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How do you identify yourself racially?

White, non Hispanic
49 (84.5%)
White, Hispanic
1 (1.7%)
Hispanic
0 (0%)
African American
3 (5.2%)
Asian and Pacific Islander
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Racial landscape
« on: January 05, 2007, 01:28:41 PM »
I appreciate your participation. Ada

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 01:36:33 PM »
Ada,

Not that this will have any bearing on your research and certainly my observations are anecdotal, but there seems to be an inordinate number of guys guys involved in this pursuit who:

-Live or have lived in Texas
-Have played ice hockey at a competitive level
-Are or were involved in the field of aviation

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 02:03:27 PM »
 I'm white, but I tan very well in summer  8)

 Don't really agree with Groovlstk, but have noticed many guys are self employed business owners. The obvious reason is that they set their own hours, and vacation time, and usually the money's not bad either.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 02:16:26 PM »
have noticed many guys are self employed business owners. The obvious reason is that they set their own hours, and vacation time, and usually the money's not bad either.

Mate, what are you on? I want some. (Joke of course) I would suspect from the comments above you might not have been self employed? 

There is certainly times when you may be correct, but by goodness most of the time it just doesn't work like that when you have your own business/company/companies.  Certainly I have made the odd penny or two out of it, but I can tell you that a total of 9 days off in 8 years is not a sure fire basis to give you the time to go looking in the FSU for a partner.  It is in fact since I sold one and put another under management and then took on a salaried position because I got bored (Yeah paradox I know) that I have had the time to follow this pursuit.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2007, 02:29:14 PM »
I/O,

 If you have good employees it's easy. Of course my business runs best when I'm here, but if you set things up properly, for example like a franchise, it kind of runs itself. Lots can be done while you're away too, via phone and e-mail. It sounds to me like you run your business in a way where everything depends upon you, not the best way to go in my opinion.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 02:58:23 PM »
I/O,

 If you have good employees it's easy. Of course my business runs best when I'm here, but if you set things up properly, for example like a franchise, it kind of runs itself. Lots can be done while you're away too, via phone and e-mail. It sounds to me like you run your business in a way where everything depends upon you, not the best way to go in my opinion.

Think you might be guilding the lilly a tad here but nevertheless, yes I have always tended to sit on things very tightly and with about 300 direct employees in an ever tightening labour market it has it's trials and tribulations.

However that's history now and it has been rather good to me over the years so to say. ::) ::)

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2007, 03:23:25 PM »
 yeah, guess it's a little easier for me with 6 employees  :)

 I never want to be that busy with work that I can't enjoy the finer things, 9 days off in 8 years doesn't sound like much of a life to me. I thought Australians were more like Europeans than like us 'nose to the grindstone' Americans. When do you find time for the BBQ's?  ???

 Sounds like you have changed your life for the better I/O, glad to hear it.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2007, 03:47:05 PM »
I think it is part the nature of the business and part the management style.  My business is bigger than Jinx's and a lot smaller than I/O's   I can leave mine for as long as I want without even calling in.   When I had 6 employee's I worked my tail off and could not get away as easily. 

I do my best to not be a hands on manager.  I have people in charge of the various functions and as long as they do their job I can twiddle my thumbs or go off traveling.  I think if my business was as well established as it would have to be with 300 employees then I would think there was something wrong if it was hard to take a few days off.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 03:47:13 PM »
Ada,

 Another poll that would be informative would be to ask the professions of the guys here at RWD. I know there are so many different types of employment, but maybe we could generalize and list the top 10-15.

 As far as Racial landscape, I'm betting it ends up at something like 90% white guys, but I know there are a few Hispanic and Asian men here too.

 One thing that's interesting is that you don't see a lot of black men doing this. Does anybody know of any that are pursuing Russian women? I'm curious to what kind of reaction they would get from RW. I personally had experience with one girl that claimed she adored black men, but never actually met one  :D


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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 04:30:38 PM »
I'm white. Would it be 'racist' to admit that I am more attracted to white women, and even more
attracted specifically to 'slavic' whites? I am also attracted to Asian women, but not too attracted to
most Black women, or Hispanic women. I am least attracted to local Navajo and Pima Indians, who
tend to be too heavy with poor hip to waist ratios. So, just looking at physical attraction, it makes sense
for me to fish in the Slavic Pond. It's a big pond north of Turkey. 

I am also drawn to Slavic peoples for cultural reasons.  Somewhere in our genes there are elements that transmit cultural characteristics. There is something about RW that I can relate to, as a result of the influence of my grandmother, who was Polish/Russian.  I find it easier to empathize with the former Kiev - Rus, than with
spoiled hipsters from Boca. I'm wandering here, but I thought I'd mention my view because it irks me that
today's Western PC view, doesn't allow for a racial preferences, instead promotes the idea of
equality/sameness. I adhere to notions of universalism and individuality.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2007, 04:34:43 PM by Photo Guy »

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 04:52:45 PM »
jinx,

Are you encouraging black men to go after white Russian women?

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 05:08:09 PM »
 No jb, that's not what I'm suggesting, I think they would have a difficult time finding receptive Russian women, the girl I was speaking about was young and liked rap music, so her ideas of black men were based on music video's, she liked something about them, she liked the bad boy types, not my kinda girl.

 I'm more interested in hearing what kind of luck black men had if they did indeed go searching for a woman in the FSU, any real life accounts?

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2007, 05:19:19 PM »
From my 8 years of experience with tours, black guys did very poorly in FSU but very well in SA. The tour operators usually made claims that they did very well but as far as clients go, I only did FIVE cases from FSU with blacks and Russian/Ukrainians in eight years - 1 died in the process, two are divorced, and I dont know what happened with the other two cases after the fiancee arrived in the US. The tours were about 80% White and only had a scattering of Blacks from time to time.

I always suggested to black potential clients that they write many and see who wrote back to them for FSU women before spending a lot of money on tours.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 05:30:35 PM »
 It took me a minute to realize SA was South America, but yeah that makes sense. Brazil is a popular destination with black men, I think the women are 'built' more to their liking there.  ;)  Don't think they like the skinny white girls too much...

 Ok, now I've got the Sir Mix A lot song in my head...I...like big butts and I cannot lie.... ;D

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 08:49:41 PM »
She has posted in a while, but 'The Arrow' in Moscow, liked Black men.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2007, 09:00:56 PM »
Brazil is a popular destination with black men, I think the women are 'built' more to their liking there.
I think Brazil may be popular because they blend in much better with the local population, chromatically speaking (people there span the whole spectrum, from coal black to albino white) ;).
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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2007, 02:30:27 AM »
I appreciate your participation. Ada

Ada, you will find a majority of "White" men... one of the reason is that RW choice more a white non muslim men...

For complete your study, it can be interesting to see what think FSU people... for this, a internet site have make some street interview from Russian people... men and women... young and older... i think that i can explain a little about Russian spirit...

Take a look at http://www.waytorussia.net/Features/RussianPeople.html

A short list of some questions asked to Russian who can be related to your study or question posted :
- Question: "What do Russians think about Americans and other foreigners?"
- Question: "What can a man do to be liked by a Russian woman? What do Russian women respect and like the most?"
- Question: "Is there a lot of racism in Russia? Do any black people live there?" related to these topic  ;)
- Question: "Why are so many Russian women looking to marry a man from the west? Is this because of more money and a better life or is it that Russian men do not treat Russian women well?"
- Question: "Can a foreigner ever be accepted as a Russian? What would he/she need to do for it to happen?"
- etc ...

One of the usual big mistake from study like yours is see only one side of the fence... since it is related to relationship, it mean two people involved... a woman is always a woman but cultural/country background influence these type of relationship... by example, RW are very proud of themself and own country... and they will almost never choice some looser for husband... some here speak about the difficult character of JB ( too much direct ) but Russian are like this... if you have not a strong character, the RW will be the boss... RW like strong men...

International dating with RW is like a puzzle game... you need to be the piece needed to complete the puzzle... if you are the wrong piece, soon of later, the relationship will break... some couple break down after some year but it is mainly due to a wrong choice of seeking country in the initial stage... to much men jump on RW because it is now the trend... but several of them are not build for be with RW... and this is true for any country... no one country is better that the other but analyse own expectation need to be the first step in these process...

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2007, 08:24:32 PM »
What is the difference between "white hispanic" and "non white hispanic"? :o

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2007, 08:25:53 PM »
A job. . . . ;D

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2007, 09:08:41 PM »
I guess that I have the asian persuasion here :D...
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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2007, 06:44:55 PM »
Under the USSR lots of African guys who attended the Patrice Lumbada (sp) university in Moscow got married to RW, of course back then it was the only way out for RW. An Indian student was recently beaten to death by some skinheads in St. Petersburg.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2007, 06:20:07 AM »
Why no Blacks????

Because for the most part FSU people don't mingle with blacks. Yes, I am know someone will try contradicting this. While it is not even my  own opinion, go there and see for yourself.  In many parts of the FSu, the treatment of blacks is worst than "the south". Matter of fact many many FSU people have asked me why we have blacks ?? and basically why we want them to live in our country.

Again, this is not " my ideas". I am only passing on what was expressed to me often.  Other than that, many have expressed non-attraction to muslim men ( yes, I know there are many muslims in FSu countries!!).  And yes, most FSU women hate drinkers-- any nationality, race or religion of drinkers....





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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2007, 09:32:30 AM »
Why no Blacks????

Because for the most part FSU people don't mingle with blacks.

This has been my observation in Ukraine as well.  Very anti black and have no qualms about stating so. 

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And yes, most FSU women hate drinkers-- any nationality, race or religion of drinkers....

I guess this depends on the definition of "drinkers".  Most of the FSU women with whom I have ever been in contact (dates, or friends and family) would have to hate themselves if this were completely true. I have yet to meet one in person who does not drink, and the definition of 'socially' seems to be  a little different than we have in America.  Socially for many seems to be "enough beer, wine, or champagne to float a ship, but as long as it's not vodka or hard liquor then it's only social drinking regardless of the amount consumed". Though I have seen a couple of FSU ladies who will stop after two or three drinks, for the most part they'll slug 'em down all evening.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2007, 09:41:29 AM »
I have yet to meet one in person who does not drink, and the definition of 'socially' seems to be  a little different than we have in America.  Socially for many seems to be "enough beer, wine, or champagne to float a ship, but as long as it's not vodka or hard liquor then it's only social drinking regardless of the amount consumed". Though I have seen a couple of FSU ladies who will stop after two or three drinks, for the most part they'll slug 'em down all evening.

Elena would be one of those who breaks this rule/generalization. In any given 6 month period she "might" have a glass of wine or a strawberry daiquiri. Of course that means that I have to pick up the slack to keep those poor brewery workers employed. Yes, I am just doing my part to help out... ;D

As far as prejudice is concerned. I think that America has just as much as any of the FSU countries. We are more used to the mixed/multi racial environment than they are so it is not as big a deal but it is there all around you if you care to look.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2007, 03:46:04 PM »
     In Crimea a black person is more a curiosity than anything else.  Other than the medical students who come from Africa, they are few and far between.
     I see many of the young people in Ukraine, lacking contact or experience with blacks, form their opinions based on the music videos they see.  I had to laugh because some thought most black women are thin and beautiful because that's the only kind they see on TV or the movies.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2007, 04:17:02 PM »
AS far as drinkers go, Most Fsu women that I have had experience hate drinkers as a spouse !!! But, don't most American Women too?? Didn't say they didn't do it. But, alot of FSu women and particuarlay Ukraine women, feel that a drunk women is a  woman that doesn't repsect herself or her man. They all have expressed that they can get a drunk at home.

Everytime I go to the Ukraine people ask me about blacks. And actually I was being kind compared to the comments they have made. For the most part they don't understand, don't want to be around them , and actually dislike them. My statement about <" they dislike them worst than our south,  "  is a big understatement.

I have actuallly had very intelligent and what would otherwise seem as non racists  FSu people tell me  to call them names and to treat them bad if I felt like it.

Again this is not my idea, it is what was expressed to me. ANd I am not saying that a black guy can't go find the love of his life there either. I am just saying that FSu women and men can be really really racist towards black !! 

Just like there is alot of hatred  of "Russians" by Ukraines, even though alot of Urkaines are "russians."  Just observations of comments.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2008, 11:00:25 AM »
One thing that's interesting is that you don't see a lot of black men doing this. Does anybody know of any that are pursuing Russian women? I'm curious to what kind of reaction they would get from RW. 

Well, i am one of those guys. ;) Actually, i am a mix (Black father white mother). I am new in this whole process but I am planning to visit Ukraine this summer.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 01:53:18 PM »
Welcome TW!

Care to leave a brief post in the intro section?

IMPOV - In my point of view it's sorta like this:

My wife took one look at Obama and said she doesn't like him at all.

I will vote for him (and I'm white).

Yeah it's probably an uphill battle but do join the rest of us in that 'uphill battle'.

Cheers!




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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2008, 04:12:51 PM »
The first friend that my ex from Kyiv introduced me to is now in the US with her black Canadian doctor, met through EM.  My ex has never really got over that, and when I was last with her, in Kyiv, was still pointing out blacks on the street.  She clearly had some problems interacting with Britain's multi-ethnicity when here.
 
My fiancee from the North Caucasus has not been tested yet (living in a mixed community), but given her music taste, and her sons' social activities in Florida, she's clearly not going to have much problem in the UK.

Strange that the country girl is cooler about this than the big city gal.  But then, given the profound ethnic and religious mix of the Caucasus, maybe not so strange.

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2008, 04:50:21 PM »
My gut impression is that you won't have much difficulty finding women to date or spend an evening with, but it will be much more difficult finding one who is willing to buck years of bias and the attitudes of friends and family in order to have a serious relationship.  Unfortunately, a man of color will have to have attributes above and beyond the average Caucasian to overcome the cultural attitudes, such as the income of the black Canadian doctor mentioned.  Of course you can find women for whom this will not be an issue who is willing to go against the opinions of friends and family or whose friends and family have no issue with this as well, but, unfair as it is, the current reality is that the search will be more difficult.

I don't see the prejudice in the FSU as anywhere near the level of what it was (and in some places still is) in the Southern US, more of an indifference than an outright hatred, so you don't need to worry about lynchings, just some stares and polite dismissals.

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Re: Racial landscape
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2008, 05:32:57 PM »
Welcome TW!

Care to leave a brief post in the intro section?
Yeah it's probably an uphill battle but do join the rest of us in that 'uphill battle'.

Cheers!

Thanks BC! I'll post a brief intro soon.

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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2008, 05:47:37 PM »
My gut impression is that you won't have much difficulty finding women to date or spend an evening with, but it will be much more difficult finding one who is willing to buck years of bias and the attitudes of friends and family in order to have a serious relationship.  Unfortunately, a man of color will have to have attributes above and beyond the average Caucasian to overcome the cultural attitudes, such as the income of the black Canadian doctor mentioned. 

Thanks for the insight and advice! Based on what I've read, I am not considering Russia (only Ukraine), for now. I am anticipating it will not be a walk in the park, but I am willing to give it my best effort. As far as my attributes, I'll explain them more in the intro section but to be succinct here, I am 37, have a Master's degree, work for the USA government, speak 3 languages and have lived in several countries.[/quote]

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 08:46:32 PM »
Based on what you have posted, I think you have a pretty good shot.  Stick with those who have an open mind, like you do, and you have every chance of finding a winner.

i just spoke to my wife about this.  Her first question was about how dark your skin was.  I guess if you're of the complexion of an Azerbaijani or Georgian than it's less of a problem.  Now I'm just quoting a Ukrainian woman here, so don't take offense.  Also, looking at your initial credentials, she commented that an adult woman would not be so influenced by the opinions of family and friends and would focus on the positive qualities of a man, no matter the race. It sounds like you have a good shot, and I guarantee that the rewards are worth whatever additional effort it may require.

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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2008, 06:43:39 AM »
i just spoke to my wife about this.  Her first question was about how dark your skin was.  I guess if you're of the complexion of an Azerbaijani or Georgian than it's less of a problem.  Now I'm just quoting a Ukrainian woman here, so don't take offense. 

Thanks for the input ScottinCrimea. Since your wife asked about my skin complexion, I posted a pic on my profile. I do not think I'd be mistaken for an African but I'm probably much darker than an Azerbaijani or Georgian.

 

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