Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Jamesukjames on January 02, 2019, 09:16:50 AM
-
Ok experienced guys. Ever looked through her phone and not liked what you saw but then thought so what if she looked through mine. Open and fair debate please. Should be some good stories. Or should a gentleman never look ?
-
Ok experienced guys. Ever looked through her phone and not liked what you saw but then thought so what if she looked through mine. Open and fair debate please. Should be some good stories. Or should a gentleman never look ?
Small question of trust here.
Why would you want to look through her phone in the first place?
My wife has access to all my devices. Similarly, I do hers. I don’t feel the need to go scrolling through her phone or computer nor she mine.
-
I don't think it is ever a good idea, for many reasons.
For here, I will only address one reason; that is might cause you great and undue anguish.
For instance, you could see a message from another guy X months or even X years earlier.
Someone that she might have decided to never (or never again) follow up with.
So she might have never had a relationship (or a serious relationship) with him or, in any event, has decided to end it.
However for you, it will raise all sorts of questions and possible anxieties.
Don't do it !!
-
My soon to be ex-wife ( Russian ) was quite happy to go through my computer when we first started to live together - it wasn't locked - I had deleted past women in my life - but while I was working she drilled down and found some in a zipped folder I'd forgotten about and backed up from three years before .... I found it somewhat amusing and she seemed 'jealous' of another lady's bottom ...
A few weeks later her Mum and her fell out about something and she wouldn't talk to her and I found her webmail open and translated it ... Remember this was MY computer and we were living together - not married yet .
I told her what I'd done and also got 'sent to Coventry' ( silent treatment )
There's nothing my partner can't look at - as long as she doesn't move / delete it and if she has an issue - I'd rather she discuss it - openly
SC is a breath of fresh air .... She also doesn't lock her tablet / phone and I often get a request to 'visit' to fix a tech problem remotely ( using Teamviewer )
-
It depends on the person, but I think everyone gets at least a little jealous or worked up about past lovers. Hell, when I was real young I even got worked up when my gf mentioned an actor she really liked.
One day, during my first trip visiting wifey-to-be, I had a connection issue and asked her if she had a signal - she was busy with something and just handed me her phone and gave me the passcode to unlock it. For a second I thought about looking at her messages/whatsapp/viber, but the second passed and that was it.
We've since talked about past relationships, and she is open about discussing just about anything. Her past is her past, mine is mine.
-
I would never look through another partner's phone and would expect the same back. I find it just kind of find it a very poor attitude to do so, kind of like a deficiency in thet person's personality, almost like their a bit of a psycho with a controlling mentality. I don't think it is at all healthy psychologically for either partner to want to look through the others phone, its also kind of demeaning in a way. I would never accept it or likewise do it.
-
Ok I had my gf son run up to me with his mum's phone open laughing and showing me a 2 way conversation with loads of hearts even worse it was in English not Russian
-
I read enough to see it was from a guy
-
Ok I had my gf son run up to me with his mum's phone open laughing and showing me a 2 way conversation with loads of hearts even worse it was in English not Russian
So is it current? And if so, did she tell you she wasn't communicating with anyone else?
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
She said there was a guy from the past who was still interested but they hadn't communicated since the summer. We got together october. Oh yes this was a conversation from yesterday going way back
-
You're too early in your relationship to make an issue of this, IMHO. Win her over on your own merits.
But, perhaps this has opened your eyes to how unrealistic some of your past posts about the merits of FSUW were.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Oh yes certainly can feel the hand of karma
-
LOL. Well, TBH, I'm probably cynical because I'm influenced by:
a) seeing a lot of bad behaviour when I lived there;
b) my FSUM's opinions. But then, he views Westerners as wanting to build relations based on money, so he's an equal opportunity misanthrope.
Just so you understand the context of where I'm coming from.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Never have, never will.
-
From earlier posts it sounds like the girl had been sleeping with James so it's kind of disingenious of her to do that while messaging another guy, from western society perspective anyway. Though like said she may have only thought herself suitable for short term flings.
Could always try disciplining her, a few smacks on the bum should set her straight ;D Would be a tame response compared to measures many FSUM take I hear. :crackwhip:
To be honest though Boethius is probably right in terms of not mentionin it and winning her over to your merits if you want a long term future with this girl. As you may already know James, FSW do not take disagreements well so taking issue with it would likely send matters downhill pretty fast.
Odds are he may just be a keyboard romeo or some loney guy who just wants a penpal and may never intend to visit. Lots of them around. I think a lot of guys (myself earlier in this game) want exclusivity early on in the relationship. What I've learnt along the way though is that it's pretty pointless bothering with it/about it. The girl will either decide to communicate just with you or not so pretty worthless raising it as a point. Now I would tend to go with the perspective that if the relationship is a goer then she'll end up with me and if not asking for exclusivity won't likely help.
Curiously though it's kind of interesting that this other guy has gone for her as most guys choose a girl who is good in English and has no children.
-
So you look into your gf's or wife's phone and find something but it's not real evidence of her cheating. Big deal. What you guys need is Track A Partner. Link below is easy to use. You can use it anywhere in the world and find anybody in the world as long as they have a phone in their possession. It works with GPS. Type in your woman's phone number. The website will link with a satellite that's travelling over her country and zoom in. She says she's at grandma's house but you find out she's at the disco dancing the night away or she may be in boyfriend #4's house banging him. You can go to his house and kick butt or cancel the wedding and k-1 visa saving you thousands. It's free to use so test it on yourself to judge accuracy as the satellite zooms in on your exact location. Don't tell your women(plural) about this site as they can use it to bust you too.
http://www.trackapartner.com/
-
As an aside the girl I met last year began going on the dating site again when we had a dispute. At one point I told her she would unlikely find a guy that would be as generous as I was towards her :D Well looks like I was right as a bit before Christmas she took her profile down of the dating site. I'm pretty sure she was only listed on the one dating site.
Had our break up just been over that issue then I could have just kept quiet and ignored her disceet and ridden it out. As it was it was a side issue that just led me to distrust her. I wanted her to know I wasn't stupid. Time over again though I wouldn't bother raising it no real progress is made in doing so and the odds are she'll get nowhere with such goings on anyway so it will likely all roll back in your direction anyway.
-
As an aside the girl I met last year began going on the dating site again when we had a dispute. At one point I told her she would unlikely find a guy that would be as generous as I was towards her :D
I almost fell out of bed on reading this. If you’re generous Trench, I don’t know what Scrooge would be?
Well looks like I was right as a bit before Christmas she took her profile down of the dating site.
There could be any number of reasons why she took her profile down. The obvious one being she met someone worthy enough.
That aside, why are you checking up on her if it didn’t work out (no surprise there)? Some would call it a form of stalking.
Had our break up just been over that issue then I could have just kept quiet and ignored her disceet and ridden it out. As it was it was a side issue that just led me to distrust her. I wanted her to know I wasn't stupid.
Paranoia will really get you the girl......
-
There could be any number of reasons why she took her profile down. The obvious one being she met someone worthy enough.
That aside, why are you checking up on her if it didn’t work out (no surprise there)? Some would call it a form of stalking.
I just happened to notice her profile was no longer in my mail folder when I was checking it. So I did a search and her profile was no longer up either. If her profile was no longer in my mail folder then it's unlikely she went on unseen mode but rather deleted her profile.
You're right it could be for all sorts of reasons hence why I didn't bother mentioning it on here till now. However on checking her vk & Facebook profile there was no update on there either. Now she is one to keep her relationships some what on the quiet but if she had someone I'm pretty sure a pic of the two of them would pop up or a foreign guys name on her friends list. Could be a local guy but again I would be thinking of a photo Moreso if local I would have thought. I think she probably realised I was right in saying she wouldn't find a guy as generous as me and gave up after some time. She lives out in Kherson so not many guys are going to travel out there while her traveling to meet guy adds complexity to it all as she had to ask guy to stump the cost, etc.
-
I just happened to notice her profile was no longer in my mail folder when I was checking it. So I did a search and her profile was no longer up either. If her profile was no longer in my mail folder then it's unlikely she went on unseen mode but rather deleted her profile.
You're right it could be for all sorts of reasons hence why I didn't bother mentioning it on here till now. However on checking her vk & Facebook profile there was no update on there either. Now she is one to keep her relationships some what on the quiet but if she had someone I'm pretty sure a pic of the two of them would pop up or a foreign guys name on her friends list. Could be a local guy but again I would be thinking of a photo Moreso if local I would have thought. I think she probably realised I was right in saying she wouldn't find a guy as generous as me and gave up after some time. She lives out in Kherson so not many guys are going to travel out there while her traveling to meet guy adds complexity to it all as she had to ask guy to stump the cost, etc.
Definitely some stalking going on here.
-
Definitely some stalking going on here.
There's that whooshing sound ( again ) of irony...passing right over your head ;)
-
Definitely some stalking going on here.
She gave me her details in the past so I already had her first name & surname. We never connected though as she wanted to see my life for real - i.e the tourist visa issue.
Possibly I may be able to bring her up on Skype etc. and ask why though I'm not sure if there's much point in it but rather to move on.
-
I'm not sure if there's much point in it but rather to move on.
In all seriousness, JG had a point .. You never got off the ground.. She's not seeking your attention / nor slagging you off...
Let her be
-
In all seriousness, JG had a point .. You never got off the ground.. She's not seeking your attention / nor slagging you off...
Let her be
True but regardless that it never got of the ground and our issues I still care that she is ok. I don't really even know if she is still alive. From what she told me she didn't like her living situation where she was.
-
Ok call me bad. Hopefully my real I d will never come to light and I'm posting to help wake up others and get some advice for myself. I read enough by scrolling back about 3 weeks to know they met in Dubai about 6 months ago and it was sexual and a few other holidays. Now she told me this relationship ended summer 18 we got together october. His present texts are asking to meet January February march. From what I can tell they had a phone call the day before I arrived and she has not picked up a lot of call while I've been here. I arrive back UK 13 January. My present plan live life Ukraine as normal and end the relationship when back in UK. There had been talk of marriage and relocating and me supporting her as she retrained I now realise maybe even this was a red flag. Strangely looking at her phone caused me to end a 21 year marriage and the next 3 year relationship because I was being 2 timed. So what would you do ?
-
Hmm, You've had a lady ( or two ) cheat on you ..
She doesn't appear to have responded while you've been there and that is a 'good' sign ... ? He isn't THAT important to her - or she'd have found a way TO respond to him ...
Talk it over - do not wait until you're home ... and do not announce she's dumped - yet ..
-
If I were to guess at what happened, I would assume your current lady told her son to show you the phone. This is a very typical FSUW move. WM are, generally, too stupid (no offense intended) to put 2 and 2 together, to figure out they are being manipulated. FSUM can fall for this too, but they usually wise up by age 40.
What did her mother do for a living in Soviet times? If your lady is still communicating with the other guy and the mother knows, that could explain her reaction to you.
What would I do in your situation? I always rely on my intuition. Your gut will tell you the right thing to do, if you slow down and listen without outside distraction.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Trust your intuition. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck - then it is probably a duck.
Hah! Seems like Beothius beat me to the punch. I don't think my intuition has ever let me down, though haven't been smart enough to always listen to it.
-
I know the mother met the other guy. What troubles me is the lies. I was told this guy had not been communicated with since summer. My gut feeling is as soon as I'm out of the apartment gf will be back in communication with the other guy with some cover story as to why quiet for 2.5 weeks. She just replied to his texts with a heart. A quick response instead of texting in front of me. Suddenly I feel like I'm living with a real player.
-
As to phone. I was home alone with gf son while g f drove mother home. She left him playing with her phone.
-
I know the mother met the other guy. What troubles me is the lies. I was told this guy had not been communicated with since summer. My gut feeling is as soon as I'm out of the apartment gf will be back in communication with the other guy with some cover story as to why quiet for 2.5 weeks. She just replied to his texts with a heart. A quick response instead of texting in front of me. Suddenly I feel like I'm living with a real player.
Keeping her options open, more like. Doesn’t excuse her lying to you, of course.
If I were you I would end it now. Why drag it on knowing what you know.
If you carry on as if everything is normal and sleep with her (which I assume you are) but with the intention of dumping after returning to the UK that would be very deceitful.
Let her go.
-
There's that whooshing sound ( again ) of irony...passing right over your head ;)
You know all about that, don’t you?
-
In the context of JG, naturally!
-
In the context of JG, naturally!
Classic Mobyspeak 😂
-
This is an interesting thread James, it kind of shows the sort of dilemmas that can occur when meeting a new girl in the FSU/Ukraine. Many guys think it all goes smoothly and sometimes it does. They laugh at those experiencing issues without realising that it's not the fault of the guy who has been landed in such a situation not of their wishing. I don't blame you for looking at her phone as it was not a direct action on your part. It your cad it would be silly not to look at what was brought to you and it's given you a different dimension to this girl.
On this occasion I think JG is right in that she us likely to pick up communication more with other guy after you have left. If you leave any discussion of it till after you leave the relationship is very likely to end over the Internet. Communication over the Internet about problems tends to make the problems worse I think. The anger and distrust build and you're not got that personal realness with each other.
I'm not sure whether bringing it up while you are there would help solve it at all anyway. She could give you a load of BS, you could ask her to choose between the two of you and ask her to text him to end it with you watching. Might work but she might pick up again with him or another guy after you've left. At the moment she is looking a tricky one to continue a relationship with. From the girl I was with last year questions over whether I could trust her kept coming up and going and it tends to knaw away at a relationship so isnt a great position to be in.
I think it's will probably be difficult mentally to wait out the time with her even if it is to check her phone at a later date for messages/calls. Unless of course you detach yourself mentally from her and just use her for sex. Some guys can do that but I find the more I distrust a girl the harder that is.
Considering you have the next week free if you dump the girl that could give you time to meet other girls out there. I believe you said you are in Kiev so you'll need alternative accommodation. I find Hotel Ukraine pretty good of Maiden Square in cental Kiev. It's a huge hotel and usually pretty decent price ecentre more so in thd winter though watch out for the Christmas period there. With the present girl though I'm not sure it's a goer anymore. Like I say bringing it up could prolong a relationship where the trust us no longer there so you may just want to make your excuses (business calls or something) and leave.
By any chance is the girl you're with particularly hot?
-
Ok call me bad. Hopefully my real I d will never come to light and I'm posting to help wake up others and get some advice for myself. I read enough by scrolling back about 3 weeks to know they met in Dubai about 6 months ago and it was sexual and a few other holidays. Now she told me this relationship ended summer 18 we got together october. His present texts are asking to meet January February march. From what I can tell they had a phone call the day before I arrived and she has not picked up a lot of call while I've been here. I arrive back UK 13 January. My present plan live life Ukraine as normal and end the relationship when back in UK. There had been talk of marriage and relocating and me supporting her as she retrained I now realise maybe even this was a red flag. Strangely looking at her phone caused me to end a 21 year marriage and the next 3 year relationship because I was being 2 timed. So what would you do ?
It seems if anyone is being cheated on, it's the other guy? You are with her after their relationship, and with her now. Perhaps he didn't commit to anything with her, and that is why she has hooked up with you? You mentioned talk of marriage - did she bring it up or did you? And if she did and you were non-committal, she might be following up again with him. You have the details. If she's the one for you, then talk things over with her. If she's not, then you guys had a good time together this winter.
-
This is an interesting thread James, it kind of shows the sort of dilemmas that can occur when meeting a new girl in the FSU/Ukraine. Many guys think it all goes smoothly and sometimes it does. They laugh at those experiencing issues without realising that it's not the fault of the guy who has been landed in such a situation not of their wishing. I don't blame you for looking at her phone as it was not a direct action on your part. It your cad it would be silly not to look at what was brought to you and it's given you a different dimension to this girl.
On this occasion I think JG is right in that she us likely to pick up communication more with other guy after you have left. If you leave any discussion of it till after you leave the relationship is very likely to end over the Internet. Communication over the Internet about problems tends to make the problems worse I think. The anger and distrust build and you're not got that personal realness with each other.
I'm not sure whether bringing it up while you are there would help solve it at all anyway. She could give you a load of BS, you could ask her to choose between the two of you and ask her to text him to end it with you watching. Might work but she might pick up again with him or another guy after you've left. At the moment she is looking a tricky one to continue a relationship with. From the girl I was with last year questions over whether I could trust her kept coming up and going and it tends to knaw away at a relationship so isnt a great position to be in.
I think it's will probably be difficult mentally to wait out the time with her even if it is to check her phone at a later date for messages/calls. Unless of course you detach yourself mentally from her and just use her for sex. Some guys can do that but I find the more I distrust a girl the harder that is.
Considering you have the next week free if you dump the girl that could give you time to meet other girls out there. I believe you said you are in Kiev so you'll need alternative accommodation. I find Hotel Ukraine pretty good of Maiden Square in cental Kiev. It's a huge hotel and usually pretty decent price ecentre more so in thd winter though watch out for the Christmas period there. With the present girl though I'm not sure it's a goer anymore. Like I say bringing it up could prolong a relationship where the trust us no longer there so you may just want to make your excuses (business calls or something) and leave.
By any chance is the girl you're with particularly hot?
to the entire post :cluebat: :wallbash: :cluebat: :wallbash:
to the highlighted: The ONLY girl you ever "been with" (the only girl you ever have been with at all I think) and base your whole experience on when it comes to dating in FSU - you really should shut the f*ck up as clueless as you are.
and what the hell does her looks have anything to do with this?
-
to the entire post :cluebat: :wallbash: :cluebat: :wallbash:
to the highlighted: The ONLY girl you ever "been with" (the only girl you ever have been with at all I think) and base your whole experience on when it comes to dating in FSU - you really should shut the f*ck up as clueless as you are.
and what the hell does her looks have anything to do with this?
You don’t beat about the bush, do you? 😃
-
By any chance is the girl you're with particularly hot?
Absolutely irrelevant.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Absolutely irrelevant.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
If she's particularly hot looking she could be like a magnet for men. I know James said she was 38 but many FSW can still look hot and youngish at that age.
My thoughts are also that women in their thirties with kids may be more risky than women in their twenties as they may tend to be more confident in manipulating men. They have far more experience under their belt and will be less nieve than a lot of younger girls and know how to handle themselves. So they may try and play a dating situation more where a lot of younger girls won't probably wish to chance the risk of messing up a chance to get out of their often bad situation.
Take that guy who met a women in her late thirties of EM on the film documentary 'love me'.
-
You don’t beat about the bush, do you? 😃
I have no problems with Trench asking questions or relying his lack of experience, he even has his own thread for it, but he needs to poison every single thread here with his nonsense, clueless nonsense. Giving advice on things he has NO knowledge about. Only things he thinks, and after meeting one single girl he thinks he knows all about the FSU society - and no, when it comes to useless information and the waste of space when he writes anything - I don't beat around the bush
-
Steve makes excellent points.
There is a saying in Ukraine - Women are like cats - they will go to anyone who pets him.
To play devil's advocate here, who are you to her? She is not yet your wife, you've only been with her 3 months. Why not tell her you know she is communicating with another man, and what her plans are? But, don't expect her to be honest.
A Ukrainian perspective would be, "Why should she tell him anything? Who is he to her?"
Tens of thousands of men, many of them sex tourists, go to Ukraine and promise marriage to women, with no intention of following through. There are Russian and Ukrainian language sites devoted to exposing sex tourists. So, look at it from her perspective. She is sitting on an asset of declining value (her beauty) and wants a life abroad. Until the deal is sealed, for her, all options must remain open.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
If she's particularly hot looking she could be like a magnet for men. I know James said she was 38 but many FSW can still look hot and youngish at that age.
My thoughts are also that women in their thirties with kids may be more risky than women in their twenties as they may tend to be more confident in manipulating men. They have far more experience under their belt and will be less nieve than a lot of younger girls and know how to handle themselves. So they may try and play a dating situation more where a lot of younger girls won't probably wish to chance the risk of messing up a chance to get out of their often bad situation.
Take that guy who met a women in her late thirties of EM on the film documentary 'love me'.
Proving yet again you are clueless.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Think it highlights high risk of marriage to import a woman and the benefit of moving in with them in the f s u to check out the scene.
-
Also a woman can go from a no date situation in her home town to so many offers via the internet.
-
Like the cat analogy she is rather like a cat likes a lot of attention and stroking most UK women are far more standoffish or I'm just being played well here
-
With my ex wife 19 years and past gf of 3 years I contacted the other guy but in both cases they united against me so I know that's not a solution.
-
Think it highlights high risk of marriage to import a woman and the benefit of moving in with them in the f s u to check out the scene.
How is moving in with them a benefit? Is it that you discovered this? You know if someone offered her marriage while you are living with her in Ukraine, there is a more than 50% chance she'd dump you to take the marriage offer.
Also a woman can go from a no date situation in her home town to so many offers via the internet.
That is not true. There are lots of offers for sex. Not so many for marriage.
Like the cat analogy she is rather like a cat likes a lot of attention and stroking most UK women are far more standoffish or I'm just being played well here
Or, as I posted, she is just hedging her bets. In 10 days, you'll be gone, and she is alone again, with a precarious future.
With my ex wife 19 years and past gf of 3 years I contacted the other guy but in both cases they united against me so I know that's not a solution.
It seems you've made up your mind. If this is accurate, do as John suggested - leave now. I do think you should tell her why, though. Not necessarily that you saw her phone, just that you know she is still in communication with another man. Honestly though, that will perplex her.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
With my ex wife 19 years and past gf of 3 years I contacted the other guy but in both cases they united against me so I know that's not a solution.
No why would you contact him? He has done nothing wrong, he probably don't even know you exist, why don't you take this up with your girl instead and ask her about it, if you are exclusive now then she would not even hesitate to delete that communication.
but I say this without been in that situation, I never opened pandoras box... I trust my girl 100% and I know she is both being courted online and offline, and she tells me all about it, heck one guy figured out where she lives and came there bringing a huge bouquet of roses and chocolate asking her out - knowing full well - she was in a relationship with me.
She thanked him for the gifts, closed the door, called me on Skype and told me all about it while enjoying the chocolate and smeeling the roses :D :D
-
I have no problems with Trench asking questions or relying his lack of experience, he even has his own thread for it, but he needs to poison every single thread here with his nonsense, clueless nonsense. Giving advice on things he has NO knowledge about. Only things he thinks, and after meeting one single girl he thinks he knows all about the FSU society - and no, when it comes to useless information and the waste of space when he writes anything - I don't beat around the bush
That’s not quite true. Trench has his bible, Bang Ukraine, by that esteemed personality, Roosh, which informs his perspective.
-
With my ex wife 19 years and past gf of 3 years I contacted the other guy but in both cases they united against me so I know that's not a solution.
Why would you want to do that? The issue is with your gf. Without knowing much about your history with this girl it’s a bit difficult to give an opinion on the probable nature of the relationship. However, if there has been a commitment made after which she has been communicating with her former fb then you need to extricate yourself without any further delay.
-
A year or so ago I was thinking the same as James about it being beneficial to move in with the girl to really get to know her. From a western perspective that makes sence and nice for us WM to have that. I do however think Boethius is probably more right and she makes some very good points including my earlier point that this girl is hedging her bets ;). FSW I think tend to think differently and have different conventions than in the west and this perplexes us western men, particularly as I was and still am a little with not a lot of knowledge on how they work. I think they are almost pre-programmed by society to act a certain way in dating & relationships as a generalisation. Some will vary a bit but most will have these conventions as routes to proceed along.
I think that is why they united against you in previous relationships James, to them it was a perfectly usual convention to do that but in the west of course we call it two timing, etc So FSW probably don't understand by western standards its not on to carry on that way and she probably won't understand it even if explained to her.
So I think it just comes down to a choice of whether you want to stick it out with her ir call it a day and use the remiaing days in Ukraine to try again.
A few months ago I was communicating with a girl in Minsk, Belarus. She was pretty, at least a 9 or so. She seemed fine communicating with me until I asked her why it took her so long to get back to me. In her message she snapped back 'You haven't done anything for me yet, I have my life, you are at the stage of an epal, if you pretend for something else please work on it' etc, etc like a stiff cold wind snapping around my arse. She also stated she could comunicate with whoever she wanted! Further efforts at alleviating the situation got nowhere, she probably got it from a lot of men and did'nt understand that in the west a woman hedging her bets even in message form can be seen as disengenious.
So it certainly seems to me to FSW the more commitment given the more commitment back in return.
-
Any once else starting to wonder in James is really Trench's alter ego? :popcorn:
-
A few months ago I was communicating with a girl in Minsk, Belarus. She was pretty, at least a 9 or so. She seemed fine communicating with me until I asked her why it took her so long to get back to me. In her message she snapped back 'You haven't done anything for me yet, I have my life, you are at the stage of an epal, if you pretend for something else please work on it' etc, etc like a stiff cold wind snapping around my arse. She also stated she could comunicate with whoever she wanted! Further efforts at alleviating the situation got nowhere, she probably got it from a lot of men and did'nt understand that in the west a woman hedging her bets even in message form can be seen as disengenious.
What makes you think WW are any different? The only difference is that, as we are not a proletarian culture, a WW will be polite to you in answering such questions. She would essentially tell you the same thing, but indirectly.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
What makes you think WW are any different? The only difference is that, as we are not a proletarian culture, a WW will be polite to you in answering such questions. She would essentially tell you the same thing, but indirectly.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
I would say what a WW would say would sound much the same but in reality would come from an entirely different angle. A WW would say it more from a feminist angle a FSW would say it more from a strategic dating angle in which she was brought up in.
-
Wrong on both counts.
WW employed the same strategies before feminism.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Any once else starting to wonder in James is really Trench's alter ego? :popcorn:
I can see how some might think that James is approaching FSU dating from a western perspective how I startedid off and to some extent probably still am as it's all he's got to go by. More experienced members are no doubt more in tune with FSU dating. Remember though, I don't go for single mothers ;)
Not meaning to upset James but can't help but think of the moment the kid handed James the phone, it's the kind of perversely comical moments you can just get in FSU dating!
-
I can see how some might think that James is approaching FSU dating from a western perspective how I startedid off and to some extent probably still am as it's all he's got to go by. More experienced members are no doubt more in tune with FSU dating. Remember though, I don't go for single mothers ;)
Not meaning to upset James but can't help but think of the moment the kid handed James the phone, it's the kind of perversely comical moments you can just get in FSU dating!
Yes, I'm sure he found it highly comical! :wallbash:
-
I can see how some might think that James is approaching FSU dating from a western perspective how I startedid off and to some extent probably still am as it's all he's got to go by. More experienced members are no doubt more in tune with FSU dating. Remember though, I don't go for single mothers ;)
Not meaning to upset James but can't help but think of the moment the kid handed James the phone, it's the kind of perversely comical moments you can just get in FSU dating!
Who the hell are you to call him inexperienced, someone with 5 relationships with FSU women?
That's more relationship then you managed to get dates in FSU.
and you had what, a whole one! and I hardly call that a relationship since you only where fu**buddies
Hi all I'm a UK guy. Having had a rough divorce from a UK woman I'm now dating a beautiful Ukranain she has a 5 year old son from her first marriage. I've read all the official UK government paperwork but would like some advice on the process of moving this little family to the UK. Her ex hasn't seen his son for 4 years. She is my 5th FSU relationship and I have the experience to say they were all so much better than UK women.
-
Who the hell are you to call him inexperienced, someone with 5 relationships with FSU women?
That's more relationship then you managed to get dates in FSU.
and you had what, a whole one! and I hardly call that a relationship since you only where fu**buddies
I'm not saying I am more experienced than him but that he and of course I are not experienced as some other forum members. Taking nothing away from James I do think though that knowing who not to have a relationship with does also count. If you have a relationship with the first girl up, girl after girl there may not have been the due diligence necessary given.
-
but I say this without been in that situation, I never opened pandoras box... I trust my girl 100% and I know she is both being courted online and offline, and she tells me all about it, heck one guy figured out where she lives and came there bringing a huge bouquet of roses and chocolate asking her out - knowing full well - she was in a relationship with me.
She thanked him for the gifts, closed the door, called me on Skype and told me all about it while enjoying the chocolate and smeeling the roses :D :D
Yeah you may not be the genius you made yourself out to be or think you are, lol.
You 'trust your girl' and allow her to carry on messaging with other guys online. So essentially she is online dating other guys/potential candidates while seeing you. I don't see that one ending well :ROFL:
Then she tells you about a guy who tracked her down and gave her chocolates. Well he must have found out a fair bit about her through their messaging to do that. She didn't refuse the chocolates, perhaps she was laughing at you while you were laughing.
The way she handled it for all she knows guy might have turned out to one of your mates so she covered herself nicely by telling you ;) Don't consider yourself so lofty to be am insider Nightwish, you are likely to end up with egg on your face if you do.
-
No I'm not trench but I'm less anti trench than many I'd say hes the extreme version of me. Anyway brought it up with gf and got the answer some stated I would get along the lines of too soon for exclusive and it's her life and apartment. So I'm going to wait for my flight home smile and joke with her about the situation and I think end it. Finished the conversation and went out sledging as if nothing happened. I'm not a man to live like a lap dog. Maybe a real clash of cultures or I just have a very strange mind set about exclusivity that's out of date. To be continued ... hope it helps others to keep their eyes open.
-
It can be a mistake to ask but at the same time it can be a learning experience. I asked FSW stuff I dated and learnt from it. I think dating in the FSU has a lot to do with learning their dating culture. She is probably oblivious to what her actions mean for WM. If you contacted the other guy he's reaction would probably be much the same as yours I'm guessing. Another path open to you could be to show the girl commitment and see how she responds.
-
No I'm not trench but I'm less anti trench than many I'd say hes the extreme version of me. Anyway brought it up with gf and got the answer some stated I would get along the lines of too soon for exclusive and it's her life and apartment. So I'm going to wait for my flight home smile and joke with her about the situation and I think end it. Finished the conversation and went out sledging as if nothing happened. I'm not a man to live like a lap dog. Maybe a real clash of cultures or I just have a very strange mind set about exclusivity that's out of date. To be continued ... hope it helps others to keep their eyes open.
Not going to be a lap dog but still happy to live under her roof. Some men would grow a pair >:D
-
No I'm not trench but I'm less anti trench than many I'd say hes the extreme version of me. Anyway brought it up with gf and got the answer some stated I would get along the lines of too soon for exclusive and it's her life and apartment. So I'm going to wait for my flight home smile and joke with her about the situation and I think end it. Finished the conversation and went out sledging as if nothing happened. I'm not a man to live like a lap dog. Maybe a real clash of cultures or I just have a very strange mind set about exclusivity that's out of date. To be continued ... hope it helps others to keep their eyes open.
So, it looks like you have trust issues due to past experiences. It could be you had a string of bad luck. Or is part of it something you are doing, or not doing? You've spent 2-3 weeks with her at her place...have you done anything to win her over? Make yourself stand out so that she feels you are the "one"? Or are you just a generic guy happy to sit on the couch and get fed and "serviced"?
On one hand it is good news - she is not desperate to leave with just anyone offering an EU/UK passport. The bad news is that you have to be a bit more exceptional.
If it's not going anywhere, why worry about ifs and buts? You had a nice winter fling.
-
Yeah you may not be the genius you made yourself out to be or think you are, lol.
You 'trust your girl' and allow her to carry on messaging with other guys online. So essentially she is online dating other guys/potential candidates while seeing you. I don't see that one ending well :ROFL:
Then she tells you about a guy who tracked her down and gave her chocolates. Well he must have found out a fair bit about her through their messaging to do that. She didn't refuse the chocolates, perhaps she was laughing at you while you were laughing.
The way she handled it for all she knows guy might have turned out to one of your mates so she covered herself nicely by telling you ;) Don't consider yourself so lofty to be am insider Nightwish, you are likely to end up with egg on your face if you do.
Sorry to disappoint you trenchy boy, but she has a quite big online persona, both open Facebook and Instagram, due to both being very extrovert and bcs of her business.
She has pictures of us on both on them, in all kinds of situations, clearly stated in a relationship, and guys still hit on her both openly and in messaging, and yes they do send her messages and she never replies to any of them. Instead she shows me sometimes what they write, sometimes we spend an evening just looking through her inbox and laughs, sometimes she replies with a snarky comment and blocks them.
I am fully aware this is something you never could deal with, trusting a woman to be faithful, trusting a woman not to be only after money, trusting a woman in general, we all know you would never do that, better tie them to the bed and kitchen and put kids in her nonstop so no one else wants her. (Trench philosophy of life - let's see how that turns out for you)
All men are not as weak as you..if man is even a word for what you are
-
Sorry to disappoint you trenchy boy, but she has a quite big online persona, both open Facebook and Instagram, due to both being very extrovert and bcs of her business.
She has pictures of us on both on them, in all kinds of situations, clearly stated in a relationship, and guys still hit on her both openly and in messaging, and yes they do send her messages and she never replies to any of them. Instead she shows me sometimes what they write, sometimes we spend an evening just looking through her inbox and laughs, sometimes she replies with a snarky comment and blocks them.
I am fully aware this is something you never could deal with, trusting a woman to be faithful, trusting a woman not to be only after money, trusting a woman in general, we all know you would never do that, better tie them to the bed and kitchen and put kids in her nonstop so no one else wants her. (Trench philosophy of life - let's see how that turns out for you)
All men are not as weak as you..if man is even a word for what you are
Oh I'm sorry you obviously just rely on your own Mojo which no other guy has got.
-
Well I've rebuilt all the badly installed kitchen and bedroom draws. Done the shopping . Cared for a 5 year old while she was at work and gym and her mum's. Done a bit of shopping so I've done ok pulling my weight
-
Well I've rebuilt all the badly installed kitchen and bedroom draws. Done the shopping . Cared for a 5 year old while she was at work and gym and her mum's. Done a bit of shopping so I've done ok pulling my weight
Yep, she's hasn't done badly out of it then :D
-
I'm told the other guy is wealthy and older than me. I would say I was well off before my divorce but now I'm definetly British average.
-
As to balls and getting out there's a fair amount of logistics to this.
-
Plus this girl has got under my skin certainly nice to hang out with
-
So you're happy to go out and play in the snow and pretend nothing has happened, stay under her roof, sleep in her bed, have sex with her...and then dump her when you arrive home? Sounds like the sort of classy behaviour we'd expect from another board member around here.
-
As to balls and getting out there's a fair amount of logistics to this.
Can't think of who you are refering to Lyndon ;D
I agree, cost of another airline ticket for an earlier flight home, re - arrange travel times etc. It's why I say if it were me I would book into Hotel Ukraine in Kiev City Centre. Ask for a room one up from the standard overlooking Maidan 'Independence Square' - great view. They used to do morning buffet breakfast all in with the room price and probably still do. There breakfast dining room is huge & grand with a good choice of stuff to eat again with great views over 'Maidan', nice & high up, you can see a lot of the city centre from there. For a week this time of year it will probably only cost you around £150. Look up on their website and see what you can get. Then log onto the online dating sites and message a few women that catch your eye.
That's of course if your ready to throw the towel in with your present lady.
-
Can't think of who you are refering to Lyndon ;D
I agree, cost of another airline ticket for an earlier flight home, re - arrange travel times etc. It's why I say if it were me I would book into Hotel Ukraine in Kiev City Centre. Ask for a room one up from the standard overlooking Maidan 'Independence Square' - great view. They used to do morning buffet breakfast all in with the room price and probably still do. There breakfast dining room is huge & grand with a good choice of stuff to eat again with great views over 'Maidan', nice & high up, you can see a lot of the city centre from there. For a week this time of year it will probably only cost you around £150. Look up on their website and see what you can get. Then log onto the online dating sites and message a few women that catch your eye.
That's of course if your ready to throw the towel in with your present lady.
Hey Trench
The only time I’ve ever stayed in a hotel in Kyiv was at the Premier Palace. Look it up.
A tad classier than that place you mentioned.
Unlike you, I like the finer things in life and don’t mind paying for them.
-
Well at present I'm in her bed and she's in her son's room. I'm not one for pulling the pin on the grenade too soon. I've done that on my last 2 relationships I'm going to just see how this runs . Thank God for expedia for finding a hotel room if I have to bale. Remember I'm out in north Ukraine snow and orthodox Xmas about to make travel difficult
-
But plan b is to do a trench to kiev
-
Oh I'm sorry you obviously just rely on your own Mojo which no other guy has got.
Remind us again how many relationships you managed to have in these 3-4 years you been on the trail?
Or even how many dates you managed to get and how those dates turned out?
-
But plan b is to do a trench to kiev
do a trench - You mean fail miserably at every attempt :cheesy:
Do do that, do better, if you manage to get one date that don't bail on you, you will be 100% more successful
-
Well at present I'm in her bed and she's in her son's room. I'm not one for pulling the pin on the grenade too soon. I've done that on my last 2 relationships I'm going to just see how this runs . Thank God for expedia for finding a hotel room if I have to bale. Remember I'm out in north Ukraine snow and orthodox Xmas about to make travel difficult
I think you at least need to front it out; then you can make a decision to either stay or go. Looks like there are faults on both sides but it would be wrong to just ride it out without at least trying to address it.
As Boe points out though, you may not get a straight answer and you may find yourself in limbo. I still think as a man you need to keep your dignity and confront the situation.
-
This is my first attempt at f s u internet dating. Having dated f s u women in the past from working in Minsk or friends of friends.
-
Hey Trench
The only time I’ve ever stayed in a hotel in Kyiv was at the Premier Palace. Look it up.
A tad classier than that place you mentioned.
Unlike you, I like the finer things in life and don’t mind paying for them.
Your paying more needlessly JG, the Hotel Ukraine is 'the' most central hotel in Kiev and also has a grand impressive interior and an interesting history. It is far cheaper than most central city hotels in Kiev and I very much doubt the Premier Palace can compete on views :D
-
I think you at least need to front it out; then you can make a decision to either stay or go. Looks like there are faults on both sides but it would be wrong to just ride it out without at least trying to address it.
As Boe points out though, you may not get a straight answer and you may find yourself in limbo. I still think as a man you need to keep your dignity and confront the situation.
No! He's already done this, did you miss the post. Are you suggesting he does it again? If that's the case I can see why you're still looking Lyndon, even I know that will send matters south quickly and is a pointless endeavour. If he does it before bedtime he will likely get no action tonight either.
She's essentially seeing what the best deal she can get is. James sounds like he's up against a pretty big wallet but if he gives her more commitment? ?? :-\
-
Trench my gut feeling is more fish in sea
-
John hears a fresh perspective from someone who has no face to face experience with a FSU woman.
I've been with a local girl for almost 3 months and we aren't "face book official" as my daughter puts it. This means we are free agents in what's essentially a casual relationship. That's where your relationship is ATM, despite exposure to her life and family.
I've not had one relationship in 4 years, were we have been exclusive during the first few months. It's expected without saying.
This is smart dating now days, with so many options available to meet people and the divorce rate for second marriages. You are very unlikely to meet middle aged woman with kids who doesn't keep her options open, until she feels you're 100% committed to each other.
She might have lied to you, but I think you made a mistake, by even mentioning it. Don't move out or you'll look petty, apologize for snooping and commit to a serious relationship if that's what you want. If not, be smart like her and keep your options open.
Looking at some of the replies, I'm pretty sure your getting a lot of advice from guys who have been out of the dating game for years or aren't getting past the first steps of a relationship.
-
She's essentially seeing what the best deal she can get is. James sounds like he's up against a pretty big wallet but if he gives her more commitment? ?? :-\
No she's being a normal smart single mother who's survived a failed marriage.
-
Well I've rebuilt all the badly installed kitchen and bedroom draws. Done the shopping . Cared for a 5 year old while she was at work and gym and her mum's. Done a bit of shopping so I've done ok pulling my weight
So, basically, you have pulled your own as a roommate/lodger.
Do you make her laugh? Do you guys have a fantastic time together? Do you have conversations through the wee hours of the night?
This is your second visit with her, yes? I am not sure a handyman/babysitter/grocery shopper is a type of man she has never met before and can't live without...
-
This is my first attempt at f s u internet dating. Having dated f s u women in the past from working in Minsk or friends of friends.
Hmmnn yeah internet dating site girls will have guys contact them so the competition can be more. One lady a few months back who I contacted told me that she had since got married to a guy - she hadn't been on site for many, many days - shame as she had big knockers :) So she was out of thd running. Guess that's where your friends girls are better. I think though you have just been very unlucky this time. Many girls will not find many guys that they feel are runners.
I wouldn't give up on the internet dating sites but I think if you do continue to use them you need to take a more relaxed view as to there potentially being other runners in the race for thd girl. It's still way better than say Match dating at home most girls get few hits from serious guys and like I say most don't have more than one guy on the go at any one time. FSU dating sites can be a real lucky dip I find, you can pull out all sorts of girls and strange situations.
-
Yes we have a laugh chat . This is first lifestyle holiday. Week in cyprus week in egypt a week in ukraine when she was not working. This is different real life. Yes I do a pretty good job in the bedroom. No I can't make her laugh like her Russian friends on the phone.
-
Every so often I look at English plenty of fish and think noooooo
-
Every so often I look at English plenty of fish and think noooooo
Lol, yeah me too :)
James I think you're doing alright, you're picking up experience at FSU dating. It will help you do better next time. Staying with girl for a bit of fun is ok and showcase knows you may find out if any of her friends are available or at least know more about stuff.
You never know what you may find out in the next few days and who knows she may come around to favouring you.
Other option is to split and spend the remaining week looking for another girl, can be hit & miss and not always easy to tell where the best time is to be had I think.
-
Any once else starting to wonder in James is really Trench's alter ego? :popcorn:
The second he praised Trench = he is Trench - equally stupid - dumb- not capable of understanding anything! :cluebat:
A thankyou to Nightwish for channeling my thoughts and stating them( again ) !!
For those longer term readers-- note-- Trench again quotes the sex tourist pedophile Roosh as a credible source ( the guy lives in his mothers basement) for life and attitudes in Ukraine -- despite being told years ago that he was all BS !
Some of the more sane contributors here have addressed James issues directly -- so no comment from me on that at this time -- save- you are talking about 2 adults -- not teenage virgins.
When James first appeared recently-- and a few others -I asked some specific questions that go straight to some key issues. Mostly -- I got ignored while dumbass cheer leading was replied to.
I think I am correct in saying this is actually James 1st visit to Ukraine? Yet has been involved with multiple FSU women previously -- and in the current lady's case met her at holiday destinations.
There are many reasons why that is not a good idea --one ( of many) is it is super easy to find a girl prepared to go away on a holiday -especially out of the country. In fact-there are web sites devoted to just that.
To me -- that is the disconnect to long term relationship- maybe marriage.
It becomes the classic case of the little head doing the thinking and not the big head. :wallbash:
-
I agree with the, "There are many reasons why that is not a good idea --one ( of many) is it is super easy to find a girl prepared to go away on a holiday -especially out of the country. In fact-there are web sites devoted to just that.
To me -- that is the disconnect to long term relationship- maybe marriage."
I noticed that James had made the same mistake as I had last year. For me it is old ground, lesson learnt. I can assure you James is not me, no point me going over that turf again, I made a mistake learnt not to do same again, end of.
I also went to Cyprus so me & James do both have that scene done though, lol. Would be interesting to know what they got up to there?
I also find it interesting James went to Egypt with her as well. That is kind of unusual to do two holidays abroad before visiting her home?
I assume James paid for both holidays for her seeing that she would unlikely be in a position to pay for both.
I'm also guessing that James has realised his mistake now that being generous with holidays abroad confers no loyalty or benefits from FSW whatsoever.
-
Surprisingly we went Dutch on Every thing and she's fast to get her purse out unusual for the fsu. And this is my second visit to her apartment. First time for a week she took leave. This time she suggested I came to make use of the fact she has the European and orthodox Christmas off work. All would have been sweet if I had not been shown her phone or if I could have not reacted but I really liked her so could not game.
-
Surprisingly we went Dutch on Every thing and she's fast to get her purse out unusual for the fsu. And this is my second visit to her apartment. First time for a week she took leave. This time she suggested I came to make use of the fact she has the European and orthodox Christmas off work. All would have been sweet if I had not been shown her phone or if I could have not reacted but I really liked her so could not game.
Very strange for a FSW to go Dutch. Possibly she earns a fair bit or maybe the rich guy is sending her a stripend. Other possibility may be she thought as a single mum it may make her more desirable to WM.
If you really like her you may want to stick it out and see how it goes. She may just see at your stage together in the relationship it's too early to be beholden to each other. She may also be used to the freedom of single girl in own apartment lifestyle.
-
Oh my god I suddenly got this and without thinking aloud on this site never would. The other guys her sugar daddy and I'm some light entertainment to fill in the gaps.
-
Jayh the little heads been having the best time of his life . The big head has been trying to take in the overview. I'm not posting on here for praise just to maybe help some others stay wide awake.
-
Oh my god I suddenly got this and without thinking aloud on this site never would. The other guys her sugar daddy and I'm some light entertainment to fill in the gaps.
Yeah, I guess that could fit. He's older and wealthier than you. I've done the sugar daddy bit, never really something I ever wanted to aim at. You as light entertainment, possible I guess. I'm not sure which would be the least admirable status, maybe both, who knows.
I think that is part of your problem that you don't know where you fit in with her. You could ask but I'm not sure whether you would get an answer that tells you much.
Anyhow, how come you're still messaging b on here. Must be past 3 am where you are, aren't you in bed with her?
-
I've done the sugar daddy bit, never really something I ever wanted to aim at.
Sugar daddy? :ROFL:
More like a Splenda daddy.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
She's essentially seeing what the best deal she can get is. James sounds like he's up against a pretty big wallet but if he gives her more commitment? ?? :-\
Or perhaps she is looking for her other half, the man she is meant to be with.
The vast majority of women are not as mercenary as you seem to believe.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Oh my god I suddenly got this and without thinking aloud on this site never would. The other guys her sugar daddy and I'm some light entertainment to fill in the gaps.
Not likely.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
I'm in her bed and she's sulking and made up a bed in her son's room
-
Sugar daddy? :ROFL:
More like a Splenda daddy.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
Ha, ha very funny Boethius, you bitch! :'(
To be honest as Krimster tells us its not necessarily Sugar Daddy but more the dating set up out there. It kind of feels like Sugar Daddy though or at least as you put it in my case Splenda Daddy :(
-
I'm in her bed and she's sulking and made up a bed in her son's room
How come? I thought you were sound as in you went out sledding and she didn't seem to mind your question.
-
Oh my god I suddenly got this and without thinking aloud on this site never would. The other guys her sugar daddy and I'm some light entertainment to fill in the gaps.
If she were really just looking for "light entertainment" to "fill in the gaps", she would have chosen a local man.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
No I can't make her laugh like her Russian friends on the phone.
This is an interesting observation -- not just for the OP here but anyone looking !
Going back some years I could see how animated and excited my lady was talking to her friends -- I could see some time later that she was like that with me -in real life,on phone or inet -- it was a good feeling.
Since then -- I discussed this with her - which was enlightening in itself .
It was something I also saw in my previous( long term) relationship that changed over time ( in a positive way) .
This is not about making her laugh( good in itself) as such-- but her being relaxed and open and being her natural self.
-
This is an interesting observation -- not just for the OP here but anyone looking !
Going back some years I could see how animated and excited my lady was talking to her friends -- I could see some time later that she was like that with me -in real life,on phone or inet -- it was a good feeling.
This is a good point.
Some years back, I spent quite a bit of time with a guy . . . first in business and continuing as friend.
I noticed that his wife was very animated and smiling when talking on the phone with some friends and family. Then she was a sour puss when interacting with him. It was like night and day.
So I suspected big trouble ahead . . . which turned out to be true.
Observation . . . if the gal is animated with others and not with you . . . it's not going to work.
-
The phone behaviour
She ( presumably) isn't talking to another man in James' presence and IF she was - and being deceitful, she would try to behave as if she was talking to her friends ? ....
What IS important is how she behaves with him face to face - at home and when in the company of her friends?
James - I see that you are now sleeping separately -I am sorry to hear that... esp. as I was one that advised you to confront her .. I just hope you'll both either work through it - or you'll part knowing you weren't great long-term material .. (
-
James - I see that you are now sleeping separately -I am sorry to hear that... esp. as I was one that advised you to confront her .. I just hope you'll both either work through it - or you'll part knowing you weren't great long-term material .. (
Yeah that's great advice you handed out there Mobers, LOL. I bet James will be hoping there's not more where that came from :ROFL:
-
James as bad as it looks now I think this relationship is still very much salvagable, that is as long as you don't take any more advice from Mobers ;D
Thing I have found with FSW is that you can have a falling out but they tend to get over it fairly soon. So by the next night she will likely be fine, if you make sure you have a good fun day today then that will help a lot.
The thing what not to do is repeat the mistake of raising the issue again. I would probably avoid even doing so to apologise. It tends to compound the mistake. Too many repeats of this mistake and/or other criticisms of her or anything negative and it will before too long damage tour relationship most likely beyond repair.
At the moment I don't think there will be long term damage if you leave it as is. I'm assuming here the sleeping arrangement was because of this issue btw. It may not be a bad idea sticking around and seeing how things fair. My thought is that at the very least this situation could prove to be a valuable insight into how to handle a FSW so you don't mess it up with another girl. I still think though this girl could still be a viable partner for you. She didn't kick you our of the flat and she was hurt by your action so she must like you I figure.
-
If she were really just looking for "light entertainment" to "fill in the gaps", she would have chosen a local man.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
I think you're right here Boe as westerners James and I would tens to see it as he described but I don't think the girl would be that aware of these concepts or that it might loo like that. I think she is just trying to decide between the two of them.
When I was at the Turkish Cyprus airport sat in the departures lounge waiting to leave after my holiday with the girl year previous. Well that is when it struck me that she may see me as a sugar daddy. It was a pretty uninspiring feeling, I never really set out to be one especially in my late thirties. It's not a thought I cared to share here at the time but do so now as I know James is probably thinking all sorts trying to make sense of the situation. Fortunately I later found its just one of the ways FSW date rather than a sugar daddy set up. If anything it's probably best not to read in too deep into a situation I've found as it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion from our western society perspectives.
I think there is probably a greater cultural dating divide between the UK & Ukraine than there is between the US & Ukraine for thd most part. I'll explain why, here in the UK we tend to go on fixed status of relationships and agreeing/knowing our position within them. To not know our position would seem strange to us and we would wonder how this stand. We see it as right and proper to know this. In the US & Ukraine meanwhile I think people are used to more casual tie-ups. Not necessarily the same mechanics I'm each culture and misunderstandings may still arise depending on part of US guy is from and the dating mechanics there. I think though a lot less US guys seem to have problems with wondering where their FSW is at I think as we don't tend to here of these problems from them.
-
Your paying more needlessly JG, the Hotel Ukraine is 'the' most central hotel in Kiev and also has a grand impressive interior and an interesting history. It is far cheaper than most central city hotels in Kiev and I very much doubt the Premier Palace can compete on views :D
You don’t get it do you? I’m not paying more needlessly. I’m paying more because I choose to stay somewhere that better meets my requirements and standards I expect.
Of course in your case, beggars can’t be choosers.,
-
Trench msmob did nothing wrong I value all opinions. I do my own thing no one influenced me to do anything. But I can say sharing on here is making me make better more controlled faster decisions. After sledging in lift to apartment I did joke at all the hearts going back and forwards saying I hope she didn't expect such things from me hence the nights sleeping arrangement. Anyway she got in bed with me 7 am and left for work 8 am. It's all chilled with me I've been around the block a few times and I'm maybe getting the hang of this. I was 20 when I met my wife so game is a bit new to me.
-
I know guys take the Mick on here but there is a lot of good info.
-
No! He's already done this, did you miss the post. Are you suggesting he does it again? If that's the case I can see why you're still looking Lyndon, even I know that will send matters south quickly and is a pointless endeavour. If he does it before bedtime he will likely get no action tonight either.
She's essentially seeing what the best deal she can get is. James sounds like he's up against a pretty big wallet but if he gives her more commitment? ?? :-\
Haha, Trench giving out more laughable advice on what will happen in a FSU relationship. Really? Blow up and head south? Does it sound like things are in a good place as it stands? Of course he needs to front it out. Mob was completely right to suggest he confront her. There are rights and wrongs on either side but sitting it out without discussing it like adults until he goes home and then dumps her from afar is pathetic, irrespective of the nature of her communication with the other guy or what work James has done on her house.
You're a mouse and not a man that would just take the free rent or stay at the luxurious Hotel Ukraine (ever used Tripadvisor?) as long as you were getting free sex. Everyone is entitled to deal with the situation how they see fit, but who in their right mind would accept such a situation and either step up or step away? Even your mate Roosh would be disappointed with your apathy and cheapness in such a situation.
You have no idea why I'm single. I've just come out of a relationship with a lady on a different continent to FSU, hence the break until now from this forum. I thought some sanity may have been installed but I see you're still giving out advice. When was the last time you even had a date? :wallbash: Oh I forgot, all English women are fat and unappealing to such a stud. :clapping: Trench and Sugar daddy in the same sentence...funniest thing I've heard in a long time :D
-
Trench msmob did nothing wrong I value all opinions. I do my own thing no one influenced me to do anything. But I can say sharing on here is making me make better more controlled faster decisions. After sledging in lift to apartment I did joke at all the hearts going back and forwards saying I hope she didn't expect such things from me hence the nights sleeping arrangement. Anyway she got in bed with me 7 am and left for work 8 am. It's all chilled with me I've been around the block a few times and I'm maybe getting the hang of this. I was 20 when I met my wife so game is a bit new to me.
Personally I couldn't stew on it without at least discussing it as adults to the point where there's some resolution one way or the other, especially if you're now in separate beds. Don't get back to the UK and regret not having cleared their air or leaving things unresolved. If she's not the one and you can't move past the issues, it would be better to bring it to a head in Ukraine and reach some closure.
Whatever you do, don't listen to Trench. He's about as good with relationship advice as he is with earning a fortune from being an architect :P It doesn't matter about being new to game (or the game, if that's what you meant). You have enough life experience and intuition to surely know if things feel right or not but whichever direction, you need to meet the challenge head on either way.
-
Trench msmob did nothing wrong I value all opinions. I do my own thing no one influenced me to do anything. But I can say sharing on here is making me make better more controlled faster decisions. After sledging in lift to apartment I did joke at all the hearts going back and forwards saying I hope she didn't expect such things from me hence the nights sleeping arrangement. Anyway she got in bed with me 7 am and left for work 8 am. It's all chilled with me I've been around the block a few times and I'm maybe getting the hang of this. I was 20 when I met my wife so game is a bit new to me.
Looks like your little heads taken charge. Reading the situation as you’ve described, it appears you have rolled over and accepted the situation without any further discussion. (I don’t count jokey comments as a serious discussion )
So, are you accepting of the way things are with her communicating with this other chap or are you going to string her along and use her for the next week and dump her after returning home?
-
Personally I couldn't stew on it without at least discussing it as adults to the point where there's some resolution one way or the other, especially if you're now in separate beds. Don't get back to the UK and regret not having cleared their air or leaving things unresolved. If she's not the one and you can't move past the issues, it would be better to bring it to a head in Ukraine and reach some closure.
Whatever you do, don't listen to Trench. He's about as good with relationship advice as he is with earning a fortune from being an architect :P It doesn't matter about being new to game (or the game, if that's what you meant). You have enough life experience and intuition to surely know if things feel right or not but whichever direction, you need to meet the challenge head on either way.
You’re giving out some sound advice here. One hopes the OP will take it on board and Chuck Trenchies advice in the bin.
-
You’re giving out some sound advice here. One hopes the OP will take it on board and Chuck Trenchies advice in the bin.
Funny that all the UK guys on here are coming forth sating the same thing - that they would front up the girl. This is entirely the thing NOT to do. It proves my point that fronting up a girl (vice versa) is part of UK dating culture not Ukraine dating culture. It has already gone badly for James him doing that, it will continue in a downward path if he continues to do that.
I said even before I knew that he brought it up again what would happen, and guess what happened! I also guessed near enough correct that it would be a one night issue so long as he doesn't bring it up again today and make sweet on her.
FSW are as stuborn as a mule. If you're lucky you may find a westernised one or one that doesnt fit that generic profile but most do. I've learnt that you might as well deal with it their way or you're hitting your head against a brick wall needlessly. Sure James could have it out for the rest of the week and destroy his relationship completely with thd girl. Thing is the next FSW he meets will likely be just the same anyway!
-
Personally I think James should take it as a challenge and see if he can beat this rich guy. To my mind she accepted his advance after she had been with this rich guy so that could show he is in with a chance. If James concentrates on building a relationship and winning her favour he may win the girl or as 2tallbill would say, win her heart to win the girl :)
-
Haha Trench. Yes, you are right. We bow down to your superior knowledge about women. You would sit in the corner and keep quiet in an unhappy situation because the girl is hot, you're getting some sex and you daren't make an issue of it, correct?
I think between us 'UK guys' we've got 1000 times more experience of visiting the FSU and with women than you have. Why should he not bring it up? You predicted that they'd the discussion would end in some tension so you were right in that he shouldn't have mentioned it? What possible future can there be in a relationship where there's an underlying issue and the two adults in the relationship can't even talk about it?
Time to grow up Trench and grow a brain and a pair to go with it. You really are a relationship idiot. Nothing to do with being from the UK or not; it's common sense and about self-respect and respect for the other half. You show more and more every day why you've never been able to pull or keep a girl.
-
This is an interesting observation -- not just for the OP here but anyone looking !
Going back some years I could see how animated and excited my lady was talking to her friends -- I could see some time later that she was like that with me -in real life,on phone or inet -- it was a good feeling.
Since then -- I discussed this with her - which was enlightening in itself .
It was something I also saw in my previous( long term) relationship that changed over time ( in a positive way) .
This is not about making her laugh( good in itself) as such-- but her being relaxed and open and being her natural self.
Good insight. You should be able to make your woman laugh so hard at a sudden funny comment that her drink spills out of her nose.
-
Funny that all the UK guys on here are coming forth sating the same thing
If you ever did think - you would realise that here could be a good reason for that ......
-
Haha, Trench giving out more laughable advice on what will happen in a FSU relationship. Really? Blow up and head south? Does it sound like things are in a good place as it stands? Of course he needs to front it out. Mob was completely right to suggest he confront her. There are rights and wrongs on either side but sitting it out without discussing it like adults until he goes home and then dumps her from afar is pathetic, irrespective of the nature of her communication with the other guy or what work James has done on her house.
You're a mouse and not a man that would just take the free rent or stay at the luxurious Hotel Ukraine (ever used Tripadvisor?) as long as you were getting free sex. Everyone is entitled to deal with the situation how they see fit, but who in their right mind would accept such a situation and either step up or step away? Even your mate Roosh would be disappointed with your apathy and cheapness in such a situation.
You have no idea why I'm single. I've just come out of a relationship with a lady on a different continent to FSU, hence the break until now from this forum. I thought some sanity may have been installed but I see you're still giving out advice. When was the last time you even had a date? :wallbash: Oh I forgot, all English women are fat and unappealing to such a stud. :clapping: Trench and Sugar daddy in the same sentence...funniest thing I've heard in a long time :D
The fact that you are single probably means that you are doing stuff wrong but don't realise it. You say she was from another continent, do you know the dating culture there and culture in general? Or do you decide there's two people in the relationship but only one of those two people's idea of how a relationship runs is valid? You are still looking for a FSW but more importantly as you seem to indicate you have not picked up experience along the way.
People bang on here about my 'failures' dating in the FSU. I don't see it as that, I see it as learning experiences. Virtually every time I have learnt something new and to me valuable information that I can utilise when I (hopefully) meet the right woman.
The 'man' that would accept such a situation would be the one that understands common dating practice in the FSU. It's alien to us, we see it as weak and insincere. That we are being played for whatever by the woman. Well you can either play the game or lose out, don't hate the player hats the game as they say. You think Lyndon that by bulldozing the issue of the other guy into her she will fold and kick the other guy to the curb. 'That' is western dating morals and attitudes, that is the western dating game. I am telling you there is more chance of hell freezing over than that happening. FSW are as stubborn as the word stubborn defines, she will not do that. She doesn't understand western dating game and even if explained to her she won't understand. She sees that she is doing nothing untoward and no matter how many times it is explained to her she won't. It is pointless bringing it up it will just cause arguments that will damage the relationship. The only way is for Lyndon to accept that he's efforts to date do not grant him any special status in the FSU. If he wants this woman for anything more than sex he is going to have to commit to her. At the moment he is just another playmate, that is the way out there. If you don't get with thd game Lyndon you'll unlikely get far with many FSW.
Now I know the game it doesn't bother me. I would rather know what the game is and how to win at it than not be in the game at all or not see the game as worth playing as in the west.
-
Now I know the game it doesn't bother me. I would rather know what the game is
Trench-- you have not a clue -that is zero,zilch - a minus in the clueless stakes. I branded you a social misfit long ago -in any culture on this earth.Some here attacked me over that comment- some gave you the benefit of doubt -- subsequently many( most) now agree with my view.
Today-- again you attempt to attack another critic with your clueless attempted insults & conclusions.
Your terminology brands you as ignorance personified.( eg "out there" ,"game" etc)
The inane outdated advice you choose to seize on and believe is pathetic.
There is not one poster here that thinks your "thinking" or "advice" is worth a anything whatsoever -- despite you regurgitating some comments on forum ( which you repeatedly show your lack of comprehension)
The more you post-the more confirmation that you are 100% full on IDIOT! :cluebat:
ps please go anywhere but to Ukraine
-
Jay, if James accepts that this is an insincere woman who is two timing him as on the western sense it is already lost. If he can see that it's a different game and those rules don't hold true in the FSU then there is hope. His choice.
-
Trench, you can't call somebody that especially a female.
Ha, ha very funny Boethius, you bitch! :'(
-
Trench, you can't call somebody that especially a female.
I was joking Bill, besides she gave as good as she got.
-
I was joking Bill, besides she gave as good as she got.
How funny was it the last time you jokingly called a person of African origin a "N"?...... Seriously Trench, there's no difference.
-
The fact that you are single probably means that you are doing stuff wrong but don't realise it. You say she was from another continent, do you know the dating culture there and culture in general? Or do you decide there's two people in the relationship but only one of those two people's idea of how a relationship runs is valid? You are still looking for a FSW but more importantly as you seem to indicate you have not picked up experience along the way.
People bang on here about my 'failures' dating in the FSU. I don't see it as that, I see it as learning experiences. Virtually every time I have learnt something new and to me valuable information that I can utilise when I (hopefully) meet the right woman.
The 'man' that would accept such a situation would be the one that understands common dating practice in the FSU. It's alien to us, we see it as weak and insincere. That we are being played for whatever by the woman. Well you can either play the game or lose out, don't hate the player hats the game as they say. You think Lyndon that by bulldozing the issue of the other guy into her she will fold and kick the other guy to the curb. 'That' is western dating morals and attitudes, that is the western dating game. I am telling you there is more chance of hell freezing over than that happening. FSW are as stubborn as the word stubborn defines, she will not do that. She doesn't understand western dating game and even if explained to her she won't understand. She sees that she is doing nothing untoward and no matter how many times it is explained to her she won't. It is pointless bringing it up it will just cause arguments that will damage the relationship. The only way is for Lyndon to accept that he's efforts to date do not grant him any special status in the FSU. If he wants this woman for anything more than sex he is going to have to commit to her. At the moment he is just another playmate, that is the way out there. If you don't get with thd game Lyndon you'll unlikely get far with many FSW.
Now I know the game it doesn't bother me. I would rather know what the game is and how to win at it than not be in the game at all or not see the game as worth playing as in the west.
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zoosk.com/date-mix/dating-advice/the-definition-of-exclusive-dating-vs-a-relationship/amp/
Trench, date locally before you go any further. You have it completely wrong......read the article.
The OP is in the first "casual stage" if he hasn't had a honest talk with her about being 100% exclusive. This topic is all over the internet on any other site you'd be told you're worried about nothing as it's a new relationship.
-
How funny was it the last time you jokingly called a person of African origin a "N"?...... Seriously Trench, there's no difference.
I never have, if you can find where I have on this forum please state. I think in the western world everything has gotten a bit too PC. Boethius had no more reason to be upset over my comment than me hers. This is an informal forum guys no need to get so uptight. I don't hold any potentially personal comment Boethius or anyone else has made of me against them.
-
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zoosk.com/date-mix/dating-advice/the-definition-of-exclusive-dating-vs-a-relationship/amp/
Trench, date locally before you go any further. You have it completely wrong......read the article.
The OP is in the first "casual stage" if he hasn't had a honest talk with her about being 100% exclusive. This topic is all over the internet on any other site you'd be told you're worried about nothing as it's a new relationship.
You're in Australia!!!!! Australia is not the UK. If anything the link looked more closely aligned with dating in probably much of the US, particularly California and of course Australia. In the UK we tend not to date like that. It tends to mean exclusive from the moment a date is agreed between two people. Dating is quite traditional here. Those that stray at looked upon as two timers, insincere even deceitful, etc.
Why do you think all the UK guys (apparently including Mobers) all said (apart from me) that James should front up girl that what she was doing was wrong. It's because we don't do casual dating here. I was trying to get across the point that it is different in the FSU, not quite casual dating in the US/Australia sense as in the article but certainly at odds with what nearly all UK men expect. Now James is free to chose and play it as he wants. I don't hold it against him if he chooses others advice I am just stating my opinion that's all.
-
After sledging in lift to apartment . . .
What the he!! is this ??
-
You're in Australia!!!!! Australia is not the UK. If anything the link looked more closely aligned with dating in probably much of the US, particularly California and of course Australia. In the UK we tend not to date like that. It tends to mean exclusive from the moment a date is agreed between two people. Dating is quite traditional here. Those that stray at looked upon as two timers, insincere even deceitful, etc.
Why do you think all the UK guys (apparently including Mobers) all said (apart from me) that James should front up girl that what she was doing was wrong. It's because we don't do casual dating here. I was trying to get across the point that it is different in the FSU, not quite casual dating in the US/Australia sense as in the article but certainly at odds with what nearly all UK men expect. Now James is free to chose and play it as he wants. I don't hold it against him if he chooses others advice I am just stating my opinion that's all.
As I said Trench, you've been out of the local dating game for too long. When's the last time you went on a date or been in a relationship?
Times have changed, you can't take for granted that you're exclusive in the first few months, unless you've agreed to be.
http://uk.parship.com/magazine/a-real-relationship/are-the-british-now-multiple-daters-rather-than-serial-monogamists.htm
I've got single mates who play county cricket in England and are actually experiencing your dating scene and it's exactly the same as here.
-
The OP is in the first "casual stage" if he hasn't had a honest talk with her about being 100% exclusive. This topic is all over the internet on any other site you'd be told you're worried about nothing as it's a new relationship.
First causal stage?? Is looking to move your gf and son to your country casual?
Hi all I'm a UK guy. Having had a rough divorce from a UK woman I'm now dating a beautiful Ukranain she has a 5 year old son from her first marriage. I've read all the official UK government paperwork but would like some advice on the process of moving this little family to the UK. Her ex hasn't seen his son for 4 years. She is my 5th FSU relationship and I have the experience to say they were all so much better than UK women.
-
First causal stage?? Is looking to move your gf and son to your country casual?
That's the nature of the beast I guess. This is fast paced dating and if you actually think about it we are all f#%king crazy. Who in their right mind would consider getting married after what equates to a few weeks to a month, on a local dating timeline.
I would hope a girl is smart enough to explore all her options until a firm comment is made. This is the most important decision anyone makes and for her far more risky.
-
That's the nature of the beast I guess. This is fast paced dating and if you actually think about it we are all f#%king crazy. Who in their right mind would consider getting married after what equates to a few weeks to a month, on a local dating timeline.
I would hope a girl is smart enough to explore all her options until a firm comment is made. This is the most important decision anyone makes and for her far more risky.
From James description this is much beyond the first casual dating stages. He’s practically living with her in her apartment looking after her kid.
No, she’s been playing him and he should have that discussion with her and go from there.
Right now it appears he’s made up his mind to stay on till the end of his planned visit and just use her for sex, then dump her after getting back home.
-
You're in Australia!!!!! Australia is not the UK. If anything the link looked more closely aligned with dating in probably much of the US, particularly California and of course Australia. In the UK we tend not to date like that. It tends to mean exclusive from the moment a date is agreed between two people. Dating is quite traditional here.
Those that stray at looked upon as two timers, insincere even deceitful, etc.
Why do you think all the UK guys (apparently including Mobers) all said (apart from me) that James should front up girl that what she was doing was wrong. It's because we don't do casual dating here. I was trying to get across the point that it is different in the FSU, not quite casual dating in the US/Australia sense as in the article but certainly at odds with what nearly all UK men expect. Now James is free to chose and play it as he wants. I don't hold it against him if he chooses others advice I am just stating my opinion that's all.
Complete bollocks as usual.
-
What the he!! is this ??
eg sledging on sports field = in US bad mouthing or provocative insults that can be humorous or pointed
So in this case --verbal comments with negative connotation
Guessing !
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sledging
sledging noun [ U ] (INSULTING) informal the act of one sports player insulting another during a game, in order to make them angry. Insults & abuse.
-
Anyway she got in bed with me 7 am and left for work 8 am.
:D
Oldest trick in the book - 'weaponised' sex .... ?
-
Sledging is what we did snow hill street lights a plastic and an old metal sledge no pun. It's ok I've figured out I'm in sugar daddies apartment and he probably paid for her family holiday so he's being played and I'm being played for the British passport that he won't step up to. Obviously once she has the British passport I would guess retrain and divorce me if an upgrade comes along. Obviously I've pieced this together from more than a phone call. she just left for the gym looking 18 not 38.
-
How does it feel to have a sugar daddy? Nice of him to put you up, maybe you should see if you can score a trip to Turkey. :D
Cut your losses, spend some time in Kyiv or even visit another city. Odessa may be nice without the tourists.
-
Sledging is what we did snow hill street lights a plastic and an old metal sledge no pun. It's ok I've figured out I'm in sugar daddies apartment and he probably paid for her family holiday so he's being played and I'm being played for the British passport that he won't step up to. Obviously once she has the British passport I would guess retrain and divorce me if an upgrade comes along. Obviously I've pieced this together from more than a phone call. she just left for the gym looking 18 not 38.
Hmm. A week ago she is the best thing since sliced bread - sweet, loving, affectionate, warm, caring and devoted. Now she's a two-timing hussy playing you and the other guy. One extreme to the next. I'm not sure your analysis of her are all that accurate
Obviously once you committed to her she would drop the other guy or pretend to, not counter with "I don't want to be exclusive", if she is just after your passport.
Obviously she has invited you to her home, showered you with hospitality, and you just trash talk her here on the board.
Obviously you suspect everything and anything after a 3 months on-line relationship with 6 weeks of face time that you treat like a done deal with just some paperwork before you import your MOB.
Yes, cut your losses, be a man, stop mooching off of her or her "sugar daddy", and find your own place in Sumy or Kyiv.
-
Sledging is what we did snow hill street lights a plastic and an old metal sledge no pun. It's ok I've figured out I'm in sugar daddies apartment and he probably paid for her family holiday so he's being played and I'm being played for the British passport that he won't step up to. Obviously once she has the British passport I would guess retrain and divorce me if an upgrade comes along. Obviously I've pieced this together from more than a phone call. she just left for the gym looking 18 not 38.
It seems you can’t get enough of that 18 year old looking body. Nuff said.....
-
Better to spend time in the gym that trolling most folks posts, eh ?
-
Better to spend time in the gym that trolling most folks posts, eh ?
Hark at thee.....
-
The fact that you are single probably means that you are doing stuff wrong but don't realise it. You say she was from another continent, do you know the dating culture there and culture in general? Or do you decide there's two people in the relationship but only one of those two people's idea of how a relationship runs is valid? You are still looking for a FSW but more importantly as you seem to indicate you have not picked up experience along the way.
People bang on here about my 'failures' dating in the FSU. I don't see it as that, I see it as learning experiences. Virtually every time I have learnt something new and to me valuable information that I can utilise when I (hopefully) meet the right woman.
The 'man' that would accept such a situation would be the one that understands common dating practice in the FSU. It's alien to us, we see it as weak and insincere. That we are being played for whatever by the woman. Well you can either play the game or lose out, don't hate the player hats the game as they say. You think Lyndon that by bulldozing the issue of the other guy into her she will fold and kick the other guy to the curb. 'That' is western dating morals and attitudes, that is the western dating game. I am telling you there is more chance of hell freezing over than that happening. FSW are as stubborn as the word stubborn defines, she will not do that. She doesn't understand western dating game and even if explained to her she won't understand. She sees that she is doing nothing untoward and no matter how many times it is explained to her she won't. It is pointless bringing it up it will just cause arguments that will damage the relationship. The only way is for Lyndon to accept that he's efforts to date do not grant him any special status in the FSU. If he wants this woman for anything more than sex he is going to have to commit to her. At the moment he is just another playmate, that is the way out there. If you don't get with thd game Lyndon you'll unlikely get far with many FSW.
Now I know the game it doesn't bother me. I would rather know what the game is and how to win at it than not be in the game at all or not see the game as worth playing as in the west.
I respect the fact that you're trying to unpick me to make yourself look like you know what you're talking about. Others will I'm sure dismantle your wisdom so I don't need to stoop to that level.
Simple fact is it doesn't matter which continent that are from, you don't understand women, period. I am almost half your age, have twice your brains (I won't even go near the subject of money) and a million times more dating experience than you. You continue to demonstrate your clueless, no need to point it out further.
-
Well back on topic of this thread I think you can sure get some strange dating situations in Ukraine. I know what it's like as you can be there thinking all sorts of strange stuff trying to make sense of the situation, I've been there. The girl I was with back in 2017 was like this, during that first week I was with her in Kiev I was thinking all sorts trying to make sense of the situation. Most I cared not to share on here at the time as I didn't think many of the guys interjections would help, be off target and probably just wind me up still further. It was probably for the best at the time. I later learned that some of my fears were actually unfounded. Even still it was a pretty strange dating situation at the time. I knew from the first girl I met though that it's not always straight forward but even still my mind was jumping around all over the place.
I don't really know if the other guy here is a sugar daddy funding her lifestyle. Some girls manage tO swing that in Ukraine - sometimes in the format of a sponsor - not meaning to add to James's anguish. She may have just saved the money herself or she may have got it from him. I'm always skeptical of where the money comes from with Ukrainian girls so it could explain it. Even of it does she probably doesn't relate to it in the stark terms James thinks off. I find Ukrainian women don't tend to have a conceptual sort of mind but one where things are as they are without much thought input into it all. So I'm not sure whether she would see it as the other guys the sugar daddy funding it etc as James thinks. I can see how he it there as again it's a western way of thinking/teeming the situation. I'm still thinking that she just thinks this more as an open situation where whatever happens and wishes to consider both guys.
-
I respect the fact that you're trying to unpick me to make yourself look like you know what you're talking about. Others will I'm sure dismantle your wisdom so I don't need to stoop to that level.
Simple fact is it doesn't matter which continent that are from, you don't understand women, period. I am almost half your age, have twice your brains (I won't even go near the subject of money) and a million times more dating experience than you. You continue to demonstrate your clueless, no need to point it out further.
You're in your early twenties? ???
If so then you will be lacking in the experience an older guy like me has in growing up in society that had changed over time and experience at being able to see what is really going on in society and relationships.
Yeah, I know in you're early to mid twenties you think - 'this girl is into me because I'm all that' - unfortunately I can tell you there is usually a lot more to it than that even if you wish to not think it. Lyndon you want to think that you can remain in the comfort of taking your dating game several thousand miles away to another country and are secure I your belief that it will all be the same. 'You know your game and how things work' well guess what that is not even close to the mark of how things work in Ukraine. The same dating game cannot be transposed from the UK and work there however much you think it can. It's time to let go of your security blanket and get over there, start from ground zero and work out what really is going on.
-
You're in your early twenties? ???
If so then you will be lacking in the experience an older guy like me has in growing up in society that had changed over time and experience at being able to see what is really going on in society and relationships.
Yeah, I know in you're early to mid twenties you think - 'this girl is into me because I'm all that' - unfortunately I can tell you there is usually a lot more to it than that even if you wish to not think it. Lyndon you want to think that you can remain in the comfort of taking your dating game several thousand miles away to another country and are secure I your belief that it will all be the same. 'You know your game and how things work' well guess what that is not even close to the mark of how things work in Ukraine. The same dating game cannot be transposed from the UK and work there however much you think it can. It's time to let go of your security blanket and get over there, start from ground zero and work out what really is going on.
How many trips have you had to Ukraine and how many actual dates? How many actual 'relationships' (not the girl you accused of being your sugar baby)? And yet you know more than me and most members here... :deadhorse:
I said 'almost' half your age...irrespective, you can't even get a date in the UK so I wouldn't bother taking your 'expertise' to FSU, or trying to sell it to me. And no, people here in UK don't think things are exclusive after a first date. More Trench bollocks from all of his dating experience...time to get out of the basement mate.
-
Off topic but a work Colleague in the UK who is a scruge doesn't want to spend money on women so he salsa dances well and gives lifts home to women whose husbands aren't interested in going to salsa despite being asked multiple times. So while he watches tv and drinks beer she dances and has a ride on the back seat of a car on the way home. He has had countless wives this way. I personally have been offered 7 affairs which I refused telling the woman imagine a hand grenade going off in your kitchen when your husband finds out.
-
Off topic but a work Colleague in the UK who is a scruge doesn't want to spend money on women so he salsa dances well and gives lifts home to women whose husbands aren't interested in going to salsa despite being asked multiple times. So while he watches tv and drinks beer she dances and has a ride on the back seat of a car on the way home. He has had countless wives this way. I personally have been offered 7 affairs which I refused telling the woman imagine a hand grenade going off in your kitchen when your husband finds out.
Personally, I've never seen any excitement in it. There are enough attractive, single girls anywhere (yes, even here in the UK) to not need to be with someone else's woman. Simply not worth the hassle and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. At least I can keep my conscience clean. If a marriage or family falls apart, it doesn't need to be something I contributed to and if the lady is prepared to cheat on her husband, she's not particularly someone I'd feel empathy for.
-
As trench predicted this g f I'm with just doesn't get that she can't be sitting with me texting hearts to another UK guy. And she's trying to turn it on me. Even a big parking dent at the gym was because I raised the subject of the other guy. So I'm as trench would say on a learning exercise. Only hope the o g does not read this forum.
-
As trench predicted this g f I'm with just doesn't get that she can't be sitting with me texting hearts to another UK guy. And she's trying to turn it on me. Even a big parking dent at the gym was because I raised the subject of the other guy. So I'm as trench would say on a learning exercise. Only hope the o g does not read this forum.
So...simple question? What the heck are you still doing there? Trench didn't predict anything, other than he'd be sat there pretending nothing was wrong. Go to Kiev, go to Sumy, go to Kharkov. Stop being a wuss and salvage what you have left of your trip.
-
James, you said you were 'sledging in the lift.'
So nothing to do with sledding in snow.
There is usually not any snow in an elevator.
That's what I don't understand.
-
Lyndon totally agree. Think I'll relocate to kiev and work it out from there. Unless you have a better suggestion. No pun all dirty clothes in washing machine for a clean get away
-
We sledged in snow outside. In elevator up to apartment I joked about hearts in texts
-
We sledged in snow outside. In elevator up to apartment I joked about hearts in texts
So that’s the some total of your conversation about the future or not of your relationship with this woman?
Man up and tell her straight instead of slinking away with your tail between your legs.
Oh, and stop giving oxygen to Trench who thinks his wordy posts convince anyone he knows which end his arse is.
-
Of course not John multiple conversations but it just poisons the air. I'm being very calm and polite about this as it's the third time this has happened to me. With wife of 21 years I went off like a bomb. With 3 year relationship I went off like a grenade. This time more like a gentle interview.
-
Off topic but a work Colleague in the UK who is a scruge doesn't want to spend money on women so he salsa dances well and gives lifts home to women whose husbands aren't interested in going to salsa despite being asked multiple times. So while he watches tv and drinks beer she dances and has a ride on the back seat of a car on the way home. He has had countless wives this way. I personally have been offered 7 affairs which I refused telling the woman imagine a hand grenade going off in your kitchen when your husband finds out.
James,
you seem to have major trust issues
Your scrooge friend is probably full of it ...
I've done Salsa and his type is SO predictable ...
-
Salsa I can never do that false step . Too much building and lifting hips too seized.
-
Of course not John multiple conversations but it just poisons the air. I'm being very calm and polite about this as it's the third time this has happened to me. With wife of 21 years I went off like a bomb. With 3 year relationship I went off like a grenade. This time more like a gentle interview.
Then even more so, it begs the question as to why you’re still there and what your motives are?
-
Then even more so, it begs the question as to why you’re still there and what your motives are?
Give him chance, he's getting his washing done!! ;D
-
Give him chance, he's getting his washing done!! ;D
Yeah, they probably need a good wash after all that bexercise.....
-
FFS guys
This is James' experience and I'd rather read his experiences without your collective 'helpful comments' .....
Most of us crave company ...
-
FFS guys
This is James' experience and I'd rather read his experiences without your collective 'helpful comments' .....
Most of us crave company ...
Crave company? Are you suggesting he stay in a miserable situation because there's at least a woman by his side?
-
FFS guys
This is James' experience and I'd rather read his experiences without your collective 'helpful comments' .....
Most of us crave company ...
Bog off Moby, you’re the biggest polluter of threads going.
-
Chill guys she had a conversation with o g from the bedroom while I'm in kitchen. Alarm set for 6 am . Nice early start for kiev.
-
Chill guys she had a conversation with o g from the bedroom while I'm in kitchen. Alarm set for 6 am . Nice early start for kiev.
Have you told her yet or is that something for the morning as well, after you get your leg over tonight?
-
How many ? How many ?
Oh I see your one of these 'how many' guys. The type of guy that gets with a load of mingers and doesn't care because it racks up his 'how many' total so he can big himself up to other guys who of course will not have tge visual of a monger in their head when you tell them of your 'how many' exploits.
Lyndon, I've never bothered with 'how many' it's never interested me just to use it to big myself up to others. For me it has always been quality not quantity. I have my standards and I don't drop them in order to just go for anyone, that's just not me. If I don't get what I want I don't bother. A minger would never do it for me so it's pointless, in fact I would find it degrading to be with one. So no I'm not one for impressing the lads with the 'Ive had so many' so 'I'm all that' but 'I'm not going to tell you lot they were as ugly as sin'. No I wish to spend my time where it counts which is going after top quality women I am actually attracted to. If I don't get that many it doesn't bother be as much as wasting my time chasing low quality women in the UK or elsewhere, I am happy to leave that up to you :)
-
Oh I see your one of these 'how many' guys. The type of guy that gets with a load of mingers and doesn't care because it racks up his 'how many' total so he can big himself up to other guys who of course will not have tge visual of a monger in their head when you tell them of your 'how many' exploits.
Lyndon, I've never bothered with 'how many' it's never interested me just to use it to big myself up to others. For me it has always been quality not quantity. I have my standards and I don't drop them in order to just go for anyone, that's just not me. If I don't get what I want I don't bother. A minger would never do it for me so it's pointless, in fact I would find it degrading to be with one. So no I'm not one for impressing the lads with the 'Ive had so many' so 'I'm all that' but 'I'm not going to tell you lot they were as ugly as sin'. No I wish to spend my time where it counts which is going after top quality women I am actually attracted to. If I don't get that many it doesn't bother be as much as wasting my time chasing low quality women in the UK or elsewhere, I am happy to leave that up to you :)
Haha, classic. Now trying to tell us I date mingers and you never date because you're highly selective. Probably going to hand out advice for dating in other continents you've never even been to next.
The question of 'how many' wasn't asked to start a bragging contest; it was to emphasise that you have ZERO basis to be handing out dating or marriage advice to anyone. I'm not worried about me, so neither should you be. You might want to be more concerned with your own 'game' and non-existent social skills.
-
Bog off Moby, you’re the biggest polluter of threads going.
When it comes to TRs - I believe even I can rein myself in - you might like to try it .....
Let's not have another of your I bust bollox nonsense diversions, please ?
Crave company? Are you suggesting he stay in a miserable situation because there's at least a woman by his side?
No, I'm simply answering your question about why James gets back on the horse after his previous experiences .....
-
When it comes to TRs - I believe even I can rein myself in - .....
I’ll believe that when I see it......
Let's not have another of your I bust bollox nonsense diversions, please ?
The Queens English pls.
-
So James, what have you learned from this?
You didn't know this woman well, yet were already moving to marriage - not that it can't work, but it's a long shot with individuals who have been married previously. With FSUW who are divorced, you really need to ask why they are divorced, and watch their behaviours closely.
The better half says about 70% of Ukrainians are exactly like this woman. So, when you are extolling the virtues of single mothers, who for the most part, have difficult lives in Ukraine, you have to ask yourself a lot of questions.
The other issue with single mothers is whether the fathers will grant permission for their children to leave. It has been an issue even for men on this forum, even with UM not involved in the child's life.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
James,
A friend of mine had a terrible time trying to find a sincere woman in Ukraine..and he dated over a hundred.
He did bring one back to the UK,but when she was visiting her mother in Ukraine she cheated on him with a Ukrainian guy.
After years of trying he finally switched his attention to Colombia and Dominican republic and he's happily married to a girl from Colombia..and they now have a son.He does speak Spanish very well,which helped of course.
May be a good option for you...and for Trench too.
-
James,
A friend of mine had a terrible time trying to find a sincere woman in Ukraine..and he dated over a hundred.
He did bring one back to the UK,but when she was visiting her mother in Ukraine she cheated on him with a Ukrainian guy.
After years of trying he finally switched his attention to Colombia and Dominican republic and he's happily married to a girl from Colombia..and they now have a son.He does speak Spanish very well,which helped of course.
May be a good option for you...and for Trench too.
Unless fluent in Spanish, not a chance. Better Thailand or the Philippines. I mean that with all good intentions; a Colombian woman would eat Trench alive, more so than a FSU one. With his personality, he needs someone more subservient.
-
I don't think women, in general, are subservient. Certainly FSUW aren't. I've known a number of Filipina women, and they strike me as gentle in their approach, but they clearly ruled in the family.
I believe James posted he does speak Spanish.
fathertime's wife is Colombian, so he may be someone to ask, and this forum's sister site is devoted primarily to women from South America.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
I don't think women, in general, are subservient. Certainly FSUW aren't. I've known a number of Filipina women, and they strike me as gentle in their approach, but they clearly ruled in the family.
I believe James posted he does speak Spanish.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
What I mean by that Boe is that Filipinas are, in general, much tamer than their Latina or FSU counterparts. Subservient probably isn't the right word, but I've been in the Philippines a lot and in general relationships - especially between an older man and younger woman - are very much more low maintenance, less conversational, less heated and much more easy going. They are still attentive and as you say they may rule the family, but do so in a much gentler way.
Like FSU women, Latinas can be fiery and stubborn and that can bring it's own difficulties and doesn't make for plain sailing, especially if someone is looking for an easy life.
-
I speak fluent English French. Pigeon Italian Spanish Russian.
-
English Philippinas working In n h s boss their Philippine husbands about
-
The impression I got of the women in Belarus is that there is less messing about than Ukrainian girls. Russian women are probably similar. Ukraine I think has had a lot of influence from the MOB, Scammer & sex tourist crowd in addition to it being a generally corrupt/laid back government/society. Belarus on the other hand took a different course to Ukraine and it's autocratic government/police state does at least help to keep out a lot of the shenanigans that go on in Ukraine.
Some guys on here have come up trumps with Ukrainian girls. I do kind of like their soft tarty ways. I also think that aside from the ones that are dodgy there is a dating culture that makes many of them look dodgy to WM and our dating ethics when they probably aren't.
-
After years of trying he finally switched his attention to Colombia and Dominican republic . . .
They don't cheat on you; but they will cut you !!
-
Trench tend to agree until recently belarus was off tourist map due to visas
-
Pigeon Italian Spanish Russian.
Coo, coo - unless it's pidgin ;D?
-
So, did he stay or did he go
Does anyone know
-
The answer is limbo. I was invited by a lonely single mother to spend Christmas holidays. I now know more than I did about the situation. The situation is obviously completely turned on its head. Like many Ukrainian women she's looking for a way out of the financial mess of the Ukraine. I can see she realises sugar daddy will never come up with the UK passport so she went looking for another way to get a UK passport. Once you understand ground zero it's easier to just get on with life and enjoy the company of a woman. As to my plan after I get back to UK I will have to think. Luckily my grandmother was Belarusian so I understand that they like a rock like man to make them feel calm as their emotions go through them. Let's face it me finding out about other guy made her crash her car solo just the idea of me knowing
-
So you complained about her being duplicitous, when you are just as duplicitous. In a way, your behaviour is even worse, because you are using her poverty and desperation to your advantage.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
The answer is limbo. I was invited by a lonely single mother to spend Christmas holidays. I now know more than I did about the situation. The situation is obviously completely turned on its head. Like many Ukrainian women she's looking for a way out of the financial mess of the Ukraine. I can see she realises sugar daddy will never come up with the UK passport so she went looking for another way to get a UK passport. Once you understand ground zero it's easier to just get on with life and enjoy the company of a woman. As to my plan after I get back to UK I will have to think. Luckily my grandmother was Belarusian so I understand that they like a rock like man to make them feel calm as their emotions go through them. Let's face it me finding out about other guy made her crash her car solo just the idea of me knowing
Riiiiight
Let’s paint a clear picture.
You’ve known this woman since October this year. Since then you’ve been on 3 holidays together. Presumably you didn’t have to wait too long before getting between the sheets with her.
You’ve spent Christmas with her, helping around the house, babysitting her kid.
There’s been talk of marriage and moving her to the UK.
Then a few days ago you find out, by design or by accident, that she’s continuing corresponding with another bloke whom she’s been sexually intimate with.
You eventually confront her in a jokey manner about this and get told that your relationship isn’t exclusive.
Did I miss anything?
Now you say that you have to be her rock while she calms her emotions down?????
HAHAHAHA
Are you a glutton for punishment? Do you really want to bend over and be her visa mule?
It must have been an extra special night with all those ‘emotions’ in fore play
Gordon Bennett!!
-
The answer is limbo. I was invited by a lonely single mother to spend Christmas holidays. I now know more than I did about the situation. The situation is obviously completely turned on its head. Like many Ukrainian women she's looking for a way out of the financial mess of the Ukraine. I can see she realises sugar daddy will never come up with the UK passport so she went looking for another way to get a UK passport. Once you understand ground zero it's easier to just get on with life and enjoy the company of a woman. As to my plan after I get back to UK I will have to think. Luckily my grandmother was Belarusian so I understand that they like a rock like man to make them feel calm as their emotions go through them. Let's face it me finding out about other guy made her crash her car solo just the idea of me knowing
Why would she want to look for a way out if, as you stated earlier, she is living in Sugar Daddy's apartment and going on vacations with other guys with Sugar Daddy's money? Seems like a sweet deal.
So you are...sugar baby baby? Sugar grand-baby?
-
Because she wants to earn her own salary in the UK. Sugar daddies don't last forever. In fact most men you don't create a child with don't last for ever. As I said I'm not looking for praise I'm reporting a real life event that may happen to others.
-
As to my role I guess I'm what ever can be squeezed out of me company, baby sitter ,holiday companion , waiting for sugar daddy to fly you to where he is holidaying gets boring I guess. Likewise watching an absolute babe walk about an apartment in crop top and tiny shorts doesn't get boring. Sorry us brits are not all about moms Apple pie
-
Of course I'm not going to be her visa mule. Shows the importance of a visit to her home turf
-
No I know to be a rock and not get emotionally played
-
So why are you still there?
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Because it seems like a good way to spend the week
-
As I said I'm not looking for praise I'm reporting a real life event that may happen to others.
Hmm, 'praise' is not the adjective many others have suggested for your status - some seem to delight in telling you that ....;)
I've been in similar situation to you in that I let my little brain rule.
You've learnt another lesson and you've got to imagine life without her early morning visits ..
If you feel the 'other guy' is a competitor move on ... if you feel you can be a family tell her that and make it happen
-
Because it seems like a good way to spend the week
You're perhaps being a mite disingenuous with yourself, now .... Doesn't matter what we think ... If you are the sort who does sex without true feelings, you're probably not kidding yourself ...
-
The impression I got of the women in Belarus is that there is less messing about than Ukrainian girls.
They also have less cases of bad breath, nicer breasts, give significantly more
frequent blow jobs and have more multiple orgasms. In addition they produce
healthier offspring and they prefer Cubic zirconia to diamonds. Culturally they
enjoy working two jobs and don't like to be sent to expensive schools.
They are especially well known for their lack of messing about when compared
to Ukrainian girls which are totally different despite their close geographical
proximity. Another well known trait is that they prefer socially inept men
who are frugal and have low end jobs that don't produce sufficient income
to even be thinking about Eastern European girls
-
Because it seems like a good way to spend the week
Who’s the player now?
I think we can safely assume James is making full use of the ‘facilities’ before hitting the escape button.
-
They also have less cases of bad breath, nicer breasts, give significantly more
frequent blow jobs and have more multiple orgasms. In addition they produce
healthier offspring and they prefer Cubic zirconia to diamonds. Culturally they
enjoy working two jobs and don't like to be sent to expensive schools.
They are especially well known for their lack of messing about when compared
to Ukrainian girls which are totally different despite their close geographical
proximity. Another well known trait is that they prefer socially inept men
who are frugal and have low end jobs that don't produce sufficient income
to even be thinking about Eastern European girls
:clapping:
-
Who’s the player now?
I think we can safely assume James is making full use of the ‘facilities’ before hitting the escape button.
Look, JG
One can only guess why you are offering constant 'constructive criticism' given your inabilities to communicate with FSU W you know ( very well ) ...
Give it a rest .. there's a good chap
-
Because it seems like a good way to spend the week
Does she know you have no intention of bringing her to the U.K.?
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Look, JG
One can only guess why you are offering constant 'constructive criticism' given our inabilities to communicate with FSU W you know ...
Eh? What language is this?
Give it a rest .. there's a good chap
I thought you were ignoring me but here you are...again.
-
Of course I'm not going to be her visa mule. Shows the importance of a visit to her home turf
???
I thought you were in bliss at her home turf. Until snooping chat log on the unlocked phone, which could have happened in Cyprus or where-ever you vacationed.
-
Boethius you like your snap judgements. I prefer to think things through. As you suspected g f reaction was I quote what shall I tell him if we are married I will tell him and not contact him again. Versus original story I had a long relationship that ended summer 2018.
-
What is there to think through?
1. She is being supported, financially, by another man.
2. She sought another relationship while still continuing to be financially supported by that man. Presumably, in her heart filled communications with him, she hasn’t told him about you.
3. When she learns you discovered her ruse, she uses alternate excuses until one that lands with you works.
4. You stay on, despite proclaiming you have no intention of marrying her, something I suspect you haven’t told her.
I don’t have a penis (though I do have very liberal access to one), and therefore, think clearly with one head. But I am not known for snap judgments.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
-
Boethius you like your snap judgements. I prefer to think things through. As you suspected g f reaction was I quote what shall I tell him if we are married I will tell him and not contact him again. Versus original story I had a long relationship that ended summer 2018.
James,
I find Boethius is annoyingly analytical and normally correct...
The reason you are getting such 'trolling comments' from certain members is that you ain't doing yourself any favours with statements that clearly conflict with your actions ((
I appreciate you didn't have all the data - but if you think things through - you may have fallen for this gal - hard - only for her situation to not have been all you thought it was ..
Mate, having sex with a beautiful lady that you'll never see again leaves most folks sadder than ever ... it will 'DO your head in' ..well it would mine )))
IF she's going to come to the UK you'll have to feel it's to be with you as the main motive - not to use you to jump a hurdle
You clearly go 'boom in the sack' so try to work through the trust issues .. Who cares what others think?
From what you posted before this lady had you doing back-flips and you wanted the world to know ... nothing wrong with that
Apart form certain members on here - dating is the easy part ..... sharing time together in day to day life .... THAT's the hard part
You've just got to decide if you trust her
-
What is there to think through?
1. She is being supported, financially, by another man.
2. She sought another relationship while still continuing to be financially supported by that man. Presumably, in her heart filled communications with him, she hasn’t told him about you.
3. When she learns you discovered her ruse, she uses alternate excuses until one that lands with you works.
4. You stay on, despite proclaiming you have no intention of marrying her, something I suspect you haven’t told her.
I don’t have a penis (though I do have very liberal access to one), and therefore, think clearly with one head. But I am not known for snap judgments.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
Couldn't have put it any better, and I do (arguably) have a penis.
-
James,
I find Boethius is annoyingly analytical and normally correct...
The reason you are getting such 'trolling comments' from certain members is that you ain't doing yourself any favours with statements that clearly conflict with your actions ((
Most people are trying to give him constructive advice and not 'trolling' anyone, whether or not you agree with the perspective of others or not. He's a big boy and he can live his life as he pleases. Personally I wouldn't stay in this situation but this has quickly turned into a car crash of James' own doing, lacking in respect for both himself and his other half for different reasons.
I don't mind your comments in other threads but other board members might say that people in glass houses...
-
Most people are trying to give him constructive advice and not 'trolling' anyone, whether or not you agree with the perspective of others or not. He's a big boy and he can live his life as he pleases. Personally I wouldn't stay in this situation but this has quickly turned into a car crash of James' own doing, lacking in respect for both himself and his other half for different reasons.
I don't mind your comments in other threads but other board members might say that people in glass houses...
Did you feel my post was 'aimed' at you ? ;)
-
Did you feel my post was 'aimed' at you ? ;)
Possibly, probably, couldn't care either way. The argument remains the same, irrespective of whether you feel some have been hard on him because he's getting his leg over.
-
Most people are trying to give him constructive advice and not 'trolling' anyone, whether or not you agree with the perspective of others or not. He's a big boy and he can live his life as he pleases. Personally I wouldn't stay in this situation but this has quickly turned into a car crash of James' own doing, lacking in respect for both himself and his other half for different reasons.
I don't mind your comments in other threads but other board members might say that people in glass houses...
Lyndontom, the member you are responding to, you may well know is well known across various fora for his trolling. Every thread you can think of is littered with his argumentative junk. He has been banned, moderated, banned again, is still on moderation at another place.
Yet he still thinks he’s ‘Da Man’.
-
. . . he's getting his leg over.
What's this 'leg over?'
If both his legs are over, quite a difficult position.
How about leg(s) under and leg(s) between ?
-
Cyprus egypt first time in ukraine I was put through the entire karma sutra 3 times a day . This time cobwebs are collecting. On a brighter note g f cooked a 12 dish feast today . Gf and son have gone to collect granny and off to church. I was told not to come because church will be too crowded.