Possible to meet a woman with "non english"

[northkape]

I started writing this as an answer to JensenHealey...
But was thinking it might have more value as a new thread.
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These are my experiences,, for what it is worth...
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Personally i wouldn't recommend WOWO, but if it works for you.... smile
And I have no idea about the age of you and your woman.
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I am now 58 and have a long experience in Ukraine,
being married with a nice Ukraine woman for 13 years, now divorcing.
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This summer when visiting prospects for a new wife,
I had decided to also meet with women without a common language.
Even though I am a guy that loves long conversations.
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Out of the eleven women I did meet with,, outside agency with interpreter,
only two were in the "non English" category.
One in Zap 35 the other 33 in a village outside Kremenchug.
Both had university educations and good jobs.
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The one in Zap was a total failure,
I sensed it almost from the first moment and it only got worse.
We met in the parking lot outside Mc.Donalds,
me in my car waiting, when she arrived driving her fathers luxury SUV.
Well, she wanted me to ride with her, to her chosen favorite restaurant.
I tried to explain with gestures,,,
that there was no way I would leave my car behind and ride with her.
Eventually we got driving, she in front, me following.
On an ordinary day, this wouldn't be much of a thing to remember.
But as luck would have it,
this was a day with one of the heaviest downpours of rain I have ever witnessed.
Streets got flooded with water and traffic got stuck.....
She was probably very frustrated,, but also a ruthless driver,,, and with a SUV.
I have been driving daily since 13 years old, and was a race car driver for ten years.
Following her SUV with my "lowrider Peugot" on her territory however, was somewhat above my skills.
A police officer running alongside my car,
banging his stick on my roof after a reckless crossing on red,, was probably of the same opinion.
But I had to keep up with her,
or probably lose her, as there was no way we would be able to communicate by phone if we lost connection.
Lena (my x-wife) had called her in the morning and helped "arrange" the meeting.
Almost an hour later we arrived at her favorite place,, went inside and got seated..
I pulled two iPhones from my briefcase with Google voice translator installed, and handed her one....
This was to be my first real life,,, face to face experience with such exiting new technology.
Well, this tech needs WiFi, and I had made sure that her favorite place was well equipped...
But the thunder storm in the previous hour probably cleaned that out.
After fifteen minutes of smiling and showing her photos on my laptop, she had enough,
shaking her head, displaying a "cut throat" with her finger,,,,,, time for the bill.....
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The other one 33 Kremenchug was the total opposite.
I was standing outside my car in the parking lot at the train station in Kremenchug,
late in the afternoon on a sunny day with a mild breeze...
She arrived much later than the regular "half an hour late".
I spotted her, before she found me with her eyes,,
smiling, she walked towards me and greeted me with a warming handshake.
A few gestures and smiles later,
we were on our way, driving to a park along the beach for a walk this lovely afternoon.
If possible to speak with your eyes, she was a master of the art.....
At the restaurant she enjoyed immensely watching my photos,
and continued again and again trying to make Google voice understand.
Not the slightest trace of frustration passed through her smile,
and pure delight in her eyes when Google finally became her friend.
All too soon I had to drive her home, far past midnight,
too dark to communicate by eyes, and she had to be at work early next morning.
I met her again two weeks later for two full days staying in a hotel.
She is a woman I could have married tomorrow without a trace of doubt.
For me looking into her eyes, an open door to a warm and loving personality.
I remember her third letter,,,,,,, only one sentence,,,,
"enough writing Jan, when will you come to me"
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Between the two of us, the lack of a spoken language was at times frustrating,
but never enough to make it even the tiniest amount of uncomfortable.
Even if I told her later,,, that the future, is not for us to share, I feel somewhat sorry inside......
The reason I got around to writing this today was, because she sent me a smiley yesterday.
She will do just that, no words,, she knows that I remember seeing into her eyes......
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Why not rent a car at Borispol and drive to Zap,
the route along Dnieper is in reasonable condition and not congested with traffic.
Driving time is approximately seven hours and most road signs are now in latin also.
Having a car available is very convenient in Ukraine.
And Zap is a very easy city to learn, one long and large main road parallel to the river.
Almost impossible to get lost in Zap,
and you can explore the surroundings with a freedom not possible in any other way.
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Go meet your lady, pay for her English lessons and don't worry too much about anything.
99% of women who communicates over time,
answering your questions and asking about your life are honest and serious.
But both of you are building an imaginary partner inside your minds,
and it is very easy to be disappointed when meeting face to face.
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When you get older you will savor the memories from what you did in your life,,
absolutely nothing to savor from what you didn't do.......

[tfcrew]

Out of the eleven women I did meet with,, outside agency with interpreter,
only two were in the "non English" category.
 I had decided to also meet with women without a common language.
Even though I am a guy that loves ....long conversations?

Did anyone speak Norwegian?
 

[JayH]

Nice  post  Jan and well written. Don't stop there!!!

[Shadow]

Why did you not go for her, and what better qualities had the woman you seem to be trying to establish a relationship with that she missed ?

[Gator]

Northkape, thanks for sharing.
 

I met her again two weeks later for two full days staying in a hotel.
She is a woman I could have married tomorrow without a trace of doubt..................................Even if I told her later,,, that the future, is not for us to share, I feel somewhat sorry inside................

I am confused.  Do you plan to see this woman again?  Have I missed a recent update of your strange story with your UW wife helping you to find a new wife. 

But both of you are building an imaginary partner inside your minds,
and it is very easy to be disappointed when meeting face to face.

Good advice because a WOVO can prompt unwarranted high expectations before meeting for the first time.

When you get older you will savor the memories from what you did in your life,,
absolutely nothing to savor from what you didn't do.......

A Norwegian philosopher.  Yes, life is not a dress rehearsal. 

[Ooooops]

Lena (my x-wife) had called her in the morning and helped "arrange" the meeting.

Here you go, guys!   It is possible to divorce on human terms.   

[Brianinaz]

I never found the language thing to be a big deal. I had three actual relationships with women from Ukraine. None of them (ladies) had more tan basic English when we started. They learned as the relationship progressed. For me the combination of translators, laptop translators, and nonverbal communication worked just fine. The third of those relationships was with my wife. We've been married for 5 1/2 years. It's kind of funny actually. She responded to an ad I ran while in Ukraine. She sent me an SMS message in Russian that said "if you speak Russian I will meet with you". I had about a hundred word vocabulary at the time and she didn't specify how well so I had my translator reply with something like "that would be great bablabl". We met with the translator and the rest is as they say history.

[steveboy]

How can you have a good sex life with a women who speaks no English??? Or do you have a translator under the bed for the first few years?

[ML]

Don't need translations for . . . . Oui, Wow, OMG,  Eeeeeiiiiiiiii

As for positions . . . bending her over the table usually gets the idea across.

If not, just point to bulge in your pants also.

[steveboy]

Don't need translations for . . . . Oui, Wow, OMG,  Eeeeeiiiiiiiii

As for positions . . . bending her over the table usually gets the idea across.

If not, just point to bulge in your pants also.

I have noticed as I said before the slightest mention of sex in a thread and you are there like a fly to horse shit! Im wondering what other sites you frequent:))

[Daveman]

How can you have a good sex life with a women who speaks no English??? Or do you have a translator under the bed for the first few years?

Well, hell yeah! but we kept our interpreter in a more convenient location... sex was fabulous, just like being IN one of those badly dubbed movies.   

[Brianinaz]

How can you have a good sex life with a women who speaks no English??? Or do you have a translator under the bed for the first few years?

First, I haven't met many women in Ukraine that speak no English. Almost all of them have a very basic vocabulary. I don't know about you but I think for most people most communication during sex is non-verbal. So, personally I never found the need for a translator for sex.
Second, you must not meet very bright women. The women I've met who were interested in a relationship picked up the language pretty darn quick. So, if you're still needing a translator after more than a couple of months (let alone years) the women you're meeting either aren't interested enough to learn the language or pretty darn dim blubs.

[Slumba]

I have noticed as I said before the slightest mention of sex in a thread and you are there like a fly to horse shit! Im wondering what other sites you frequent:))

He is a manly man!

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[steveboy]

Well, hell yeah! but we kept our interpreter in a more convenient location... sex was fabulous, just like being IN one of those badly dubbed movies.   

But what if you have a fetish you don't want your interpreter to know about, or maybe she does!! Or maybe she is very very dirty and what she requires is not easy even for a translator! There are some every open minded women, I don't think a translator will be able to help in every situation. lol

[Flashback]

Ok, I've got some questions here...

1. Northkape, great story! What happened?? Next chapter?
4. How long do you know the woman for before feeling comfortable with for paying for English lessons? How do you know they just aren't ripping you off? I don't mind paying, I do mind wasting my time.

Don't need translations for . . . . Oui, Wow, OMG,  Eeeeeiiiiiiiii

As for positions . . . bending her over the table usually gets the idea across.

If not, just point to bulge in your pants also.

For ML:
2. Are you being facetious, or serious?

5. ML, I don't know much about you, but you seem to have a lot of experience here, and I haven't had enough time to read all your posts. Any general knowledge about Ukrainian dating customs to share?

For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple.

6. For me, a 35 yr old White American, what's the acceptable dating range for women in Ukraine? Or does it matter at all? I presume it probably just depends on the maturity of the man and woman? Yes?

7. Does the general rule of the more beautiful the woman, the more $$$ you need apply in Ukraine? It seems to me that since there are so many beauties over there, the threshold would be a little lower.

Thanks for responses

[steveboy]

For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple.

If you have plenty of $$$$ sex can come very fast.

6. For me, a 35 yr old White American, what's the acceptable dating range for women in Ukraine? Or does it matter at all? I presume it probably just depends on the maturity of the man and woman? Yes?

This can depend as it can in any other country



7. Does the general rule of the more beautiful the woman, the more $$$ you need apply in Ukraine? It seems to me that since there are so many beauties over there, the threshold would be a little lower.

Everyone has a price! if you are looking for a bargain try one of the Ukrainian villages, It sounds like your thinking of "Buying a wife"?

Thanks for responses

[Faux Pas]

For ML:
2. Are you being facetious, or serious?

He's serious

For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple.

There are no "usual cultural customs" as far as when to share intimacy. A good rule of thumb for you might be, what is your usual time limit for American women. Her's might be on the 1st date (unlikely), or the 5th or even the 20th. No hard and fast rules here. When to have sex is something generally, nobody has to be told "when", yanno? No, Ukrainian women are no slower or faster than other women of the world. It is a boy meets girl situation. Treat her with the same respect you would with any woman you dated at home and let the progression flow naturally and, it will.

6. For me, a 35 yr old White American, what's the acceptable dating range for women in Ukraine? Or does it matter at all? I presume it probably just depends on the maturity of the man and woman? Yes?

Pretty much the same answer, almost. What is the range you date at home? Limit yourself to 5 years younger than that and 2 years older and you'll be fine. I would however recommend that you stick with the same age group you date at home

7. Does the general rule of the more beautiful the woman, the more $$$ you need apply in Ukraine? It seems to me that since there are so many beauties over there, the threshold would be a little lower.

Thanks for responses

No. In Ukraine like every where else in the world, what you lack in personality, you can make up for in cash. Doesn't matter really because if you are putting price ranges on women and relationship, yours will be headed for the trash heap at some point eventually anyway 

[Muzh]

Ok, I've got some questions here...

For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple.

 
 
Are you serious?
 
Dude, you take your time, someone else is going to warm her up for you.
 
 

6. For me, a 35 yr old White American, what's the acceptable dating range for women in Ukraine? Or does it matter at all? I presume it probably just depends on the maturity of the man and woman? Yes?

7. Does the general rule of the more beautiful the woman, the more $$$ you need apply in Ukraine? It seems to me that since there are so many beauties over there, the threshold would be a little lower.

I can see where these two questions can be tied together.
 
The acceptable 'dating' range in Ukraine is directly proportional to the size of your wallet.
 
Now, when you decide to look for a wife, then you will have to consider other metaphysical issues unrelated to your wallet.

[ML]

For ML:
2. Are you being facetious, or serious?

5. ML, I don't know much about you, but you seem to have a lot of experience here, and I haven't had enough time to read all your posts. Any general knowledge about Ukrainian dating customs to share?

For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple.

6. For me, a 35 yr old White American, what's the acceptable dating range for women in Ukraine? Or does it matter at all? I presume it probably just depends on the maturity of the man and woman? Yes?

7. Does the general rule of the more beautiful the woman, the more $$$ you need apply in Ukraine? It seems to me that since there are so many beauties over there, the threshold would be a little lower.

Thanks for responses

2.  Yes

3,5  I have never pushed intimacy with any woman in FSU.  I just do normal low key things (hold hands, light kisses on cheek, lots of humor and smiling, dancing, singing) and the woman lets me know that she wants to step up the pace.  Several have wanted sex on first date.  More common is 2nd and 3rd dates.  Some have even waited until 6th date.  But we really can't read much into the particular waiting periods . . . because there may be other 'periods' that were influencing.

Also, with some women, they may screw a guy on first date that they really have no continuing interest in, and wait until 6th or later date for a man they have more interest in.  The old idea that man won't think well of you if you screw too soon.

I really don't notice much difference in dating customs in many countries of  the world . . . excepting oriental and muslim countries.

[GQBlues]

...For everyone...
3. After meeting a woman you like, and the two of you decide to you are going to be together. What are the usual cultural customs with women and intimacy? I've heard that Ukrainian women go very slow, even several months pass before sex or serious kissing. Is this true? Or does it just depend on the woman? For example, in the USA, men and women are usually getting pretty intimate by the 3rd or 4th date depending on the couple....

The first question we need to know before answering that question is...

A) Is this the woman the same woman you held dear about being everything you've ever dreamed off and are so lucky you finally 'found her' and decided to finally make the trip to meet in person the first time?

or B) ...the back-up woman?


If 'A', el naturale ought to apply....

if 'B', "you must prove other evidences of the feelings"... 

[GQBlues]

Well, hell yeah! but we kept our interpreter in a more convenient location... sex was fabulous, just like being IN one of those badly dubbed movies.   

 

Was she in the other room desperately trying to listen to either of you so she can yell the translations back?

[JayH]

2.    Some have even waited until 6th date.  But we really can't read much into the particular waiting periods .

You must be slow-- some guys on forums are married quicker than that!!

[lordtiberius]

Why is the OP divorcing? 

Relationships are built on trust and communication.  You can do rock, paper, scissors pantomimes like Marceau Marceau but what happens when you found out that your kid is having trouble in school, or you just saw in interesting movie and you want to talk about it, or you are trying to teach your wife how to drive.

If you are going to chat no English ladies, you should speak their language.  This thread though meaningful has more red flags than Uncle Joe birthday party.

[JensenHealey907]

Thanks for the encouragement Northkape.

I am scheduled to fly to Ukraine November 27th. Travelling through Istanbul and Kiev. My lady friend has arranged for me to rent an apartment there because she says it will be nicer than a hotel. I am not sure why this is but I am prepared to accede to her suggestions.

I will check into the translate app you mentioned.

[steveboy]

Thanks for the encouragement Northkape.

I am scheduled to fly to Ukraine November 27th. Travelling through Istanbul and Kiev. My lady friend has arranged for me to rent an apartment there because she says it will be nicer than a hotel. I am not sure why this is but I am prepared to accede to her suggestions.

I will check into the translate app you mentioned.

Probably because the apartment is one of her friends so she can make some commission:) Now is the perfect time to do a little checking, ask her where the apartment is, to send you some photos and how much it will cost. Often the apartment will come as part of a package i.e. the apartment/taxi driver/translator and any other goodies they can threw in for a little extra cash:) Of course its not always the case:)