from the Stop Making Sense album and that's my life. And yet, I still love that pint size terrorist.
Today I found a favorable trade wind. Every time I said yes to her, it ended up costing me and costing. And then finally I put my foot down and said no only to say yes a couple of days later. We did some research into what she wanted to do and it turns out that there is no way in God's green earth that we can viably execute what she wants to do. Now I am in a most favorable position I have been since she set foot on this continent.
These Slavs can be stubborn and over-complicate things that are really simple.
Slava Ukrainia!
So it's safe to state that you now understand why getting through the K-1 process isn't the end but only the beginning? ;D
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So it's safe to state that you now understand why getting through the K-1 process isn't the end but only the beginning?
+1000
jeez reading some of this makes me laugh , i know i should not ,all the early profiles, dating/ meeting , visa , travel is the easy part ,
but it is upon arring /living together that the real work begins , ;)
SX
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Where did I ever write that any of this was easy? Cite it chapter and verse please? The only thing I wrote and it wasn't on this forum but the other ones was that this was not as hard as the old bulls let on. This is not rocket science, it's life.
For the record, I hate these relationship threads. I usually comment on the policy wonk threads - duh!
My only advice for the crazy brave TONIGHT is to find your inner Petruchio. You will need him.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qOKpQr5AFd4/TQde0iTrlZI/AAAAAAAABEs/dbfky_NcJDY/s1600/ABC%2BV%2BPIC%2B5.jpg)
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Where did I ever write that any of this was easy? Cite it chapter and verse please? The only thing I wrote and it wasn't on this forum but the other ones was that this was not as hard as the old bulls let on. This is not rocket science, it's life.
For the record, I hate these relationship threads. I usually comment on the policy wonk threads - duh!
My only advice for the crazy brave TONIGHT is to find your inner Petruchio. You will need him.
Who said you did? What the old bulls have been eluding to is that, it isn't hard but, it isn't all peaches and cream either and the that the K-1 is the walk in the park. Marrying the right woman makes all of the difference. This is what makes the trek of finding the right woman all that much more important that the numb skulls often do not understand early in the process. There is a method to the madness and many of the old bulls do know of what they speak. It's only those who eventually become "the old bulls" that understand that.
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Like I said. Point to something I said and I wrote about you or about where I said any of this is easy on this forum. As far as the other one is concerned, I stopped posting on that one six months ago.
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Like I said. Point to something I said and I wrote about you or about where I said any of this is easy on this forum. As far as the other one is concerned, I stopped posting on that one six months ago.
Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Who said you did? But, you have repeatedly referred to the old bulls, the old guard yadda, yadda, yadda ad nausea. Most have had your own interest in mind yet, it's hard to fathom from that POV
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So to be clear, you are making a strawman argument correct?
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So to be clear, you are making a strawman argument correct?
Methinks thou dost protest too much (in keeping with the Shakespeare theme of some of your recent posts).
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So to be clear, you are making a strawman argument correct?
Define strawman argument
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Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Who said you did? But, you have repeatedly referred to the old bulls, the old guard yadda, yadda, yadda ad nausea. Most have had your own interest in mind yet, it's hard to fathom from that POV
agree 100% with FP
LT , dont take it so personally , my comment re its not easy was a general one to all of the readers who have not yet had that experience which you are now living
this forum is about discussion & informing others where possible to members experience etc etc
my posts are often written with that in mind , as a general info ,
so relax ;)
if you look at my track record of posting i generally offer more positive posts designed to give you reflective thoughts of experience & advice /help ,
not everyone is biting your ankles as you walk this path LT
SX
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if you look at my track record of posting i generally offer more positive posts designed to give you reflective thoughts of experience & advice /help ,
not everyone is biting your ankles as you walk this path LT
SX
+100% !! :) Aussies would rather help everyone rather than assasinate them !! SX offers excellent common sense advice!! ;D
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not everyone is biting your ankles as you walk this path LT
SX
I did this emotional jug exercise.
http://participant.pairs.com/when_someone_you_love_is_sad
Where I dug deep and shared out loud what I was afraid of. I confessed that I am afraid that I am not even honest enough to myself about my own problems that I will never get them resolved. That's pretty scary. Imagine walking around your whole life with a tattoo on your face that every one can see but you. You can't be that way in relationship.
There is a lot going on in the relationship that is quite kinetic. They are not for the forum because I have no perspective and they are unresolved issues. For some people, it is wine and roses. Some people mitigated their risks by taken well trod paths and practices. I encourage that process whether it is refining what those steps should be or the act of following what should be done.
One of the things that you have to be prepared for if you are starting out is that you have to be prepared that this could go trainwreck. Also I would say that relationships are built on communication and trust. The common language is a big bonus. But understand that there are still important cultural issues. Here are a few minor ones. Ukrainians don't put in ice in their drinks and if their feet get cold they get sick. They eat a lot of soaps. I lived in Arizona most of my life I couldn't tell you when I ordered soap. The AC is always on and I never used a towel to dry out. Those collisions seem minor. But there is so many of these collisions and if you live in Ukraine for a year or a number of years, you will have those collisions too as will she. Understand that this process will take at least a year - maybe longer.
And you cannot anticipate or mitigate this stuff. You just have to meet that wave head on. I don't know what to say except that mine is not a wine and roses case.
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One of the things that you have to be prepared for if you are starting out is that you have to be prepared that this could go trainwreck. Also I would say that relationships are built on communication and trust.
Certainly it could. What you "should" do at this stage is make sure that it isn't you insuring a train wreck ensues. Relationships are built on communication and trust. Make sure she can trust you even if the communication is lacking. She has to trust you, much more than you need to trust her.
And you cannot anticipate or mitigate this stuff. You just have to meet that wave head on. I don't know what to say except that mine is not a wine and roses case. Understand that this process will take at least a year - maybe longer.
One day at a time. Do everything you can to make her life easier because it's tough. Whether you make it easier isn't the point. It's that you want to.
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They eat a lot of soaps? What exactly do you mean?
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LT - Understand that this process will take at least a year - maybe longer.
And you cannot anticipate or mitigate this stuff. You just have to meet that wave head on. I don't know what to say except that mine is not a wine and roses case.
LT
mate , i dont think many couples actually experience the wine & roses at the start either, at least not in long extended bloom periods , without some bumps ;D
there are exceptions though , for most id think like ours was , it is a mix of bliss, romance, patience, trust understanding , learning , reflection on ones self , thoughts, intents and actions , and for small periods, possibly intense flare ups , of stubborness on both parts ,
the first two years will be a trial for many , after that you both usually grow together towards each other much more deeply that at the start ,,comfortable and your love deepens over time or you grow apart slowly
much of what you are pondering is par for the course imho , given how varied the experiences can be in this international relationship game
SX
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They eat a lot of soaps? What exactly do you mean?
I figured "soup" . In Spanish, "sopa" = soup, no?
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I figured "soup" . In Spanish, "sopa" = soup, no?
Ah, that makes sense. Gracias :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQZARNkCWLY
Reader,
It is looking like train wreck. You must prepare yourself for the possibility and hit that wave and defeated or be defeated AND win or lose rise up.
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It is looking like train wreck.
LT in what context are you meaning here ?/
your marriage ? or the unfolding ukraine situation ?
SX