Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
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I copied this from another thread so that it wouldn't get buried.
They are not "more feminine". They dress differently, because the competition for men is different. I call it flower/bee.
Every man who has come here moaning about Western "feminists", and their existence is the reason why he is "forced" to look abroad, has ended up divorced.
I'm not going to moan about Western feminists but I'll have to disagree with you
regarding more feminine. My wife has long hair and there isn't a 40+ woman that
I know of in the USA that doesn't have a typical lesbian hair style. You talked about
flower bee and I totally agree with you there.
I am expected to kill any bug, spider or crawly thing, open doors, carry anything that
isn't weightless (except for her purse). That does NOT mean that she is powerless or
doesn't have an opinion or is some sort of fictional 1950's Maryanne Cunningham or
June Cleaver.
Hmmmmm.............
I could go on and on but maybe I should start a new thread as this thread is
where things go to die. [edit to add that's why I started this thread]
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What is the definition of feminine?
Note: I checked the Oxford dictionary to make sure that it was the
same as the American dictionary.
fem·i·nine
/ˈfemənən/Submit
adjective
1.
having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.
"a feminine frilled blouse"
synonyms: womanly, womanlike, ladylike, girlish, female; soft, delicate, gentle, tender, graceful, refined, modest; informal girly; archaic feminal
"a very feminine young woman"
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This subject much too complicated to achieve anything other than hundreds of diverse opinions.
I agree mostly that FSUW are more feminine than WW; but I also agree with Boe that this is mostly due to supply/demand competition factors . . . .
and, very importantly, those very same FSUW can/might change as their situation changes.
The very best situation for a man is if he is able to be with a woman who is extremely competent at both (1) being feminine when the circumstance calls for it and (2) being something different when another circumstance calls for it.
For instance, my spouse can do the most manly of things outdoors and completely outwork me in garden, yard and even working with timber in preparing firewood . . .
plus, she can quickly transform into an absolute sex kitten or high society matron as needed.
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I will say that younger Western women tend to act more feminine that
older women do. 16 year old Western girls are every bit as feminine as
their counterparts in the FSU.
Somewhere along the way as Western women age they get progressively
less and less feminine in how they dress, cut their hair, take care of their
nails etc. I think Boe's flower bee analogy is an excellent example of that.
I know of maybe 3 Western women who do 20% of the things that Angel
Eyes does. Her beauty routines, her household routines, her attitudes and
her expectations.
Angel Eyes has masks and treatments for her hair, feet, hands, nails, skin,
and a dozen other things that she does that 40+ Western women do twice
or thrice per year.
If the zombie apocalypse were to happen, Angel Eyes will keep my alive through
it. Her gardening and canning, her knitting, crocheting, sewing, needle point and,
other abilities and skills.
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I agree mostly that FSUW are more feminine than WW; but I also agree with Boe that this is mostly due to supply/demand competition factors . . . .
Can she pull out a needle and thread and repair your sports coat when you
accidentally tear a pocket or seam?
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plus, she can quickly transform into an absolute sex kitten or high society matron
as needed.
Yeah the same with Angel Eyes, I'm a lucky (and happy guy).
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The reason women over 40 typically have short hair is because long hair ages features. [Traditionally, FSUW wore, and wear, their long hair pulled back, not loose around their faces. Long hair is actually easier to style/take care of than is short hair. Women with small faces also should wear shorter hair. Their features get lost with long hair.
Most of the women I see have long, fake, fingernails, usually acrylic. These are very hard on nail beds, weakening them, and can cause disease such as fungus.
Most AW do wear make up. The average woman spends a little over $300 a month on beauty products.
I reject your definition of femininity, though. Femininity is about inner qualities, such as subtley and empathy, not what a woman looks like.
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The reason women over 40 typiaclly have short hair is because long hair ages features. Traditionally, FSUW wore, and wear, their long hair pulled back, not loose around their faces. Long hair is actually easier to style/take care of than is short hair. Women with small faces also should wear shorter hair. Their features get lost with long hair.
Most of the women I see have long, fake, fingernails, usually acrylic. These are very hard on nail beds, weakening them, and can cause disease such as fungus.
Most AW do wear make up. The average woman spends a little over $300 a month on beauty products.
I reject your definition of femininity, though. Femininity is about inner qualities, such as subtley and empathy, not what a woman looks like.
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Absolutely loathe short hair on women, it's fine for old age pensioners as women at that age are passed being attractive anyway. All other women should have long hair. Best is when a woman has long hair all the way down to her bum. Nothing looks better or more impressive than a woman with masses of hair :) Think about a female Peacock with its feathers in full plume, same with a girl.
Men can see enough of a girl's features with long they really don't care about if a girl's face is slightly covered with long hair, trust me they would 'much' prefer the long hair on a girl. Long hair is very attractive to a guy and just screams femininity on a visual rather than verbal front. There really is no valid reason in a man's mind for a woman to go with the lesbian crop, it looks hideous to a guy which is why I assume most lesbians end up going for it as it puts men off. Straight women unfortunately go for it also and it makes them look a right state. Unfortunately theur female friends can often be heard telling them how wonderful it looks while the man is quietly sat their thing 'it looks sh*t'. Really, the very shortest a girl should have her hair to look at all decent and feminine is shoulder length, it not as good as real long hair but it's passable in a man's world.
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Absolutely loathe short hair on women, it's fine for old age pensioners as women at that age are passed being attractive anyway.
I am certain pensioners the world over, are breathing a sigh of relief at being granted permission by you to wear their hair as they wish, as they are no longer attractive to you.
Men can see enough of a girl's features with long they really don't care about if a girl's face is slightly covered with long hair, trust me they would 'much' prefer the long hair on a girl. Long hair is very attractive to a guy and just screams femininity on a visual rather than verbal front. There really is no valid reason in a man's mind for a woman to go with the lesbian crop, it looks hideous to a guy which is why I assume most lesbians end up going for it as it puts men off. Straight women unfortunately go for it also and it makes them look a right state. Unfortunately theur female friends can often be heard telling them how wonderful it looks while the man is quietly sat their thing 'it looks sh*t'. Really, the very shortest a girl should have her hair to look at all decent and feminine is shoulder length, it not as good as real long hair but it's passable in a man's world.
The problem with this is, women do not exist solely for your visual pleasure. They have lives, dreams, aspirations, desires, separate and apart from you.
Let's turn this around.
Women can see enough of a man's (note - I didn't use the silly "girl", You are a man of 40. Are you looking for a teen?) features. They really don't care about if a man is physically attractive, trust me they would 'much' prefer a multi million dollar portfolio on a man. Loads of money is very attractive to a woman and that level of self made success just screams masculinity on every front. There really is no valid reason in a woman's mind for a man to be less than a real man and to go with a poverty level portfolio, it looks hideous to a woman. Most men, unfortunately go for the lower levels of income and assets, making excuses such as they want more free time, they don't want to work and pay taxes, rather than putting their noses to the grindstone and earning a paltry few million. Unfortunately many of their male friends can often be heard telling them how they are making the right decision in not pursing wealth, while the woman quietly sits by thinking what a loser the guy is. Really, the very least amount of liquid assets a man should have to appear decent and masculine is $1.5 millions, it’s not as good as a multi million dollar portfolio but it's passable to a woman.
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More Trench demonstrating why he is NEVER going to fulfil his dream.
:popcorn:
My experience of FSU W in their fifties is that they have long hair and still look good.
My sample is my wife to be, my now ex wife...just learnt I am officially divorced and several other ladies Ifrom my past..
All have long hair...not short..
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More Trench demonstrating why he is NEVER going to fulfil his dream.
:popcorn:
My experience of FSU W in their fifties is that they have long hair and still look good.
My sample is my wife to be, my now ex wife...just learnt I am officially divorced and several other ladies Ifrom my past..
All have long hair...not short..
We were saying that western women tend to cut their hair short, particularly as they get older, say even twenties onwards. Yes we all know that FSW tend to keep their hair long, that is precisely the point, more visually feminine. There are always those women that don't follow this genaeralisation but we are talking about the majority of women here obviously.
Good, glad you are divorced you are obviously a bugger to be with ;D
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For instance, my spouse can do the most manly of things outdoors and completely outwork me in garden, yard and even working with timber in preparing firewood . . .
plus, she can quickly transform into an absolute sex kitten or high society matron as needed.
Smokes! That's an impressive amount of versatility!
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Interesting topic, and it brings back a memory of one of my first 'serious' discussions with my FSU wife 25 years ago. She lamented the burden on Russian Women at those difficult times. Culturally FSU women had a different reaction to equal rights. To my Lady, it meant she had to excel in all areas she was equal in. She had to be beautiful, classy, a good mother, a good wife etc....This differed from the Beautiful women I dated in the USA in the years before I went to the FSU. Beautiful American Women, at least the ones I dated (2 multi year relationships), were very one dimensional. Since these 2 WW excelled in looks, there was not a cultural drive to excel in any other feminine role unless it was HER CHOICE. For different reasons, neither was marriage material, but both were sexy and feminine but not classy and sophisticated. And I think that's a key difference, class and sophistication of the FSUW
As mentioned here, the FSUW internal drive to excel can even flow over to traditional male roles in the USA. I don't think my Lady let me fix anything in 23 years of marriage. And if there was a major project, she would wait for her father to visit. And these ladies don't do mediocre work, its only top notch. Ya know, I took some slacks to the tailor to repair a pocket a couple weeks back. When I received them, the stitching looked horrible. When I asked about this, the tailor replied'who cares, its on the inside' (and Im thinkin)My Lady would never do this job, if she sewed it, it was better than new
So to Trench, I would say you cant say feminism is the root of all WW woes, there are benefits to the superficial man. If not for it, we all would have married our High School Sweethearts and been culturally mandated to stay with them. My HS Sweetheart gained 50 pounds after having her first child. (Not with me, she married a friend of mine)
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the FSUW internal drive to excel
There is no "universal" FSUW "drive to excel". Some women have that drive, others do not. Just like anywhere else in the world.
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Let's turn this around.
Women can see enough of a man's (note - I didn't use the silly "girl", You are a man of 40. Are you looking for a teen?) features. They really don't care about if a man is physically attractive, trust me they would 'much' prefer a multi million dollar portfolio on a man. Loads of money is very attractive to a woman and that level of self made success just screams masculinity on every front. There really is no valid reason in a woman's mind for a man to be less than a real man and to go with a poverty level portfolio, it looks hideous to a woman. Most men, unfortunately go for the lower levels of income and assets, making excuses such as they want more free time, they don't want to work and pay taxes, rather than putting their noses to the grindstone and earning a paltry few million. Unfortunately many of their male friends can often be heard telling them how they are making the right decision in not pursing wealth, while the woman quietly sits by thinking what a loser the guy is. Really, the very least amount of liquid assets a man should have to appear decent and masculine if $1.5 millions, it not as good as a multi million dollar portfolio but it's passable to a woman.
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This made my day! Boethius, you are amazing!
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Long hair is actually easier to style/take care of than is short hair.
Women with small faces also should wear shorter hair. Their features
get lost with long hair.
99% of women look better with long hair.
I reject your definition of femininity, though. Femininity is about inner qualities, such as
subtley and empathy, not what a woman looks like.
You are mischaracterizing my definition of femininity, but yes we disagree on the
definition.
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99% of women look better with long hair.
That’s an opinion, not a fact. I see loads of women, usually over 50, with long hair that doesn’t suit them. Lifeless, thinning, dragging their features down.
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We were saying that western women tend to cut their hair short, particularly as they get older, say even twenties onwards. Yes we all know that FSW tend to keep their hair long, that is precisely the point, more visually feminine. There are always those women that don't follow this genaeralisation but we are talking about the majority of women here obviously.
'we' were at odds with Boethius... Your opinions are worthless..based on your failed exploits..
Good, glad you are divorced you are obviously a bugger to be with ;D
I am glad to be divorced..So I can marry SC
My dear Ma has also tried to warn SC that I can be difficult ..and she should know. ))
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I am certain pensioners the world over, are breathing a sigh of relief at being granted permission by you to wear their hair as they wish, as they are no longer attractive to you.
The problem with this is, women do not exist solely for your visual pleasure. They have lives, dreams, aspirations, desires, separate and apart from you.
Let's turn this around.
Women can see enough of a man's (note - I didn't use the silly "girl", You are a man of 40. Are you looking for a teen?) features. They really don't care about if a man is physically attractive, trust me they would 'much' prefer a multi million dollar portfolio on a man. Loads of money is very attractive to a woman and that level of self made success just screams masculinity on every front. There really is no valid reason in a woman's mind for a man to be less than a real man and to go with a poverty level portfolio, it looks hideous to a woman. Most men, unfortunately go for the lower levels of income and assets, making excuses such as they want more free time, they don't want to work and pay taxes, rather than putting their noses to the grindstone and earning a paltry few million. Unfortunately many of their male friends can often be heard telling them how they are making the right decision in not pursing wealth, while the woman quietly sits by thinking what a loser the guy is. Really, the very least amount of liquid assets a man should have to appear decent and masculine is $1.5 millions, it’s not as good as a multi million dollar portfolio but it's passable to a woman.
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I can see that I've upset you Boe but if you were just to try on a mini skirt and grow your hair long you'd be be surprised what it can do for a girl like you ;)
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I reject your definition of femininity, though. Femininity is about inner qualities, such as subtley and empathy, not what a woman looks like.
Agree. Masculinity is also about inner qualities, such as adventurous and strength. Yet, women can excel at the same qualities.
The last few decades have been interesting for women, compelling a reexamination of past concepts for women. I embrace how the lines have blurred.
Even though stereotypes really don't work any more, I offer a few comments on what I see as differences between AW and RW.
The many RW I have met as dates or as friends in the US all derived much pleasure in dressing up. While many AW also relish dressing up (or otherwise there would be no Neiman Marcus stores), AW tend to be more casual.
Oddly, the income disparity between AW and RW is such as to suggest the contrary. I recall almost 20 years ago of meeting RW for dates, and most wore fine, dressy clothes. They maybe only had one or two outfits, yet the quality was good other than being a little worn. Does it mean an inner difference? No the casual AW can be just as feminine as the dressed up RW.
If softness and tenderness are feminine qualities, one can be confused by the fact that RW have a strong determination, and they decide quickly. Maybe this trait derived as a defensive mechanism given the challenges specific to the FSU. The US is a more protected environment, and hence one can be more relaxed. Yet, turn out the lights and go to bed with someone who is into you, the differences IMO disappear.
People look at history and remark how RW dug trenches in WW II. This was necessary because their homeland had been invaded, yet I assert AW would have done the same. AW did "man" the factories. A good AW or RW will roll up her sleeves and work, if necessary. And the complaints are about the same.
Mothering is another measure of femininity. I do give credit to single mothers in the FSU for giving their all to raise a child with no societal help. Wrong! RW do have perhaps the best resource any single mom would need - the secret weapon...... the child's babushka.
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I can see that I've upset you Boe but if you were just to try on a mini skirt and grow your hair long you'd be be surprised what it can do for a girl like you ;)
You upset ME..with your 'humour'..
I expect what Boethius has done in her 1st, 2nd and third decades of marriage is something the likes of you (and me) who has not managed past a decade...can only dream about.....
'We' would do well to listen......
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You upset ME..with your 'humour'..
I expect what Boethius has done in her 1st, 2nd and third decades of marriage is something the likes of you (and me) who has not managed past a decade...can only dream about.....
'We' would do well to listen......
You're still upset about your cat after all this time ::) You could have always got it stuffed :D
Now Boethius does of course have a better track record than either of us but then things are easier for women. Rarely is it a man's choice to finish a relationship but instead it's often a woman's.
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LOL. Riiight. Poor, poor oppressed WM.
You know nothing of the life of women, including mine, and you know even less about relationships, so best not to opine until you have had both in your life for a decade or more.
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LOL. Riiight. Poor, poor oppressed WM.
You know nothing of the life of women, including mine, and you know even less about relationships, so best not to opine until you have had both in your life for a decade or more.
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Boethius, I would rather have been born a WW than A WM. As a WW I would have all the power in dating in the west if not merely because I could get pregnant. On top of that the more prettier I am the more options I would have off WM. If such then I would not have to bother much with going after a partner they would come to me, I would be able stand back and pick and choose as a pretty WW and sick it to WM who are not fortunate enough to have been born a WW. Yes I know I would have to put up with small discomforts such as a bit of blood coming out at each monthly period etc but it is a small price to pay to avoid the misery if being a WM in the West and having to above and beyond to even get a date with a woman. Think about it.
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Sure, that is why women spend on average, an hour getting ready in the morning, spend thousands on grooming products, clothing, etc. Plus, they have the advantage of a short shelf life.
Were it so easy for women, there wouldn't be millions of them on dating websites across the world.
Your attitudes display your ingrained misogyny yet again. This is why, ultimately, you will not be successful, unless you change your attitude.
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Sure, that is why women spend on average, an hour getting ready in the morning, spend thousands on grooming products, clothing, etc. Plus, they have the advantage of a short shelf life.
Were it so easy for women, there wouldn't be millions of them on dating websites across the world.
Your attitudes display your ingrained misogyny yet again. This is why, ultimately, you will not be successful, unless you change your attitude.
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Could you define what you mean by the 'short shelf life' of a woman vs a man? Last stats I saw, women live longer than men. If you were a man, I might think that was an argument from a misogynist .
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It is a biological reality, for the most part. I am referring to first marriages, assuming for life, not couples who are seeking second partners after a divorce and no desire to raise a family.
1. Women have only a certain number of years to get pregnant and have children.
2. Men generally seek women younger than they are, as evidenced here, often by decades. A woman over 35, or even a little younger, will have a far more difficult time finding a suitable man than will a man of the same age.
That's not misogynistic, it's the reality of the dating market. Of course there will be exceptions, but that's what they are - exceptions.
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Sure, that is why women spend on average, an hour getting ready in the morning, spend thousands on grooming products, clothing, etc. Plus, they have the advantage of a short shelf life.
Were it so easy for women, there wouldn't be millions of them on dating websites across the world.
Your attitudes display your ingrained misogyny yet again. This is why, ultimately, you will not be successful, unless you change your attitude.
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They may have a shorter shelf life but most women get plenty of offers from men during that shelf life as they have a womb and can give birth. Most men want kids so women get snapped up. Even the fat and ugly women get some of the action. In the UK we're so desperate for women, many men will take anything with a womb doesn't matter how ugly, fat, demented, bad character traits, numerous mental health problems, etc If it has a womb it's a goer. I'm not like that though, I want a girl I'm really into and not for being a hot model either.
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Trench----"Absolutely loathe short hair on women, it's fine for old age pensioners as women at that age are passed being attractive anyway."
I am certain pensioners the world over, are breathing a sigh of relief at being granted permission by you to wear their hair as they wish, as they are no longer attractive to you.
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Boethius, I would rather have been born a WW than A WM.
You can make that happen! A number of men have been unhappy (or did not identify) with their birth genitals.
Snip snip, let you hair grow long, implants, hair removal, hormones.... think about all the attention you would receive. It would preempt any desire for a trip to Ukraine.
If you do not want surgery, keep your wiener and just dress the part as in the fine British film Crying Game. You know what men want, so go for it.
When completed, please post photos.
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You can make that happen! A number of men have been unhappy (or did not identify) with their birth genitals.
Snip snip, let you hair grow long, implants, hair removal, hormones.... think about all the attention you would receive. It would preempt any desire for a trip to Ukraine.
If you do not want surgery, keep your wiener and just dress the part as in the fine British film Crying Game. You know what men want, so go for it.
When completed, please post photos.
Afraid it would be the real deal for me or not at all, I'm not wanting to look a freak which is what all of those trannies look. Even the odd few that do look female are just weird freak below the clothing. All that op stuff is just messing a person up to something they will never truely be. Those lot just kid themselves that they look/are the part which is the saddest thing. Nope I'll just have to suffer the deal I was dealt with and do all I can with whatever I can do.
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You're still upset about your cat after all this time ::) You could have always got it stuffed :D[
To the point that it's owner and I contemplated duping you into thinking she fancied you..getting you to visit ..thinking you had scored...and we would have had you stuffed....yes.....
Boethius does of course have a better track record than either of us but then things are easier for women. Rarely is it a man's choice to finish a relationship but instead it's often a woman's.
What?
Another Trench, classic?!
You are priceless entertainment
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You can make that happen! A number of men have been unhappy (or did not identify) with their birth genitals.
Snip snip, let you hair grow long, implants, hair removal, hormones.... think about all the attention you would receive. It would preempt any desire for a trip to Ukraine.
If you do not want surgery, keep your wiener and just dress the part as in the fine British film Crying Game. You know what men want, so go for it.
When completed, please post photos.
:ROFL:
The trend among a lot of transitioners these days is to keep the penis. Then they are outraged when lesbians refuse to date them.
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Sure, that is why women spend on average, an hour getting ready in the morning, s
Trench is a guy, done deal. This thread needs to get back on topic
We found that that one hour of getting ready can have other uses. My Lady in her 20s didn't use that much time, but in her 30s and 40s , yes an hour or more. But I think she enjoyed it. Some advice, we remodeled and made the nursery part of the Master Bathroom with a makeup area and a sitting area. I would read newspaper articles to her, and we would chat about local and world events. It was really neat. I highly recommend remodeling the Master Bathrooms to best fit the needed extra time. Not only was it good bonding time for us, but a heavenly experience for me watching a supermodel prepare herself
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I would never want my husband to talk to me while I'm getting ready in the morning.
It's not just make up, incidentally. My make up takes about ten minutes. My hair, which needs to be dried and styled daily, is what takes the bulk of my preparation time.
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I would never want my husband to talk to me while I'm getting ready in the morning.
It's not just make up, incidentally. My make up takes about ten minutes. My hair, which needs to be dried and styled daily, is what takes the bulk of my preparation time.
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After 2078 posts to strange men hunting for women in the FSU for sex and marriage, maybe you ought to give your husband a shot at talking to you when you are primping in the morning?
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I type over 100 wpm, so posting here is not particularly time consuming.
My husband and I spend a minimum of 4 hours together every day, a little more on weekends. We usually go for a 2 hour walk every day and that's when we talk. He did not grow up in a typical Soviet family, and he would find sitting in a bathroom, even a luxurious one, to talk rather bizarre. Plus, there's not much talking to be done when a blow dryer is running at full blast.
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Well now, this IS very pertinent to our discussion:
http://www.returnofkings.com/71115/35-pretty-girls-who-became-fat-and-ugly
From Boe's favourite authors, Roosh no less. Personally I concur with Roosh, number 12 is the most upsetting, a compete transformation to a he-she, truely awful viewing :(
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Sure, that is why women spend on average, an hour getting ready in the morning, spend thousands on grooming products, clothing, etc.
My Ochka is an exception. She is virtually always ready to go out the door before me, with only a 5-10 minute notice/decision.
Even for a full dress formal occasion, it takes her no more than 10 minutes on makeup and hair (this is after hair has been washed).
One big factor is probably that she does not ever use any foundation (I think that is the word), but only does some dusting (or some such) with a soft brush dipped in powdery type stuff, light work on lashes and brows, lipstick usually in car. And her skin is far from naturally perfect.
And I would bet she/we have spent less than $200 on makeup items in the nearly 8 years she has been here in USA.
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I think that figure is for all toiletries - make up, shampoos, deodorants, skin care products, perfumes.
I don't spend that much on all of the above items either.
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Well now, this IS very pertinent to our discussion:
http://www.returnofkings.com/71115/35-pretty-girls-who-became-fat-and-ugly (http://www.returnofkings.com/71115/35-pretty-girls-who-became-fat-and-ugly)
From Boe's favourite authors, Roosh no less. Personally I concur with Roosh, number 12 is the most upsetting, a compete transformation to a he-she, truely awful viewing :(
I haven't bothered with the link, as I'm not interested in the opinions of a 40 year old man child living in his mother's basement.
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the Roosh forum has a special topic on Ukraine.
There are some real knowers and many dirty or uninteresting posts also.
The problem is that Roosh kicks a lot of posters, for no understable reason often, generally the most interesting guys.
So you will find there some interesting informations sometimes but you have to sort it out.
The last trend brings to the light is the competition getting fierce for men in the big cities (Kiev especially but also Kharkov, and we should add Odessa and Lviv) and some think to go in second class cities.
Girls start to show super ego syndrom (US - european disease).
I myself had few messages with a Kiev girl on Badoo recently and her tone was nasty.
She seemed entitled to have the super princess treatment while being already 42 and not a 9 (but at least a 7+ or a 8 based on the photos, however a little fat considering her weight).
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And I would bet she/we have spent less than $200 on makeup items in the nearly 8 years she has been here in USA.
Pardon me? I don't believe it. Repeat, I don't believe it. Are you sure she has Slavic blood?
I guess you do not track her expenditures, or haven't looked at prices in the past few years. I also do not track the Cossack Woman's expenditures. Yet I have experience of occasionally walking with her in fine malls (meaning I pay), and invariably she stops at the glitzy cosmetic counters of the high end stores. We do not dally, as she knows what she wants, and buys quickly. Suffice it to say, my credit card "cash back" tally increases significantly.
I don't care. This is not a budget item worth the effort of debating. I would lose, and besides, the cosmetics make her feel happy.
She is close with her 30-yo daughter, and the two spend much time together artistically applying cosmetics they purchase on the internet, where I assume lower prices can be found.
Both are careful shoppers; its the quantity of purchases that is overwhelming. Amazon makes an average of three deliveries per week. And that excludes the USPS deliveries. Her response, "It was on sale, and I have saved you so much money."
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And I would bet she/we have spent less than $200 on makeup items in the nearly 8 years she has been here in USA.
Pardon me? I don't believe it. Repeat, I don't believe it. Are you sure she has Slavic blood?
I guess you do not track her expenditures, or haven't looked at prices in the past few years.
Well believe it or not as you wish; but it is absolutely true.
She has her own credit card, but rarely uses it and even then, I am the one who pays off all the credit cards (and in fact all bills of any type), so I know what she spends and on what although I don't call this tracking, it is only matching up the paper slips with the monthly bill. I have never ever voiced any disapproval or questioning why she bought anything.
And, in fact, it has been myself that has been with her and insisted that she buy whatever she wanted when we were looking at cosmetics, and such went on my credit card, as does probably 95% of our expenditures. Anything nice I buy for her (clothes, etc), I have to remove price tags before she sees as she will complain that the items cost too much.
She is 100% pure Ukrainian both sides for at least 3 generations back.
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More helpful info regarding financial matters:
1) Both Capital One and Chase have credit cards paying one and one half percentage points back in cash.
2) I have never ever paid one dime in credit card interest my entire life; that is, just use credit card for convenience and pay 100% off each billing cycle. If you know you won't be able to pay off 100% of credit card each month . . . then don't buy the item!
3) I have had medical doctors (even well established ones) as clients who were paying 18% or more on JCPenney credit cards. Unbelievable financial stupidity and irresponsibility knows no bounds.
4) Capital One has (or at least had) promotion wherein they paid $1,000 bonus (after only 60 days) for new money ($150,000) coming into a savings account and currently paying 2.25% on the savings accounts.
5) HSBC is currently offering $750 bonus (after 90 days I think) for $100,000 coming in and paying also around 2.25%.
6) Some CDs are now paying above 3%, but usually have to tie your money up for 12 months to get the highest rates.
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the Roosh forum has a special topic on Ukraine.
There are some real knowers and many dirty or uninteresting posts also.
The problem is that Roosh kicks a lot of posters, for no understable reason often, generally the most interesting guys.
So you will find there some interesting informations sometimes but you have to sort it out.
The last trend brings to the light is the competition getting fierce for men in the big cities (Kiev especially but also Kharkov, and we should add Odessa and Lviv) and some think to go in second class cities.
Girls start to show super ego syndrom (US - european disease).
I myself had few messages with a Kiev girl on Badoo recently and her tone was nasty.
She seemed entitled to have the super princess treatment while being already 42 and not a 9 (but at least a 7+ or a 8 based on the photos, however a little fat considering her weight).
Yeah, I read a bit of the forum but not had the time to delve too deep into it.
Definitely know what you mean with the girls, not all of them of course. Have found the odd few Minsk girls with a bit of attitude. Also more girls seem to specify more nearer to their ages than used to I think. I think it's probably as more men look to eastern Europe for women. Word spreads how much better they are than WW. Also as more WW either shun WM or just make themselves too unsuitable a lot of WM have no other option. Women competing against men in the workplace because of feminism is destroying our society. I think as well as forms of communication get easier it's easier for WM to get involved and make the journey. The smaller lesser well known provincial cities of the FSU are definitely the way to go I think. Taking the edge of any negatives is also a good idea I think as well, so working out a bit, etc all a good idea.
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Well believe it or not as you wish; but it is absolutely true.
I take your word for it.
I bet my wife spends more than that on just the cleansers - face, eyes, et al. She does save our used coffee grounds for some type of facial scrub. She will not show me the techniques, perhaps fearing I would take the grounds for myself.
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Ah, just read the Roosh forum on Ukraine, one of the threads is blaming the visa free regime to the EU Schengen areas that Ukrainian girls with bio passports can now get. Also the start up of low cost flights by Ryanair as another potential problem. Now not wishing to make this a brexit thread but if we leave next week or soon under no deal it could go a long way to reverse this problem. The EU are running up a big debt and it could be the start of the end for them. The UK will no longer be contributing so other countries will be asked to contribute more, that won't be taken well. Main thing is that many east Europeans, Poles in particular are likely to return home or at least be shut off from going to the UK if they are not already residing in the UK - now THAT'S a big bonus! :) Most of the immigration from Poland is to the UK.
Now that may make it more likely that polish girls will appear on the International Dating circuit. Most likely though there will be a big kick back from Poles in Poland over Ukrainian workers and hence all Ukrainians, even those purporting to be just travelling. So there may be a reversal soon in not just Ukraine but also in Eastern Europe, particularly if there EU funding is reduced. Till then I wouldn't bother too much with Kiev but the poorer provincial areas where the competition is not as great.
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Ah, just read the Roosh forum on Ukraine, one of the threads is blaming the visa free regime to the EU Schengen areas that Ukrainian girls with bio passports can now get. Also the start up of low cost flights by Ryanair as another potential problem.
And that's a potential problem because . . . .?
You have to compete on your personality? On who you are, rather than being an escape from poverty, and then always looking behind your back for the guy that will "steal" her from you?
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Post war 1945 in UK women were force fed anti feminine propaganda to make up for a shortage of workers so instead of looking after their families they started to delegate their home work to others and compete with men. Now 4 or 5 generations later the mind set has stuck. Ask any Ukrainian woman what they think to the UK woman's way of life and she would be appalled. I've now been to 4 Ukrainian family houses and the dynamics are so much more feminine than your average butch British housewife.
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You obviously never visited the USSR. There was even a phrase that recognized this -
я корова я и бык
я и баба и мужик
Societies don't change that significantly in less than three decades.
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You obviously never visited the USSR. There was even a phrase that recognized this -
я корова я и бык
я и баба и мужик
Societies don't change that significantly in less than three decades.
When I worked with the UN, the generally accepted guideline was two generations for cultural change, i. e. 40 years. The Shah tried to Westernize Iran in less time and failed.
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Some CDs are now paying above 3%, but usually have to tie your money up for 12 months to get the highest rates.
I have a couple over 3 but they are six year CDs. I use Bankrate.com to compare. Do you have a better source?
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You obviously never visited the USSR. There was even a phrase that recognized this -
я корова я и бык
я и баба и мужик
Societies don't change that significantly in less than three decades.
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Or more succinctly they could have just said:
Я-он-она ;D
To be honest I think the dynamic was different. There was no real drive to 'liberate' as in the west but instead a robustness/butchness if you like at the time to muck in with the men even perhaps in some cases take charge in certain types of positions as the demands of Soviet policies and economics deemed necessary.
As such I believe there has never been a desire to be liberated from the oppression of men in the USSR and since nor to compete against them. I think as you have pointed out in the past Boe that the extermination of virtually the whole of the upper classes during the period of the USSR has left a society that is all working class. As such FSU society functions differently to most other societies the world over. The nearest example obviously being China, North Korea and Vietnam. France is probably the only other example as under Napoleon but even then many but not all of the upper classes were wiped out. Even so France today has a lot different feel to England, Germany, etc. The yellow vest movement being the most recent example of a strongly rooted working class society.
The good news for us WM is that the feminism that took hold in much of the west (doesn't seem too bad in France) is not likely to roar it's ugly head in FSU society since working class people seem to have little desire for it. Even in the UK if you were to visit any social housing area the women don't seem to be that bothered about careers etc as they know their lot is not going to be that great. Though of course so I'll housing/council estate girls don't often tend to be that pretty and are often quite course with many negative characteristics, fatties, heavy smokers, anti social behaviour, etc.
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As ever, when Trench uses the words, 'I think', he simply proves he doesn't..
This is a bored, lonely, security guard seeking attention and failing to assimilate advice from someone far better qualified...
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I have a couple over 3 but they are six year CDs. I use Bankrate.com to compare. Do you have a better source?
I had seen the 3% for 12 month CD at a small local bank. I thought it was widespread, but looking at bankrate I see that 12 month CD's generally max out at 2.7 - 2.8.
Sallie Mae is paying 3% on 2 year CDs. 7 others pay 2.95 and above for 2 years.
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Or more succinctly they could have just said:
Я-он-она
Setting aside the bad Russian, you missed the point completely.
To be honest I think the dynamic was different. There was no real drive to 'liberate' as in the west but instead a robustness/butchness if you like at the time to muck in with the men even perhaps in some cases take charge in certain types of positions as the demands of Soviet policies and economics deemed necessary.
FSUW were "liberated" in the 1920's. Unlike in the West, it was complete there. Equal pay, equal opportunity. There was no "butchness".
It's obvious you know virtually nothing of Soviet history, or the way the society developed. So making pronouncements which do not conform to anything other than your lunatic stream of consciousness is less than useful.
As such I believe there has never been a desire to be liberated from the oppression of men in the USSR and since nor to compete against them. I think as you have pointed out in the past Boe that the extermination of virtually the whole of the upper classes during the period of the USSR has left a society that is all working class. As such FSU society functions differently to most other societies the world over. The nearest example obviously being China, North Korea and Vietnam. France is probably the only other example as under Napoleon but even then many but not all of the upper classes were wiped out. Even so France today has a lot different feel to England, Germany, etc.
The good news for us WM is that the feminism that took hold in much of the west (doesn't seem too bad in France) is not likely to roar it's ugly head in FSU society since working class people seem to have little desire for it.
Which means the role of women is different. It is, in many ways, a more feminist society. You can see it in their universities, in the role of women in family life, in the role of women in custody disputes, in the role of women in the workforce, etc. That you can be so easily manipulated into believing something that doesn't exist should give you pause.
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Boethius I think you have been affected by this propaganda. Where do you live Canada? Yet you post as if you live in Ukraine. You are negative to Ukraine society yet I find it the average Ukrainian far more likeable and honourable than the average UK citizen.
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UK women laugh with each other and take pride in putting their man under the thumb. Slavic woman laugh with each other about their man's antics in bed. Totally different mind set. Boethius I believe your man is in the kitchen you are playing on the computer not a typical Slavic relationship
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Ah, just read the Roosh forum on Ukraine, one of the threads is blaming the visa free regime to the EU Schengen areas that Ukrainian girls with bio passports can now get. Also the start up of low cost flights by Ryanair as another potential problem. Now not wishing to make this a brexit thread but if we leave next week or soon under no deal it could go a long way to reverse this problem. The EU are running up a big debt and it could be the start of the end for them. The UK will no longer be contributing so other countries will be asked to contribute more, that won't be taken well. Main thing is that many east Europeans, Poles in particular are likely to return home or at least be shut off from going to the UK if they are not already residing in the UK - now THAT'S a big bonus! :) Most of the immigration from Poland is to the UK.
Now that may make it more likely that polish girls will appear on the International Dating circuit. Most likely though there will be a big kick back from Poles in Poland over Ukrainian workers and hence all Ukrainians, even those purporting to be just travelling. So there may be a reversal soon in not just Ukraine but also in Eastern Europe, particularly if there EU funding is reduced. Till then I wouldn't bother too much with Kiev but the poorer provincial areas where the competition is not as great.
There is an obvious appetite for Russian, Ukrainian, chinese people to travel.
The no visa for ukrainian people helps them a lot.
The consequence IMHO is that the dating market broadens for ukrainian girls. It has opened the gate and they can find some illegal jobs an land on EU. They can also use some special site where you welcome a traveller (when men do such thing with a young beauty the touristic aspect is secondary :ROFL: )
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UK women laugh with each other and take pride in putting their man under the thumb. Slavic woman laugh with each other about their man's antics in bed. Totally different mind set. Boethius I believe your man is in the kitchen you are playing on the computer not a typical Slavic relationship
I’m sorry but you haven’t the foggiest about what the mindset of a Slavic woman is.
It’s completely ludicrous to say that they discuss what happens in the bedroom. Absolute B*****ks.
For that matter, I don’t know any women in the UK who do as you say.
I think that it’s your inability to form lasting relationships with women that is the issue here and you seem to think that Slavic women hold the key to resolving that little problem.
The same goes for Trench, although his is rather more of a problem as he is completely unable to form relationships with women at all. Hardly surprising, given that his lack of money, ambition, mysoginistic attitudes and general tightfistedness as displayed here are not what one would equate with success in the dating world.
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I’m sorry but you haven’t the foggiest about what the mindset of a Slavic woman is.
It’s completely ludicrous to say that they discuss what happens in the bedroom. Absolute B*****ks.
Agree 100%
The RW I got to know are very proper, certainly private about what they say. In fact, they will express shock about RW who blabbed in social groups about stuff that should have been kept in secret, referring to them as bad women. And they avoid these women (as should Western men exploring marriage).
Such cheap women exist, so maybe JamesUK crossed paths with one of them. Everyone is different so YMMV.
I don't know this for sure yet I believe RW will confide almost anything with their best friend. And it is more about seeking advice rather than bragging or complaining. My wife is not close with her sister, and will reveal little to her. Yet when I see her with her best friend, their talks at times can be very serious, and the volume too low to hear even if I spoke Russian.
I think that it’s your inability to form lasting relationships with women that is the issue here and you seem to think that Slavic women hold the key to resolving that little problem.
The same goes for Trench, although his is rather more of a problem as he is completely unable to form relationships with women at all. Hardly surprising, given that his lack of money, ambition, mysoginistic attitudes and general tightfistedness as displayed here are not what one would equate with success in the dating world.
John, you need to post more. Newbies would benefit from your insight and straight talk.
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John needs to get out more...and you are kidding yourself, Gator..
Now well, SOME might say I kept ' bad company '...I used to spend Saturday afternoons on the beach in Cyprus.. with FSU women who thought I did not understand.
Those guys who think FSU women do not gossip about such things...
You need to learn their lingo...
These women were professional... But not in steady relationships.... Or rocky ones... Even my beloved ex V sought to tell SC I was below average in bedroom Olympics...
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Women tend to speak this way about men they don't respect. Same for WW.
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Many FSU gals told me quite a bit about their past sex experiences.
I remember two which were wildly different.
1) Was married for about 15 years and never had an orgasm, and never even really knew much about such (had never given herself an orgasm). Then with first boyfriend after divorce, finally had her first.
2) Discovered her clitoris (not that she knew what it was) while in bath tub when she was 3 years old or so, and enjoyed massaging it. First orgasm around age 8, and daily or more from that day forward. But yet, she held off sex with man until she was married at age 21.
I should note that many women seem to be very comfortable around me and tell me a lot of stuff.
An AW neighbor told me a few years back that she was disappointed that her husband wasn't interested in performing oral on her.
Other older gals (post-menopausal) have told me how they lost all interest in sex, and that it even seemed disgusting to think about, even as they had previously enjoyed.
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Women tend to speak this way about men they don't respect. Same for WW.
I agree it is not confined to FSU W and your assessment re respect....
In V's case she did not appreciate being chased to move the divorce on.. Whilst sad..I was no longer interested in delays / excuses If that meant losing 'respect'... a price worth paying.
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Many FSU gals told me quite a bit about their past sex experiences.
That's different. Such is a private conversation between a man and woman, after some sense of intimacy has developed. It is not a social gathering where all can hear.
I can top your accounts if X-rated were permissible.
Other older gals (post-menopausal) have told me how they lost all interest in sex, and that it even seemed disgusting to think about, even as they had previously enjoyed.
Some can be that way. Yet most just need some help, and you evidently declined to help them.
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I have a couple over 3 but they are six year CDs. I use Bankrate.com to compare.
Do you have a better source?
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Surely you could make one on topic post before talking about
interest rates?
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And that's a potential problem because . . . .?
You have to compete on your personality? On who you are, rather than being an escape from poverty, and then always looking behind your back for the guy that will "steal" her from you?
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There are realities include for most people, better to be honest with oneself rather than live in denial in a false reality.
There are guys that don't come out well in looks or personality or who average in one of them but excel in no one criteria, but live decently in a good country. Then there are girls who excel in looks or average out in them but have a nice personality or character traits but live in a bad country.
All a case of chance of good and bad luck in both cases I would say. No reason to berate one side or the other for not having good luck all the way in life I'lld say.
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Please give me a definition of a "bad" or "good" country, according to you, and according to FSU individuals.
Russian and Ukrainian papers are filled with stories about "good" Western countries, and why they would rather die in poverty in their own countries than live abroad.
Exploiting poor people for your own purposes is scandalous, and that mentality says a lot about you, none of it particularly positive.
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Please give me a definition of a "bad" or "good" country, according to you, and according to FSU individuals.
Russian and Ukrainian papers are filled with stories about "good" Western countries, and why they would rather die in poverty in their own countries than live abroad.
Exploiting poor people for your own purposes is scandalous, and that mentality says a lot about you, none of it particularly positive.
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Yes, you always think a girl should be entitled to have it her way and the guy shouldn't be entitled to have it his way.
When I talk about bad countries I'm talking about countries that are bad economically and have societal problems, so Ukraine being foremost in my mind then Belarus & Russia. So you tell me why in the papers over there they would rather due in poverty than go to good western countries? Interesting how many Ukrainians have skipped over the border into some of these western countries since the vise free regime was introduced.
I'm not scandalously exploiting poor women, it's a quid pro quo exchange with a woman I have natural chemistry of course. They get a decent life in a good country, I get a decent woman :)
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In a relationship there is no one way or another. Decisions are mutual. I know you don't understand that.
My point about Ukrainians was that they go abroad, are treated like dirt, and go back to Ukraine, saying "I'd rather live in poverty here than be treated like dirt abroad." No, they don't live in some backward sh*thole, as some here tend to believe. There are social problems in every country.
You assume some woman you have "liberated" from poverty, to live in poverty with you, will be grateful. Why would she be grateful? Because you've moved her from one impecunious circumstance to another? If what you are offering is money, what makes you believe she will stay with you when surrounded by men who can provide her more materially than do you? At least this time, you are being partly honest. You are not looking in Ukraine or Belarus because of "fat evil feminists". You are doing so because you believe you will get more "bang for your buck" in these countries. You can find a woman who, in your own country, would reject you. But remember, if a UW or Belarussian woman chooses you for money, she isn't going to stick around. This forum is littered with the posts of men who thought exactly as you did, up until the day their FSUW left them, either to live on their own, or because they found a man they wanted.
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Yes, you always think a girl should be entitled to have it her way and the guy shouldn't be entitled to have it his way.
Whatever happened to mutual self respect in a healthy relationship?
Of, I forget, you’ve never had a relationship so have no idea what that is.
When I talk about bad countries I'm talking about countries that are bad economically and have societal problems
You mean like the UK?
so Ukraine being foremost in my mind then Belarus & Russia. So you tell me why in the papers over there they would rather due in poverty than go to good western countries? Interesting how many Ukrainians have skipped over the border into some of these western countries since the vise free regime was introduced.
They are going for economic betterment and not for marital exploitation by the like of you.
I'm not scandalously exploiting poor women, it's a quid pro quo exchange with a woman I have natural chemistry of course. They get a decent life in a good country, I get a decent woman :)
Hardly a quid pro quid since you offer a sub standard lifestyle of enduring poverty and domestic abuse to any woman you manage to dupe into marrying you.
Boethius summed it up perfectly above.
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In a relationship there is no one way or another. Decisions are mutual. I know you don't understand that.
My point about Ukrainians was that they go abroad, are treated like dirt, and go back to Ukraine, saying "I'd rather live in poverty here than be treated like dirt abroad." No, they don't live in some backward sh*thole, as some here tend to believe. There are social problems in every country.
You assume some woman you have "liberated" from poverty, to live in poverty with you, will be grateful. Why would she be grateful? Because you've moved her from one impecunious circumstance to another? If what you are offering is money, what makes you believe she will stay with you when surrounded by men who can provide her more materially than do you? At least this time, you are being partly honest. You are not looking in Ukraine or Belarus because of "fat evil feminists". You are doing so because you believe you will get more "bang for your buck" in these countries. You can find a woman who, in your own country, would reject you. But remember, if a UW or Belarussian woman chooses you for money, she isn't going to stick around. This forum is littered with the posts of men who thought exactly as you did, up until the day their FSUW left them, either to live on their own, or because they found a man they wanted.
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I'm not looking to do this on the basis of money, I agree there are loads of cases on here where the girl either found another guy or just left the guy anyway. I am doing this on the basis of finding a girl I have natural chemistry with and be able to offer her a better lifestyle than in Ukraine, etc. By that I mean, nice restaurants to eat out, places to visit, beaches, holidays, even the occasional shopping trip. Now as you know I am no longer interested in the 8-10 model girls but those in the 5-7 looks category and I believe this to be achievable. A 5-7 girl will not have the expectations of a 8-10 girl and will likely as a generality be more towards lifestyle and wanting a happy family, kids etc. A 5-7 girl is not likely to be nearly as set upon in the UK as a 8-10 girl would be by other men. A 5-7 is again as a generality far more likely to be willing to settle. There are of course no guarantees but this is the best place to place my stakes I believe.
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Trench sadly this is not so . For some reason I do not understand 5 to 7 s are a lot more trouble than 8 to 10 s.
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For some reason I do not understand 5 to 7 s are a lot more trouble than 8 to 10 s.
Don't know for sure if this is true . . . and who really knows?
My sample size was very large, but 90% or so were fairly tightly grouped in 6-8 range (face wise)
and 8-9 (body wise). So I don't have a feel for 'trouble' comparisons with respect to larger spacing.
But, if true, one possibility comes to my mind . . . perhaps 5 to 7 have not been treated as well by men as have 8 to 10.
I don't know if this is true either. And if true . . . would it make the 8 to 10 less trouble to be with, or maybe more trouble to be with since they might (as result of good treatment) be more prone have a 'princess on pedestal' mindset.
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Not necessarily related to looks . . .
But my experience has been that the less educated and successful women were much less sure of themselves and, for instance, would be much more reluctant to come to my apartment; whereas the highly educated and successful gals would march right in after first date with no hesitation.
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I reject your definition of femininity, though. Femininity is about inner qualities, such as subtley and empathy, not what a woman looks like.
And I disagree. Femininity is about both things: Physical appearance and inner qualities/personality. And that's how dictionaries define it, and it's correct. As a point of contrast: A dyke, or VERY lesbian woman, does not look feminine at all. Because she's not. In this case, the outer appearance reflects the inner state accurately. That is usually the case. The way a woman looks reflects her personality/character/inner being. Same token, a very feminine woman (in character) will also always look feminine to the eye. Because she is. This regardless of if she's particularly beautiful or not. Although physical beauty of the feminine kind will make her look even more feminine to the eyes. Because there's a natural association between aesthetic, delicate beauty and femininity. This was deliberate design by the Creator.
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The last few decades have been interesting for women, compelling a reexamination of past concepts for women. I embrace how the lines have blurred.
Feminism and femininity are quite different things. I don't embrace the blurring of the lines. If you knew the real origin of feminism, you wouldn't like it. It's scary. And feminism, by design, is contrary to femininity, as it advises women to look and act as men. It is social engineering, of the most evil intent. This is why lesbians are the most ardent feminists. Would you say that lesbians are feminine? No, they're not. Bisexual babes can be very feminine (they play the role of the female, in a woman-woman relationship)... But lesbians can't be feminine, and they envy the natural manhood of men that they can't possibly have. Because of this, in places like Tweeter, lesbians often say that they hate men.
All the most famous authors of books on feminism are lesbians, and very ugly, unfeminine ones, at that. As they say, the type of (biological) female that no man would ever date!
The reason why WM look for Slavic woman is, precisely, to find women that have not been ruined by the fallacies/evil indoctrination of feminism. So, no, "blurring the lines" is NOT a good thing. Girls are girls. Period. A simple fact of human nature, as it (still) is. But if indoctrination takes place... I don't know what they become, but they're not girls anymore. They become some horrible hybrid creature. This is what the social engineers want. Please don't support their evil plans for peoplekind... They know that these forced changes can affect the genes of future generations... forever altering the being of humans, both male and female. See the terrible implications?
Someone else pointed out in this thread that young WW tend to be more feminine than their grown ups/adult/mature counterparts. This is correct. It's because the indoctrination has not taken place yet. The social engineers noticed the flaw in their plan, and corrected accordingly. So, now, indoctrination is meant to begin in early childhood, even from kindergarten on. This is why you now see drag queens (biological males pretending to be females) telling stories to the little kids, in schools and public libraries... And this is also why you'll see more and more lesbian and gay teachers at schools. It is an open attack on femininity (and masculinity, too), so no, I tell you, blurring the lines is NOT a good thing, not at all.
And to answer the question: Yes, FSUW woman are a lot more feminine! I think it's in their genes, too. This coupled with a (still) more traditional culture. Genes and culture go hand in hand, as culture can modify the genetic makeup, over time, as I already said. So, pray to God that the Slavic women will never change their essence!
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The last trend brings to the light is the competition getting fierce for men in the big cities (Kiev especially but also Kharkov, and we should add Odessa and Lviv) and some think to go in second class cities.
Girls start to show super ego syndrom (US - european disease).
I myself had few messages with a Kiev girl on Badoo recently and her tone was nasty.
She seemed entitled to have the super princess treatment while being already 42 and not a 9 (but at least a 7+ or a 8 based on the photos, however a little fat considering her weight).
Precisely what I'm talking about. This disease comes from social engineering, and the goal is to change the character of the Slavic woman forever. It scares me because there is some change already, so it's working.
I had many virtual girlfriends in vkontakte, some actually wanted to meet in person and come live in Canada. The reason it never happened is because of their chip on the shoulder. The sense of entitlement. They're Princesses, you see? They're too good for you (or me, for that matter)... And the younger girls are the worst cases of indoctrination. They fell easily. I lost count of how many lost souls there. So, it's a social pattern by now. They gave me a lot of grief, but at least my findings served as social anthropology investigation. But it looks bad for the future.
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And I disagree. Femininity is about both things: Physical appearance and inner qualities/personality. And that's how dictionaries define it, and it's correct. As a point of contrast: A dyke, or VERY lesbian woman, does not look feminine at all. Because she's not. In this case, the outer appearance reflects the inner state accurately. That is usually the case. The way a woman looks reflects her personality/character/inner being. Same token, a very feminine woman (in character) will also always look feminine to the eye. Because she is. This regardless of if she's particularly beautiful or not. Although physical beauty of the feminine kind will make her look even more feminine to the eyes. Because there's a natural association between aesthetic, delicate beauty and femininity. This was deliberate design by the Creator.
Q/ Have you BEEN to the FSU yet to make such 'assertions' .... ? ;) You do realise that on a grey, cold day you might wonder what all the fuss is about ?..
Observation : I can think of a few 'Dykes' that most men would be sad to learn play for the other side ....
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Q/ Have you BEEN to the FSU yet to make such 'assertions' .... ? ;) You do realise that on a grey, cold day you might wonder what all the fuss is about ?..
Observation : I can think of a few 'Dykes' that most men would be sad to learn play for the other side ....
Not yet.... But I can see a Russian woman cutting logs with an ax and still look feminine... Or I've seen female police officers in uniform, fierce expression on the face. But they manage to look very feminine.
A few dykes, yes... But I would think that a majority of dykes look very unfeminine... This from experience, after half a century of living.
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Not yet.... But I can see a Russian woman cutting logs with an ax and still look feminine... Or I've seen female police officers in uniform, fierce expression on the face. But they manage to look very feminine.
They are the ones the state wants you to see and think of .... ( I'm thinking Crimea's former Prosecutor General and now 'Russian' MP ) the reality is much more normal..
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Natalia_Poklonskaya_fan-art_by_Itachi_Kanade.jpg)
A few dykes, yes... But I would think that a majority of dykes look very unfeminine... This from experience, after half a century of living.
I realise this is subjective, but many 'Dykes' like femininity in their partner ... ))
I fear that you may be ( slightly ) a victim of internet marketing over reality ..
It will be interesting to read you impressions of Kyiv in August, though ... Even in my little village in England.. the flowers doth bloom such that I wonder where they dwell, in secret (?) , in winter ;)
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Not yet.... But I can see a Russian woman cutting logs with an ax and still look feminine...
Feminine women don't chop wood, that's a man's job.
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They are the ones the state wants you to see and think of .... ( I'm thinking Crimea's former Prosecutor General and now 'Russian' MP ) the reality is much more normal..
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Natalia_Poklonskaya_fan-art_by_Itachi_Kanade.jpg)
I realise this is subjective, but many 'Dykes' like femininity in their partner ... ))
I fear that you may be ( slightly ) a victim of internet marketing over reality ..
It will be interesting to read you impressions of Kyiv in August, though ... Even in my little village in England.. the flowers doth bloom such that I wonder where they dwell, in secret (?) , in winter ;)
I need to elaborate on this. I don't doubt that some lesbians look very feminine. But then if so, they are not dykes. Let's see a formal definition of dyke:
"A slang term to describe a lesbian woman whose appearance and mannerisms are not particularly feminine
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Thus, a pretty, delicate, feminine lesbian is not a dyke, by definition.
This can be illustrated with the one time couple of Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche. The latter can hardly be described as a dyke, because she's pretty, delicate and feminine. At heart, a female. But she's not attracted to men for reasons that are not part of her core being. But a dyke is unfeminine by nature and appearance.
I didn't mean to say that all lesbians are ugly.
And femininity is being and acting and looking like a female of the species.
This is the nature of womanhood: To be female. To be woman. Without this, our race would be extinct.
Hope we didn't wander too much out of topic.
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I need to elaborate on this. I don't doubt that some lesbians look very feminine. But then if so, they are not Sykes. Let's see a formal definition of dyke:
"A slang term to describe a lesbian woman whose appearance and mannerisms are not particularly feminine
"
Thus, a pretty, delicate, feminine lesbian is not a dyke, by definition.
How formal ? ...the Oxford or Cambridge versions state simply, "a lesbian and offensive" term ..
'Sorry' but I believe you are embellishing ;)
This can be illustrated with the one time couple of Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche. The latter can hardly be described as a dyke, because she's pretty, delicate and feminine. At heart, a female. But she's not attracted to men for reasons that are not part of her core being. But a dyke is unfeminine by nature and appearance.
I didn't mean to say that all lesbians are ugly.
Your 'example' are not an item ... ( one time - as you say ) Ellen DeGeneres' partner is Portia de Rossi - currently ..
(http://tinyurl.com/yytswqvu)
I fancied Anne Herche !
(http://1.fwcdn.pl/ph/01/80/180/279570.2.jpg)
Hope we didn't wander too much out if topic.
IF we do, our mod that isn't, Beel ( ;) ) will step in ! In the meantime - we'll have to disagree on what constitutes a 'Dyke' :barf: ( horrible expression )
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Feminine women don't chop wood, that's a man's job.
Are you.reinforcing my views, or bring sarcastic? :)
But, generally speaking you're absolutely right.
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How formal ? ...the Oxford or Cambridge versions state simply, "a lesbian and offensive" term ..
'Sorry' but I believe you are embellishing ;)
Your 'example' are not an item ... ( one time - as you say ) Ellen DeGeneres' partner is Portia de Rossi - currently ..
(http://tinyurl.com/yytswqvu)
I fancied Anne Herche !
(http://1.fwcdn.pl/ph/01/80/180/279570.2.jpg)
IF we do, our mod that isn't, Beel ( ;) ) will step in ! In the meantime - we'll have to disagree on what constitutes a 'Dyke' :barf: ( horrible expression )
I'm sure you can find several definitions. No need to embellish. People use 'dyke' in a derogatory manner.
Because an unfeminine woman is not pleasing to the eye. I think by my example you understood what I meant.
And I specified that they were a one time couple, so not anymore. But the pictures and videos of the two together survive, to illustrate my point.
Yeah Anne Heche is beautiful. The kind of lesbian men say about: What a waste! :)
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Hmm, I tried ... The word is highly toxic and it's definition ;)
We'll agree to differ.. )))
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when I was in Amsterdam
I stuck my finger in a dyke
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when I was in Amsterdam
I stuck my finger in a dyke
And what did she do?
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I realise this is subjective, but many 'Dykes' like femininity in their partner ... ))
Of course... Actually, all dykes (whose features are more masculine than feminine) want a feminine partner. The dyke plays the part of the Male (think Degeneres), while the softie female plays... well, her self (think Anne Heche)
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"And what did she do?"
stopped leaking...
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Of course... Actually, all dykes (whose features are more masculine than feminine) want a feminine partner. The dyke plays the part of the Male (think Degeneres), while the softie female plays... well, her self (think Anne Heche)
I do not think Ellen DeGeneres is 'butch'..
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The dyke plays the part of the Male (think Degeneres), while the softie female plays... well, her self (think Anne Heche)
And you know this from all your intimate relationships with lesbians?
That really is a simplistic, and retrograde "analysis" of relationships.
BTW, Anne Heche was married to a man for well over a decade, separating from him last year.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
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I agree with Moby about Ellen.
Years ago I attended a Gay Pride musical show. It was fun. DeGeneres is drop dead gorgeous compared to some lesbians I saw that night. Shocker!
My gay ex-BIL says gays are "afraid" of dykes.
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They are the ones the state wants you to see and think of .... ( I'm thinking Crimea's former Prosecutor General and now 'Russian' MP ) the reality is much more normal..
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Natalia_Poklonskaya_fan-art_by_Itachi_Kanade.jpg)
Your 'example' are not an item ... ( one time - as you say ) Ellen DeGeneres' partner is Portia de Rossi - currently ..
(http://tinyurl.com/yytswqvu)
To start - a fwiw -- Unless Ellen & Portia are back together -- I thought they split up some years ago ? Maybe together again -- maybe someone who follows womens gossip mags can confirm> Moby?
My 2nd fwiw -- I actually knew Portia De Rossi back in early career days before she moved to the US.
My 3rd fwiw -- the now Russian MP and former Crimean Prosecutor rose to prominence after the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014 .
In an earlier time I actually met her when she was doing to online dating thing etc. She was particularly memorable as one of the most difficult meetings I have ever had ! This was some years prior to the invasion and the changes in the political landscape . One of the things that finished in an "argument" was Crimean roads and there condition compared to the rest of Ukraine. Because of the history of the Russian base at Sevastopol the roads generally were good on the Crimea .
Before anything from the peanut gallery jumps out -- back in 2014 when she hit the news -I mentioned all this in chat to a few people who are still on the forum -- and I may even have commented in a thread somewhere about her.
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Dear JayH
I have no idea and less interest as to the status of celebs marriages and was only ever interested in your marital status to a FSU woman based on the veracity of your info on Ukraine and dating 'advice' ..
All I can say is roads in Crimea were awful pre '14 - including Sevastopol - but I do not doubt you tried to date women in their twenties
It is noted your failed date is married to someone much closer to her age and has a child, now ..
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Ahh Moby -- no wonder your "lady" thinks you are a little boy ! You are such a childish cretin. :cluebat:
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Ahh Moby -- no wonder your "lady" thinks you are a little boy ! You are such a childish cretin. :cluebat:
Ah, so JayH
I guess my disagreeing with the state of the roads upset you ? .. I know it couldn't be anything to do with your Vladimir Nabokov inspired complex
PS 'My boy' did not include the adjective 'little' - that was more JayH 'creativity'