Ukraine is losing the war

[lordtiberius]

Good looking out killer!

[Boethius]

From the Kyiv Post -

I really hope Ukraine wins for many reasons, not least of which is the immorality of the other side. I watched how the other side reacts to battlefield victories. The Russian side is totally without respect to Ukraine's living and dead, and to Ukraine as a nation. I saw the Kremlin propagandists post disrespectful and graphic photos of Ukraine's dead. I watched how separatist commanders laughed about the Ukrainian soldiers they killed. And I saw one of them throw the Ukrainian flag under the wheels of a military truck so that it could run over the patriotic symbol of every nation.

These incidents tell me that Ukraine is up against evil and heartless people. These people don't want a better life for the Donbas residents, which used to be 15 percent of Ukraine. They are just in it for the fight and don't care who gets killed.

Their behavior is why I would easily believe that the separatists, either deliberately or accidentally, struck the trolley bus in Donetsk that killed eight people at least on Jan. 22. As I understand it, the separatists were totally in control of that part of the city and the Ukrainian army was not doing battle anywhere close.

Good people and good nations don't fight wars gleefully. They don't take joy in the enemy dead. They don't humiliate and parade opposition prisoners of war in public, in front of cameras and allow them to be assaulted by a mob. All of this happened in Donetsk.
Good people and good nations go to war reluctantly, because they have to, because they have to use state violence to destroy evil forces in the war or uphold principles or defend themselves against aggression.

Rather than being a graceful winner, Alexander Zakharchenko, the Kremlin's leader in the separatist-controlled areas of Donetsk, went on the offensive. Zakharchenko said his troops will take the entire Donetsk Oblast, including, presumably, the strategic Azov Sea port city of Mariupol. He also refused to negotiate with anybody but Poroshenko.

The disrespect for life is staggering. I don't know the ratio of casualties between civilians and soldier in other wars, but in this one almost four times as many civilians (4,838) have been killed as Ukrainian soldiers (1,373). This is insanity. If estimates of enemy killed are correct, Russia and their proxies are paying an even higher price, with 6,242 killed.
All of this underscores that the 11-month-old war that Russia has been waging against Ukraine, which started with the Feb. 27 invasion of Crimea, is not going to end anytime soon. The cycle of hatred and killing is only increasing.

The fighting will be over when Russian President Vladimir Putin says it will be over.
This is not meant to be despairing news for Ukraine and its supporters around the world.
The West still can help Putin decide to stop the fighting by increasing the economic and political sanctions against him. Sanctions must be more severe and stay in place until Russia not only stops the war in the Donbas but also relinquishes the Crimean peninsula.
While applying pressure, the West can simultaneously give Ukraine what it needs financially and militarily to defend itself from its hostile neighbor.

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/brian-bonner-russias-war-against-ukraine-will-end-when-putin-decides-it-will-end-378212.html

[mendeleyev]

The city of Mariupol is under more intense attacks. For all the bullshite the Russians claim about Ukrainians bombing towns, this is a clear case of a Ukrainian held city, being shelled by pro-Russian terrorists.

Warning: this video is graphic.

[AkMike]

Say No to Russian Aggression.

[calmissile]

Thanks for posting the video Mendy.  This should be featured on every Western news outlet.

Where is Europe, still arguing about the economic ties to Russia preventing them from coming to the aid of Ukraine?

I am waiting for Doll and Belvis to tell us it was Ukraine's military bombing themselves.     

[JayH]

Takes away any doubt about who is doing the shelling--


Zaharchenko announced the beginning of the offensive on Mariupol DNR January 24, 2015

[JayH]

Video bombardment of Mariupol

[Изумруд]

Ukraine hides devastating losses as Russia-backed fighters surge forward:

“There are many, many more. At least 280 were injured in just one day last week and 30 or 40 killed. There were many more killed this week, Debaltseve and Konstantinovka are the worst cities now. I take 18 wounded to Kharkiv myself every day.”

The man, who didn’t want to be named, is a medic in Ukraine’s overstretched, under-resourced army. Clearly traumatized, he speaks quietly and hesitantly, barely audible over the low rumble of artillery fire from the outskirts of town.

His words confirm Ukraine’s worst-kept secret - that the Ukrainian army is drastically understating its casualties. But only now is the scale of that understatement starting to become clear.

On Jan. 22, the director of Kostiantynivka hospital told Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe monitors that in the last two weeks that the number of soldiers admitted has “increased dramatically, with figures comparable to those in August and September 2014.”

http://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/photo/ukraine-hides-devastating-losses-as-russia-backed-rebels-surge-forwards-378321.html

[JayH]

Eyewitness from "scratch" on fire Mariupol: This barbarism, so can not miss


Mariupol shocked by the tragedy Saturday and wanted to hospitals relatives and friends.

Witnesses terrible tragedy were residents of Mariupol today. People showed journalists a place where their spivhorodyan literally torn to pieces explosions Russian "city", referred to in the story TSN.19 30 . As a result, the city fire killed three dozen people, a hundred wounded. Burned market, shops and parking. Dozens of private houses bombed, window glass broken into thousands of apartments. "This kind of barbarism. So it is impossible to miss. At this distance it is impossible to miss. It is likely, purposeful action in order to intimidate Mariupol ', - the soldier battalion" Azov "which defends the city. Rescuers were unable to receive calls and put out the flames. One of the shells hit directly in the schoolyard. The institution now - a single window. Local sadly say that luck - and a day off children at school was not. Debris was removed quickly. Teachers fear that attacks could resume - and people have to hide in the basement of the school.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ochevidec-iz-azovu-pro-obstril-mariupolya-ce-varvarstvo-tak-promahnutisya-nemozhlivo-404902.html

[lordtiberius]

Ft,lFU, Steamer, Belvis, Doll, take a victory lap!

[Steamer]

Ft,lFU, Steamer, Belvis, Doll, take a victory lap!

You're a funny little guy

[JayH]

Experts explain why Mariupol Putin is extremely important value


Experts point out that for Mariupol, where the port and steel mills , are extremely important for standing in the way land corridor to her occupied Crimea, according to a story TSN.19 30 . Springboard for attacks on Mariupol appeared in late August last year. On the Russian territory "Grad" covered Novoazovsk. Then just regular army forces entered the territory of Ukraine columns of armored vehicles and infantry. See also: After shelling Talakivka, and Hnutove of Mariupol lodge without electricity Since then, Mariupol live like on a powder barrel. Military and volunteers helped strengthen the city in the summer the locals. Women and men were digging trenches own. Because of the serious opposition of local people here could not shake the situation. Militants fired villages near Mariupol, organized sabotage in the city, but not openly Mariupol fired. Yesterday gunmen opened fire on residential areas of the six "Grad", four of them destroyed the Ukrainian military. The escalation increases.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/eksperti-poyasnili-chomu-mariupol-dlya-putina-maye-nadvazhlive-znachennya-404933.html

[fathertime]

Ft,lFU, Steamer, Belvis, Doll, take a victory lap!

You are a silly little guy!


Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

You are a silly little guy!


Fathertime!

Ft, neutral when it comes to rape

[jone]

LT,

Give yourself a temporary discharge.  You are hurting your cause with your constant assault.  Every third post on the forum is yours.  You must understand that you lose all credibility when you lose control over your obsessive posting.

[mendeleyev]

I hope that Mariupol holds. The rebels have also targeted Kharkiv as a city they'd like to control. Moscow would like to take Odessa.

Mariupol is a port, as well as part of a land bridge, and Moscow would like that land bridge for now--but more later.

Odessa is not only a port city, but a place of historical significance to both Ukrainians and Russians. If Moscow takes Odessa it will have effectively made a smaller Ukraine into a land-locked nation. Losing shared mineral rights to the Black Sea would hurt Ukraine not only militarily, but economically.

Until the West steps up, this thing is not likely to end very soon.

[lordtiberius]

LT,

Give yourself a temporary discharge.  You are hurting your cause with your constant assault.  Every third post on the forum is yours.  You must understand that you lose all credibility when you lose control over your obsessive posting.

Tell us again what is worth fighting and dying for Jone. 

[JayH]

Reports appear in several places--not certain of accuracy.


Donbas unidentified aircraft attacked the military base of the Russian Federation

"Rn bp Novoazovsk revised data loss units of the 17th separate brigade JUVO, 200th Artillery Brigade and the 45th Regiment of separate special purpose Airborne "200" -38 "300" - 103 (29 hard), TMN - 6 ", according to the blogger.

"At the scene works FSB"

"At the scene are specialists in \ h 35690 (FSB Special Operations Center).

Ask permission to use the perimeter security against enemy RDG experts in / h 90091 (54 training center for intelligence units Vladikavkaz), "- says Oleg Yarchuk blog.

Yesterday it was known that three unidentified aircraft coming to the enemy positions from the sea, delivered a missile and bombing the camp of Russian troops.
Источник: Новости Facenews - http://www.facenews.ua/news/2015/261854/



Источник: Новости Facenews - http://www.facenews.ua/news/2015/261854/

Donbas unidentified aircraft attacked the military base of the Russian Federation As a result of air strike near the Donbas Novoazovsk January 24 to the base of the Russian military invaders in 38 fatalities, according crime.in.ua citing blogger Oleg Yarchuk.

[lordtiberius]

I hope that Mariupol holds. The rebels have also targeted Kharkiv as a city they'd like to control. Moscow would like to take Odessa.

Mariupol is a port, as well as part of a land bridge, and Moscow would like that land bridge for now--but more later.

Odessa is not only a port city, but a place of historical significance to both Ukrainians and Russians. If Moscow takes Odessa it will have effectively made a smaller Ukraine into a land-locked nation. Losing shared mineral rights to the Black Sea would hurt Ukraine not only militarily, but economically.

Until the West steps up, this thing is not likely to end very soon.

Is it true that Russia is supplying Novorossiya an air force?

[JayH]

Maybe Fake report--no confirmation. The source could be interesting-- a pre-cursor excuse for Russian air attack?


An unidentified aircraft bombed a major Russian base under Novoazovskiy

On the basis of Russian invaders suffered an air strike, which they obviously did not expect.

"Rn bp Novoazovsk air units consisting of 3 units. unidentified accessories realized bombing attacks on the base camp divisions of the 17th separate brigade JUVO, 200th Artillery Brigade and the 45th Regiment of separate special purpose Airborne. Sunset on the attack was carried out from the sea at very low altitude. Loss of l \ and technology with refined, "- says Oleg Yarchuk blog, citing data from interception.

Previously, coordinator of the group Information Resistance Dmitry Tymchuk reported that the current in the area shock task force of the enemy coordinates its activities through a single point of management from a tactical group, which operates directly on Mariupol direction. Control point located north Novoazovsk. The enemy concentrated at the forefront of the order of 30 armored vehicles (including tanks in the area n.p.Pavlopol, and up to 15 units (including 6 tanks) in the area n.p.Mariupol. A total of Mariupol direction operates from 800 to 1,000 fighters and Russian mercenaries.

This morning by Novoazovsk of plants "Grad" was fired district East in Mariupol. The shelling killed more than 20 people, and about a hundred injured. Later, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak said that 4 of the 6 plants "Grad", certain of our intelligence, destroyed .

http://crime.in.ua/news/20150124/aviaudar

Added Later--Kyiv Post is reporting the same links-Same original source but more info--
Ukraine jets hit Russian base near Mariupol, blogger says

Three Ukrainian jets attacked a Russian army base near Novoazovsk, blogger Oleh Yaremchuk says, citing intercepts of Russian army communications Jan. 25, Glavred reports.

The jets bombed servicemen of the 17th brigade, 200th artillery brigade and 45th paratroopers’ brigade. The number of casualties is being established, the blogger said.

The Ukrainian jets approached the base from the sea at low altitude, Oleh Yarchuk said.

http://zik.ua/en/news/2015/01/25/ukraine_jets_hit_russian_base_near_mariupol_blogger_says_559010

[sleepycat]

I hope that Mariupol holds. The rebels have also targeted Kharkiv as a city they'd like to control. Moscow would like to take Odessa.

Mariupol is a port, as well as part of a land bridge, and Moscow would like that land bridge for now--but more later.

Odessa is not only a port city, but a place of historical significance to both Ukrainians and Russians. If Moscow takes Odessa it will have effectively made a smaller Ukraine into a land-locked nation. Losing shared mineral rights to the Black Sea would hurt Ukraine not only militarily, but economically.

Until the West steps up, this thing is not likely to end very soon.

Hey Mendy since Russia doesn't export anything of value other than hydrocarbons, is there anything we Average Joes in the West can contribute to in order to hurt Russia so as to screw mongoloid Putin?

[lordtiberius]

http://uatoday.tv/news/ukrainian-army-names-russian-commander-leading-east-ukraine-winter-offensive-405022.html


According to Ukrainian army officials, Russian Army Mayor General Sergei Kuzovlov, who is reportedly the serving Chief of Staff of the 58th Army of Russia's Southern Military District, is personally leading the Russian army contingent in the military offensive currently underway near the town of Popasna in Luhansk region.

[mendeleyev]

is there anything we Average Joes in the West can contribute

Bo has information on legitimate groups in Ukraine that support their troops and the country.

[AkMike]

is there anything we Average Joes in the West can contribute to in order to hurt Russia so as to screw mongoloid Putin?

 SC, Pm me for a list of sites that will put the help top good use. I've helped some of them already.

[Taz]

Bo has information on legitimate groups in Ukraine that support their troops and the country.

There are a list of well known account numbers too in Privatbank in Ukraine that help collect money for helping Ukrainians. My wife contributes every time she gets paid. I can also ask her if they are setup for foreign contributions. She investigates every one to make sure they aren't a scam.