Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on January 16, 2022, 12:48:12 AM
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So been thinking of recent that I could be thinking of this all wrong, in fact I think many western guys may be thinking of getting into a relationship with a Ukrainian woman all wrong. We tend to start from the outset with the idea in mind of dating then importing the Ukrainian woman into our country. I would suggest though that is perhaps a little dated way of doing it now, it may come back in vogue if Russia ends up wreaking Ukraine's economy by blocking it's ports and obviously economic fallout from the virus. I think though as Boe once said on here that for most Ukrainians life in Ukraine is life anywhere even if pretty poor there is still often family, familiarity, personal history, culture, etc, etc to tie the person to the place.
Hence as we can see online the number of women willing to move abroad is actually only a very tiny fraction of the women in Ukraine, marriages & availability aside for a moment. Let's face it if the threat of poor virus protection, a not great economy and mega-tonne Russian bombs potentially soon falling from the skies isn't going to get Ukrainian women hitting up online dating sites in large numbers with a passion then what is.
Let's face it the women that turn to online dating western men abroad are going to be the ones left last in most cases. Now that's not necessarily a great pool to go fishing in, the more easily datable women are going to get with local guys. That means as western guys we are missing out on the vast bulk of Ukrainan women who are likely a better deal for us, less scammers, less problem personalities, better persona's, less expected of the man, etc. We all know that Ukrainian girls that go for a western guy and willing to live abroad do so expecting a way better lifestyle and a richer guy, that he has better income earning ability etc.
However, what are the expectations of a girl who wants to remain in Ukraine? To my mind her expectations are going to be way less. She knows the local guys only earn so much so she can only expect so much. So a western guy who can live local especially if he has independent income will likely be seen as a very good catch by the local women. Essentially it will be like heating even better value for money than just the mere exchange rate, a western guy will be seen as high worth well beyond what he is in his home country. The risk of course is in theory less, Russian invasions aside, the western guy is going to trump the competition a lot of the time.
When you think that cheap flights can now be had from the UK that fly to Kiev and now directly Lviv & Odessa in about 3 hours flight time or less then for UK guys it's well worth considering. Odds are the girl won't mind a UK guy spending a few days here and there back in the UK even possibly quite often and then chill out with her in Ukraine many other times. A situation that could suit both well in general the girl gets to stay in Ukraine with what she feels is a wealthy guy who can provide while the western guy gets a better deal in terms of the girl and avoids a lot of the problems with the international dating way of things. So a better way yes?
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So been thinking of recent that I could be thinking of this all wrong, in fact I think many western guys may be thinking of getting into a relationship with a Ukrainian woman all wrong. We tend to start from the outset with the idea in mind of dating then importing the Ukrainian woman into our country. I would suggest though that is perhaps a little dated way of doing it now, it may come back in vogue if Russia ends up wreaking Ukraine's economy by blocking it's ports and obviously economic fallout from the virus. I think though as Boe once said on here that for most Ukrainians life in Ukraine is life anywhere even if pretty poor there is still often family, familiarity, personal history, culture, etc, etc to tie the person to the place.
Hence as we can see online the number of women willing to move abroad is actually only a very tiny fraction of the women in Ukraine, marriages & availability aside for a moment. Let's face it if the threat of poor virus protection, a not great economy and mega-tonne Russian bombs potentially soon falling from the skies isn't going to get Ukrainian women hitting up online dating sites in large numbers with a passion then what is.
Let's face it the women that turn to online dating western men abroad are going to be the ones left last in most cases. Now that's not necessarily a great pool to go fishing in, the more easily datable women are going to get with local guys. That means as western guys we are missing out on the vast bulk of Ukrainan women who are likely a better deal for us, less scammers, less problem personalities, better persona's, less expected of the man, etc. We all know that Ukrainian girls that go for a western guy and willing to live abroad do so expecting a way better lifestyle and a richer guy, that he has better income earning ability etc.
However, what are the expectations of a girl who wants to remain in Ukraine? To my mind her expectations are going to be way less. She knows the local guys only earn so much so she can only expect so much. So a western guy who can live local especially if he has independent income will likely be seen as a very good catch by the local women. Essentially it will be like heating even better value for money than just the mere exchange rate, a western guy will be seen as high worth well beyond what he is in his home country. The risk of course is in theory less, Russian invasions aside, the western guy is going to trump the competition a lot of the time.
When you think that cheap flights can now be had from the UK that fly to Kiev and now directly Lviv & Odessa in about 3 hours flight time or less then for UK guys it's well worth considering. Odds are the girl won't mind a UK guy spending a few days here and there back in the UK even possibly quite often and then chill out with her in Ukraine many other times. A situation that could suit both well in general the girl gets to stay in Ukraine with what she feels is a wealthy guy who can provide while the western guy gets a better deal in terms of the girl and avoids a lot of the problems with the international dating way of things. So a better way yes?
You’ve been told umpteen times: You, Trenchcoat, will never be able to live like a local does. Stop rehashing this rubbish.
Head down to your local and chat up the girl behind the bar. If you can’t do that your fantasies of landing a hot FSUW won’t go any further than sweaty palms.
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You’ve been told umpteen times: You, Trenchcoat, will never be able to live like a local does. Stop rehashing this rubbish.
Head down to your local and chat up the girl behind the bar. If you can’t do that your fantasies of landing a hot FSUW won’t go any further than sweaty palms.
I could live better than a local does, I'm not talking about trying to get stuff as cheap as they do here. A lot of stuff can be had for a good price though and likely easier than in previous times. When I first started this search the first girl I met in Kiev did me the good service if phoning up for a taxi, the price was way cheap like Uber prices before Uber were out there. Now however we can get those local taxi prices with Uber. As far as food goes it's much the same price for everyone out there depending on where you go. Entertainment, well occasionally a foreigner can be charged more but that's not biggie, much of the stuff will be the same set price. Restaurants again will be the same price so long as you're careful where you go to avoid the ones that charge foreigners more.
That just leaves accomodation, so long as again you're careful not to agree with exorbitant foreigner prices then a good enough price can be had. Hiring terps to front for you or agreeing to set prices online can help there. Odds are I wouldn't have to go a long time before I'm able to have some hot babe rock up so it's not like I would have to keep it up long term. Once the hot babe rocks up then she can help out on sourcing good deals so even more of a bonus. Long and short is though that it's not really about trying to get things a few pound cheaper, if I pay a few pound more it doesn't really matter so much the main thing is being out there and seen as a good option by the local women :)
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You, Trenchcoat, will never be able to live like a local does.
But hot babes will rock up! Whatever the F that means. He can't speak the language,
doesn't have social skills, is in his mid forties and he is a broke @ss. He will be the
Mr Bean of Ukraine, I don't know his plan could fail.
He might get his remodeling project finished by Spring of 2025 and he will get a
Covid 488 booster shot then buy a Buns of Steel VHS video so that he can get
ripped before his booster shot wears off.
Stop rehashing this rubbish.
Trench likes to recycle and he only has 4-5 theories. This one had the most dust on it.
(http://sites.google.com/site/minifanclub/_/rsrc/1367872973553/Home/mr-bean-s-mini-1000/imagesCA4NMV9C.jpg?height=299&width=400)
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No, a "better deal" can't be had, because you will not be a rich foreigner who is willing to take women out for fancy dinners, buy her clothing and cosmetics, or provide her a step up in lifestyle. That is what Western men living in Ukraine can do, and that is why they have an endless parade of women.
If all women on dating sites are "damaged goods", then so are all men. So, two "damaged" people meeting on a dating site shouldn't be an issue for you.
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No, a "better deal" can't be had, because you will not be a rich foreigner who is willing to take women out for fancy dinners, buy her clothing and cosmetics, or provide her a step up in lifestyle. That is what Western men living in Ukraine can do, and that is why they have an endless parade of women.
If all women on dating sites are "damaged goods", then so are all men. So, two "damaged" people meeting on a dating site shouldn't be an issue for you.
Yes counsel.
What's say if I could though, I managed it with Kherson girl for a bit though it admittedly was becoming a pia. I mean is a permanent relationship possible with such a girl?
Put it this way what if I gave her £100 a week allowance to buy whatever she wanted with it, would that be the way to go?
I reckon I could bring in about £1k a month in rent from my house it really is now just a few months from completion. I reckon I could do pretty well out in Ukraine on £1k a month especially at the moment. Not many Ukrainians will be able to match that even with access to cheaper living costs and on top they will have to go out to work. To all intent and purposes to a Ukrainian girl I would probably look like a pretty rich guy.
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The median salary in Ukraine is 620 pounds, and that’s an official salary. So by the time you pay for a flat, you aren’t providing more than the average Ukrainian male, and less than many of them.
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No, a "better deal" can't be had,
You are right, however if a guy spoke decent Russian, average looks or better AND had
good social skills then in my opinion he could find a very attractive 40+ year old "good"
woman who would make an excellent wife and life companion. I am saying this for the
newbies who might be reading this.
I have given up on the OP.
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I could live better than a local does
:cluebat:
That just about sums you up....
On your budget you will have to live as cheaply as possible. No high flying expat living for you Trench. It’s bargain basement all the way.
Trenchwaffle........
How’s that search for the hot babes going?
Will that be before or after the Russian invasion? Or are you heading to Poland to snaffle one of dem hot wimmin fleeing across the border?
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But hot babes will rock up! Whatever the F that means. He can't speak the language,
doesn't have social skills, is in his mid forties and he is a broke @ss. He will be the
Mr Bean of Ukraine, I don't know his plan could fail.
He might get his remodeling project finished by Spring of 2025 and he will get a
Covid 488 booster shot then buy a Buns of Steel VHS video so that he can get
ripped before his booster shot wears off.
Trench likes to recycle and he only has 4-5 theories. This one had the most dust on it.
(http://sites.google.com/site/minifanclub/_/rsrc/1367872973553/Home/mr-bean-s-mini-1000/imagesCA4NMV9C.jpg?height=299&width=400)
Trench is now hoping to be a sugar daddy on a budget. £100 a week...... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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The median salary in Ukraine is 620 pounds, and that’s an official salary. So by the time you pay for a flat, you aren’t providing more than the average Ukrainian male, and less than many of them.
1. Medium salary tends to be more than the Mode average salary what most people get so it's a good salary for out there.
2. I wouldn't be working at least to no great extent so I would have plenty of time for the girl. A Ukrainian guy would be working so I would come over as more wealthy as not having to work much.
So given those two points my guess is that I would be beating the majority of local guys hands down. The pretty girl would have competition from other pretty girls so only so many options. So I reckon I could look pretty favourable to her.
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You are right, however if a guy spoke decent Russian, average looks or better AND had
good social skills then in my opinion he could find a very attractive 40+ year old "good"
woman who would make an excellent wife and life companion. I am saying this for the
newbies who might be reading this.
I have given up on the OP.
Depends what you mean by 'very attractive' Bill. There are loads of women in Ukraine of all ages that are pretty enough looking but not really model pretty looking. Some good photos done of them they can look a little model like in style without necessarily being model pretty. Sone of course are very attractive in terms of personality, character and so forth and I don't knock that it can make for a good and easy relationship.
Those women though we'll the standard of the guy can vary, he will have to come across reasonably well overall say neatly dressed, reasonably in shape, not necessarily knowing Russian as a lot of women speak English out there. Well such a guy could find many pretty enough everyday average looking women, some would go for such a guy some wouldn't depending upon chemistry upon meeting. I converse with women under 40 and many I'm pretty sure would have no problem with meeting me and if chemistry was there getting into a relationship.
My problem is that I keep getting drawn by the real pretty model looking girls. I can't help it I don't mean to chose to be attracted to them I just feel magnetically drawn to them. For me it's just the way it is. I do try to converse with women that aren't as model pretty though of course but I'm never sure if I would feel satisfied there.
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Trench is now hoping to be a sugar daddy on a budget. £100 a week...... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
In Ukraine that is good money Gaunty, many girls only earn about £100 or $150 a month never mind get it per week. If they wanted to many would not have to work being given that sort of money, they would be able to buy plenty in the shops with it.
Another advantage I would have over local men is jobs can come and go. Some local men who might be able to compete could in theory lose their job at any point in time and bang there goes the income, me not so.
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I wouldn't be working at least to no great extent so I would have plenty of time for the girl. A Ukrainian guy would be working so I would come over as more wealthy as not having to work much.
I think if you parade yourself as the rich person of means who doesn’t need to work, living off £1000 pm, you’ll get laughed out of town.
Keep fantasizing.
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In Ukraine that is good money Gaunty, many girls only earn about £100 or $150 a month never mind get it per week. If they wanted to many would not have to work being given that sort of money, they would be able to buy plenty in the shops with it.
Another advantage I would have over local men is jobs can come and go. Some local men who might be able to compete could in theory lose their job at any point in time and bang there goes the income, me not so.
If you think the hot girls are going to be dropping their knickers for £100 a week you’ve got another think coming.
You could probably get a hooker for an hour for that money.
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This thread should be renamed as Trenchs Theories on Sex Tourism in Ukraine on the Cheap.
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Depends what you mean by 'very attractive' Bill. There are loads of women in Ukraine of all ages that are pretty enough looking but not really model pretty looking. Some good photos done of them they can look a little model like in style without necessarily being model pretty. Sone of course are very attractive in terms of personality, character and so forth and I don't knock that it can make for a good and easy relationship.
Those women though we'll the standard of the guy can vary, he will have to come across reasonably well overall say neatly dressed, reasonably in shape, not necessarily knowing Russian as a lot of women speak English out there. Well such a guy could find many pretty enough everyday average looking women, some would go for such a guy some wouldn't depending upon chemistry upon meeting. I converse with women under 40 and many I'm pretty sure would have no problem with meeting me and if chemistry was there getting into a relationship.
My problem is that I keep getting drawn by the real pretty model looking girls. I can't help it I don't mean to chose to be attracted to them I just feel magnetically drawn to them. For me it's just the way it is. I do try to converse with women that aren't as model pretty though of course but I'm never sure if I would feel satisfied there.
That’s just your little head reacting.
Start using your big head and that should solve that problem.
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That’s just your little head reacting.
Start using your big head and that should solve that problem.
I need to be turned on to be into a girl. So most of the time that sort of girl does it for me, it's not really a choice it's just who I am.
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We all know that Ukrainian girls that go for a western guy and willing to live abroad do so expecting a way better lifestyle and a richer guy, that he has better income earning ability etc.
If you use money for bait,that's very accurate.
How many single women in Ukraine would be completely happy in finding a truly good man,that she found interesting and family oriented ?
Most women there work TC.
They dont all have the expectation of grandeur luxury life just by relocation.
Some recognize its just a good man in a different country.
That as a team.they will build a life together. That the future holds more promise for thier children there, that things are more stable generally.
Ten years later you are still wafting after top ten models off vk or instagram.or whatever.
In ten years you should have written 10,000 women.
You should have narrowed the field down.
At 40 ,your lack of average salary in your own country is an issue for local.women and a women from.anywhere.
It's not the biggest issue but if you want to think economically then yes its a factor.
You could live in Ukraine, but then without skills,language etc relying on your rental would be crazy risky in.ukraines troubled climate and not be the stability a family woman would look for
Play to the strenghts you have, some stability ,and hopefully I genuine care for another human.
Your lack.of truly wanting to be a father is an issue for most women anywhere also.
Children aren't a bother, or somethimgbyo be tolerated until.they grow up.
They are the biggest joy in life.
Some men and women,dont want children, and that's understandable, but you are milquetoast on the subject.
That's a no no.
Its yes you want children,
or no you do not.
And search accordingly
I adore children and can tell you in always wanted kids.
That's a huge plus in the area of marraige as the largest majority of single women do want kids ,or have children, and wont date anyone they dont see as a good father.
These are things you need to dwell on.
Not moving to Ukraine (although temporarily might be beneficial)
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He will be the Mr Bean of Ukraine....
(http://sites.google.com/site/minifanclub/_/rsrc/1367872973553/Home/mr-bean-s-mini-1000/imagesCA4NMV9C.jpg?height=299&width=400)
Nah....Mr Bean is funny (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)
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If you use money for bait,that's very accurate.
How many single women in Ukraine would be completely happy in finding a truly good man,that she found interesting and family oriented ?
Most women there work TC.
They dont all have the expectation of grandeur luxury life just by relocation.
Some recognize its just a good man in a different country.
That as a team.they will build a life together. That the future holds more promise for thier children there, that things are more stable generally.
Ten years later you are still wafting after top ten models off vk or instagram.or whatever.
In ten years you should have written 10,000 women.
You should have narrowed the field down.
At 40 ,your lack of average salary in your own country is an issue for local.women and a women from.anywhere.
It's not the biggest issue but if you want to think economically then yes its a factor.
You could live in Ukraine, but then without skills,language etc relying on your rental would be crazy risky in.ukraines troubled climate and not be the stability a family woman would look for
Play to the strenghts you have, some stability ,and hopefully I genuine care for another human.
Your lack.of truly wanting to be a father is an issue for most women anywhere also.
Children aren't a bother, or somethimgbyo be tolerated until.they grow up.
They are the biggest joy in life.
Some men and women,dont want children, and that's understandable, but you are milquetoast on the subject.
That's a no no.
Its yes you want children,
or no you do not.
And search accordingly
I adore children and can tell you in always wanted kids.
That's a huge plus in the area of marraige as the largest majority of single women do want kids ,or have children, and wont date anyone they dont see as a good father.
These are things you need to dwell on.
Not moving to Ukraine (although temporarily might be beneficial)
Apparently according to Davo around 90 percent of women in international dating sites are scammers or have ulterior motives. I know that many do and I brought up the issue a few months back and because it was me got dissed for it, with Davo however many agreed. I'm not sure as to around the 90 percent figure, difficult to say as it depends how far you are classing what an ulterior motive is. I said in a post only a few weeks/months prior that I suspected a lot of the girls on International dating sites had ulterior motives. Many will do, some probably with selfish intent at the expense of the man others willing to include the man but after other stuff as a result. So some may be green card girls who will then shoot off, some may look to upgrade once in UK, US, AUS, etc, some may want to be with the man but see him as a pension plan, some may want the man but expect a certain level of comfort, etc, etc.
I've been about six years at this.
In theory my salary plus my rental income will be at least around the national average once I finish my house. I could then take on more work and earn more but also be taxed more.
Main thing is, is that a lot of guys go out to Ukraine for a few days/week or so, they meet someone, then they have to fly back fairly regularly, easier from the UK but still a wrench. It's a pain having to see someone you want to be with on video chat for three to four weeks or so between visits. In that time they may grow fed up with it, shag other guys - it's no life for them. Better to be with them for two-three months solid and take it from there in my book, really get to know each other that way and have a real relationship rather than geeking it out on video chat.
I don't know where you get my lack of enthusiasm for wanting another kid from. I want children, it's what I ask all of the women in my communication, some want them some don't, some may be unable to. I don't bring it up here much as until I find a girl it's a non-starter anyway. I personally see a lot of joy in having children and I like children but I really need a stable relationship for that. Crying my heart out on here about it won't do anything.
My move to Ukraine would be temporary, it would only become more permanent if in a relationship with a girl, but odds are even then I would be back in the UK a fair bit for stuff in the UK. I just don't think transplanting a girl from Ukraine to the UK would be best in the early stages of a relationship. UK culture would be poison that would stand a high chance of screwing up that relationship quickly. Many people don't realise how changed our western culture has become over the last few decades.
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I've been about six years at this.
In another 6 you’ll still be here driving us nuts.
In theory my salary plus my rental income will be at least around the national average once I finish my house. I could then take on more work and earn more but also be taxed more.
Great to know you’ll be paying your share of tax.
I just don't think transplanting a girl from Ukraine to the UK would be best in the early stages of a relationship. UK culture would be poison that would stand a high chance of screwing up that relationship quickly.
Trenchspeak for he’s terrified any girl he sponsors to the UK will quickly up sticks and dump him for the first better option.
Many people don't realise how changed our western culture has become over the last few decades.
Yet people still manage to date, form relationships, get married, have kids.
Unbelievable, isn’t it.
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Depends what you mean by 'very attractive' Bill. There are loads of women in Ukraine
of all ages that are pretty enough looking but not really model pretty looking. Some
good photos done of them they can look a little model like in style without necessarily
being model pretty.
Trench,
When I was in high school I dated the cheerleaders, when I was in college, I dated the
cheerleaders and some of the track stars. I have dated models. I know what very attractive
is. When I get lucky I don't feel the need to start a thread about it.
I have also been to Ukraine, Russia, Georgia, Italy, the UK, Mexico and, Canada with a girl or
to meet a girl.
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If you use money for bait,that's very accurate.
Leslied quote "Don't be surprised if you find gold diggers, if you use money as bait."
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Trench,
When I was in high school I dated the cheerleaders, when I was in college, I dated the
cheerleaders and some of the track stars. I have dated models. I know what very attractive
is. When I get lucky I don't feel the need to start a thread about it.
I have also been to Ukraine, Russia, Georgia, Italy, the UK, Mexico and, Canada with a girl or
to meet a girl.
Whoar! You lucky b*sterd Bill!!!
What I would do to have had a dating life like yours! I hope you realise how lucky you are to be able to pull such hot chicks so easily, I wish I could do that. I think you have likely been born with good fortune, looks, social skills, height, etc. It's the kind of dating life most guys dream off. So how come you didn't stay with a hot cheerleader and do the planet a great service by knocking out lots of hot cheer babies?
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Ok, so in bed and mind can't stop turning this one over hence on here. This is one for you 2tallbill & Gaunty plus anyone else who thinks they are up to answering it to give it a try:
Ok so most Ukrainian girls want to find a guy who will provide for them.
Beyond that the hot Ukrainian girls tend to want that plus find a guy who will buy them stuff. They think they are owed it because of how pretty they are. They also think that if the guy cares about them and is of worth to him he will buy her stuff she ask for.
The guy dating the hot girl however thinks that she is not into him but just wants him only for the purpose of buying her stuff. He has a choice either refuse or agree to buy her stuff.
If he agrees then he feels that he will never truely know if she is interested in him or just interested in him buying her stuff.
If he rejects buying her stuff then he sees whether she will stay or walk away. If she walks away however is it because she just felt that he did not care enough as he didn't want to buy her stuff. Even if she stays is she left with the feeling that he doesn't care that much for her.
So with this type of girl what to do to avoid it going pear shaped?
Agreeing to buying stuff lumbers the guy with buying her stuff often and not knowing if that is why she is with him. Not buying her stuff could sour the relationship, he may feel she was just after stuff but she could have just felt that he would want to do that if into her as she's so hot and that if he doesn't then he doesn't find her hot.
So what is the answer?
By answer I mean with the hot girl not finding a girl who is an everyday good girl who doesn't ask for anything.
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Ok, so in bed and mind can't stop turning this one over hence on here. This is one for you 2tallbill & Gaunty plus anyone else who thinks they are up to answering it to give it a try:
Ok so most Ukrainian girls want to find a guy who will provide for them.
Beyond that the hot Ukrainian girls tend to want that plus find a guy who will buy them stuff. They think they are owed it because of how pretty they are. They also think that if the guy cares about them and is of worth to him he will buy her stuff she ask for.
The guy dating the hot girl however thinks that she is not into him but just wants him only for the purpose of buying her stuff. He has a choice either refuse or agree to buy her stuff.
If he agrees then he feels that he will never truely know if she is interested in him or just interested in him buying her stuff.
If he rejects buying her stuff then he sees whether she will stay or walk away. If she walks away however is it because she just felt that he did not care enough as he didn't want to buy her stuff. Even if she stays is she left with the feeling that he doesn't care that much for her.
So with this type of girl what to do to avoid it going pear shaped?
Agreeing to buying stuff lumbers the guy with buying her stuff often and not knowing if that is why she is with him. Not buying her stuff could sour the relationship, he may feel she was just after stuff but she could have just felt that he would want to do that if into her as she's so hot and that if he doesn't then he doesn't find her hot.
So what is the answer?
By answer I mean with the hot girl not finding a girl who is an everyday good girl who doesn't ask for anything.
OMG
My heads going to explode trying to make sense of this mental convulsion
Trench, no wonder you can’t find a girl.
Your entire premise reduces the sum of human experience and relationships to the transactional level.
I suggest you would make life far easier for yourself (and us) if you just paid to get your jollies.
You’ll get exactly what you pay for and save us all being subjected to this torturous drivel.
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TC,
First, its good to hear you like to have children.
I was going from some old stuff you had posted about kids being a bother (you may have meant other people's kids)
If you truly look forward to that aspect its a huge plus for you with most women.
As far as your question.
You box the question in such a way that rveryvwomannos looking for momentary compensation for their luck on genetic lottery.
Your answer is easy, simply avoid people with that mentality.
Relative attractiveness does not define someone's personality.
Women can run into the issue in reverse, and you are seemingly a prime eample.
If men have the mentality of only interested in the outer package they tend to avoid them.
Why? Because they know its shallow and appearance is fleeting,and they know there are men that certainlh will appreciate physical beauty,but will care about who they are as a person and how the think and feel.
So they look for those men.
You need to avoid women who are overly concerned with looks, money,etc.
Yes a lot of online stuff from.fsu is going to be based that way. That's the nature if the beast.
Sort thru that.
I still think you'll have better odds with a good girl in UK ,but yes just as difficult to sort out.
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Whoar! You lucky b*sterd Bill!!!
What I would do to have had a dating life like yours! I hope you realise how lucky you are to be able to pull such hot chicks so easily, I wish I could do that. I think you have likely been born with good fortune, looks, social skills, height, etc. It's the kind of dating life most guys dream off. So how come you didn't stay with a hot cheerleader and do the planet a great service by knocking out lots of hot cheer babies?
I was shy in middle school and my freshman year of high school. I grew super fast and I played
sports. I was clumsy and shy, as I got more coordinated and better at sports I gained confidence.
I worked on gaining confidence in other ways. I did door to door volunteer work for my school,
church group and others selling subscriptions, cakes, and other stuff. Nothing will make you more
confident than having the door slammed in your face 100 times.
You don't walk up the the 108th door in fear. By then it's a total piece of cake.
It's confidence that women want. I see hot women all the time with plain to average men.
Women want confidence.
NOTE: This is for Newbies because Trench never does anything productive or follows advice.
Join Toastmasters, volunteer to call people on the phone for donations for something you
believe in. You don't have to stay being a social misfit, you can learn this. This is not something
you are born with or not. You can learn how to be confident. If you have a brain and the willpower
you can learn this.
If you have a brain and willpower you can improve your body in the gym. If you have a brain and
willpower then you can learn Russian, if you have a brain and willpower you can find an intelligent,
sexy, hot Russian woman to fall in love with you.
No brain or willpower? This adventure is not for you.
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OMG
My heads going to explode trying to make sense of this mental convulsion
Trench, no wonder you can’t find a girl.
Your entire premise reduces the sum of human experience and relationships to the transactional level.
I suggest you would make life far easier for yourself (and us) if you just paid to get your jollies.
You’ll get exactly what you pay for and save us all being subjected to this torturous drivel.
Ok, I was wrong to think you might have any clue, you clearly haven't attained the level of cheerleader hottieness type of girl like 2tallbill has.
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TC,
First, its good to hear you like to have children.
I was going from some old stuff you had posted about kids being a bother (you may have meant other people's kids)
If you truly look forward to that aspect its a huge plus for you with most women.
As far as your question.
You box the question in such a way that rveryvwomannos looking for momentary compensation for their luck on genetic lottery.
Your answer is easy, simply avoid people with that mentality.
Relative attractiveness does not define someone's personality.
Women can run into the issue in reverse, and you are seemingly a prime eample.
If men have the mentality of only interested in the outer package they tend to avoid them.
Why? Because they know its shallow and appearance is fleeting,and they know there are men that certainlh will appreciate physical beauty,but will care about who they are as a person and how the think and feel.
So they look for those men.
You need to avoid women who are overly concerned with looks, money,etc.
Yes a lot of online stuff from.fsu is going to be based that way. That's the nature if the beast.
Sort thru that.
I still think you'll have better odds with a good girl in UK ,but yes just as difficult to sort out.
Not sure where you got the bother of having children from, if it was me then I probably meant other people's kids or more the effort side of thing that needs to be put in. Possibly might not have meant bother literally just as in bother as more than the everyday sort of thing you do.
Yes I would like to have children and can see joy in it though of course I would not be expecting it without work.
Well I tend to find those model type looking girls are always after what they can get as a result of their looks. Might be more so in Ukraine where it's more the traditional system of the guy providing. So the hottest girl knows that her looks can bag her a guy who is wealthy or earns good money and hence a much more comfortable lifestyle.
Not sure how they determine if a man is just interested in the outer package, nearly all mean are turned on by a hot looking girl. Obviously there are her interests and communicating with her, getting on with her personality. A guy who ignores those us probably going to fall out of favour with a girl but that's pretty rudimentary I would have thought for most guys.
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I was shy in middle school and my freshman year of high school. I grew super fast and I played
sports. I was clumsy and shy, as I got more coordinated and better at sports I gained confidence.
I worked on gaining confidence in other ways. I did door to door volunteer work for my school,
church group and others selling subscriptions, cakes, and other stuff. Nothing will make you more
confident than having the door slammed in your face 100 times.
You don't walk up the the 108th door in fear. By then it's a total piece of cake.
It's confidence that women want. I see hot women all the time with plain to average men.
Women want confidence.
NOTE: This is for Newbies because Trench never does anything productive or follows advice.
Join Toastmasters, volunteer to call people on the phone for donations for something you
believe in. You don't have to stay being a social misfit, you can learn this. This is not something
you are born with or not. You can learn how to be confident. If you have a brain and the willpower
you can learn this.
If you have a brain and willpower you can improve your body in the gym. If you have a brain and
willpower then you can learn Russian, if you have a brain and willpower you can find an intelligent,
sexy, hot Russian woman to fall in love with you.
No brain or willpower? This adventure is not for you.
That's strange Bill, I wouldn't have any wish to do door to door at that age, plenty of other more joyful things to do. Why did you chose to do it? I don't think really any young people do that in the UK and very few older people. Possibly more a US thing, here I don't really like door to door, usually tradesmen, occasionally religious types or politicians. I have a door viewer so I can determine which and not open the door to anyone other than the electrical meter reader or delivery guy.
Anyhow? Not sure how getting the door slammed in your face helps with confidence, would have thought the opposite, I'm going to guess being able to deal with rejection. How did you have it licked by the time you reached the 108th door?
Myself I used to be really bad at public speaking as in standing up and delivering a presentation when in further education college, just way too nervous. Took a few years but I'm fine at it now, not nervous at all really, so got fairly good at it by the end of uni. Guess it was just the practice. Don't do presentation delivery now as no longer at uni of course and don't need it for my job. For me I don't think it confidence I need, it's more social talking ability I think, I mean I can talk to people ok I just don't really excell at it like sone people do especially in very social situations such as get togethers.
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Ok, I was wrong to think you might have any clue, you clearly haven't attained the level of cheerleader hottieness type of girl like 2tallbill has.
Oh, he has a clue. What he was telling you is exactly what Jumper is telling you, albeit not as nicely. You, OTOH, remain relatively clueless.
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That's strange Bill, I wouldn't have any wish to do door to door at that age, plenty of other more joyful things to do. Why did you chose to do it? I don't think really any young people do that in the UK and very few older people. Possibly more a US thing, here I don't really like door to door, usually tradesmen, occasionally religious types or politicians. I have a door viewer so I can determine which and not open the door to anyone other than the electrical meter reader or delivery guy.
Anyhow? Not sure how getting the door slammed in your face helps with confidence, would have thought the opposite, I'm going to guess being able to deal with rejection. How did you have it licked by the time you reached the 108th door?
Myself I used to be really bad at public speaking as in standing up and delivering a presentation when in further education college, just way too nervous. Took a few years but I'm fine at it now, not nervous at all really, so got fairly good at it by the end of uni. Guess it was just the practice. Don't do presentation delivery now as no longer at uni of course and don't need it for my job. For me I don't think it confidence I need, it's more social talking ability I think, I mean I can talk to people ok I just don't really excell at it like sone people do especially in very social situations such as get togethers.
I've done door to door selling for all kinds of things..it's a great way to meet women.
Canvassing for new customers for milkmen was one of the best.I had a sob story down pat for the local milkie..and the women would start giggling to which i'd reply "I'll get the violin out in a minute "which would bring out great laughter and them telling me how cool i was while looking me up and down and asking me if i'd be their milkman..to which i'd reply" no but i'll have your phone number and i can give you a call".."sign me up then" was the normal response.; ))
I've had three women fighting to get my attention in one of their front gardens.
I had another young woman start laughing at something her friend in the kitchen had said.
i asked "what did she say "? with a grin on my face.....never be confrontational.
She replied "she said she wants to lick you all over ".
So i said "tell her to make sure she's home when i knock on her door then "
I could never chat up a girl in a club or bar..too noisy and she has too many distractions...but when you knock on their door then you have their sole attention.
I used to get invited to parties and told by hotties it was their birthday on a regular basis.
You don't need to be flash or look like a male model or be loaded....just be sure of yourself and make them laugh.
I remember one house i called on where the mum said her twentysomething daughter had collapsed on her bed in a swoon.
She tells me her daughter said as she was looking out of the living-room window "Mum look at the car that guys got,and look how gorgeous he is and.....oh my god he's walking up our driveway and is going to knock on our door..i'm not letting him see me looking like this " : ))
A cheeky grin and a helloooo when a stunner opens the door is guaranteed to get them giggling with a twinkle in their eye...the hardest part is finding out whether they're single or married and just looking for a fling : )
I was doing all this while i was your age Trench..and as with Bill i was painfully shy at school.
I was so shy i actually asked a friend of mine to give a girl i fancied at school a birthday present from me..as i thought how awkward it would be if she said "get lost creep" to me...i never did ask her out.
Bill often gives you good advise about women and all you do is look for excuses why it's not for you, whilst fantasising about pulling some tarty-looking hottie even though you don't seem to possess any social skills.
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I've done door to door selling for all kinds of things..it's a great way to meet women.
Canvassing for new customers for milkmen was one of the best.I had a sob story down pat for the local milkie..and the women would start giggling to which i'd reply "I'll get the violin out in a minute "which would bring out great laughter and them telling me how cool i was while looking me up and down and asking me if i'd be their milkman..to which i'd reply" no but i'll have your phone number and i can give you a call".."sign me up then" was the normal response.; ))
I've had three women fighting to get my attention in one of their front gardens.
I had another young woman start laughing at something her friend in the kitchen had said.
i asked "what did she say "? with a grin on my face.....never be confrontational.
She replied "she said she wants to lick you all over ".
So i said "tell her to make sure she's home when i knock on her door then "
I could never chat up a girl in a club or bar..too noisy and she has too many distractions...but when you knock on their door then you have their sole attention.
I used to get invited to parties and told by hotties it was their birthday on a regular basis.
You don't need to be flash or look like a male model or be loaded....just be sure of yourself and make them laugh.
I remember one house i called on where the mum said her twentysomething daughter had collapsed on her bed in a swoon.
She tells me her daughter said as she was looking out of the living-room window "Mum look at the car that guys got,and look how gorgeous he is and.....oh my god he's walking up our driveway and is going to knock on our door..i'm not letting him see me looking like this " : ))
A cheeky grin and a helloooo when a stunner opens the door is guaranteed to get them giggling with a twinkle in their eye...the hardest part is finding out whether they're single or married and just looking for a fling : )
I was doing all this while i was your age Trench..and as with Bill i was painfully shy at school.
I was so shy i actually asked a friend of mine to give a girl i fancied at school a birthday present from me..as i thought how awkward it would be if she said "get lost creep" to me...i never did ask her out.
Bill often gives you good advise about women and all you do is look for excuses why it's not for you, whilst fantasising about pulling some tarty-looking hottie even though you don't seem to possess any social skills.
"Mum look at the car that guys got,and look how gorgeous he is and....."
So you had a nice car and you are good looking, I would suspect at least above average looks from what that girl said.
I would very much doubt that she would have batted an eyelid if you were an average guy driving an everyday car or some crap old banger, she might have been curious at best as to what you were walking up her drive for. You basically had it won most of the time before even walking up the drive or knocking on the door, the speil was just a necessary bridge to hit it up with the girl, age knew it you knew it.
A guy who is everyday average looking or worse would have a far harder time. Most women would see him as a creepo as soon as the speil comes out and realise it's an attempt to hit them up. A very odd few might go for it but likely not the best woman. For it to work for an average looking guy he would probably need to be well dressed, at least a fairly flash car and likely work out a fair bit then his odds might (only might) just improve.
The statement the mother said of the girl said it all, it would have been what most of the women would think who you knocked on their door with. The fact that the girl got so excite to tell her mother and possibly the mother got excited to tell you tells me that you were already hitting it out of the ballpark. So for someone who has it all lined up like that door to door is a good idea, not so much about building social skills as about knocking on doors until inevitably a young enough, pretty enough girl answers. My guess is that would happen fairly regularly as you describe so not too dreary having to knock on doors and get rebuffed all the time. It was basically a case of knowing that you would be winning the (girl) lottery in the very near future and the joyous thought that would bring.
I would definitely need a new car, I have a decent set of threads and I'm 6ft tall, if I worked out a bit more, then possibly I might swing it with one or two. Possibly my chances might increase down the local social housing estate, possibly not who knows. Whether I might get shagging a single girl who might want a relationship or some dudes wife who knows, the latter of course could end up awkward.
I'll give it to you CB the door to door like you say is a better get than a nightclub. Having the prospect of possibly hitting it off with a girl is a good driver to do it but success rate for me I think may not be very good at all. A possible potential post virus activity if we ever get there I guess.
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Ok, I was wrong to think you might have any clue, you clearly haven't attained the level of cheerleader hottieness type of girl like 2tallbill has.
You can think what you like.
Just remember, I’m the one living the Dream, married to a beautiful ( in every way) woman, while you’re wandering about waving your p****r and fantasizing about hotties.
Carry on.
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"Mum look at the car that guys got,and look how gorgeous he is and....."
So you had a nice car and you are good looking, I would suspect at least above average looks from what that girl said.
I would very much doubt that she would have batted an eyelid if you were an average guy driving an everyday car or some crap old banger, she might have been curious at best as to what you were walking up her drive for. You basically had it won most of the time before even walking up the drive or knocking on the door, the speil was just a necessary bridge to hit it up with the girl, age knew it you knew it.
A guy who is everyday average looking or worse would have a far harder time. Most women would see him as a creepo as soon as the speil comes out and realise it's an attempt to hit them up. A very odd few might go for it but likely not the best woman. For it to work for an average looking guy he would probably need to be well dressed, at least a fairly flash car and likely work out a fair bit then his odds might (only might) just improve.
The statement the mother said of the girl said it all, it would have been what most of the women would think who you knocked on their door with. The fact that the girl got so excite to tell her mother and possibly the mother got excited to tell you tells me that you were already hitting it out of the ballpark. So for someone who has it all lined up like that door to door is a good idea, not so much about building social skills as about knocking on doors until inevitably a young enough, pretty enough girl answers. My guess is that would happen fairly regularly as you describe so not too dreary having to knock on doors and get rebuffed all the time. It was basically a case of knowing that you would be winning the (girl) lottery in the very near future and the joyous thought that would bring.
I would definitely need a new car, I have a decent set of threads and I'm 6ft tall, if I worked out a bit more, then possibly I might swing it with one or two. Possibly my chances might increase down the local social housing estate, possibly not who knows. Whether I might get shagging a single girl who might want a relationship or some dudes wife who knows, the latter of course could end up awkward.
I'll give it to you CB the door to door like you say is a better get than a nightclub. Having the prospect of possibly hitting it off with a girl is a good driver to do it but success rate for me I think may not be very good at all. A possible potential post virus activity if we ever get there I guess.
Yes i had a nice car at that time..sporty-looking job,but i've never considered myself especially good-looking and i've never been a gym goer.
Girls basically ignored me at school and girls never flocked to me in nightclubs,so i can't be that hot.
I'm 5'9" and when i was door-knocking i had a slim build,full head of hair and full set of ivory coloured non-white teeth..so nothing special.
The only girl who ever actually approached me in a club asked me for a dance but i didn't fancy her at all so i said "no thanks ".
I was with my brother at the time and she asked him if i was gay.
His reply was "I'm his brother and no he isn't gay...but he might turn gay if you hang around much longer " : )
The car incident was a one-off in that i parked my car at the bottom of a road,then i'd door-knock four or five roads before walking back to the car and driving to park in another road and starting again...so that girl was actually the only one who knew i had that car when i turned up on their doors.
Her telling her mum i was gorgeous would suggest she liked my appearance yes,but the vast majority of men everywhere will stumble across a girl somewhere who actually likes the look of them..that's how they stumble across a girlfriend/future wife.
Another thing is i didn't dress particularly well for door-knocking..just smart and casual with a decent pair of shoes.
The one occasion i did look smart,i was working straight after a business meeting and started canvassing for the local milkman,and early on a woman said i was a scammer because i looked too smart to be working for the local milk depot !!
So your reasons as to why i found door-knocking a good way to meet women don't really wash.
By the way my brother is still door-knocking for very expensive Patios and Driveways now..he's married and not looking for women....and he's been knocking in London since the first lockdown ended about a year ago.
He's not earning the money he was earning pre Covid but he's still making a decent living.
You need to stop looking for reasons why something won't work for you and turn it into "i'll give it a go " attitude...it might change your life for the better and you've got nothing to lose.
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That's strange Bill, I wouldn't have any wish to do door to door at that age, plenty of other more joyful things to do. Why did you chose to do it? I don't think really any young people do that in the UK and very few older people. Possibly more a US thing, here I don't really like door to door, usually tradesmen, occasionally religious types or politicians. I have a door viewer so I can determine which and not open the door to anyone other than the electrical meter reader or delivery guy.
Trench,
I didn't write any of this for you. You are too thick to do anything to improve your
lot in life. I don't expect you to do a single thing that I suggest. You have low self
discipline otherwise your remodeling project would have been completed when
there were still leaves on the trees.
You would have learned some Russian and you would have gone to the gym 5 days
per week, but you didn't because you don't have enough self discipline.
Anyhow? Not sure how getting the door slammed in your face helps with confidence, would have
thought the opposite, I'm going to guess being able to deal with rejection. How did you have it
licked by the time you reached the 108th door?
I had it licked before I reached my 30th door, but it's just facing your fears and
each time your fears become less. Eventually you have confidence rather than fear.
For me I don't think it confidence I need, it's more social talking ability I think, I mean
I can talk to people ok I just don't really excell at it like sone people do especially in
very social situations such as get togethers.
It's confidence you need. You suck at it because you don't practice and you lack confidence.
I go to trade shows all the time, I introduce myself and ask customers to do business with
me. If you stood beside me, you would hear the same thing over and over again, but I am
constantly tweaking the questions that I ask and the answers I give getting better and better
each time.
It's exactly the same in social situations. Like door knocking or sales conventions it's practice
that leads to competence which eventually leads to confidence.
When you know you have 100 doors to knock on door numbers 3, 27 or 68 lose their importance
and if you goof up, no big deal, you just go on to the next one.
Finding Mrs 2tallbill wasn't significantly different. By the time I found Angel Eyes, I had thousands
of interactions with FSUW.
Analogy Alert
In gold mining you have to shovel tons of sand and gravel to find a nugget of gold. The more
you shovel, the sooner the nugget will appear. Rarely will your first shovel have a nugget in
it. You have to keep shoveling until the gold pops up never knowing how long it will take.
In seeking a candidate to be Mrs 2tallbill. I literally sifted through thousands of women.
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Trench,
I didn't write any of this for you. You are too thick to do anything to improve your
lot in life. I don't expect you to do a single thing that I suggest. You have low self
discipline otherwise your remodeling project would have been completed when
there were still leaves on the trees.
You would have learned some Russian and you would have gone to the gym 5 days
per week, but you didn't because you don't have enough self discipline.
I had it licked before I reached my 30th door, but it's just facing your fears and
each time your fears become less. Eventually you have confidence rather than fear.
It's confidence you need. You suck at it because you don't practice and you lack confidence.
I go to trade shows all the time, I introduce myself and ask customers to do business with
me. If you stood beside me, you would hear the same thing over and over again, but I am
constantly tweaking the questions that I ask and the answers I give getting better and better
each time.
It's exactly the same in social situations. Like door knocking or sales conventions it's practice
that leads to competence which eventually leads to confidence.
When you know you have 100 doors to knock on door numbers 3, 27 or 68 lose their importance
and if you goof up, no big deal, you just go on to the next one.
Finding Mrs 2tallbill wasn't significantly different. By the time I found Angel Eyes, I had thousands
of interactions with FSUW.
Analogy Alert
In gold mining you have to shovel tons of sand and gravel to find a nugget of gold. The more
you shovel, the sooner the nugget will appear. Rarely will your first shovel have a nugget in
it. You have to keep shoveling until the gold pops up never knowing how long it will take.
In seeking a candidate to be Mrs 2tallbill. I literally sifted through thousands of women.
I'm willing to give it a go Bill, come Spring/Summer the house will be done, the weather improving and hopefully the virus situation too. I've always wondered why people do door to door, trade shows etc, I always just kind of wrote that stuff of as a pointless pia, with people bothering people for desperation to make a sale. I see now from what you & CB tell us that it can be so much more than that. My guess is that apart from possibly pulling women, possibly gaining better talking skills that you can get off on clinching the deal also plus making money along the way off course.
I don't really have a fear off knocking on doors so much, I would have done when younger I'm pretty sure. It's really more better talking skills I could do with, I mean I can talk to people ok without fear but coming across really well, better than just ok is something that I could really do with I think. My father had a sales side and he was way better talking to people than I am so I can see how it could help.
Confidence, it's not so much like I couldn't talk to women, easier these days than it used to be I think. It's more that if you know you don't excell at talking/socialising with people/women then you can only really be so confident/not that confident. I can see that trying the sales stuff may indeed help with that so I'll definitely give it a go.
Anyway, stuff has been progressing slowly with the other stuff, I've gone from a body fat percentage of around 27 percent a couple of months or so ago to around 23 percent today, the diet is working well :) Muscle percentage has invariably increased as a result of fat decrease so difficult to tell on that. The arm muscles are fairly hard though part of that may be due to fat decrease. Still more work needs to be done on that and I will be focussing on doing more on that now that my diet is sorted.
Learning Russian has still been on hold. I've had other stuff I've been working on aside from the house. I will get back to that as soon as the house is finished so I can devote more quality time to it. I know the better I get at it the more advantageous it will be to me when dating FSU women. Being able to converse a little in their native tongue will go a long way I think with them.
So I will get to doing it all, I can't do it all in an instant but it is coming together and the results are telling I think.
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Yes i had a nice car at that time..sporty-looking job,but i've never considered myself especially good-looking and i've never been a gym goer.
Girls basically ignored me at school and girls never flocked to me in nightclubs,so i can't be that hot.
I'm 5'9" and when i was door-knocking i had a slim build,full head of hair and full set of ivory coloured non-white teeth..so nothing special.
The only girl who ever actually approached me in a club asked me for a dance but i didn't fancy her at all so i said "no thanks ".
I was with my brother at the time and she asked him if i was gay.
His reply was "I'm his brother and no he isn't gay...but he might turn gay if you hang around much longer " : )
The car incident was a one-off in that i parked my car at the bottom of a road,then i'd door-knock four or five roads before walking back to the car and driving to park in another road and starting again...so that girl was actually the only one who knew i had that car when i turned up on their doors.
Her telling her mum i was gorgeous would suggest she liked my appearance yes,but the vast majority of men everywhere will stumble across a girl somewhere who actually likes the look of them..that's how they stumble across a girlfriend/future wife.
Another thing is i didn't dress particularly well for door-knocking..just smart and casual with a decent pair of shoes.
The one occasion i did look smart,i was working straight after a business meeting and started canvassing for the local milkman,and early on a woman said i was a scammer because i looked too smart to be working for the local milk depot !!
So your reasons as to why i found door-knocking a good way to meet women don't really wash.
By the way my brother is still door-knocking for very expensive Patios and Driveways now..he's married and not looking for women....and he's been knocking in London since the first lockdown ended about a year ago.
He's not earning the money he was earning pre Covid but he's still making a decent living.
You need to stop looking for reasons why something won't work for you and turn it into "i'll give it a go " attitude...it might change your life for the better and you've got nothing to lose.
Girls never flocked to me in the nightclubs either lol. I think they are really meant for very extrovert guys.
Yeah I will definitely give door to door a go CB, this Spring/Summer looks like it should be possible.
I think Smart/Casual is the way to go, it tends to rock well with the younger chicks and no doubt the older ones done right. I never really had much of a clue on smart casual for men until meeting Kherson girl, she was heavily into fashion and she came with the benefit of being able to show me what I thought was smart casual was really more just smart as in more like office gear I guess.
Anyhow I think it's the way to go, gives a more relaxed feel that probably plays better at the door, puts people at ease perhaps. I don't know how you look so you could well be right. I think women notice shoes a lot more than men and appreciate if a guy is wearing decent shoes.
The nightclub thing makes me laugh, I think many women think all guys want sex with whatever woman who is willing. I know that only sone men are like that, I myself can only go with a woman I feel into/aroused by otherwise I just can't stomach it.
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One of the things I have been thinking about along the way on a slightly different note is whether Kherson girl might be the right girl for me. I know that is breaking one of the rules not to recycle women but as someone said not so long ago on here it's possible to succeed at this and not follow all of the rules. The way I see that rule is primarily for women you message and secondly any women you meet but turn out to be totally ill-suited to.
The thing with Kherson girl is that I'm not so sure we were totally ill-suited to one another. People can break up as is often the case in cross-cultural relationships due to misunderstandings because of different values and upbringing in each others culture. Kherson girl seemed into two things, Fashion and being Photographed. Fashion I was not into at the time but she helped me out in terms of looking better, stuff I have taken on board. Photography I have since bought a second hand Canon DSLR camera for a couple of hundred quid or so, lens, etc and have taken it up as a hobby. It's quite a nice hobby to have and it suits me I think, quite relaxful and aesthetic aesthetically pleasing. I haven't changed to suit her but found these areas I can enjoy quite well. I like women wearing nice sexy things and while I'm not obsessed with fashion or into buying the next expensive item out there I can see it's benefits.
She possibly has the odd other interest I bought her done gym gear, I don't think she's a regular gym goer but then neither am I. I think get personality and mine suit each other well enough. So my thoughts are on possibly contacting her again. I guess the one hold out is the buying clothing for her. Logically she doesn't earn much as she works in retail (probably $150 a month) and she probably doesn't keep all of that, food, etc. So logically I would have to buy her stuff I guess. For me at the time it was kind of alien as our culture doesn't work that way, hasn't for decades. I personally don't want to buy her clothes until in a permanent live in relationship though so that is where I will have to make my stand with her on any other woman like her I think. I bought her stuff before and though a while back will have to suffice I think. Same for any other girl that she would have to make do with what she has until in a permanent live in together relationship.
The Russian armies may invade soon putting Kherson girl in harm's way potentially. I know it's another rule not to try being a white knight as a desperate girl will act differently will no longer desperate, but I recall a member here saving his other half and MIL from Libya during its civil war and it working out so I'm thinking it may not necessarily hold as a hard and fast rule. So just thinking it over in my head, I may not have long though of course.
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One of the things I have been thinking about along the way on a slightly different note is whether Kherson girl might be the right girl for me. I know that is breaking one of the rules not to recycle women but as someone said not so long ago on here it's possible to succeed at this and not follow all of the rules. The way I see that rule is primarily for women you message and secondly any women you meet but turn out to be totally ill-suited to.
The thing with Kherson girl is that I'm not so sure we were totally ill-suited to one another. People can break up as is often the case in cross-cultural relationships due to misunderstandings because of different values and upbringing in each others culture. Kherson girl seemed into two things, Fashion and being Photographed. Fashion I was not into at the time but she helped me out in terms of looking better, stuff I have taken on board. Photography I have since bought a second hand Canon DSLR camera for a couple of hundred quid or so, lens, etc and have taken it up as a hobby. It's quite a nice hobby to have and it suits me I think, quite relaxful and aesthetic aesthetically pleasing. I haven't changed to suit her but found these areas I can enjoy quite well. I like women wearing nice sexy things and while I'm not obsessed with fashion or into buying the next expensive item out there I can see it's benefits.
She possibly has the odd other interest I bought her done gym gear, I don't think she's a regular gym goer but then neither am I. I think get personality and mine suit each other well enough. So my thoughts are on possibly contacting her again. I guess the one hold out is the buying clothing for her. Logically she doesn't earn much as she works in retail (probably $150 a month) and she probably doesn't keep all of that, food, etc. So logically I would have to buy her stuff I guess. For me at the time it was kind of alien as our culture doesn't work that way, hasn't for decades. I personally don't want to buy her clothes until in a permanent live in relationship though so that is where I will have to make my stand with her on any other woman like her I think. I bought her stuff before and though a while back will have to suffice I think. Same for any other girl that she would have to make do with what she has until in a permanent live in together relationship.
The Russian armies may invade soon putting Kherson girl in harm's way potentially. I know it's another rule not to try being a white knight as a desperate girl will act differently will no longer desperate, but I recall a member here saving his other half and MIL from Libya during its civil war and it working out so I'm thinking it may not necessarily hold as a hard and fast rule. So just thinking it over in my head, I may not have long though of course.
Thought this one over quite a lot and in the end decided its time to move on from Kherson Girl. While we were not totally ill-suited the all too frequent buying of stuff was kind of a real pain. Its a shame it didn't work out but I was never really convinced of her commitment to me. That's not an easy thing to live with in a relationship and I guess I really need someone who I feel is devouted to me. She kind of made her choice a few years back to end things so whatever happens is really down to her and the path she chose. I had some good times with her among the issues and I think she probably did too but in the end there wasn't really the needed dynamic there. For me I'm going to put this one to bed, not mention her again and move on. I'm going to make a fresh start this year and contact some new girls and try and make a go of it. Also work on above advice, etc.
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Thought this one over quite a lot and in the end decided its time to move on from Kherson Girl. While we were not totally ill-suited the all too frequent buying of stuff was kind of a real pain. Its a shame it didn't work out but I was never really convinced of her commitment to me. That's not an easy thing to live with in a relationship and I guess I really need someone who I feel is devouted to me. She kind of made her choice a few years back to end things so whatever happens is really down to her and the path she chose. I had some good times with her among the issues and I think she probably did too but in the end there wasn't really the needed dynamic there. For me I'm going to put this one to bed, not mention her again and move on. I'm going to make a fresh start this year and contact some new girls and try and make a go of it. Also work on above advice, etc.
Who’d a thunk it???
When was Kherson girl?
4/5 years ago?
You were too stingy and suspicious to support a visa application for her or something to that effect, IIRC.
She got the measure of you and dropped you like a hot potato.
So yes, high time you moved on and stop your cyber stalking.
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Who’d a thunk it???
When was Kherson girl?
4/5 years ago?
You were too stingy and suspicious to support a visa application for her or something to that effect, IIRC.
She got the measure of you and dropped you like a hot potato.
So yes, high time you moved on and stop your cyber stalking.
About that time, I have met other women for dating since then but always wondered if there might be something still there. I know after so long it usually does mean it's best to drop it and move on.
It was not that I was too stingy to get her a visa it was just that there would be no chance of getting her a visa. They basically reject visa applications from single young women on low incomes, there too much of a risk that they won't return. Most forum members here at the time confirmed that. She was not willing to meet in her home town or anywhere else again. Her home town I could understand but anywhere else made me suspicious. If a girl was really into you then she would meet anywhere, I had only met her in Kiev & Cyprus till then.
During time with her though we were intimate my mind was always a bit unsure of whether she was truely into me. Sometimes there were signs that she may be, other times may be not. I may have not always handled situations in the best way but my experience dating abroad somewhat limited then. Now yeah there is stuff I would differently and find out probably more upfront where I stood.
I've still learnt a lot from the experience even if there was good and bad mixed in. I don't think she got 'the measure of me' as you put it, I was generous to her in buying her clothes, that I would not repeat again, it was an error on my part though I guess it led to me learning stuff. She became argumentative in messages and uncompromising that is pretty impossible to deal with a kind of my way or else so who can have a relationship under those circumstances. Anyhow, time for me to move on and see what the best I can make of my situation if possible.
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About that time, I have met other women for dating since then but always wondered if there might be something still there. I know after so long it usually does mean it's best to drop it and move on.
It was not that I was too stingy to get her a visa it was just that there would be no chance of getting her a visa. They basically reject visa applications from single young women on low incomes, there too much of a risk that they won't return. Most forum members here at the time confirmed that.
You mean you used it as a pretext to stop her applying because you weren’t confident that she wouldn’t use you as a visa mule to get to the UK and then wave Sayonara.
There is no blanket rejection of visa applications from young women.
My wife, at the time we applied for her first visa, was not working and had no income, let alone a low income. Yet she still was issued a visa.
I know of many other couples who had no issues getting visas.
Everyone’s individual circumstances are different.
I don’t know who the ‘most forum members’ are who you say ‘confirmed’ the visa refusals but I think you only heard what you wanted to hear as it gave you an easy way out of committing to Kherson girl.
She was not willing to meet in her home town or anywhere else again. Her home town I could understand but anywhere else made me suspicious. If a girl was really into you then she would meet anywhere, I had only met her in Kiev & Cyprus till then.
During time with her though we were intimate my mind was always a bit unsure of whether she was truely into me. Sometimes there were signs that she may be, other times may be not. I may have not always handled situations in the best way but my experience dating abroad somewhat limited then. Now yeah there is stuff I would differently and find out probably more upfront where I stood.
I've still learnt a lot from the experience even if there was good and bad mixed in. I don't think she got 'the measure of me' as you put it, I was generous to her in buying her clothes, that I would not repeat again, it was an error on my part though I guess it led to me learning stuff. She became argumentative in messages and uncompromising that is pretty impossible to deal with a kind of my way or else so who can have a relationship under those circumstances. Anyhow, time for me to move on and see what the best I can make of my situation if possible.
You haven’t learnt anything at all, sad to say. Cultural cues simply wash over you and you only view things through the narrow prism of your prejudice and victim hood.
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You mean you used it as a pretext to stop her applying because you weren’t confident that she wouldn’t use you as a visa mule to get to the UK and then wave Sayonara.
There is no blanket rejection of visa applications from young women.
My wife, at the time we applied for her first visa, was not working and had no income, let alone a low income. Yet she still was issued a visa.
I know of many other couples who had no issues getting visas.
Everyone’s individual circumstances are different.
I don’t know who the ‘most forum members’ are who you say ‘confirmed’ the visa refusals but I think you only heard what you wanted to hear as it gave you an easy way out of committing to Kherson girl.
You haven’t learnt anything at all, sad to say. Cultural cues simply wash over you and you only view things through the narrow prism of your prejudice and victim hood.
I'm not interested in your trolling Gaunty, no more talk of Kherson girl on here for me.
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I'm not interested in your trolling Gaunty, no more talk of Kherson girl on here for me.
Yeah, you’re only interested in validation of your oddball ‘theories’ and misogyny.
Well, you won’t get that from me, fella.
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Yeah, you’re only interested in validation of your oddball ‘theories’ and misogyny.
Well, you won’t get that from me, fella.
I admit dating in the FSU is a bit tricky to understand even end up feeling a bit weird. So if any oddball theories came forth that were a bit wide of the mark it was probably in trying to grapple with that. So probably hence 2tallbill's it's not for first time daters.
I get that I made mistakes along the way on my part and didn't really recognise some nuances along the way. Dating in the FSU was a totally new situation for me with all of the girls I met. I mean how the hell am I supposed to know their dating culture, guess? I don't know what is usual to them in dating and they likely don't know what is usual in dating in the west. It's very possible that the dating values of each are at odds with each other, I wouldn't know as I've never grown up in the FSU and wouldn't even know if I could trust what is being said to me about it from anyone. All I can do is chalk the mistakes I made up to experience and any relationships that failed as a result of that and anything else. Next time if there is a next time hope things don't get messed up as much.
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I admit dating in the FSU is a bit tricky to understand even end up feeling a bit weird. So if any oddball theories came forth that were a bit wide of the mark it was probably in trying to grapple with that. So probably hence 2tallbill's it's not for first time daters.
I’m glad you can be honest about it.
I get that I made mistakes along the way on my part and didn't really recognise some nuances along the way.
You’re not alone in that.
Dating in the FSU was a totally new situation for me with all of the girls I met.
As it’s been for all of us who’ve ventured there.
I mean how the hell am I supposed to know their dating culture, guess?
Of course not. But you should learn from your mistakes which you haven’t.
I don't know what is usual to them in dating and they likely don't know what is usual in dating in the west. It's very possible that the dating values of each are at odds with each other, I wouldn't know as I've never grown up in the FSU and wouldn't even know if I could trust what is being said to me about it from anyone. All I can do is chalk the mistakes I made up to experience and any relationships that failed as a result of that and anything else. Next time if there is a next time hope things don't get messed up as much.
Now you’re back to making excuses again. We’re talking about human relationships. There’s no Idiots guide to help you navigate those but there have been plenty of us on here who’ve tried to help you and share our experiences and knowledge which you completely ignore and carry on going around in circles reverting to your endless theorizing and analysis.
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putting Kherson girl in harm's way potentially
There are three things that single men spend time thinking about sex.
1. Their first time
2. Their last time
3. Their next time
You want all three with the same girl?
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There are three things that single men spend time thinking about sex.
1. Their first time
2. Their last time
3. Their next time
You want all three with the same girl?
It's wasn't about sex Bill. I kind of liked her in a way she had a sort of endearing side to her and in some ways I think we got along sometimes even in our times of disagreement. When I look at it logically I don't see the signs adding up to her being serious about a relationship or into me as she made out but for some reason I still think of her I'm not sure why. It's feels kind of strange spending that time on holiday with her, I find dating Ukrainian girls can be a bit weird times. Anyhow, will press on and see what other women are about and see how it goes.
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She moved on 4 days or 4 weeks later.
There shouldn't be a single thought about her bouncing in your head.
A distant memory at best.
It makes no difference why it dint work out at this point.It simply did not.
So absolutely move on.
There is nothing to dwell on, there is nothing to learn (or youdod,or would have years ago when it ended)
Things often don't work out dating, domestically,internationally etc.
It is exactly how it works.
The exception is when it works out long-term.
That is part of your problem.
The more attempts the more mistarts,mistakes, more strat ups thst fizzle, bring you closer to.that one time it does work.
Having one or two dates per decade is simply not enough odds.
Get out there locally!!
Stop making excuses.
Include international Dating if you feel up to it.
It's more difficult so stop.pretending otherwise.
The quicker you recognize that locally is easier and more likely to be productive ,the better.
You can still choose to.keep your international.options open.
What is wrong with a nice polish,or French or Spanish women? Dutch? Etc
Keep all options open.
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She moved on 4 days or 4 weeks later.
There shouldn't be a single thought about her bouncing in your head.
A distant memory at best.
It makes no difference why it dint work out at this point.It simply did not.
So absolutely move on.
There is nothing to dwell on, there is nothing to learn (or youdod,or would have years ago when it ended)
Things often don't work out dating, domestically,internationally etc.
It is exactly how it works.
The exception is when it works out long-term.
That is part of your problem.
The more attempts the more mistarts,mistakes, more strat ups thst fizzle, bring you closer to.that one time it does work.
Having one or two dates per decade is simply not enough odds.
Get out there locally!!
Stop making excuses.
Include international Dating if you feel up to it.
It's more difficult so stop.pretending otherwise.
The quicker you recognize that locally is easier and more likely to be productive ,the better.
You can still choose to.keep your international.options open.
What is wrong with a nice polish,or French or Spanish women? Dutch? Etc
Keep all options open.
Yeah, your're right Jumper, I've realise recently that I need to get dating many more women than the odd few I have bee. I've been busy building some wealth behind me, not loads, many on here no doubt far more wealth than me but I kind of get the impression that many of the guys on here are somewhat ahead of many in their country on that front.
The door to door I think may possibly give potential to dates locally, possibly. Online dating sites in the west suck real bad as the women on there tend to be real bad, bad attitudes, wants, etc. So that's a non option, I've tried speed dating and that is not much if any better, I could try in a different area but I don't fancy my chances.
For me FSU dating is still one of the best options going. The more traditional way their dating is kind of suits me though of course not always perfect but then what is.
Polish ladies in the UK tend to stick to their own in the majority of cases I think they probably think English guys are scum, not brought up with the same values good values as their men and kind of outsiders to their community. There is of course the whole catholic thing going with them, I'm not big on religion and even if I was I doubt they would see me as saintly enough to go with.
French and Spanish girls you don't get a lot of here you may be surprised to here, never have. Possibly a few Spanish might have come over when unemployment was high a few years ago, but don't think they stayed and probably kept hard at work. In gerneral those countries economy is usually good enough not to have much reason to come here other than a possible change of scene. Both countries have pretty areaas and plenty of land for housing, etc.
Now a few years ago, right before I got into looking at European Dating I decided to do a road trip around France for about three weeks from Northern France, through Paris down to Lyon, the Alps then towards and into Nice, etc then back up the other side to Bordeaux and back to Northern France. I noticed the French girls are a lot more feminine than UK girls, they seem quite sweet and soft, possibly not quite a feminine as FSW but nicer feeling than most UK girls. That said many don't speak good English and my French is not that great. They probably don't have much reason to date an English guy unless they fall really into him. Again their culture is likely a little different ot ours so they have their own men to satisfy their needs. Go out into the country enough and even though many English visit FRance each year you will probably be seen as a little exotic, but English likely to be less spoken out those parts, mostly English language seems most prevalent in Northern FRance, Normandy, Paris and possibly South of France, Nice, etc.
I mean sure it may be possible to pull abroad but agin living in the culture and immersing yourself as far as you can in the culture is likely to pay dividends. Nothing is guarenteed of course and it depends what you're after and it will probably not necessarily happen straight away but it may happen. For me though it possibly is a bit late in the day to try and pull in a West European country. A lot of those women will probably go more age similar, I'm not saying a large age gap is something I could attain in the FSU or be something that would serve me well but well thing is many women in western Europe will be sortted with a guy probably by their late twenties, the ones that are left or become re-available probably are'nt a great pool to be dating in.
Obviously the virus is still hampering things but hopefully that will fall away to more milder versions still after a couple more weeks or so of Omicron I'm guessing. So if that happens hopefully dating should get a whole lost more accessible like to used to be.
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The French trip sounds awesome.
I'd just try to get out as much as possible.
Even a day trip,or weekend.
I get you've been fixing up the home.
But in dating there is never a better time than the present.
I do get the polish stick to their community a bit.
But in.my area there are over 1 million polish.
I have dated quite a few local polish women when I was single.
Normally over some common hobby or interest.
So while it may present some challenge, there are certainly some that will date outside that narrow culture.
Just like looking in ukraine,yiu dint need 1000, you only concern yourself with the few .
I just wouldn't put your eggs in one basket, that's a tough basket you've chosen.
While I certainly am guilty of looking there,I never forgot my local.options,nor the fact that the local.options were more likely
to work out.
I was a bit flippant about international dating as I had lived in many countries so considered it somewhat normal, although the mob side of it it very far from normal.
I often was trying to put that genie back in the bottle.
Luckily I guess it dint work out for me,and something really special struck me about my wife.
It helped a lot that she contacted me daily,we spoke in chat or the phone and that she had a relaxed easy going personality and fantastic sense of humor.
Sometimes it is better to be lucky than smart.
This overall is not a smart thing to do.
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The French trip sounds awesome.
I'd just try to get out as much as possible.
Even a day trip,or weekend.
I get you've been fixing up the home.
But in dating there is never a better time than the present.
I do get the polish stick to their community a bit.
But in.my area there are over 1 million polish.
I have dated quite a few local polish women when I was single.
Normally over some common hobby or interest.
So while it may present some challenge, there are certainly some that will date outside that narrow culture.
Just like looking in ukraine,yiu dint need 1000, you only concern yourself with the few .
I just wouldn't put your eggs in one basket, that's a tough basket you've chosen.
While I certainly am guilty of looking there,I never forgot my local.options,nor the fact that the local.options were more likely
to work out.
I was a bit flippant about international dating as I had lived in many countries so considered it somewhat normal, although the mob side of it it very far from normal.
I often was trying to put that genie back in the bottle.
Luckily I guess it dint work out for me,and something really special struck me about my wife.
It helped a lot that she contacted me daily,we spoke in chat or the phone and that she had a relaxed easy going personality and fantastic sense of humor.
Sometimes it is better to be lucky than smart.
This overall is not a smart thing to do.
Yeah, I know there are issues dating in the FSU, Ukraine. While it comes with plusses it also comes with minuses of women not being sincere with why they are trying to date a western man, differences in culture etc.
There can if course be problems dating girls in the UK, many are after certain things as 2tallbill said above, 'confidence' as in is the guy good socially, good job, etc. FSW can be more 'just get the guy out earning and hand over the pay cheque' mentality. So long as they are not too over-zealous on that front then it can be an easier fit. Many I think dating in your own country is easier but I think it can look easier on the surface than it really is. Sure if you have what women want it is easier but if you don't then it can be really hard just getting your foot in the door. That's before you get to the career women & overweight women, etc issues. Suddenly despite all its difficulties FSW dating can be a bit more of an open door. One guy on another western forum I was browsing recently in his twenties was asking why UK women were so picky? Lol. They are especially around that age I think, answer is not to try and fulfill their requirements but to over Excell in being successful and in many good character traits. Odds are they will probably then all seek the guy out but of course doing so well is not easy or we would be doing it.
Anyhow, yeah it can be pretty weird dating in the FSU at times, most dates I've been on there have been a little odd in some way. It kind of reminds me of that love me dating documentary where the poor chap has sone Ukrainian guy faking it being a police officer to screw him for cash with some bs story right as he needs to catch his flight. That woman really screwed with that poor guy's head. Later she got him sending her more money. I very much doubt it that she would like it if it was her with some guy making out ge was hot on her then using her. Even on here we hear if sone odd ball stories from time to time while interesting I'm pretty sure the guy can do without the weird and wonderful occuring to him while he's just trying to find a woman to love.
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I admit though there is one thing I never really understood about Kherson girl that is kind of like an unsolved murder mystery. Why was she so intent on me wanting to bring her to the UK???
Many reasons are abound on this one, there are the obvious ones like another holiday, more clothes buying, visa mule whether legal or skip off, try to land another guy, etc. I'm not really sure on any of them, the clothes stuff she had done a lot of plus she refused meet up elsewhere, another holiday again she refused to meet up elsewhere, visa mule, well legal would have been a more lengthy situation, illegal would likely mean her meeting up with other Ukrainians already in the country, try to land another guy well her English was apparently not good - maybe possible her father was apparently working in Poland illegally so would suggest she probably saw it as a viable option possibly. The pound of course being a very attractive currency. On the other hand unfamiliar with the country so ???
She basically seemed to be really pushing for it and was not happy when I said it wasn't possible. One recent thought tonight is possibly while she wasn't perhaps that into me maybe I was a better option to go with than she otherwise had. I admit while I was with her I picked up on a few signs that she probably didn't find me that attractive. On the whole though maybe I was ahead of the local competition at that time so possibly she might have been considering going with me in a relationship. Whether she would or it would have lasted who knows. All the clothes buying I think was to satisfy what she couldn't get herself, time over again I wouldn't do that, it just wreaks a relationship in most cases if there was ever the intent there for one. Better to find out up front if she is really interested and see if she walks or not.
Like I say kind of weird dating situation, I learnt stuff and gained in some ways but guess I would have preferred it not being quite as weird feeling.
Thought just thinking if she didn't want to meet up in another country (easier to meet up/live with each other) then possibly point to not being into me much at all. While she used to look at me intently so did first girl I met in Kiev they can kind of be like that. She did want to say she wanted to see where I lived as thought I might be married but at that point when she brought it up I thought she was trying to bully me into it and wondered at that point why so intent on a visa. So idk just kind of weird really.
Other thought is possibly she just wanted to see the sights, tourist land marks, Big Ben, etc get herself photographed in front of them, she was very much into being photographed. Who knows.
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Because it would prove you were serious about her.
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Anyway, just to round this one off I could never be sure why Kherson girl so much seemed to be pushing to come to the UK. She had stated when in Kyiv for a holiday, I agree thinking it would be nice and then after she would cone to the UK. I agreed but didn't think it would be a hard and fast thing, that it would happen down the way. So to see if I was serious, my setup, get familiar with my life, to run off and seek work illegally, to find another more wealthier or younger guy, to see the UK and get me to buy her more stuff? It could be any or many of those I guess. One thing I think for sure that even if it had been fairly straight up I don't think it would have lasted. I think she was more attracted to wealth and not so much into me. The odds of the relationship going anywhere or lasting were slim to none I think. Can only try again to find a more satisfying relationship I think.
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Why was she so intent on me wanting to bring her to the UK???
There were probably several reasons. She probably wanted to
make sure you were serious and not a sex tourist.
I made a huge effort to get Angel Eyes to visit me in the USA.
You would have never made a similar effort.
I put my money in Angel eyes account to get her a Schengen visa.
Then I arranged a trip for Her, Smiley girl and myself to go to Spain.
I ended up losing my job and could not go with them, but I sent them
on the trip alone anyway.
Could you have done that? No, I didn't think so. Then I put even more
money in her account so that she could get a visa to visit me in the USA.
I wanted her to know where she would live and how her life with me would
be in North Dakota. Easily the worst of the continental 48 states.
Will there ever be a day that you could send a woman thousands of dollars
to put into her account so that she could show officials that she had the
resources to visit you?
I knew Angel Eyes was the real deal. She knew that I trusted her, she knew
that I wanted her to visit me on the surface of Mars (North Dakota). She knew
that I was the real deal.
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Lol Bill!
Yes indeed a woman that will willingly follow a man to the bleakness of norf dakoty,is the real deal.
I actually like north Dakota, for a visit, hahaha ,
but south dakoty over in the foothills is better for sure.