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Title: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 16, 2011, 02:25:48 PM

I have spent lately more time and money than I should on a website called Anastasia.

I have heard strange stories. Some men have allegedly gone to Odessa to meet a girl whom they had been eagerly corresponding with. Then upon arrival he is told she is for some strange reason busy or unavailable. In fact a lot of girls he met online are "out of town", or he meets a girl however she is strangely cold. But then they do find one friendly girl, have a great time and possibly end up marrying. 

So there are a lot of conflicting opinions - is Anastasia a scam? Are the girls scammers? Or maybe it's very legitimate?

Here's my theory.

A lot of real, actual, single, young, beautiful, but very poor, girls join Anastasia and get free photos taken by the agency, free Internet access, etc. (The American men are of course paying for this with all the huge Anastasia fees.) These girls have basically decided, if need be, to have sex with a man completely unattractive to them in exchange for a visa to America. In essence this is straight prostitution, except that it's a little more respectable since there is a marriage ceremony involved, she can claim she loved him (a 20 year old blonde model in love with a bald, fat man older than her father - Lol), etc.

Anyway, when the guy finally does land in Odessa, most girls just chicken out. They can't do it - to put it bluntly to be raped repeatedly for months, and pretend to like it, in order to get to America. However some girls can handle it and go through with it, have sex with the guy and maybe convince him to marry her.

Any thoughts?? 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 16, 2011, 03:05:24 PM
Harry,
 
I have no experience with AnastasiaWeb women.  Too me the sham seemed obvious and I avoided  them.  On further research one sees several shams.  The archives are replete with such direct experiences.
 
Sham I - AW's  business model seems to be based on fees from men writing letters.  Thus AW has the incentive to churn fake correspondence to plant a fantasy in the minds of lonely men, who write more and more while believing the fantasy.
 
Sham II - Few men make the trip.  If they do, there begins the next step of the hoax.  The beautiful blond in the photo suddenly becomes ill  or shows for one quick date.  If she is a professional dater as well as window dressing, she will party with the man and trick him into buying some expensive gifts.  If she takes one look and runs, there are other professional daters.   BTW, there is no sound of sex.  Just the smell of a plastic credit card burning from overuse.
 
Sham III - A man meets a UW half his age and they have sex.  He falls in love during the one week visit.  He sends an allowance to her each month.  She gets cold feet just before the wedding. 
 
Sham IV - They marry. 
 
Of the four shams, Sham IV probably has the highest chance of being real.  In fact the odds  that anything is genuine increases from Sham I to Sham IV, albeit the offs of Sham IV are still low.
 
I say the odds are low yet some RWD members have married a woman from Anastasia.   Anything can happen.   
 
Prostitutes?  No.  Prostitutes work by the hour.   
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Faux Pas on December 16, 2011, 03:07:04 PM
Harry


So, we gather your trip to Lugansk and work and live like a rockstar didn't pan out for you huh? You were here months ago with an addiction to Anastasia. Didn't you learn anything then or were you open to learning? Are you open to learning now?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 16, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Faux Pas,
 
I admire your recall.  Remind me to never get into a memory contest with you.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Faux Pas on December 16, 2011, 03:23:30 PM
Gator you'd probably win.  ;D


I wonder if Harry is the gent he's describing
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jack on December 16, 2011, 03:28:19 PM

A lot of real, actual, single, young, beautiful, but very poor, girls join Anastasia and get free photos taken by the agency, free Internet access, etc.  These girls have basically decided, if need be, to have sex with a man completely unattractive to them in exchange for a visa to America. In essence this is straight prostitution, except that it's a little more respectable since there is a marriage ceremony involved, she can claim she loved him (a 20 year old blonde model in love with a bald, fat man older than her father - Lol),


NO!      This really happens?      :o


most girls just chicken out. They can't do it - to put it bluntly to be raped repeatedly for months, and pretend to like it, in order to get to America. However some girls can handle it and go through with it, have sex with the guy and maybe convince him to marry her.

Any thoughts??


Any thoughts??   It happens all the time.  There are so many men who do exactly what you have written.

Many of these men are much older.
Many of these men are overweight.
Many of these men have little social skills.
Many of these men are losers.
Many of these men marry the first and only Russian woman
who had sex with them. Must be love.
Many of the men you have described marry from there first and
only trip.

Any thoughts Harrydubois?   What you have described happens everyday.
Sad, but true.   It will always happen.  It's  non-stop. 



Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Daveman on December 16, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
...
Prostitutes?  No.  Prostitutes work by the hour.


... and they're not paid to stay...  8)
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: tfcrew on December 16, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
  Didn't you learn anything then or were you open to learning? Are you open to learning now?
Was going to move to Ukraine and become an  English teacher I believe.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: JR on December 16, 2011, 11:37:41 PM

... and they're not paid to stay...  8)
....no, they're paid to play and to lay....)))
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Nat on December 17, 2011, 02:48:05 AM
Here's my theory.

A lot of real, actual, single, young, beautiful, but very poor, girls join Anastasia and get free photos taken by the agency, free Internet access, etc. (The American men are of course paying for this with all the huge Anastasia fees.) These girls have basically decided, if need be, to have sex with a man completely unattractive to them in exchange for a visa to America. In essence this is straight prostitution, except that it's a little more respectable since there is a marriage ceremony involved, she can claim she loved him (a 20 year old blonde model in love with a bald, fat man older than her father - Lol), etc.

Anyway, when the guy finally does land in Odessa, most girls just chicken out. They can't do it - to put it bluntly to be raped repeatedly for months, and pretend to like it, in order to get to America. However some girls can handle it and go through with it, have sex with the guy and maybe convince him to marry her.

Any thoughts??

You'd make an excellent screenwriter ;)
First of all, Anastasia doesn't provide free photos and free internet.
Second, of course there are some girls willing to exchange sex for different favours, and visas as well. But those ones won't chicken out - they'll catch you and let go only having emptied your wallet ;)
As for not turning up - there can be a lot of reasons, actually. Maybe she was interested if he'd really come but wasn't willing to meet. Or she'd already found somebody else but felt awkward to say about that. Or she actually had a husband who she'd been planning to leave but right in time of his arrival things improved between them, etc.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: XMan on December 17, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
It is unnecessary to go to the FSU to have this happen. 
It can happen by meeting someone a block from where one lives. 
Caveat emptor.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Globetrotter on December 17, 2011, 11:27:26 AM
Jack is so right!  Some men who have failed at every domestic relationship think that the FSU is "easy pickings" while the opposite is true.  In this country the divorce rate is more than 50% and over there it's higher.  I don't care how many surveys are done to "justify" the quest, but my belief is that it is more difficult for many reasons, thus, you must be much better from the start to make a go of an FSU relationship. 
 
Think culture, language, lonliness, a job or just something to do, loss of friends, and other things.  Then...add a 20 year or more age difference, and you do the math.  Some here have a great age difference and seem successful , but certainly is not the norm...and those couples I would consider unique.   
 
Although women are the same worldwide in wanting the same things, FSU girls bring their differences to the party, which are substantial.  If you just want a sex partner, don't marry one...rent one!  If you have solid character, (that's who you are when nobody is looking) can do the work required and have the finances to do so, and you seek your best friend......you have a chance.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 17, 2011, 11:53:41 AM
In essence this is straight prostitution, except that it's a little more respectable since there is a marriage ceremony involved, she can claim she loved him (a 20 year old blonde model in love with a bald, fat man older than her father - Lol), etc.


I am surprised that nobody called you out on this old canard, equating marriage with prostitution. The two are different entities and yes you can have marriages of conveniences, you can have people entering into marriage without good intentions, but it is still not prostitution.

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Anyway, when the guy finally does land in Odessa, most girls just chicken out. They can't do it - to put it bluntly to be raped repeatedly for months, and pretend to like it, in order to get to America. However some girls can handle it and go through with it, have sex with the guy and maybe convince him to marry her.


Sorry, consensual sex is not rape. Perhaps it is sex without desire, perhaps it is sex with an ulterior motive, but if she consents to sex it is not rape, so it is not a case of a woman being "raped repeatedly" rather a woman choosing to have sex with a man for less than noble or less than romantic intents...
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Sophocles on December 17, 2011, 02:41:58 PM
Some points regarding the AnastasiaDate "ladies":

1. Most (80%?) of them are in the "game" only for the money; they have no real interest in marrying foreign men.

2. If a "lady" is childless and claims to accept an age gap bigger than 15 years, she is most certainly not looking for a husband. She is rather looking for the money of gullible men.

3. An easy way to check the seriousness of a "lady" - in a preliminary way - is giving one's e-mail address on the Anastasia chat. (This can be done, and in less than five minutes.) If she refuses to use this address (no matter what her excuses are), this refusal is certain proof that she is only interested in the money. It is a known fact that local agencies offer "ladies" money for chatting.

4. If the "lady" writes you directly to your e-mail address, you can suggest communication via Skype. If she refuses (no matter what her excuses are), her intentions are not serious.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 17, 2011, 04:01:56 PM
First of all, does anyone really know if Anastasia girls are actually getting paid to chat - in other words Anastasia is basically a pay per minute sex chat service? I really am skeptical about that because many girls on Anastasia will get annoyed and cut you off if you get too explicit.

Also, if these girls are pro-daters looking for a meal and "cab fare", why so many no shows when the man arrives?

Rather I think that all thousands of under 25 year old women on the site who are searching for a man up to age 55 are basically trying to enter into thinly veiled prostitution. Sex for a visa. However at the "moment of truth", most back out.

That's my best guess.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 17, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Anastasia advertises in Ukraine on billboards for girls to join their site.
The most productive chatter wins a car,whilst others win ipods and free holidays.
Anastasia does not pay the girls to chat on their site,but it is strongly believed that the local agencies,where the girls are based, in Ukraine do.
Maybe the girls don't show up for the dates because their local boyfriends/lovers have other plans for them for the day/evening,or maybe they have arranged to meet/fleece too many men,and can't fit them all in. :rolleyes2:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 17, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
Again I am a little skeptical about the payment of girls for chatting. I would say that about 50% of the girls on the site don't like sexually explicit chat. If they are getting paid, what do they care?

I suppose in some cases girls are really busy when an man shows up, however they don't have ANY TIME for a meal with a guy who just flew 7,000 miles? Then some girls meet the guy but are strangely cold and uninterested. My guess is they thought they could go through with the deal, however finally are emotionally unable to.

Prostitution for a woman is basically rape for money. Why do you think women tend to turn to it only as a job of last resort and even then want a lot of money and even then may need the aid of drugs or alcohol?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Spoon on December 17, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
Every conceivable scenario mentioned on this thread is both possible and probable.

If you are serious about finding a genuine lady, stop speculating about AWeb and find an alternative site, put your time & money into more productive pursuits :)

Just my thoughts, don't mean to sound like I'm lecturing you.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 17, 2011, 07:41:21 PM
I too have wasted thousands of dollars on Anastasia. You ask why they don't show up when the man visits? It is in all probability that she never even knew you were coming. You had been corresponding with the agency's translator the whole time. Don't waste your time asking such questions about Anastasia. Stop using the pay-per-letter sites and use the free or monthly pay sites that allow you to directly contact the women.
If you still think that Anastasia is a good site then by all means continue to throw your money away. BTW, I've got a nice bridge for sale. You interested?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Maxx2 on December 17, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
There is a sticky in the scam section called "The true GCG" (Green Card Girl)


I wrote this 6 years ago.



"I believe there is a list that they work down

1) Enter the country legally.

2) Marry (if not all ready married).

3) Then do ASAP the Adjustment of Status, EADs, SSA #'s, Driver's license or learner's permit.

4) Get a hold of his finances (I put the brakes on all this with mine as I knew a divorce was emminent) by getting joint checking accounts (that he will fund), credit cards (that he will pay), health insurance policies (that he will be required to maintain even after the separtion) and name on the mortgage title (that will require him to split the equity during the length of the marriage) and other.

5) Establish Russian contacts and others in the immigrant community that are sympathetic towards immigration fraud.

6) Not get a job if DV is the choice for an early out. The reason will be stated later *.

7)  Establish themselves with a good jobs or business and work towards self-sufficiency (good women can do this also)

 Find a boyfriend who will accept a live together arraignment after the separation. This is so common I suspect it happens in the majority of the time. 

For those who wish to go the DV route:

A) Establish with their "friends" that their husbands are abusive and/or neglectful. A big tip off that this is happening is that their friends are standoffish, cold and somewhat hostile towards the husband.

B) Picking fights about the smallest of things (even good RW do this) then postition herself to make it escalate into something worse. Such as destruction of his property, locking him out of his house or on to the balcony, standing in front of the door when he is trying to leave, humiliating him sexually during sex, flirting with other men, insisting on sleeping apart and so on. Any reaction to this by the man this can trigger a 911 call.

C) Going to woman's shelter or doing a 911 call. It has the same effect.

For those who wish the getting the Green Card in hand first.

A) Simple do steps 1-7 and play the content wife until Legal Perminent Residency Card is obtained.

B) Then false DV charges to bolster a spousal support claim during the divorce. If she has no job * then her support can be more.

C) Then off to a new life and with it a new story of how she got her GC. As example she came in on a Student visa or her husband/sponser was felon when he was not or her husband/sponser was near her same age when he was 25-35 years her senior and so on.

Welcome to America, the land of opportunity and a second chance.

Maxx"
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 17, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Harry,
 
What is your point?  Based on what I read in this thread, you are the type on man who stains the RW endeavor and defames the sincere men who seek marriage with RW.  Please tell me that I am misreading you, that you are not guilty of the following charges:
 
1.  You have allowed yourself to be suckered into the Anastasia fantasy designed for idiots, lechers, and lonely losers.
 
2.  When chatting with Anastasia women you attempt to talk about sexually explicit matters (your words:  "50% of the girls on the site don't like sexually explicit chat,"  "many girls on Anastasia will get annoyed and cut you off if you get too explicit").  Do you raise the subject of sex, using explicit terms, to American women before dating them?
 
3.  You have equated marriage to prostitution. (see Misha's post)
 
4.  And the most damning, you equate prostitution to rape for money.  I consider this bad not just because you do not understand the crime of  rape (e. g., the concept of consent).   What is worse is that you do not understand the  effects of rape on victims.  It is a heinous act of assault.  Besides being traumatized, victims suffer stress disorders and can slip into dissociation and become socially withdrawn.   Talk to a women's group about rape.
 
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 04:16:25 AM
First of all, regarding prostitution being rape, this was said by a prostitute not only by me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/11/gender.socialexclusion

I'm just trying to figure out, based on all available evidence, what exactly Anastasia really is.

I don't think the girls are pure scammers who are corresponding with Americans in an effort to get the men to send them money but never intend to meet the guy. You can't send her money.

I also kind of doubt that they are getting paid to chat because if so, they wouldn't mind sexually explicit chat, yet many do.

I also kind of doubt that the girls are really "busy" when men finally arrive to meet them. They had all that time to chat and write letters, why are so many of them now suddenly "unavailable" or some do meet the guy but appear to be uninterested and won't let him touch her.

Therefore, I think that my theory is the most probable. The girls are real, single, young, beautiful and totally penniless. Anastasia provides them with free photos shoots and free Internet access (unlike other sites, where they would use home made photos and pay for time at an Internet cafe, which they can't afford). They decide to exchange sex for a visa. However when the man arrives and it's time to do it, most can't.

At least this is what seems most likely to me. 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 18, 2011, 05:06:32 AM
Well,i shall now blow your theory completely out of the water.
The vast majority of girls on Anastasia will only meet a man if their agency interpreter is present at all times during the meeting,which of course will cost you 15 USD an hour.
When she takes you shopping,the terp will be there,when you take her to a restaurant,the terp will be there,with you paying for her meal also,in the unlikely event the girl comes to your room the terp will be there..at 15USD an hour.So ,when exactly do you and the little darling arrange these wild sex sessions,for her to gain her visa to the land of milk and honey,bearing in mind she's claiming that she needs a terp to be able to communicate with you ?
Don't be fooled by your online chatting with these girls,that's all done through an electronic translator.I can assure you that when the time comes that you fly to meet her,there is a huge chance you'll also be meeting her terp/chaperone.Very few of those girls will admit to speaking English well enough to meet you without their terp in tow.
As for these girls being penniless,many of them live very well.If you believe these girls are sitting at home alone waiting for  foreign guys to come and meet them,then you're certainly living in a fantasy world.For example one of the forum members met one agency girl in Kiev,who turned up for her 300 USD meal with him in her Porsche Cayenne.Penniless eh ?
Like i said if the girl can fit a foreign guy into her busy schedule,then she'll meet him,to get a nice dinner and maybe some presents out of him.If he travels all that way to meet her,and she's busy with her local boyfriend,then she won't care if she's stood him up.That foreign guy means nothing to her..capiche ?
Welcome to the world of Ukrainian pro-daters,so wake up and smell the coffee,or go and meet some and take plenty of cash with you,although the chances of you getting laid with any of them is slim,which also blows your theory out of the water. :welcome:
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 05:24:03 AM
Some girls will agree to ditch the interpreter and go to the next levels - sex and then a wedding. So it's not all about a free meal or a new pair of earrings. I think a lot about what happens in Odessa is going to depend on how far that particular girl emotionally feels she can go with the "I love mature men no matter how they look" hoax.

I know there are literally thousands of girls on Anastasia listed as being under 25, willing to meet men up to age 55, and "don't really care about how a man looks".

I would love to know if there is even one 50 year old man who has married a 20 year old Anastasia girl and five years later they are still together?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 18, 2011, 06:26:03 AM
You know Harry, I don't think you want to believe the truth about Anastasia that anyone here is trying to tell you. I think you just want validation that you did not thorw away all those thousands of dollars on letters, gifts, phone and video chats. Why continue to ask? Just keep using Anastasia and I'm sure after a few years more and many thousands more spent you will prove us all wrong.... :wallbash: :cluebat: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 18, 2011, 06:39:29 AM
I'd like to know of any Anastasia girls in their twenties,that actually married a foreign guy in his fifties within the last five years,let alone if the said marriages lasted five years.
I remember Vinnvinny saying he'd personally looked at the wedding photo's in the Odessa agencies,on one of his trips there,and he saw no evidence of Ukrainian hotties in their twenties,which Anastasia is full of,marrying foreign men,and certainly not foreign men 50 or older.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Sophocles on December 18, 2011, 06:59:30 AM
I also kind of doubt that they are getting paid to chat because if so, they wouldn't mind sexually explicit chat, yet many do.

1. Local agencies offer the Anastasia ladies (AL) the possibility of getting paid to chat. It is up to the "ladies" to accept or refuse the offer.

2. It is up to the "gentlemen" if they want to chat-and-pay; it is their free choice, and hence the AL may think they are doing nothing wrong.

3. Most of the AL are quite decent and it is perfectly normal that they would not want to enter into sexually explicit talk with strangers. They would prefer to talk with more decent guys instead.

4. If an AL initiates a chat with you and then, on receiving your e-mail address, refuses to write to you, this behaviour indicates she has accepted the money offer from the agency: she is interested in the chat per se, not in the man she is chatting with. Another way to test her is to suddenly turn on the camera (if there is one) and see how bored she looks; she may even be talking on the phone while chatting with her "darling".

If the AL doesn't have a webcam, it may be the case that she is not doing the chat herself; but this is another problem.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 07:36:15 AM
Everyone has been writing some different truth: there are no girls, some Anastasia employee writes the letters; there are girls, but they just want dinner; the girls just want a green card.

I think the truth is a little more complicated.

Anastasia is a blend of real marriage agency, escort service and sex chat site. Once you've gotten that clarified, then you can make the decision to take out your credit card or not.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 18, 2011, 08:05:18 AM
Yes,you can find a potential wife on Anastasia.
However,you need to concentrate on women 35 and over,especially if she's got children,because then she has very few options among local men.Of course she can still be a green card seeker.
Unlike western men,Ukrainian men are very reluctant to take on another mans kids,so they'll date,and have sex,with the women above,but it's highly unlikely they'll marry them.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 08:20:59 AM
Right, I think some segment of Anastasia is a real marriage agency. One good question however might be - why fly  7,000 miles to find that nice lady with the kids? Go on match.com and drive probably 20 miles to meet her. And she'll speak English.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on December 18, 2011, 09:01:42 AM
The majority of men looking for a wife in the FSU are in their 40/50's..
So,for example,a man of 50,who's decent-looking,charming,in good shape physically and financially, can potentially find a very attractive,slim,feminine,well-educated wife of 35 at a push in the FSU,especially if she has one or more children.
In the west his options are rather more limited,with many of the women overweight/out of shape,and probably at least 45 years old.
Of course if that man is seriously wealthy,then he'd have more options in the west,but those kind of men tend not to look for a wife in the FSU,and if they did they would certainly appeal more to the under 35's as well in Ukraine,although probably more for financial gain than anything else,which is where the green card seekers come in to the equation.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 09:07:21 AM
Maybe so, but there are plenty of lonely ladies in the US however.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: acrzybear on December 18, 2011, 09:13:16 AM
Maybe so, but there are plenty of lonely ladies in the US however.
Then forget about your fantasy of the smokinhotkova and stick with the women in the U.S  :-\ If you're not smart enough to seperate the wheat fom the chaff, then this endeavor is not for you. 
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
I'm actually mentally gifted and a real smarty pants.

I will say simply this:

the anastasia girls are real

BUT they may not go to bed with you when you arrive in odessa, even if online they promised they would

AND even if she does go to bed with you, it's highly unlikely she still will be in bed with you in five years down the road, unless she's pretty much as attractive as a woman you could have met at the local gym or match.com.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: acrzybear on December 18, 2011, 09:41:29 AM
I'm actually mentally gifted and a real smarty pants.

I will say simply this:

the anastasia girls are real

BUT they may not go to bed with you when you arrive in odessa, even if online they promised they would

AND even if she does go to bed with you, it's highly unlikely she still will be in bed with you in five years down the road, unless she's pretty much as attractive as a woman you could have met at the local gym or match.com.

Wel if sex is your primary goal, then stay home and hire a hooker.  That way you won't have to worry about visas, customs, jetlag, currency exchange etc...  For the cost of airfare I'm sure you can find a good local prostitute.   
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Ade on December 18, 2011, 09:43:52 AM
I'm actually mentally gifted and a real smarty pants.

lol Too funny.  ;D
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: acrzybear on December 18, 2011, 09:49:49 AM
I'm actually mentally gifted and a real smarty pants.
So are you saying that you have the cleanest windows on the short bus?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
"Wel if sex is your primary goal, then stay home and hire a hooker"

That may well be true.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Faux Pas on December 18, 2011, 10:49:17 AM
I'm actually mentally gifted and a real smarty pants.


Seriously, you're not


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I will say simply this:

the anastasia girls are real


For you Harry they are only a fantasy and likely for always remain a fantasy

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BUT they may not go to bed with you when you arrive in odessa, even if online they promised they would

AND even if she does go to bed with you, it's highly unlikely she still will be in bed with you in five years down the road, unless she's pretty much as attractive as a woman you could have met at the local gym or match.com.


Stick with the local prostitutes. More bang for your buck
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vincenzo on December 18, 2011, 11:46:48 AM
There is a sticky in the scam section called "The true GCG" (Green Card Girl)

I actually see such a girl at my landlord's place.
The landlord is a fat, bold, old-looking man. He sits day after day at home, does nothing, never exercises, and just complains about numerous illnesses.

Recently, he's brought a wife from Persia. She is 20 years younger, attractive. She is a medical doctor and speaks English well.

Once I had a private talk with her after seeing his loud shouting at her.

She said that her Green Card hadn't arrived and she had called the immigration. The immigration said they had sent her Green Card 4 months earlier. She had to pay $500 for a replacement card. A few days later, the husband "found" her Green Card and offered her to keep her passport and money in his safe place.

He treats her as a slave: he doesn't give her any money, he doesn't allow her to work, he doesn't allow her to get a driver's license, he doesn't allow her to study and get a medical certification. Yes, he knows that if she goes to college or hospital, she'll certainly meet very good men.

She doesn't want to stay, she wants to go home.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 11:47:55 AM
"Stick with the local prostitutes."

The sad part is that most likely half of them were Anastasia girls last year.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 12:13:05 PM
First of all, regarding prostitution being rape, this was said by a prostitute not only by me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/11/gender.socialexclusion (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/11/gender.socialexclusion)



Irrelevant. It is not how rape is defined whether legally or in terms of definitions. Is prostitution exploitation? Yes, you can make a case for this. Can a prostitute be raped? Yes. If at any point she says no, then she has taken away her consent and it would be rape. Is a prostitute who is old enough to giver her consent, gives her consent, is conscious and does not change her mind and say no being raped? No, both legally and in terms of how most people understand rape.   
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
The emotional pain and trauma suffered by prostitutes, or pornographic actresses, or for that matter "green card brides" is apparently equivalent to the pain and trauma of repeated rape. Some woman can do it, some can't. Hence the great number of Anastasia hotties who suddenly "leave town" when their American man shows up.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 12:51:24 PM
The emotional pain and trauma suffered by prostitutes, or pornographic actresses, or for that matter "green card brides" is apparently equivalent to the pain and trauma of repeated rape.


What are you basing this on? It would be comparable to saying that the pain and trauma suffered by someone mugged at random, beaten and left unconscious is a back alley is equivalent to a boxer in a ring who is knocked out. It simply isn't so.

Quote
Some woman can do it, some can't. Hence the great number of Anastasia hotties who suddenly "leave town" when their American man shows up.


You are fishing for rationalizations to justify behaviour that is less than ethical and in the same process degrading the suffering of those who truly suffered without having a say in what happened to them (i.e. belittling the victims of rape IMHO).
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vincenzo on December 18, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
Hence the great number of Anastasia hotties who suddenly "leave town" when their American man shows up.
I don't think it's true when a man sets a "date" through the  website and pays money for it.

She'll show up; otherwise, she'll be punished. It's true that her boyfriend will call her to make sure that everything is OK.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
Misha, I think like most men, you have no concept of what sex is for women. Please check this out.

http://thepinkcross.org/pinkcross-articles/june-2009/porn-stars-speak-out-stds-drugs-and-abuse

I wonder how we could get some female opinions in here?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 18, 2011, 01:21:28 PM
The emotional pain and trauma suffered by prostitutes, or pornographic actresses, or for that matter "green card brides" is apparently equivalent to the pain and trauma of repeated rape. Some woman can do it, some can't. Hence the great number of Anastasia hotties who suddenly "leave town" when their American man shows up.

Harry, you are a mental basket case.  Did you write this song:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTwJo0HeNmU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTwJo0HeNmU)
 
 
Your first statement is ludicrously wrong.  If you base such on the Guardian article, you misread it.  The article is an interview with one desperate prostitute, and why would you think she is mentally competent and qualified to compare prostitution and rape? Her comment where you read about prostitution and rape:
 
Quote
  Some people say that prostitution is actually a man paying to rape a woman." Does she believe that? "I think that is true in a lot of cases. Although it is a business arrangement, he is getting off on the fact that the woman doesn't want it. Basically you've consented to being raped for money."

Please understand the meanings of consent, assault and trauma.
 
Your third sentence is also wrong.  Some Anastasia women don't show because they never were comminicating with you.  Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name.    Others upstream have explained this, yet you ignore them.
 
I will make this connection beween prostitution and Anastasia:  many men who use prostitutes are creeps, and I imagine many men who use Anastasia services are also creeps, especially those who try to get the women to talk in sexually explicit terms! 
 
Is this your song:
 
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 18, 2011, 01:31:28 PM
I wonder how we could get some female opinions in here?

Why would they?  First you quote prostitutes.  Then porn starts.  So you think RW would be the next logical source?  Why did you skip transvestites?
Maybe RW would PM you if you promised to talk dirty as you did with Anastasia dyevs!!!
 
This is absurd.  You have made some sick conclusions and you are sticking to them.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
"Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."

Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?

I think Anastasia doesn't want to (because of financial repercussions if exposed) and doesn't need to resort to that kind of scam.

And if you like to believe that prostitutes, green card brides, strippers, etc are really "into" you, that's your choice. But I think we need to get some women commenting on this one.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
"Maybe RW would PM you if you promised to talk dirty as you did with Anastasia dyevs!!!"

No way! I'll only talk dirty to you, baby.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on December 18, 2011, 01:46:59 PM
And if you like to believe that prostitutes, green card brides, strippers, etc are really "into" you, that's your choice.

I am not a creep nor a lonely loser so I would not believe such if I encountered one of your women.
 
Quote
"Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."

Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?
and
Congratulations, you have made a valid point.  Now please go make a a second one.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 01:55:50 PM
So, Harry, porn stars are the standard ??? They may have issues but it still consensual and not rape...
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 01:59:10 PM
Ok, listen I take it back. Girls who have sex for money and/or visas love it, they just can't get enough! It's real - she really loves you. She's going wild about you.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 02:10:23 PM
Harry, you don't do subtlety well  Again, a woman can have sex without desire and it won't be rape, and a woman can marry without love and it still won't be prostitution...
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
No, just pay her and don't worry. She loves it. She's finishing that bottle of Jack Daniels because she loves the sex so much.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 02:27:56 PM
You can freely consent to do a job and not love the job. So what.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: acrzybear on December 18, 2011, 02:47:02 PM
Harry should just crawl back into his cave or go troll elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
I'm not in a cave. I'm in an apartment in Odessa in bed with 20 18 year old models who all told me "I love you long time!" :wallbash:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: acrzybear on December 18, 2011, 03:00:05 PM
I'm not in a cave. I'm in an apartment in Odessa in bed with 20 18 year old models who all told me "I love you long time!" :wallbash:
You must be smoking some good stuff, or you are a delusional idiot. My money is on option B.  Have a good life with your delusions, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this forum.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: brave girl on December 18, 2011, 03:00:18 PM
She'll show up; otherwise, she'll be punished. It's true that her boyfriend will call her to make sure that everything is OK.

 :)
 
НА РАДОСТЬ СТАРИКАМ
- Времени нет на интервью! - извиняется 25-летняя красотка, длинноногая белокурая Оксана. - Вчера ужинала в ресторане с голландцем, сегодня назначена встреча с норвежцем. Даже с подругами увидеться некогда.
 
 http://kp.ru/daily/25805/2785616/  (http://kp.ru/daily/25805/2785616/)

brave girl
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jack on December 18, 2011, 03:39:34 PM
You must be smoking some good stuff, or you are a delusional idiot. My money is on option B.  Have a good life with your delusions, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this forum.


Well bear, if so, he more than likely brought it in with him, risky of course.  Ukraine's home grown is nothing to write home about.



"Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."

Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?

I think Anastasia doesn't want to (because of financial repercussions if exposed) and doesn't need to resort to that kind of scam.

I'm with you Harry.  I think all this stuff about Anastasia is made up.  I don't have any Anastasia ladies on my upcoming dance card or you can bet I would write back and report about the success I would be sure to have with them, but you Harry, I hope you will meet some of these women and post back to these guy's and let them know the truth.  Deal?


Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Misha on December 18, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
I'm not in a cave. I'm in an apartment in Odessa in bed with 20 18 year old models who all told me "I love you long time!" :wallbash:

Are you whining or bragging?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: fathertime on December 18, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
I have spent lately more time and money than I should on a website called Anastasia.

I have heard strange stories. Some men have allegedly gone to Odessa to meet a girl whom they had been eagerly corresponding with. Then upon arrival he is told she is for some strange reason busy or unavailable. In fact a lot of girls he met online are "out of town", or he meets a girl however she is strangely cold. But then they do find one friendly girl, have a great time and possibly end up marrying.

So there are a lot of conflicting opinions - is Anastasia a scam? Are the girls scammers? Or maybe it's very legitimate?

Here's my theory.

A lot of real, actual, single, young, beautiful, but very poor, girls join Anastasia and get free photos taken by the agency, free Internet access, etc. (The American men are of course paying for this with all the huge Anastasia fees.) These girls have basically decided, if need be, to have sex with a man completely unattractive to them in exchange for a visa to America. In essence this is straight prostitution, except that it's a little more respectable since there is a marriage ceremony involved, she can claim she loved him (a 20 year old blonde model in love with a bald, fat man older than her father - Lol), etc.

Anyway, when the guy finally does land in Odessa, most girls just chicken out. They can't do it - to put it bluntly to be raped repeatedly for months, and pretend to like it, in order to get to America. However some girls can handle it and go through with it, have sex with the guy and maybe convince him to marry her.

Any thoughts??
I used Anastasia a few years ago, actually in 2005...a few of the guys were scammed out of 100's if not 1000's of dollars by women that didn't want to meet them when they arrived.   So yeah, I'd say the company has some shady ladies on the books.


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 05:07:59 PM
I suspect the girls are real and did write the letters, pose for the photos, etc but then just didn't have the guts to hop in bed with Mr American Visa.

I am thinking half seriously about living in Odessa. Anything is possible. If I do I may be too exhausted to post anything however, with all the girls yelling (in Russian I guess) "Mister I love you longtime!"

Devushka - be quiet! Papa is posting on RWD.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Daveman on December 18, 2011, 05:16:34 PM
Right, I think some segment of Anastasia is a real marriage agency. One good question however might be - why fly  7,000 miles to find that nice lady with the kids? Go on match.com and drive probably 20 miles to meet her. And she'll speak English.


Perhaps someone has mentioned this already (haven't read the entire thread, just up to this quoted post)... kievstar had a pretty good sounding Anastasia methodology -- i.e., don't waste you time on the internet money game but rather just show up at say the Anastasia office in Kiev.. get in good with the staff, and they'll point you toward sincere women "within your league" (ambiguous term, but the best we have to describe it)... highly doubtful that it'll work all the time, doubtfully even most of the time... 


why fly 7,000 miles? no great secret there.. heh
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 18, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
I think the truth with any international marriage is - the more attractive she is than a woman you could date locally, the more your are sliding into a "sex for visa" relationship, in other words a type of prostitution.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Daveman on December 18, 2011, 05:45:09 PM
I think the truth with any international marriage is - the more attractive she is than a woman you could date locally, the more your are sliding into a "sex for visa" relationship, in other words a type of prostitution.


That's often true in any relationship anywhere.  Hell, at the most basic level, all relationships are some form(s) of transaction(s) anyway (give and take --  transactions). 


For some it's never about love... for others it is..  the trick is to avoid intermingling the subsets..  ;D
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Muzh on December 19, 2011, 07:52:57 AM
 :ROFL:
 
Why are you guys taking this dude seriously?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Faux Pas on December 19, 2011, 07:57:08 AM
:ROFL:
 
Why are you guys taking this dude seriously?


+1
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 19, 2011, 08:22:58 AM
Definitely agree with the others. I think he is just trolling......  :rolleyes2:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Harrydubois on December 19, 2011, 09:27:49 AM
Why? Because I'm not following the party line that Anastasia girls are pure and simple scammers who are paid by the hour to chat, while the letters are written by some guys in Kiev? Prove me wrong, but I personally doubt that story.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: alex330 on December 19, 2011, 10:05:54 AM

So there are a lot of conflicting opinions - is Anastasia a scam? Are the girls scammers? Or maybe it's very legitimate?

A lot of real, actual, single, young, beautiful, but very poor, girls join Anastasia and get free photos taken by the agency, free Internet access, etc. (The American men are of course paying for this with all the huge Anastasia fees.)


It is a mix of all of the above. All the small agencies feed into the Anastasia monopoly. Some agencies are more honest than others and there are all types of women in all these small agencies. And yes, most agencies provide free photo sessions to the women which they will accept just to have nice pics.

Why? Because I'm not following the party line that Anastasia girls are pure and simple scammers who are paid by the hour to chat, while the letters are written by some guys in Kiev?

Many of the younger model looking women are paid to write letters and chat online. It is just a job for them. Very few women want a VISA. Most have a perfectly good life in Ukraine. In order to stay in business the small agencies need to feed into Anastasia. There are legit women, agency girls making a living, women there for the prizes or photos, prostitutes, etc. Some women in their twenties do marry guys who are 50, I know of one couple personally.

"Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."

Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?

I think Anastasia doesn't want to (because of financial repercussions if exposed) and doesn't need to resort to that kind of scam.
.

I logged in and have seen Anastasia's web interface and the women chatting for the most part are getting paid by their agencies who are paid by Anastasia. Anastasia will fine agencies if they catch them cheating but most of the time will play dumb as to what is occurring. If the women do not show up for dates the agency can be fined. Sometimes the women are busy with their boyfriends, etc.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: alex330 on December 19, 2011, 10:31:14 AM
Chelseaboys posts are correct in the way it works with Anastasia as well.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Faux Pas on December 19, 2011, 10:44:20 AM
Why? Because I'm not following the party line that Anastasia girls are pure and simple scammers who are paid by the hour to chat, while the letters are written by some guys in Kiev? Prove me wrong, but I personally doubt that story.


Because you haven't a clue. You want Anastasia to be wrapped up and defined as the nice little package you've formulated in your mind that it should be from your perception without you ever getting off your ass and seeing for yourself. You want all the women of Anastasia to be stereo typed as you believe them to be from your interaction on their website. It's not reality, it's fantasy . It's your fantasy, just keep feeding it and believe what you want to believe. I see you as just another one of the 98% that never visit anyway.



Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 19, 2011, 10:51:52 AM
Why? Because I'm not following the party line that Anastasia girls are pure and simple scammers who are paid by the hour to chat, while the letters are written by some guys in Kiev? Prove me wrong, but I personally doubt that story.

You came here to ask questions yet now you want to disagree with what all the others who have been thorugh all this have been telling you. Please Harry, by all means, do go ahead and continue with your fantasy. After all, it is your money......  :cluebat: :wallbash: :deadhorse: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: viking on December 19, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
Harry

Keep in mind this old expression. " Never try and teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig".

Please stick with Anastasia. Please spend a lot of money. Please use all your free time doing this.

Come back here in a year or so after you made your visits. Please tell us about your travels. We will all enjoy reading about them. Trust me.

Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vinnvinny on December 19, 2011, 11:40:11 AM



For example one of the forum members met one agency girl in Kiev,who turned up for her 300 USD meal with him in her Porsche Cayenne.Penniless eh ?

I think I know that forum member.  8)

I met her through a free site and in fairness to the her I don't think she was a VISA girl. I didn't date her again because I was way out of my depth financially, but then again I've never been married to an Oligarch. :(


I remember Vinnvinny saying he'd personally looked at the wedding photo's in the Odessa agencies,on one of his trips there,and he saw no evidence of Ukrainian hotties in their twenties,which Anastasia is full of,marrying foreign men,and certainly not foreign men 50 or older.

It was Nikolaev to be accurate and I have still yet to meet a middle aged WM married to a young 'kova, though I've seen plenty out on 'dates'.

I'd reply in more detail to Harry about his thoughts -v- reality but I've some drying paint that needs watching .....
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vincenzo on December 19, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
Check this website:
http://www.anastasiascammers.com/

One girl has worked for Anastasia for 10 years !!!

Then look at the boys who wrote her. Some are really young and handsome. Is she blind or what?
(http://jedi434.ipage.com/npics/Rick2.jpg)
(http://jedi434.ipage.com/npics/iceman2.jpg)
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vinnvinny on December 19, 2011, 12:09:14 PM

Check this website:
http://www.anastasiascammers.com/ (http://www.anastasiascammers.com/)

One girl has worked for Anastasia for 10 years !!!

Then look at the boys who wrote her. Some are really young and handsome. Is she blind or what?



'What'. 'What' would she do with gay American Calvin Klein model Sean Opry (both pics are of him).
;)
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vincenzo on December 19, 2011, 12:31:15 PM



'What'. 'What' would she do with gay American Calvin Klein model Sean Opry (both pics are of him).
;)
Does it mean that Anastasia girls receive letters from fat, ugly American Jennifers who pretend to be hot guys?
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Muzh on December 19, 2011, 12:38:06 PM

Because you haven't a clue. You want Anastasia to be wrapped up and defined as the nice little package you've formulated in your mind that it should be from your perception without you ever getting off your ass and seeing for yourself. You want all the women of Anastasia to be stereo typed as you believe them to be from your interaction on their website. It's not reality, it's fantasy . It's your fantasy, just keep feeding it and believe what you want to believe. I see you as just another one of the 98% that never visit anyway.

Easy there FP. this guy gives me the impression that when he writes with the girls from AWeb, he uses one hand.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jumper on December 19, 2011, 05:45:48 PM
Why? Because I'm not following the party line that Anastasia girls are pure and simple scammers who are paid by the hour to chat, while the letters are written by some guys in Kiev? Prove me wrong, but I personally doubt that story.

Why?
 
because you asked a question,
and despite members ,who have actual experience in the FSU , and with such agencies ,giving you answers,
 you persist that it all must be the way you think it is.
 

You are wrong on many counts.
 
You are correct that it's mostly a scam , and that anyone is mostly  wasting time using such agencies.
 
You are not correct in how it works,
or the  motivations of most of the women listed with such agencies.
 
Yet insist on telling those of us with real experience , that we don't get it.
 
 
It's not a simple answer, or even one answer,
and the FSU isn't nearly as black and white as you'd
 like it to be.
 
Many are paid by local affiliate agencies, to chat, or to write letters, or make money in communicating  one way or another.
Generally the women  are not required to meet anyone.
(although some of the local affiliates may require or pay them to do so)
 
Many are not looking for mariage to a foriegn man, some are.
 
Some are pro daters, just doing it for fun and gifts, they play the same game with local
men.(if and when they can,but foriegn guys are easier marks)
 
Some ,while working in a system that pays them to chat or email men,
are open to meeting a man that interests them and if he seems decent,
very very few decent men write.Less actually visit.
 
Generally it's a good job in a provincial city, and pays better then most jobs they can get.
A huge percentage of men writing or chatting are married, or men who wont visit,. Many are from countries whose culture would never allow cross cultural marriages in the first place.
Most masrried men say they are married,. , and dont hide the fact its just amusing to chat with a pretty young girl.The percent of sincere men writing is so incredibly small,as to be completely lost in such a large scale operation.Really.
 
The main motivation for the women, is the pay.period.
It's just a job, not much  different than being a receptionist, smile,  say hello,make easy conversation. 
Many have boyfriends or husbands, many don't.
 
Stereotypes cant fit even a majority,
as there are a good amount that would meet a guy if he appeared interesting ,or decent ,
or in her realistic age bracket. Odds of meeting a normal man are pretty slim though, so they just do the job and that's, that.
 
 
Sex chat is not part of it. The women do not need to do so, dont make any more money for doing so, and generally the affiluates have rules against doing so.
You'd need to understand the FSU better ,and business workings there, to understand why the affiliates would discourage that. Yes it exist,, sex chat is certainly a big business as well, but it is kept seperate.
 
Very few would marry a man they din't like, just to relocate,
could happen,but that's not some big percent. 
On that you are way out in left field,. The women working that system are normally making a a grand or more a month,they may have other normak jobd as well, and  that's a decent living in provincial FSU.Better than most.

what proofs do you want?  it's a silly debate when I've been there, met them, and know women working that system right now.The key motivation is pay.They dont sit at chat, or answer thousands of emails,  for hours for nothing.
The secondary motivations can be almost anything?
from actually being open to meeting some decent man ,and marrying him if it all worked out, or  to absolutely zero interest in meeting any man, much less foriegn , or in relocation.
 
 
 
 

 In the end your assement that it's a waste of time in general is accurate, and that's what truly matters, not the details?
so why debate them?
 
 
Just find a better means of meeting.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jumper on December 19, 2011, 06:02:15 PM

 It was Nikolaev to be accurate and I have still yet to meet a middle aged WM married to a young 'kova, though I've seen plenty out on 'dates'.
.....

Vinnvinny
then lets define middle aged and young 'kova?
When we met I was 48 , she was 28..
and it was Nikolaev.
 
 
havn't met you though,so I see your point.
 ;D
 
 
(this is NOT some argument for large age gaps, as generally it shouldf be avoided , I jhust don't take my own advice well)
 
 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Vinnvinny on December 19, 2011, 11:20:51 PM

Vinnvinny
then lets define middle aged and young 'kova?
When we met I was 48 , she was 28..
and it was Nikolaev.
 
 
havn't met you though,so I see your point.
 ;D
 
 
(this is NOT some argument for large age gaps, as generally it shouldf be avoided , I jhust don't take my own advice well)


Middle aged = 40's/50's


Young 'kova = 18 to 22


 :)
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Terran on December 26, 2011, 02:13:13 PM
There was a co-worker of mine that met someone through Anastasia's site. They talked for 6 months using chat and email and the Anastasia girl was the one to ask him to come visit. She even met him at the airport in kiev and didnt use any of the agency services. Their age difference was only 4 years and as far i know they are happily married.

I hear many stories of scams but i am sure there are many success stories out there too. It is hard to say what is really the truth. I am not saying i fully support Anastasia, but for every scam out there, there is also the possiblity for success! OR am i wrong?

Everywhere you go there will be unsatisfied customers, doesnt matter what you buy or shop for. But there are many people who are happy with their selection too. From what ive read on the forums here if you choose the dating sites it helps to be prepared and always have a backup plan.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: russianbridereality on February 23, 2012, 01:42:52 PM
DON'T TRUST THIS COMPANY!
You should see what they did with a Valentine’s Day contest
Offer the women a new car for the ones who do the most live chat!
They pay girls to come to their parties!
Many of their profiles are totally phony!
They have company employees who answer the e-mails
The average rip off per man is about $300-$500 but it goes into the thousands!
check out this site for the girls   www.svadba.com/news.aspx
This company is not about love and romance, it’s just about money!

I also explain all the scam ways on my series of videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RussianBrideReality?ob=0&feature=results_main
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jack on February 23, 2012, 02:03:35 PM
Offer the women a new car for the ones who do the most live chat!


nooo     :o




They pay girls to come to their parties!


NOOOOOO


Many of their profiles are totally phony!


I can't believe this.


They have company employees who answer the e-mails


Nooooo  wayyyy      :-[


check out this site for the girls   www.svadba.com/news.aspx


but,....  but,...    that's   that's  my girlfriend!      You mean,   she,    she   doesn't really love me?       :(


Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on February 24, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
She does loves you Jack, its just that she also loves others, many, many others.......
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: LAman on February 24, 2012, 02:55:12 PM
She does loves you Jack, its just that she also loves others, many, many others.......

Does that include me hammer??  :o
 
After thinking about this FME......never will anastasia or other similar sites go away......they are bankrolled by keyboard romeos and lonely desparate guys...both enamored with pics.......
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: IAmZon on February 24, 2012, 03:17:28 PM

[size=78%]but,....  but,...    that's   that's  my girlfriend!      You mean,   she,    she   doesn't really love me?     [/size]
Quote

Ellas son muy complicadas


I love that statement, and it means much.  Complicada versus Descomplicada - that is the question
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: redstone on May 20, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
quick note. found out after wasted a bit of money that AD is a scam (mostly); so to get back at them, i pop online enough to get letters from woman-which i assume takes time and energy for the agency people to write; letters i don't read. so I figure once i get 1000 letters in my mailbox, AD will have wasted a fair amout of time. just a little bit of grey karma.

i'm sure there's a few genuine women on the site who get lost in all the money making.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: alex330 on May 20, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
quick note. found out after wasted a bit of money that AD is a scam (mostly); so to get back at them, i pop online enough to get letters from woman-which i assume takes time and energy for the agency people to write; letters i don't read. so I figure once i get 1000 letters in my mailbox, AD will have wasted a fair amout of time. just a little bit of grey karma.

The first letters are generic introduction emails sent automatically from the system. Thousands of guys get the same letter.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: IAmZon on May 22, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
A COLD SHOWER ...

These are businesses.  They target the lonely hearted and emotionally needy.  Sometimes, good men get tangled in the web ... but, we are all adults and must be responsible for our actions.  If it sounds too good to be true, it always is the case.

HOWEVER, I find myself with a woman who has had a profile on various web sites for a couple years.  She never has written the first letters, and occasionally has written letters back and done SKYPE calls without compensation.  She has met several foreigners that came to visit for the first visit, never for meeting #2.  She is one of the women that has pretty pictures and makes men feel like they are shopping for a puppy. She is not easily convinced and is not compromised. She is very aware that most men from agencies are problematic.  But, for me maybe the fairy tale is real?  Who am I do say ...

THERE ARE other women who are in compromised situations ( not enough basic necessities of life ).   These women will bargain for a better life, and perhaps have the best intentions in the beginning. But, such arrangements mostly do not work in the long run, when people are free to choose.  A well balanced, mature man knows what he is getting into, I think.  For those that cut the wrong deal, the bad is most on them IMO.

Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: erikmagenta on May 24, 2012, 10:46:19 AM
Again I am a little skeptical about the payment of girls for chatting. I would say that about 50% of the girls on the site don't like sexually explicit chat. If they are getting paid, what do they care?

I suppose in some cases girls are really busy when an man shows up, however they don't have ANY TIME for a meal with a guy who just flew 7,000 miles? Then some girls meet the guy but are strangely cold and uninterested. My guess is they thought they could go through with the deal, however finally are emotionally unable to.

Prostitution for a woman is basically rape for money. Why do you think women tend to turn to it only as a job of last resort and even then want a lot of money and even then may need the aid of drugs or alcohol?

This begs the question:  Are you attempting to have explicit sex talk with these women?  Do you really honestly think that a women who is looking for a husband wants a guy bringing that stuff up?  Why not just go online to many of the local chatlines if that is what you want??  What is your age, and what do you look like?  (no need to tell us, just look in the mirror and acknowledge the truth to yourself).  If you are 50 something, balding and overweight, and not wealthy then you are probably delusional.  If you are 35, in great shape, handsome and with a high paying job, than a 25 year old women would certainly want to meet you--providing you are respectable, which would mean NOT attempting to engage in sex talk!!

So what is the real story??  I think I have a pretty good idea about you--perhaps you do not have a good idea about yourself, and therefore you ask all of these questions which seem to have obvious answers??
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Badabing on May 24, 2012, 07:23:05 PM
I joined the infamous AnastasiaDate.com last year after seeing an ad online. Shortly after I signed in, I started receiving lots of messages from the "ladies". The fact I had to pay to read these messages was something that bothered me at first. So I did some online research and found a couple of forums and antiscam websites with negative comments. I remember reading a story of a member who went all the way to Odessa to find out the lady he had been exchanging emails for months, didn't know who he was the day they met. 
Additional to the messages, you can also get gifts with a short note. These gifts you can open and read for free. I saved this one. Read what the message says:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: erikmagenta on May 24, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
I joined the infamous AnastasiaDate.com last year after seeing an ad online. Shortly after I signed in, I started receiving lots of messages from the "ladies". The fact I had to pay to read these messages was something that bothered me at first. So I did some online research and found a couple of forums and antiscam websites with negative comments. I remember reading a story of a member who went all the way to Odessa to find out the lady he had been exchanging emails for months, didn't know who he was the day they met. 
Additional to the messages, you can also get gifts with a short note. These gifts you can open and read for free. I saved this one. Read what the message says:

That's friggen funny.  Now how did you do that--photoshop?  I seriously doubt one of the translators would have sent you that message--bad for business!!
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: newjason on May 24, 2012, 11:17:12 PM

I'm just trying to figure out, based on all available evidence, what exactly Anastasia really is.


First figure out,  based on all available evidence, what exactly Harrydubois is.

really how much do you want to believe that Anastasia is a porn site, with model prositutues, talking to you, and wanting a green card?
All the mean while, You miss the fact that you are spending on them with your (cc) green card and they are taking it because you willingly are giving it. That is what it REALLY is.

You claim to know how women feel about having sex for money, yet you are not even a woman.  Or are you?

I know for a fact that girls in ukraine (not all) get paid to chat on sites like that,  you know why they do it? Yes , it's for a green card, but this green card is the one in your wallet and you won't leave home without it, and you have to pay it back each month with interest.
They do it in Ukraine because they can get away with it. 

Other girls in other countries are not paid to chat and are there to actually use the service as intended, yet  we never hear boo about them now do we.

So based on the evidence...



Easy there FP. this guy gives me the impression that when he writes with the girls from AWeb, he uses one hand.

that pretty much sums it up.

Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Shadow on May 25, 2012, 01:07:02 AM
That's friggen funny.  Now how did you do that--photoshop?  I seriously doubt one of the translators would have sent you that message--bad for business!!
Its the Anastasia version of the Nigerian Government letter that says you are elected for fraud compensation.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Badabing on May 25, 2012, 09:08:52 AM
Now how did you do that--photoshop?

Itīs no photoshop, itīs a CTRL + PrintScreen. Her profile was gone the very next day :rules:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Hammer2722 on May 25, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
Maybe it was a disgruntled Anastasia employee getting in her last shot at the agency before quitting?  :clapping:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: TheTraveler on May 25, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
quick note. found out after wasted a bit of money that AD is a scam (mostly); so to get back at them, i pop online enough to get letters from woman-which i assume takes time and energy for the agency people to write; letters i don't read. so I figure once i get 1000 letters in my mailbox, AD will have wasted a fair amout of time. just a little bit of grey karma.

like alex330 said, those letters are probably computer-generated, anyway.
 
so why waste one more second of your time on AD?...  time that could be better spent doing something productive or enjoyable for yourself.
 
(basically, ask yourself if your time really worth so little.)
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Gator on May 25, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
Additional to the messages, you can also get gifts with a short note. These gifts you can open and read for free. I saved this one. Read what the message says:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
 
THAT IS A CLASSIC!   AND YOU SAVED IT.  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: JayH on June 12, 2012, 01:00:05 AM
"Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."

Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?

I think Anastasia doesn't want to (because of financial repercussions if exposed) and doesn't need to resort to that kind of scam.

I will take up this challenge--I can prove exactly this. You have made many ridiculous assertions in this thread-- so put your money where your mouth is.
I can proof of exactly what you deny-- precisely that profile photos are used that belong to a model-- and someone else does the chatting etc.
$5000 bet--10k id f you want it--make it worth the trouble!
Before you say-isolated instance-- be carefull--I have more than one.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: JayH on June 12, 2012, 01:05:11 AM
Reading the OP posts here -my guess--"Harry"   is actually Harriet  !! For the non English speakers-- "he" is a "she" !!
The assetions of rape,sexual assault,porn etc-- are all  pseudo radical female attitudes.

Either way--happy to take the money to prove who is correct.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: erikmagenta on June 12, 2012, 03:47:38 AM
Maybe so, but there are plenty of lonely ladies in the US however.

Yes, and obviously you are one of them aren't you "Harry"??? 
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jumper on June 23, 2012, 03:01:00 PM
Harry-
Quote
Some agency employee was writing you using a model's photo and name."Has anyone got proof of that? And what about when you are chatting with her and see her on the webcam? Also a hoax?I think Anastasia doesn't want to (because of financial repercussions if exposed) and doesn't need to resort to that kind of scam.

Harry- you can't seem to grasp the concept and separate Anastasia , from the local agency affiliates, that the girls chat through.
It is a very convenient business model that lets them easily distance themselves from what any given affiliate might be up to.
until you  comprehend the basics of the business model, the system you are trying to understand is going to be a challege to you.

It's  simple, The vid chat girls are PAID, period.you can be in denial all you want, that wont change the fact the earth is round and the moon orbits us.
The affiliate agency in UA does what it wants, and what anastasia or similar firms *likely* want, but the big agencies  have culpable deniability, and it works perfectly. The affiliates have several different biz models themselves,but a fairly general pattern of sham.

You also have a huge misunderstanding of what the majority of traffic is to the sites,
married men , and single or married men from cultures that could in effect never marry a RW.
when about 90% of revenue is from that source,and that source wont travel.
1. the girls don't need to sex chat and wont. there are other avenues for that if they are interested.
(asnd many an affiliate agency has their hands in that as well)

2. the other 10% just doesn't matter to theses big firms,  only as additional marketing.

3, women dont need or have any reason to worry about  men in general visiting , and often have boyfriends or husbands.

4, the rest of your side stories, can and do happen, but its the minority, and is pretty much off set by men who do travel that are just plasying the feild for fun and games also.
Its also in the  minority that a regular joe, sincerely looking towards marriage goes.

5, Some of the women can be looking for marriage, again its a minority.but likely out weighs the serious men looking, as odd as that may be in this basically  sham scenario..lol


also you fail to understand the at most local affiliates have the chat women signed up with several big sites, the women seldom know what parent site  the feed chat is coming in from. really.they have electronic translators in place in another window and chat several men at once if possible, its not as hard as you make it sound.If no one s logging in to them they answer the emails of  their various profiles.as part of their salary.

Mostly you are wasting your time and have been told that,
why defend a system you don't fully understand, never will until you get a lot more costly experience than you have ,  and  havn't been on the ground in ukraine to observe first hand?
defending it , simply comes off as an employee, or  justification for your actions of continuing to use those type agencies.
A huge percentage of those women have internet access at home or with a friend, they  *could* get in contact with you in normal ways if they wanted. They have good paying jobs, and wont screw that up for some random foreigner they have no intentions about that just happened to chat with them one day and became slightly enamored..
 :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: tfcrew on June 25, 2012, 06:27:43 PM
I noticed that the original poster [Harry] has not logged in here since last year.

Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Jumper on July 21, 2012, 02:54:21 PM
sure, but others reading can possibly gain some insight,regardless harry's return or not?




Anyway-


 I find it more than amusing that Anastasiadate openly advertises that they now have
Dasha Astafieva , a well known playboy playmate , listed with a profile,  and give her ID number so men can contact her.


Yes yes she is indeed Ukrainian ,and it certainly could be legit profile,just like all the other things that they have good culpable deniability over..lol




At least they are very open about the fantasy mindset they weave.


 ;D





Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: JayH on July 21, 2012, 06:21:15 PM
Do not like the title of thread at all.
Some girls are paid for photos-- models etc. Photos are bought and used-in some cases girl may or may not be aware of the circumstances of the use.Photos are bought thru agents,photographers etc. Some do videos also.
There are many variations to the the theme-- girls may or may not know or understand the web site issues. Basically the attitude is "guys choose to spend their money" and it is rationalised like that.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Chelseaboy on July 22, 2012, 02:26:32 AM
"Guys choose to spend their money " ,based on the deception operated by the Ukrainian local affiliates and their girls. :wallbash:
 
Ukraine is a dishonest culture..end of.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: JayH on July 22, 2012, 04:02:43 AM
"Guys choose to spend their money " ,based on the deception operated by the Ukrainian local affiliates and their girls. :wallbash:
 
Ukraine is a dishonest culture..end of.

I am not arguing that it is acceptable attitude at all--it is morally reprehensible what happens on these sites and that western companies can profit by it and escape the laws .
But-- it does not help to condemn all Ukrainians because of your personal exposure and negative experiences.
The words are used are words I have heard repeatedly by those that seek to justify  ripping off western men.
Title: Re: Are some Anastasia girls actually visa prostitutes??
Post by: Muckraker on July 26, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
I came across the following while reviewing the help wanted ads in the online Vladivostok classifieds - farpost.ru, thought it was interesting.
 
First here is a link for an employment ad for chat girls. 5-6 hours per day!

http://vladivostok.farpost.ru/14167898.html (http://vladivostok.farpost.ru/14167898.html)

If you Google the phone number from the ad, +7 994 004-36-86, you get a dating site ad also from farpost.ru:

http://vladivostok.farpost.ru/14184638.html (http://vladivostok.farpost.ru/14184638.html)

If you go to the site listed from the domain of the email address in this ad, "primdate.ru", you get an Anastasia International site. The local agency address is in Vladivostok.
 
www.primdate.ru (http://www.primdate.ru)
 
Muck