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RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on February 25, 2019, 03:48:46 AM

Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 25, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
by and large,

Not proper English, from a Solicitor no less ;D
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 04:33:39 AM
Not proper English, from a Solicitor no less ;D

Trench you are really an utter ARSE

"By and large" is an OLD ENGLISH sailing term ... meaning having to adjust the sails from tight ( close - hauled ) to easing - loosening - as the conditions change  - in general , overall ...

At least we TRY to help you learn on here - you can be grateful ;)

Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 25, 2019, 07:24:13 AM
Trench you are really an utter ARSE

"By and large" is an OLD ENGLISH sailing term ... meaning having to adjust the sails from tight ( close - hauled ) to easing - loosening - as the conditions change  - in general , overall ...

At least we TRY to help you learn on here - you can be grateful ;)

Not proper English Mobe, any decent English Teacher would correct you on it as it is known as an ambiguous term.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
Not proper English Mobe, any decent English Teacher would correct you on it as it is known as an ambiguous term.

Now you 'd 'blame' your teacher for your ignorance ? ....   :rolleyes:

Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Boethius on February 25, 2019, 01:20:01 PM
"By and large" is a perfectly acceptable idiom, per the Cambridge Dictionary, among others, and Strunk and White's Elements of Style.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 25, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
Idioms For Idiots  by Rus Mat a.k.a. “Krimster”

в общем и целом

yalky palky
coming feature, "We’re all gonna be in Grozny one sunny day!!!"

slovo!
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 25, 2019, 04:43:43 PM
"By and large" is a perfectly acceptable idiom, per the Cambridge Dictionary, among others, and Strunk and White's Elements of Style.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Not traditionally, its not doubt a recent 'update' to the dictionary. Traditionally it was considered ambigous and poor English. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense, what does 'by' and 'large' mean together in its compostion. Separately their meaing is apparent but together in that phrase its pure gobbly-gook. Meaning has been derided from the term 'by and large' over time but that was originally not termed good English and instead better to use the terms the user was trying to convey.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Boethius on February 25, 2019, 05:14:31 PM
Elements of Style was first printed in 1918.


"By and large" is used in the Oxford Style Guide, the BBC Style Guide, and the Concise Oxford Companion to Good English.

I would not use the phrase in formal writing, but on a forum, absolutely.  There is nothing wrong with it.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: BdHvA on February 25, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Elements of Style was first printed in 1918.


"By and large" is used in the Oxford Style Guide, the BBC Style Guide, and the Concise Oxford Companion to Good English.

I would not use the phrase in formal writing, but on a forum, absolutely.  There is nothing wrong with it.

By and large or full and by. Both are nautical terms that are now common English expressions. Only an ignoramous would question this. They have been used since the second half of the 19th century in day to day English.

Trench really why not face your ignorance with the same vigor that you use trying to score some brownie point.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 05:47:35 PM
why not face your ignorance with the same vigor that you use trying to score some brownie point.

Hmm, you might like to try your sound advice to the face you see when you shave ....you aren't the sharpest tool in the box, either re knowing when you're wrong



Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: BdHvA on February 25, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
Hmm, you might like to try your sound advice to the face you see when you shave ....you aren't the sharpest tool in the box, either re knowing when you're wrong

Moby you pathetic thing. I do not claim to know everything. But I am not not
on forums a serial liar who will swerve to avoid answering a question.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 06:45:59 PM
Moby you pathetic thing. I do not claim to know everything. But I am not not
on forums a serial liar who will swerve to avoid answering a question.

..and there we have it - AGAIN

The '' 'serial liar'  riposte " offered by the guy who spectacularly fails to offer up ONE demonstrable fib ....   hence my comment ...

As to 'swerving' ...  EVERY time I pick you up on your oft-repeated fib - you disappear for a while ... hoping I'll 'forget' !    :popcorn:






Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: 2tallbill on February 26, 2019, 11:59:29 AM
Hmm, you might like to try your sound advice to the face you see when you shave ....you aren't the sharpest tool in the box, either re knowing when you're wrong

Hijack Alert !!!

Moby is doing it again. You are now officially 37% as bad as Trench at hijacking others threads
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 26, 2019, 02:13:30 PM
Hijack Alert !!!

Moby is doing it again. You are now officially 37% as bad as Trench at hijacking others threads

Dear Beel

It's STILL way over your head ...
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: DCcowboy on February 27, 2019, 02:10:53 PM
Hijack Alert !!!

Moby is doing it again. You are now officially 37% as bad as Trench at hijacking others threads
ditto.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 27, 2019, 05:14:49 PM
DCcowboy

Let me help you 'understand'

BdhvA has a long history of following me around forums - accusing me of fibbing  and I simply took a pop back - as he has never EVER backed up his repeated ASSertions with fact

So, please excuse my boring you
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: JayH on February 27, 2019, 05:36:37 PM
DCcowboy

Let me help you 'understand'

BdhvA has a long history of following me around forums - accusing me of fibbing  and I simply took a pop back - as he has never EVER backed up his repeated ASSertions with fact

So, please excuse my boring you

What a cry baby you are. You relentlessly  troll member after member  with your self righteous crap  and when someone ( 2 T in this case)  points it out ( again) you cry the hurt.
There must be at least 100 people here who would agree with all that! :deadhorse: :cluebat:

You accuse Av-- fact is it is the other around !

Moby you pathetic thing. I do not claim to know everything. But I am not not
on forums a serial liar who will swerve to avoid answering a question.

..and there we have it - AGAIN

The '' 'serial liar'  riposte " offered by the guy who spectacularly fails to offer up ONE demonstrable fib ....   hence my comment ...

As to 'swerving' ...  EVERY time I pick you up on your oft-repeated fib - you disappear for a while ... hoping I'll 'forget' !    :popcorn:


I have demonstrated you did lie --- and instead of offering up some confirming material  to prove me wrong -- you offer bluster and pulp bs to cover your lie.
That is just one example -- there are many more.

The problem is carrying your BS across many threads that adds nothing to the specific topic-- and even less to the forum as a whole .
The net result =  many bored with threads and ultimately the forum. Wasting time on a cretin like Moby is something most of us do not need.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Boethius on February 27, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
Girls, girls . . . you're all c**ts. :P  

Please drop the personal vendettas and move on.  Or confine them to a Blah Blah thread.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 27, 2019, 11:14:59 PM
What a cry baby you are.
I have demonstrated you did lie
That is just one example -- there are many more.



 :ROFL:

Poor JayH

 You have never 'proved' anything of the sort ... You have accused me of 'fibbing' - many times - normally just after I have proven that one of your cut and paste ' news' items was nonsense .. :popcorn:

From telling us Crimea hadn't  'been mapped' to telling us you knew more about mapping software and when I 'wasn't in Crimea', you are a hoot ..

Now THIS is a lie

This my arse ...

(http://i.imgur.com/snskBlu.jpg)

NOW I have just read Boethius post ... Mods feel free to delete move as appropriate









Title: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: JayH on February 28, 2019, 03:04:18 AM




From telling us Crimea hadn't  'been mapped' to telling us you knew more about mapping software and when I 'wasn't in Crimea', you are a hoot ..

There is another BLATANT LIE  -- 2 in fact

I have never said either of those things  -- I did say you were not there at a time you claimed ie you lied  to attempt to "support"  your story.

What I said (for the record) was something like -"it was not mapped" at the time I was referring to-- which was 2010 in fact. The truly dumb is you wanting to tell me what MY GPS was doing !

At the time and  many times since that "discussion"   you have attempted to distort and misrepresent what I actually said -- because you know you were trapped in a lie-- and all you have done since I made that accusation is try and  distort what it was about -- all that instead of offering one piece of supporting evidence.

Fact is Moby-- there today is your lie telling in plain sight.

Also note --Moby cannot just leave something alone and just shut up-- and stop diverting threads to be about him.


Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2019, 05:12:32 AM
There is another BLATANT LIE  -- 2 in fact

I have never said either of those things  -- I did say you were not there at a time you claimed ie you lied  to attempt to "support"  your story.

Ri-ight ..So I'll add 'memory loss issues' to your penchant for telling other folks they've not been where they've been

What I said (for the record) was something like -"it was not mapped" at the time I was referring to-- which was 2010 in fact. The truly dumb is you wanting to tell me what MY GPS was doing !

The 'truly dumb' tried to tell the readers that I wasn't in Crimea when I was and 'lectured' someone who licences mapping software .... 
   
At the time and  many times since that "discussion"   you have attempted to distort and misrepresent what I actually said -- because you know you were trapped in a lie-- and all you have done since I made that accusation is try and  distort what it was about -- all that instead of offering one piece of supporting evidence.

Fact is Moby-- there today is your lie telling in plain sight.

The FACT is that telling people they weren't / where they were and what they were / weren't doing is a mite silly - seeing that person IS the person that would know ? ..... 

A FIB is constantly repeating such nonsense - and compounding it by suggesting Crimea wasn't 'mapped' .. I did suggest OpenStreeMaps would confirm what you refuse to accept


Also note --Moby cannot just leave something alone and just shut up-- and stop diverting threads to be about him.



You are as bad as the person who tells me I've not met Jeremy Clarkson twice and didn't rescue him from the roadside in Pays de Calais when his De Tomaso Pantera broke down whilst dressed as Fred Flintstone .. He tells everyone I'm 'lying' because I can't 'prove' something ( to his satisfaction ) with a photo from nearly 30 years ago ....

I'm 'sorry' ... JayH wants to make stuff up / call people fibbers and be left alone ? !

Newsflash ... if you suggest as such - don't be surprised if it gets mentioned
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: GenMish on February 28, 2019, 05:48:50 AM
Moved from Ukrainian Neo Nazi thread

If someone would believe a major Hotel and Casino entrepreneur is a xenophobe, then they would actually believe Ukrainians harbor only a fraction of the anti Semitism of their FSU neighbors. {rolling eyes and shaking head}

My first visit to Russia just after the SU breakup, Russians all knew lots of news was fake. It took Americans another 20 years to realize that. And still today, Westerners fill their ears with what they want to hear eating bon bons, like Trump is a xenophobe. The truth is, the USA desperate for low cost labor. We are experiencing an acute labor shortage, and we have a conman motivating Central Americans to come here quickly on their own dime to work 16 hours a day for peanuts. If they don't come, the resulting wage inflation will make financing our 22 Trillion in debt unaffordable due to higher interest rates. I don't have to give a lecture on Marxian ideology and the commoditization of Labor on a FSU board? Do I?


Internet censorship in Russia

The issue of internet censorship was brought up. I just want to say my experiences in Russia showed me a nation that was very open, but I haven't been the last couple of years. I was in China recently though, and they do block websites. However, its so easy to get around. Just get on Chinese Bing or another Chinese search engine, find a proxy server in Europe and like that you can access all the sites that were blocked. I could livestream my airport lunch in Guǎngzhōu 10 minutes after my plane lanes, so I doubt Russia has censorship that would block anyone with half a brain from livestreaming
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2019, 07:21:31 AM



Internet censorship in Russia

The issue of internet censorship was brought up. I just want to say my experiences in Russia showed me a nation that was very open

Absolutely not the case, now ...

Have 3K followers - you must reveal who you are

New legislation will mean one must register devices connecting to the internet

The 'excuse' is that Big Brother wants to know about 'bad people' ....but you are 'BAD'
if you post something that is critical of govt - without any positivity ...  :rolleyes:

IF you think I'm joking - a quick check of recent legislation will confirm


Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 28, 2019, 07:48:06 AM
if someone challenges the authenticity of your travel experiences
then by all means one should reply with photographic documentation....

if someone were to challenge the veracity of my posts, claiming I had never been to Sevastopol
then I would respond with two images:

1. tallest girl in Sevastopol (who I later married!)
2. the cover of her internal Sevastopol Passport from the time period of when Sevastopol was a closed city

ergo, I've been to Sevastopol, vini vicci, vamanos

msmob,

please, JayH is very emotionally vulnerable right now after his most recent breakup
it would really be ungentlemanly of you to boast of your romantic success at his expense
it's been tough on JayH leaving the outback and making his journey into the white man's world
with nothing but Aboriginal folk tales of the "White Mother" to guide him
you may see his camp fire late at night down by the river next to his van, a sad solitary figure silhouetted against the camp fire...
and faintly...faintly...you may hear that familiar refrain, "waltzing matilda...waltzing matilda..."
aye laddie, it brings a tear to the eye, now doesn't it?

and lastly sir, may I ask that you please refrain from making the rather obvious assumption that since JayH is devoid of female companionship, that he must resort to “handmade” methods of sexual gratification like Bee Farmer!!
that would REALLY be unfair, even if it is undoubtedly true, poor fella...!!!





Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2019, 08:26:50 AM
Except that my then  Irish passport - now on a new one is no longer in my possession.. 

JayH has his 'contacts' and can check up ..    and apologise

Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 28, 2019, 08:37:54 AM
if dueling were to be re-instituted, would you prefer pistols or sabers?
JayH is a little scrawny fella. my guess is he'd go for pistols and his aim would be low...
so if'n I were you, I'd set it up so that you get to choose the weapon (for God's sake don't let him get his hands on a boom-a-rang!) and he'll choose location
Crimea!

Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 28, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
I poured an inexpensive bottle of Warre port for T and me.  After a sip I threw it out and opened a nice 20 yr tawney. 

T liked the first one.  She said it smelled like Cimean wine.  Do they make port style wines in Crimea?
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: Boethius on February 28, 2019, 12:32:38 PM
Yes. Massandra is probably the most well known.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: JayH on February 28, 2019, 02:28:00 PM
if someone challenges the authenticity of your travel experiences
then by all means one should reply with photographic documentation....

MY COMMENT __  Moby has refused -repeatedly to offer anything at all--other than more bluster and lies


if someone were to challenge the veracity of my posts, claiming I had never been to Sevastopol
then I would respond with two images:

1. tallest girl in Sevastopol (who I later married!)
2. the cover of her internal Sevastopol Passport from the time period of when Sevastopol was a closed city

ergo, I've been to Sevastopol, vini vicci, vamanos

msmob,

please, JayH is very emotionally vulnerable right now after his most recent breakup
it would really be ungentlemanly of you to boast of your romantic success at his expense
it's been tough on JayH

MY COMMENT -- what on earth are you referring to - the comment is outright wrong in every way


and lastly sir, may I ask that you please refrain from making the rather obvious assumption that since JayH is devoid of female companionship,
MY COMMENT - see previous comment-- the K has just invented this with zero basis

 that he must resort to “handmade” methods of sexual gratification like Bee Farmer!!
that would REALLY be unfair, even if it is undoubtedly true, poor fella...!!!

And then this-

if dueling were to be re-instituted, would you prefer pistols or sabers?
JayH is a little scrawny fella. my guess is he'd go for pistols and his aim would be low...
so if'n I were you, I'd set it up so that you get to choose the weapon (for God's sake don't let him get his hands on a boom-a-rang!) and he'll choose location
Crimea!

I don't think I have ever been described like that  -- so why would you write so much made up stuff Krym ( no answer is required.)

History shows that when nonsense gets written  for whatever reason it later gets picked up as fact by others and repeated-- simply inventing something is a truly dumb thing to do Krym.

Of note -- Moby has again above been at his inventing --or lying again --it is pathetic. :cluebat: :cluebat:


Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 28, 2019, 04:09:08 PM
well JayH that is a classic defensive over reaction!
I have not made any presumptive accusations against you
so no need to protect your undoubtedly sterling reputation
I was only asking Moby to refrain from doing so...
I did so, because I’m sure you would feel that someone making false accusations against you would cause you some distress, is it not so?
and we wouldn’t want to make false accusations on this board, now would we JayH?
based on your reaction, I think you concur with this sentiment...
in other words, if you don’t like that little bruise on your forehead
maybe you shouldn’t have been the one to start throwing stones...
cuz I got me a fooking trebuchet mate!
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 28, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
"Do they make port style wines in Crimea"

normally they do, Black Muscat being the most popular
but crimea is more better known for white muscat
viniculture is dying in crimea due to lack of water
I don't even know if they'll have enough to bottle this year
grapes are harvested in Ukraine/Crimea in Sept/Oct
lots of people selling them by the side of the road in villages
for $1 or $2 you buy a huge bag of delicious grapes
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: JayH on February 28, 2019, 04:34:59 PM
Krym--   my posts were in response ( in another thread)  to Moby diverting a another thread-- and his comments to several others -- with accusations of lying .
Go read the sequence .

To me -- wasting everyone's time rebutting Moby nonsense is bad enough-- and then you have the stupidity in invent a few "lies" yourself!
And no-I don't like or appreciate that type of BS.
EG a long time ago-- a now banned member here made something up -- and the luminary Fathertime repeated and repeated and repeated that lie -- and subsequently it reappeared  often as if a fact by all too many others.

Some here do know a lot more about me -- some I have met in real life - and I never want to call them into such nonsense . Some say giving nonsense aair only extends the point -- I agree with that -- but when clearly false statements are made- I see no humour in that at all.
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: krimster2 on February 28, 2019, 05:29:49 PM
 “in response ( in another thread)  to Moby diverting a another thread-- “

so this thread is about another thread about Moby diverting another thread?
sorry, I was confused until you clarified this...
well, look, you seem really sensitive about this, if you read what I wrote
you’ll see that I never made any accusation against you
but for someone who denies being on fire, you sure are putting out a lot of smoke!!!
I’ll just leave that there, I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for your over reaction
that doesn’t involve you being at high risk of auto-asphyxiation
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: ML on February 28, 2019, 06:25:12 PM
We are experiencing an acute labor shortage, and we have a conman motivating Central Americans to come here quickly on their own dime to work 16 hours a day for peanuts. If they don't come, the resulting wage inflation will make financing our 22 Trillion in debt unaffordable due to higher interest rates.

There is no labor shortage in USA.

However, those who need labor are naturally seeking the lowest cost labor relative to productivity.  And by obtaining lower cost labor, we the consumers are benefiting.

Still, that does not mean we have a labor shortage.

It only means that those needing labor will have to pay higher wages to get locals to do the work.  This higher cost will be passed on to us the consumers.

I would gladly pay much more for produce and other items if it meant we could go back to our previous ethnic make-up and pass on to our grandchildren the same USA that we were born into.

And wage inflation in the private sector has nothing to do with our national federal debt.
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: DaveNY on February 28, 2019, 07:56:16 PM
The truth is, the USA desperate for low cost labor.

You're in favor of illegals working for less than the legal minimum wage and benefits?



we have a conman motivating Central Americans to come here quickly on their own dime to work 16 hours a day for peanuts.

How is Trump motivating illegals to come and illegally enter the US? He's trying to prevent them from coming to the US.


Internet censorship in Russia

The issue of internet censorship was brought up. I just want to say my experiences in Russia showed me a nation that was very open, but I haven't been the last couple of years. I was in China recently though, and they do block websites. However, its so easy to get around. Just get on Chinese Bing or another Chinese search engine, find a proxy server in Europe and like that you can access all the sites that were blocked. I could livestream my airport lunch in Guǎngzhōu 10 minutes after my plane lanes, so I doubt Russia has censorship that would block anyone with half a brain from livestreaming

As someone who travels to Russia regularly I can say without reservation that Russia has strict censorship of the Internet. Sites are routinely blocked for days/weeks or more.

Russia is currently working on a way to block access in and out of Russia. How would someone in Russia access a proxy server in Europe if the Russian Internet was physically blocked from the outside world?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47198426

How many average Russians who haven't studied computer science do you think know how to find and use a proxy server much less know what a proxy server is? Or know how to livestream an event from their device?
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: whynotme on February 28, 2019, 08:08:21 PM

As someone who travels to Russia regularly I can say without reservation that Russia has strict censorship of the Internet. Sites are routinely blocked for days/weeks or more.

Russia is currently working on a way to block access in and out of Russia. How would someone in Russia access a proxy server in Europe if the Russian Internet was physically blocked from the outside world?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47198426

How many average Russians who haven't studied computer science do you think know how to find and use a proxy server much less know what a proxy server is? Or know how to livestream an event from their device?
Can you give an example of those blocked sites? May be I missed something very useful.  :D And I don't know any average Russian who doesn't know how to surf via internet.
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: DaveNY on February 28, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Can you give an example of those blocked sites? May be I missed something very useful.  :D And I don't know any average Russian who doesn't know how to surf via internet.

Sites that have been blocked at one time or another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia

I'm not talking about surfing the Internet. I'm talking about knowing what a proxy server is and how to use it. I doubt too many people in the US or Europe know how to find a proxy server and use it. Far fewer in Russia could do it. Of course if the Kremlin turned off access to the Internet outside of Russia then even knowing how to use a proxy server wouldn't help.
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: whynotme on February 28, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
Sites that have been blocked at one time or another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia

I'm not talking about surfing the Internet. I'm talking about knowing what a proxy server is and how to use it. I doubt too many people in the US or Europe know how to find a proxy server and use it. Far fewer in Russia could do it. Of course if the Kremlin turned off access to the Internet outside of Russia then even knowing how to use a proxy server wouldn't help.

Honestly, I think the list should be much longer. Among my friends, almost everyone knows what a proxy server is and how to use it. Of course, I don't take into account people over 60. Personally, I am for the strictest censorship up to the ban for grammatical errors and a life ban for spreading unverified rumors, such as the Kremlin’s desire to turn off access to the Internet in Russia  :P
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: msmob on February 28, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
but when clearly false statements are made- I see no humour in that at all.

JayH


Only an internet idiot  would waste their time telling me where they THOUGHT I have been / not been and when....







Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: fathertime on March 01, 2019, 07:14:31 AM
There is no labor shortage in USA.

However, those who need labor are naturally seeking the lowest cost labor relative to productivity.  And by obtaining lower cost labor, we the consumers are benefiting.


Even with the 10 million or more illegals working there is a labor shortage, although not as severe as it would be without them.  It doesn't have to be this way, but there is a portion of the society that doesn't work...either too lazy, overweight, in ill health, or independently wealthy.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: GenMish on March 01, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
And wage inflation in the private sector has nothing to do with our national federal debt.



The Federal Reserve(US Central Bank) has a dual mandate, first to foster economic conditions that achieve both stable prices and second maximum sustainable employment. When price gains are above Fed targets, the Fed will raise interest rates. The most significant components to what THEY watch, and by their own testimony, are wages along with productivity. Currently the debt instruments the US uses allows us to service our 22 Trillion in debt at 2.5%. However, if the 10 yr T Bond were to move to say 4%(a number that was there not many years ago), that would mean a 60% INCREASE in debt service costs. Debt service is now the largest part of the US Budget.

So yes, it wouldn't be difficult to pay the restaurant and extra $2 for a meal, or your landscaper  and extra $10/mo, but could the average person accept a 60% increase in the mortgage payment? Maybe? but the US Budget cant without huge reductions to entitlements


The wall is a CON. We don't need a Wall to stop illegal immigrants. The IRS could just stop issuing illegals tax ID numbers and the DMW can stop issuing them ID cards. We would tell employers that cant hire them any longer, and illegals will return home tell the friends that the deal is up and their friends wont come to the USA. This would be very simple to implement with current technology
Title: Re: Blah, Blah, Blah Edition XXVII
Post by: ML on March 01, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
Even with the 10 million or more illegals working there is a labor shortage, although not as severe as it would be without them.  It doesn't have to be this way, but there is a portion of the society that doesn't work...either too lazy, overweight, in ill health, or independently wealthy.   

Fathertime!

You are actually agreeing with me that there is no labor shortage.

Just a mismatch between labor needed and wages offered.

This mismatch will continue as long as we allow those in who will work for below the equilibrium wage.
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Post by: DaveNY on March 01, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
You are actually agreeing with me that there is no labor shortage.

Just a mismatch between labor needed and wages offered.

This mismatch will continue as long as we allow those in who will work for below the equilibrium wage.

When my wife was doing her Msc she discovered that what they taught in university and what was required with regard to programming were not compatible. The university was so out of touch with what the marketplace wanted that after university she took additional courses in programming to get the needed skills required for a job.

According to her colleagues this is still the case. For whatever reason many universities in the STEM fields cannot adjust their programs often enough to meet the needs of the private sector.
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Post by: Boethius on March 01, 2019, 04:38:41 PM
Our son is still at university, but continues to work part time for his summer employer, because the skill he has is one that is in short supply in the tech field, so they asked him to continue to work.  He tells me his university courses have been instrumental in his job, and that's been the experience of his friends and colleagues, most of whom are studying engineering. 


Universities really should provide a foundation.  They are not there to train in particular "skills", which change over time.  The process of how to think, how to approach an issue, and a solid foundation of knowledge to get there, is what should be taught.  Technical colleges here teach more of the practical issues.



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Post by: pitbull on March 01, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
Our son is still at university, but continues to work part time for his summer employer, because the skill he has is one that is in short supply in the tech field, so they asked him to continue to work.  He tells me his university courses have been instrumental in his job, and that's been the experience of his friends and colleagues, most of whom are studying engineering. 


Universities really should provide a foundation.  They are not there to train in particular "skills", which change over time.  The process of how to think, how to approach an issue, and a solid foundation of knowledge to get there, is what should be taught.  Technical colleges here teach more of the practical issues.



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You are correct as always

Education is what remains after one forgets what one has Learnt in school
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Post by: krimster2 on March 01, 2019, 06:21:11 PM
what you are taught is often less important than what you learn
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Post by: fathertime on March 01, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
You are actually agreeing with me that there is no labor shortage.

Just a mismatch between labor needed and wages offered.

This mismatch will continue as long as we allow those in who will work for below the equilibrium wage.
In effect we do have a labor shortage.  If native born americans worked as hard as they did in other eras perhaps we wouldn't have a labor shortage.  Or maybe it has always been this way, and the first or second generation immigrants did the bulk of the labor.  Of course in the distant past we (The US) utilized slaves. 

Fathertime! 
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Post by: ML on March 01, 2019, 08:57:53 PM
Universities really should provide a foundation.  They are not there to train in particular "skills", which change over time.  The process of how to think, how to approach an issue, and a solid foundation of knowledge to get there, is what should be taught.  Technical colleges here teach more of the practical issues.

DaveNY . . . here is the correct answer to your comment.
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Post by: DaveNY on March 02, 2019, 10:01:03 AM
DaveNY . . . here is the correct answer to your comment.

Trouble is that's not reality. When my wife finished her Msc. she lacked the needed programming skills to get a decent paying job. She had to take courses from a private group, essentially a programming boot camp, that offered programming courses to people like her who had programming knowledge but not the specific courses in demand by industry.

Boethius is correct that the smaller colleges, at least in NYC, 2 year/4 year colleges, do offer more relevant programming skills than the big universities. 

Some of my wife's colleagues have taught at the smaller colleges and have said they tend to offer programming courses that are more relevant because there's less bureaucracy to get the courses approved in the smaller colleges and the profs tend to have more detailed knowledge of needed courses because they also work in industry.
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Post by: Boethius on March 02, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
Your wife was in her thirties when she finished?  She was competing mostly with young men a decade younger, who were unmarried, did not have children or were contemplating children, and had been coding since childhood..  Our son did his first youtube video on coding when he was 8 years old.  So, she was at a disadvantage vis a vis her competition, and had to "up" her game in competition to them.  It wasn't about the education.


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Post by: DaveNY on March 02, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Your wife was in her thirties when she finished?  She was competing mostly with young men a decade younger, who were unmarried, did not have children or were contemplating children, and had been coding since childhood..  Our son did his first youtube video on coding when he was 8 years old.  So, she was at a disadvantage vis a vis her competition, and had to "up" her game in competition to them.  It wasn't about the education.


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Surprisingly my wife was far from the oldest student in her boot camp. There were about 30 - 35 students in her class. There were about 7 or 8 students that were definitely older than her. A couple of the guys had to be 50+ or at least close to it. Most of the 7 or 8 students who were older were male, as were 75% of the class, but there were 1 or 2 female students who were older than my wife. Even talked to 2 lawyers in the class. From what I heard most of the class had some type of STEM background and were looking to update their skill set to something that would get them employed in a matter of months instead of 2 or 3 years of college/university.

Don't know about STEM programs in Canada but one of the reasons private for profit programming boot camps exist in the US, at least in greater NYC, is because their courses are more current than what is offered in our universities at the undergraduate and graduate levels and they offer employment counseling to get their graduates employed immediately. According to my wife the job search program at the boot camp was far better than any job search help she had at university. Like most of those who graduated the program my wife had multiple job offers waiting for her when she graduated.

The programs tend to emphasize that they're teaching the newest versions of older popular programming languages and the newest programming languages. Don't know if it's true but still today the boot camps are well attended.