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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2975 on: March 09, 2023, 01:00:47 PM »
Ukrainians were forced to be bilingual.  But I believe Russian will be replaced with English over time in Ukraine.

If English became Ukraine's second language to Ukrainian then that would make Ukraine a WM's paradise :D
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2976 on: March 09, 2023, 01:07:15 PM »
Not necessarily, particularly not if Ukraine joins the EU.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2977 on: March 09, 2023, 05:20:01 PM »
Russia using new type of hypersonic missiles in latest missile attack which are a lot more difficult to shoot down:

http://www.npr.org/2023/03/09/1162185287/hypersonic-missiles-ukraine-russia

Many missiles got through.
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The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2978 on: March 09, 2023, 08:58:58 PM »
Russia using new type of hypersonic missiles in latest missile attack which are a lot more difficult to shoot down:

http://www.npr.org/2023/03/09/1162185287/hypersonic-missiles-ukraine-russia

Many missiles got through.

12-missile Iskander brigade reportedly sells for as much as $300 million1
That makes them around $25 million each. Yes, they are indeed very difficult to shoot down
but they aren't super accurate2. The latest barrage reportedly killed 6 people 3.
which is terrible for the families involved in the attack and the people without power but how
effective is this, as a military tactic? The vast majority of the approximately 80 missiles4 and
drones surely were not hypersonic.


1. Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/12/17/russias-hypersonic-strike-force-is-mostly-for-show/?sh=e7df41b77669

2.Ibid

3.http://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-kyiv-odesa-kharkiv-40714ec02d628a95458594da6ba8a80e

4.Ibid
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2979 on: March 10, 2023, 01:21:47 AM »
This is an almost surreal exchange between a Ukrainian and Russian soldier in battle. Note the Russian justifies invasion (age restricted due to language).
 


Apparently, the Ukrainian was wounded, the Russian killed.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2980 on: March 10, 2023, 03:49:05 AM »
12-missile Iskander brigade reportedly sells for as much as $300 million1
That makes them around $25 million each. Yes, they are indeed very difficult to shoot down
but they aren't super accurate2. The latest barrage reportedly killed 6 people 3.
which is terrible for the families involved in the attack and the people without power but how
effective is this, as a military tactic? The vast majority of the approximately 80 missiles4 and
drones surely were not hypersonic.


1. Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/12/17/russias-hypersonic-strike-force-is-mostly-for-show/?sh=e7df41b77669

2.Ibid

3.http://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-kyiv-odesa-kharkiv-40714ec02d628a95458594da6ba8a80e

4.Ibid

Ending up destroying Residential buildings was proven by the Luftwaffe against the UK during WWII to be a poor strategy. Possibly these missiles aren't accurate enough but it can end up with Russia using yet another poor strategy whether entirely intended or not.
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« Reply #2981 on: March 11, 2023, 01:48:29 PM »
Ending up destroying Residential buildings was proven by the Luftwaffe against the UK during WWII to be a poor strategy. Possibly these missiles aren't accurate enough but it can end up with Russia using yet another poor strategy whether entirely intended or not.

The purpose of the tactic was to get your initial reaction from as
many people as possible, which was:

OH NOES!!!! Russia has super duper weapons impervious to our
silly and weak Western Tech, we should all pee ourselves!!!

If Russia wanted to win they would have sent in a major winter attack and a
couple million Russians would be dead and they would be sitting in Odessa
admiring the Potemkin Stairs with their stolen loot, but they are managing
this more like Russia vs Afghanistan rather than WWII.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2982 on: March 11, 2023, 11:50:47 PM »
holy kakashka
a lotta really weird stuff I can't talk about is happening in Russia, but very alarming
my analogy is you hear cracking sounds in the 3 gorges damn

speaking of which
a HUGE massive unparalled slowdown is happening in China
something tells me china ain't even gonna sell a firecracker to russia now

somebody bitch-slapped turkey about being a logistics hub to russia, well duh, look at a map
so that's being reduced, at the end of this year, Turkey will lose the transit fees of Russian gas to south stream as well
turkey's economy is in really bad shape for the usual reasons
combined, this is a big loss to them
dunno what kinda carrot or stick was presented, but somethin sure was




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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2983 on: March 12, 2023, 01:28:41 AM »
I assume with Turkey, there were threats to cut EU funding and generally from the EU and US, pressure, which they can exert, as they account for most of Turkeys export markets.

Re Russia-alarming to Russia, Ukraine, or the West?
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2984 on: March 12, 2023, 02:21:08 AM »
Turkey is a member of NATO so might have been viewed that they were playing it both ways. On balance I'm guessing Turkey decided to tie the line rather than risk being thrown out of NATO as that could leave them at the mercy of Russia plus weaken it's position in Cyprus.

Other economic factors from the West I don't discount. My guess is that Turkey as a poor country knew the effects could be devastating on its economy so persisted trade with the Russians.

Am I taking it that we might be at the start of fall out at the top in Russia across Russia Krim? I notice that no Spring offensive from Russia as yet been mounted some reports of Russian soldiers refusing to obey their commanders. We've seen all this before back in WWI and know that big fractures and splits can often lead, could be interesting to see.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2985 on: March 12, 2023, 06:22:16 AM »

 My guess is that Turkey as a poor country knew the effects could be devastating on its economy so persisted trade with the Russians.


I take it you've never been to Turkey? 

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2986 on: March 12, 2023, 12:12:59 PM »
a new season has begun in Russia
fire season

you people in the west have no freakin idea of how to "manage" Russians in some constructive way, and the Russians have even less of an idea, and so we get, what we get
instead of having a cooperative functioning system in equilibrium

too simplistic just to blame Russian oligarchs and not mention deutsche bank and trump towers as well
greed doesn't respect national boundaries

Russia is not just "unstable" right now
it's actively collapsing, every one of Putin's assertions of Russia's economic health, are lies
it's in a rapidly escalating depression, and so are the people, a very deep hole
and while in the hole, Russians are told to "dig", "dig" for the motherland
and so the hole grows deeper by the day
in Russia the tension builds, but Putin blocks it's expression
so it spills out in other places

russians can't stand being laughed at
ya wanna piss 'em off, laugh at 'em, then see what they do
all i'm gonna say

it's all gonna burn
and then you're gonna see smoke on the horizon getting closer and closer to you
slovo

ya'll don't seem to get it...
Russia's coming fall is only the beginning and not the end
all these negative forces create a feeback loop that builds the amplitude

the walls are all
gonna come tumblin down, covid was just one of the bricks and russia to

it's all gonna fall
trump and putin will not survive any more than Qadaffi and Sadam Hussein did
it's all gonna be overwith for them to

as wells as everything and everybody else
man can not stop nature
but watch what nature does to man in the next 20 years and how it causes the world to go mad
and go in a downward spiral, that frankly we're ALREADY IN!!!
but this is just the early beginning stage
what do you think the next stage of this will be like?

of course, I'm crazy, right
a sidewalk schitzo talkin about the world ending
hehehe




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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2987 on: March 12, 2023, 12:57:46 PM »
On balance I'm guessing Turkey decided to tie the line rather than risk being thrown out of NATO as that could leave them at the mercy of Russia plus weaken it's position in Cyprus.

 My guess is that Turkey as a poor country knew the effects could be devastating on its economy so persisted trade with the Russians.

There is no mechanism to expel a NATO member.  So I don't know where you come up with the nonsense about expelling Turkey from NATO.

I suspect that in the next 10 years, you will see Turkey emerge as the dominant country in the region.  They are not a poor country, and can produce all the food they need, which is more than we can say about Britain.  They have pretty good energy security.  Do not be foolish enough to think that Turkey is somehow a paper tiger or a banana republic.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2988 on: March 13, 2023, 06:47:48 PM »

As of December 1  59,786 women served in the Ukrainian army, of whom 18,000 are civilian workers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 41,000 hold military positions and 5,000 are on the front line.
Tetiana Ostashchenko, the commander of the Medical Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, became the first female general in the Ukrainian army.



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2989 on: March 13, 2023, 07:41:10 PM »
Putin on the Fritz (a musical written in my bunker - after the first plague but before the second one)

curtain opens
entrance - stage left

solo
Pri-va-tize-ing the eye-pop-ping profits                   ding, ding
shellin ukraine with lots of cold war roc-kets           ding, ding

cash payments to under-cover bos-ses
socializing all the jaw-drop-ping losses
gonna cost us

Putin on the fritz
Putin on the fritz

this is the part I start tap dancing to the staccato kalishnakov orchestra
ahhh das bunker



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2990 on: March 13, 2023, 07:53:04 PM »
wimmin in the military

in Israel active duty personnel are about 45% female, women are conscripted same as men
israel has the most effective army in the world - this is one reason why

Ted Cruz never served in the military - and frankly never would've made it through basic training so no point in him even trying
Trump family has been in the USA since the 1870s - not one of em EVER served in the military, not one
Tucker Carlson - the frozen food heir - in the military? , are you freakin kidding me?

so the women who ACTUALLY SERVE their country
vrs the men who didn't

and whose voices are the most critical of women in the military?
the ones who served or the ones whose daddy got them draft deferrments MULTIPLE TIMES
and what voices are the ones leading you dumb asses around?

when ya'll start killin madchen und kinder in "total war" by targetting cities
the enemies wimmin folk CAN'T be kept out of the war!!!
cuz YOU just brought the war to THEM

no point in "keepin em safe at home"
after dumb asses blew it up with the neighbor's kids inside
flight or fight baby
and a lot are gonna wanna fight - just like the men

for every reaction - there's a WHAT?
no PERCEIVED reaction = NO counter reaction
best war - invisible secret war done right out in the open uder the enemie's nose
using advanced technology developed by KAMERA in Moscow during the Soviet period - delivery vehicle equal ice cream truck, etc (I will be sellin translated copies of the original Russian docs)

THIS is the freakin way to FIGHT a war MFers
not with billion dollar ships and airplanes and guns all this is archaic waste
cost effective war
is minimal war
the more asymetrical -  the more effective
death by a million cuts, by a billion
the friendly old man in the ice cream truck
he's a trained officer in the enemies chemical warfare 3rd brigade

and all this can be yours for a low introductory price

da  kanyeshnya angliyskiy i russkiy
hehehe whatcha laughin at?

oh, and BTW
the 300 billion USD Russian Federation money sittin in western banks...
guess what's gonna happen to it?




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Putin's long narrow path to victory
« Reply #2991 on: March 14, 2023, 08:52:27 AM »
http://www.huffpost.com/entry/ron-desantis-ukraine-war-tucker-carlson_n_64105797e4b0cfde25c1001c

so right away, we see that putin sees a path for 2024
you think you had election interference in 2016, wait...
DeSantis - a hawkish republican is now a pacifist?  how come, holmes?

the only things Russia exports to the USA
hillary's emails,
hunter's laptop
cash to FBI investigators who investigate Russian election interference
cash to politicians who are useful to Russia
oil that has been relabeled as coming from Mexico
anti LGBQT propaganda
and pretty soon what ever they're gonna dream up for 2024 to be shown non-stop on Fox to help DeSantis

yeah, I'm crazy, Fox would never lie on TV or use Russian propaganda, Fox viewers are really smart and wouldn't be so EASILY deceived
LOL

http://www.rawstory.com/santa-rosa-diocese/
BTW, kultur warriors
The Diocese of Santa Rosa in California has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, after being deluged in hundreds of lawsuits over child sexual abuse
so whadda you rednecks do?
ya ban drag shows
pure freakin genuis that is - definititely not afraid to go after actual pedophiles and their tax free investments of bilions and billions
when instead you can go after a guy who wears makeup on a stage like Milton Berle who aren't pedophiles (but are labeled as that by the ministry of propaganda both Russian/American)
and of course, you put more effort to ban books in schools instead of guns
like jeezus intended, am I right?

those of you who are without sin, may cast the first stone at this poor sinner who stands before you
but I got a .45 on my hip, cuz I'm a Texas Redneck and I'll gun you down so fast you won't even know you're dead
and for an old dewd I got REALLY good reflexes cuz I play ping-pong every freakin day
and it's really hard to find people who can play a game at my top level

PS
THAT is some good sheeet I brought in from Costa Rica, coulda sold it to blatnoys in moskva for some pretty gold coins that I could stack
but that's all over with - what are moscva dopers gonna do? local brewed krokodil suka? add that to the total russian death toll of Putin's phuquing stoopidity


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2992 on: March 22, 2023, 11:17:34 AM »
Notice the Russians lost a fair few of their newer M90 tanks the other day, about 15 or so I think it was and a good thousand or so troops with it. Today Ukrainians apparently managed to destroy a number of Cruise missiles based in Crimea. So the Ukrainians still getting some good victories in but any big change so far elusive.

Spring is now here so either side could mount an offensive, the Ukrainians now having western tanks with more on the way and the Russians having conscripted more troops. Neither side has made a move as yet if they are able to and intense fighting remains around Bakhmut with neither side wanting to give in there.

Yesterday the US announced it would speed up sending its Abrams tanks to Ukraine and I think the EU or its member states also agreed to send more ammo and stuff quickly. Possibly this might be a sign of concern in the West over whether the Ukrainian Army might start to buckle over constant Russian fighting. That's unfortunately one potential issue Ukraine has that it has a smaller population than Russia. Out of that population only so many may be minded to fight. On facing a call up and envisaging a meat grinder situation many a Ukrainian guy might think better of turning up and do a runner for the border. After all not all will see a great future in being put into the meat grinder and would rather go for a life elsewhere, I wouldn't blame them on that. Let's face it Ukraine's government has never been that great to its people (endemic corruption, etc) and can let down it's poorest people. So imagining a guy that doesn't have a lot going for him in Ukraine then I could see why he wouldn't want to bother with all the war stuff.

So for Ukraine they are possibly up against the clock on defeating Russia. For Russia if they keep doing poorly and expending cast effort doing so then internal issues may end the war early for them. Coming weeks and months could be quite telling possibly.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2993 on: March 27, 2023, 12:29:09 PM »
British Challenger,USA Stryker and Cougar and German Marder are now in Ukraine.


Source :Ukraine MOD.


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China's game plan
« Reply #2994 on: March 27, 2023, 12:59:28 PM »
I suspect China's game plan is to let Russia and the West expend a lot of equipment/materials.

No matter which wins, China will be in a stronger position worldwide.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2995 on: March 27, 2023, 01:08:57 PM »
the armour is GREAT!!!
but WAIT, there's MORE!!!

I'm sure you've all seen the numerous videos of larger hobbyist FPV drones dropping small bombs on Russian units.

well...
the next stage of this which is being produced RIGHT NOW
is Roy Dronov...
nope, not some dewds name, it means "Drone Swarm"

imagine 100 drones coming at a target at once, and not just a single drone
each individual drone targets using a distributed AI system combined with individual operators
the USA has delivered a MASSIVE coup, by nearly cornering the supply of these high end drone components mfg in Chi-nuh , enough to build 100,000 drones!!!
and did so secretly without the chinese even knowing who the buyer was and its destination
once you hear about the results of the first 100 drone swarm, and I'm waiting for the video!
then get ready for the first 1,000 drone swarm

The Ballad of the Ukrainian Suicide Drone

suicide dronesssss from the sky
fearless dronesssss who fly and die
drones that meannnn just what they say
they gonna blowwww your ass off today

if you tweaked "Battle hym of the republic" to reflect a Ukrainian context
and translated it into Ukrainian
and had a TOP choir sing it in front of a Ukrainian audience....

My eyes have seen the glory of the rising of Ukraine
....
his truth is marching on
slava, slava u-kra-i-nia
slava, slava u-krai-n-ia

I don't know about ya'll, but I think it "works"

what about, "Are you go-ing to Sev-a-sto-pol"?

If you're going to Sev-a-sto-pol
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to Sev-a-sto-pol
You're gonna meet some gentle people there

ehhhhh, I dunno...


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2996 on: March 28, 2023, 02:21:24 PM »
There have now been 2000 confirmed Russian orc Officers killed in Ukraine since 24th February 2022.


Based on publicly available data from Russia.Confirmations are made via funeral notices,obituaries and news sites.




Source :  KIU .  Russian Officers killed in Ukraine@KilledInUkraine


The military destruction of Russia continues. >:D
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2997 on: April 13, 2023, 06:33:07 AM »
According to this latest report a Spring Counter-offensive on either side is looking unlikely:

http://www.euronews.com/2023/04/13/analysts-say-ukraine-counter-offensive-unlikely-unless-more-combat-vehicles-supplied

Kind of what I've been thinking in recent days, Ukraine now has some modern tanks from the west, mainly the UK Challenger tanks at the moment but no news of their use as yet. Odds are with the equipment on the Russian side and then digging in their at the moment the modern Western taks have become more of a hold the line equipment.

Whether anything will change as Ukraine gets more Leopard tanks and if they get the equipment in the article who knows. Both sides seem to be locked in a military resources battle at the moment and who can bring the most to the fore.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2998 on: April 13, 2023, 12:56:34 PM »
Looks like this guy may not see the light of day for quite some time:

http://www.euronews.com/2023/04/13/us-close-to-finding-ukraine-war-document-leaker-says-biden
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2999 on: April 13, 2023, 01:16:57 PM »
According to this latest report a Spring Counter-offensive on either side is looking unlikely:

http://www.euronews.com/2023/04/13/analysts-say-ukraine-counter-offensive-unlikely-unless-more-combat-vehicles-supplied

Kind of what I've been thinking in recent days, Ukraine now has some modern tanks from the west, mainly the UK Challenger tanks at the moment but no news of their use as yet. Odds are with the equipment on the Russian side and then digging in their at the moment the modern Western taks have become more of a hold the line equipment.

Whether anything will change as Ukraine gets more Leopard tanks and if they get the equipment in the article who knows. Both sides seem to be locked in a military resources battle at the moment and who can bring the most to the fore.


If Ukraine is getting similar weather to the UK there will be no chance of a spring offensive.


Where i live we're getting a day or two of sunshine,with temperatures oif between 10 -13 C followed by a deluge of rain the next day,which is leaving the ground sodden with swampy conditions in the fields.


Not the ground for driving Tanks and APC's on...they'll get stuck in the mud.


There were videos going round on the internet at the end of last week showing Ukrainian soldiers wading through above ankle deep water in their trenches.
Just saying it like it is.

 

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