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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2950 on: February 27, 2023, 06:08:33 PM »
Rusya is 19 and as you can see she lost half of one of her legs in the blast.


She was serving as a Comms Systems operator until her vehicle got hit by the Mortar fire.


She intends going back to the frontline when she gets out of hospital.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2951 on: February 27, 2023, 07:57:31 PM »
As of December 1  59,786 women served in the Ukrainian army, of whom 18,000 are civilian workers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 41,000 hold military positions and 5,000 are on the front line.
Tetiana Ostashchenko, the commander of the Medical Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, became the first female general in the Ukrainian army.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2952 on: February 28, 2023, 02:49:13 AM »

Here's a young Ukrainain lady back from the front...she got hit by Mortar fire.


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Poor girl, she looks quite pretty as well. Sorry to see her lose her leg at such a young age from it, can't be nice. I didn't mean if course that no women were at the front line, a few will be but that there will be those near the front line but not on it. Even being near the front line as Bee Farmer has shown us carries some risk as Mortars can go a long way and are often fired behind the front lines. Odds are in proportion male casual rate percentage wise will be higher than female. That and a maimed girl like this unfortunate girl is guts will still see as marriage worthy, a guy who is maimed and so hence struggles to get work won't be seen so.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2953 on: February 28, 2023, 02:58:23 AM »
As of December 1  59,786 women served in the Ukrainian army, of whom 18,000 are civilian workers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 41,000 hold military positions and 5,000 are on the front line.
Tetiana Ostashchenko, the commander of the Medical Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, became the first female general in the Ukrainian army.


Thanks for the figures JDG, yep that's a what I mean so the 5,000 or so female front line troops is really a small amount. That's not to say those behind the line is not somewhat dangerous as CB has highlighted but the greatest risk will usually be on the front line. The military civilians will be likely mostly office staff and will be least at risk.

So the guts will in general be the ones taking most of the casualties being most of those at the front as originally supposed.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2954 on: February 28, 2023, 01:27:42 PM »
what?
are ya gonna be like Paul McCartney?

it was her left leg, she's all right now

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2955 on: February 28, 2023, 11:53:48 PM »
You seem to be again confusing women with puppies, Trench.  This brave woman, even without a leg, will most certainly have many fine suitors among those she served with. 

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2956 on: March 01, 2023, 02:57:44 AM »
what?
are ya gonna be like Paul McCartney?

it was her left leg, she's all right now

Lol, I think it was Stella wasn't it. I think Linda was the one with the Burgers.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2957 on: March 01, 2023, 03:11:56 AM »
You seem to be again confusing women with puppies, Trench.  This brave woman, even without a leg, will most certainly have many fine suitors among those she served with.

Not saying it's impossible stuff like this can sometimes be random and play to the advantage. A lot of the time though stuff like this can be negative. Moreso if she can't get her hands on a bionic leg, she'll either be stuck on crutches or in a wheelchair and that some can find to be a pain to hang around. If there are fewer men or in Ukraine at the end of this then they will have plenty of women to choose from and that can cause issues. The young guys around her age will tend to be active and want to run around doing this and that. Possibly she might find a Ukrainian guy who has been maimed who knows or possibly feel she doesn't need that either even though she is like that.

The hypergamy scale can work in strange ways. I know of someone who is married to a deaf guy. She was not so pretty looking and didn't attract the guys, he was deaf but apparently attractive looking, not a model but above average looks it seems. However because he was deaf pretty much every woman passed over him. This female didn't as she didn't have many options. They ended up married and had a child together, the child was attractive looking with no deafness issues.

Had the guy not been deaf guess what? He wouldn't have been interested in her he would have likey been playing the field, almost certainly have no problems getting a girl and so on and so forth.

So you see how what you get/what happens to you affects your life chances.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2958 on: March 01, 2023, 03:49:35 AM »
Trench,

Other folks are helping them with prostheses without requiring a marriage certificate.  This woman will get a nice one too.

http://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1153472827/ukrainian-soldiers-benefit-from-u-s-prosthetics-expertise-but-their-war-is-diffe

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2959 on: March 01, 2023, 05:17:36 AM »
Ukraine still holds Bakhmut...despite claims to the contrary from the vatniks.



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2960 on: March 01, 2023, 05:36:40 AM »
I reckon Ukraine will try to hold Bakhmut until their spring counter-offensive starts.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2961 on: March 01, 2023, 10:28:34 AM »
I reckon Ukraine will try to hold Bakhmut until their spring counter-offensive starts.

Apparently Russia is/was expected to begin a Spring Offensive so just a question of when/if we see it materialize. Both sides are apparently been getting new tanks so will probably be a case of seeing who opens up an offensive first and where.

The Wagner guy reckons Ukraine is reinforcing Bakhmut with tens of thousands of troops so possibly they may try to push back there. Ukraine government is saying the contrary that they may have to fall back out of the largely destroyed city but that may just be a ruse and I think Russia would be too alert in making the same mistake as before when Ukraine took a large chunk back in the north east of Kharkiv citing they were building up troops in Kherson.

Will have to wait and see if Russia pushes in down from Belarus to Kyiv & Lviv as supposed or whether they might find it more favourable pushing in from the land they already have taken. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia launches an attack in the Zaporizhia region, north westerly as that might be an easier push in for them. Ukrainian troops are apparently along the northern Belarus border and waiting so having reinforced their lines their ready for an attack it might not now be such an easy one for Russia.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2962 on: March 01, 2023, 05:01:28 PM »
Trench,

Other folks are helping them with prostheses without requiring a marriage certificate.  This woman will get a nice one too.

http://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1153472827/ukrainian-soldiers-benefit-from-u-s-prosthetics-expertise-but-their-war-is-diffe

Maybe consider a donation instead.

Good idea BC a donation might help to curry favour with Ukrainian chicks, now I think I've got a spare quid in my pocket I can chip in ;)

I dunno though, think these are probably a handful out of many thousands as the article tells us there are that will get them. I'm guessing without big money going in most will go without and likely just get the old plastic jobs. My guess is that bionic stuff is pretty expensive.

The upside is if they go back in action and get hit again there they need only unbolt their present prosthetic and bolt on a new one ;D

Thing is though as this conflict continues amputees are only likely to increase, on both sides, so I don't see them all getting the good bionic stuff.

For foreigners who have joined up in the Ukrainian army there's the issue that they could loses limb or two and the Ukrainian Army/Government will wash their hands of them. The Ukrainian government like the Russian government is not best known for welfare support, etc. Literally those that went out there to help out would be left on their own most likely. UK guys aren't too bad off as the NHS & welfare state helps out here to sone extent, but there would still likely be a lot of issues that aren't covered by the NHS & welfare state. It's why I wouldn't get involved in any capacity as I don't think you'd find any help in return more it's a harsh world feeling I get the impression.
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The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2963 on: March 03, 2023, 08:25:14 AM »
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2964 on: March 03, 2023, 01:00:02 PM »
Weekend at Bernie's with the Russian economy
it's dead, but Russians pretend it's alive and carry it around...

so when ALL the russian soverign wealth funds say "paka" next year and close up (and I'm hoping Russians will unload their gold - creating a market dip buy opportunity)
russians gonna need more ruble printing presses, a bunch more in big demoninations
and the more they print, the more they inflate, and the more they inflate, the more they NEED to print and the more they ... well ya'll get the picture, right?
when all oil/gas money disappears - where oligarchs? LOL

it's likely that when you add up workers on furlough, etc, unemployment in Russia is about 12%
and yes, tens of thousands of young Russian men are now dead, any many more disabled
and yes, the US has frozen 300 billion of Russian oil reserves foolishly kept in us banks
and yes, the west has seized another 100 billion in sanctioned assets
and yes Russia will spend down the remainder of their reserves by end of next year
and yes, Russia is in some instances, selling oil at below cost

so what tovarisch?


this money was NEVER EVER gonna be used for the benefit of the Russian people - NEVER!
it is always destined to be fed to oligarchs who give putin a big slice of it
and the few crumbs go to the people as wages - for slaving in an oligarch owned enterprise

only now it goes to the military oligarchs instead ot the real estae ones, pre-war

Deripaska, just declared these facts openly on Russian media
he also noted that he hoped that the outcome wasn't gonna be "State Capitalism" known as marxism/socialism in the USA
one thing all oligarchs USA and Russian fear
is losing their priviliges to the people
that's why they invest so much time and money within oligarch owned media in counter-acting this
and definitely - NO UNIONS!!!! ohhhhh the horror of workers "organizing"

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2965 on: March 03, 2023, 03:24:56 PM »
Saw a video from one of the Ukrainian Commanders in the Bakhmut area today,and it looks like the Ukrainians will be pulling out of Bakhmut shortly.


The attrition rate for the orcs has been very high ..6-7 orcs killed for every Ukrainian he said,in some parts as many as 10 to 1...but the Ukrainians in Bakhmut are now in danger of getting encircled,so it's now time to leave,withdraw to another nearby area and start again.


He also said the Ukrainian counter-offensive is expected to take place in mid April.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2966 on: March 04, 2023, 06:02:37 AM »


As to the bold text...
Women are not very loyal when things go awry. Yes, a unicorn or two may exist, but overall, women leave military men who have suffered limb loss or disfiguration at an exceedingly high rate. Unbelievably high. Look it up. Of course it's never because they are shallow shits. It's because they are somehow victims who tried so hard but just blahblahblahblah...


Ordinarily i'd agree that women are shallow shits..not just about leaving the aforementioned military men,but in other ways too.The amount of women who leave their formerly wealthy husbands, who are now struggling financially, would be an interesting statistic too.


However,i'm not so sure this will apply in Ukraine .


None of us have been through an invasion of the country where we live.There's a massive difference between a soldier going off to fight in a war no-one really gives a shit about....such as Korea,Vietnam,The Falklands and Iraq.....and having murderous and barbaric  terrorists slaughtering people where you live.


All the Ukrainians saw what happened at Mariupol and Bucha,and the only thing standing between them suffering the same fate is their military who are fighting to save them....do not underestimate how powerful this will be on people's psyche.


If Ukraine wins this war these military people will truly be heroes..exalted beyond compare.....and i suspect their women will be proud to be with them....as the men who saved them and their country.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2967 on: March 04, 2023, 09:35:16 AM »
Ancient Chinese proverb:
There is always another surveillance balloon.

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the angry skies filled with them
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2968 on: March 04, 2023, 05:22:23 PM »
The UK is now doubling the amount of Challenger 2 Tanks being sent to Ukraine....to 28.


Source :www.forbes.com
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2969 on: March 05, 2023, 11:21:00 AM »
moy GRU malchiky poisoned Kadyrov
it's the dudes from "KAMERA" they BAD!!!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2970 on: March 06, 2023, 02:38:46 PM »
 Until last year Kyiv was largely a Russian-speaking city. A survey in January revealed that since Putin’s invasion a year ago, 33% of Kyivans have adopted the Ukrainian language. About 46% said they had been speaking Ukrainian for a long time. Another 13% remain Russian speakers.

Ukrainians are bilingual. Ukrainian has traditionally been spoken in the west of the country with Russian more prevalent in the south and east. The most prominent switcher is Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who grew up in the central Russophone metallurgical city of Kryvyi Rih.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/06/russia-ukrainians-embrace-language-war

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2971 on: March 06, 2023, 04:48:39 PM »
Ukrainians were forced to be bilingual.  But I believe Russian will be replaced with English over time in Ukraine.


Kyiv is not "largely a Russian speaking city".  During Soviet times, relative few in Kyiv would even admit to being able to speak Ukrainian.  Now, if you ask someone something in Ukrainian, you will be responded to in Ukrainian.  I think most people on the streets speak surzhik, not Russian.  At least, that's my experience. 


I believe you are mistaken about language throughout the country.  Before the USSR, Russian Empire cities were islands of Russian speakers in a sea of Ukrainian speakers.  Same in the Austro-Hungarian Empire with Polish.  If you had visited a village in Chernihiv or Kyiv oblasts, you would hear Ukrainian (their own dialect), not Russian.  The reason surzhik developed was as escapees came to the cities, they wanted to blend in, so tried to speak Russian (in their own way). 


A lot of Southern Ukraine was settled by Germans, who spoke their language, had their own schools, churches, etc.  They didn't even learn to read Russian, though most spoke it fluently.  Of course, they were all deported by the Soviets.  The language spoken in rural regions there is not exactly Russian, but closer to Russian than anything else.


In L'viv until the collapse of the USSR, Russian was spoken predominantly.  I thilnk Ternopil was about 50/50, and Ivano Frankivsk was predominantly Ukrainian.  However, Russification meant a lot of Russian words and phrases crept into the language. 


Bottom line - cities in Ukraine tended to be more Russian speaking, villages, Ukrainian, even in Central/Eastern Ukraine.  Moving to Ukrainian exclusively will be a long process.

ETA-From the article, the reference to the earliest destruction of a Ukrainian work of literature appears to be inaccurate. The first Ukrainian language work is widely viewed as Kotlyarevsky’s translation of Eneida, in 1798.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2972 on: March 07, 2023, 05:18:36 AM »
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« Reply #2973 on: March 07, 2023, 05:19:54 AM »
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2974 on: March 07, 2023, 05:25:20 AM »
Yana Rykhiltska a 29 year old Paramedic of the AFU 93rd Brigade died near Bakhmut .She was evacuating the wounded when the car she was in got shelled.
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